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biobaba vs ocean gossips (100%)

Jun 21st, 2015
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  1. Biobaba vs Ocean Gossips (100%)
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  3. === old and potentially inaccurate timings ============================================
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  5. Note: timings are not 100% accurate (and were done on gamecube which loses time to lag in some sections)
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  7. - enter biobaba grotto from entrance to WCT = 13.94s (this seems accurate)
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  9. - enter ocean gossip grotto from entrance to WCT = 8.6s
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  11. - hover from biobaba grotto = 38s, update: got under 36s with better set up for hover, got 34 with megaflip instead of bomb hover
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  13. - hover from ocean gossips = 35s, could probably be faster
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  15. - sonata hover w/ 2 chus = 16s
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  17. - 1 bomb sonata hover after getting caught = ~28s
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  19. - getting to bean grotto after getting caught = 20s
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  21. biobaba route = 14 + 38 + 28 - 3 (saves 2 mask transitions) 1m17s, 1m15s with update, 1m13s with megaflip
  22. ocean gossip route = 8 + 35 + 16 + 20 1m19s
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  24. Both are about the same speed and ocean gossips route have the advanantage that you can pick up 27r on the way to beans. However, biobaba route saves 2 mask transitions and thus is better if you are waiting for aliens and don't need the rupees.
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  28. Idea for 100% route 7.4 (ENG):
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  30. - get more precise comparison of both grottos
  31. - consider if beehive rupee + biobaba is worth doing
  32. - how long does it take to get beehive rupee?
  33. - extra gold dust dupe = 6s, maybe just do biobaba and 1 extra dupe? get mountain tingle maps during keg?
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  36. Strat for biobaba grotto hover:
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  38. - exit wct, super slide
  39. - cancel super slide, throw bomb over fence
  40. - enter grotto
  41. - hold directly down on control stick, do 1 roll
  42. - c-up to corner in wall, between the rock and the grass on the right
  43. - 1 bomb + 20 chus + 1 bomb (megaflip with this saves ~2s but isn't needed), backflip
  44. - backwalk to loading zone
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  46. How to compare:
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  48. What to time for biobaba route:
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  50. - time from WCT loading zone to entering magic bean grotto
  51. - time how long it takes to get from palace entrance to sonata loading zone (start as human)
  52. * time exiting magic bean grotto and getting caught as human
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  54. What to time for ocean gossips route:
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  56. - time form WCT loading zone to sonata loading zone
  57. - time how long it takes to get from palace entrance to magic bean grotto (start as deku)
  58. * time exiting magic bean grotto and getting caught as deku
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  60. Extra thing to consider:
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  62. - in ocean gossip route, you blow up the boulder which saves you from doing it later in the run
  63. - in biobaba route, you blow up the boulder, however, in ocean gossip route it may be fast/easy to blow up biobaba boulder while doing the damage boost to enter great bay
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