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ATS Members have flagged this thread 79 times Topic started on 18-12-2012 @ 09:26 AM by UltraMarine
By Gordon Duff [Marine Vietnam veteran, a combat infantryman, and Senior Editor at Veterans Today]
Date : Tue Dec 18, 2012

Michael Harris, former Republican candidate for governor of Arizona and GOP campaign finance chairman, in an internationally televised news broadcast, said Israel killed the children in CT to teach America a lesson . He said this was a revenge against the US and President Obama .

Israel believes the US “threw them under the bus,” particularly after the recent Gaza war, allowing Israel to be humiliated in the United Nations.Their response was to stage a terror attack, targeting America in the most hideous and brutal way possible


One three star general is quoted as saying, “Harris hit the nail right on the head and it is about time someone spoke up.”


Is Harris right? Is this a terrorist attack ? Would Israel carry out such hideous act ?

Full story : Link

Was “lone gunman” Adam Lanza a “patsy,” the same word Lee Harvey Oswald used to describe himself before being “silenced” in November 1963?



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reply posted on 18-12-2012 @ 09:29 AM by Stormdancer777
OH NO,

Really?

An attempt to vilify Israel, no wonder so many people have this illogical hatred for Jews and Israel, this is just hate/fear mongering.


reply posted on 18-12-2012 @ 09:30 AM by snewpers
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Sorry can't answer any of the questions,
wasn't there.

Ps. Any thoughts/comments of your own?
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reply posted on 18-12-2012 @ 09:35 AM by Doom and Gloom
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Israel part aside do you not find all of the other questions valid? Do you honestly see Israel and dismiss everything else out of hand??? REALLY??


reply posted on 18-12-2012 @ 09:36 AM by Chrisfishenstein
reply to post by UltraMarine


I think something very interesting with what you have posted here.....Or shall I say the most interesting part is the kids saying they saw a man pinned to the ground with handcuffs on??

Why would a kid lie about this??

This smells like a coverup to me.......Don't know how yet, but I am sure the ATS community will find it sooner rather than later.......MSM surely isn't going to tell us!! That is 1 thing that is for certain!!


reply posted on 18-12-2012 @ 09:36 AM by Stormdancer777
This Michael Harris,?

Now I get the picture.

Thar he blows! Neo-Nazi J.T. Ready spouts off, as Republican Mike Harris looks on
blogs.phoenixnewtimes.com...


reply posted on 18-12-2012 @ 09:39 AM by Meekbot2000
the premise of isreali gunmen commiting the crime is unsubstantiated but the questions asked are very logical. Child witnesses are some of the most reliable there are. they dont have motives, they just see literally what they see.


reply posted on 18-12-2012 @ 09:39 AM by tothetenthpower
Urgh..

Now there are plenty of things I would not put past Israel and Mossad on the other side of the world. However in this case...come on?

Just..un-screw the tin foil hat and move on.

~Tenth


reply posted on 18-12-2012 @ 09:39 AM by Stormdancer777
Mike Harris' Neo-Nazi Dalliance: Photos, Screenshots, Video
blogs.phoenixnewtimes.com...


reply posted on 18-12-2012 @ 09:43 AM by stirling
The USS Liberty event or the Lavon affair
and other incidents in the past have shown Israelis capable of atrocities of this nature done for political purposes.....
The US goverment is equally guilty of the same tactics......
The scenario is indeed plausible but i am wondering about the motive...perhaps revenge is not the totality of the motive.....





reply posted on 18-12-2012 @ 09:45 AM by fiftyfifty
I think it's disrespectful to begin with conspiracies relating to something like this before the investigation is even complete. Watching this on the news from across the pond, it is horrifying to know that someone walked into a school and shot dead dozens of innocent children and teachers. My wife is a primary school teacher and I can't even bear to think about how it would feel for something like that to happen to her and her class.

Using this as an agenda to vilify Israel is a disgrace. If the above questions do genuinely need answering, then so be it but nothing points to it being an Israeli attack. It is likely a case of confused and mixed reports in a frantic moment of trying to prevent more deaths and ensuring there were not multiple attackers.

My thoughts are with the families affected by this heinous crime and I will wait for the outcome of the investigation before even considering anything clandestine took place here.


reply posted on 18-12-2012 @ 09:47 AM by TXRabbit
I'd like to buy this Mike Harris a drink. A nice, tall glass of antifreeze
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reply posted on 18-12-2012 @ 09:49 AM by Josephus
I imagine Harris has the "Protocols of the Elders of Zion" on his nightstand. This seems ridiculous.


reply posted on 18-12-2012 @ 09:53 AM by Josephus
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Oh gee I wonder if he's biased? Thank you.

Ridiculousness confirmed.


reply posted on 18-12-2012 @ 09:58 AM by Bilk22
Originally posted by tothetenthpower
Urgh..

Now there are plenty of things I would not put past Israel and Mossad on the other side of the world. However in this case...come on?

Just..un-screw the tin foil hat and move on.

~Tenth


I'm not wearing a tin foil hat and this makes the more sense than a 20 year old, shy autistic kid going rambo in a school he had no connection to.

The Mossad messed up and that why this kid had the wrong ID planted on him. His brother was the one with the anarchistic views. They grab this kid thinking it was him and planted the wrong ID on his dead body. This is the only thing that makes sense.


reply posted on 18-12-2012 @ 10:09 AM by whatsecret
Why would Israel......? But then again why would anybody..

I don't know if Harris has a reason for saying it [besides that he really doesn't like Israel], but the media did a great job confusing the crap out of everybody with all the inconsistency.


reply posted on 18-12-2012 @ 10:12 AM by Bilk22
Originally posted by whatsecret
Why would Israel......? But then again why would anybody..

I don't know if Harris has a reason for saying it [besides that he really doesn't like Israel], but the media did a great job confusing the crap out of everybody with all the inconsistency.


And who owns the media? When Fox News agrees with the left, then you know something is up. Who owns Fox News? This stinks all the way around.


reply posted on 18-12-2012 @ 10:14 AM by Todzer
I myself do not back Israel or approve of anything that they do but to say they had a hand in this is a bit over the top..... A mentally unstable person caused this and yes there is a LOT of evidence that doesn't add up and more questions than answers but this time I don't think it can be blamed on Israel.... Never thought I'd hear myself say that
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reply posted on 18-12-2012 @ 10:16 AM by Tardacus
The medical examiner asserts that all wounds were caused by a rifle or other long weapon, and police/FBI say that the school was littered with 223 (rifle) casings. However, Adam Lanza was found dead at the school with only handguns - a rifle was found in the trunk of his car. Then he could not have possibly been firing the rifle, and could not have committed the murders. Who did then?


According to the official story, Adam Lanza was found with his older brother’s ID, and it was not stolen. However, older brother Ryan - whom officials say is very cooperative - claims not to have even seen his brother since 2010. Where would Adam get this ID? And why does such use not qualify as a theft?


I wonder how they are going to explain these two things?


reply posted on 18-12-2012 @ 10:19 AM by Bilk22
Originally posted by Tardacus
The medical examiner asserts that all wounds were caused by a rifle or other long weapon, and police/FBI say that the school was littered with 223 (rifle) casings. However, Adam Lanza was found dead at the school with only handguns - a rifle was found in the trunk of his car. Then he could not have possibly been firing the rifle, and could not have committed the murders. Who did then?


According to the official story, Adam Lanza was found with his older brother’s ID, and it was not stolen. However, older brother Ryan - whom officials say is very cooperative - claims not to have even seen his brother since 2010. Where would Adam get this ID? And why does such use not qualify as a theft?


I wonder how they are going to explain these two things?


They won't have to. They'll just change the report and silence the ME. Then they'll claim he was misquoted. This stinks and we all know it.


reply posted on 18-12-2012 @ 10:20 AM by redshoes
I Dont buy the israeli thing at all, I would imagine that if they wanted to attack the US, they would make some attempt to make it look like a Palestinian action.

Ok some possible plausable answers to the questions raised by the OP...

"According to the official story, Adam Lanza was found with his older brother’s ID, and it was not stolen." Possible the ID in question was an expired one, or one kept in his mother's house for safe keeping?

"According to the official story, Adam Lanza was wearing a black outfit with a mask and bulletproof vest. Why would he want to hide his identity, and why would he wear a bulletproof vest if he planned to kill himself?"

If Laza was acting out a combat fantasy, its reasonable to assume that he would dress accordingly, not that it should be possible to decipher a troubled mind so easily. SF teams typically dress in combat gear and cover their faces, for protection, you cant assume that because his face was covered he was trying to hide his identity.

"The medical examiner asserts that all wounds were caused by a rifle or other long weapon, and police/FBI say that the school was littered with 223 (rifle) casings. However, Adam Lanza was found dead at the school with only handguns - a rifle was found in the trunk of his car. "
This is the biggestest descrepency as faras I can see, as we actually have footage of the cops retrieving the rifle from the trunk of the car. The reports state that the mother was in posession of 5 firearms, its possible that the one in the trunk was not the one used in the attack.

"According to the official story, the killings was tightly confined to two classrooms. Then why were so many children told to close their eyes while leaving the building?"

The place was crawling with heavily armed cops and swat teams by that time. Its reasonable to expect that the sight of a large group of armed men might have an unsettling effect on young children who had just been the victims of an attack. If I was there charged with escorting the kids out of the building I'd like to think that I would encourage them to do the same.

"A child asserts that he/she heard someone say, “Put your hands up,” followed by the reply, “Don’t shoot.” This indicates that the police took a suspect into custody inside the school. But if that was Adam Lanza, how did he kill himself after that point? "

This is a big asumption, it possible that the person being challenged was another law enforcement officer in plain clothes.

"Another child asserts that he/she saw a man pinned down to the ground with handcuffs on. Again, this indicates that the police took a suspect into custody. If that was Adam Lanza, how did he then kill himself? "

The SOP in these circumstances are to treat all unknown people on the scene as suspects until they can be proven otherwise, its possible that the guy on the ground was another teacher, or an innocent bystander, and that the officers rendered him safe before they established that he was OK. After the SAS raid on the Iraian embassay in London, all the hostages were handcuffed and detained as they left the bulding to ensure that none of the perps could sneak away.

"Is it reasonable for a geeky 20-year-old to carry two pistols and hundreds of rounds of ammunition while wearing a bulletproof vest and a mask?"
In a word yes. Hi cap magazines, combat clothing would make this easy.

"Why did a police officer specifically mention on radio that “they’re coming at me through this wood” followed by a fellow officer saying, “This is it”?"

Again the law enforcement officers were converging on the scene from any and all directions, I'd buy it more if he had said, "The Israeli death squad is attacking me from the wood" Its more Likely IMO that the officer may have been confused about who and what he was seeing approaching the scene from the woods.




reply posted on 18-12-2012 @ 10:21 AM by UltraMarine
reply to post by Bilk22


MSM should not be trusted . This time too , they are chiming in with the lone gunman version of the story, eliminating any mention of other gunmen from its coverage of the tragic event ... You can read my article regarding this Media coverup from this Link : www.abovetopsecret.com...


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reply posted on 18-12-2012 @ 10:32 AM by jibeho
Originally posted by Stormdancer777
This Michael Harris,?

Now I get the picture.

Thar he blows! Neo-Nazi J.T. Ready spouts off, as Republican Mike Harris looks on
blogs.phoenixnewtimes.com...


Good Catch!! Harris is a dirt ball and so was JT Ready who committed multiple murders before taking his own miserable life.

This blame the Israelis is pure hogwash and empty speculation...They also caused Superstorm Sandy to tie into Sandy Hook...


reply posted on 18-12-2012 @ 10:33 AM by FissionSurplus
If this is a conspiracy, the psychology of "how dare you question things when the blood of innocent children is on the ground" goes a long way to shut people up.

Although this is a horrific incident, just like the "Batman" shootings, it is important to question the official story if there are serious discrepancies in it, while everything is still fresh. That is what good detectives do. Letting over-the-top emotionalism and sadness cloud our ability to look at things intelligently is exactly what would allow perpetrators to get away with it, if there are any still running around free.

We do no justice to the slain children by burying our heads in our hands and refusing to look at the holes in the official story.

The man who makes the Israeli assertions hasn't given any solid leads to point to Israel's direction, only his assumption as to why such a massacre would have taken place. It is just as likely to assume that the US government itself could be capable of such a sick act, in their zeal to have the second amendment gutted.

If there is a conspiracy here, it is important to look at all the facts coldly and logically. Otherwise, we would be guilty of letting the true killers of these children go free.

I had hoped that more on ATS would look at this whole case as it is, and leave the emotionalism and tears out of it. We cannot deny ignorance if our thinking is muddied up.

Did Israel do it? I can't say that the accuser has given me any proof whatsoever. Was there some conspiracy about this shooting, so sick and twisted that it boggles the mind? Potentially. Those who can, let's look at the facts and examine it closer. Those who can't, go back to your emotional fog.


reply posted on 18-12-2012 @ 10:41 AM by nighthawk1954
I was wondering how many NUT JOBS would come out after this tragedy in connecticut.
I give this one third place!
Simple come here to Connecticut and ask the first responders yourself!


reply posted on 18-12-2012 @ 10:57 AM by hurdygurdy
Palestinian school children were deliberately targeted and murdered during the Gaza War of 2008.

Is Harris right? Would Israel order the deaths of twenty tiny children to make a political point? Have they done this before? Is Harris right about that too? Moments ago, Harris phoned me. I asked him if, hours later, he was still willing to back up his statements. His answer was simple: “You murder children as part of ‘business as usual,’ you shouldn’t be surprised that when children are murdered, people look to you.”


Link


At 11:30 am on December 27, 2008, Israel launched the campaign titled Operation Cast Lead. It began with an opening wave of airstrikes in which F-16 fighter jets and AH-64 Apache attack helicopters simultaneously struck 100 preplanned targets within a span of 220 seconds. There was a 95% success rate with zero misses in the opening attack according to the Israeli Air Force. Thirty minutes later, a second wave of 60 jets and helicopters struck at an additional 60 targets.

At least 225-230 Palestinians were killed, most of them Hamas security officers, and more than 700 injured on the first day of air strikes. Civilians, including children, were among the casualties. Human rights groups critically note that the attacks began around the time children were leaving school. The Israeli attack was the deadliest one-day death toll in 60 years of conflict between the Israelis and Palestinians, a day that was called the Massacre of Black Saturday by Palestinians in Gaza.


Link
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reply posted on 18-12-2012 @ 11:05 AM by dorkfish87
I don't see a connection to Israel at all, no legitimate evidence to say they were connected to this sad event.

However something is fishy, the story is way too inconsistent


reply posted on 18-12-2012 @ 11:14 AM by whatsecret
Originally posted by Bilk22
Originally posted by whatsecret
Why would Israel......? But then again why would anybody..

I don't know if Harris has a reason for saying it [besides that he really doesn't like Israel], but the media did a great job confusing the crap out of everybody with all the inconsistency.


And who owns the media? When Fox News agrees with the left, then you know something is up. Who owns Fox News? This stinks all the way around.


Shareholders like Prince Alwaleed bin Talal.


reply posted on 18-12-2012 @ 11:33 AM by CosmicCitizen
Didnt the Iranians come out first with the accusations that the Israelis were involved?


reply posted on 18-12-2012 @ 11:44 AM by loveguy
Even I have doubts about Izzy being behind it.

But one thing is certain;
Israeli's collective conscientiousness condones ending innocent lives (Gaza/Golan Heights/children) for their own gains.

There's plenty of reports of izzy using D-U/or white phos. on school-children.

What would izzy gain?

Here's one.


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reply posted on 18-12-2012 @ 12:33 PM by thudpuddy
So George Bush is no longer responsible for all of our woes and we can go back to blaming the Jews like in the good ol' days ?
I would breathe a big sigh of relief now that we have somebody to blame , but are we sure ?

That shooter looks little alienish to me .


reply posted on 18-12-2012 @ 12:45 PM by All Seeing Eye
reply to post by loveguy


But one thing is certain;
Israeli's collective conscientiousness condones ending innocent lives (Gaza/Golan Heights/children) for their own gains.


There seems to be a reason for that mindset.

The basic Talmudic doctrine includes more than a "super-race" complex. It is an "only" race concept. The non-Jew thus ranks as an animal, has no property rights and no legal rights under any code whatever. If lies, bribes or kicks are necessary to get non-Jews under control — that is legitimate. There is only one "sin," and that is anything which will frighten non-Jews and thus make it harder for the Jewish "humans" to get them under control. "Milk the Gentile," is the Talmudic rule, but don't get caught in such a way as to jeopardize Jewish interests. Summarized, Talmudism is the quintesscence of distilled hatred and discrimination — without cause, against non-Jews.


www.come-and-hear.com...-Jews_Like_An_Ass

And if I'm not mistaken, Israel is predominately Talmudic Jews.


reply posted on 18-12-2012 @ 12:53 PM by robwebbjr
Originally posted by UltraMarine
By Gordon Duff [Marine Vietnam veteran, a combat infantryman, and Senior Editor at Veterans Today]
Date : Tue Dec 18, 2012

Michael Harris, former Republican candidate for governor of Arizona and GOP campaign finance chairman, in an internationally televised news broadcast, said Israel killed the children in CT to teach America a lesson . He said this was a revenge against the US and President Obama .

Israel believes the US “threw them under the bus,” particularly after the recent Gaza war, allowing Israel to be humiliated in the United Nations.Their response was to stage a terror attack, targeting America in the most hideous and brutal way possible


One three star general is quoted as saying, “Harris hit the nail right on the head and it is about time someone spoke up.”


Is Harris right? Is this a terrorist attack ? Would Israel carry out such hideous act ?

Full story : Link

Was “lone gunman” Adam Lanza a “patsy,” the same word Lee Harvey Oswald used to describe himself before being “silenced” in November 1963?



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My question is why?
Any supposed intent to motivate this U.S. to become more involved in current and pending middle east conflicts makes no sense because if anything, this tragedy has the potential to lead to levels of internal strife that would disincline us to participation in any overseas ventures.
So if not for some type of strategic gain, then what?
Revenge?
If so, then why children?
Has anyone considered who are the parents of these poor victims?
Here's a relevant thread:
www.abovetopsecret.com...


reply posted on 18-12-2012 @ 01:11 PM by redshoes
(slightly off topic but to extend the argument of 'you attackked children in the past etc...)

While I'm not an advocate of Israeli tactics in past 'conflicts' the corelation between this attack and attacks on schools by the IDF in lebannon and Gaza has a plausable basis.

In most urban environments, particularly throughou the middle east but also in many densely populated areas, there are very few non-military buildings and compounds that can be secured relatively easily, provide a parade ground and assembly area for large miliatry machinery and a series of partitioned room within the same structure.

It just so happens that most schools, tend to have palying fields, assembly yards, classrooms and offices all aurrounded by walls or large fences for security that make them viable locations if you are looking for somewhere to base youre militia/rebel army etc.

They also tend to be at the heart of the community, which means artillery attacks or air raids are more open to the possibility of 'collateral damage' in a conflict.

War is hell, civil war is the worst kind fo all, if you look at what happened in Libyia and whats happening in Syria at the moment, you are likely to see that the local schools are more often than not prime targets.

However making the comparision between attacks on schools in Gaza and Lebannon and this event are like comparing influenza with ebola...

No convincing evidence of anything other than the official narritive at present.


reply posted on 18-12-2012 @ 01:29 PM by olaru12
Originally posted by thudpuddy
So George Bush is no longer responsible for all of our woes and we can go back to blaming the Jews like in the good ol' days ?
I would breathe a big sigh of relief now that we have somebody to blame , but are we sure ?



The right wing conservatives like to blame Obama for everything that's wrong in America; not the Jews.

This whole Sandy Hook incident reeks of conspiracy.


reply posted on 18-12-2012 @ 01:44 PM by MaxBlack
I can agree that some type of death squad was used in the Newtown shooting spree, but as for Israel Mossad being involved, well of that I am not so certain, although there are in my opinion, puzzling elements that would allow anyone to draw that suspicion.

I do not think for one second that Adam Lanza, is the lone gunman being alleged in this incident and if we have been keeping up with all the media reporting mistakes, if that's what they really are, then we need to be reminded of something that is key to helping see matters more clearly in this case.

When the shooting incident occurred, the 911 dispatch tapes, allow us to clearly hear a policeman reporting in the frantic of the moment, multiple suspects, long rifle and shotgun are specifically mentioned by this reporting policeman on the 911 dispatch tape.

The reason this is important is because, the shotgun that was supposedly found in the trunk of his mothers SUV, as the police video shows us, It is dark after sunset, they have lights on, the car is surrounded by policemen as the video cameras roll, we are shown the trunk opened and the shotgun was shown as supposedly being inside this grand trunk opening moment for all to see, so we would forget they told us that a Bushmaster 223 was initially in the trunk which the AP wire ran with earlier in the day.

The problem with this report is that it goes against the fact that a policeman reported a "shotgun and long rifle" during the 911 response to the shooting and so, one has to logically ask, how does a shotgun get reported during the 911 call if the shotgun used, gets discovered much later in the day, and after dark?

The coverup with the initial mistake about the AR-15 being found in the trunk had to be corrected in such a way that something else replaces the AR-15 found in the trunk.

By swapping the story from a AR-15 to a shotgun, the deception would have worked, had not the 911 dispatch tape prove all this to be a lie.

The coverup had to be attempted because once word became known that all of the victims had died from 223. rounds, it would have blown the case wide open to go with the story that the AR-15 was found in the trunk, for it denotes someone else other than Adam Lanza placed it there to be found since Lanza is inside the school, dead from a supposedly self inflicted pistol gun-wound.

If this was not done by the other shooter parties involved in the shooting spree, then law enforcement types internal to the investigation are changing evidence to fit the official cover story.

It is these Newtown elements of fact that we should ponder and if you want to prove that Mossad teams were involved in this blatant false flag event, then investigate who could change weapons in the trunk without anyone knowing about it or seeing it until the big Giraldo type media moment when later after dark, the big finding of the shotgun was produced for all to see so that the AR-15 found in the trunk report would go away and be forgotten as a mistake.

Can you honestly tell me that any law enforcement type is going to mistake a Shotgun for a Bushmaster AR-15? Not likely I think, but keep the time of discovery in mind for it helps show that a cover up is being conducted.

Those insiders to this coverup are perhaps Mossad, but we wont ever know for certain until someone honestly investigates how these discrepancies can exist in a truthful law enforcement investigation and or among supposedly honest law enforcement types.

In closing, I want to say that we can no longer trust the media to inform us honestly and or to honestly investigate as if they still know how to investigate real crimes and events. While this fact is already known to many, it is time we also accept, that we can no longer in many instances, trust law enforcement to honestly investigate these crimes. Investigations become clean up operations after the crime and it is more than time we ask the hard questions, whether it challenges the official story or not.

The innocent victims deserve to have the real criminals brought to justice. We the public owe them that right to justice, for until their true murders are attributed to the correct criminals, we are all in danger and the criminals gloat in their hidden evil.

This is where we are today and if the 911 dispatch fact doesn't do it for you, then there ample other evidence issues that can take its place to continue the theory that the Sandy Hook School shooting is a false flag event that has yet to go after or identify the real criminals in this case based on evidence that the 911 dispatch tapes shows us.

This further reveals that any false flag possibility, makes Adam Lanza and his Mother, murder victims in a elaborate false flag event where death, ensures they can never answer questions to the contrary of what we are told as the official story. Even the accused deserve justice and we should endeavor to find it and deal with it.

Thanks for the thread.
Respectfully
MaxBlack


reply posted on 18-12-2012 @ 02:09 PM by RalagaNarHallas
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yes must be the big bad jews who do every single bad thing that goes on on the planet well the ones that America didnt do......how about his younger brother had his id so he could get beer? fake id's tend to be good for that especially when you look like your other sibling not saying the Israelis are always innocent but in this case to blame them is kinda waaaay out in left field


reply posted on 18-12-2012 @ 03:06 PM by All Seeing Eye
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There is little doubt in my mind that this latest incident and the preceding shootings are part of an organized effort to disarm not only citizens of the US but also the entire world. There is also a parallel effort to dumb down the population, and to cull the heard, sort of speaking.

This "Plot" is not merely one country or another, its global. And one organization, that of the Mossad can not be blamed entirely. You have Psychiatrists prescribing drugs that are known to cause people to become violent. You have a media that refuses to cover this fact. You have politicians who refuse to stand up for truth. And you have global secret societies who are allowed to continue in potions of power and influence.

By all accounts and logic, this can not be. But it is exactly what we see on a daily basis. The reason such a global conspiracy can not be seen is because of the nature of the hidden and secretive puppet strings that manipulate our society. Forgive me for this observation, but it appears to me, the "Gods" of old are frighten of anyone who can defend themselves, or the truth.
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reply posted on 18-12-2012 @ 04:22 PM by gladtobehere
reply to post by UltraMarine

Originally posted by UltraMarine
Would Israel carry out such hideous act

Based on the fact that they've been killing kids for the past 65 years, I'd say yes.


reply posted on 18-12-2012 @ 04:24 PM by Urantia1111
I've had to say this to people a few times. Whenever you see the term "lone gunman" used under any circumstances, you should immediately recognize that you are being lied to. There are no, nor have there ever been any lone gunmen. Its a technique used for easy cleanup of messy/deadly situations so that the real perps can never be implicated.


reply posted on 18-12-2012 @ 04:27 PM by WaterBottle
Could you stop making conspiracy theorist look bad by posting garbage threads like this?

Blame the jews for everything why don't you....




reply posted on 18-12-2012 @ 04:34 PM by Bilk22
reply to post by MaxBlack

Let's look at some other bits of information. We know the brother, originally reported as the shooter, then reported killed by the shooter, then reported alive and taken into custody, had anarchist postings to his social media accounts. The logical person, if this was a setup as a scare tactic to prevent or influence the father's testimony in the LIBOR investigation, would have been the older brother. However it seems they grabbed the wrong kid and planted the wrong manufactured ID on him. They're still holding the kid from what I've read. Why? It's clear he was no where near the scene.

We know from witnesses accounts that were originally reported, news video and police radio chatter that there were others detained and someone was chased chased through the woods. There were other teachers in that school that surely saw some of what transpired and would have some eyewitness information about this event that they may recant to others and it would likely spread via social media as the news media would be under the control of TPTB. TPTB have no control of people sending texts and posting to FB and Twitter. We then we have the CT State Police going live on TV stating that anyone disseminating information other than the "official story" will be prosecuted. Hmmm? So what better person to use as an example, but a media person who with then report what they did to him for spreading what they believe to be false formation. They also say they will prosecute anyone for doing this. That would surely cause someone to think twice about telling anyone what they know vs what the official story is.

That kid did not shoot all those children and adults, in military fashion, as they want us to believe. There are too many inconsistencies in the story and there are too many coincidences with Aurora and the link to the LIBOR scandal is too much of a smoking gun.

Mossad, CIA? Who knows? Maybe all of the above, but this stinks all the way around and those poor children and women are dead.
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reply posted on 18-12-2012 @ 04:51 PM by Onewhoknowsjesus
reply to post by fiftyfifty

I am in total agreement with you fifty fifty...very poor taste and lack of respect was shown for those left victims of this terrible tragedy.I also agree with you 100% in highlighting the fact that all the facts have yet to be gathered from an impending investigation......Thumb's up to Fifty's comment!


reply posted on 18-12-2012 @ 05:02 PM by tinhattribunal
Isreal
definitely Isreal


reply posted on 18-12-2012 @ 05:49 PM by Razziazoid
I'm pretty certain Mossad had at least a hand in 9/11, so I'm pretty sure Israel (read: Netanyahu) could do this. Child's play...


reply posted on 18-12-2012 @ 06:08 PM by christoph
Originally posted by Razziazoid
I'm pretty certain Mossad had at least a hand in 9/11, so I'm pretty sure Israel (read: Netanyahu) could do this. Child's play...


9/11 you say?

Sandy Hook Connecticut

Sandy Hook has 9 letters

Connecticut has 11

Newtown = 7, 7-11

:
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reply posted on 18-12-2012 @ 06:13 PM by pacifier2012
Groan.....

Where do these people come from? Maybe they're aliens that were expelled for mental reasons from other planets were sent here and ended up on ATS?




reply posted on 18-12-2012 @ 06:14 PM by hellobruce
Originally posted by UltraMarine
said Israel killed the children in CT


And again the jew haters come along and it is all the jews or Israel's fault. no matter what happens, it is always the jews fault!


reply posted on 18-12-2012 @ 06:16 PM by lonewolf19792000
Why would Israel give a rat's ass about some podunk Connecticut school, enough to send a hit squad to kill twenty 5 year olds?

I think you haters would blame Israel for an asteroid hitting the earth if it ever happens, because darn those Jooz and their big noses. Their big noses are always into everything!


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reply posted on 18-12-2012 @ 06:19 PM by snapperski
I need a lot more information and evidence before i buy into the Israel connection.

But considering Israel is a mafia state, and are the most powerful mafia in the world it could be possible.





reply posted on 18-12-2012 @ 06:29 PM by Razziazoid
reply to post by hellobruce


If a 3 star general confirms this... I'm sure there are more, but they daren't speak. I can write a 30000 word essay on the naughty things Zionists have done in this world since 1900. They meddle in absolutely everything, and are masters of subversion, exactly what is happening (and has been happening) in the US for about 50 years. So if someone (in this case a senator and a 3 star general) suggests that Israel might have something to do with this, I PAY ATTENTION since it might as well be true.
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reply posted on 18-12-2012 @ 06:56 PM by rocha123
theres no doubt ,things didnt went in the clear since the attack,but its time to put the guard up,and think with an open mind. Mossad operating in the US?.....Sound bias,but im sure we are not gonna have an easy case closed anytime soon.


reply posted on 18-12-2012 @ 07:35 PM by Vaedur
why s antisemitism ok here? This site really makes the nwo is real. Im on their side how do I join? Do i talk to hogan or nash. Thankfuly they have ur ip addresses.


reply posted on 18-12-2012 @ 07:35 PM by jeffwilson34
Originally posted by Bilk22
Originally posted by Tardacus
The medical examiner asserts that all wounds were caused by a rifle or other long weapon, and police/FBI say that the school was littered with 223 (rifle) casings. However, Adam Lanza was found dead at the school with only handguns - a rifle was found in the trunk of his car. Then he could not have possibly been firing the rifle, and could not have committed the murders. Who did then?


According to the official story, Adam Lanza was found with his older brother’s ID, and it was not stolen. However, older brother Ryan - whom officials say is very cooperative - claims not to have even seen his brother since 2010. Where would Adam get this ID? And why does such use not qualify as a theft?


I wonder how they are going to explain these two things?


They won't have to. They'll just change the report and silence the ME. Then they'll claim he was misquoted. This stinks and we all know it.


I saw a video of him saying it, I hope someone saved it,
You would think a ME would be able to tell the difference in a round fired by a pistol and one fired from a gun with a long rifled barrel pretty easily.

Are there any pistols that fire a .223 round?
It is possible that he had a .223 rifle with a pistol grip and someone who does not know guns just said pistols and it kept getting repeated.

As far as the ID he could have gone to the local DMV with his brothers Birth certificate and what other ID they needed and said he lost his Drivers license along with his wallet and got a copy pretending to be his brother.. Being brothers the small photo on them would look similar enough to pass pretty easily. In that case it would not be stolen but obtained fraudulently and if that is in fact the case the officials would not want it to leak out how he obtained it because it would give other people ideas on how to do the same thing.


reply posted on 18-12-2012 @ 07:37 PM by Shaxuul
Hmm, didn't know "Israeli Death Squads" stormed into the school that day and murdered the children.


reply posted on 18-12-2012 @ 07:37 PM by Vaedur
Originally posted by lonewolf19792000
Why would Israel give a rat's ass about some podunk Connecticut school, enough to send a hit squad to kill twenty 5 year olds?

I think you haters would blame Israel for an asteroid hitting the earth if it ever happens, because darn those Jooz and their big noses. Their big noses are always into everything!


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They level of sanity here is less and less by tbe day.


reply posted on 18-12-2012 @ 07:41 PM by Shaxuul
Originally posted by Vaedur
Originally posted by lonewolf19792000
Why would Israel give a rat's ass about some podunk Connecticut school, enough to send a hit squad to kill twenty 5 year olds?

I think you haters would blame Israel for an asteroid hitting the earth if it ever happens, because darn those Jooz and their big noses. Their big noses are always into everything!


edit on 18-12-2012 by lonewolf19792000 because: (no reason given)
They level of sanity here is less and less by tbe day.


It's called sarcasm. Look it up.


reply posted on 18-12-2012 @ 07:47 PM by XFILER108
really?

you people are sick,
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reply posted on 18-12-2012 @ 07:55 PM by Shaxuul
I remember when I was 10 years old and got my first BB/pellet gun. I decided to go around trying to shoot squirrels in my backyard. Don't worry, Al-Qaeda and Israeli Death Squads weren't behind it, I WAS. Because young, dumb kids just DO stupid sh*t sometimes, and there isn't always a goddamn "conspiracy" behind the evil sh*t people do.
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reply posted on 18-12-2012 @ 07:58 PM by Tecumte
Originally posted by Bilk22
Originally posted by tothetenthpower
Urgh..

Now there are plenty of things I would not put past Israel and Mossad on the other side of the world. However in this case...come on?

Just..un-screw the tin foil hat and move on.

~Tenth


I'm not wearing a tin foil hat and this makes the more sense than a 20 year old, shy autistic kid going rambo in a school he had no connection to.

The Mossad messed up and that why this kid had the wrong ID planted on him. His brother was the one with the anarchistic views. They grab this kid thinking it was him and planted the wrong ID on his dead body. This is the only thing that makes sense.


Well the story, in all of it's hundred or so forms, seems beyond science fiction, if I had to have a 'most probable' scenario, I would honestly have to ask if maybe there were not snipers outside the school. And if maybe there were a 'coach' (or two) somewhere involved. And too, people that wanted to destroy any computer evience that might not relate to the offical story line. (and put it back together censored and modied with the right message)

But Isreal (affilliations)??? I dunno but I would never rule anything out I will say though alot of what Mr. Duff says is IMO quite intersting on other topics, I have tried to decide just where he is coming from, (and who is backing him) maybe he has links to insider OPs that are on the side of the 'good guys'???
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reply posted on 18-12-2012 @ 08:00 PM by amraks
Originally posted by All Seeing Eye
reply to post by MaxBlack


There is little doubt in my mind that this latest incident and the preceding shootings are part of an organized effort to disarm not only citizens of the US but also the entire world. There is also a parallel effort to dumb down the population, and to cull the heard, sort of speaking.


couldn't agree more our tabloids are going on about maintaining stronger gun laws in Australia.

We had a double murder her in tassie a few nights ago.




reply posted on 18-12-2012 @ 08:06 PM by The only 1 who knows the
Originally posted by Bilk22
Originally posted by whatsecret
Why would Israel......? But then again why would anybody..

I don't know if Harris has a reason for saying it [besides that he really doesn't like Israel], but the media did a great job confusing the crap out of everybody with all the inconsistency.


And who owns the media? When Fox News agrees with the left, then you know something is up. Who owns Fox News? This stinks all the way around.


The Jews own everything


reply posted on 18-12-2012 @ 08:06 PM by jeffwilson34
Originally posted by Vaedur
why s antisemitism ok here? This site really makes the nwo is real. Im on their side how do I join? Do i talk to hogan or nash. Thankfuly they have ur ip addresses.


You forgot Scott Hall.
OK I am showing my redneck side by knowing about wrestling

Back to topic.
Just because someone thinks Israel may be responsible for something does not make it antisemitism
Israel does come to peoples mind because they have the reputation of doing questionable things.
USS Cole comes to mind. EDIT THIS I MEANT USS LIBERTY I am leaving the original up because someone responded and pointed out I had said Cole I had a brainfart/
Like it or not they have no problems killing Palestinian children. There are videos of their military doing it, they may have had what some people call good reason but that opinion varies from person to person.
I am not saying the United States has not killed its share of women and children so in my opinion either government is capable of killing kids and shows no remorse after the fact.
I am sure Israel would love for people here to know what it is like to live in fear of a suicide bomber or shooter like they do every day. But one has to wonder why so many people and countries hate them so bad that they would constantly be bombing and shooting missiles at them.

speaking of missiles remember before this happened the story of the north Korea missile found on the shoreline? Makes one wonder of the next mass killing will be a rouge missile hitting the west coast,

Look at things from the outside with no emotion involved.
How many mass shootings have one person shooting 28 people and have a 97% kill ratio?
Why so many conflicting reports from people that were there when it happened?
Why does the CT police threaten to arrest anyone saying anything but what "comes from these microphones" with arrest in clear violation of the 1st amendment? Do they not teach the cops up there about the bill of rights and freedom of the press and freedom of speech? I guess I better be on the lookout for a CT state police car in my driveway now. Well I will just call my local police when they come, the locals are not perfect and I do not agree with some of their actions but they never threatened to prosecute me for exercising my rights.

Too many things here do not add up and the fact that ot was kids has everyone a bit more emotional.



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reply posted on 18-12-2012 @ 08:09 PM by Tecumte
Originally posted by amraks
Originally posted by All Seeing Eye
reply to post by MaxBlack


There is little doubt in my mind that this latest incident and the preceding shootings are part of an organized effort to disarm not only citizens of the US but also the entire world. There is also a parallel effort to dumb down the population, and to cull the heard, sort of speaking.


couldn't agree more our tabloids are going on about maintaining stronger gun laws in Australia.

We had a double murder her in tassie a few nights ago.


I personally think a HUGE number of people would agree with this, and once once knows the Agenda, they work backwards and say, now how exactly are they going to achieve this. By what methods. I honestly think we are seeing many of these methods carried out. Did it happen in CT?
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reply posted on 18-12-2012 @ 08:10 PM by DeathShield
First off i am pro-israel, but i am also pro-palestine. Don't even try the whole "THE ZIONISTS ARE ____" with me. I take that about as seriously as i take the whole " THE MUSLIMS ARE ___" line of reasoning. I have learned in my life that people are pretty freaking awful no matter what Historical justification or god they believe or disbelieve in.

So basically israel killed Children in Newtown Connecticut (instead of DC, Los Angeles or freaking NYC where there is a significant jewish presence and would symbolically have a heavier impact) Because someone was going to appoint chuck freaking hagel to a seat of power that is checked and balanced by both senate and house? Seriously?

And what evidence is presented here? Mike harris saying (without even offering evidence) that they did this in norway. That is it. Oh, and that "other people" agree with him, and that it is "about time" someone talked about those awful jews with their terrifying written letters. The questions that are asked are valid questions, but they are asked after it is assumed that israel MIGHT be involved. This could also be a freaking Islamist terrorist attack or it could even be some crap from a local militia of angry romney supporters. It could be people working for the UN to coerce us into signing one of their weapons treaties. Have we all forgotten how involved the UN is in world affairs? Or do we all think that they are actually hammering out world peace in their fancy new york high rise? Correlation is not causation, we all know that.



Give me a break here dudes. This is bloody sensationalist rhetoric with little basis in our purported reality. There probably IS a conspiracy going on with these mass killings. In this case It probably involves the whole LIBOR fiasco. My personal hunch is that it is all part of Incrementalist policies to get us to accept UN provisions. I base this merely off of speculation alone.


Why does it take someone like me; a man who believes in sky wizards and aliens and sea-monsters to point this out?
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reply posted on 18-12-2012 @ 08:20 PM by OOOOOO
Israel killed thousand of their our children back years ago, in a eugenic cleansing, of what is now call the ringworm children.

Link www.whale.to...
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reply posted on 18-12-2012 @ 08:24 PM by Tecumte
Originally posted by DeathShield
First off i am pro-israel, but i am also pro-palestine. Don't even try the whole "THE ZIONISTS ARE ____" with me. I take that about as seriously as i take the whole " THE MUSLIMS ARE ___" line of reasoning. I have learned in my life that people are pretty freaking awful no matter what Historical justification or god they believe or disbelieve in.

So basically israel killed Children in Newtown Connecticut (instead of DC, Los Angeles or freaking NYC where there is a significant jewish presence and would symbolically have a heavier impact) Because someone was going to appoint chuck freaking hagel to a seat of power that is checked and balanced by both senate and house? Seriously?

And what evidence is presented here? Mike harris saying (without even offering evidence) that they did this in norway. That is it. Oh, and that "other people" agree with him, and that it is "about time" someone talked about those awful jews with their terrifying written letters. The questions that are asked are valid questions, but they are asked after it is assumed that israel MIGHT be involved. This could also be a freaking Islamist terrorist attack or it could even be some crap from a local militia of angry romney supporters. It could be people working for the UN to coerce us into signing one of their weapons treaties. Have we all forgotten how involved the UN is in world affairs? Or do we all think that they are actually hammering out world peace in their fancy new york high rise? Correlation is not causation, we all know that.



Give me a break here dudes. This is bloody sensationalist rhetoric with little basis in our purported reality. There probably IS a conspiracy going on with these mass killings. In this case It probably involves the whole LIBOR fiasco. My personal hunch is that it is all part of Incrementalist policies to get us to accept UN provisions. I base this merely off of speculation alone.


Why does it take someone like me; a man who believes in sky wizards and aliens and sea-monsters to point this out?
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Well, I don't know, while I leave it open as to whether sky wizards (actually with weather mod those do exist but another time) or aliens or sea monsters exist, the openly stated desire to rid the world of the ability of the serfs to be able to defend themselves with guns, knives, sticks, stones... without 'Big Nanny"-- by many "eye of the pyramid" type guys--- does exist and history shows it clearly. Too, I think most students of directed history know the usual suspects and usual methods.A major gun grab is happening. What will 'they' *sacrifice* to achieve it?


reply posted on 18-12-2012 @ 08:25 PM by Vaedur
Originally posted by OOOOOO
Israel killed thousand of their our children back years ago, in a eugenic cleansing, of what is now call the ringworm children.

Link www.whale.to...
edit on 18-12-2012 by OOOOOO because: (no reason given)

Scientifically, during that time period, they also xrayed people's feet to fit them for shoes because they thought it was the safe. Then, they thought ringworm was properly treated with radiation. Know your history. Malepractice yes, conspiracy, no.


reply posted on 18-12-2012 @ 08:27 PM by steppenwolf86
Originally posted by jeffwilson34
Originally posted by Vaedur
why s antisemitism ok here? This site really makes the nwo is real. Im on their side how do I join? Do i talk to hogan or nash. Thankfuly they have ur ip addresses.


You forgot X-Pac, China, DX, and Scott Hall.
OK I am showing my redneck side by knowing about wrestling

Back to topic.
Just because someone thinks Israel may be responsible for something does not make it antisemitism
Israel does come to peoples mind because they have the reputation of doing questionable things.
USS Cole comes to mind.
Like it or not they have no problems killing Palestinian children. There are videos of their military doing it, they may have had what some people call good reason but that opinion varies from person to person.
I am not saying the United States has not killed its share of women and children so in my opinion either government is capable of killing kids and shows no remorse after the fact.
I am sure Israel would love for people here to know what it is like to live in fear of a suicide bomber or shooter like they do every day. But one has to wonder why so many people and countries hate them so bad that they would constantly be bombing and shooting missiles at them.

speaking of missiles remember before this happened the story of the north Korea missile found on the shoreline? Makes one wonder of the next mass killing will be a rouge missile hitting the west coast,

Look at things from the outside with no emotion involved.
How many mass shootings have one person shooting 28 people and have a 97% kill ratio?
Why so many conflicting reports from people that were there when it happened?
Why does the CT police threaten to arrest anyone saying anything but what "comes from these microphones" with arrest in clear violation of the 1st amendment? Do they not teach the cops up there about the bill of rights and freedom of the press and freedom of speech? I guess I better be on the lookout for a CT state police car in my driveway now. Well I will just call my local police when they come, the locals are not perfect and I do not agree with some of their actions but they never threatened to prosecute me for exercising my rights.

Too many things here do not add up and the fact that ot was kids has everyone a bit more emotional.





Wow what are you even talking.about? Israel bombed the Cole? And North Korean missiles on what shoreline? this whole thread is ridiculously crazy. The Mossad does not employ peaceful angels, but blaming Israel for the evils of the world... Well it seems such anti semantic conspiracies never went out of style after all. Don't let anyone kid you either, the root of such thinking is nothing more than a hatred of the Jews.


reply posted on 18-12-2012 @ 08:27 PM by Vaedur
Originally posted by Shaxuul
Originally posted by Vaedur
Originally posted by lonewolf19792000
Why would Israel give a rat's ass about some podunk Connecticut school, enough to send a hit squad to kill twenty 5 year olds?

I think you haters would blame Israel for an asteroid hitting the earth if it ever happens, because darn those Jooz and their big noses. Their big noses are always into everything!


edit on 18-12-2012 by lonewolf19792000 because: (no reason given)
They level of sanity here is less and less by tbe day.


It's called sarcasm. Look it up.
uhh ? what? I"m just agreeing with that i'm quoting? I don't get it.





reply posted on 18-12-2012 @ 08:29 PM by Vaedur
reply to post by jeffwilson34


You have a bit of a point to a degree. I just don't see isreal murdering children in the US as revenge, it's way too far fetched.
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reply posted on 18-12-2012 @ 08:39 PM by Corruption Exposed
I'm surprised Iran hasn't been blamed yet.


reply posted on 18-12-2012 @ 08:40 PM by Bilk22
Originally posted by jeffwilson34
Originally posted by Bilk22
Originally posted by Tardacus
The medical examiner asserts that all wounds were caused by a rifle or other long weapon, and police/FBI say that the school was littered with 223 (rifle) casings. However, Adam Lanza was found dead at the school with only handguns - a rifle was found in the trunk of his car. Then he could not have possibly been firing the rifle, and could not have committed the murders. Who did then?


According to the official story, Adam Lanza was found with his older brother’s ID, and it was not stolen. However, older brother Ryan - whom officials say is very cooperative - claims not to have even seen his brother since 2010. Where would Adam get this ID? And why does such use not qualify as a theft?


I wonder how they are going to explain these two things?


They won't have to. They'll just change the report and silence the ME. Then they'll claim he was misquoted. This stinks and we all know it.


I saw a video of him saying it, I hope someone saved it,
You would think a ME would be able to tell the difference in a round fired by a pistol and one fired from a gun with a long rifled barrel pretty easily.

Are there any pistols that fire a .223 round?
It is possible that he had a .223 rifle with a pistol grip and someone who does not know guns just said pistols and it kept getting repeated.

As far as the ID he could have gone to the local DMV with his brothers Birth certificate and what other ID they needed and said he lost his Drivers license along with his wallet and got a copy pretending to be his brother.. Being brothers the small photo on them would look similar enough to pass pretty easily. In that case it would not be stolen but obtained fraudulently and if that is in fact the case the officials would not want it to leak out how he obtained it because it would give other people ideas on how to do the same thing.


Yeah this skinny, shy, autistic kid went down to the DVM and got a fake ID and then rambo'd his way thru that school. You don't find that more difficult to believe than the story put forth by the OP?


reply posted on 18-12-2012 @ 09:00 PM by jeffwilson34
reply to post by steppenwolf86



I apologize I said Cole but meant USS Liberty
I will try and figure out how to edit my post.
Thank you for pointing out my error
The north Korea missile thing is here
www.freerepublic.com...


reply posted on 18-12-2012 @ 09:03 PM by meggiddo2012
Another anti Jew post. Awesome! My goodness people! You cant stop them. So stop trying. Next topic please.


reply posted on 18-12-2012 @ 09:07 PM by jeffwilson34
reply to post by Vaedur

I did not mean it to say they did I was trying to point out that that both countries have killed children and it is possible but doubtful, I should have been more clear/
I also meant USS Liberty NOT Cole


reply posted on 18-12-2012 @ 09:13 PM by jeffwilson34
Originally posted by Bilk22
Originally posted by jeffwilson34
Originally posted by Bilk22
Originally posted by Tardacus
The medical examiner asserts that all wounds were caused by a rifle or other long weapon, and police/FBI say that the school was littered with 223 (rifle) casings. However, Adam Lanza was found dead at the school with only handguns - a rifle was found in the trunk of his car. Then he could not have possibly been firing the rifle, and could not have committed the murders. Who did then?


According to the official story, Adam Lanza was found with his older brother’s ID, and it was not stolen. However, older brother Ryan - whom officials say is very cooperative - claims not to have even seen his brother since 2010. Where would Adam get this ID? And why does such use not qualify as a theft?


I wonder how they are going to explain these two things?


They won't have to. They'll just change the report and silence the ME. Then they'll claim he was misquoted. This stinks and we all know it.


I saw a video of him saying it, I hope someone saved it,
You would think a ME would be able to tell the difference in a round fired by a pistol and one fired from a gun with a long rifled barrel pretty easily.

Are there any pistols that fire a .223 round?
It is possible that he had a .223 rifle with a pistol grip and someone who does not know guns just said pistols and it kept getting repeated.

As far as the ID he could have gone to the local DMV with his brothers Birth certificate and what other ID they needed and said he lost his Drivers license along with his wallet and got a copy pretending to be his brother.. Being brothers the small photo on them would look similar enough to pass pretty easily. In that case it would not be stolen but obtained fraudulently and if that is in fact the case the officials would not want it to leak out how he obtained it because it would give other people ideas on how to do the same thing.


Yeah this skinny, shy, autistic kid went down to the DVM and got a fake ID and then rambo'd his way thru that school. You don't find that more difficult to believe than the story put forth by the OP?


I did not say he did I was pointing out a way he could have his brothers ID but not steal it.
Some kids like that can be normal one minute and freak out the next.
I know a couple that has an autistic child, he can be normal acting and you would never know anything was wrong with him but almost anything can set him off and he gets angry and unmanageable


reply posted on 18-12-2012 @ 09:18 PM by jefwane
Wow, that's four days before someone blames Israel and the Joos. Isn't that a new record for the time it takes Israel to be blamed after a tragic event here on ATS?
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reply posted on 18-12-2012 @ 09:26 PM by BlackSnake
Ok-so....lets see if I got all of this..
Supposedly the CO and CT shooters` fathers are involved somehow in the LIBOR investigation-,from another thread-and the reporter/media exec who broke the LIBOR story had a nanny that killed her kids in October,and some of you guys think the Mossad and Israel did it?

Seriously?

I do not like seafood,and this smells like a red herring to me.


reply posted on 18-12-2012 @ 09:44 PM by yourignoranceisbliss
Originally posted by tothetenthpower
Urgh..

Now there are plenty of things I would not put past Israel and Mossad on the other side of the world. However in this case...come on?

Just..un-screw the tin foil hat and move on.

~Tenth


Your disbelief is exactly what makes the scenario so plausible.

Consider what we know Israel is capable of and what we know they've done in the past to their own "allies".


reply posted on 18-12-2012 @ 09:46 PM by GD21D
Now that I have soaked in this little theory for a while I think I'm ready to Give my assessment.
First and foremost, I will say that nothing would surprise me with the way international political posturing seems to operate. This includes ruling classes killing any type of target, and then using those deaths for political gain.

HOWEVER....

To accuse any foreign hit squad of doing this with dubious at best evidence is just absurd. You are implying an operation way too big to be completely whiffed on by boots on the ground. Something would have leaked with all of the police presence in the area. Unless of course you are implying that even the police department was implicit in a crime against children in their own jurisdiction. That is the only possible way that authorities would have let the supposed suspects in the woods and in the van go (if they indeed let them go).

I'm going to need a lot more than an obvious state of confusion for me to even come close to buying a foreign hit squad executing a mission such as this. You have a situation with mass chaos coupled with a media that is ready to pounce on any and all information that comes out of an event such as this. It is a perfect recipe for bad information to be advertised.

It is possible that there is a conspiracy here, I just think it's very unlikely. Furthermore, if there is a conspiracy than this Israeli angle is nothing more than a curveball, a slight of hand to throw people off track.

There is jumping to conclusions with weak evidence, and then there's really jumping to conclusions with really weak evidence.

Speaking of jumping to conclusions
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reply posted on 18-12-2012 @ 09:46 PM by ~widowmaker~
reply to post by Todzer


The Mossad motto: “By way of deception, thou shall do war”


another thought, maybe they arent our allies because they are good freinds, maybe we use them to commit terrorist attacks so we can change policy, and thats why we keep sending them 3 billion a year ^^ when they clearly do nothing for us, arent very good friends(caught spying on 16 times and buying documents) and give nothing back accept #$%^& tv programing ^^
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reply posted on 18-12-2012 @ 09:49 PM by Baguul
Even some members of the Military have spoke up. This is VERY logical. Mot saying I believe it, but I will pursue this train of thought. Israel is a trerror state, they were founded on terror and organized crime. Their lobby is feared by bureaucrats...


reply posted on 18-12-2012 @ 10:40 PM by rocha123
SOME PEOPLE DONT UNDERSTAND CONSPIRACY THEORY AND YET THEY KEEP COMMING....


reply posted on 18-12-2012 @ 10:40 PM by MrInquisitive
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WOW. I'm a fervent anti-zionist, but an objective and rational one. This claim is just bigoted/racist, nutty conspiracy theory. And frankly, ridiculous claims against Israel like this just undercuts legitimate issues regarding the rogue state.

And this post gets 54 flags? HFS. This is exemplary of what is wrong with ATS.


reply posted on 18-12-2012 @ 10:46 PM by GD21D
Originally posted by MrInquisitive
reply to post by UltraMarine


WOW. I'm a fervent anti-zionist, but an objective and rational one. This claim is just bigoted/racist, nutty conspiracy theory. And frankly, ridiculous claims against Israel like this just undercuts legitimate issues regarding the rogue state.

And this post gets 54 flags? HFS. This is exemplary of what is wrong with ATS.

Couldn't have said it better myself.
I like that HFS. Took me a second to pick up on that one.


reply posted on 18-12-2012 @ 11:12 PM by MajorKarma
reply to post by UltraMarine
It is noteworthy that we in the USA do not see how News about events in the USA are presented in other countries
www.presstv.ir...


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reply posted on 18-12-2012 @ 11:30 PM by jazzguy

And this post gets 54 flags? HFS. This is exemplary of what is wrong with ATS.


i must admit i flagged this thread because i hate israel with a passion.
true or not, i wouldnt put it past them


reply posted on 18-12-2012 @ 11:52 PM by UltraMarine
reply to post by MajorKarma


Thanks for the link .


The Zionist-controlled Western media fueling culture of violence: Mike Harris



A prominent Phoenix-based analyst tells Press TV that the Israelis and their media like Hollywood are behind most of the violent incidents happening within the United States namely the recent deadly New Town school shooting incident.


SOURCE

Date : Tue Dec 18, 2012 12:58PM
Interview with Mike Harris, financial editor of Veterans Today, Phoenix


reply posted on 18-12-2012 @ 11:57 PM by tothetenthpower
reply to post by yourignoranceisbliss


So by proxy of what we 'allege' they've done, they've done this?

So, I could then say with certainty that it was the CIA, KGB, NSA, CSIS, etc were all part of the plan. Since I know they've done bad things before right?

There are no facts to support this idea, it's just conjecture from some moron who wanted his 10 mins to spew hate on the air. and for some god awful reason Press TV felt it required to give it to him.

I'm for having a legitimate discussiong about crimes committed by governments on foreign soil, but it has to be a discussion, not a yelling match or a rhetoric session.

~Tenth





reply posted on 19-12-2012 @ 12:13 AM by cody599
For f*ck sake how did this load of tripe even get 1 flag ? I've had less offensive threads 404'd.
Mods get a grip or some clear guidelines.


reply posted on 19-12-2012 @ 12:40 AM by bronto
Have you ever seen photos of what is left of primary school children in Palestine after Israeli rocket attacks ? shredded little bodies ,terrible !!!!!!!!!! Governments really dont give a crap ,or children born terribly deformed from the depleted uranium in Iraq ,does Obama cry about that ? or 5000 abortions every day that never even got to go to elementary school ,i dont say they did it ,but the Port Arthur massacre was a set up and if you examine the evidence its obvious to anyone .


reply posted on 19-12-2012 @ 02:31 AM by IsraeliGuy
I can't help but laugh at all the fools who buy into this crap. And then you say you're out for the truth. Lol.

The reply somewhere up this page saying "I flagged this only 'cause I hate Israel" sums up this entire site; one person posts BS, other people with the same opinions star/flag his BS thread only due to their similar feelings on the matter.

Any connection between these kinds of threads and the terms 'balanced', 'unbiased', 'objective', 'truth seeking' is completely nonexistent.
..And you guys mock the MSM for not being completely unbiased? Hahahahah...

Nothing left to do but pity you and the likes of you OP. You keep up this hatred and it won't be long 'till your first cardiac arrest due to sheer anger.
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reply posted on 19-12-2012 @ 03:17 AM by newcovenant
Originally posted by Meekbot2000
the premise of isreali gunmen commiting the crime is unsubstantiated but the questions asked are very logical. Child witnesses are some of the most reliable there are. they dont have motives, they just see literally what they see.



Unless the kids say they saw an alien spaceship land with little men that get out and talk to them telepathically. Then kids are not so reliable and all of a sudden in could easily be mass hypnosis. At least that is what most people seemed to claim when this event occurred and was witnessed by 62 children.
62 School Children Encounter Aliens - Zimbabwe, 1994,


reply posted on 19-12-2012 @ 03:56 AM by loOranks
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Some folks see the hands of ancient aliens under every stone, some other see the hands of Jews under any news story.

A little pathetic.


reply posted on 19-12-2012 @ 04:16 AM by UltraMarine

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reply posted on 19-12-2012 @ 05:01 AM by NotAnAspie
Originally posted by loOranks
reply to post by UltraMarine


Some folks see the hands of ancient aliens under every stone, some other see the hands of Jews under any news story.

A little pathetic.
they earned that rep fair and square.

They are not supposed to be there.
They are grossly over funded.
They are clearly tied to elite interest.

Therefore they are responsible.

You want to try to take over the world?

TAKE THE RESPONSIBILITY.

This is what happens when someone keeps pulling the same crap.
It's nobody's fault but their own.
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reply posted on 19-12-2012 @ 05:06 AM by kaidec
Did anyone else read the comments under the article? I was shocked that most of the comments were from people who do not buy the story being told to us. I hope it means more and more people are opening their eyes and not buying what is being reported. I don't know if what is said in the article is true or not. I do know the day it happened I told my parents (my stepfather an ex Marine who thinks I am nuts) there was something way off with the story. Since there are more questions than answers, I will add another one. What happened to the dead person at Adam's father's home? First reports had him dead, was it a false report or was there a body at the father's home?


reply posted on 19-12-2012 @ 05:10 AM by lee anoma
This sounds utterly ridiculous.

What would be the purpose of taking revenge in order to make a point about disagreeing with the targets policies when no one knows you even did it?

We all would believe it to be a depraved act by a lone perpetrator and not a revenge act by Israel in order to force us to change our policies (present and future) regarding Palestine.

What exactly did they accomplish?
No one but this guy is even thinking about Israel in relationship to the killings at Sandy Hook.

It would be a waste of time, effort, and a monumentally stupid risk.

So no, this didn't happen.

- Lee


reply posted on 19-12-2012 @ 05:53 AM by kingmonkey
Originally posted by lee anoma
This sounds utterly ridiculous.

What would be the purpose of taking revenge in order to make a point about disagreeing with the targets policies when no one knows you even did it?

We all would believe it to be a depraved act by a lone perpetrator and not a revenge act by Israel in order to force us to change our policies (present and future) regarding Palestine.

What exactly did they accomplish?
No one but this guy is even thinking about Israel in relationship to the killings at Sandy Hook.

It would be a waste of time, effort, and a monumentally stupid risk.

So no, this didn't happen.

- Lee



Couldn't have put it better so I won't even try.

How someone could think this act, from an ally, is in response to US foreign policy beggars belief.




reply posted on 19-12-2012 @ 05:53 AM by RestlessNRG
This is really dumb, if there was a death squad roaming around they would have been seen and reported by the surviving teachers and children. Do people not appreciate the police have not disclosed the whole story as it is an ongoing investigation. Seriously though how dumb are people when they somehow turn this into Israel retaliating against USA. there are only tenuous links in this article and everything is unsubstantiated. you could replace Israel with Iran and have equally tenuous reasons for explaining how Iran sent death squads to punish America. Shame on you fools for even believing this.


reply posted on 19-12-2012 @ 05:54 AM by resoe26
Originally posted by lee anoma
This sounds utterly ridiculous.

What would be the purpose of taking revenge in order to make a point about disagreeing with the targets policies when no one knows you even did it?

We all would believe it to be a depraved act by a lone perpetrator and not a revenge act by Israel in order to force us to change our policies (present and future) regarding Palestine.

What exactly did they accomplish?
No one but this guy is even thinking about Israel in relationship to the killings at Sandy Hook.

It would be a waste of time, effort, and a monumentally stupid risk.

So no, this didn't happen.

- Lee



I agree

And PS
Your Avatar made me LOL


reply posted on 19-12-2012 @ 06:17 AM by Merinda
Originally posted by Stormdancer777
OH NO,

Really?

An attempt to vilify Israel, no wonder so many people have this illogical hatred for Jews and Israel, this is just hate/fear mongering.


After the way early settlers treated the American natives came to light Americans themselves were critical of it. So they hold Israel to the same standards as themselves pretty much. Israels misfortune is that they settled Israel/Palestine in the media age. There is no prosecution to speak of of jews in America, only criticism towards israel for handling the palestinian situation and suspicion concerning the loyalities of citicens in a political office whom hold dual citizenship, or did you ever hear of somebody in America to call for a boycott of a Spielberg movie, or the daily show?

As for the topic at hand, I am not aware anybody was whitness to more than one shooter, whom comitted suicide. So unless one of the surviving whitnesses comes forward and says otherwise there is no basis for any theory that involves mutiple shooters.

Also if Israel or any terrorist wanted to punish America it would make no sense to hit the middle class. The millionaires at the levers of power are so removed from the working shlubs they feel saddened by what happens to the middle class, the way they feel about children in Africa. Its sad but it does not connect with them.
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reply posted on 19-12-2012 @ 06:21 AM by sevens8
the initial thread,
what a whole lot of garbage, plain and simple rubbish manufactured by fools and press TV what a propaganda joke especially coming from a country that hang people for a drink and attempt to turn off the Internet for their own Internet filled with propaganda nonsense to keep the people dumb and manipulated.


reply posted on 19-12-2012 @ 06:27 AM by Merinda
And lastly is there any other source or even video of the televised remarks of Harris?
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reply posted on 19-12-2012 @ 06:29 AM by UltraMarine
reply to post by Merinda



YouTube Link



reply posted on 19-12-2012 @ 06:37 AM by colloredbrothers
reply to post by fiftyfifty


Boohoo are you going to cry? Truth has no place for emotions. I don't care what your wife does for a living or how small your children are.

The fact is this whole ordeal is weird, just like most false flags it stinks and here you are waiting for the official report to come out. You do know you are on ATS right? What if it was the Israel lobby do you think the cops would come out saying that?

If you believe what the news says about this event you are empty headed and ATS is not your place, go where you belong.


reply posted on 19-12-2012 @ 06:48 AM by Merinda
Okay so the Iranians paid him for that interview probably.

Originally posted by colloredbrothers
reply to post by fiftyfifty




The fact is this whole ordeal is weird, just like most false flags it stinks and here you are waiting for the official report to come out. You do know you are on ATS right? What if it was the Israel lobby do you think the cops would come out saying that?



Where is the weird? There was a lot of weird when it comes to 911. The Israelis that were apprehendet and were only released after intervention from Washington. The people in charge of the investigation were bought off. There were many signs of people attempting to obfuscate the ongoing investigations.

Right now it is too early to say what is breaking news reporting errors and obfuscation. What you need to look at is the people conducting the investigation. Do you believe them to be bought off, or influenced in any way, or is there no reason to believe any such, so that we can be certain that the CT police will conduct a thorough investigation?
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reply posted on 19-12-2012 @ 06:54 AM by SallieSunshine
I have to dispute this idea. Children live with one foot in the real world and one foot in the fantasy world of childhood. Whatever they don't understand, they make up an explanation for and they can come up with some pretty wild stuff. And yes, children do have motives, although they are often very different from adult world motives.

Sal

Originally posted by Meekbot2000
the premise of isreali gunmen commiting the crime is unsubstantiated but the questions asked are very logical. Child witnesses are some of the most reliable there are. they dont have motives, they just see literally what they see.






reply posted on 19-12-2012 @ 07:34 AM by Helmkat
There is a difference between conspiracy and fantasy. This has clearly crossed the line.


reply posted on 19-12-2012 @ 07:42 AM by Merinda
Who does the investigation? Is there any reason to believe, that those doing the investigation are interested in obfuscation and distortion, or are they genuine? Thats the key question here. Or to see whether they will be harassed by their superiors. Whenever there was a false flag, there was some sort of comission run by the perpetrators or in the name of the perpetrators as it happened after jfk and 911. Is this the case here?
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reply posted on 19-12-2012 @ 08:16 AM by openyourmind1262
Why is this so hard to beleive? We all know Israel's track record of abuse, goes all the way back to Biblical times. They slaughtered their ally of 40 years in the bible stories, every man woman & CHILD. They treat the children in Palestine as if their dogs at their feet. We have all seen and read about these atrocities.

When willl folks understand that the Hebrews consider us the Goyim. We are a second class humans, compared to them. They think we exist only to serve them. I aint making this BS up folks. It's a fact. They would slaughter every man woman & child in America if they thought we stood in their way . America has been used by this nation since this nations creation. They think they are the only ones that count. They are Gods choosen people. God made a really bad choice. When it comes to Israel, the entire rest of the planet is Goyim, second class humans. IMHO, Israel could do this and not bat an eye.


reply posted on 19-12-2012 @ 08:17 AM by fireyaguns
www.youtube.com...

this fellow has found the invisible tears


reply posted on 19-12-2012 @ 08:39 AM by ParasuvO
Originally posted by lee anoma
This sounds utterly ridiculous.

What would be the purpose of taking revenge in order to make a point about disagreeing with the targets policies when no one knows you even did it?

We all would believe it to be a depraved act by a lone perpetrator and not a revenge act by Israel in order to force us to change our policies (present and future) regarding Palestine.

What exactly did they accomplish?
No one but this guy is even thinking about Israel in relationship to the killings at Sandy Hook.

It would be a waste of time, effort, and a monumentally stupid risk.

So no, this didn't happen.

- Lee




Noone knows ?!!? I think many would and could know...and are fully involved with the fact that this is not at all what the media is reporting, as almost it always is.

The incredulity of the people who just cannot wrap there heads around anything that is not spouted by mainstream, the simple minds they have....is hilarious.

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reply posted on 19-12-2012 @ 08:48 AM by proteus33
reply to post by UltraMarine


if it was ever found to be true the people of america would be out for blood and no amount of jewish collaborators in goverment would be unable to stop it. i more belieive it was goverment stagged so they could get sheeple to sign off on un small armx ban.


reply posted on 19-12-2012 @ 09:19 AM by Unity_99
Originally posted by ~widowmaker~
reply to post by Todzer


The Mossad motto: “By way of deception, thou shall do war”


another thought, maybe they arent our allies because they are good freinds, maybe we use them to commit terrorist attacks so we can change policy, and thats why we keep sending them 3 billion a year ^^ when they clearly do nothing for us, arent very good friends(caught spying on 16 times and buying documents) and give nothing back accept #$%^& tv programing ^^
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Yeah well I always thought Mossad and the CIA worked together in most things. So, this wouldn't be a solo job like that, pretty sure it would be a joint job.


reply posted on 19-12-2012 @ 09:52 AM by Panic2k11
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I think that hate for Jews mostly past, some distrust lingers as they often act as a cohesive group in mutual support, that is not even strange due to historic events, but is blatant in US politics influence and US media viewpoint and influence. Israel is a martial state, it is not be confused with a normal democracy at all (see also Arab citizens of Israel).

In general all the hate is toward Israel policies and activities, like the settlements and the disrespect for international law to the general occupation (even if the situation was not solely created by Israeli Jews, the methodology for the pushing and establishing the state of Israel was itself abnormal and violated the civil rights of those that lived in the region). The continued unwillingness to address past errors (even crimes) is what today foments antisemitism, when in fact the issues is Zionisms but it serves the Zionists purposes to confuse the two and the continuation of playing a role of victim, to the detriment of the memory of real historic events, that are often exacerbated and linked as justification for objectionable actions that almost mimic what was done to Jews themselves in the past.

Israel is a client state of the US, the perpetuation of the situation of conflict is on both governments (not citizens) interest, not only both nations local economic and political interest but integral to the geopolitical interests in the region.
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reply posted on 19-12-2012 @ 09:53 AM by yorkshirelad
Wow the loonies have been let out the asylum for this thread haven't they! And I thought ATS couldn't stoop any lower with some of the insane conspiracies recently......

This makes the 2012 threads look positively intellectual!


reply posted on 19-12-2012 @ 09:57 AM by Dhimmie
I've been waiting for the 'blame the Jews' line. Took longer than expected this time.


reply posted on 19-12-2012 @ 09:59 AM by Avgudar
They did 9/11 so they might just have done this as well. In he middle ages they would poison wells (although today many see this as disinfo. The true disinfo came from those who manage to hide these acts of genocide by calling it disinfo). Their tactics never change.




reply posted on 19-12-2012 @ 10:01 AM by DOLCOTT
This has to be the most retarded comments and post I have ever seen. Any factual evidence???


reply posted on 19-12-2012 @ 10:15 AM by Malynn
I have no idea who was actually behind this awful and reprehensible attack. However, what I do know is that the official story is absolute and utter BS. Does that mean Israel did it? Of course not. But they're definitely capable of it.

What I find absolutely deplorable are the people (many in this thread) willing to just swallow the official story without question, and then ridicule the people who actually care enough to look deeper into the story to try to find the true persons behind this tragedy. Those babies deserve justice. Including the kid who supposedly shot the babies with a gun he didn't have with him.

All angles should be looked at with a fine tooth comb. And if two separate members of the government are making these claims it at least deserves some consideration.

People in this thread are welcome to toss around the tried and true (and lame) anti-semite slurs all you want. Being critical of Israel's actions does not a "j00" hater make.


reply posted on 19-12-2012 @ 10:22 AM by Power_Semi
Originally posted by Todzer
A mentally unstable person caused this


You mean an American.

A paranoid, delusional character who believes there is a conspiracy against him around every corner, that "they" are out to take his liberties away, and so he locks himself in a self imposed prison and wants to arm himself to the teeth so that he can "take out" the "bad guys," otherwise known as his fellow similarly paranoid compatriots.


reply posted on 19-12-2012 @ 10:27 AM by capod2t
Remember this guy?
Police believe Carpio, 26, who was not handcuffed, got hold of the officer's gun, shot Allen, broke a third floor window in an adjacent office and jumped onto a service road, Esserman said at a news conference. Carpio was captured after a struggle a few blocks away.


One of many articles

First thing I thought of when I heard that story was the video game Grand Theft Auto.

Yesterday a six-year old brought a handgun to school and held it to a girl's head.

Some people, including young ones, are capable of doing some pretty horrific things.

But I am not ruling anything out...


reply posted on 19-12-2012 @ 10:27 AM by Mnkyboy
I watched the coverage of the shooting from the begining there was a man in custody in cuffs they talked to parents and the parents said they brought a man out f the woods and he looked at us and said I dident do it. There was someone in custody and was later identified as the shooters brother.


reply posted on 19-12-2012 @ 10:31 AM by Power_Semi
Originally posted by capod2t

Remember this guy?
Police believe Carpio, 26, who was not handcuffed, got hold of the officer's gun, shot Allen, broke a third floor window in an adjacent office and jumped onto a service road, Esserman said at a news conference. Carpio was captured after a struggle a few blocks away.


One of many articles

First thing I thought of when I heard that story was the video game Grand Theft Auto.

Yesterday a six-year old brought a handgun to school and held it to a girl's head.

Some people, including young ones, are capable of doing some pretty horrific things.

But I am not ruling anything out...



You need more guns. If there were more guns then this kind of thing wouldn't happen.


reply posted on 19-12-2012 @ 10:43 AM by Dhimmie
Originally posted by Avgudar
They did 9/11 so they might just have done this as well. In he middle ages they would poison wells (although today many see this as disinfo. The true disinfo came from those who manage to hide these acts of genocide by calling it disinfo). Their tactics never change.


I assume you mean it is possible the MOSSAD had a hand in the buildings coming down and not 'the jews did 9/11'

I # my underwear as a kid, I am certain the Jews did it, they planted it there, there were traces of pork in my # and I am a muslim?!?!?!? See, proof!


reply posted on 19-12-2012 @ 10:47 AM by UltraMarine
reply to post by Dhimmie


I assume you mean it is possible the MOSSAD had a hand in the buildings coming down and not 'the jews did 9/11'


Jews are the good guys , zionists / Mossad are the bad ones .


reply posted on 19-12-2012 @ 10:48 AM by AuranVector
Originally posted by Bilk22
Originally posted by whatsecret
Why would Israel......? But then again why would anybody..

I don't know if Harris has a reason for saying it [besides that he really doesn't like Israel], but the media did a great job confusing the crap out of everybody with all the inconsistency.


And who owns the media? When Fox News agrees with the left, then you know something is up. Who owns Fox News? This stinks all the way around.


Rupert Murdoch (Obama supporter in 2008) owns Fox News.

Murdoch's mother's father, Rupert Greene, was Jewish.





reply posted on 19-12-2012 @ 11:22 AM by live2beknown
Wow really?? this is stupid and sad..Why would Israel do this, what advantage would they get..So let me get thsi straight Israel/Mossad was the ones that staged that first school attack in 1996 at Columbine, Colorado.. Israel, I doubt would kill innocent children, I don't believe they're that much fked up..They couuld do so many other things why this..I don't believe it at all..I laughed actuually when I read the head lines and the post..No offence.


reply posted on 19-12-2012 @ 11:31 AM by Iscool
Originally posted by UltraMarine
By Gordon Duff [Marine Vietnam veteran, a combat infantryman, and Senior Editor at Veterans Today]
Date : Tue Dec 18, 2012

Michael Harris, former Republican candidate for governor of Arizona and GOP campaign finance chairman, in an internationally televised news broadcast, said Israel killed the children in CT to teach America a lesson . He said this was a revenge against the US and President Obama .

Israel believes the US “threw them under the bus,” particularly after the recent Gaza war, allowing Israel to be humiliated in the United Nations.Their response was to stage a terror attack, targeting America in the most hideous and brutal way possible


One three star general is quoted as saying, “Harris hit the nail right on the head and it is about time someone spoke up.”


Is Harris right? Is this a terrorist attack ? Would Israel carry out such hideous act ?

Full story : Link

Was “lone gunman” Adam Lanza a “patsy,” the same word Lee Harvey Oswald used to describe himself before being “silenced” in November 1963?



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reply posted on 19-12-2012 @ 11:41 AM by Iscool
reply to post by live2beknown


This would play right into Obama's anti 2nd Amendment hand...If Israel did this, Obama owes Israel a hearty Thank You...

And we 2nd Amendment supporters are the only ones likely to support Israel...I don't buy it for a second...


reply posted on 19-12-2012 @ 11:54 AM by knightrider078
It didnt take long for blaming the jews for this.


reply posted on 19-12-2012 @ 11:58 AM by OOOOOO
Originally posted by Vaedur
Originally posted by OOOOOO
Israel killed thousand of their our children back years ago, in a eugenic cleansing, of what is now call the ringworm children.

Link www.whale.to...
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Scientifically, during that time period, they also xrayed people's feet to fit them for shoes because they thought it was the safe. Then, they thought ringworm was properly treated with radiation. Know your history. Malepractice yes, conspiracy, no.

You need to know what you talking about before you type. They knew they were overdosing these children, it was not about cure it was about eugenic's.

"
This is a documentary about Israel's policy to irradiate the Sephardic Jews of North Africa ostensibly to eradicate ringworm. Ringworm is a fungal infection of the skin.

The effects of this treatment with radiation was death, cancer, foetal malformations and sterility. Up to 200,000 of these Arab Jewish children were treated in this way at time when the dangers of over exposure to radiation was known.

Today in Israel, Arab Jews are treated as second class citizens"

. www.abovetopsecret.com...


reply posted on 19-12-2012 @ 12:03 PM by Cryptonomicon
Originally posted by lonewolf19792000
Why would Israel give a rat's ass about some podunk Connecticut school, enough to send a hit squad to kill twenty 5 year olds?

I think you haters would blame Israel for an asteroid hitting the earth if it ever happens, because darn those Jooz and their big noses. Their big noses are always into everything!


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Why?

Look at Washington D.C. now, talking about taking our gun rights away. This will divide the nation politically. If they take away our guns, it will weaken us as a nation from a defense perspective. There could even be civil war or at least squirmishes here and there where there are hold outs (Waco, TX). That crap will just allow them to further erode our civil liberties from Washington D.C.

You ask "Why?" Israel says, "Why wouldn't we?"


reply posted on 19-12-2012 @ 12:07 PM by jibeho
I can't believe that this is one of the top threads on ATS right now... It should have been tossed into the Hoax! Bin long ago. What a decent into darkness and absurdity... Wow!! Any evidence yet to support the title of this thread??


reply posted on 19-12-2012 @ 12:10 PM by Vaedur
Originally posted by Malynn
I have no idea who was actually behind this awful and reprehensible attack. However, what I do know is that the official story is absolute and utter BS. Does that mean Israel did it? Of course not. But they're definitely capable of it.

What I find absolutely deplorable are the people (many in this thread) willing to just swallow the official story without question, and then ridicule the people who actually care enough to look deeper into the story to try to find the true persons behind this tragedy. Those babies deserve justice. Including the kid who supposedly shot the babies with a gun he didn't have with him.

All angles should be looked at with a fine tooth comb. And if two separate members of the government are making these claims it at least deserves some consideration.

People in this thread are welcome to toss around the tried and true (and lame) anti-semite slurs all you want. Being critical of Israel's actions does not a "j00" hater make.

Well I know who did this, that Lanza kid who killed himself afterwords. Nothing makes me think for one second that he didn't, their is NO evidence, just hearsay. What's utter BS is victimizing a child killer. These quick, inaccurate media reports are just someone relaying information any source has, it happens with EVERYTHING this media reports, as it rushes to be first to report. The media just throws it at the wall until it sticks. Why don't people understand that. You are all pissing on those kids graves. You are all sick in the head playing this stupid game.
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reply posted on 19-12-2012 @ 12:26 PM by Plotus
This topic seems to have got off way out there somewhere......
Ok if he had only handgun/handguns when he was found or captured (seems to be two stories, each different) and no rifle that the supposed casings was from, and the rifle was in the car trunk...? Then how far from the carnage to the car? then could he re-appear at the site of carnage again and continue ? Why would he use a rifle and take it back to the car and put it in the trunk, where it was found. Why not just chuck it and continue with pistols.

Could he have shot with the rifle, left to deposit it in the trunk, then returned and resumed with pistols?

Israeli's ...? ? that seems a far, far stretch.
Someone's not telling the story as it happened, and I think only the children and the two adults that were shot, know the real story...... yea, pretty fishy......


reply posted on 19-12-2012 @ 12:28 PM by Vaedur
Originally posted by Plotus
This topic seems to have got off way out there somewhere......
Ok if he had only handgun/handguns when he was found or captured (seems to be two stories, each different) and no rifle that the supposed casings was from, and the rifle was in the car trunk...? Then how far from the carnage to the car? then could he re-appear at the site of carnage again and continue ? Why would he use a rifle and take it back to the car and put it in the trunk, where it was found. Why not just chuck it and continue with pistols.

Could he have shot with the rifle, left to deposit it in the trunk, then returned and resumed with pistols?

Israeli's ...? ? that seems a far, far stretch.
Someone's not telling the story as it happened, and I think only the children and the two adults that were shot, know the real story...... yea, pretty fishy......

A shotgun was found in the car, lets see some evidence that it was anything other then a fast published media report that the rifle was found in the car.


reply posted on 19-12-2012 @ 12:30 PM by CosmicCitizen
reply to post by Plotus

We need more proof of Israeli involvement than some story started by the Iranians. STILL I have not heard an explanation for the fact that the rifle was in his car trunk and it was a rifle that was used (he had 2 handguns but the shell casings and body wounds were from a rifle). AND I have not heard any follow up on the "second shooter" that was arrested in the nearby woods. BOTH of those issues fuel the conspiracy theories.




reply posted on 19-12-2012 @ 12:31 PM by OOOOOO
Yea another interesting thing, is Dr. Steve Pieczenik, who is a Jew and a high ranking black ops specialist who was schooled and MIT and Harvard. He was the first person to receive a degree ,in what ever black ops specialist gets degreed in.
Dr. Steve was also right under Kissinger back in the day so you knoe he was in on all the #.

Anyhow him being, a Jew has stated numerous times as to how Israel was behind 9/11 and this guy knows his stuff.

A few months ago he said Saudi Arabia was going down very soon, next thing I see is the King of audia Arabia is in coma and going to die, could be end of Petrol Dollar.

He explained how there are really two different Jews in Israel, some are really bad and don't even care about the Israel people in general.

Jewish Zionists and neocons
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reply posted on 19-12-2012 @ 12:33 PM by Vaedur
Originally posted by CosmicCitizen
reply to post by Plotus

We need more proof of Israeli involvement than some story started by the Iranians. STILL I have not heard an explanation for the fact that the rifle was in his car trunk and it was a rifle that was used (he had 2 handguns but the shell casings and body wounds were from a rifle). AND I have not heard any follow up on the "second shooter" that was arrested in the nearby woods. BOTH of those issues fuel the conspiracy theories.
Would you trust follow up anyways, as you do not trust the follow up that it as a shotgun in the car that was found?


reply posted on 19-12-2012 @ 12:40 PM by UkobachHasCome1
I believe this was set up with obviously the help of the mr.lanza. He has been paying mrs Lanza 280,000 a year in alimony....!!!! That's a whole lotta money,his brother said he hadn't seen Adam in around 2yrs and the father didn't care for Adam either.i could only imagine that he hated his wife also havin to pay her all that money...set up!!!!!


reply posted on 19-12-2012 @ 12:42 PM by OOOOOO
reply to post by jibeho
Yea, I can believe this guy had the nerve to say what he said and got on the news information network where ever.

"Michael Harris, former Republican candidate for governor of Arizona and GOP campaign finance chairman, in an internationally televised news broadcast, said Israel killed the children in CT to teach America a lesson . He said this was a revenge against the US and President Obama ."

Thing is this guy had enough clout to do it, where as if you or I had said such, we might of been beat down and shipped off to the loonies bin.

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reply posted on 19-12-2012 @ 01:02 PM by Northfield
reply to post by UltraMarine


Interesting to note one of the final scenes of TDKR with the Blake character on the bridge with the school children - "you've killed us all".

And of course December 21st is the shortest day of the year in the northern hemisphere - the dark night rises...


reply posted on 19-12-2012 @ 01:22 PM by ipsedixit
Veterans Today is, in my opinion, an unreliable source of information. Personally, I think they are a psy-op of some sort. I don't want to overstate it, but they seem to harp on the idea that Israel did 9/11, once again stabbing naive, trusting good guy, America, in the back in the most disgraceful and ungrateful way.

That's a little too self-serving for me.

The notion that Israel, who is no saint, was involved in the recent school shooting, to get back at America for embarassing them, is nonsense.


reply posted on 19-12-2012 @ 01:24 PM by glad_to_be_His
I think it is as simple as this: who has more to gain from the disarming of Amerika? Mossad or the US gov?


reply posted on 19-12-2012 @ 01:39 PM by Ryanssuperman
Originally posted by tothetenthpower
Urgh..

Now there are plenty of things I would not put past Israel and Mossad on the other side of the world. However in this case...come on?

Just..un-screw the tin foil hat and move on.

~Tenth


This is probably the last thing I'd want to hear from a moderator on ATS. Everyone has a right to their opinion, no matter how crazy. Implying he "un-screw the tin foil hat", is very close minded of you.

As for the OP ... I wouldn't put it past them. Who know's what really happened?


reply posted on 19-12-2012 @ 01:43 PM by EarthlingSpelunker
Originally posted by UltraMarine
Israeli death squads involved in Sandy Hook bloodbath

Wile E. Coyote involved in Sandy Hook bloodbath








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