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November 8 1968 Lyndon Johnson and Everett Dirksen

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  1. A transcript supplement to the post "The Treason of Richard Nixon Part One" (http://italkyoubored.wordpress.com/2014/04/08/the-treason-of-richard-nixon-from-possibility-to-certainty/).
  2.  
  3. OPERATOR
  4. Senator.
  5.  
  6. DIRKSEN
  7. Hello?
  8.  
  9. JOHNSON
  10. Hello.
  11.  
  12. DIRKSEN
  13. Hello?
  14.  
  15. JOHNSON
  16. Yes?
  17.  
  18. DIRKSEN
  19. I talked to Dick this morning.
  20.  
  21. JOHNSON
  22. Yes Edward.
  23.  
  24. DIRKSEN
  25. He's coming to see you about this, at 1:30 is my understanding.
  26.  
  27. JOHNSON
  28. Yes?
  29.  
  30. DIRKSEN
  31. And, he has your background. Now, I hated the words. I said, it seems they sent some of their boys out to spy, and tell them to wait. So you'll know that he knows the story.
  32.  
  33. JOHNSON
  34. Well, what was his reaction?
  35.  
  36. DIRKSEN
  37. Well. He said he didn't send anybody. Well, maybe not. But maybe somebody else sent somebody. But-
  38.  
  39. JOHNSON
  40. What was his reaction to the request that he tell somebody to go on and get that Paris meeting?
  41.  
  42. DIRKSEN
  43. He didn't give me very much reaction. He just cindered a little by saying "We didn't do anything." Well, that may well be, but there a lot of those people in (inaudible). You'll know the kind of background that you have to talk to him to.
  44.  
  45. JOHNSON
  46. Well, now the point is this'll not going to wait till Monday. No no. Hell no. This'll go right now. Because if they don't go in there this week, we're just gonna have all kinds of problems.
  47.  
  48. DIRKSEN
  49. I thought from the arrangement that was made, coming up here on Monday, that'd be satisfactory.
  50.  
  51. JOHNSON
  52. No, I told you last night, I oughta, I thought I'd hear early this morning, cuz we want Thieu to get a message so he can get a delegation Saigon to Paris next week. We think we've held up just every day, we're killing men. We're killing men.
  53.  
  54. DIRKSEN
  55. This arrangement from Monday was made through Jim [Jim Jones].
  56.  
  57. JOHNSON
  58. Yes, he called. Jim's, his man talked to Jim Jones, said they were coming this way, and they'd be here Monday, so we told them, come in and have lunch. So, they're coming to lunch. But what I'm hoping, that he will do, I think it'd be better if he didn't have it direct from me, I think what he oughta do is just this simple thing: say "I have said I'm supporting our President." Now: he thinks that the South Vietnamese should be at that Paris conference. And I'm supporting that, that's my position. He oughta tell the Chennaults, and the rest of them, that by god, to get that word out there.
  59.  
  60. DIRKSEN
  61. He said he was going to Paris if you wanted him too.
  62.  
  63. JOHNSON
  64. No, I don't want any travels, all I wanna him do is to get to Paris, to get the delegation there. That's the way- Don't do me any good for me to go there, or him to go there. We just need the Saigon delegation. Because you can imagine what Thieu and Mansfield are going to have, if we've got a peace conference and this fellow won't even attend it.
  65.  
  66. DIRKSEN
  67. I do.
  68.  
  69. JOHNSON
  70. Now, what he does at that conference is another matter. We have told him we would not be for a coalition government, we told him we would not be for a recognizing the NLF, but he must go to the conference. Because we can't get him one vote in the Senate if he refuses to even talk.
  71.  
  72. DIRKSEN
  73. Well, I said that after he made the arrangements with Jim that you would've been informed by-
  74.  
  75. JOHNSON
  76. No no. He didn't mention this at all. I just told Jim to tell them. When he wanted to see me, I would be delighted to see them. But: that I had given you a message last night, that was urgent. That we're killing men every day, while they're sitting there doing nothing. Now if Saigon doesn't come to that meeting, I don't know what we'll have to do. Rusk is ready to brief Dick, if he wants briefing. But Saigon now thinks that they will play this out and keep this thing going on. Until January the twentieth. We think that's a mistake.
  77.  
  78. DIRKSEN
  79. I had to shop over all of hell's creation to find him. And all that got him here, well I guess it was a lot about (inaudible).
  80.  
  81. JOHNSON
  82. Well, you call him and you tell him that I think this is urgent enough that he should send word to the South Vietnamese, either through me or through them. If he wants to give me a message, I'll carry it, if he wants to go direct through the embassy, he can do it. I told him, I was gonna call you. And say, to them, that he supports the president and they should send a delegation there. And do it quick.
  83.  
  84. DIRKSEN
  85. I'll do my best.
  86.  
  87. JOHNSON
  88. Thank you.
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