[3:40 AM] [RPNT] Pinnacle Uisen: Well  I don't think it's much of a secret anymore. Matthew has already been informed. RPNT will be leaving IM.

This is something we have been thinking about for a couple of months now. The move from cloud ring finalized it for us. We are not leaving because we lost sov. We are just sick of being treated like INIT's little bitches. We feel that there is a great lack of respect between the two alliances. We spend allot of our time in beta's and alpha's defending INIT moons etc. but yet all we get in return is abuse and disrespect. So we will be leaving the alliance shortly and RPNT will be moving to faction warfare for a while, after which we will then join our indi characaters in Goons.
[3:51 AM] [NRV3] Hassan Al-Fassir: Aaand awkward silence. Well, I wish you and your Corp Well!
[4:05 AM] [ERROR] Phoenix BlackThunder: @[RPNT] Pinnacle Uisen  Wish you good luck on your New Adventuers :smiley:
[4:06 AM] [NRV3] Erch Vinto: well, the bitching from init. side wasnt that bad the last weeks
[4:07 AM] [NRV3] Erch Vinto: if you are mad, that init. dont want to sit on nodes for hours,.. yes thats ok for me
on the other side i understand init. a bit, its painfull
[4:08 AM] [NRV3] Erch Vinto: on the right other side, init. told us always, cr is for ratting and not to move all our assets there, and build a sandcastle like space
[4:08 AM] [NRV3] Erch Vinto: ok the joke was killed by translation
[4:08 AM] [NRV3] Erch Vinto: :smile:
[4:09 AM] [POD.R] Matthew O'Hearn: POD.R will also be leaving IM. We will be joining Goons in Delve/Querious as a corp. Our door is always open and we are leaving on good terms with INIT/IM. Some members of other corps have already approached me about joining POD.R and aslong as they are leaving on good terms I have no problems taking anyone into POD.R.  Sadly some corporations won't make the cut to join Goons but if you wish to talk to me about it you're welcome to.
[4:10 AM] [NRV3] Hassan Al-Fassir: Woa. Now it gets serious. Whats with IM to Happen?
[4:11 AM] [RPNT] Pinnacle Uisen: :smiley: If you are  EU timezone RPNT will also take you in especially if you want to pewpew in Faction warface ffor a few weeks before joining goons.
[4:11 AM] [POD.R] Matthew O'Hearn: BREVE and I have already spoken and they are staying in CR for as long as they can but if you wish to stay I recommend speaking to them more about it.
[4:18 AM] [NRV3] Jin Feng: Well.... things escalated ......
[4:25 AM] [ERROR] Phoenix BlackThunder: ok, that escalated really quickly....
[4:26 AM] [ERROR] Phoenix BlackThunder: All i can say Good luck to you guys.
[4:44 AM] [NRV3] Erch Vinto: y good luck with goons
[4:44 AM] [NRV3] Erch Vinto: :smiley:
[4:48 AM] [ERROR] Phoenix BlackThunder: i hated Goons .....
[4:48 AM] [NRV3] Erch Vinto: you dont need to join them
[4:48 AM] [NRV3] Erch Vinto: im. isnt dead
[4:49 AM] [ERROR] Phoenix BlackThunder: lol, i know
[4:49 AM] [ERROR] Phoenix BlackThunder: i played long enough to know this. seen many corp dieing and allaince gone.
[4:49 AM] [ERROR] Phoenix BlackThunder: it always saddens me
[4:50 AM] [ERROR] Phoenix BlackThunder: but have to live with it
[4:53 AM] [POD.R] Matthew O'Hearn: Joining goons for us is merely a place that we can grow and recruit new players atm INIT is not really noob friendly and I doubt it ever will be because the nature of INIT's playstyle. I like the guys but POD.R isn't a hard core corp it's a casual corp that opens it door to newbros and not blame and shame them. It's always been an up hill battle for the noobs and I glady took that battle and I got my bumps and bangs from it. But at the end of the day it's a video game and I want to enjoy it and I want my members that would follow me through hell and back to enjoy it.
[4:57 AM] [POD.R] Matthew O'Hearn: It has nothing to do who is right or wrong, just difference of opinion and game style. There is also no good way to break this news to anyone but there it is. We will still be blue to one another as still part of the same coalition. I wish you all could/would join me but everyone has to choose their own way.
[5:14 AM] [NRV3] Erch Vinto: wasnt im. made to bring newbs on an init. level ?
[5:14 AM] [NRV3] Erch Vinto: or did i miss something
[5:14 AM] [POD.R] Matthew O'Hearn: No it wasn't, I just ran things like that.
[5:15 AM] [NRV3] Erch Vinto: are you sure ?
[5:15 AM] [POD.R] Matthew O'Hearn: It was built to hold sov at first, then used to dump trial corps to see if they fit in with the rest of INIT before joining.
[5:15 AM] [POD.R] Matthew O'Hearn: Sorta a testing alliance but never a noob alliance
[5:16 AM] [POD.R] Matthew O'Hearn: It only grew to that once POD.R and BREVE where the only corps in there so we ran it under bliss and sorta became a nooby alliance.
[5:18 AM] [NRV3] Erch Vinto: well, nerv got 2 guys from alpha to omega and they flew with init. too
[5:18 AM] [NRV3] Erch Vinto: thats like I thought is the point of im.
[5:18 AM] [NRV3] Erch Vinto: and not growing the fuck into other regions out
[5:19 AM] [NRV3] Erch Vinto: and not able to hold our own space
[5:19 AM] [NRV3] Erch Vinto: without the help of our "bitching init."
[5:19 AM] [NRV3] Erch Vinto: dont get me wrong, im realy mad right now about your desicions to go for carebear island and shit on the rest of us
[5:20 AM] [NRV3] Erch Vinto: (just in clase)
[5:20 AM] [NRV3] Erch Vinto: you dont need to answer on this, im done.
[5:24 AM] [POD.R] Matthew O'Hearn: Some people who attempted to fly with INIT were shit on and half the time their SRP claims never went through because meta lanuchers or "not the right ammo." There was little to no respect when it came to noobs trying to hardest to do task that some INIT members take for granted. The game is hard enough without someone shitting on you for failing. If you think we are going to Delve because we want to carebear you have no idea what POD.R does, nor what I've done. I am literally the only FC in IM that I know of. The members of BREVE and RPNT know what we've built and have been around long enough to know what I am talking about.
[5:25 AM] [NRV3] Erch Vinto: thats the point, you are not the only FC bc im. is init.
[5:25 AM] [POD.R] Matthew O'Hearn: Yeah but do you see INIT defending our moons that they tax?
[5:26 AM] [NRV3] Erch Vinto: did you poke bliss or shines for major towers ?
[5:26 AM] [POD.R] Matthew O'Hearn: It's one thing to say, "meh fuck the sov we need to defend the moons." but then they don't help with that...
[5:26 AM] [NRV3] Erch Vinto: even init. guys lost their towers to ee, if they werent that important than other things
[5:27 AM] [NRV3] Erch Vinto: we got a MAJOR communication problem with you and init.
[5:27 AM] [POD.R] Matthew O'Hearn: Yes and they didn't respond till last min and bitched at me for it calling me, "pathetic." When I asked for help
[5:27 AM] [NRV3] Erch Vinto: most of the infos we got from you, werent in line with init.s
[5:28 AM] [POD.R] Matthew O'Hearn: Like what?
[5:28 AM] [NRV3] Erch Vinto: i got bashed like .. on the fort thing
[5:28 AM] [NRV3] Erch Vinto: or bc i asked why init. doesnt help us defend to get shinys out
[5:28 AM] [POD.R] Matthew O'Hearn: I told you to ask INIT leadership but shouldn't be a problem as they have them down too.
[5:29 AM] [POD.R] Matthew O'Hearn: Then that same day COCKA messed up and made Bliss change the policy before he told me
[5:29 AM] [NRV3] Erch Vinto: and i got told, i should know, that cr space is just a temporary thing
[5:29 AM] [NRV3] Erch Vinto: its nice to have, but nothing to live in
[5:29 AM] [POD.R] Matthew O'Hearn: Yeah and I told everyone that
[5:29 AM] [NRV3] Erch Vinto: WHAT
[5:29 AM] [NRV3] Erch Vinto: rainforest ?
[5:30 AM] [POD.R] Matthew O'Hearn: I told them we will hold and in CR but if the hordes come screaming down on us we got to be careful.
[5:30 AM] [NRV3] Erch Vinto: rainforest is just nice to have ?
[5:30 AM] [POD.R] Loki: @[NRV3] Erch Vinto @[POD.R] Matthew O'Hearn, Guys I know you are heated but maybe general when people are sleeping is not the best bet
[5:30 AM] [NRV3] Erch Vinto: well, forget it, i got your point, but im still pissed about your leaving
[5:30 AM] [POD.R] Matthew O'Hearn: Sorry @[POD.R] Loki :stuck_out_tongue:
[5:30 AM] [NRV3] Erch Vinto: i thought we can rely on you
[5:30 AM] [NRV3] Erch Vinto: but i missed a memo i think
[5:31 AM] [POD.R] Matthew O'Hearn: I can only take so much abuse and so can my corp. If I actually owned the alliance it would be different but I am merely a caretaker for Bliss
[5:31 AM] [ERROR] Phoenix BlackThunder: Why not own it?
[5:31 AM] [POD.R] Matthew O'Hearn: Because I am not allowed to.
[5:32 AM] [POD.R] Matthew O'Hearn: Bliss has 100% of the shares and owns the holding corp.
[5:32 AM] [POD.R] Matthew O'Hearn: If he doesn't want us to do something he can just kick corps
[5:33 AM] [NRV3] Erch Vinto: did he kick any corp out?
[5:33 AM] [POD.R] Matthew O'Hearn: When I asked about putting ratting toons in the south while CR burns and we fight so that players can make ISK/Mine in safety I was told by Pando/Pulse to be in X-M 24/7 for QRFs if you want to make money get the fuck out of the allince
[5:34 AM] [POD.R] Matthew O'Hearn: Then told me to run incursions or do level 4 mission 50 jumps away in Curse while he claimed being in Delve is to far away... Which made no sense. I tried to explain to them that not everyone in IM has 4-8 accounts some of us only have 1-2 and even then only really one can make ISK and that one usually is a PVP account.
[5:35 AM] [POD.R] Matthew O'Hearn: So that person would be stuck in X-M fighting fights for INIT owned towers and not get SRP half the time while INIT members call them names and tell them to fly 1/2 billion ships and not have a place to make ISK. Do you see my point?
[5:36 AM] [POD.R] Matthew O'Hearn: I was told by them if they catch us in Delve there will be a punishment soo
[5:36 AM] [ERROR] Phoenix BlackThunder: o.O what are we, Salve to them?
[5:37 AM] [NRV3] Erch Vinto: no
[5:37 AM] [NRV3] Erch Vinto: some sort of, little brother
[5:38 AM] [NRV3] Erch Vinto: i asked lots of stuff in slack, like if im allowed to rat in their systems, i got invited to do so
[5:38 AM] [NRV3] Erch Vinto: even in g-0 or whatever
[5:38 AM] [NRV3] Erch Vinto: or init. cr space
[5:39 AM] [POD.R] Matthew O'Hearn: It's supposed to be a group effort but then when we ask for help to defend our POSes or when we took those POSes in the first place INIT never helped. Then they say we're the same thing like you're saying but we are clearly not. Yeah you're allowed to rat/mine INIT space but it's because heavly camped and watched
[5:39 AM] [NRV3] Erch Vinto: on the op yesterday, some new asked what they can bring,.. he got the answer with a maulus fit
[5:39 AM] [NRV3] Erch Vinto: newb*
[5:40 AM] [POD.R] Matthew O'Hearn: I would recommend any Rorq/carrier stuff
[5:40 AM] [POD.R] Matthew O'Hearn: wouldn't*
[5:40 AM] [POD.R] Matthew O'Hearn: Yeah from us, we setup all those contracts and INIT still yells about them.
[5:43 AM] [POD.R] Matthew O'Hearn: I have deep respect for INIT and they are doing great stuff with their numbers but their elite attitude hurts newer players and makes not only my job as a CEO for a noob friendly growning corp but also the caretaker of IM that much harder then it needs to. A little respect and understanding is all we wanted but we rarely get that and took us 3 months to put tech 1 EWAR cruisers part of their doctrines.
[5:48 AM] [POD.R] A Logibro: @[NRV3] Erch Vinto Why not move with us?
[5:49 AM] [NRV3] Erch Vinto: why should i ?
[5:49 AM] [NRV3] Erch Vinto: im in nerv
[5:49 AM] [NRV3] Erch Vinto: not pod
[5:50 AM] [NRV3] Erch Vinto: my loyality goes to my corp
[5:55 AM] [NRV3] Erch Vinto: and no, since i am director now of nerv ( :smile: ) nerv wont leave im.
[5:55 AM] [NRV3] Erch Vinto: fu jin
[5:55 AM] [NRV3] Erch Vinto: dont say anything
[5:55 AM] [NRV3] Erch Vinto: i see you typing
[5:55 AM] [ERROR] Phoenix BlackThunder: lol
[5:55 AM] [NRV3] Jin Feng: This is why EA makes bad games
[5:56 AM] [NRV3] Jin Feng: Instead of doing my job testing... i read discord
[5:56 AM] [NRV3] Jin Feng: :joy:
[5:56 AM] [NRV3] Erch Vinto: hahaha
[5:56 AM] [POD.R] A Logibro: Why not everyone move with us?
[5:56 AM] [NRV3] Erch Vinto: why we should ?
[5:56 AM] [NRV3] Erch Vinto: stop that
[5:56 AM] [POD.R] A Logibro: So you would like to stay in CR?
[5:56 AM] [NRV3] Erch Vinto: bc the belts are better than in highsec ?
[5:56 AM] [NRV3] Erch Vinto: we dont stay in cr
[5:57 AM] [NRV3] Erch Vinto: we stay with init.
[5:57 AM] [NRV3] Erch Vinto: cant speak for breve or error / psst
[5:58 AM] [NRV3] Erch Vinto: but im. will always be there
[5:58 AM] [NRV3] Erch Vinto: even with nerv only in it ;D
[5:58 AM] [NRV3] Erch Vinto: we could rename it than, to initiative nerv.
[5:59 AM] [NRV3] Erch Vinto: joke
[6:11 AM] [BREVE] SnakeTheBest: XD
[6:12 AM] [BREVE] SnakeTheBest: were staying in CR for as long as we can we wanna farm these BRAVE newbies as much as we can
[6:13 AM] [NRV3] Erch Vinto: things will change very soon
[6:15 AM] [RPNT] Pinnacle Uisen: time will wear you down like the first three corps in IM :smiley:(edited)
[6:27 AM] [NRV3] Erch Vinto: maybe, but not for long
[6:48 AM] [IM|ABSCD]Scipio Afrikanus: Late to the party here, I'm sorry to hear you guys are leaving its definitely been fun flying with you, from the massacres of voxis to the talwar fleets in pure blind.
[6:48 AM] [IM|ABSCD]Scipio Afrikanus: Should any of you guys ever need anything our door is always open
[6:48 AM] [IM|ABSCD]Scipio Afrikanus: Or at least our public channel
[6:49 AM] [NRV3] Erch Vinto: didnt you say you arnt on discord ?
[6:49 AM] [NRV3] Erch Vinto: :smile:
[6:49 AM] [IM|ABSCD]Scipio Afrikanus: I just got in
[6:50 AM] [NRV3] Erch Vinto: y, want to say sorry about my rage, im not raging often (mayby 1 time a year) so.. sorry about that
[6:50 AM] [NRV3] Erch Vinto: :>
[6:50 AM] [NRV3] Jin Feng: Anger leads to hate.... hate is the path to the dark side
[6:51 AM] [NRV3] Jin Feng: Be mindfull of your fellings
[6:51 AM] [NRV3] Jin Feng: :joy:
[6:51 AM] [NRV3] Erch Vinto: no !
[6:51 AM] [NRV3] Jin Feng: Damn it... you can't be a jedi if you are angry
[6:52 AM] [NRV3] Erch Vinto: im more of this blobbish thing
[6:52 AM] [NRV3] Jin Feng: Storm trooper?
[6:52 AM] [NRV3] Erch Vinto: nah.. this fat and angry blob of fat
[6:53 AM] [NRV3] Jin Feng: Jabba is that you?
[6:53 AM] [NRV3] Erch Vinto: on my mindset, i think so
[6:53 AM] [NRV3] Jin Feng: Lol
[6:53 AM] [NRV3] Erch Vinto: just watched that 1 time
[6:53 AM] [NRV3] Erch Vinto: so im not sure
[6:53 AM] [NRV3] Erch Vinto: not a starwars fan
[6:54 AM] [NRV3] Jin Feng: Boooooo
[6:54 AM] [NRV3] Erch Vinto: star trek :heart:
[6:56 AM] [NRV3] Jin Feng: https://goo.gl/images/6Aw5HI
[6:56 AM] [NRV3] Erch Vinto: :smile:
[7:59 AM] [POD.R] Matthew O'Hearn: I like the Enterprise one of star trek the best
[8:00 AM] [POD.R] Matthew O'Hearn: Some people say it was bad but I thought it was the best one
[8:00 AM] [FWORT] sense: YOUE FACE IS AN ENTERPRISE
[8:00 AM] [POD.R] Matthew O'Hearn: It travels the far reaches of space? exploring unknown words? making first contact with alien races?
[8:01 AM] [POD.R] Matthew O'Hearn: Owh wait I haven't spoken to COCKA hold on let me slip my way into your TS
[8:01 AM] [FWORT] sense: *finding the ban button!!
[8:09 AM] [Breve] Diosita Manfredi: O/
[8:26 AM] [Breve] Diosita Manfredi: So going delve huh :sunglasses:
[8:28 AM] [NRV3] Erch Vinto: breve is leaving too ? :frowning:
[8:28 AM] [Breve] Diosita Manfredi: Nope
[8:28 AM] [Breve] Diosita Manfredi: Not for now
[8:29 AM] [POD.R] Matthew O'Hearn: We're going to Fake Delve
[8:29 AM] [Breve] Diosita Manfredi: They want us un cr killing Braves
[8:29 AM] [Breve] Diosita Manfredi: Where is fake delve excuse me omo
[8:29 AM] [Breve] Diosita Manfredi: O.o
[8:29 AM] [POD.R] Matthew O'Hearn: no  wait it's called Fake Querious https://zkillboard.com/kill/56494990/
Sansha Control Tower Small | Concordiat | Killmail
(Concordiat) lost their Sansha Control Tower Small in 6ON-RW (Cloud Ring). Final Blow by Malcanis (Vanishing Point.) flying in a Oracle. Total Value: 151,364,249.46 ISK

[8:30 AM] [POD.R] Hazy Cloud: surprise pos bash?
[8:31 AM] [Breve] Diosita Manfredi: Oo i would like to visit xD
[8:32 AM] [Breve] Diosita Manfredi: Fake delve o.o
[8:32 AM] [NRV3] Erch Vinto: haha the bombing run on the tower
[8:32 AM] [NRV3] Erch Vinto: :smile:
[8:33 AM] [Breve] Diosita Manfredi: Where is fake delve :sunglasses:
[8:33 AM] [NRV3] Erch Vinto: its on the next system, turn right, fly ahead to the next gate and jump
[8:33 AM] [NRV3] Erch Vinto: ;D
[8:34 AM] [Breve] Diosita Manfredi: Oo Will go to visit u guys xD
[8:35 AM] [POD.R] Matthew O'Hearn: xD
[8:36 AM] [POD.R] Hazy Cloud: http://puu.sh/tsXCU/8ed0767d8b.png

[8:44 AM] [Breve] Diosita Manfredi: Oo Nice going to check later , because  going to work atm(edited)
[8:45 AM] [Breve] Diosita Manfredi: Need to pay this service xD
[11:17 AM] [Breve] Kanco Nova: hihi
[11:17 AM] [NRV3] Erch Vinto: o/
[11:18 AM] [Breve] Diosita Manfredi: Hello kanco loser
[11:19 AM] [POD.R] Hazy Cloud: o/
[11:19 AM] [POD.R] Rmtread: o/
[11:19 AM] [POD.R] yeranumpty: o/
[11:19 AM] [Breve] Diosita Manfredi: And ppl lol
[1:10 PM] Sister Bliss: Guys.
[1:11 PM] Sister Bliss: I've just skim-read a lot of the stuff in here which is being posted by Matt and I am not happy. @[POD.R] Matthew O'Hearn you have a lot to answer for in spreading disinformation and false statements. I am not going to go through each and every one right now as I am currently on holiday, but almost all of the statements I am seeing up above are partially if not wholly inaccurate or misleading which sheds a bad light on the alliance.(edited)
[1:12 PM] Sister Bliss: The fact that this Discord exists to begin with after I explicitly asked everyone to be on one coms channel so we could all act as one community is a further example of the issues you have continued to create by trying to create a seperate construct.
[1:18 PM] Sister Bliss: I will be happy to read the history above and address each and every point when I am back from holiday, but I am not going to tolerate any individuals or corps who are spreading misinformation to damage the alliance.
[1:18 PM] Sister Bliss: If anyone has any concerns or issues then you can PM me any time.
[1:18 PM] Sister Bliss: (please do so on alliance Slack, this Discord is unofficial and not supported)
[1:23 PM] Sister Bliss: I also want to reinforce the position that IM and INIT. are one and the same family and have the same leadership structure, direction and strategy. There is no difference aside from the ticker. I feel like I have opened pandoras box in reading about all sorts of stuff which is absolutely shocking.
[1:29 PM] Sister Bliss: Right now though, I have to go to the bar and enjoy my last days holidays.
[1:32 PM] Sister Bliss: @channel For all the POD guys, it's been a real pleasure to have you guys on board, but reading the stuff Matt is posting above, I have no alternative other than to kick your corp immediately from IM before any further damage to our community is done. The trust I put in has been completely undermined. I will arrange blue standings so you get all your assets out.
[1:35 PM] [POD.R] yeranumpty: :frowning: wow
[1:37 PM] Pando: let me start to set something right here: https://i.gyazo.com/c6def7f668687f6a90cebdbf48fe42ce.png
When i approached matt i only told him that ratting alts are fine but mainchars need to be ready for fights and its the wrong time to panic and think about ratting... if you guys want to tell me we never treated IM pilots with respect i really dont know what to say here other then gtfo

[1:37 PM] Pando: btw. pulse fiction is just a member of vanis
[1:38 PM] Pando: i obviously dont know what he said but it sure shouldnt matter in a discussion like this as hes not a leadership guy
[1:42 PM] Pando: super disappointed
[1:42 PM] Pando: o7
[1:44 PM] Sister Bliss: One final thing before I head to bar as I imagine there will be a shitstorm, if anyone has any issues or feels like they are no being treated fairly in the alliance because they have an IM ticker, come to me and get it resolved. Reading the above swathes of stuff from Matt which only continues to make matters worse will never help especially where it is factually incorrect. For all the POD.R guys and gals who are innocents in this whole mess, I'm sorry things are working out this way. We will make sure you get your assets out regardless what you choose to do in future. It was a pleasure flying with you.(edited)