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Re: BBC News - US Marines identify 'urination' troops


To: "ROBERT CAMACHO" &lt;bobcamacho@hotmail.com&gt;
Subject: Re: BBC News - US Marines identify 'urination' troops
From: "Don Greenlaw" &lt;dgreenlaw@cox.net&gt;
Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2012 13:01:29 -0800
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Bob: I would add: "After proper behavior for
       a period of 90 days, remove the Letter
       of Reprimand from their file."

       I have seen this done.

Semper fi,
Don Greenlaw
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 Sent: Monday, January 16, 2012 12:26 PM
 Subject: RE: BBC News - US Marines identify 'urination' troops


 I've received about 100 emails from various friends regarding this issue.
You are right on many levels. .  You and many other honored veterans would
know what it is like to be shot at and the atrocities of war.    I remember
seeing the Washington Post journalist on an internet being beheaded and I
can remember the deep anger and disgust I felt from this inhumane act.  My
vote is to give the marines a letter of reprimand, pat them on the back for
great shooting and send them out to kill more terrorists.


 Bob


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 Subject: RE: BBC News - US Marines identify 'urination' troops
 Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2012 14:14:18 -0600


 Bob - The Marines have a record of instilling fear/hatred in the enemy -
The Japanese feared and hated the Marines in WWII and the same for the enemy
in Korea and also in Vietnam - and I suspect the same can be said in
Afghanistan and in Iraq.  As far as hating us goes the terrorists, as well
as most of our enemies, have always hated us whether we piss on them or not.
What's important is we're making a big deal out of it - which only lends
credence to an otherwise, minor, non-event.  We need to save our outrage and
scorn for an enemy that has a bad habit of torturing and beheading our
troops as well as their own people and innocent victims worldwide - and
spend less time worrying about upsetting the enemy.  What we need to do is
concentrate on killing the SOBs and destroying their potential to wage a
cowardly war.  Taking time out to beat up our Marines is what's counter
productive.  I haven't heard anything about the terrorists raising hell with
their own over their cowardly, ragheaded, goat herders torturing and cutting
off the heads of our troops.  Have you?  So the SOBs hate us? What's new?  I
suppose the bastards pulled off the 911 attack because they were fearful our
troops might piss on them some day?  Wake up!  The Muslim terrorists are out
to kill us infidels and destroy our way of life.  Being nice to them isn't
going to change a damn thing! The one thing they do respect is military
force.

 Jim


 Col. Jim Miles TXSG Ret.


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 Subject: RE: BBC News - US Marines identify 'urination' troops
 Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2012 15:02:19 +0000


 James,

 I'm sure if we analyzed all the official war files we would find the
atrocities and violations of the Geneva Convention on both sides of the
wire.  I'm sure if we had to collect all the journals and personal letters
of our soldiers to their loved ones during the past wars they would have
shared a load of questionable behavior.   From the Revolutionary War to the
Operation Enduring Freedom soldiers have taken liberties, violating their
code of ethics.   I totally agree.  In this day and age, every decision and
action will be questioned by the media and tried in the court of public
opinion.   General Patton's goal was to instill fear in the enemy.  And the
it worked!!  What these Marines did was inspire hatred and I'm sure it was
counter productive in the overall scheme of the war against these terrorists
once it hit the internet.  It is a shame that those Marines will now be
probably facing a general court marshal.


 Bob


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 Subject: RE: BBC News - US Marines identify 'urination' troops
 Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2012 09:37:03 -0500
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 Jim,

                 I have to disagree.

                 I don't have a problem with someone pissing on the enemy.

                 I just don't  think it's smart (in this day and age) to
take a photo of your actions and put it on the internet.


                 If you HAVE to piss on them.  Do what you have to do,
spread the word around town (tell everybody what you did), become a 'folk
hero', but don't share it with the WORLD in a photo or on the internet.


                 You know someone in the Press or someone in the Government
or DoD will make this a major issue and come after you.  I hear this photo
identified two of the team members and I'm sure they will come up on some
kind of charges.


                 It's like the Abu Ghraib Prison incident.  Pose for photos
with the prisoners, have some fun, and do what you need to do, BUT don't put
it on the internet.   No/no one would have ever heard of that 'session' if
they kept it off of the internet.


                 Besides, when you get a 'head shot' from 500 yards take
some photos, do a victory dance, but why do something that can be considered
'negative'.


                 You know the deal &#x2013; one 'aw shit' can wipe out 100 'at a
boys'.


                 Plus, let's focus on the kills and show that we are a
superior fighting force, and we are killing their fighters at will.


                 Don't give the Muslim world and all of the 'tree huggers'
ammunition so they can speak negatively of our military and our service
members.


                 Why not/not a photo with the caption: "Marine sniper team
inspects Taliban fighters that they'd just killed from 500 meters by single
shots to the head".


                 Don't feed the "propaganda machine".

                 Feed their FEAR (US military can destroy the enemy with a
single shot and the Taliban never knows what hits them or where the shot
comes from).


                 I think there is a good example of what I'm trying to say
in the first Gulf War.  When the US Air Force pilots strafed the convoy they
destroyed all of the Iraqi vehicles.  The Press showed the shot-out and
burnt-out vehicles with their dead passengers in place 'shot-up' and
'burnt-up'.


                 To me, that was victorious film footage.  It showed how
the superior US military destroyed the second rate Iraqi military formation
destroying all of their vehicles and killing all of the their soldiers in
one 'sortie' (attack).


                 That was a WIN.  That was WAR.  That was a VICTORY.
No/no one in the Press can change what happened.


                 I don't think I ever heard any 'fall out' or criticism of
the US military concerning that attack.


                 I don't want to sound like a 'softy', but once upon a time
the Press was patriotic, pro-military, and ON OUR SIDE.


                 You could piss in the Rhine River.  You could 'blow up' or
'pull down' a statue of the leader whose country you just 'overran'.


                 You could take something 'special' from the battlefield
that would look good in your team room, your headquarters or your unit's
museum.


                 However, today it appears that all of this good 'fun' and
celebration of your victory on the battlefield has now become so 'negative'
or 'anti-US military'.


                 It's all part of that terrible thing called "Political
Correctness".


                 I say, beat them at their game.  Do your job, kill the
enemy, and focus on your victory and have the Press report the facts.


                 Don't give them an opening where they could find 'fault'
or something 'negative' to feed their anti-military agenda.


                 As you mentioned, a Navy SEALs successfully completes his
mission, does a great job, but someone will focus on him 'giving the enemy a
fat lip'.  Hell, beat his ass.   Just do it where others can't see it
happen.


                 You also know that we have a Congressman who got into hot
water over something that he did that benefited his soldiers in Iraq
(shooting a round 'next' to the enemy fighter's head to 'scare the shit out
of him' and get him to 'spill his guts' and give up valuable information).


                 It made it to the Press and he took some major heat.  I
think he was relieved.


                 Or, there was the Marine who raped a young girl in Okinawa
and was sent to the Brig.  A senior naval officer at PACOM Headquarters in
Honolulu was quoted as saying something like, "that doesn't make sense, why
didn't he just go downtown and pay for a hooker".


                 I think that also got him relieved (for saying something
many people may have been thinking).


                 Hell, I see high school, college and professional football
players being penalized for 'excessive celebration' after a touchdown.   How
is that possible.  You should be proud to score on the opposing team.   Like
General Patton said in his speech, "America loves a winner".


                 It's a different world, and we all have to adjust.


                 NOTE: Whatever you choose to do in life (especially in
this day and age) --- please understand that someone is using a cell phone
or camera or some nearby security camera is recording your actions, and that
'proof' of your actions may be used against you in a court of law.


                 Just my two cents.


 Jimmy


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 Subject: RE: BBC News - US Marines identify 'urination' troops


 What in the hell is going on here - since when is it such a big deal when
our troops, Marines, piss on a few dead Taliban?  These are the same bunch
of sorry, goat herdering, AHs who don't wear a uniform, kill and torture
their own people, and torture and behead our troops and we're supposed to be
shocked and feel sorry because we pissed on the dead SOBs?  YGTBSM!  We
should be cutting off a few heads ourselves while we're at it.  Except for
keeping a few alive for intell purposes I think we should take any prisoners
we capture, line them up against the wall, and shoot the SOBs.  They don't
want to wear a military uniform with rank and patches that identify them
then they should be treated accordingly.


 If we had a CinC in the WH with a pair of balls instead of a dipshit,
Muslim/Marxist from Kenya we would have turned our troops loose early on to
shot, bayonet, behead, bomb, blast with artillery, as many of the SOBs as
they could - included going after them in Pakistan, Iran and any other place
we could find the bastards.  The damn war would have been over years ago.
Instead of treating our Marines like criminals we should be passing out
medals for killing the enemy.


 Gen. Patton made a big deal out of pissing in the Rhine River in the 3rd
Army's drive into Nazi Germany.  So did Winston Churchill.  I wouldn't be
surprised if Patton didn't piss on a few dead Germans, too.  I'm sure there
were dead Germans floating in the river at the time.  I'll bet old Chesty
Puller pissed on a few dead Japs in the Pacific during WWII.  Unless we quit
pussyfooting arond with these Afghan Muslim SOBs out to kill us and kill
them instead they'll wind up burying us.  Put my name on the list for not
giving a rat's ass if our troops piss on a few dead Taliban.  I say a job
well done - keep it up!  And for the Marines - Semper Fi troops from an old,
Green Beret who did more than piss on a few dead VC and NVA duirng the
Vietnam War.


 The mission of our military is to close with and destroy or capture the
enemy - nothing has changed except the sorry AHs running the country and the
military won't let the troops do their jobs anymore.  They're more
interested in turning the military into a bunch of faggots and lesbians and
women who like to act like men and to hell with the mission, good order and
discipline. I've lost track of the number of "Kangaroo" courts set up to
stab our combat troops in the back - remember the Navy Seals who were
brought up on charges for giving a terrorist a fat lip?  When is the last
time we've ever heard the word "Victory" from the leaders of the country?
"Cut and Run" has made a comeback and plans are underway to cut the defense
budget and gut the military while we're still fighting a war.  What get me
most is that the AHs in the WH and Congress are all upset about our troops
pissing on a few dead Taliban while they're pissing on the entire military.
In case there's anyone out there who disagrees with me I say politely,
"Frankly my Dear I don't give a Damn!" To say it bluntly, "Up Yours!"


 Col. Jim Miles TXSG Ret.


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 Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2012 14:52:47 -0600

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