[8/27/14, 7:04:27 PM] David | a DAMN PATRIOT: yo
[8/27/14, 7:43:17 PM] Markonius Porkbutte: yes?
[8/27/14, 7:46:30 PM] David | a DAMN PATRIOT: are you mad buddy
[8/27/14, 7:46:53 PM] Markonius Porkbutte: I am dude. I think you've been a massive dick the last few weeks to everyone.
[8/27/14, 7:47:26 PM] David | a DAMN PATRIOT: ok, could you tell me that instead of being passive aggressive please
[8/27/14, 7:48:21 PM] David | a DAMN PATRIOT: anyway, whatever
[8/27/14, 7:48:29 PM] David | a DAMN PATRIOT: please tell me what i've been doing that makes you upset
[8/27/14, 7:48:47 PM] David | a DAMN PATRIOT: i don't mean that to sound patronizing
[8/27/14, 7:48:55 PM] David | a DAMN PATRIOT: how have i been being a dick?
[8/27/14, 7:49:01 PM] Markonius Porkbutte: I feel like I ahve to be passive b/c I don't know what sets you off anymore.
[8/27/14, 7:49:32 PM] Markonius Porkbutte: baerhole, dmitrri being ceo of cof, leadership coming to you with honest questions about 20bil in isk being missing from corp wallet.
[8/27/14, 7:49:41 PM] Markonius Porkbutte: No one knows how you're going to respond anymore.
[8/27/14, 7:49:51 PM] Markonius Porkbutte: You've become a bit unpredictable.
[8/27/14, 7:49:56 PM] Markonius Porkbutte: And worrying.
[8/27/14, 7:50:02 PM] David | a DAMN PATRIOT: ...
[8/27/14, 7:50:04 PM] David | a DAMN PATRIOT: seriously?
[8/27/14, 7:50:07 PM] Markonius Porkbutte: yeah
[8/27/14, 7:50:16 PM] David | a DAMN PATRIOT: what did i say that is inconsistent with my past behavoir
[8/27/14, 7:50:59 PM] Markonius Porkbutte: It's not about what you say vs. how you act.
[8/27/14, 7:51:04 PM] Markonius Porkbutte: it's 100% how you act.
[8/27/14, 7:51:20 PM] David | a DAMN PATRIOT: ok what did i do that is ^^
[8/27/14, 7:52:26 PM] Markonius Porkbutte: I'm not going to fall into this trap of 'you did this and then that' and have you defend your actions points by point.
[8/27/14, 7:52:44 PM] David | a DAMN PATRIOT: well i'm not going to fall into this trap of you accusing me of stuff and not providing specifics
[8/27/14, 7:53:01 PM] David | a DAMN PATRIOT: as far as i know, i've always acted the same way within reasonable variability
[8/27/14, 7:53:13 PM] David | a DAMN PATRIOT: and if my behavior is concerning you i'd like to know what i need to change
[8/27/14, 7:53:30 PM] David | a DAMN PATRIOT: i can't do that if i don't know what i did wrong
[8/27/14, 7:53:33 PM] Markonius Porkbutte: So let's take yesterday's conversation for instance.
[8/27/14, 7:53:47 PM] Markonius Porkbutte: You had legit reasons for wanting to spend the money you did, I saw that, and I get it.
[8/27/14, 7:54:15 PM] David | a DAMN PATRIOT: (it was 7b not 20b btw just for context. i think that amount makes a difference)
[8/27/14, 7:54:38 PM] Markonius Porkbutte: But, you basically told your leadership dudes 'this is my corp i do what i want and don't have to answer to you.'
[8/27/14, 7:54:52 PM] Markonius Porkbutte: After they brought up some valid complaints regarding money missing from the wallet.
[8/27/14, 7:55:12 PM] David | a DAMN PATRIOT: yeah, that's always been the case
[8/27/14, 7:55:18 PM] David | a DAMN PATRIOT: dropbears isn't a democracy
[8/27/14, 7:55:40 PM] Markonius Porkbutte: It can't be your personal wallet though.
[8/27/14, 7:56:12 PM] David | a DAMN PATRIOT: but I think it's more fair that the attitude i expressed was "this is my corp i do what i want, and although I take your concerns under advisement, I have decided that my decision was correct"
[8/27/14, 7:56:48 PM] David | a DAMN PATRIOT: they were corp archons
[8/27/14, 7:57:14 PM] David | a DAMN PATRIOT: however, i've always treated dropbears funds as my own to manage
[8/27/14, 7:57:27 PM] David | a DAMN PATRIOT: because I did found the corp, and it is a dictatorship
[8/27/14, 7:57:49 PM] David | a DAMN PATRIOT: if people don't like the way i'm managing things or think i'm taking too much for myself, they can leave
[8/27/14, 7:58:07 PM] Markonius Porkbutte: Yeah but there's good dictatorships and bad dictatorships.
[8/27/14, 7:58:20 PM] David | a DAMN PATRIOT: yeah
[8/27/14, 7:58:26 PM] David | a DAMN PATRIOT: do you think i've abused the dropbears wallet?
[8/27/14, 7:58:30 PM] Markonius Porkbutte: Yes.
[8/27/14, 7:59:11 PM] David | a DAMN PATRIOT: why didn't you say something?
[8/27/14, 8:00:19 PM] Markonius Porkbutte: I don't feel it is my place. I've been gone for three weeks and haven't been in nova in over a month.
[8/27/14, 8:00:45 PM] Markonius Porkbutte: But i see the conversations and I know what goes on.
[8/27/14, 8:01:05 PM] Markonius Porkbutte: You have active leaderes
[8/27/14, 8:01:09 PM] Markonius Porkbutte: who are telling you things
[8/27/14, 8:01:13 PM] Markonius Porkbutte: and you're not listening to them.
[8/27/14, 8:01:40 PM] David | a DAMN PATRIOT: what things besides the recent isk kerfuffle, which I feel was resolved satisfactorily, and didn't involve me using funds for personal stuff
[8/27/14, 8:02:10 PM] Markonius Porkbutte: You've emptied the wallet like this in the past.
[8/27/14, 8:02:28 PM] Markonius Porkbutte: I heard about it from thandion and bart when it happened.
[8/27/14, 8:02:41 PM] David | a DAMN PATRIOT: and nobody had the stones to speak up?
[8/27/14, 8:02:49 PM] Markonius Porkbutte: I imagined they did speak up.
[8/27/14, 8:03:04 PM] David | a DAMN PATRIOT: nope
[8/27/14, 8:03:32 PM] David | a DAMN PATRIOT: and, idk what they told you, but i've never taken a large amount of funds from corp wallet for personal use
[8/27/14, 8:03:36 PM] David | a DAMN PATRIOT: besides my standard, which is plex
[8/27/14, 8:03:54 PM] David | a DAMN PATRIOT: and the occasional couple hundred mil when i have an emtpy character account and need to buy something
[8/27/14, 8:06:08 PM] Markonius Porkbutte: Again, I don't want to go point by point. I'm sure we all do some digging and find what we're looking for. Me personally, I don't like how you treat your subordinates and I don't think it should up to someone to 'come forward' and tell you that you are being a dick when it should be just common courtesy.
[8/27/14, 8:06:18 PM] Markonius Porkbutte: I love you and respec tthe shit out of you.
[8/27/14, 8:06:25 PM] Markonius Porkbutte: We've had good times and I've always had your back.
[8/27/14, 8:06:30 PM] Markonius Porkbutte: But you've changed.
[8/27/14, 8:06:44 PM] David | a DAMN PATRIOT: well that's the problem man
[8/27/14, 8:06:52 PM] David | a DAMN PATRIOT: we have to go point by point, or i don't know HOW i've changed in your eyes
[8/27/14, 8:06:58 PM] David | a DAMN PATRIOT: maybe not incidents
[8/27/14, 8:07:05 PM] David | a DAMN PATRIOT: how about in general
[8/27/14, 8:07:12 PM] David | a DAMN PATRIOT: how have i changed and how can i fix it
[8/27/14, 8:07:44 PM] Markonius Porkbutte: Well, I think it happened sometime between moving out of valhalla and moving into C6 space.
[8/27/14, 8:08:04 PM] Markonius Porkbutte: You seemed happy in valhalla
[8/27/14, 8:08:15 PM] Markonius Porkbutte: we were making money, doing fights, having fun.
[8/27/14, 8:08:31 PM] Markonius Porkbutte: We moved into C6 space, then into NOVA and it was like everything became super serious.
[8/27/14, 8:08:37 PM] Markonius Porkbutte: You became super serious.
[8/27/14, 8:08:47 PM] David | a DAMN PATRIOT: really? huh
[8/27/14, 8:08:53 PM] Markonius Porkbutte: Maybe it was being in the overlord community
[8/27/14, 8:08:59 PM] Markonius Porkbutte: there's some real dicks in there.
[8/27/14, 8:09:02 PM] Markonius Porkbutte: maybe they rubbed off.
[8/27/14, 8:09:09 PM] David | a DAMN PATRIOT: that's definitely not it lol
[8/27/14, 8:09:35 PM] Markonius Porkbutte: But around the time we started doing joint ops with rag was when you started being shorter tempered, unfun, and condescending towards your subordinates.
[8/27/14, 8:09:35 PM] David | a DAMN PATRIOT: i don't identify with them in particular, and they aren't actually that bad
[8/27/14, 8:09:38 PM] David | a DAMN PATRIOT: but continue
[8/27/14, 8:09:50 PM] David | a DAMN PATRIOT: ok
[8/27/14, 8:09:52 PM] David | a DAMN PATRIOT: huh
[8/27/14, 8:10:09 PM] David | a DAMN PATRIOT: maybe because i have/had a lot more people to deal with?
[8/27/14, 8:10:55 PM] Markonius Porkbutte: it was like we went from being a fun, somewhat better than average corp in brave, to an excellent well oiled fighting machine with a strong personality in the center and anything that deviated couldn't fit.
[8/27/14, 8:11:34 PM] Markonius Porkbutte: A good dictator rewards and nurtures his underlings
[8/27/14, 8:11:50 PM] Markonius Porkbutte: A bad dictator blaims them.
[8/27/14, 8:12:20 PM] David | a DAMN PATRIOT: i feel like i've rewarded and nurtured as much as i can
[8/27/14, 8:12:45 PM] Markonius Porkbutte: You certainly have given me a lot of opportunities and I'm thankful for that.
[8/27/14, 8:12:54 PM] Markonius Porkbutte: And you genuinely do care about newbies.
[8/27/14, 8:13:06 PM] Markonius Porkbutte: But it's like there's this other side of you that gives 0 fucks.
[8/27/14, 8:13:19 PM] Markonius Porkbutte: and shits on everything in its path.
[8/27/14, 8:13:33 PM] Markonius Porkbutte: including people who are just tryig to do the right thing.
[8/27/14, 8:13:54 PM] Markonius Porkbutte: (like rename baerhole moshpit in order to smooth over relations with DO and get them onboard so we can pass a council vote)
[8/27/14, 8:15:00 PM] David | a DAMN PATRIOT: i definitely stand my ground on certain things i feel strongly about
[8/27/14, 8:15:21 PM] David | a DAMN PATRIOT: and nobody's patience is infinite so i've definitely bitched out some newbies who needed teaching not yelling
[8/27/14, 8:16:20 PM] David | a DAMN PATRIOT: do you feel like this is a general all the time attitude problem or is it more strongly linked to events like that
[8/27/14, 8:17:17 PM] Markonius Porkbutte: 6 months ago i would say it was an occasional thing but now I want to say it's almost always going on.
[8/27/14, 8:18:00 PM] Markonius Porkbutte: Like pushing xenos's buttons was starting to become an embarrassment but you kept doing it.
[8/27/14, 8:18:08 PM] Markonius Porkbutte: you'd won a long time ago
[8/27/14, 8:19:07 PM] David | a DAMN PATRIOT: oh ok so you mean in the larger context rather than just directed towards bears?
[8/27/14, 8:19:16 PM] Markonius Porkbutte: yes
[8/27/14, 8:19:18 PM] Markonius Porkbutte: everywhere
[8/27/14, 8:19:29 PM] David | a DAMN PATRIOT: lol well, that i can understand and agree with hahaha
[8/27/14, 8:19:58 PM] Markonius Porkbutte: how did it get that way?
[8/27/14, 8:21:47 PM] David | a DAMN PATRIOT: idk man, i've always been one to speak my mind, even if it gets in the way of diplomacy
[8/27/14, 8:22:11 PM] David | a DAMN PATRIOT: it's definitely something that i noticed increasing severely at one point, culminating in that xenos t3 thread
[8/27/14, 8:22:38 PM] David | a DAMN PATRIOT: since then i've tried to moderate it a lot, and within the brave community/subreddit i had thought i'd done a fair job
[8/27/14, 8:23:05 PM] Markonius Porkbutte: you've done a good job since then, yes, i'll give you that.
[8/27/14, 8:24:48 PM] Markonius Porkbutte: being more diplomatic with your admin team would be another start. Their issue wasn't that you took x amount of isk out of the corp wallet but that they were planning on doing payouts with it so you kinda jolted their plans.
[8/27/14, 8:26:25 PM] Markonius Porkbutte: i'm sure if you had sent them a message and been like, i took x isk to buy x,y,z no one would've said anything but 'i guess we need to figure out payouts.'
[8/27/14, 8:26:31 PM] Markonius Porkbutte: but people thought we'd bee robbed
[8/27/14, 8:26:38 PM] Markonius Porkbutte: and when they found out it was just patriot being patriot
[8/27/14, 8:26:46 PM] Markonius Porkbutte: there were feels
[8/27/14, 8:27:31 PM] David | a DAMN PATRIOT: i mean, i explained the missing isk literally a half hour on skype after it was first brought up
[8/27/14, 8:27:48 PM] David | a DAMN PATRIOT: but yeah i understand what happened and i feel like it was resolved?
[8/27/14, 8:28:10 PM] Markonius Porkbutte: it isn't though and that's what I mean by you being unpredictable at the very beginning.
[8/27/14, 8:28:31 PM] Markonius Porkbutte: like // tough shit // if it happens again? // it's my corp.
[8/27/14, 8:28:43 PM] Markonius Porkbutte: that was your resolution.
[8/27/14, 8:29:18 PM] David | a DAMN PATRIOT: i feel like i was nicer about it then that
[8/27/14, 8:29:33 PM] David | a DAMN PATRIOT: but ultimately it is my corp and it is my call, is it not?
[8/27/14, 8:31:57 PM] Markonius Porkbutte: You can make that call all day.
[8/27/14, 8:32:02 PM] Markonius Porkbutte: But what is a leader without followers?
[8/27/14, 8:32:11 PM] Markonius Porkbutte: It's a dude taking a walk.
[8/27/14, 8:32:28 PM] David | a DAMN PATRIOT: i know that
[8/27/14, 8:32:32 PM] David | a DAMN PATRIOT: which is why I didn't say
[8/27/14, 8:32:36 PM] David | a DAMN PATRIOT: tough shit, it's my corp
[8/27/14, 8:33:06 PM] David | a DAMN PATRIOT: i said, ok, i hear you and understand you, thanks for your input, on this one i'm not going to change my mind, but i'll be happy to communicate better and thanks for bringing it up
[8/27/14, 8:33:32 PM] David | a DAMN PATRIOT: i was going for a very friendly cooperative tone as much as i could, did that not come across?
[8/27/14, 8:38:21 PM] Markonius Porkbutte: I don't think you were hearing them.
[8/27/14, 8:38:48 PM] Markonius Porkbutte: They were telling you that the way they've been running payouts/jew fleets has upped participation in bears greatly.
[8/27/14, 8:39:18 PM] Markonius Porkbutte: while it was well and good to get paid once a month back when we were in valhalla we had a fairly small core of people.
[8/27/14, 8:39:22 PM] Markonius Porkbutte: and it stayed small
[8/27/14, 8:39:31 PM] Markonius Porkbutte: we burned through a lot of people back then
[8/27/14, 8:39:38 PM] Markonius Porkbutte: we've grown a ton
[8/27/14, 8:39:46 PM] Markonius Porkbutte: and things like payouts have to flow
[8/27/14, 8:39:58 PM] Markonius Porkbutte: and while you have the power to mess with that
[8/27/14, 8:40:10 PM] Markonius Porkbutte: doesn't mean it's right.
[8/27/14, 8:40:30 PM] David | a DAMN PATRIOT: see this is what i was talking about when i said, i know what i'm doing
[8/27/14, 8:40:36 PM] David | a DAMN PATRIOT: i understand all of that and i'm not an idiot
[8/27/14, 8:41:02 PM] Markonius Porkbutte: then why don't you say, 'guys there's cheap caps within jump range of the hole let's go get them.'
[8/27/14, 8:41:30 PM] David | a DAMN PATRIOT: because nobody was online...
[8/27/14, 8:41:42 PM] Markonius Porkbutte: Bob giveth and Bob taketh
[8/27/14, 8:41:47 PM] Markonius Porkbutte: i get it
[8/27/14, 8:41:52 PM] David | a DAMN PATRIOT: besides, i agreed that communication is something i can work on
[8/27/14, 8:42:22 PM] David | a DAMN PATRIOT: if i understand correctly, the main thing you feel wasn't resolved is that you still disagree with my decision and you think i didn't understand their concerns
[8/27/14, 8:42:50 PM] Markonius Porkbutte: Yes.
[8/27/14, 8:43:17 PM] Markonius Porkbutte: it's quite possible you understand the concerns but again, this isn't the first time this has happened, and I'm sure it won't be the last.
[8/27/14, 8:43:46 PM] David | a DAMN PATRIOT: no it probably won't be the last, if we don't jew enough
[8/27/14, 8:44:11 PM] David | a DAMN PATRIOT: here, let me explain the details of my thought process
[8/27/14, 8:44:54 PM] David | a DAMN PATRIOT: the importance of having extra archons in the hole for jewing and pvp in case we lose the only corp one we have justifies delaying payouts for 2-3 days, which is the number of jew days it will take for the corp share to pay back the payouts which are due
[8/27/14, 8:45:08 PM] David | a DAMN PATRIOT: and the timing is right because bob hath severly giveth
[8/27/14, 8:51:39 PM] Markonius Porkbutte: I know. But you need to present some kind of solution moving forward for how you vision dropbears operating. Right now, it's 'jew, jew, jew' followed by meaningless pvp fights with the occasional high value target.
[8/27/14, 8:52:04 PM] Markonius Porkbutte: Like the rus narrative was great
[8/27/14, 8:52:18 PM] Markonius Porkbutte: there needs to be something to work for or aim towards
[8/27/14, 8:52:30 PM] Markonius Porkbutte: or else you'll keep getting people overly pissed off about internal situations.
[8/27/14, 8:52:42 PM] David | a DAMN PATRIOT: i feel like you're projecting on this one
[8/27/14, 8:53:33 PM] David | a DAMN PATRIOT: On 8/27/14, at 8:51 PM, Markonius Porkbutte wrote:
> 'jew, jew, jew' followed by meaningless pvp fights with the occasional high value target.
is literally what all c6 corps do
[8/27/14, 8:53:49 PM] David | a DAMN PATRIOT: that's basically what being wormholers is about
[8/27/14, 8:54:18 PM] David | a DAMN PATRIOT: the current narrative, which we (leadership) has discussed repeatedly, and i've said publicly although not in a mail or other published medium, is
[8/27/14, 8:54:34 PM] David | a DAMN PATRIOT: dropbears has big cock, everyone get bigger cock so our cock is collectively bigger, and we'll go around fucking everything
[8/27/14, 8:55:13 PM] Markonius Porkbutte: yeah but if you fuck too much you might get aids
[8/27/14, 8:56:13 PM] David | a DAMN PATRIOT: idk what you mean by that
[8/27/14, 9:04:44 PM] Markonius Porkbutte: I think guys want something more.