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- Re: BBC News - US Marines identify 'urination' troops
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- Re: BBC News - US Marines identify 'urination' troops
- To: "ROBERT CAMACHO" <[email protected]>
- Subject: Re: BBC News - US Marines identify 'urination' troops
- From: "Don Greenlaw" <[email protected]>
- Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2012 13:01:29 -0800
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- Bob: I would add: "After proper behavior for
- a period of 90 days, remove the Letter
- of Reprimand from their file."
- I have seen this done.
- Semper fi,
- Don Greenlaw
- ----- Original Message -----
- From: ROBERT CAMACHO
- To: Jim Miles ; [email protected] ; Pat Dugan ; [email protected] ; Gen
- Ben Blaz ; Carl Peterson ; [email protected] ; Dave Sablan ;
- Sent: Monday, January 16, 2012 12:26 PM
- Subject: RE: BBC News - US Marines identify 'urination' troops
- I've received about 100 emails from various friends regarding this issue.
- You are right on many levels. . You and many other honored veterans would
- know what it is like to be shot at and the atrocities of war. I remember
- seeing the Washington Post journalist on an internet being beheaded and I
- can remember the deep anger and disgust I felt from this inhumane act. My
- vote is to give the marines a letter of reprimand, pat them on the back for
- great shooting and send them out to kill more terrorists.
- Bob
- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
- From: [email protected]
- Subject: RE: BBC News - US Marines identify 'urination' troops
- Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2012 14:14:18 -0600
- Bob - The Marines have a record of instilling fear/hatred in the enemy -
- The Japanese feared and hated the Marines in WWII and the same for the enemy
- in Korea and also in Vietnam - and I suspect the same can be said in
- Afghanistan and in Iraq. As far as hating us goes the terrorists, as well
- as most of our enemies, have always hated us whether we piss on them or not.
- What's important is we're making a big deal out of it - which only lends
- credence to an otherwise, minor, non-event. We need to save our outrage and
- scorn for an enemy that has a bad habit of torturing and beheading our
- troops as well as their own people and innocent victims worldwide - and
- spend less time worrying about upsetting the enemy. What we need to do is
- concentrate on killing the SOBs and destroying their potential to wage a
- cowardly war. Taking time out to beat up our Marines is what's counter
- productive. I haven't heard anything about the terrorists raising hell with
- their own over their cowardly, ragheaded, goat herders torturing and cutting
- off the heads of our troops. Have you? So the SOBs hate us? What's new? I
- suppose the bastards pulled off the 911 attack because they were fearful our
- troops might piss on them some day? Wake up! The Muslim terrorists are out
- to kill us infidels and destroy our way of life. Being nice to them isn't
- going to change a damn thing! The one thing they do respect is military
- force.
- Jim
- Col. Jim Miles TXSG Ret.
- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
- From: [email protected]
- Subject: RE: BBC News - US Marines identify 'urination' troops
- Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2012 15:02:19 +0000
- James,
- I'm sure if we analyzed all the official war files we would find the
- atrocities and violations of the Geneva Convention on both sides of the
- wire. I'm sure if we had to collect all the journals and personal letters
- of our soldiers to their loved ones during the past wars they would have
- shared a load of questionable behavior. From the Revolutionary War to the
- Operation Enduring Freedom soldiers have taken liberties, violating their
- code of ethics. I totally agree. In this day and age, every decision and
- action will be questioned by the media and tried in the court of public
- opinion. General Patton's goal was to instill fear in the enemy. And the
- it worked!! What these Marines did was inspire hatred and I'm sure it was
- counter productive in the overall scheme of the war against these terrorists
- once it hit the internet. It is a shame that those Marines will now be
- probably facing a general court marshal.
- Bob
- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
- Subject: RE: BBC News - US Marines identify 'urination' troops
- Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2012 09:37:03 -0500
- From: [email protected]
- Jim,
- I have to disagree.
- I don't have a problem with someone pissing on the enemy.
- I just don't think it's smart (in this day and age) to
- take a photo of your actions and put it on the internet.
- If you HAVE to piss on them. Do what you have to do,
- spread the word around town (tell everybody what you did), become a 'folk
- hero', but don't share it with the WORLD in a photo or on the internet.
- You know someone in the Press or someone in the Government
- or DoD will make this a major issue and come after you. I hear this photo
- identified two of the team members and I'm sure they will come up on some
- kind of charges.
- It's like the Abu Ghraib Prison incident. Pose for photos
- with the prisoners, have some fun, and do what you need to do, BUT don't put
- it on the internet. No/no one would have ever heard of that 'session' if
- they kept it off of the internet.
- Besides, when you get a 'head shot' from 500 yards take
- some photos, do a victory dance, but why do something that can be considered
- 'negative'.
- You know the deal – one 'aw shit' can wipe out 100 'at a
- boys'.
- Plus, let's focus on the kills and show that we are a
- superior fighting force, and we are killing their fighters at will.
- Don't give the Muslim world and all of the 'tree huggers'
- ammunition so they can speak negatively of our military and our service
- members.
- Why not/not a photo with the caption: "Marine sniper team
- inspects Taliban fighters that they'd just killed from 500 meters by single
- shots to the head".
- Don't feed the "propaganda machine".
- Feed their FEAR (US military can destroy the enemy with a
- single shot and the Taliban never knows what hits them or where the shot
- comes from).
- I think there is a good example of what I'm trying to say
- in the first Gulf War. When the US Air Force pilots strafed the convoy they
- destroyed all of the Iraqi vehicles. The Press showed the shot-out and
- burnt-out vehicles with their dead passengers in place 'shot-up' and
- 'burnt-up'.
- To me, that was victorious film footage. It showed how
- the superior US military destroyed the second rate Iraqi military formation
- destroying all of their vehicles and killing all of the their soldiers in
- one 'sortie' (attack).
- That was a WIN. That was WAR. That was a VICTORY.
- No/no one in the Press can change what happened.
- I don't think I ever heard any 'fall out' or criticism of
- the US military concerning that attack.
- I don't want to sound like a 'softy', but once upon a time
- the Press was patriotic, pro-military, and ON OUR SIDE.
- You could piss in the Rhine River. You could 'blow up' or
- 'pull down' a statue of the leader whose country you just 'overran'.
- You could take something 'special' from the battlefield
- that would look good in your team room, your headquarters or your unit's
- museum.
- However, today it appears that all of this good 'fun' and
- celebration of your victory on the battlefield has now become so 'negative'
- or 'anti-US military'.
- It's all part of that terrible thing called "Political
- Correctness".
- I say, beat them at their game. Do your job, kill the
- enemy, and focus on your victory and have the Press report the facts.
- Don't give them an opening where they could find 'fault'
- or something 'negative' to feed their anti-military agenda.
- As you mentioned, a Navy SEALs successfully completes his
- mission, does a great job, but someone will focus on him 'giving the enemy a
- fat lip'. Hell, beat his ass. Just do it where others can't see it
- happen.
- You also know that we have a Congressman who got into hot
- water over something that he did that benefited his soldiers in Iraq
- (shooting a round 'next' to the enemy fighter's head to 'scare the shit out
- of him' and get him to 'spill his guts' and give up valuable information).
- It made it to the Press and he took some major heat. I
- think he was relieved.
- Or, there was the Marine who raped a young girl in Okinawa
- and was sent to the Brig. A senior naval officer at PACOM Headquarters in
- Honolulu was quoted as saying something like, "that doesn't make sense, why
- didn't he just go downtown and pay for a hooker".
- I think that also got him relieved (for saying something
- many people may have been thinking).
- Hell, I see high school, college and professional football
- players being penalized for 'excessive celebration' after a touchdown. How
- is that possible. You should be proud to score on the opposing team. Like
- General Patton said in his speech, "America loves a winner".
- It's a different world, and we all have to adjust.
- NOTE: Whatever you choose to do in life (especially in
- this day and age) --- please understand that someone is using a cell phone
- or camera or some nearby security camera is recording your actions, and that
- 'proof' of your actions may be used against you in a court of law.
- Just my two cents.
- Jimmy
- This email is UNCLASSIFIED.
- From: James Miles [mailto:[email protected]]
- Sent: Thursday, January 12, 2012 5:18 PM
- To: Pat Dugan; Al and Shirley; [email protected]; [email protected];
- Subject: RE: BBC News - US Marines identify 'urination' troops
- What in the hell is going on here - since when is it such a big deal when
- our troops, Marines, piss on a few dead Taliban? These are the same bunch
- of sorry, goat herdering, AHs who don't wear a uniform, kill and torture
- their own people, and torture and behead our troops and we're supposed to be
- shocked and feel sorry because we pissed on the dead SOBs? YGTBSM! We
- should be cutting off a few heads ourselves while we're at it. Except for
- keeping a few alive for intell purposes I think we should take any prisoners
- we capture, line them up against the wall, and shoot the SOBs. They don't
- want to wear a military uniform with rank and patches that identify them
- then they should be treated accordingly.
- If we had a CinC in the WH with a pair of balls instead of a dipshit,
- Muslim/Marxist from Kenya we would have turned our troops loose early on to
- shot, bayonet, behead, bomb, blast with artillery, as many of the SOBs as
- they could - included going after them in Pakistan, Iran and any other place
- we could find the bastards. The damn war would have been over years ago.
- Instead of treating our Marines like criminals we should be passing out
- medals for killing the enemy.
- Gen. Patton made a big deal out of pissing in the Rhine River in the 3rd
- Army's drive into Nazi Germany. So did Winston Churchill. I wouldn't be
- surprised if Patton didn't piss on a few dead Germans, too. I'm sure there
- were dead Germans floating in the river at the time. I'll bet old Chesty
- Puller pissed on a few dead Japs in the Pacific during WWII. Unless we quit
- pussyfooting arond with these Afghan Muslim SOBs out to kill us and kill
- them instead they'll wind up burying us. Put my name on the list for not
- giving a rat's ass if our troops piss on a few dead Taliban. I say a job
- well done - keep it up! And for the Marines - Semper Fi troops from an old,
- Green Beret who did more than piss on a few dead VC and NVA duirng the
- Vietnam War.
- The mission of our military is to close with and destroy or capture the
- enemy - nothing has changed except the sorry AHs running the country and the
- military won't let the troops do their jobs anymore. They're more
- interested in turning the military into a bunch of faggots and lesbians and
- women who like to act like men and to hell with the mission, good order and
- discipline. I've lost track of the number of "Kangaroo" courts set up to
- stab our combat troops in the back - remember the Navy Seals who were
- brought up on charges for giving a terrorist a fat lip? When is the last
- time we've ever heard the word "Victory" from the leaders of the country?
- "Cut and Run" has made a comeback and plans are underway to cut the defense
- budget and gut the military while we're still fighting a war. What get me
- most is that the AHs in the WH and Congress are all upset about our troops
- pissing on a few dead Taliban while they're pissing on the entire military.
- In case there's anyone out there who disagrees with me I say politely,
- "Frankly my Dear I don't give a Damn!" To say it bluntly, "Up Yours!"
- Col. Jim Miles TXSG Ret.
- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
- From: [email protected]
- Subject: BBC News - US Marines identify 'urination' troops
- Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2012 14:52:47 -0600
- http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-16538159
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- Every damn day, I get more confused about this crap!!
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