Negativity, Teams,, and Space

14:10	AnnaClaskovic	I'd be more open to talk about the gods but there's always retaliation or some kind of huge disagreement and passive aggressiveness that it brings, which is why I'm less confident to talk or even go near the godstuff anymore.
14:10	Isidora	I find that bullshitty. We're all friends here I thought we were above petty shit like that.
14:11	Sylum	Friends still argue and have different opinions
14:12	Isidora	Sitting back and just slinging negativity isn't getting anything done that's why we haven't had a proper story going on here for ages. Its just been short one offs that don't even get completed most of the time.
14:12	Isidora	and even then it isn't consistent
14:13	Isidora	people being aggressive over things other people are doing is why Chop is gone
14:23	Isidora	if people can't speak their mind about things because they fear passive aggressive bullshit what is the point
14:26	Wells	I dunno what to say that hasn't already been said
14:26	Isidora	I know what to say
14:26	Wells	There is no perfect way to fix things I suppose
14:27	Isidora	the best way to fix things is stop being pretentious cunts
14:27	Isidora	putting noses up to everything as if there's a standard not being met
14:27	Isidora	when we don't even fucking have anything set
14:27	Isidora	and accepting that as the way of things is no different than doing it
14:28	Wells	I guess we do have standards we don't even attempt to personally achieve
14:28	Isidora	y'know unless you like sitting around two hours going "hey guys we should do something" with a solid 2 ideas maybe brought up during that time both of them getting memed on or brushed off
14:29	Isidora	then half the people going to bed or playing video games
14:29	Wells	Putting down what we don't think will reach far, and ultimately putting down the idea of reaching far in general.
14:29	Isidora	then that is a night
14:29	Isidora	we definitely have standards and we don't even try to touch them
14:30	Wells	I've been coming to realize this lately as well.
14:30	Isidora	and usually that standard includes
14:30	Wells	Things are getting pretty patternlike
14:30	Isidora	"something run by me" in the thinker's head
14:30	Isidora	so it has to reach some high set standard we've never touched before and nobody explains
14:31	Isidora	and it has to be of direct gain to the self
14:31	Isidora	and newsflash we can't make every rp about one person, or make every rp about everybody
14:31	Isidora	because if its one person but there's a group? group is mad
14:31	Isidora	if its supposedly about everybody
14:32	Isidora	its MMO tier where nobody stands out especially as doing anything different, and everybody is competing to be the one that is different
14:32	Isidora	because everybody secretly wishes it'll be them
14:32	Isidora	and if it clearly doesn't fit then
14:32	Isidora	pfff nah that is too narrow
14:33	Wells	That's a pretty agreeable analysis
14:34	Isidora	I just want people to wing things y'know. Broader horizons. And if it doesn't fit them still, that's alright too
14:34	Isidora	we are a big group
14:34	Isidora	we can accommodate several things
14:34	Isidora	it isn't a DnD session where everybody shows up at once
14:37	Isidora	I'm also gonna get controversial
14:38	Isidora	the reason the xenon group got so much done when they weren't kicked out
14:38	Isidora	was that they had a solid base of knowing each other
14:38	Isidora	nobody ever is like
14:38	Isidora	hey Aegis hangout
14:38	Isidora	no its always bring random fuck who do you think works?
14:39	Isidora	the xenon foundation was totally toxic and made by heap, a fuckin madman
14:39	Isidora	but it at the very least allowed for a common basis for several stories to come out of for them
14:40	Isidora	we don't have common basis usually, we don't group people
14:40	Isidora	so everybody is their own story
14:40	Isidora	clashing with everybody else
14:40	Isidora	It isn't a team comic, things these days
14:40	Isidora	it is a crossover comic
14:41	Isidora	unrelated stories touching together
14:41	Wells	so group dynamic is dying
14:41	Isidora	and it isn't consistent either
14:41	Isidora	so you can't even have crossover storylines
14:42	Isidora	it is just "WHAT IF X AND Y MEET UP HERE" scrambled every time
14:42	Isidora	which makes GREAT foundation for a team to come out of, like when we tried kidvengers
14:42	Wells	And dad squad
14:42	Isidora	buuuuut does nothing but provide filler otherwise
14:42	Wells	possibly
14:42	Wells	Yeah
14:43	Wells	We don't intend anything too serious when it comes to that stuff
14:43	Wells	But they end up working
14:43	Wells	Ironic
14:43	Isidora	and if people aren't in an kind of grouping then people don't usually get invested in other people's characters
14:43	Isidora	I mean shit
14:43	Isidora	Anna has had more interaction with Isi than she has her own teammates
14:44	Sylum	So, how would you suggest fixing htis
14:44	Isidora	Fuckin'
14:44	Isidora	teams
14:44	Isidora	we need more of them
14:44	Isidora	What happened to round table
14:44	Isidora	kidvengers
14:44	Isidora	aegis
14:45	Isidora	jesus christ Evos looks like the only superhero team around because it at least has them showing up together
14:45	Isidora	When Prince and Goody and Haze were in the Irish rps they sparked conversations and had a ton of chemistry because they had some common basis
14:46	Wells	Evos looks like the only team really doing anything
14:46	Wells	But it's only ever handled by one person
14:46	Wells	And I agree teams will force cooperation
14:46	Wells	And main character syndrome will die a lot more
14:47	Wells	because everyone already has a place in a tem dynamic
14:47	Wells	not tagging along to see if they can get a shot in a random story
14:47	Isidora	Isi I probably would have dropped by now if it wasn't for cveta and drago existing, because even if she is predominantly solo there are other people with /common/ /basis/
14:48	Isidora	there's stories to be done
14:49	Isidora	I have always hoped people would like join up with SS and make androids or something. I added Symbol to Aegis because otherwise he'd just be loner kung fu man.
14:49	Sylum	No one ever seems to join stuff, Argon and Trance are just like, 2 or 3 people just having on character
14:50	Isidora	Argon and Trance are also
14:50	Isidora	mostly NPCs
14:50	Isidora	villain characters
14:50	Isidora	meant to be the focus to which people go against
14:50	Isidora	we haven't had a meeting of the argon heads
14:51	Isidora	trance meetings were briefly a thing but they tittered away
14:51	Isidora	the trance plot being sorta ignored alongside the irish one distresses me
14:52	Sylum	Well, the Trance invasion is actually almost ready
14:52	Sylum	But, its more of an attack then a full on invasion now
14:52	Isidora	we haven't even completed the dmitri rp
14:53	Sylum	I'm disheartened by that agreed
14:53	Wells	I realize now the things we sometimes criticize for lack of development are the way they are because we don't truly care to put a hand in them
14:54	Wells	Everything as far as I see it is fair game, and people who start things generally love other people's input
14:54	Wells	But we don't cuz,  don't fucking know
14:54	Wells	Maybe we're focused on character specific stuff that usually go nowhere
14:55	Isidora	like really I am tempted to say that the Bull RP is a thing strictly for the Round Table, as it might be a reason for them to band together in the first place
14:55	Isidora	taking all the knights and pseudo religious folk and setting them on a single journey
14:55	Isidora	having the ending be a moment that gives them a reason to stick together
14:56	Wells	They would probably be rather versed in history and know the enemy a lot more than others
14:56	Wells	I think we try to hard to make our heroes appropriate for the villains
14:56	Wells	When we could just make the villains more appropriate for the heroes
14:57	Wells	End up snowballing a bunch of people into something
14:57	Wells	And dynamic is shot
14:57	Isidora	like, bam, a bunch of historical protectors and religious scions get called together to take on the oldest threat in recorded history that stands to defy all they stand for
14:57	Isidora	at the end of it they probably get the tablet of destinies that they keep safe so it can't be used again
14:57	Isidora	become a proper team
14:58	Sylum	That sounds like a great idea
14:58	Isidora	Sinclair I've been DYING to have against a real team
14:58	Wells	May be wishful thinkng but I find it hard to not call that perfect
14:58	Isidora	like, I don't know I might have Aegis vs Sinclair sometime
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14:58	Isidora	classic heroes
14:58	Isidora	classic villains
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14:58	Isidora	no bullshit
14:59	Wells	Sinclair could very well fuck with Aegis for shits and giggles
14:59	Wells	He could start shit with Symbol's gang
14:59	Wells	Blackmail Wells
14:59	Isidora	he already knows Wells who at this point is
14:59	Isidora	basically the leader of Aegis
14:59	Isidora	like dude
14:59	Isidora	you are the leader piece of it
14:59	Wells	Maybe even something petty like hire Anna to work as eyecandy
15:00	Isidora	Yeah, screw with them and start building up a relationship back and forth
15:00	Wells	Same goes for other teams and villains
15:00	Isidora	like Doom MAINLY fucks with the Fantastic Four. He shows up to fuck with other people sometimes too so he ain't limited, but he has a very specific built up relationship with them and them alone
15:01	Wells	Rentavengers could have reoccurring conflicts with bug street toughs
15:01	Wells	Like Ronin or other gang leaders
15:02	Isidora	Yeah. Although rentavengers might need a bit of bolstering of ranks since Lanny doesn't show much.
15:02	Isidora	So if Bud ran it it'd be Ronin vs Oyu
15:02	Isidora	I honestly have tried to put people in every team
15:02	Wells	RIP Best Team 2014
15:03	Sylum	well, is it open to add to?
15:03	Wells	Yeah dude
15:03	Isidora	Oh of course
15:03	Wells	Dont ever think it's not
15:03	Wells	That seems like another problem
15:03	Sylum	I can probably have someone like Thomas or Punishment join if wanted
15:03	Wells	People thinking others don't want them involved in their shit
15:04	Isidora	Evos and Rentavengers being mainly one-two people is a problem that can be fixed
15:04	Isidora	Aegis already has a fairly sized bunch
15:04	Isidora	Round table everybody has a little something, or can make some for it
15:04	Wells	I'm trying to get my head in the game so GEIST can return
15:05	Isidora	Chimera is about to be molded into the police so law aligned heroes like Patriot and such, that can be a team
15:05	Sylum	I remember asking if Patriot could join the Regulators and was denied
15:06	Isidora	that was a long while ago back when the regulators were like
15:06	Isidora	some kind of proposed npc force
15:06	Sylum	Yeah
15:06	Sylum	as for Round table, either robot knight angle or King Golem being an enemy
15:07	Isidora	the Six Star System I have makes regulators more or less specialized commandos or metas working with the law
15:07	Sylum	if people are cool with the secon thing
15:07	Isidora	cool cowboy outfits encouraged but optional
15:07	Isidora	Every level of the Six Star System people can touch
15:07	Isidora	Police, SWAT, Buffers, Regulators, Commanders, and... okay maybe having US military leaders as options is a bit much
15:08	Isidora	that is NPC stuff
15:08	Isidora	but the rest is fair game
15:08	Isidora	and I've been hoping Haze adds Blackout to my SSS thing because they'd fit well, since he is reinvisioning them as an MGS specialist team with codenames and shit
15:09	Wells	that would be neato
15:09	Wells	Corruption could very well be an Aegis Enemy
15:09	Sylum	I am wanting to use Corruption more yes
15:10	Wells	I always intended Chloran to see an enemy in Chemist, but they both seem to be collecting dust.
15:10	Isidora	I feel like if we had an Argon team more would happen there
15:10	Wells	And Chloran is pretty independent
15:10	Sylum	Why Chemist?
15:10	Isidora	Chemist would be a great enemy for an Argon group, or peoples
15:11	Wells	Because disgusting drugs is something he's against as one so supportive of Nature.
15:11	Wells	And she would
15:11	Sylum	The Resisters
15:11	Isidora	and Bull I really don't even WANT to bring out for his arc until we see what life is like in Argon with him around
15:11	Wells	I was meaning on making an Argon Antihero
15:11	Sylum	bunch of people in Argon wanting to make it a better place for their kind, not a villian hideout
15:12	Isidora	Da.
15:13	Isidora	The eldritch lady I intended to start off in a story with Horizon, the dimensional fuckies
15:13	Isidora	but that is a one person show sooo far so hm
15:13	Isidora	nothing wrong with one person shows too, one on one stuff can be just as good as team stuff
15:14	Isidora	we have a SHIT ton of bad ayyys
15:14	Isidora	so PARSEC and spess people can work together on that
15:14	Sylum	speaking of them Purifiers are stilla thing
15:14	Sylum	just been a bit lazy and worried about how to run the rp
15:14	Isidora	like, PARSEC, Destinox, maybe the Veka lending a hand
15:15	Isidora	fair group of people to fight ayys
15:15	Wells	I've been developing a race in my notebooks, and thinking about it, how about a spacevengers group
15:15	Isidora	there's a lotta untapped potential
15:15	Wells	Like a group full of aliens
15:15	Sylum	spacevengers?
15:16	Wells	That just fuck around the milkyway
15:16	Isidora	a bunch of ayyys offworld doing ayy things
15:16	Sylum	so the Council done right? yes I would like that
15:16	Wells	Getting in fights with the council, fighting space terrorists, running from bounty hunters
15:16	Sylum	oh
15:16	Wells	Nah mang
15:16	Sylum	independent? thats also good
15:17	Isidora	independent, or maybe at least tolerated by council folks
15:17	Isidora	since they can't run everything
15:17	Wells	yeah exactly
15:17	Sylum	They're just a bunch of planets working together
15:17	Wells	Nah
15:17	Wells	I'm not thinking that big
15:18	Isidora	the guardians of the galaxy were just a bunch of space bumblefucks in a pirated ship
15:18	Sylum	no the council is
15:18	Wells	Yes
15:18	Wells	Oh
15:18	Wells	Yeah
15:18	Sylum	I'll work on the Council more after the Purifiers
15:18	Isidora	Like think on it like this this
15:18	Isidora	Nova is the council
15:18	Isidora	Guardians would be the spessvengers
15:19	Sylum	I dont know what Nova is
15:19	AnnaClaskovic	I had that deadzone space fight for material idea
15:19	Sylum	is Green Lanterns a better idea for it?
15:19	Sylum	I still like that idea
15:19	Isidora	Nova is green lanterns except less big dumb emotional energy rings
15:19	AnnaClaskovic	could incorporate that into it maybe
15:19	Isidora	and just
15:19	Isidora	SPACE POLICE
15:20	Sylum	and with Spacevengers lot more stuff can be done with it
15:20	Isidora
15:20	Isidora	Nova are guardians that came together by cooperating systems and so such
15:20	Sylum	is that a flying helmet
15:20	Isidora	Yes
15:21	Isidora	meanwhile the GoG are
15:21	AnnaClaskovic	space pirates
15:21	Isidora	space bumblefucks doing goodish deeds without much support behind them
15:21	Isidora	maybe get awarded as heroes for things
15:21	Isidora	after the fact
15:21	Isidora	Destinox would be on the Nova, he has the law telling him what to do
15:21	Isidora	GoG are bumblefucks I love that word
15:21	Wells	The race I was developing
15:22	Wells	I intended that one member of it sold out his species
15:22	Wells	And they all ultimately got fucked
15:22	Wells	Why or by who
15:22	Sylum	Destinox would be the type of guy to run off with the Spacevengers honestly, so I might work out a reason why he hasn't
15:23	Wells	I'll leave that up for arguement
15:23	Isidora	he always can
15:23	Isidora	like, part of him sticking with the spacevengers is that it keeps the council off his back
15:23	AnnaClaskovic	I have shroom guy
15:23	Isidora	 I've always had this unfinished drawing in the back
15:23	Isidora	he seems
15:23	Isidora	space villainy
15:24	Wells	I wanted there to be a female and male survivor, the male being an heir to the throne or some shit, but a giant reluctant pussy, the female being really enthusiastic about fighting people and bent on revenge.
15:24	Sylum	I have Angel bot who could also be Space Angel Bot
15:24	Wells	The female would be good for a space team
15:24	AnnaClaskovic	I kinda feel like I should redraw shroom guy
15:25	Wells	The male I wanted to throw on earth
15:25	Isidora	redrawing things is always fun
15:25	Wells	I ought to draw em. I ought to draw....
15:25	Wells	a lot of things...
15:25	Isidora	I am a lightly salted fries over the fact that I drew an amazon alien thing for nora
15:25	Isidora	and nothing will ever come of that drawing
15:25	Isidora	because nora suckssss
15:25	Sylum	use it for yourself
15:26	Wells	AMAZON
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15:26	Sylum	you drew it
15:26	Wells	ALIEN!?!?!?
15:26	Isidora
15:26	Isidora	ye
15:26	Wells	PHOTOGRAPHIC EVIDENCE T-
15:26	Wells	nice
15:26	Sylum	Damn
15:26	Wells	n-nice
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15:26	Destinox	Damn Nice
15:27	Wells
15:27	Isidora	When I drew it I imagined them as like, the opposite kind to the Emloa
15:27	Destinox	aww
15:27	Wells	>she's a prude
15:27	Wells	noice
15:27	Isidora	no
15:27	Isidora	not in that way
15:27	Destinox	Oh, good
15:27	Isidora	I mean in that they are similar in a lot of ways, but
15:28	Wells	oh she's the least synergistic speies around
15:28	Destinox	Honestly shes kinda sexier then the Emloa
15:28	Wells	Warmonger maybe?
15:28	Wells	Other aliens hate their guts
15:28	Wells	Savage fucks
15:28	Isidora	the Emloa are very peaceful nurturing types that love to take in people and bring them into their big empire of technology
15:28	Isidora	These shits
15:28	Isidora	Ka'arock they were called
15:28	Isidora	they are saiyan tier to other races, they appear to fuck things up
15:28	Wells	Want her to Ka'arock my world
15:28	Isidora	people who survive are probably slaves
15:29	Isidora	barbaric and constantly in conflict to the Emloa
15:29	Isidora	and yeah just get it out of the way
15:29	Isidora	they also have the
15:30	Isidora	reproductive synergy thing
15:30	Isidora	spacebutt "I can fuck whatever I want it'll come out my race" deal
15:30	Isidora	because I made them both to be cheesy aliens
15:30	Isidora	the kind that show up in star trek or something
15:32	Isidora	look at those rainbow space girls with maybe tiny hints of being a different species that happen to be compatible with humans
15:32	Isidora
15:32	Wells	Looks like a race of Star Platinums
15:32	Wells	And not the Part 3 star platinums
15:33	Wells	The starved as fuck Part 6 one
15:33	Isidora	http://vignette3.wikia.nocookie.net/jjba/images/0/06/Star_Platinum_The_World.png/revision/latest?cb=20150610162343
15:33	Isidora	you
15:33	Isidora	are not wrong
15:33	AnnaClaskovic	Can't draw with the mouse
15:33	Isidora	aww
15:34	AnnaClaskovic	I keep trying to draw
15:34	AnnaClaskovic	the mushroom head
15:34	AnnaClaskovic	but my wrist is weird
15:34	Wells	Emloa http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v343/Shyakugan_User/2-2.jpg~originalTITLE:
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15:34	AnnaClaskovic	and it becomes three times bigger than I originally intended it to be
15:35	Destinox
15:35	Destinox	I have too many unused ayys
15:36	Isidora	I always loved that one
15:36	Isidora	I always loved that one
15:37	Isidora	oh shit
15:37	Isidora	I didn't notice you posted several
15:38	Isidora	1st one my favorite but you are really good at drawing these like shit
15:38	Isidora	my ayys have just been discolored humans
15:38	Isidora	drawing these, like shit*
15:38	Isidora	that sounded insulting
15:38	Isidora	I am silly
15:39	Isidora	last one is especially pretty
15:39	Isidora	patterns
15:40	Destinox	The 3rd one I kinda have ideas for, a sister species to Destinox, two planets in the same orbit [dont care if that doesn't sound realistic] that went to war and can adapt to environments
15:40	Destinox	The last one had a lot of idea and backstory to her, that I dropped cause I went with Purifiers being my space bad and not Unimind
15:42	Isidora	I am admittedly not so good with non-human designs unless I have some kind of direction to go with.
15:42	Isidora	Veka, Emloa, that unfinished villain, ka'arok, all just sorta humans a little off
15:42	Isidora	these are different and solid
15:43	Destinox	Thanks
15:44	Isidora	side note new game looks pretty
15:45	Isidora	I honestly already have an idea for sinclair and aegis, I'd do it now or soon but I agreed to an AMP game saturday nights sooooo