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  1. [2011-12-25 00:00:22] <Ironybot> She certainly seemed to respond well to us. Contacts++.
  2. [2011-12-25 00:00:37] <Grail> I can't imagine why she wouldn't.
  3. [2011-12-25 00:00:55] <Ironybot> On the other hand, Winter bloodline, godling bonus, cannibal bonus, just gave her a very valuable Artifact... we had the deck kind of stacked in our favor.
  4. [2011-12-25 00:01:05] <Grail> Exactly my thoughts.
  5. [2011-12-25 00:01:25] <Grail> There are very few supernaturals that Armas doesn't or won't have a bonus towards.
  6. [2011-12-25 00:01:56] <Ironybot> Anything non-divine, non-Winter, non-Summer, non-cannibalistic.
  7. [2011-12-25 00:02:06] <Ironybot> Which... is actually a pretty small cross-section.
  8. [2011-12-25 00:02:14] <Grail> The Mere will presumably provide Elder bonuses
  9. [2011-12-25 00:02:24] <Grail> Should we be unfortunate enough to cross an Elder being that is
  10. [2011-12-25 00:03:43] <TheBeardiestBob> She seemed to imply familiarity with soul binding and such.
  11. [2011-12-25 00:03:48] <TheBeardiestBob> My, that might be useful
  12. [2011-12-25 00:04:17] <Grail> Oh and Word Like Gold
  13. [2011-12-25 00:04:27] <Grail> Must make most supernaturals feel at ease
  14. [2011-12-25 00:04:39] <Guile> dunno if they can just tell that
  15. [2011-12-25 00:04:46] <Guile> although SM certainly seemed to
  16. [2011-12-25 00:04:49] <Grail> It's happened before
  17. [2011-12-25 00:08:03] <Ironybot> "And yes, I do prefer how it sounds... Kami. Rolls off the tongue, do you not agree?" I somehow find myself unable to locate the context for this line.
  18. [2011-12-25 00:08:51] <TheBeardiestBob> she keeps saying 'kami-touched' instead of 'godling' and she was answering the unasked question at the end of a blurb.
  19. [2011-12-25 00:09:18] <Ironybot> Ah.
  20. [2011-12-25 00:10:15] <Ironybot> I was also puzzled by the line "kami, that's Japanese for god, she said that probably on purpose" when she hadn't used the word "kami" yet at that point in the conversation.
  21. [2011-12-25 00:10:47] <Grail> Very useful contact overall
  22. [2011-12-25 00:11:01] <Grail> Soul binding AND internal flesh manipulation of the highest degree.
  23. [2011-12-25 00:11:05] <TheBeardiestBob> Wait... Dammit, I didn't structure that correctly then. ....Yet I am still sitting here.
  24. [2011-12-25 00:11:09] <TheBeardiestBob> Not fixing it.
  25. [2011-12-25 00:11:11] <TheBeardiestBob> And instead
  26. [2011-12-25 00:11:15] <TheBeardiestBob> choosing to play Shogun 2
  27. [2011-12-25 00:11:17] <TheBeardiestBob> Hm.
  28. [2011-12-25 00:11:46] <WaryObserver> Obviously presumption is part of her character.
  29. [2011-12-25 00:11:48] <Guile> yeah, and Armas probably shouldnt have used my line about mountains before discovering she was a yama uba
  30. [2011-12-25 00:11:56] <Guile> o well
  31. [2011-12-25 00:12:10] <Ironybot> Armas: Master of nonlinear thought patterns.
  32. [2011-12-25 00:12:57] <Grail> I wonder how she ranks among the bidders in terms of usefulness as a contact.
  33. [2011-12-25 00:13:11] <Ironybot> His innate talent for chaotic prophecy is obviously in fine form in this post, making him draw on conclusions he has not yet reached and statements not yet made to reach the optimal result.
  34. [2011-12-25 00:15:29] <TheBeardiestBob> Let's go with that spin on my overly drunken pondering through WOOOOORDS
  35. [2011-12-25 00:16:14] <Ironybot> Great. A few more drunken posts justified this way and we'll be able to claim a Trait out of it.
  36. [2011-12-25 00:16:44] <TheBeardiestBob> Yeah, that's about right
  37. [2011-12-25 00:17:14] <Guile> and Armas NEVER NOTICES he understands things subliminally before he does consciously
  38. [2011-12-25 00:17:19] <TheBeardiestBob> http://www.islamic-study.org/saint_catherine_monastery.htm
  39. [2011-12-25 00:18:29] <Guile> ah, how times change
  40. [2011-12-25 00:19:47] <WaryObserver> I don't get it.
  41. [2011-12-25 00:22:41] <Ironybot> Nikoyaka says "How Elvishly ambiguous" when we feed her a line of truths that don't actually say anything. Fucking elves. We need to avoid that kind of line in the future lest we taint our pure Goblin style with their filthy ways.
  42. [2011-12-25 00:23:20] <Ironybot> Not to sound at all biased...
  43. [2011-12-25 00:23:27] <Guile> of course
  44. [2011-12-25 00:23:30] <Grail> I want to haggle with an elf now
  45. [2011-12-25 00:23:47] <Grail> Just to see their faces when Armas pulls out his goblinic haggle-fu
  46. [2011-12-25 00:23:55] <Guile> Amen knows something of soul magic- but he doesnt have godly parts, does he?
  47. [2011-12-25 00:24:07] <Ironybot> His soul has godly parts. Not his body, so much.
  48. [2011-12-25 00:24:07] <Guile> so he may not know if the proposed binding works
  49. [2011-12-25 00:24:46] <Guile> my, my. Devil time.
  50. [2011-12-25 00:25:56] <Guile> and we still dont know whether we should deal in good faith, try and booby trap our gift, or just try and end him here and now
  51. [2011-12-25 00:27:48] <Ironybot> We haven't really worked out a decent plan. And there are still a couple fairly major outstanding issues that we can theoretically deal with at any time that we need to handle.
  52. [2011-12-25 00:28:39] <Ironybot> Specifically I'm thinking of investigating Amen's lies to us and adjusting his orders/bindings such that we can die without causing the Amenpocalypse.
  53. [2011-12-25 00:29:24] <Grail> Personally I'd rather not booby trap or attempt to murder him
  54. [2011-12-25 00:29:34] <Ironybot> Also, getting someone to convince Camella that we are an emotionally crippled man who meant to be sweet by laughing while shooting ourselves in the face in front of her.
  55. [2011-12-25 00:30:15] <Grail> We're messing with a ton of guest-right laws and accords presumably and those plans mostly involve heavy use of Amen
  56. [2011-12-25 00:30:20] <Guile> TT and a handful of others are pretty convinced the devil has it in for us personally, and will try again even if the Accorded deal falls pat
  57. [2011-12-25 00:31:06] <Grail> That segment of the channel often wants to kill allies and is suspicious of everyone around us usually.
  58. [2011-12-25 00:32:09] <WaryObserver> I just got a feeling that says the devil is going to arrive right afrter Armas puts his head down to sleep
  59. [2011-12-25 00:32:16] <Grail> We are dealing with a Devil however, bastard will try to screw with us as part of his nature, but the extent isn't something I'm aware of.
  60. [2011-12-25 00:32:33] <Ironybot> My prediction would be that the Devil will arrive precisely one week after we told it to show up in a week, down to the minute.
  61. [2011-12-25 00:32:48] <Ironybot> Though nothing actually stops it from showing up earlier.
  62. [2011-12-25 00:33:42] <Ironybot> It might have arranged for allies or scouts to precede it and back it up, since it's going to a known location at a known time; that seems like a fairly obvious precaution if it's got any manner of contacts at all.
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  64. [2011-12-25 00:39:20] <WaryObserver> Could we make a promise that prevents harm from Armas and Amen until the buisness is concluded Without actually inviting him in [Using clever word trickery], Having amen restrain him, conclude the buisness and then have SB shank him to death, or has this been deemed impossible?
  65. [2011-12-25 00:42:04] <Grail> I believe he has guest-right by default due to the nature of our deal.
  66. [2011-12-25 00:42:49] <Ironybot> Anything "by default" needs to be questioned in situations like this, though. The words are what matter, not their implications.
  67. [2011-12-25 00:42:51] <Grail> Though there's a good chance I'm recollecting something that was said here poorly.
  68. [2011-12-25 00:43:19] <WaryObserver> If that proves untrue, my plan has merit, yes?
  69. [2011-12-25 00:43:27] <Grail> Potentially.
  70. [2011-12-25 00:43:40] <Grail> It is like multiple other plans that involve Amen.
  71. [2011-12-25 00:43:45] <Grail> The wording matters
  72. [2011-12-25 00:44:04] <WaryObserver> Does it ever Not?
  73. [2011-12-25 00:44:08] <Grail> We can have eight different ideas for how to use him to end the devil and likely each has the capacity to work.
  74. [2011-12-25 00:44:19] <Grail> It's implementation that's key.
  75. [2011-12-25 00:47:04] <Grail> I'd write up the orders and check them against yourself or post them in the disc so other people can go over them.
  76. [2011-12-25 00:47:26] <Ironybot> From what I remember of the last time I tried to analyze our agreement with the demon, the only thing that we agreed to was to meet at our mansion to resolve the issue. So, we're both bound to resolve the issue at this meeting, I think; that's it. Manner not specified.
  77. [2011-12-25 00:47:49] <Ironybot> We implied a lot of things but not phrased in a binding fashion.
  78. [2011-12-25 00:49:46] <Grail> If the guest-right issue is resolved then that path gets a lot easier, I would have Einrik double check us though.
  79. [2011-12-25 00:50:34] <WaryObserver> I rue the day when Einrick comes-a-calling for a favor
  80. [2011-12-25 00:55:53] <Ironybot> Odds that Sake will have heard of The Smiling One, and possibly blow a fuse when we say she just told us to address her informally?
  81. [2011-12-25 00:56:26] <WaryObserver> Okay, It seems, by the wording, all we owe the devil is a soul. Likewise, there is no explicit invite in "if you look for me in my mansion in Istanbul in one week, then we will settle this matter.' And with Armas, Implications are worth dirt.
  82. [2011-12-25 00:56:44] <WaryObserver> Nor the rest of the post for that matter.
  83. [2011-12-25 00:57:31] <Ironybot> Do we explicitly say that we'll give him a soul?
  84. [2011-12-25 00:57:48] <WaryObserver> Holy goof
  85. [2011-12-25 00:57:50] <WaryObserver> No
  86. [2011-12-25 00:58:09] <WaryObserver> All that is definitive
  87. [2011-12-25 00:58:32] <WaryObserver> Is " if you look for me in my mansion in Istanbul in one week, then we will settle this matter"
  88. [2011-12-25 00:58:38] <WaryObserver> That it, that i can see.
  89. [2011-12-25 00:58:53] <Ironybot> Which... actually, is an "if" clause, meaning that the devil could just not show up and the whole thing's a wash.
  90. [2011-12-25 00:59:16] <WaryObserver> That could be a nice out
  91. [2011-12-25 00:59:24] <WaryObserver> Not like Bob though.
  92. [2011-12-25 00:59:47] <WaryObserver> Seems though, IF he show up, we can just killem
  93. [2011-12-25 00:59:54] <WaryObserver> That settles the matter
  94. [2011-12-25 00:59:57] <Ironybot> It would mean that the devil has learned about Amen or otherwise decided that it would be disadvantageous to encounter us at the mansion, and is planning a different encounter to accomplish its objectives.
  95. [2011-12-25 01:00:29] <WaryObserver> But then he would have no pull, it is dependant on him showing up In one week, at the mansion
  96. [2011-12-25 01:00:56] <WaryObserver> Doesn't mean he can't Browbeat us into another deal whilst we are on a job though
  97. [2011-12-25 01:01:19] <WaryObserver> That seems Devilish, dunnit?
  98. [2011-12-25 01:01:54] <Ironybot> Then he would have no pull? What pull does he have right now to lose?
  99. [2011-12-25 01:02:17] <WaryObserver> Good point
  100. [2011-12-25 01:02:44] <WaryObserver> Coercion into another seperate deal Seems more likely now.
  101. [2011-12-25 01:02:47] <Ironybot> Only that we're bound to settle the matter- which we will still be forced to agree to do at any later point if we encounter him again, since it's not like his contract logic against us weakens with time passing.
  102. [2011-12-25 01:03:23] <WaryObserver> ", if you look for me in my mansion in Istanbul in one week, then we will settle this matter' One week is a time clause.
  103. [2011-12-25 01:03:36] <WaryObserver> I think.
  104. [2011-12-25 01:04:10] <Ironybot> It is a time clause, but the original logic that made us say that in the first place, his transfer of responsibility to us- it's not at all contingent upon anything we agreed being fulfilled.
  105. [2011-12-25 01:05:09] <Ironybot> The logic still leaves us owing him, by his rules, no matter if it's today, a week from today, or a century from today, and the Bargain that we made doesn't actually affect that debt in any fashion whether the if clause is fulfilled or not.
  106. [2011-12-25 01:05:30] <Ironybot> So basically he loses nothing at all by not showing, and risks the dangers inherent in letting us set the time and place of our meeting- after he knows that we honestly told him we could get him a new arm, and therefore we've got exceedingly powerful connections we can potentially call upon.
  107. [2011-12-25 01:07:14] <WaryObserver> Just a Hypoth, but doesn't that mean we can only settle the buisness today? responsible or not.
  108. [2011-12-25 01:08:30] <WaryObserver> Could hurt our WoGold not that I think about it
  109. [2011-12-25 01:12:24] <Ironybot> No, we can settle the business at any later point; saying "if X, then Y" doe not imply "if not X, then not Y".
  110. [2011-12-25 01:14:35] <TheBeardiestBob> I currently have actual Stilton cheese again
  111. [2011-12-25 01:14:37] <TheBeardiestBob> So happy
  112. [2011-12-25 01:16:20] <Ironybot> Congratulations.
  113. [2011-12-25 01:16:47] <WaryObserver> Looking over the deal again, i'm becoming very confused if we actually agreed to anything
  114. [2011-12-25 01:17:20] <WaryObserver> Other than Settling the matter.
  115. [2011-12-25 01:21:04] <WaryObserver> Well, one things for sure: Armas has wiggle room
  116. [2011-12-25 01:21:45] <Grail> But then again so does the Devil.
  117. [2011-12-25 01:24:47] <WaryObserver> Deciding that that Armas has reconsidered Would settle the matter, wouldn't it? legally un-bound- Well, other than never being able to leave the mansion without looking up for angry devils.
  118. [2011-12-25 01:25:37] <Ironybot> Deciding that Armas has reconsidered... what, exactly?
  119. [2011-12-25 01:26:05] <WaryObserver> Deciding not to take responsibility for the debt
  120. [2011-12-25 01:26:10] <WaryObserver> Not buying it rather
  121. [2011-12-25 01:26:52] <WaryObserver> The word "This" in the deal could be easily argued to relate to the deal itself
  122. [2011-12-25 01:27:17] <WaryObserver> Which, by the way, Isn't actually defined definitively
  123. [2011-12-25 01:27:58] <WaryObserver> Deal meaning the deal to buy the debt, by the way
  124. [2011-12-25 01:30:25] <Ironybot> Unfortunately, while this is an interesting topic of discussion I find myself insufficiently rested to give it the attention it deserves. And as I will be traveling quite a bit over the next few days, I don't think I'll be adequately weighing in on this before the devil shows up, if it indeed does.
  125. [2011-12-25 01:32:27] <WaryObserver> Unfortunate indeed, so I shall wish you safe travel. And adequate rest.
  126. [2011-12-25 01:33:00] <Grail> Goodnight Irony.
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  133. [2011-12-25 17:19:33] <Arkshortlyhere> hey
  134. [2011-12-25 17:19:55] <Arkshortlyhere> Guile: i heard you said stag was mythic? any confirmation on that?
  135. [2011-12-25 17:20:03] <PriceisMagic> Hello
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  154. [2011-12-25 18:03:45] <Dart666> http://www.cracked.com/article_19585_6-real-acts-self-defense-too-awesome-action-movie.html
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  156. [2011-12-25 18:29:01] <Guile> and no Ark, dont look at me on that. Could be I guess
  157. [2011-12-25 18:29:09] <LittleRedRidingWitch> ...?
  158. [2011-12-25 18:29:10] <Guile> White Stag is a pretty powerful symbol in many stories
  159. [2011-12-25 18:29:29] <Arkboring> Ok, so there has been no definite confirmation
  160. [2011-12-25 18:32:13] <Abeo> Do we even have a working definition of what a "mythic" spirit animal is?
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  162. [2011-12-25 18:33:50] <Guile> not really
  163. [2011-12-25 18:34:30] <Guile> 'mythic' animals like hydras and phoenixes seem to comprise the majority, but I think someone said there might be a way to get our hummingbird up to mythic level
  164. [2011-12-25 18:34:50] <Guile> basically, its a catch-all for animals so badass they swell up and take over all our 'slots' for binding spirit animals
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  166. [2011-12-25 18:36:06] <ManOfSleepOhMyGodHowLongHasItB> Why are we still talking about our missing stag-troll?
  167. [2011-12-25 18:36:34] <Abeo> Right, but some people seem to think that all creatures from "myths" somehow qualify
  168. [2011-12-25 18:36:48] <Abeo> I, personally, do not
  169. [2011-12-25 18:39:37] <Guile> I love that cracked article. Armas should show up randomly to foil crime (possibly dressed in spandex outfit with a big 'A' on his chest) more often
  170. [2011-12-25 18:39:50] <Arkboring> ManOfSleepOhMyGodHowLongHasItB: because it was awesome
  171. [2011-12-25 18:40:47] <Abeo> I concur. Foiling crime would be good chuckles.
  172. [2011-12-25 18:41:21] <Abeo> Especially if he follows it up with some agressive haggling over what he deserves as a reward. Cause he's a dick like that.
  173. [2011-12-25 18:41:57] <ManOfSleepOhMyGodHowLongHasItB> Itr was, Arkus. But...why did we take the little birdy thing and not our trollstag!
  174. [2011-12-25 18:41:58] <Guile> so true
  175. [2011-12-25 18:42:06] <PriceisMagic> "Did you hear about that douche bag going around stopping crime then demanding a reward?
  176. [2011-12-25 18:42:07] <Guile> "So... how much is your life worth to you?"
  177. [2011-12-25 18:42:23] <PriceisMagic> "*
  178. [2011-12-25 18:42:26] <Guile> Then he leaps skywards and uses hummingbird speed to bounce from building to building and away
  179. [2011-12-25 18:42:55] <Guile> Armas is flexible and in good enough shape that he could probably learn parkour in an hour
  180. [2011-12-25 18:43:08] <PriceisMagic> Wouldnt he be to big?
  181. [2011-12-25 18:43:33] <Guile> he's big, but he's also at the level of a fledgling contortionist
  182. [2011-12-25 18:43:42] <PriceisMagic> Really?
  183. [2011-12-25 18:43:46] <PriceisMagic> Huh
  184. [2011-12-25 18:43:47] <Abeo> Also, superpowers.
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  186. [2011-12-25 18:43:52] <Shifter20> There is no such thing as too big, just too weak...
  187. [2011-12-25 18:43:57] <Guile> yep. on his Finland trip, he gained 270% increase in flexibility
  188. [2011-12-25 18:44:00] <Arkboring> not 'fledging'
  189. [2011-12-25 18:44:04] <PriceisMagic> Wow
  190. [2011-12-25 18:44:13] <Abeo> So... can he felate himself?
  191. [2011-12-25 18:44:16] <Arkboring> Armlas is better than pretty much any contrortionist
  192. [2011-12-25 18:44:26] <PriceisMagic> I wounder how much stronger we've gotten, and how much more muscle weight we've gained...
  193. [2011-12-25 18:44:26] <Guile> If he could remove his lower two ribs with fleshcrafting, then yes
  194. [2011-12-25 18:44:35] <LittleRedRidingWitch> ............
  195. [2011-12-25 18:44:37] <Grail> Armas is in Bob's words a shit grade contortionist.
  196. [2011-12-25 18:44:38] <LittleRedRidingWitch> You guys...
  197. [2011-12-25 18:44:40] <LittleRedRidingWitch> seriously...
  198. [2011-12-25 18:44:41] <Abeo> that "lower rib" thing is bullshit, actually
  199. [2011-12-25 18:44:45] <LittleRedRidingWitch> Making us suck our own dick?
  200. [2011-12-25 18:44:45] <Arkboring> iirc he is like 97% of a maximum huma flexibility
  201. [2011-12-25 18:44:52] <Arkboring> Grail: really?
  202. [2011-12-25 18:44:53] <Arkboring> huh
  203. [2011-12-25 18:44:56] <LittleRedRidingWitch> Yeah, but the last 3% are a TOTAL BITCH to get
  204. [2011-12-25 18:44:59] <Grail> This is probably more due to lack of training than innate flexibility though.
  205. [2011-12-25 18:45:06] <Arkboring> ah, right
  206. [2011-12-25 18:45:11] <Guile> Price: I forget the exact numbers, but he gained lik 10% strength, 30% durability, and 270% flexibility
  207. [2011-12-25 18:45:17] <PriceisMagic> LittleRedRidingWitch: ಠ_ಠ
  208. [2011-12-25 18:45:17] <LittleRedRidingWitch> ^
  209. [2011-12-25 18:45:33] <Grail> I think the numbers for strength and durability were in the single digits.
  210. [2011-12-25 18:45:39] <PriceisMagic> Guile: Thanks
  211. [2011-12-25 18:45:44] <Guile> yeah, flexibility was huge compared to the others
  212. [2011-12-25 18:45:45] <LittleRedRidingWitch> 270% flexibility made me go wtf, til Bob said that we're at 97%
  213. [2011-12-25 18:45:52] <Arkboring> iirc, it was more like strength and durabilty were bove peak
  214. [2011-12-25 18:45:55] <Grail> We gained 270%
  215. [2011-12-25 18:46:05] <Arkboring> while the flexibility was WAY below when at the beginning of quest
  216. [2011-12-25 18:46:06] <Grail> Compared to what we were before
  217. [2011-12-25 18:46:13] <Arkboring> but Armas improved it incredibly
  218. [2011-12-25 18:46:14] <Grail> This is not a straight addition
  219. [2011-12-25 18:46:20] <Grail> But a measure of improvement
  220. [2011-12-25 18:46:24] <Guile> we must have been stiff as a board before
  221. [2011-12-25 18:46:29] <Arkboring> yeah
  222. [2011-12-25 18:46:49] <Abeo> I don't think he trained for it at all
  223. [2011-12-25 18:46:54] <LittleRedRidingWitch> If we go past human limits in Flexibility...
  224. [2011-12-25 18:46:57] <Arkboring> Well, he cheated
  225. [2011-12-25 18:46:58] <LittleRedRidingWitch> WEASEL WAR DANCE
  226. [2011-12-25 18:47:00] <LittleRedRidingWitch> WIGGLE WIGGLE
  227. [2011-12-25 18:47:01] <LittleRedRidingWitch> WIGGLE DEM BUTTS
  228. [2011-12-25 18:47:07] <PriceisMagic> no
  229. [2011-12-25 18:47:08] <Arkboring> eheheh
  230. [2011-12-25 18:47:11] <Arkboring> wiggle wiggle wiggle
  231. [2011-12-25 18:47:22] <Grail> If we get Armas look at pictures of impressive contortionist feats he will be inclined to train more for it
  232. [2011-12-25 18:47:33] <Arkboring> possibly, yes
  233. [2011-12-25 18:47:38] <Grail> No possibly
  234. [2011-12-25 18:47:40] <Grail> He will
  235. [2011-12-25 18:47:41] <Arkboring> Even if only for trolling purposes
  236. [2011-12-25 18:47:48] <Grail> Not*
  237. [2011-12-25 18:47:54] <LittleRedRidingWitch> Flexibility will tie in so fucking well with our stealth and dodging in melee
  238. [2011-12-25 18:48:02] <Guile> yes
  239. [2011-12-25 18:48:22] <Guile> more than pure strength, speed and flexibility is the way to go
  240. [2011-12-25 18:48:36] <Abeo> Also with looking like a scary motherfucker
  241. [2011-12-25 18:49:08] <PriceisMagic> So, are we going to do anything with 15K(?) worth of body armor?
  242. [2011-12-25 18:49:15] <Guile> what?
  243. [2011-12-25 18:49:20] <PriceisMagic> Or is it just goning to collect dust
  244. [2011-12-25 18:49:22] <Abeo> Contortionists wig me out
  245. [2011-12-25 18:49:28] <Grail> Improve it
  246. [2011-12-25 18:49:40] <Abeo> Give it to whatever russian wants it
  247. [2011-12-25 18:49:50] <Guile> yeah, I still wanna learn Lo Fang's durability charms and plaster our armor with it
  248. [2011-12-25 18:49:55] <Grail> The Russians are supposed to get some armored trench coats
  249. [2011-12-25 18:50:09] <PriceisMagic> I like the sound of that
  250. [2011-12-25 18:50:10] <Abeo> So it'd be a role-sepcific outfit
  251. [2011-12-25 18:50:12] <Grail> At least that's what Bob suggested
  252. [2011-12-25 18:50:21] <Guile> anyway, the armor we got is the lightest we could afford- the chestpiece is under 5 pounds, and bends like a motherfucker
  253. [2011-12-25 18:50:30] <Abeo> magic armored trenchcoats would be interesting....
  254. [2011-12-25 18:50:35] <PriceisMagic> Yup
  255. [2011-12-25 18:50:41] <Guile> with the shoulderpieces and groin protection its a little heavier, but not much
  256. [2011-12-25 18:50:53] <Guile> and the trenchcoat armor, of course, is likewise light
  257. [2011-12-25 18:51:01] <Guile> we SHOULD be wearing it
  258. [2011-12-25 18:51:15] <PriceisMagic> We're dumb like that
  259. [2011-12-25 18:51:28] <Guile> yeah, dudes like Doony can bash through it and BB can shoot through it, but it still disperses SOME impact/damage
  260. [2011-12-25 18:51:35] <Abeo> Lately we've been going to social engagements and ending up in free-for-alls
  261. [2011-12-25 18:51:45] <PriceisMagic> thats always fun
  262. [2011-12-25 18:51:46] <Grail> It's primarily for shrapnel and stray bullets at this point
  263. [2011-12-25 18:51:54] <Grail> All of our enemies carry hand cannons
  264. [2011-12-25 18:51:56] <Grail> All of them
  265. [2011-12-25 18:52:09] <Arkboring> yeah
  266. [2011-12-25 18:52:11] <Guile> unless we run into mooks like the triads/nazis/mafia
  267. [2011-12-25 18:52:14] <Arkboring> That's why armor is not the way to go
  268. [2011-12-25 18:52:20] <Arkboring> and regen is
  269. [2011-12-25 18:52:21] <Grail> It's a way to go
  270. [2011-12-25 18:52:23] <Guile> it doesnt hurt, since we already have it
  271. [2011-12-25 18:52:27] <Arkboring> as well as speed
  272. [2011-12-25 18:52:37] <Grail> We just need to make it better
  273. [2011-12-25 18:52:39] <Abeo> I'd prefer armor over regen, personally
  274. [2011-12-25 18:52:41] <Guile> and, come on, 5 pounds distributed evenly over our body?
  275. [2011-12-25 18:52:47] <Guile> thats NOTHING
  276. [2011-12-25 18:52:50] <PriceisMagic> Regenerating Lightweight flexible armor is the way to go
  277. [2011-12-25 18:52:56] <Abeo> my philosophy is that preventing injury is better than recovering from it
  278. [2011-12-25 18:53:03] <Grail> I think we can get Whaitiri to boon up our armor
  279. [2011-12-25 18:53:10] <Guile> particularly since our regen is currently energy inefficient
  280. [2011-12-25 18:53:11] <Abeo> hmmm
  281. [2011-12-25 18:53:14] <Grail> Make it semi-organic regenerating armor
  282. [2011-12-25 18:53:19] <Arkboring> Abeo: the problem is that it feels like speed is bette for preventing damage
  283. [2011-12-25 18:53:30] <Grail> Cover the interior with some living lurk flesh to hide magical actions underneath it
  284. [2011-12-25 18:53:36] <Arkboring> And, well, flexibility should never be sacrificed
  285. [2011-12-25 18:53:43] <Abeo> Yeah, what if we could get armour that counts as our flesh, so that our regen would cover it?
  286. [2011-12-25 18:53:43] <Grail> Slap some tattoos on the Lurk's flesh
  287. [2011-12-25 18:53:46] <Arkboring> ahha nice
  288. [2011-12-25 18:53:49] <Guile> and if we get in with Riker, there's those interesting rumors of Dragon Scale armor beyond our mk.IV
  289. [2011-12-25 18:54:06] <Arkboring> Also, SB should be able to make us that ice armor
  290. [2011-12-25 18:54:06] <Arkboring> soonr or later
  291. [2011-12-25 18:54:07] <Grail> Toss on actual dragon scale when we get that
  292. [2011-12-25 18:54:14] <Arkboring> lol
  293. [2011-12-25 18:54:18] <PriceisMagic> Need to get real Dragon skin to put in our Dragon skin armor
  294. [2011-12-25 18:54:43] <Guile> SB takes x10 longer to create ice than Hillevi, but armor could be made beforehand
  295. [2011-12-25 18:55:01] <Guile> dragons regenerate via extreme fleshcrafting, not really superior defense-wise
  296. [2011-12-25 18:55:11] <Arkboring> Guile: currently yes, but keep in mind that if he knws EXACTLY what to do, it should be faster
  297. [2011-12-25 18:55:16] <Arkboring> also, with OG lessons
  298. [2011-12-25 18:55:24] <PriceisMagic> Also, find a way to turn it into a pseudo-power armor
  299. [2011-12-25 18:56:39] <Samar> if SB makes ice, could he mix something into it to cast a shadow?
  300. [2011-12-25 18:56:40] <Abeo> Stick tesla coils on it
  301. [2011-12-25 18:56:53] <Arkboring> Samar: yep
  302. [2011-12-25 18:56:58] <Samar> if we could get ice armor with a pocket of shadow, it could be an extra layer of teleport defense
  303. [2011-12-25 18:57:00] <Abeo> Steampunk the shit out of it
  304. [2011-12-25 18:57:01] <Samar> if something breaks through
  305. [2011-12-25 18:57:06] <Arkboring> bob talked about ice/shadow/bombs mixes
  306. [2011-12-25 18:58:00] <Arkboring> So, i wonder what kind of boost we would be able to get from hummingbird before its death
  307. [2011-12-25 18:58:34] <Guile> bob said it kinda mimicked Camella's Guts Determinator thing
  308. [2011-12-25 18:58:38] <PriceisMagic> Arkboring: huh?
  309. [2011-12-25 18:59:05] <Abeo> the month it lives before getting soul-sploded into a bond with us, using whatsherface's technique
  310. [2011-12-25 18:59:50] <PriceisMagic> so does that technique destroy it?
  311. [2011-12-25 18:59:57] <PriceisMagic> I'm a bit confused by it
  312. [2011-12-25 18:59:58] <Guile> armas has no idea
  313. [2011-12-25 19:00:26] <PriceisMagic> the whole soul-splod bit makes me think we destroy its intelligence
  314. [2011-12-25 19:00:32] <PriceisMagic> So we just get its power
  315. [2011-12-25 19:01:43] <Abeo> On that note actually, I found it interesting that she specifically mentioned tethering it "to the Kami-touched parts of your soul".
  316. [2011-12-25 19:01:44] <PriceisMagic> I'm also disappointed in the bloodheart idea
  317. [2011-12-25 19:02:04] <PriceisMagic> I mean, we're only 4 threads in and we've found a way to be nearly unkilable
  318. [2011-12-25 19:02:25] <Abeo> We are already hard to kill.
  319. [2011-12-25 19:02:43] <Abeo> Amen is the only real problem with our dying currently
  320. [2011-12-25 19:02:57] <PriceisMagic> yeah
  321. [2011-12-25 19:03:35] <Abeo> Of course, any dragon, and a shitton of other beings, could completely destroy us
  322. [2011-12-25 19:03:41] <PriceisMagic> Yeah
  323. [2011-12-25 19:03:53] <PriceisMagic> A shot to the head could kill us
  324. [2011-12-25 19:04:12] <Grail> Which is why I keep saying we need that metal deflecting charm
  325. [2011-12-25 19:04:29] <PriceisMagic> Damn power creep...
  326. [2011-12-25 19:04:31] <Grail> Which is perfect from keeping some random idiot from shooting us in the head
  327. [2011-12-25 19:04:51] <PriceisMagic> Restrict to only work for our head?
  328. [2011-12-25 19:04:57] <PriceisMagic> Make it more powerful
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  330. [2011-12-25 19:05:03] <Abeo> That wouldn't be a terrible idea
  331. [2011-12-25 19:05:16] <Abeo> head and spine, maybe
  332. [2011-12-25 19:05:19] <Grail> Restrict it to only lethal shots
  333. [2011-12-25 19:05:29] <Grail> Not like we care about bullets to the gut anymore
  334. [2011-12-25 19:05:38] <PriceisMagic> lethal shots and head/spine
  335. [2011-12-25 19:05:47] <PriceisMagic> Make it alot more powerful
  336. [2011-12-25 19:05:53] <LittleRedRidingWitch> Don't forget heart and groin too
  337. [2011-12-25 19:05:56] <Abeo> nah, don't need the locals if you've got the effect-based condition
  338. [2011-12-25 19:06:05] <Grail> Groin grows back
  339. [2011-12-25 19:06:09] <PriceisMagic> LRRW, we can heal our heart
  340. [2011-12-25 19:06:22] <PriceisMagic> The dragon proved that
  341. [2011-12-25 19:06:24] <Abeo> the dragon actually toasted part of our heart that one time
  342. [2011-12-25 19:06:29] <Abeo> ..ninja
  343. [2011-12-25 19:06:33] <PriceisMagic> : )
  344. [2011-12-25 19:07:04] <Grail> But yeah
  345. [2011-12-25 19:07:12] <PriceisMagic> So, who figured out the bloodheart thing?
  346. [2011-12-25 19:07:13] <Grail> Trade in the worthless bloodless restricted ritual charm
  347. [2011-12-25 19:07:15] <Abeo> as our summer bloodline improves it may be much harder to kill us with one shot
  348. [2011-12-25 19:07:24] <Grail> Get two ranged metal deflecting charms
  349. [2011-12-25 19:07:33] <PriceisMagic> two?
  350. [2011-12-25 19:07:36] <Grail> One restricted to lethal for us and the general one for Camella
  351. [2011-12-25 19:07:41] <PriceisMagic> Dont forget somthing for Camella!
  352. [2011-12-25 19:07:42] <Grail> They only cost the price of a Kameosa
  353. [2011-12-25 19:07:45] <PriceisMagic> Ah
  354. [2011-12-25 19:07:46] <PriceisMagic> Heh
  355. [2011-12-25 19:07:52] <Grail> Which was traded for info
  356. [2011-12-25 19:08:06] <Grail> Most of the cost came from using goblin resources to find and ship one to us
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  358. [2011-12-25 19:08:16] <PriceisMagic> should Camellas be desposible or reusable?
  359. [2011-12-25 19:08:21] <Guile> and no Price, we dont actually become unkillable with the Heart, its more like all the russians become as hard to kill as we are
  360. [2011-12-25 19:08:21] <PriceisMagic> Hi bob
  361. [2011-12-25 19:08:27] <PriceisMagic> Oh
  362. [2011-12-25 19:08:29] <Guile> and Irony, natch
  363. [2011-12-25 19:08:33] <PriceisMagic> that makes me feel better
  364. [2011-12-25 19:08:46] <Guile> and we become somewhat harder to kill if we draw on the vitality of the russians
  365. [2011-12-25 19:09:06] <PriceisMagic> Heh, make them run out of energy for shits n gggles
  366. [2011-12-25 19:09:30] <Abeo> We could totally trick the russians into swearing their souls to us
  367. [2011-12-25 19:09:38] <PriceisMagic> no
  368. [2011-12-25 19:09:40] <PriceisMagic> thats mean
  369. [2011-12-25 19:09:43] <Grail> Hey Bob
  370. [2011-12-25 19:09:45] <PriceisMagic> funny
  371. [2011-12-25 19:09:47] <PriceisMagic> but mean
  372. [2011-12-25 19:09:54] <Abeo> We wouldn't let them KNOW, obviously
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  374. [2011-12-25 19:11:03] <Arkboring> back
  375. [2011-12-25 19:11:11] <Grail> http://www.wimp.com/waterink/
  376. [2011-12-25 19:11:18] <Arkboring> Abeo: yes, i felt that bit about attaching it to our golding part intriguing
  377. [2011-12-25 19:11:26] <Arkboring> i think it could be a path to, later on, turn it mythic
  378. [2011-12-25 19:11:52] <Abeo> I figured it was just a way around the normal cap on the number of spirit animals
  379. [2011-12-25 19:11:58] <Abeo> or a larger cap anyway
  380. [2011-12-25 19:12:11] <Grail> Let's hear it
  381. [2011-12-25 19:12:14] <Abeo> what with gods having huge numbers of servile spirits bound to them and all
  382. [2011-12-25 19:12:16] <Arkboring> .... possibly
  383. [2011-12-25 19:12:24] <Arkboring> She does say 'knowing what i know'
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  386. [2011-12-25 19:14:06] <Arkboring> :-(
  387. [2011-12-25 19:14:16] <Arkboring> oh, a sneaky bob
  388. [2011-12-25 19:14:21] <Arkboring> arriving while i am pinging out
  389. [2011-12-25 19:14:29] <Abeo> Honestly, I'm not sure why so many people are hung up on the idea of getting a mythic spirit animal
  390. [2011-12-25 19:14:40] <Grail> http://www.wimp.com/touchdownflip/
  391. [2011-12-25 19:15:01] <Arkboring> Abeo: we have no idea how potent the boost would be, yes
  392. [2011-12-25 19:15:14] <Grail> The given example for the kind of boost you get is pretty amazing
  393. [2011-12-25 19:15:17] <PriceisMagic> Abeo; Because they are obscenely powerful?
  394. [2011-12-25 19:15:26] <Grail> Little Bear can/will allow Big to open any locked door.
  395. [2011-12-25 19:15:32] <Grail> That's crazy
  396. [2011-12-25 19:15:37] <Arkboring> The advantage we have, as a inner soul manipulatore, is that we can 'switch' power distribution between spiirt animals
  397. [2011-12-25 19:15:37] <Abeo> wut
  398. [2011-12-25 19:15:38] <Grail> That's a daedric artifact in skyrim
  399. [2011-12-25 19:15:51] <Arkboring> lol grail
  400. [2011-12-25 19:15:56] <Abeo> is... is that how he ended up in the NN?
  401. [2011-12-25 19:15:58] <Arkboring> opening doors... not sure if it's any good
  402. [2011-12-25 19:16:01] <Grail> I don't know
  403. [2011-12-25 19:16:04] <Arkboring> unless it's conceptual doors too
  404. [2011-12-25 19:16:08] <PriceisMagic> HOW does a BEAR pick locks?
  405. [2011-12-25 19:16:12] <Abeo> That sounds like a hack into Borders territory
  406. [2011-12-25 19:16:15] <PriceisMagic> I mean really
  407. [2011-12-25 19:16:15] <Grail> Don't ask
  408. [2011-12-25 19:16:17] <Arkboring> yeah, it does
  409. [2011-12-25 19:16:19] <Grail> Just don't
  410. [2011-12-25 19:16:45] <Samar> with its bear hands?
  411. [2011-12-25 19:16:50] <Abeo> dohoho
  412. [2011-12-25 19:17:08] <PriceisMagic> Samar: Hahahahaha I will kill you for that
  413. [2011-12-25 19:17:09] <Grail> But yeah when you reach that level of crazy with just locks imagine what an insane person like Armas could get our Hummingbro to evolve into.
  414. [2011-12-25 19:17:13] <Arkboring> It's interesting though, it does seem BC made both Dirt Snake and little bear 'temporary mythic' with his hydra stuff
  415. [2011-12-25 19:17:37] <Grail> It's got physics hacking powers as a base
  416. [2011-12-25 19:17:38] <Abeo> I know up north, it is pretty common for residents to have their doors/windows covered with boards completely covered in nails pointing outwards
  417. [2011-12-25 19:17:41] <Abeo> to keep the bears out
  418. [2011-12-25 19:17:58] <PriceisMagic> huh
  419. [2011-12-25 19:18:19] <Abeo> otherwise the polar bears just smash in your fucking door and eat all your peanutbutter
  420. [2011-12-25 19:18:21] <Arkboring> Iirc, the 'mythic' power is a representation of its life
  421. [2011-12-25 19:18:31] <Arkboring> so our hummingbird's would be pretty crazy
  422. [2011-12-25 19:18:41] <Arkboring> it should probably be determinator-like powers
  423. [2011-12-25 19:18:47] <Dart666> http://www.cracked.com/article_19585_6-real-acts-self-defense-too-awesome-action-movie.html
  424. [2011-12-25 19:18:52] <Grail> You know Big boasted he lives with an angry regenerating hydra in his gut
  425. [2011-12-25 19:19:03] <Grail> He probably shouldn't tell people that
  426. [2011-12-25 19:19:10] <PriceisMagic> Maybe
  427. [2011-12-25 19:19:10] <Arkboring> He really shouldn't
  428. [2011-12-25 19:19:17] <PriceisMagic> But why?
  429. [2011-12-25 19:19:19] <Arkboring> It's funny how Armas is supposed to be the freak of nature
  430. [2011-12-25 19:19:23] <Grail> That sounds like a quick way for an amateur blood/flesh crafter to fuck with him
  431. [2011-12-25 19:19:30] <Abeo> Cause some may be inclined to remove it for themselves?
  432. [2011-12-25 19:19:31] <Arkboring> When BC does do things that are even more foolish that Armas'
  433. [2011-12-25 19:19:46] <Abeo> He learned it from us!
  434. [2011-12-25 19:19:52] <Abeo> We are good teachers.
  435. [2011-12-25 19:19:53] <PriceisMagic> He doesnt even use the hydra for its regen does he?
  436. [2011-12-25 19:19:59] <Grail> Nope
  437. [2011-12-25 19:20:05] <Arkboring> Nah, armas is a spoonge
  438. [2011-12-25 19:20:05] <PriceisMagic> What a tool
  439. [2011-12-25 19:20:07] <Arkboring> not a teacher
  440. [2011-12-25 19:20:16] <Grail> I kind of wonder if it's like a giant fucking ring worm
  441. [2011-12-25 19:20:21] <Abeo> We inspired him to his foolishness
  442. [2011-12-25 19:20:24] <Grail> And when we meet him again he'll be all skinny
  443. [2011-12-25 19:20:28] <Arkboring> lol
  444. [2011-12-25 19:20:33] <Arkboring> Skinny crazy
  445. [2011-12-25 19:21:12] <Grail> Big Crazy still hasn't reached our level though
  446. [2011-12-25 19:21:14] <Grail> Sure
  447. [2011-12-25 19:21:18] <Abeo> I want Amras and Big Crazy to have a gun fight using 9mm pistols.
  448. [2011-12-25 19:21:20] <Grail> He has a crazy monster in his belly
  449. [2011-12-25 19:21:30] <PriceisMagic> Abeo: Why?
  450. [2011-12-25 19:21:32] <Abeo> It would be hilariously inneffective.
  451. [2011-12-25 19:21:33] <PriceisMagic> He would win
  452. [2011-12-25 19:21:38] <Grail> And he has to reapply a charm thing to himself every day or die
  453. [2011-12-25 19:21:46] <PriceisMagic> We have a limit to our regen energy
  454. [2011-12-25 19:21:51] <PriceisMagic> His toughness doesnt
  455. [2011-12-25 19:21:57] <Abeo> He'd have a limit to his ammo
  456. [2011-12-25 19:21:57] <Guile> Armas and Big high-five, having both joined the 'scary too-lean predator-looking' club
  457. [2011-12-25 19:22:16] <PriceisMagic> then he could beat our ass into the ground
  458. [2011-12-25 19:22:21] <Abeo> We aren't too far from stopping small calliber arms fire with our chakras either
  459. [2011-12-25 19:22:30] <Abeo> We could do it within a week, easy
  460. [2011-12-25 19:22:35] <PriceisMagic> He could lift a SUV without breaking a sweet
  461. [2011-12-25 19:22:49] <Grail> We should get the spider silk skin and some sort of augmented bonework
  462. [2011-12-25 19:23:14] <PriceisMagic> spider silk skin: That always creeps me out
  463. [2011-12-25 19:23:21] <Grail> It goes under our real skin
  464. [2011-12-25 19:23:22] <Abeo> sounds creepy
  465. [2011-12-25 19:23:46] <Grail> Sure it's creepy
  466. [2011-12-25 19:23:53] <Arkboring> i do remember bob saying he gave them BB because of how crazy they were
  467. [2011-12-25 19:24:05] <Grail> But I'm willing to go a little creepy to stop pretty much any mundane gunfire
  468. [2011-12-25 19:24:16] <Abeo> Chakras though
  469. [2011-12-25 19:24:26] <Abeo> Though I guess they'd stack
  470. [2011-12-25 19:24:33] <PriceisMagic> But the spider silk in our Armor
  471. [2011-12-25 19:24:38] <Guile> I know spider silk has the tensile strength of steel, but does it disperse high-speed impacts?
  472. [2011-12-25 19:24:40] <PriceisMagic> Put*
  473. [2011-12-25 19:24:52] <PriceisMagic> Guile: Dont think so
  474. [2011-12-25 19:24:55] <Grail> The skin or straight silk?
  475. [2011-12-25 19:25:05] <Guile> well, I guess both could be pertinent
  476. [2011-12-25 19:25:17] <Grail> Because they whole idea of the skin is to graft it to people in the future to give them bullet protection
  477. [2011-12-25 19:25:26] <Grail> So I'd assume it works
  478. [2011-12-25 19:25:28] <PriceisMagic> Make our body absorb the impact with chakra?
  479. [2011-12-25 19:26:02] <Abeo> We can already make ourselves durable to take iron rods to the face
  480. [2011-12-25 19:26:09] <Abeo> *enough
  481. [2011-12-25 19:26:27] <PriceisMagic> We could do that already
  482. [2011-12-25 19:26:31] <PriceisMagic> It just hurt more
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  484. [2011-12-25 19:27:02] <Grail> So
  485. [2011-12-25 19:27:04] <Grail> I realize
  486. [2011-12-25 19:27:10] <PriceisMagic> ?
  487. [2011-12-25 19:27:21] <Grail> If we don't end up getting Savoy away from the Yakuza
  488. [2011-12-25 19:27:22] <Arkboring> suddnly, no one talking
  489. [2011-12-25 19:27:25] <Grail> And bending them towards our own ends
  490. [2011-12-25 19:27:34] <Grail> We can probably get Einrik to help us kill them
  491. [2011-12-25 19:27:41] <Grail> He hates mental manipulators
  492. [2011-12-25 19:27:48] <Grail> They are an entire clan of mental manipulators
  493. [2011-12-25 19:27:54] <PriceisMagic> Really?
  494. [2011-12-25 19:27:56] <PriceisMagic> Huh
  495. [2011-12-25 19:28:11] <Grail> Mental/Dream manipulators or something like that
  496. [2011-12-25 19:28:13] <Abeo> We should just roll in there with our two Valkonen's and wreck their shit
  497. [2011-12-25 19:28:48] <Abeo> Actually, Hillevi would probably be a liability against enemies with that powerset
  498. [2011-12-25 19:28:57] <Grail> As would we
  499. [2011-12-25 19:29:03] <Grail> Until we get some form of mental defense
  500. [2011-12-25 19:29:12] <Grail> Some people say Amen might work
  501. [2011-12-25 19:29:22] <TheBeardiestBob> Mini update
  502. [2011-12-25 19:29:27] <Grail> But I'm hesitant to have him as our shield against mind fucking
  503. [2011-12-25 19:29:28] <TheBeardiestBob> hoping to do a second one later tonight
  504. [2011-12-25 19:29:39] <TheBeardiestBob> so would really appreciate more alacritous posts than normal
  505. [2011-12-25 19:29:44] <Arkboring> :-(
  506. [2011-12-25 19:30:20] <Abeo> Our mental trait'd offer us some defense against mindfuckery
  507. [2011-12-25 19:30:43] <Abeo> So would our two brother and IT, probably
  508. [2011-12-25 19:30:55] <Grail> It's like Armas' stealth
  509. [2011-12-25 19:30:57] <Grail> And defense
  510. [2011-12-25 19:31:07] <Grail> He has a bunch of related tricks that come together to form a whole
  511. [2011-12-25 19:31:14] <Grail> But he doesn't really do the direct thing
  512. [2011-12-25 19:31:55] <PriceisMagic> going out, be back later
  513. [2011-12-25 19:32:11] <Grail> See you
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  515. [2011-12-25 19:35:04] <TheBeardiestBob> Joseph Greenstein's baseball bat is actually a magic item
  516. [2011-12-25 19:35:20] <TheBeardiestBob> It's an anti-Nazi Slugger
  517. [2011-12-25 19:35:57] <Arkboring> update
  518. [2011-12-25 19:35:57] <Grail> Can it knock a Nazi out of the park?
  519. [2011-12-25 19:36:22] <Grail> Like literally hit a Nazi with it and they would fly out of one?
  520. [2011-12-25 19:36:41] <Wutenheimer> ah, thanks ark
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  522. [2011-12-25 19:37:56] <TheBeardiestBob> Grail: funnily enough, if you hit a non-nazi, there is zero impact to the recipient
  523. [2011-12-25 19:38:03] <TheBeardiestBob> next time you hit a nazi, all those failed hits trigger
  524. [2011-12-25 19:38:05] <TheBeardiestBob> at once
  525. [2011-12-25 19:38:34] <Grail> Instant chunky salsa?
  526. [2011-12-25 19:38:39] <TheBeardiestBob> Can be.
  527. [2011-12-25 19:38:53] <TheBeardiestBob> A very gory game of duck duck goose
  528. [2011-12-25 19:39:00] <Grail> Oh that reminds me
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  530. [2011-12-25 19:39:04] <Grail> Who is the bigger bad ass
  531. [2011-12-25 19:39:05] <TheBeardiestBob> 'Duck... Duck... Duck... Du-WOAH!'
  532. [2011-12-25 19:39:06] <Grail> Mother Goose
  533. [2011-12-25 19:39:11] <TheBeardiestBob> 'Guess he was a Nazi.'
  534. [2011-12-25 19:39:15] <Grail> Or Anansi
  535. [2011-12-25 19:39:20] =-= Ark is now known as Arky
  536. [2011-12-25 19:39:20] <TheBeardiestBob> Hm.
  537. [2011-12-25 19:39:24] <TheBeardiestBob> That is a tough one.
  538. [2011-12-25 19:39:27] <Arky> mmh, did no one tak for a while?
  539. [2011-12-25 19:39:32] <Arky> or did i have connection problem?
  540. [2011-12-25 19:39:34] <Grail> Both stole a metric ton of over mythical creatures stories
  541. [2011-12-25 19:39:40] <Grail> And kept them as their own
  542. [2011-12-25 19:39:47] <Grail> Which is why people still know about them today
  543. [2011-12-25 19:40:00] <TheBeardiestBob> Are we saying in the event of a hypothetical fight between the two, or in the case of each one's portfolio being objectively compared, or what?
  544. [2011-12-25 19:40:03] <Grail> Basically two magical god/con artists who stole a bunch of belief
  545. [2011-12-25 19:40:32] <Grail> I don't really imagine them as direct combatants really, so the latter.
  546. [2011-12-25 19:40:51] <Grail> They seem like shadowy information broker types
  547. [2011-12-25 19:42:26] <TheBeardiestBob> In the latter, then I would tentatively say Mother Goose.
  548. [2011-12-25 19:42:44] <Abeo> Oh hey, I've got a question.
  549. [2011-12-25 19:42:53] <TheBeardiestBob> Her bonuses with children really help her out
  550. [2011-12-25 19:42:54] <Abeo> Are any of the knights of the round table still kicking around?
  551. [2011-12-25 19:43:01] <TheBeardiestBob> Yes Abeo, a few are.
  552. [2011-12-25 19:43:24] <Abeo> Hopefully Lancelot. We could go cruising for chicks together
  553. [2011-12-25 19:44:33] <TheBeardiestBob> Gawain should be avoided.
  554. [2011-12-25 19:44:43] <TheBeardiestBob> Never was the same after he killed his cousin by accident
  555. [2011-12-25 19:44:48] <ManOfSleepOhMyGodHowLongHasItB> Because he's a dick, or because he will smote us like never before?
  556. [2011-12-25 19:45:12] <TheBeardiestBob> and his cousin decided his way of being 'not cool bro' by ripping his soul apart and sticking his memories in Gawain
  557. [2011-12-25 19:45:27] <Abeo> that's... hilarious
  558. [2011-12-25 19:45:31] <TheBeardiestBob> drove him a bit mad, you see, to have the Weight of two truly impressive souls weighing on him.
  559. [2011-12-25 19:46:03] <Abeo> So I've noticed Armas doesn't really sleep much at all anymore
  560. [2011-12-25 19:46:41] <Grail> Might be due to our increasing magical saturation.
  561. [2011-12-25 19:46:49] <Abeo> probs
  562. [2011-12-25 19:46:54] <Grail> Though we do take a lot of naps
  563. [2011-12-25 19:47:06] <Abeo> It's a good thing really, let's us get more stuff done
  564. [2011-12-25 19:47:14] <Arky> Yeah
  565. [2011-12-25 19:47:18] <Grail> It's good to sleep though
  566. [2011-12-25 19:47:28] <Abeo> thogh now the Russians are tired of our bullshit
  567. [2011-12-25 19:47:29] <Arky> Can be useful, but it means we have to make more, better plansfor Amras to deal with his time
  568. [2011-12-25 19:47:43] <Arky> How strane
  569. [2011-12-25 19:47:54] <Arky> And somehow Alratan once again dominated our update
  570. [2011-12-25 19:47:56] <Arky> yay!
  571. [2011-12-25 19:47:58] <Abeo> Probably cause punching us in the face hurts now
  572. [2011-12-25 19:47:59] <Arky> Or no.
  573. [2011-12-25 19:48:02] <TheBeardiestBob> You know it's been proven a human can subsist indefinitely on 30 minutes of sleep a day? There is a small chance you will die while converting your body to the sleep methods needed for it to work-but multiple people have pulled it off.
  574. [2011-12-25 19:48:06] <Arky> lol Abeo
  575. [2011-12-25 19:48:11] <Arky> I loved how we invited them
  576. [2011-12-25 19:48:14] <Grail> Actually what if you stop sleeping, that has interesting applications for how one would interact with Dream magic.
  577. [2011-12-25 19:48:33] <ManOfSleepOhMyGodHowLongHasItB> So...Arkus is on MIB time?
  578. [2011-12-25 19:48:41] <TheBeardiestBob> Consider it from their perspective
  579. [2011-12-25 19:48:46] <TheBeardiestBob> At the start:
  580. [2011-12-25 19:48:48] <Arky> I think Armas should try to go on a Pranking planning session
  581. [2011-12-25 19:48:56] <TheBeardiestBob> 'Hey, this is kinda cool, actually down to earth with us-good stuff'
  582. [2011-12-25 19:48:59] <Abeo> I've gone weeks at a time with erratically placed naps consisting of no more than 4 hours a day before
  583. [2011-12-25 19:49:00] <TheBeardiestBob> Ten minutes in:
  584. [2011-12-25 19:49:09] <Abeo> But I was unemployed at the time so....
  585. [2011-12-25 19:49:30] <TheBeardiestBob> 'OKAY, this guy's not a normal human at all-fine, good practice for fighting supernaturals. At least we can survive making mistakes against him, learn not to make them.'
  586. [2011-12-25 19:49:34] <TheBeardiestBob> Two hours in:
  587. [2011-12-25 19:49:44] <TheBeardiestBob> 'You know, this is really improving my ability to work with these guys.'
  588. [2011-12-25 19:49:48] <TheBeardiestBob> Five hours in:
  589. [2011-12-25 19:49:59] <Arky> lolololol
  590. [2011-12-25 19:50:27] <TheBeardiestBob> 'Well, definitely feel more in agreement with the thought of 'never close range with a vampire. If Armas is any indication, barring luck I won't survive. About what my training taught me-still, good to know.'
  591. [2011-12-25 19:50:33] <TheBeardiestBob> Eight hours in:
  592. [2011-12-25 19:50:43] <TheBeardiestBob> 'You know... I really don't like how this guy fights.'
  593. [2011-12-25 19:50:48] <TheBeardiestBob> Eleven hours in:
  594. [2011-12-25 19:50:48] <Arky> heheh
  595. [2011-12-25 19:50:56] <Abeo> We are kinda a dick
  596. [2011-12-25 19:50:59] <TheBeardiestBob> 'OH GOD I WANT TO BREAK THAT STUPID SMIRK OFF HIS FACE!'
  597. [2011-12-25 19:51:01] <ManOfSleepOhMyGodHowLongHasItB> 'Kind of'.
  598. [2011-12-25 19:51:03] <ManOfSleepOhMyGodHowLongHasItB> What?
  599. [2011-12-25 19:51:05] <Arky> :D
  600. [2011-12-25 19:51:06] <ManOfSleepOhMyGodHowLongHasItB> No, we 'are at'.
  601. [2011-12-25 19:51:08] <ManOfSleepOhMyGodHowLongHasItB> 'are a'.
  602. [2011-12-25 19:51:09] <TheBeardiestBob> 'BUT I CAN'T GRAB HIM!'
  603. [2011-12-25 19:51:10] <Abeo> fine fine
  604. [2011-12-25 19:51:11] <TheBeardiestBob> 'FUCK!'
  605. [2011-12-25 19:51:17] <Grail> This is good
  606. [2011-12-25 19:51:19] <Arky> :D :D :D
  607. [2011-12-25 19:51:21] <Grail> We need to work on that
  608. [2011-12-25 19:51:24] <Grail> For our enemies
  609. [2011-12-25 19:51:24] <Abeo> We should try fighting them without goblin stealth use at all
  610. [2011-12-25 19:51:38] <Arky> They wouldbe so happy
  611. [2011-12-25 19:51:42] <Arky> Armas ribs won't, though
  612. [2011-12-25 19:51:59] <Arky> It might be worth trying, though
  613. [2011-12-25 19:52:06] <TheBeardiestBob> On that note: since you started to use Reinforcement:
  614. [2011-12-25 19:52:06] <Abeo> Of course, when we get to a certain point with our chakra training we'll be able to just stand in one place for the whole session
  615. [2011-12-25 19:52:12] <TheBeardiestBob> '...Is he wearing armor or something?'
  616. [2011-12-25 19:52:26] <ManOfSleepOhMyGodHowLongHasItB> I really wanna troll the norms at some day.
  617. [2011-12-25 19:52:28] <ManOfSleepOhMyGodHowLongHasItB> It'll be fun
  618. [2011-12-25 19:52:42] <Arky> At least we don't hit them with it
  619. [2011-12-25 19:52:47] <Abeo> I want to raid an enemy compound
  620. [2011-12-25 19:52:53] <Arky> How happy were they when Camella powned us?
  621. [2011-12-25 19:53:13] <Abeo> We burst through a brick wall at some point, because it's obligatory
  622. [2011-12-25 19:53:23] <Abeo> "OH YEAH!"
  623. [2011-12-25 19:54:31] <TheBeardiestBob> 3>Armas trips coming through the wall. They riddle him with bullets and turn him into a pile of gore.
  624. [2011-12-25 19:54:39] <TheBeardiestBob> 3>They stand there, wondering what the fuck just happened.
  625. [2011-12-25 19:54:43] <TheBeardiestBob> 3>You get back up.
  626. [2011-12-25 19:54:52] <TheBeardiestBob> 3"Okay granted I could have done that smoother-"
  627. [2011-12-25 19:55:09] <TheBeardiestBob> 3>Someone shoots you in the face. You regenerate with a disapproving frown.
  628. [2011-12-25 19:55:09] <ManOfSleepOhMyGodHowLongHasItB> Haha.
  629. [2011-12-25 19:55:10] <ManOfSleepOhMyGodHowLongHasItB> YES!
  630. [2011-12-25 19:55:11] <Arky> hehehe
  631. [2011-12-25 19:55:21] <TheBeardiestBob> 3"Now you know you shouldn't interrupt. That... was rude."
  632. [2011-12-25 19:55:22] <ManOfSleepOhMyGodHowLongHasItB> Hey. Cut that out.
  633. [2011-12-25 19:55:28] <Grail> I get a feeling Armas' sense of humor is going to just get more and more macabre after he starts dying regularly.
  634. [2011-12-25 19:55:32] <TheBeardiestBob> 3>Cue SB and Soul manip useage
  635. [2011-12-25 19:55:38] <TheBeardiestBob> 3"Where was I?"
  636. [2011-12-25 19:55:57] <Abeo> We need an intimidation trait focused around not giving a shit when we're hurt
  637. [2011-12-25 19:56:23] <Grail> I think we started building that already
  638. [2011-12-25 19:56:26] <Grail> After we got set on fire
  639. [2011-12-25 19:56:28] <Arky> Armas is well on his way to have a Intimidating smile trait
  640. [2011-12-25 19:56:31] <Grail> And did not give a single shit
  641. [2011-12-25 19:56:36] <Arky> I mean, even that cannibal was scared
  642. [2011-12-25 19:56:40] <ManOfSleepOhMyGodHowLongHasItB> But we don't give a shit when we're hurt. It's our stique - or whatever the yiddish is for that.
  643. [2011-12-25 19:56:41] <Abeo> I am still so happy about that
  644. [2011-12-25 19:56:58] <Abeo> schtick?
  645. [2011-12-25 19:57:22] <Arky> So, anyone has any idea for entertainning training for the russaisn?
  646. [2011-12-25 19:57:46] <Arky> what do you think of switching our style a bit- not use goblin stealth at all,, for one?
  647. [2011-12-25 19:58:19] <ManOfSleepOhMyGodHowLongHasItB> That's it, Abeo.
  648. [2011-12-25 19:58:52] <Wutenheimer> http://images.4chan.org/tg/src/1324859793996.jpg
  649. [2011-12-25 19:58:53] <ManOfSleepOhMyGodHowLongHasItB> Arkus, are you also suggestion we should start training in complete stealth by punching someone in the jaw without them knowing it's us?
  650. [2011-12-25 19:58:55] <Abeo> Yeah, definitely drop the dodging around if we're going to be training our chakra use
  651. [2011-12-25 19:59:38] <Abeo> wonderful, wit
  652. [2011-12-25 19:59:42] <Arky> We could also try to 'find' other chakra alignement, though that would take too long
  653. [2011-12-25 19:59:45] <Abeo> *wut
  654. [2011-12-25 20:00:37] <Abeo> I want to see if we can put chakra to use as an additional sensory apparatus
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  656. [2011-12-25 20:01:04] <Abeo> but focused on detecting objects that are going to touch us
  657. [2011-12-25 20:01:25] <Abeo> then try to fold that into the reinforcement timing
  658. [2011-12-25 20:01:49] <Arky> You know, we could try inviting Precision Guy over
  659. [2011-12-25 20:02:01] <Arky> For him to teach us stuff
  660. [2011-12-25 20:02:15] <Abeo> Oh bob, I had another question
  661. [2011-12-25 20:02:34] <Abeo> Remember you said that 5x Darkening would be a dangerous as Borders?
  662. [2011-12-25 20:02:48] <Abeo> Well... what would 5x Borders have been like?
  663. [2011-12-25 20:03:11] <Arky> Probably less dangerous than sami/romanov/border
  664. [2011-12-25 20:03:15] <Arky> because, lack of soul.
  665. [2011-12-25 20:03:21] <Arky> And we'd be able to find teachers
  666. [2011-12-25 20:04:11] <Grail> Probably equivalent in power to whatever the Yellow Emperor has going
  667. [2011-12-25 20:04:17] <Grail> Well not him
  668. [2011-12-25 20:04:26] <Grail> But the weakest possible version of whatever he does
  669. [2011-12-25 20:04:28] <Abeo> Speaking of Sami, I want to find out where those exiled dudes ended up
  670. [2011-12-25 20:04:43] <Abeo> It'd be great having some soul manip trainers in-house
  671. [2011-12-25 20:04:49] <Arky> Grail: his family are kind of Imperial Divine, so i doubt it would be as good as what the yahve
  672. [2011-12-25 20:05:07] <Arky> Abeo: yes
  673. [2011-12-25 20:06:02] <Abeo> Of course, I'm not really looking forward to explaining to them that "Oh hey I got your bloodline by eating some dude's heart"
  674. [2011-12-25 20:06:28] <Arky> going to rest a bit
  675. [2011-12-25 20:06:53] <Abeo> On the other hand, we can kick the shit out of anyone in the tribe save the chief, who is supposedly a super-badass
  676. [2011-12-25 20:07:26] <Grail> Aren't there like three dudes of theirs who could kick our ass?
  677. [2011-12-25 20:07:38] <Grail> I recall it being more than the chief
  678. [2011-12-25 20:07:50] <TheBeardiestBob> 4Why, if you wanted to find out about them it'd probably help to know their NAMES, and maybe CHECK WITH PEOPLE THAT ARE INFORMATION BROKERS. Or at least, that would seem the path Armas would be most innately inclined to realize, so far as I can tell.
  679. [2011-12-25 20:07:50] <Grail> But this was before we even had one bit of the bloodline complete
  680. [2011-12-25 20:08:21] <ManOfSleepOhMyGodHowLongHasItB> What? Armas using his brain power?
  681. [2011-12-25 20:08:27] <ManOfSleepOhMyGodHowLongHasItB> THE LIES YOU SPEAK, BOB!
  682. [2011-12-25 20:09:18] <TheBeardiestBob> 4IF you knew how to use your bloodlines, both of them, at journeyman levels, then there would be exactly one Sami shaman in that group who'd still be more likely to win than lose against you.
  683. [2011-12-25 20:09:29] <TheBeardiestBob> 4This becomes bullshit if you bind the hummingbird and get decent with it too.
  684. [2011-12-25 20:09:46] <Guile> Ugh, learning... do not want
  685. [2011-12-25 20:10:01] <Abeo> We are a terrible person....
  686. [2011-12-25 20:10:02] <TheBeardiestBob> 4What they expect to be a Sensor spirit being Assault-and they expect it to have the energy supply of a shot glass, and it's packing a pint?
  687. [2011-12-25 20:11:04] <TheBeardiestBob> 4That bird is an ASSHOLE to face as an external soul manipulator-it is dramatically different from the expectations you are taught to trust.
  688. [2011-12-25 20:11:11] <Guile> and then we pump it with all our energy, and the hummingbird becomes the size of an eagle
  689. [2011-12-25 20:11:21] <TheBeardiestBob> 4where spirit animals are concerned, at least.
  690. [2011-12-25 20:11:26] <Grail> An eagle with a spear for a beak
  691. [2011-12-25 20:11:41] <Grail> Mouth spears
  692. [2011-12-25 20:11:54] <Grail> The most terrifying of all natural weapons
  693. [2011-12-25 20:11:54] <Abeo> Oh wow, I guess it would be ridiculously difficult to subvert with soul-manip
  694. [2011-12-25 20:12:43] <TheBeardiestBob> 4With it's soul's background, yes it would be far harder to externally subvert once your spirit animal.
  695. [2011-12-25 20:13:03] <TheBeardiestBob> 4Not immutably resilient, but more than just 'notably' resistant.
  696. [2011-12-25 20:13:06] <Guile> people can subvert enemy spirit animals? is that a Sami thing?
  697. [2011-12-25 20:13:17] <TheBeardiestBob> 4it's an external soul manip thing
  698. [2011-12-25 20:13:19] <Guile> that would be an incredible dick move to do- Armas should learn it
  699. [2011-12-25 20:13:23] <Captain-Lightning> Merry Christmas
  700. [2011-12-25 20:13:47] <MrTT> hi
  701. [2011-12-25 20:13:47] <Guile> "Hey Big- guess who's playing for Team Armas now? Every part of you except the human!"
  702. [2011-12-25 20:13:49] <TheBeardiestBob> 4Spirit Animal subversion is not all THAT rare a thing to see attempted when two Spirit Animal users fight.
  703. [2011-12-25 20:13:54] <MrTT> happy hanuka
  704. [2011-12-25 20:13:58] <Abeo> Armas could probably fuck up BC's snake on intuition
  705. [2011-12-25 20:13:59] <TheBeardiestBob> 4Which isn't surprising, considering how much you gain on success.
  706. [2011-12-25 20:14:06] <Abeo> SB said it was a pretty fragile thing
  707. [2011-12-25 20:14:16] <Guile> or it was
  708. [2011-12-25 20:14:20] <Abeo> true
  709. [2011-12-25 20:14:22] <Guile> who knows how hydra Dirt Snake functions
  710. [2011-12-25 20:15:19] <TheBeardiestBob> 4Armas Trolling Side Quest: Bind as Spirit Animal, then ascend to Mythic status the hummingbird before BC's return to completely devalue his isolation training.
  711. [2011-12-25 20:15:26] <Abeo> Man, we need to become super awesome by the time BC shows up in Istanbul again
  712. [2011-12-25 20:15:32] <Abeo> lol
  713. [2011-12-25 20:16:08] <MrTT> I was thinking... with the little stunt that BB pulled everyone knows we are enemies of savoy now
  714. [2011-12-25 20:16:16] <Guile> It's not gay if only the spirit animals are touching
  715. [2011-12-25 20:16:20] <MrTT> We find info broker and ask all info, particularly bloodline powers, of savoy
  716. [2011-12-25 20:16:26] <MrTT> and a few of our other enemies which we advertise
  717. [2011-12-25 20:16:30] <Guile> well, they know 'an Armas' is enemies with 'a Savoy' because 'a Blackbeard' says so
  718. [2011-12-25 20:16:40] <Guile> okay, theres probably only one Blackbeard
  719. [2011-12-25 20:16:42] <MrTT> at one point we then ask for all info, particularly of bloodline and items, of a man called gleb romanov
  720. [2011-12-25 20:16:50] <Abeo> Although, Armas is pretty distinctive, if not widely known
  721. [2011-12-25 20:16:58] <MrTT> We might be able to research his bloodline and find its secrets
  722. [2011-12-25 20:17:04] <MrTT> without revealing we have it
  723. [2011-12-25 20:17:15] <Guile> if Og doesnt know Gleb's secrets, I doubt John Q. Infobroker will
  724. [2011-12-25 20:17:28] <MrTT> But he might know who does
  725. [2011-12-25 20:17:28] <Guile> we would need the fucking Shadow Broker
  726. [2011-12-25 20:17:34] <Abeo> Does Gleb know Gleb's secrets?
  727. [2011-12-25 20:17:48] <MrTT> there are about two dozen beings in the world who know them
  728. [2011-12-25 20:18:12] <MrTT> the broken might be able to direct us at someone that does know
  729. [2011-12-25 20:18:27] <Abeo> info costs money
  730. [2011-12-25 20:18:38] <Abeo> that kind of info might cost way way more than we've got
  731. [2011-12-25 20:19:01] <Guile> particularly since we might need to repeat the process as necessary until we find the right guy in the know
  732. [2011-12-25 20:19:05] <Abeo> it definitely costs more than I'm willing to spend
  733. [2011-12-25 20:19:36] <Abeo> We need a magical way of discretely carrying corpses around
  734. [2011-12-25 20:20:22] <Abeo> For feeding bloodcaps, and also leaving less evidence around the place
  735. [2011-12-25 20:20:37] <Grail> For evidence we can use the mere
  736. [2011-12-25 20:20:47] <Grail> For the red caps
  737. [2011-12-25 20:21:06] <Grail> Probably need something special
  738. [2011-12-25 20:22:06] <Abeo> I'm also wondering when/if we are planning on feeding Silja again
  739. [2011-12-25 20:22:52] <Abeo> Also, everything we plan seems to have a one month length to it
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  741. [2011-12-25 20:23:04] <Abeo> fixing the mere, one month.
  742. [2011-12-25 20:23:13] <Abeo> binding the bird, one month.
  743. [2011-12-25 20:23:29] <Abeo> When do we need to kill doony? within a month
  744. [2011-12-25 20:23:36] <Abeo> (roughly)
  745. [2011-12-25 20:23:42] <LittleRedRidingWitch> Because of our bet with Zosimus
  746. [2011-12-25 20:24:02] <Guile> a few weeks, I think
  747. [2011-12-25 20:24:22] <Abeo> we've only been back in town for what, 3, 4 days?
  748. [2011-12-25 20:25:08] <Grail> We can bind the bird now and use it's powers
  749. [2011-12-25 20:25:19] <Grail> It's just got a default month to live left if we bind it
  750. [2011-12-25 20:25:40] <Guile> and if we try, we could probably find a way to prolong its life
  751. [2011-12-25 20:25:57] <Guile> which may increase its magical saturation
  752. [2011-12-25 20:26:01] <TheBeardiestBob> 4and shortening that span to less than a month is exceedingly easy
  753. [2011-12-25 20:26:20] <LittleRedRidingWitch> ...the fuck did I miss.
  754. [2011-12-25 20:26:22] <LittleRedRidingWitch> and hello there bob
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  756. [2011-12-25 20:26:58] <Abeo> I kind of want to get a custom charm for the bird to let it survive our soul energy
  757. [2011-12-25 20:27:05] <NaiveOne> hola
  758. [2011-12-25 20:27:10] <LittleRedRidingWitch> ohai dere
  759. [2011-12-25 20:27:12] <Abeo> just because having a hummingbird constantly fly around us would be hilarious
  760. [2011-12-25 20:27:14] <LittleRedRidingWitch> Merry Christmas!
  761. [2011-12-25 20:27:15] <Grail> Hey Naive
  762. [2011-12-25 20:27:15] <NaiveOne> IM ON A PLANE BITCHES
  763. [2011-12-25 20:27:24] <Grail> Are there snakes?
  764. [2011-12-25 20:27:28] <Abeo> the... material plane?
  765. [2011-12-25 20:27:30] <Wutenheimer> merry christmas!
  766. [2011-12-25 20:27:34] <Wutenheimer> and hai naive
  767. [2011-12-25 20:27:40] <NaiveOne> brothers are like snakes
  768. [2011-12-25 20:27:44] <NaiveOne> so, yes.
  769. [2011-12-25 20:27:53] <Wutenheimer> dreamer.
  770. [2011-12-25 20:27:57] <NaiveOne> Im traveling back from Mexico >.>
  771. [2011-12-25 20:28:02] <Abeo> Oh, also the bird's charm would be, like, a tiny golden neckalce or something. So it'd be bring the bling
  772. [2011-12-25 20:28:02] <Wutenheimer> DREAMER.
  773. [2011-12-25 20:28:08] <Grail> You should have stabbed UU for us Naive
  774. [2011-12-25 20:28:09] <NaiveOne> so I can mayb e begin dreamer upon my return home
  775. [2011-12-25 20:28:12] <Grail> Right in the heart
  776. [2011-12-25 20:28:13] <LittleRedRidingWitch> the fuck I live in Mexico
  777. [2011-12-25 20:28:15] <NaiveOne> UU?
  778. [2011-12-25 20:28:17] <LittleRedRidingWitch> And fuck you grail
  779. [2011-12-25 20:28:25] <Grail> Just stabby stab
  780. [2011-12-25 20:28:27] <Wutenheimer> :D
  781. [2011-12-25 20:28:33] <NaiveOne> Ive had no internet in weeks yo >.>
  782. [2011-12-25 20:28:34] <Wutenheimer> o cant wait naive
  783. [2011-12-25 20:28:36] <Grail> You can do it Naive
  784. [2011-12-25 20:28:40] <LittleRedRidingWitch> Where did you go, Naive?
  785. [2011-12-25 20:28:43] <Grail> Just a little murder
  786. [2011-12-25 20:28:43] <Guile> you might've been able to do a twofer with shot in jamaica
  787. [2011-12-25 20:28:45] <Grail> For us
  788. [2011-12-25 20:28:48] <LittleRedRidingWitch> Which part did you visit?
  789. [2011-12-25 20:28:56] <NaiveOne> Also, may get cut off anytime
  790. [2011-12-25 20:29:31] <NaiveOne> It was Manzanilla
  791. [2011-12-25 20:29:58] <NaiveOne> the villiage mostyly
  792. [2011-12-25 20:30:05] <Abeo> A bunch of my coworkers went to Mexico for the holidays
  793. [2011-12-25 20:30:26] <NaiveOne> yeah, gonna lose internet in a few minutes
  794. [2011-12-25 20:30:30] <NaiveOne> but ill be back homke
  795. [2011-12-25 20:30:34] <NaiveOne> soon enough
  796. [2011-12-25 20:30:40] <NaiveOne> ad have internets
  797. [2011-12-25 20:30:51] <NaiveOne> excusy typing, turbulance >.>
  798. [2011-12-25 20:30:54] <TheBeardiestBob> 4Nice
  799. [2011-12-25 20:30:57] <LittleRedRidingWitch> Any of them visiting Cancun, Abeo?
  800. [2011-12-25 20:31:00] <Abeo> OH NO YOU'RE GOING TO CRASH
  801. [2011-12-25 20:31:06] <Abeo> I have no clue.
  802. [2011-12-25 20:31:17] <NaiveOne> I'll elaborate about it when I have internet again
  803. [2011-12-25 20:31:24] <Abeo> The mostly speak to eachother in Spanish and I don't speak it
  804. [2011-12-25 20:31:27] <NaiveOne> and catch up to Armas' misadventures
  805. [2011-12-25 20:32:00] <NaiveOne> Ill probably look at restarting Dreamer once I get a day or two to recover
  806. [2011-12-25 20:32:03] <Abeo> Also, I am but the lowly dishwasher and therefore beneath their notice or consideration. (this is an amazing thing)
  807. [2011-12-25 20:33:02] <NaiveOne> anyways, FELIZ NAVIDAD!
  808. [2011-12-25 20:33:12] <NaiveOne> or lucifer day, or other december holiday
  809. [2011-12-25 20:33:22] <LittleRedRidingWitch> Feliz Navidad y Prospero A;o Nuevo!
  810. [2011-12-25 20:33:34] <NaiveOne> smellz ya lata SNOTLINGS!
  811. [2011-12-25 20:33:44] <Grail> Good to hear from you again
  812. [2011-12-25 20:33:47] <Grail> See ya
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  814. [2011-12-25 20:34:36] <LittleRedRidingWitch> So uh...anything important Bob said that I missed out? PM me the logs
  815. [2011-12-25 20:34:42] <TheBeardiestBob> 4http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/3544485/Thieves-targeting-vans-on-council-estate-are-confronted-by-four-SAS-men-on-a-stakeout.html
  816. [2011-12-25 20:34:52] <Abeo> So, we got any orders for the devil?
  817. [2011-12-25 20:35:12] <Grail> http://www.thecoolhunter.net/images/caveice(1).jpg
  818. [2011-12-25 20:35:33] <Grail> http://www.thecoolhunter.net/images/caveice.jpg
  819. [2011-12-25 20:35:38] <Grail> Supposed to be that
  820. [2011-12-25 20:36:17] <TheBeardiestBob> 4http://www.metro.co.uk/news/32585-samurai-superhero-saves-cops
  821. [2011-12-25 20:36:18] <Grail> http://www.thecoolhunter.net/images/bora.jpg
  822. [2011-12-25 20:36:38] <Grail> Also I didn't know that the hotels in Dead Island were in China.
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  824. [2011-12-25 20:38:29] <Abeo> I still don't understand how that woman had so many diamonds
  825. [2011-12-25 20:41:58] <Grail> We should get those staffs that we had designed started soon
  826. [2011-12-25 20:43:36] <Guile> staffs?
  827. [2011-12-25 20:44:01] <Abeo> ?
  828. [2011-12-25 20:44:04] <Grail> Those multiuse anti-undead/fae/werewolf weapons.
  829. [2011-12-25 20:44:30] <Grail> If we're never going to get around to getting them their bonuses we might as well use the money towards them
  830. [2011-12-25 20:44:51] <Abeo> but giving them staffs?
  831. [2011-12-25 20:45:13] <Grail> Let me link the readout
  832. [2011-12-25 20:45:52] <Grail> http://mibpaste.com/qL1owA
  833. [2011-12-25 20:45:56] <Classhole> http://paste.ubuntu.com/782976/ (repasted for Grail)
  834. [2011-12-25 20:48:58] <Grail> But yeah, if we manage to deal with the devil then we need to deal with Doonongaes. Can't kill Blackbeard before doing that or before fixing the situation with Adelat and tracing where the information on us came from.
  835. [2011-12-25 20:51:19] <Ironybot> What exactly is the situation with Adelat?
  836. [2011-12-25 20:51:56] <Grail> She was investigating Armas heavily prior to Blackbeard coming on the scene and forcing her to turn attention towards him.
  837. [2011-12-25 20:52:04] <Ironybot> We haven't heard from her in a long time, right? What was the last evidence that we had that she was after us, aside from slightly paranoid suspicions?
  838. [2011-12-25 20:52:32] <Grail> If Blackbeard is slain without Armas doing something with her I see no reason for her to not continue her search on us
  839. [2011-12-25 20:54:06] <Ironybot> So... she's not actively coming after us and we have no in-character non-paranoia information that she will do so in the future. Out of character we know it's likely due to something (?) but we don't really have any in-character grains of information with which to reasonably spark a plan to handle her, yes?
  840. [2011-12-25 20:54:19] <Abeo> And now we're running a super-illegal mercenary company out of some dead guy's house
  841. [2011-12-25 20:54:32] <Abeo> that's right next to a church massacre
  842. [2011-12-25 20:54:34] <Ironybot> None that wouldn't be better approached as methods to handle mundane or governmental investigation or annoyances in general, in any case.
  843. [2011-12-25 20:56:02] <Abeo> With a bit of research we might find someone with sufficient leverage in the government who needs a "problem solver" who can make any investigations on us go away
  844. [2011-12-25 20:56:54] <Grail> Err if by something(?) you mean contributing reveals a framejob of the police officer's murder and multiple other inconsistencies in our cover ups then yes
  845. [2011-12-25 20:57:21] <Guile> we know she was investigating us due to surveillance picking us up dropping off a cop's body and also coming and going in and out of major crime syndicates
  846. [2011-12-25 20:57:29] <Guile> Armas knows that
  847. [2011-12-25 20:58:12] <Grail> I appreciate the redirection urging us to handle government and other investigation in general
  848. [2011-12-25 20:58:43] <Abeo> It would be a prudent step to take.
  849. [2011-12-25 20:58:54] <Guile> Lo Fang knows a guy
  850. [2011-12-25 20:58:54] <Grail> But that was a bit too much, considering Armas does have just cause to see her as an individualized threat
  851. [2011-12-25 20:59:08] <Abeo> Not sure that we have the appropriate contacts to be able to do much about it while stuck inside waiting for a devil all day
  852. [2011-12-25 20:59:26] <Grail> One that is after him and good at their job
  853. [2011-12-25 20:59:34] <Guile> we can send and receive calls
  854. [2011-12-25 20:59:48] <Guile> one that all but single-handedly brought down a nazi cell from the inside
  855. [2011-12-25 20:59:53] <Abeo> Yeah, but who do we know that's in the info business?
  856. [2011-12-25 20:59:56] <Ironybot> Armas strongly suspects that she was investigating him, and he is certain that there was all kinds of surveillance on him; he doesn't necessarily have solid information that the two are connected- although a paranoid mind would probably connect the two. Anyway...
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  858. [2011-12-25 21:00:48] <Ironybot> The way I see it, any of the major crime syndicates can give us advice with getting government contacts. Zosimus can as well. In any of those cases, we end up owing a serious marker to the party who aids us.
  859. [2011-12-25 21:01:24] <Ironybot> We might also be able to use our favor from a certain Arab to establish the required contacts- maybe- which would leave us not owing anyone, but with our contacts known to someone who hates us.
  860. [2011-12-25 21:02:05] <Abeo> zis is true
  861. [2011-12-25 21:02:30] <Abeo> By the way? Giving the invite to BB? Hilarious.
  862. [2011-12-25 21:03:19] <Abeo> I still feel kinda bad about scamming BB out of that one charm though...
  863. [2011-12-25 21:03:26] <Ironybot> We could also pursue more than one of these options simultaneously, which could give us additional security by paying a proportionately larger price. And might cause problems if our contacts notice what we're doing, although they might just respect our efforts in attempting to remain independent.
  864. [2011-12-25 21:03:30] <Abeo> it was arguably the most useful to him, and the least useful to us
  865. [2011-12-25 21:03:34] <Ironybot> Feel bad? About what, that we only got the one?
  866. [2011-12-25 21:03:39] <Grail> Why? He was trying to scam us into buying a set of charms worthless to us.
  867. [2011-12-25 21:04:08] <Grail> Plus it's BB, no one should ever feel bad for him.
  868. [2011-12-25 21:04:14] <Abeo> heh
  869. [2011-12-25 21:04:25] <Arky> pretty much
  870. [2011-12-25 21:04:31] <Arky> also, he is selling his charms anyway
  871. [2011-12-25 21:04:35] <Arky> So...
  872. [2011-12-25 21:05:18] <LittleRedRidingWitch> SO.
  873. [2011-12-25 21:05:19] <LittleRedRidingWitch> KILL BB
  874. [2011-12-25 21:05:22] <LittleRedRidingWitch> GET HIS DAMNED BOUNTY
  875. [2011-12-25 21:05:36] <MrTT> guile, do we actually want to send the russians out on town on the day the devil is coming?
  876. [2011-12-25 21:05:38] <Abeo> I think I would have felt less bad about killing him
  877. [2011-12-25 21:05:46] <LittleRedRidingWitch> And if we wait one month, that bounty will increase to...26 mil
  878. [2011-12-25 21:05:57] <MrTT> Although may we do if that gives us more privacy
  879. [2011-12-25 21:06:04] <Abeo> Why does everything wait a month!
  880. [2011-12-25 21:06:11] <LittleRedRidingWitch> I KNOW
  881. [2011-12-25 21:06:25] <LittleRedRidingWitch> Lazy assholes, increase the bounty NOW
  882. [2011-12-25 21:06:41] <Abeo> Maybe we can convince BB to blow some more shit up
  883. [2011-12-25 21:06:54] <Grail> He probably blew up half the sewer system
  884. [2011-12-25 21:07:30] <LittleRedRidingWitch> Good, maybe now the Gobbos will put a bounty on him too
  885. [2011-12-25 21:07:48] <Arky> heh, the post had SB explicitely telling us NOT to send russians out
  886. [2011-12-25 21:07:53] <Abeo> We might consider selling the Splintered Intent trick to a couple other parties
  887. [2011-12-25 21:08:04] <Arky> also, i will sust Falcon's post SERIOUSLY
  888. [2011-12-25 21:08:12] <Arky> almost all of those things are seirously useless
  889. [2011-12-25 21:08:34] <LittleRedRidingWitch> Fuck no, no selling the Splintered Intent
  890. [2011-12-25 21:08:45] <Arky> and we had enough useless traininbg with Alratan's posts lately
  891. [2011-12-25 21:08:48] <LittleRedRidingWitch> Oh an update!
  892. [2011-12-25 21:08:53] <LittleRedRidingWitch> Dammit, why did no one tell me
  893. [2011-12-25 21:09:17] <Arky> we did
  894. [2011-12-25 21:09:18] <MrTT> The bounty is high enough as is... and the bounty is chump change
  895. [2011-12-25 21:09:22] <MrTT> Compared to his BILLIONS
  896. [2011-12-25 21:09:35] <MrTT> if we can capture his soul intact... its just a magicless soul
  897. [2011-12-25 21:09:36] <MrTT> easy to bind
  898. [2011-12-25 21:09:43] <MrTT> easy to rip the knowledge of his bank info from
  899. [2011-12-25 21:09:47] <MrTT> and have amen steal it all
  900. [2011-12-25 21:09:59] <MrTT> All we need is to capture him alive
  901. [2011-12-25 21:10:02] <MrTT> err, dead
  902. [2011-12-25 21:10:05] <MrTT> Just NOT in our eye
  903. [2011-12-25 21:10:11] <LittleRedRidingWitch> oh god stop before i run out of drool
  904. [2011-12-25 21:10:13] <MrTT> in a containment zone in SB's shadow realm
  905. [2011-12-25 21:10:14] <Arky> can you stop thinking we can rip info from soulseasily?
  906. [2011-12-25 21:10:20] <Abeo> We should start carrying a suitable container for a soul
  907. [2011-12-25 21:10:21] <Arky> we have no idea, thus far, how to do that
  908. [2011-12-25 21:10:26] <Abeo> but one that isn't too obvious
  909. [2011-12-25 21:10:28] <MrTT> Ark... oh ark ark ark
  910. [2011-12-25 21:10:31] <MrTT> who said WE will rip him?
  911. [2011-12-25 21:10:33] <Abeo> a ring with a gem in it maybe
  912. [2011-12-25 21:10:36] <MrTT> We have einrik, amen, and SM
  913. [2011-12-25 21:10:40] <MrTT> all of which can rip his mind for us
  914. [2011-12-25 21:10:43] <MrTT> for bank account info
  915. [2011-12-25 21:10:45] <MrTT> he has BILLIONS
  916. [2011-12-25 21:10:53] <MrTT> even if we split it 50%/50% we will billioneres
  917. [2011-12-25 21:11:12] * LittleRedRidingWitch runs out of drool
  918. [2011-12-25 21:11:13] <MrTT> All we need is to capture his soul, which we can do
  919. [2011-12-25 21:11:14] <Arky> I really am not seeing that happeing
  920. [2011-12-25 21:11:16] <Abeo> SM isn't an option unless w capture him alive alive
  921. [2011-12-25 21:11:25] <MrTT> yes, legality is an issue with SM
  922. [2011-12-25 21:11:29] <MrTT> ok, amen and SB
  923. [2011-12-25 21:11:31] <MrTT> and einrik
  924. [2011-12-25 21:11:32] <LittleRedRidingWitch> All the money! All the money!
  925. [2011-12-25 21:11:39] <MrTT> All that MEAT... err MONEY
  926. [2011-12-25 21:12:04] <Abeo> What would we even use it for?
  927. [2011-12-25 21:12:26] <Ironybot> Bathtub of $10 bills.
  928. [2011-12-25 21:12:32] <Ironybot> Sorry, I meant swimming pool.
  929. [2011-12-25 21:12:33] <Arky> lol
  930. [2011-12-25 21:12:49] <MrTT> You kidding?
  931. [2011-12-25 21:12:53] <MrTT> You know goblins DO accept cash
  932. [2011-12-25 21:12:59] <MrTT> over 50k a charm but still
  933. [2011-12-25 21:13:03] <Grail> Throw money at our problems
  934. [2011-12-25 21:13:03] <MrTT> or we can convert them into gold
  935. [2011-12-25 21:13:15] <MrTT> Oh yes, throwing money solves a LOT of problems
  936. [2011-12-25 21:13:28] <MrTT> Oh, buy the mansion from the vamps
  937. [2011-12-25 21:13:34] <Ironybot> We already own the mansion.
  938. [2011-12-25 21:13:35] <MrTT> 10 million dollars right there
  939. [2011-12-25 21:13:39] <MrTT> no we don't
  940. [2011-12-25 21:13:42] <LittleRedRidingWitch> No we dont
  941. [2011-12-25 21:13:44] <MrTT> we pay 40k a month in rent to the vamps
  942. [2011-12-25 21:13:44] <Abeo> Not legally
  943. [2011-12-25 21:13:56] <Ironybot> In rent? I thought that was taxes.
  944. [2011-12-25 21:14:01] <MrTT> no, rent
  945. [2011-12-25 21:14:01] <LittleRedRidingWitch> go choke on a stake, stupid vamps
  946. [2011-12-25 21:14:06] <Arky> MrTT: first, we should check if sb hasn't already warned whaitiri about amen lying
  947. [2011-12-25 21:14:08] <Ironybot> Huh. What dicks.
  948. [2011-12-25 21:14:10] <MrTT> stake is euphamism for penis
  949. [2011-12-25 21:14:22] <Abeo> I don't remember seeing that inquest anywhere...
  950. [2011-12-25 21:14:31] <LittleRedRidingWitch> IRC knowledge
  951. [2011-12-25 21:14:41] <Grail> It will probably come up when we get charged
  952. [2011-12-25 21:14:51] <LittleRedRidingWitch> I raged so hard that day
  953. [2011-12-25 21:14:55] <Abeo> Whatever.
  954. [2011-12-25 21:15:02] <Abeo> We turn it right around on them.
  955. [2011-12-25 21:15:10] <Abeo> We have to babysit Amen for them.
  956. [2011-12-25 21:15:38] <Abeo> They should be paying US 40k a month
  957. [2011-12-25 21:16:08] <Grail> You do realize that sounds like a supervillain plan right?
  958. [2011-12-25 21:16:18] <Abeo> What's your point?
  959. [2011-12-25 21:16:38] <Grail> I don't really have one, I just find it amusing that's the solution you offer.
  960. [2011-12-25 21:16:47] <Abeo> Don't see any others
  961. [2011-12-25 21:17:13] <Abeo> And seriously, we're basically sitting on a nuke. A nuke that they used to own.
  962. [2011-12-25 21:17:49] <Abeo> We'll call it hazard pay
  963. [2011-12-25 21:21:27] <Abeo> So, for the devil, I have an idea for better wording for the orders
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  965. [2011-12-25 21:22:32] <Abeo> First, we give him a blanket order to not percieve the identity of any guests to the mansion for, say, the remainder of the calendar day.
  966. [2011-12-25 21:23:02] <Abeo> Then we set up the "binding for SB killing them" orders with a trigger that we personally give
  967. [2011-12-25 21:23:36] <Abeo> for instance, when we say "Zorro" while pointing at an individual, Amen then binds that individual
  968. [2011-12-25 21:24:06] <Ironybot> That isn't nearly as trollish of a trigger command as our standards should require.
  969. [2011-12-25 21:24:08] <Abeo> This way we are controlling who, precisely, gets bound.
  970. [2011-12-25 21:24:17] <Abeo> Just the first thing I thought of
  971. [2011-12-25 21:24:34] <Ironybot> I mean, involving a pelvic thrust is the absolute minimum standard here, and that's if we're feeling uncreative.
  972. [2011-12-25 21:24:39] <Abeo> "Sick 'em"
  973. [2011-12-25 21:25:35] <Abeo> But yeah, I think that plugs most of the holes inAlratan's orders?
  974. [2011-12-25 21:26:13] <Ironybot> It also introduces vulnerability to anything that can move faster than we can react to it, or conceal itself from our perception.
  975. [2011-12-25 21:26:24] <MrTT> >You should spend the day looking at lolcats
  976. [2011-12-25 21:26:25] <MrTT> Lol
  977. [2011-12-25 21:26:39] <MrTT> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o4b4dndo1J0
  978. [2011-12-25 21:26:40] <Classhole> MrTT: The OMG Cat Skyrim Reaction - length 19s - rated 4.94/5.0 (6074) - 479656 views - VoltageBox on 2011.02.12
  979. [2011-12-25 21:27:06] <Ironybot> Considering that the devil was able to go toe-to-toe with dragons who act so blindingly fast that we could hardly perceive their attack before it hit us, I'm thinking that's a rather critical weakness.
  980. [2011-12-25 21:27:30] <Abeo> I'm fairly certain we could introduce the trigger phrase into our speech in a way that wouldn't tip off the devil
  981. [2011-12-25 21:27:52] <MrTT> The devil did not fight them
  982. [2011-12-25 21:27:58] <MrTT> The devil invoked the accords
  983. [2011-12-25 21:28:02] <Ironybot> That relies on us successfully managing to have a peaceful conversation with the devil inside our house.
  984. [2011-12-25 21:28:34] <Abeo> i don't see that being an issue
  985. [2011-12-25 21:28:45] <MrTT> mmm... can amen prevent the devil from detecting SB?
  986. [2011-12-25 21:28:55] <MrTT> We can just have SB give the order when needed
  987. [2011-12-25 21:28:57] <MrTT> if needed
  988. [2011-12-25 21:29:20] <Abeo> Was it even a "need" thing?
  989. [2011-12-25 21:30:24] <Abeo> I thought that the wording of our deal with the devil left its conclusion ambiguous
  990. [2011-12-25 21:30:41] <Abeo> On our part, at least
  991. [2011-12-25 21:33:26] <Abeo> bleh, taking a nao
  992. [2011-12-25 21:33:29] <Abeo> *nap
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  994. [2011-12-25 21:36:43] <MrTT> The deal is ambiguous... but we invited it
  995. [2011-12-25 21:36:49] <MrTT> and we will invite it into the house
  996. [2011-12-25 21:37:10] <MrTT> and such an invitation confers guest rights which we must not violate lest we get horrible negative reputation
  997. [2011-12-25 21:38:07] <MrTT> I think the way around it is to arrange for a russian to meet him at the door disguised as armas using amen magic's.
  998. [2011-12-25 21:38:15] <MrTT> then the russian invites him in
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  1000. [2011-12-25 21:38:59] <MrTT> and when don't approve the invitation to amen
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  1002. [2011-12-25 21:40:38] <MrTT> anyone? anyone at all?
  1003. [2011-12-25 21:40:43] <Arky> mmh
  1004. [2011-12-25 21:40:59] <Arky> implied invitation sees actual invitation, though
  1005. [2011-12-25 21:41:03] <Arky> seems
  1006. [2011-12-25 21:43:04] <MrTT> Its not implied invitation
  1007. [2011-12-25 21:43:09] <MrTT> its actual invitation by the wrong person
  1008. [2011-12-25 21:43:12] <MrTT> Armas never invited him
  1009. [2011-12-25 21:43:15] <MrTT> he is an intruder
  1010. [2011-12-25 21:43:20] <MrTT> someone else invited him
  1011. [2011-12-25 21:44:43] <MrTT> alternatively, we could leave him a message saying we will wait for him at the building under the mansion. He might fail to realize that it counts as part of the mansion
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  1013. [2011-12-25 21:54:39] <Ironybot> Amen orders thoughts. I would like to resolve the "he goes berserk if we die" thing, immediately. There is really no excuse for leaving that longer.
  1014. [2011-12-25 21:55:27] <LittleRedRidingWitch> I'm pretty sure his countless masters have all tried resolving that problem.
  1015. [2011-12-25 21:55:46] <Arky> Mmmh, talking about dying, did we get an exlanation why our bloodline only talks about bodily death, not soul death?
  1016. [2011-12-25 21:55:48] <Ironybot> None of his countless masters had Romanov.
  1017. [2011-12-25 21:56:24] <TheBeardiestBob> 4you are his first auto-resurrection capable master.
  1018. [2011-12-25 21:56:25] <Ironybot> My proposal for this: First, order Amen to honestly give us the circumstances under which we will stop being his master. Death should be on the list, but if there are others it would be good to know. I'm thinking that we can order him to personally redefine "death", as applied to us and only applied to us, to consist of the absolute annihilation of the soul.
  1019. [2011-12-25 21:56:30] <Arky> I have trouble thinking of an actual good way to lock Amen
  1020. [2011-12-25 21:57:00] <Arky> TheBeardiestBob: interesting. That suggest a few of them were ressurected after they died in their tenures?
  1021. [2011-12-25 21:57:29] <Ironybot> Then order him to honestly tell us if, should our body be completely destroyed and physically cease to live, we would remain his master. That should confirm the effectiveness of our orders.
  1022. [2011-12-25 21:57:33] <Arky> Ironybot: that.. sounds a worthwhile order.
  1023. [2011-12-25 21:57:34] <Ironybot> Does anyone see a hole in this?
  1024. [2011-12-25 21:58:05] <Arky> Well, the first hole would be to phrase it in such a way that he doesn't kill us if he needs to
  1025. [2011-12-25 21:58:25] <Arky> but, yes, that seems like a good idea
  1026. [2011-12-25 21:58:43] <Arky> Also, absolute annihilation of soul might not be enough
  1027. [2011-12-25 21:58:48] <Ironybot> Ah, such a way that he doesn't kill us if he needs to? Clarify, please.
  1028. [2011-12-25 21:58:58] <Arky> 'absolute and permanent" should be btter
  1029. [2011-12-25 21:59:00] <Ironybot> How would redefining death result in his being required to kill us?
  1030. [2011-12-25 21:59:17] <Arky> i am actually more wary about the first question
  1031. [2011-12-25 21:59:26] <Arky> the circumstances
  1032. [2011-12-25 21:59:39] <Ironybot> Ah. Hrm. True, he might have an order binding sharing that.
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  1034. [2011-12-25 22:00:39] <Ironybot> Still, I'd like to ask it, with the usual harm-based caveats.
  1035. [2011-12-25 22:00:46] <Arky> yeah
  1036. [2011-12-25 22:01:23] <Arky> I am also, for meta reason, about insuring Amen stays with us until we get our meats in order
  1037. [2011-12-25 22:01:31] <Arky> as i'll feel we will get killed very soon after
  1038. [2011-12-25 22:01:50] <Arky> wary, i forgot
  1039. [2011-12-25 22:02:00] <Ironybot> ...until we get our meats in order?
  1040. [2011-12-25 22:02:18] <Arky> yeah, making the deals permanents
  1041. [2011-12-25 22:02:32] <Arky> because the moment amen is bound, we will most likely be killed
  1042. [2011-12-25 22:02:36] <Arky> well, soon after
  1043. [2011-12-25 22:03:16] <Arky> TheBeardiestBob: what are the ranks in gfh?
  1044. [2011-12-25 22:03:40] <Arky> apprentice -> Disciple -> journeyman -> Master -> Adept?
  1045. [2011-12-25 22:04:11] <Ironybot> I suppose we could order Amen not to reveal that specific order to anyone else, directly or indirectly. That would hopefully stop Sometimes Merchant from knowing about it.
  1046. [2011-12-25 22:04:24] <Arky> that, too
  1047. [2011-12-25 22:04:45] <Arky> But i was thinking meta reason. The same way we are constantly using our S.F.R now
  1048. [2011-12-25 22:06:57] <Ironybot> Clarify.
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  1050. [2011-12-25 22:07:41] <Arky> I feel that once it will be 'safe' to use our auto-rez, we'll suddely begin to use it a lot
  1051. [2011-12-25 22:08:47] <Ironybot> There might be something to that. I hope that we won't start abusing it like that, though, because it's a capability that should really be hidden if possible.
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  1054. [2011-12-25 22:17:30] <Grail> http://www.collegehumor.com/facebook-history
  1055. [2011-12-25 22:22:31] <MrTT> I am weary of redifining death as a whole
  1056. [2011-12-25 22:22:34] <MrTT> for amen
  1057. [2011-12-25 22:22:50] <MrTT> it will retroactively alter all his orders with the word death in them
  1058. [2011-12-25 22:23:13] <Ironybot> Ah... that's why I used the phrase "as applied to us and only applied to us".
  1059. [2011-12-25 22:24:01] <MrTT> Still seems like a bad idea
  1060. [2011-12-25 22:24:12] <MrTT> as all orders about master protection that had the word death in them get redefined
  1061. [2011-12-25 22:24:13] <Arky> laters
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  1063. [2011-12-25 22:24:24] <Ironybot> Admittedly, that would indeed retroactively alter past orders with respect to us personally, but the only significant change should be that he will treat us as living even if we are still dead.
  1064. [2011-12-25 22:24:35] <Ironybot> Give an example of an order where this would be harmful, please.
  1065. [2011-12-25 22:25:25] <MrTT> Can we not just order him and bind it that in the case of a master's death, he is to remain bound to serve that master's spirit or resurrected body...
  1066. [2011-12-25 22:25:44] <MrTT> There is also the question of whether its not dying that is the issue, but losing possession of silthuro blood
  1067. [2011-12-25 22:26:18] <Ironybot> I think the problem is that he doesn't consider dead people to be able to possess things.
  1068. [2011-12-25 22:26:34] <Ironybot> That was why I approached the problem from the angle of ensuring that he never considers us dead in the first place.
  1069. [2011-12-25 22:26:42] <MrTT> We could, perhaps, designate heirs
  1070. [2011-12-25 22:26:56] <MrTT> And ask him truthfully if such designation will stand
  1071. [2011-12-25 22:27:11] <Ironybot> Not going to support that. Amen remains under our control and only our control.
  1072. [2011-12-25 22:27:22] <MrTT> SB and sake
  1073. [2011-12-25 22:27:25] <MrTT> .. although
  1074. [2011-12-25 22:27:27] <Ironybot> Not them either.
  1075. [2011-12-25 22:27:28] <LittleRedRidingWitch> Besides, no one would want him
  1076. [2011-12-25 22:27:31] <MrTT> there is a problem with that, if he passes on to someone
  1077. [2011-12-25 22:27:39] <MrTT> then he is free to fuck up all our guests
  1078. [2011-12-25 22:27:41] <PriceisMagic> Back
  1079. [2011-12-25 22:27:45] <PriceisMagic> What did I miss?
  1080. [2011-12-25 22:27:47] <MrTT> the russians, einrik, etc
  1081. [2011-12-25 22:27:47] <LittleRedRidingWitch> wb PiM
  1082. [2011-12-25 22:27:50] <LittleRedRidingWitch> You missed cake
  1083. [2011-12-25 22:27:55] <PriceisMagic> D :
  1084. [2011-12-25 22:27:55] <LittleRedRidingWitch> delicious christmas cake
  1085. [2011-12-25 22:28:01] <PriceisMagic> Awww
  1086. [2011-12-25 22:28:02] <MrTT> we are brainstorming a way to fix the amen goes burserk on armas death issue
  1087. [2011-12-25 22:28:08] <MrTT> BTW, did you all see my post?
  1088. [2011-12-25 22:28:17] <LittleRedRidingWitch> yep
  1089. [2011-12-25 22:28:19] <LittleRedRidingWitch> SUSTed
  1090. [2011-12-25 22:28:21] <MrTT> I think quite a bit of useful and important things there
  1091. [2011-12-25 22:28:23] <PriceisMagic> ...Isnt Og supposed to do that?
  1092. [2011-12-25 22:28:25] <LittleRedRidingWitch> nah jk
  1093. [2011-12-25 22:28:47] <MrTT> also in questdis i pointed out an idea to trap the devil
  1094. [2011-12-25 22:28:51] <LittleRedRidingWitch> Oh god this Asellus guy
  1095. [2011-12-25 22:28:58] <LittleRedRidingWitch> >"You should spend the day looking at lolcats"
  1096. [2011-12-25 22:29:04] <LittleRedRidingWitch> Oh god I lol'd hard
  1097. [2011-12-25 22:29:15] <Ironybot> Yeah, that was pretty good.
  1098. [2011-12-25 22:29:25] <LittleRedRidingWitch> ?discthread
  1099. [2011-12-25 22:29:46] <LittleRedRidingWitch> Aw shit, Classhole ain't here
  1100. [2011-12-25 22:29:50] <MrTT> I also loled at that one
  1101. [2011-12-25 22:29:52] <PriceisMagic> what?
  1102. [2011-12-25 22:29:55] <PriceisMagic> How?
  1103. [2011-12-25 22:29:59] <PriceisMagic> I thought he was a bot
  1104. [2011-12-25 22:29:59] <MrTT> what?
  1105. [2011-12-25 22:30:09] <PriceisMagic> Classholes missing : (
  1106. [2011-12-25 22:30:13] <MrTT> Classhole is a bot
  1107. [2011-12-25 22:30:14] <LittleRedRidingWitch> That's what he makes you think, PiM
  1108. [2011-12-25 22:30:20] <LittleRedRidingWitch> And you too, MrTT
  1109. [2011-12-25 22:30:21] <MrTT> a bot can go offline if the computer running it is turned off
  1110. [2011-12-25 22:30:24] <PriceisMagic> Dun dun duuuuuuuuuuuuun
  1111. [2011-12-25 22:30:52] <MrTT> there are semibots... its people who have scripts that do bot work from their own nick
  1112. [2011-12-25 22:30:58] <MrTT> but they are actually there to do human stuff
  1113. [2011-12-25 22:31:15] <LittleRedRidingWitch> Oheydere, holiday thread: http://tgchan.org/kusaba/questdis/res/357426.html
  1114. [2011-12-25 22:31:21] <LittleRedRidingWitch> Let's submit GfH in it :D
  1115. [2011-12-25 22:31:33] <PriceisMagic> How?
  1116. [2011-12-25 22:31:42] <PriceisMagic> No cannon artits
  1117. [2011-12-25 22:31:45] <PriceisMagic> wait...
  1118. [2011-12-25 22:31:47] <PriceisMagic> Canon*
  1119. [2011-12-25 22:31:56] <LittleRedRidingWitch> Stick christmas hats on fanart
  1120. [2011-12-25 22:32:09] <PriceisMagic> hahahahahahahahano
  1121. [2011-12-25 22:32:24] <PriceisMagic> NEW TOPIC
  1122. [2011-12-25 22:32:33] <PriceisMagic> How many players does BB/BC have?
  1123. [2011-12-25 22:32:37] <LittleRedRidingWitch> Night
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  1125. [2011-12-25 22:32:56] <PriceisMagic> uh
  1126. [2011-12-25 22:32:58] <PriceisMagic> Bye
  1127. [2011-12-25 22:33:22] <MrTT> a group
  1128. [2011-12-25 22:33:29] <PriceisMagic> Hmmm
  1129. [2011-12-25 22:33:35] <PriceisMagic> More then Armas?
  1130. [2011-12-25 22:33:37] <MrTT> mainly one person though, sometimes a group.
  1131. [2011-12-25 22:33:41] <MrTT> nah
  1132. [2011-12-25 22:33:49] <MrTT> like an IRL group for which bob DMs campaigns
  1133. [2011-12-25 22:33:56] <MrTT> who doesn't go on tgchan
  1134. [2011-12-25 22:33:59] <PriceisMagic> Since theres only 5-6 poeple who post often
  1135. [2011-12-25 22:34:16] <MrTT> wait we are losing focus
  1136. [2011-12-25 22:34:23] <ManOfSleepOhMyGodHowLongHasItB> We had focus?
  1137. [2011-12-25 22:34:23] <PriceisMagic> I guess
  1138. [2011-12-25 22:34:26] <ManOfSleepOhMyGodHowLongHasItB> WHen did this happen?
  1139. [2011-12-25 22:34:31] <MrTT> Ironybot raises a good point, its absurd we haven't solved the amen goes free issue yet
  1140. [2011-12-25 22:34:32] <PriceisMagic> At the start
  1141. [2011-12-25 22:34:45] <MrTT> we really need to get it phrased already
  1142. [2011-12-25 22:34:45] <ManOfSleepOhMyGodHowLongHasItB> We had focus at the start?
  1143. [2011-12-25 22:34:47] <PriceisMagic> I thought thats what OG was for
  1144. [2011-12-25 22:35:04] <MrTT> His idea of ordering amen to truthfully tell us the circumstances under which it goes free is a good start
  1145. [2011-12-25 22:35:25] <MrTT> Maybe ask him how many there are first
  1146. [2011-12-25 22:36:04] <PriceisMagic> Watching Eureka
  1147. [2011-12-25 22:36:13] <MrTT> "Amen, answer truthfully. How many ways are there for you to go free of my control"
  1148. [2011-12-25 22:36:20] <PriceisMagic> Will check this every 10 or so minutes
  1149. [2011-12-25 22:36:29] <MrTT> "Amen, answer truthflly. List the ways in which you may go free of my control"
  1150. [2011-12-25 22:36:34] <MrTT> And then address those
  1151. [2011-12-25 22:36:55] <MrTT> so far it was suggested we redefine death, but it seems like a horribad idea to me as it alters ALL previous orders and binding on amen
  1152. [2011-12-25 22:37:02] <MrTT> giving him potential massive loopholes
  1153. [2011-12-25 22:37:32] <MrTT> Ok, though
  1154. [2011-12-25 22:38:03] <Guile> "Well, let's start with 'Armas dies by choking on a bagel', then list alphebetically down to 'Armas dies in freak zebra stampede'
  1155. [2011-12-25 22:38:04] <MrTT> what if we order amen binding from the blood of silthuro, armas laine, the one standing before him
  1156. [2011-12-25 22:38:25] <MrTT> @Guile: No because all of these is "armas dies".
  1157. [2011-12-25 22:38:29] <MrTT> I guess we can clarify
  1158. [2011-12-25 22:38:32] <Ironybot> I really cannot think of any loopholes which would open up by personally redefining death to Amen, except for if he's got "prevent from dying" standing orders, which at a guess he doesn't.
  1159. [2011-12-25 22:38:34] <Guile> Yes. the ways in which Amen goes free
  1160. [2011-12-25 22:38:48] <Guile> obviously not, with Smets and all
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  1162. [2011-12-25 22:39:11] <MrTT> @Ironybot, it redefines EVERY order he got from previous masters, ever, that had the word death or dead or kill in it
  1163. [2011-12-25 22:39:32] <Ironybot> No, it doesn't.
  1164. [2011-12-25 22:39:41] <MrTT> yes it does, because we redefined the word death
  1165. [2011-12-25 22:39:54] <Shot__> No, just the owner's death.
  1166. [2011-12-25 22:39:59] <Ironybot> Did you somehow repeatedly miss the phrase "as applied to us and only applied to us"?
  1167. [2011-12-25 22:40:14] <MrTT> Ok, every order ever given by a previous master about his own death
  1168. [2011-12-25 22:40:38] <Shot__> ...
  1169. [2011-12-25 22:40:41] <Ironybot> Only US. Armas Laine. No one else.
  1170. [2011-12-25 22:40:49] <Shot__> You mean, Armas's death.
  1171. [2011-12-25 22:40:53] <Ironybot> All previous masters need not apply.
  1172. [2011-12-25 22:40:53] <MrTT> nono
  1173. [2011-12-25 22:41:10] <MrTT> i mean... ok lets say a previous master said "You are bound to do X on your master's death"
  1174. [2011-12-25 22:41:22] <MrTT> That person gave orders for HIMSELF, but he didn't NAME himself he named ALL MASTERS
  1175. [2011-12-25 22:41:26] <MrTT> Armas is the current master
  1176. [2011-12-25 22:41:40] <MrTT> However... We COULD perhaps exclude orders given from previous masters
  1177. [2011-12-25 22:41:45] <MrTT> or even ASK if there were such orders
  1178. [2011-12-25 22:41:58] <MrTT> that... is a good idea
  1179. [2011-12-25 22:42:02] <Ironybot> Sure. So then, on Armas' death, Amen will do X. With this order in place, that will occur upon the complete annihilation of Armas' soul, since that is when "death" will be considered to have occurred.
  1180. [2011-12-25 22:42:11] <Ironybot> What is the problem here?
  1181. [2011-12-25 22:43:33] <MrTT> Redefine death for me, Armas laine, for the purpose of maintaining control over you, while excluding all standing orders from previous masters from the definition change. Redefine it to mean irreversible destruction of my soul.
  1182. [2011-12-25 22:44:10] <MrTT> Actually you know what... i think we are better off leaving previous masters' orders intact... excluding them is not a good idea since amen WILL consider us to be dead for execution of such orders
  1183. [2011-12-25 22:44:12] <MrTT> which can fuck us up
  1184. [2011-12-25 22:44:29] <MrTT> so just redefining death for us, armas laine, as the destruction of the soul rather then the body, will be fine and dandy
  1185. [2011-12-25 22:44:53] <Ironybot> Quite. What we want here is for Amen to always consider us alive, meaning that Amen will never be any more inclined to take action than he is already because he will never perceive a change in our state.
  1186. [2011-12-25 22:45:19] <MrTT> Also, I think we should order him to transfer his service from the holder of the silthuro bloodline to the holder of our blood
  1187. [2011-12-25 22:45:26] <MrTT> or rather... better wording
  1188. [2011-12-25 22:45:29] <MrTT> just to us, armas laine
  1189. [2011-12-25 22:45:30] <Ironybot> I don't know that that's possible.
  1190. [2011-12-25 22:45:42] <MrTT> It should be, we are his master and we pass him along
  1191. [2011-12-25 22:45:46] <MrTT> to ourselves
  1192. [2011-12-25 22:45:54] <MrTT> that should free us to do as we please wit hthe blood thing in the eye
  1193. [2011-12-25 22:46:20] <MrTT> mmm... oh and identify us by our soul, not by our blood
  1194. [2011-12-25 22:46:49] <Guile> considering us always alive seems like it could interfere with the normal bloodline succession, which may be prohibited
  1195. [2011-12-25 22:47:14] <Ironybot> Ah, but he's not considering us always alive- he's merely making the requirements to consider us dead more stringent.
  1196. [2011-12-25 22:48:07] <Ironybot> I did use the phrase "always consider us alive", I know, but I meant for our purposes, which essentially end with the absolute destruction of our soul anyway.
  1197. [2011-12-25 22:48:16] <MrTT> And if it cannot be done then it cannot be done and we go back to the drawing board
  1198. [2011-12-25 22:48:42] <Guile> yeah, thats not bad
  1199. [2011-12-25 22:48:54] <MrTT> for all of these we should, before executing them, consult with SB, Einrik, and Sake. Perhaps even with SM under the requirement that he keeps the knowledge to himself as long as we are amen's master
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  1201. [2011-12-25 22:49:05] <MrTT> SM has an interest in making sure we craft an ironclad order
  1202. [2011-12-25 22:49:21] <Ironybot> I really, really don't want Sometimes Merchant to know anything about matters this important.
  1203. [2011-12-25 22:49:32] <MrTT> Me neither, but he is an expert in wordcraft
  1204. [2011-12-25 22:49:36] <MrTT> and we need something ironclad
  1205. [2011-12-25 22:50:04] <Ironybot> It has been made repeatedly clear that while selling him some information might be fine, if he knows something utterly critical about you he WILL fuck you with it. Perhaps not today or tomorrow, but it will happen and when it does it will be utterly decisive.
  1206. [2011-12-25 22:50:31] <MrTT> mmm...
  1207. [2011-12-25 22:50:35] <TheBeardiestBob> 4I am brainfarting on how to spin about the viewpoint in Shogun 2. Not zoom in/out, but rotate the FoV
  1208. [2011-12-25 22:50:38] <MrTT> I got an idea
  1209. [2011-12-25 22:50:41] <TheBeardiestBob> 4Anyone?
  1210. [2011-12-25 22:50:47] <Ironybot> Sorry, never played it.
  1211. [2011-12-25 22:51:26] <MrTT> we make a deal with him to help us craft some orders for amen. We pay him something, in exchange he is to FORGET all details relating to the orders he helps us craft
  1212. [2011-12-25 22:51:40] <Guile> kinda drawing a blank. Hold mouse wheel and move mouse?
  1213. [2011-12-25 22:51:46] <MrTT> as well being forbidden from revealing it to anyone or arranging for it to be revealing to anyone, including himself.
  1214. [2011-12-25 22:52:20] <Guile> considering how highly he prizes info, paying him to forget something would be GODAWFUL EXPENSIVE
  1215. [2011-12-25 22:52:29] <MrTT> Not quite
  1216. [2011-12-25 22:52:34] <Guile> power's nice, but really I just want money
  1217. [2011-12-25 22:52:57] <MrTT> It will not be that expensive because we are paying him to forget something we told him in the first place
  1218. [2011-12-25 22:53:09] <TheBeardiestBob> 4Guile: nope
  1219. [2011-12-25 22:53:17] <TheBeardiestBob> 4that just freeroams the view
  1220. [2011-12-25 22:53:24] <MrTT> And that we negotiate for forgetting BEFORE telling him
  1221. [2011-12-25 22:53:36] <MrTT> asking him to forget AFTER he already got the knowledge would be expensive as all fuck
  1222. [2011-12-25 22:53:50] <MrTT> saying "I Will only tell you a secret if you agree to immediately forget it" is less expensive I think
  1223. [2011-12-25 22:54:17] <Ironybot> You are relying upon our ability to craft a set of restrictions that he will not be able to loophole his way out of, when he has a vested interest in loopholing his way out of them and thousands of years of experience more than we've got.
  1224. [2011-12-25 22:54:19] <MrTT> And worse comes to worse, he would would refuse
  1225. [2011-12-25 22:54:22] <Ironybot> This is a bad plan.
  1226. [2011-12-25 22:54:28] <MrTT> Ah, but ironybot
  1227. [2011-12-25 22:54:31] <MrTT> here is the beutiful thing
  1228. [2011-12-25 22:54:47] <MrTT> We are crafting those restrictions for SM so that he could craft superior restrictions for Amen
  1229. [2011-12-25 22:54:58] <MrTT> I would much much rather the SM restrictions fail then the amen ones
  1230. [2011-12-25 22:55:10] <MrTT> the damage would be more severe if we bungle the amen restrictions then the SM restrictions
  1231. [2011-12-25 22:55:34] <Ironybot> Saying "Look, I shot myself in the leg so that I wouldn't shoot myself in the stomach" is not a particularly good line of logic. You should be looking for a way to not shoot ourselves at all.
  1232. [2011-12-25 22:56:20] <MrTT> Its not.. its "I did my best to ensure not getting shot... and as part of that I also made sure that if I am shot it will hit my foot rather then my heart"
  1233. [2011-12-25 22:56:33] <MrTT> We are going to craft it to ensure maximum "not getting shot" potential
  1234. [2011-12-25 22:56:42] <MrTT> but if we ARE Shot I would rather be shot by SM then amen
  1235. [2011-12-25 22:57:02] <Ironybot> Do not bring Sometimes Merchant into this. Seriously. It is a very bad plan.
  1236. [2011-12-25 22:57:11] <MrTT> Why?
  1237. [2011-12-25 22:57:18] <MrTT> My argument is ironclad
  1238. [2011-12-25 22:57:22] <MrTT> we are minimizing damage here
  1239. [2011-12-25 22:57:37] <MrTT> IF and ONLY IF our restrictions on SM fail do we have a problem
  1240. [2011-12-25 22:57:46] <MrTT> and he is less dangerous to restrict in a deal then amen
  1241. [2011-12-25 22:57:58] <Ironybot> And I rate the odds of our restrictions on Sometimes Merchant failing at about 95%.
  1242. [2011-12-25 22:58:39] <Guile> The 'Too much info to SM is bad end' is somewhat telling
  1243. [2011-12-25 22:58:52] <Guile> for all we know, SM has a way to get memories back
  1244. [2011-12-25 22:58:54] <MrTT> 1. it was "too much info given away freely to people/things"
  1245. [2011-12-25 22:58:56] <MrTT> not SM specifically
  1246. [2011-12-25 22:59:13] <MrTT> 2. I actually was specifically going to account for that guile
  1247. [2011-12-25 22:59:25] <MrTT> 3. Our odds of restricting him are far better then restricting amen
  1248. [2011-12-25 23:00:00] <MrTT> You know what, fine
  1249. [2011-12-25 23:00:03] <MrTT> no SM
  1250. [2011-12-25 23:00:16] <MrTT> so... thinktank for order crafting should be Einrik, SB, Sake, Armas
  1251. [2011-12-25 23:00:21] <MrTT> Do we include whaitiri as well?
  1252. [2011-12-25 23:00:28] <Captain-Lightning> ?gfh
  1253. [2011-12-25 23:00:28] <Classhole> http://tgchan.org/kusaba/quest/res/360354+50.html
  1254. [2011-12-25 23:00:41] <Ironybot> No, we don't. We don't include Einrik either.
  1255. [2011-12-25 23:00:55] <MrTT> no einrik?
  1256. [2011-12-25 23:01:04] <MrTT> you don't trust him?
  1257. [2011-12-25 23:01:08] <Ironybot> The Armas/Shadowbro/Sake think tank is sufficient, and as far as we can safely let information this critical spread.
  1258. [2011-12-25 23:01:14] <TheBeardiestBob> 4So, anyone on further ways to possibly rotate view?
  1259. [2011-12-25 23:01:25] <MrTT> is ti shogun 2?
  1260. [2011-12-25 23:01:54] <TheBeardiestBob> 4yes
  1261. [2011-12-25 23:02:32] <MrTT> Is this relevant to your issue: http://forums.totalwar.com/showthread.php/12567-Campaign-Camera-no-longer-responds-to-rotate-(Q-E..-any-key)
  1262. [2011-12-25 23:02:37] <Ironybot> I trust Einrik quite a bit, but there are limits- sharp limits. In particular, by issuing this order we are putting ourselves in a position where anyone who knows of it can kill us, tear out and lobotomize our soul, and use us as a proxy "master" for Amen which issues their orders as a puppet.
  1263. [2011-12-25 23:02:44] <Ironybot> So we keep it fucking close.
  1264. [2011-12-25 23:03:18] <MrTT> this also mentions camera restricting http://forums.steampowered.com/forums/showthread.php?t=2060610
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  1266. [2011-12-25 23:04:34] <MrTT> The problem ironybot, is that we are not immune to mind reading and that we cannot afford to mess up the wording
  1267. [2011-12-25 23:04:59] <Captain-Lightning> >Cannibal old lady manages a website
  1268. [2011-12-25 23:05:01] <MrTT> And can we not trust einrik to reliquish his memories of the exact method of restructuring?
  1269. [2011-12-25 23:05:02] <Captain-Lightning> the fuck is this shit
  1270. [2011-12-25 23:05:15] <MrTT> not just old, ancient
  1271. [2011-12-25 23:05:21] <Captain-Lightning> I looked at my screen and yelled WHAT THE SHIT out loud
  1272. [2011-12-25 23:05:24] <Captain-Lightning> haha
  1273. [2011-12-25 23:05:29] <Ironybot> Got to keep with the times, man.
  1274. [2011-12-25 23:05:33] <MrTT> what, people move with the time... well some of them at least
  1275. [2011-12-25 23:05:34] <Shot__> Me too
  1276. [2011-12-25 23:05:41] <Shot__> Then again
  1277. [2011-12-25 23:05:45] <Shot__> She is from japan
  1278. [2011-12-25 23:05:52] <Shot__> Fucking magical australia
  1279. [2011-12-25 23:06:03] <MrTT> I have a great uncle who is a huge tech buff... got his first GPU in 82 and loves it... he is as proficient with high tech stuff as any teen
  1280. [2011-12-25 23:06:10] <MrTT> SMSs on his smart phone, etc
  1281. [2011-12-25 23:06:39] <MrTT> japan has 8 million kami... you got to stay on top of shit if you want to stay on top...
  1282. [2011-12-25 23:06:46] <MrTT> not to mention that japan is THE land of the smartphone
  1283. [2011-12-25 23:08:49] <MrTT> so... chat died again
  1284. [2011-12-25 23:08:52] <MrTT> ironybot you there?
  1285. [2011-12-25 23:09:00] <Ironybot> Yes, I am here.
  1286. [2011-12-25 23:09:05] <MrTT> Lets say i provisionally agree to your idea of limiting it to armas, sake, and SB
  1287. [2011-12-25 23:09:16] <MrTT> rahter then allowing some more people with a mindwipe
  1288. [2011-12-25 23:09:28] <MrTT> So, how do we go about it?
  1289. [2011-12-25 23:10:01] <MrTT> So far I think the best two options are to: 1. transfer ownership from holder of silthuro bloodline to armas laine himself. Do so with everyone out of the house.
  1290. [2011-12-25 23:10:16] <Ironybot> I do not think that option is feasible.
  1291. [2011-12-25 23:10:19] <MrTT> followed by 2. Redefine death ONLY for armas laine, us, to be destruction of soul
  1292. [2011-12-25 23:10:29] <MrTT> If it isn't feasible then he will tell us so
  1293. [2011-12-25 23:10:50] <MrTT> we will ask him, "amen answer truthfully, could I give an order which will transfer you to a new master"
  1294. [2011-12-25 23:11:54] <Ironybot> I... don't really want to get into that particular discussion at the moment, so I'll say that my primary objection to it is that it doesn't actually solve the Romanov resurrection problem.
  1295. [2011-12-25 23:12:26] <Ironybot> Even if we transfer his bindings to us, if we then die he'll still consider us dead and thus not able to hold his binding, because we can't own anything when we're dead.
  1296. [2011-12-25 23:12:49] <Ironybot> So it doesn't really accomplish the primary objective here.
  1297. [2011-12-25 23:13:03] <MrTT> Ah, you misunderstand
  1298. [2011-12-25 23:13:09] <MrTT> I want to give BOTH orders
  1299. [2011-12-25 23:13:11] <MrTT> not one or the other
  1300. [2011-12-25 23:13:30] <MrTT> The first one solves the fact that we must remain in possession of eye blood thing
  1301. [2011-12-25 23:13:33] <MrTT> and it cannot be destroyed
  1302. [2011-12-25 23:13:36] <MrTT> or severely altered
  1303. [2011-12-25 23:13:40] <MrTT> Thats it
  1304. [2011-12-25 23:13:47] <MrTT> the second one is the one that deals with our death
  1305. [2011-12-25 23:14:00] <MrTT> They are actually seperate and deal with different issues with amen's binding
  1306. [2011-12-25 23:14:44] <Ironybot> Ah. I thought they were different approaches to the one problem.
  1307. [2011-12-25 23:14:59] <Ironybot> ...can we just solve the second problem right now, and worry about the first one another time?
  1308. [2011-12-25 23:15:40] <MrTT> The first one is still an issue
  1309. [2011-12-25 23:15:46] <MrTT> For example
  1310. [2011-12-25 23:15:52] <MrTT> what happens to our demiplane when we die?
  1311. [2011-12-25 23:16:03] <MrTT> IIRC it is currently not sufficiently stable to survive our death, and might burst
  1312. [2011-12-25 23:16:15] <MrTT> And what happens if we accidentally destroy this thing?
  1313. [2011-12-25 23:16:25] <MrTT> Or a myriad of other issues that would let amen go free
  1314. [2011-12-25 23:16:54] <MrTT> what if some enemy plucks our eye out? Or not even an enemy. We meet a ruling dragon, he sees our eye and goes" mmm, curious I cannot see inside it"... pluck he takes it out to research
  1315. [2011-12-25 23:17:02] <MrTT> and the moment he does the demiplane collapses
  1316. [2011-12-25 23:17:06] <MrTT> and amen goes free
  1317. [2011-12-25 23:17:57] <Ironybot> I know that's all a problem, but making our demiplane undetectable and flawlessly stable is a big project and transferring Amen's fundamental bindings away from the blood that he's been tied to for thousands of years seems incredibly, recklessly drastic and it needs ways more thought than I have for this right now.
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  1319. [2011-12-25 23:20:55] <MrTT> fair enough
  1320. [2011-12-25 23:21:00] <MrTT> We can keep that as a side project
  1321. [2011-12-25 23:21:36] <MrTT> Although... actually we can ONLY keep it as a side project if someone can confirm that our eye demiplane will not collapse on the death of our body
  1322. [2011-12-25 23:21:46] <MrTT> if it will then we absolutely cannot wait for this
  1323. [2011-12-25 23:22:53] <MrTT> is anyone else creeped the fuck out by scuttle quest?
  1324. [2011-12-25 23:23:28] <Ironybot> Haven't read it.
  1325. [2011-12-25 23:23:44] <Ironybot> And we really need to get a background in demiplanar mechanics somewhere.
  1326. [2011-12-25 23:28:27] <Grail> Totemist Quest is back
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  1328. [2011-12-25 23:34:46] <MrTT> totemist?
  1329. [2011-12-25 23:35:12] <MrTT> I don't recall such a quest, can I have a link?
  1330. [2011-12-25 23:35:27] <Grail> http://suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com/archive.html?tags=Totem
  1331. [2011-12-25 23:35:33] <Grail> Ran months ago
  1332. [2011-12-25 23:35:36] <Ironybot> A quest on /tg/. Apprentice tries to step into the shoes of his deceased master in the profession of totemist, which basically revolves around killing animals for magical powers.
  1333. [2011-12-25 23:35:39] <Grail> Was popular
  1334. [2011-12-25 23:36:18] <Ironybot> I thought that it was fairly bland aside from the mechanical gimmick, but it was well-liked nevertheless.
  1335. [2011-12-25 23:36:24] <MrTT> pretty neat
  1336. [2011-12-25 23:36:32] <MrTT> Its hard to find quests on tg
  1337. [2011-12-25 23:36:50] <Grail> I thought it was well written enough, the combat notably so.
  1338. [2011-12-25 23:37:08] <MrTT> awesome, i am gonna read it right the fuck now :)
  1339. [2011-12-25 23:37:23] <MrTT> "<Ironybot> And we really need to get a background in demiplanar mechanics somewhere." - that is a very very good point
  1340. [2011-12-25 23:38:04] <MrTT> Ok then, we shelve my part of the plan until we properly investigate planar mechanics
  1341. [2011-12-25 23:38:40] <MrTT> and go right ahead with your part of the plan of redfining death for Armas Laine only, to mean total destruction of the soul
  1342. [2011-12-25 23:38:47] <Ironybot> Will do.
  1343. [2011-12-25 23:38:53] <Ironybot> Still working on my post.
  1344. [2011-12-25 23:39:10] <MrTT> @Grail: Do you have any input to add to this discussion?
  1345. [2011-12-25 23:39:29] <Grail> Not particularly
  1346. [2011-12-25 23:39:37] <Grail> I feel that it came to a reasonable conclusion
  1347. [2011-12-25 23:39:47] <Grail> And that my food will get cold in about five minutes
  1348. [2011-12-25 23:40:13] <MrTT> oh, and einrik was already IN the eye plane
  1349. [2011-12-25 23:40:17] <MrTT> and worked on the things inside it
  1350. [2011-12-25 23:40:30] <MrTT> we should ask him if he knows what will happen to the plane on our death / resurrection
  1351. [2011-12-25 23:40:57] <MrTT> and if not, if he can direct us to someone who does
  1352. [2011-12-25 23:41:57] <MrTT> Also, we should include something to the extent of "Alter the definition for Armas Laine while leaving it unchanged for everyone else"
  1353. [2011-12-25 23:42:09] <MrTT> Else he could alter the definition for armas laine... by altering it for EVERYONE
  1354. [2011-12-25 23:42:15] <MrTT> since armas laine is part of "everyone"
  1355. [2011-12-25 23:42:43] <MrTT> Actually, just say "me" rather then armas laine
  1356. [2011-12-25 23:43:09] <MrTT> And remember the confer with the brothers
  1357. [2011-12-25 23:44:52] <Ironybot> That's covered.
  1358. [2011-12-25 23:44:56] <MrTT> I got a trollolol idea... get Meng Yun to teach us a chakra config that multiplies speed and only speed :)
  1359. [2011-12-25 23:45:52] <MrTT> Multipliers rather then straight up adds :P... with goblin charm against injury from fast though, plus hummingbird baseline, plus hummingbird for regenerators, plus chakra boost, plus redcaps fleshcraft
  1360. [2011-12-25 23:46:01] <MrTT> We would be hilariously fast
  1361. [2011-12-25 23:46:12] <MrTT> Now you see me, now you are all dead
  1362. [2011-12-25 23:47:52] <MrTT> Oh, and amen fleshcraft to all fast twitch muscles too :)
  1363. [2011-12-25 23:48:10] <MrTT> And darkening respec for speed too :P
  1364. [2011-12-25 23:48:15] <MrTT> oh god that is gonna be so hax
  1365. [2011-12-25 23:49:47] <MrTT> oh, I got an idea. We need darkening training right? Well rabbit is a busy god and can't train us... but he CAN perhaps be willing to direct us at a previous disciple that CAN train us
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