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  1. [12/01/2016@20:51] [20:51:12] <Person #1> dude i am so sick of fucking racism. at this point i dont give a shit what anyone thinks about me. yea im white. cant change it. however i will give anyone a chance. but im not gonna bend over backwards for anyone either
  2. [12/01/2016@20:51] [20:51:18] <@Person #2> Dennis Miller is a famous person who switched sides hughmonstah_
  3. [12/01/2016@20:51] [20:51:30] <@amanforallsaisons> lol Person #1
  4. [12/01/2016@20:51] [20:51:32] <Person #1> i know that sounds hypocritical
  5. [12/01/2016@20:51] [20:51:37] <@wish> politics only worth talking about when people aren't forcing their own opinions down someone else's throat
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  8. [12/01/2016@20:51] [20:51:55] Join: guywiththepants(guywiththep@user/Guywiththepants)
  9. [12/01/2016@20:51] [20:51:55] Mode by ButtServ: +h guywiththepants
  10. [12/01/2016@20:51] [20:51:55] <%gonzobot> ​ Cage-A-Thon Progress: Season of the Witch [2011] (Film # 59/85)
  11. [12/01/2016@20:52] [20:52:06] <UC235> mostly political discussions are people yelling their opinion at the other until they both raise their blood pressure and give up
  12. [12/01/2016@20:52] [20:52:07] <@amanforallsaisons> Person #1 are you actually serious?
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  14. [12/01/2016@20:52] [20:52:35] <hughmonstah_> I've never watched any of his stuff Person #2 I'll look into it.
  15. [12/01/2016@20:52] [20:52:39] <@Person #2> speaking about racisim, I have a new employee, indian decent....beard..... told us he walked out of the grocery store and someone toldhim to go back to his fucking country
  16. [12/01/2016@20:52] [20:52:48] <Person #1> kind of yea. im not the best with words
  17. [12/01/2016@20:52] [20:52:58] *@amanforallsaisons* is fucking shocked
  18. [12/01/2016@20:53] [20:53:00] <Person #1> i think the media makes to big of a deal about racism
  19. [12/01/2016@20:53] [20:53:06] <%guywiththepants> Oh god, what's happeining!?!
  20. [12/01/2016@20:53] [20:53:07] <emptyay> "but I was born here and also I'm Indian not middle eastern"
  21. [12/01/2016@20:53] [20:53:11] <@Person #2> s/media/obama
  22. [12/01/2016@20:53] [20:53:11] <%gonzobot> Correction, <Person #1> i think the obama makes to big of a deal about racism
  23. [12/01/2016@20:53] [20:53:18] <Person #1> lol
  24. [12/01/2016@20:53] [20:53:23] <@amanforallsaisons> ok
  25. [12/01/2016@20:53] [20:53:41] <Person #1> were all people. why differentiate?
  26. [12/01/2016@20:54] [20:54:00] <hughmonstah_> I literally saw a random white guy on the train about to sock a brown guy for just standing there the other day..
  27. [12/01/2016@20:54] [20:54:22] <@amanforallsaisons> welp, that's it's racism has been solved. we're all people. no need to differentiate.
  28. [12/01/2016@20:54] [20:54:23] <@Person #2> yeah! fuck those non-people like trees and turtles Person #1
  29. [12/01/2016@20:54] [20:54:29] <@amanforallsaisons> Congrats White People, we've solved problems for the brown people again!
  30. [12/01/2016@20:54] [20:54:36] <hughmonstah_> I think we should appreciate our differences instead of not seeing color Person #1 Diversity is nice to have.
  31. [12/01/2016@20:54] [20:54:49] <emptyay> here where I live I have the perfect blend of conservative "Southern" culture and dirty pot smoking hippies that makes me never want to engage anyone at all
  32. [12/01/2016@20:55] [20:55:07] <@wish> Person #2: you frigging treeist
  33. [12/01/2016@20:55] [20:55:16] <emptyay> dude treeists are the worst
  34. [12/01/2016@20:55] [20:55:19] <Person #1> everyone just gets offended way too easy.
  35. [12/01/2016@20:55] [20:55:24] <emptyay> like, trees aren't people too, am i right?
  36. [12/01/2016@20:55] [20:55:32] <@wish> I bet you cant even tell a maple from an oak
  37. [12/01/2016@20:55] [20:55:53] <emptyay> I can tell when a tree is an aspen
  38. [12/01/2016@20:55] [20:55:59] <@amanforallsaisons> I do know what you mean there Person #1
  39. [12/01/2016@20:56] [20:56:05] <emptyay> because of the way it is
  40. [12/01/2016@20:56] [20:56:50] <@wish> i can tell whena tree is ~in~ aspen
  41. [12/01/2016@20:57] [20:57:15] <emptyay> that's pretty neat!
  42. [12/01/2016@20:57] [20:57:21] <@wish> ikr
  43. [12/01/2016@20:57] [20:57:45] <emptyay> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hm3JodBR-vs
  44. [12/01/2016@20:57] [20:57:45] <%gonzobot> (emptyay) Neature Walk - Episode 1 - length 2m 47s - 56,811 likes, 1,466 dislikes (97.5%) - 10,437,620 views - vicscrappyvideos on 2009.08.05
  45. [12/01/2016@20:58] [20:58:20] <UC235> .yt the larch
  46. [12/01/2016@20:58] [20:58:20] <%gonzobot> (UC235) Monty Python The Larch sketch - length 1m 34s - 339 likes, 9 dislikes (97.4%) - 153,277 views - cheekadoole on 2009.12.03 - http://youtu.be/ug8nHaelWtc
  47. [12/01/2016@20:58] [20:58:40] <Person #1> me and rodney knowin it!
  48. [12/01/2016@20:58] [20:58:56] <emptyay> there's bears out here, mountain cougars, and also biting goats!
  49. [12/01/2016@20:59] [20:59:37] <@wish> i like the camera man's jorts
  50. [12/01/2016@21:00] [21:00:04] <emptyay> my brother does the animal calls like in the mall and shit
  51. [12/01/2016@21:00] [21:00:16] <emptyay> because he has no shame and likes to embarrass my mom
  52. [12/01/2016@21:00] [21:00:38] <emptyay> I just realized I shoudl get him a shirt for christmas
  53. [12/01/2016@21:00] [21:00:39] <Person #1> haha i have watched pretty much all the neature videos and this one is the best.
  54. [12/01/2016@21:00] [21:00:56] <@wish> lol
  55. [12/01/2016@21:01] [21:01:14] Quit: KittyCat-Banana(KittyCat-Ba@user/Kittycat-Banana): Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client
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  59. [12/01/2016@21:01] [21:01:29] <%gonzobot> ​ Hoot Hoot Bitchesss
  60. [12/01/2016@21:01] [21:01:29] <emptyay> $30 for a shirt, sticker and signed picture lol
  61. [12/01/2016@21:01] [21:01:37] <UC235> this is my first time with neature walk...
  62. [12/01/2016@21:01] [21:01:40] <UC235> it's beautiful
  63. [12/01/2016@21:01] [21:01:55] <Person #1> someone brought up politics earlier. what does anyone think about the dakota access pipeline? kind of a big deal in my neck of the woods
  64. [12/01/2016@21:01] [21:01:57] <@wish> oh steam awards started
  65. [12/01/2016@21:02] [21:02:00] <@wish> i hope they announce HL3
  66. [12/01/2016@21:02] [21:02:15] <emptyay> yeah like a week back, make sure you do all the shit to get the badge!
  67. [12/01/2016@21:02] [21:02:23] <@wish> no i mean the show
  68. [12/01/2016@21:02] [21:02:25] <@wish> like right this minute
  69. [12/01/2016@21:02] [21:02:32] <emptyay> oh well then that's new info
  70. [12/01/2016@21:03] [21:03:08] Quit: emptyay(emptyay@user/EmptyAy): Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client
  71. [12/01/2016@21:03] [21:03:11] <KittyCat-Banana> guywiththepants!!!!!!
  72. [12/01/2016@21:03] [21:03:32] <@Person #2> honestly don't know Person #1
  73. [12/01/2016@21:03] [21:03:57] <UC235> Im not knowledgeable about the actual legal situation.
  74. [12/01/2016@21:04] [21:04:37] <Person #1> i dont think they have any legal legs to stand on.
  75. [12/01/2016@21:05] [21:05:02] <hughmonstah_> Is it running through Native American lands?
  76. [12/01/2016@21:05] [21:05:02] <Person #1> also ND got like 12 inches of snow the last few days.
  77. [12/01/2016@21:05] [21:05:08] <Person #1> it is not
  78. [12/01/2016@21:05] [21:05:16] <Person #1> through indian land
  79. [12/01/2016@21:05] [21:05:17] <hughmonstah_> oo
  80. [12/01/2016@21:05] [21:05:40] <hughmonstah_> actually is it running through or near any water source?
  81. [12/01/2016@21:05] [21:05:40] <Person #1> with all the snow all the poser protesters will leave
  82. [12/01/2016@21:05] [21:05:41] <@Person #2> s/snow/dick
  83. [12/01/2016@21:05] [21:05:41] <%gonzobot> Correction, <Person #1> with all the dick all the poser protesters will leave
  84. [12/01/2016@21:05] [21:05:45] <@Person #2> damnt
  85. [12/01/2016@21:06] [21:06:01] <Person #1> it will go 92 feet under the river
  86. [12/01/2016@21:06] [21:06:31] <hughmonstah_> Yeahhh that's sketchy
  87. [12/01/2016@21:06] [21:06:47] <hughmonstah_> I prefer my water clear and habitable
  88. [12/01/2016@21:07] [21:07:16] <Person #1> there are pipelines everywhere 200+ million miles of them in fact.
  89. [12/01/2016@21:07] [21:07:24] <hughmonstah_> Why do we need more then?
  90. [12/01/2016@21:07] [21:07:41] <KittyCat-Banana> guywiththepants
  91. [12/01/2016@21:07] [21:07:41] <Person #1> because oil needs to be moved
  92. [12/01/2016@21:07] [21:07:48] <@amanforallsaisons> technically hughmonstah_, it is going through Native American lands
  93. [12/01/2016@21:07] [21:07:54] <hughmonstah_> How was it being moved before?
  94. [12/01/2016@21:08] [21:08:01] <@amanforallsaisons> but there's been a title dispute since 1492 which complicates things
  95. [12/01/2016@21:08] [21:08:02] <Person #1> saisons source please
  96. [12/01/2016@21:08] [21:08:23] <@amanforallsaisons> are you fucking kidding me?
  97. [12/01/2016@21:08] [21:08:24] <Person #1> nevermind i know where you are going
  98. [12/01/2016@21:08] [21:08:43] <@amanforallsaisons> you want a source for the fact that any land in the US was originally Native American until we bought, swindled, stole or killed for it?
  99. [12/01/2016@21:09] [21:09:00] <@Person #2> lol 1492
  100. [12/01/2016@21:09] [21:09:15] <@Person #2> it took a few minutes to get it honestly
  101. [12/01/2016@21:09] [21:09:16] <Person #1> i thought you were gonna talk a bout a discrepancy between treaties (there is one)
  102. [12/01/2016@21:09] [21:09:29] <@amanforallsaisons> there always is
  103. [12/01/2016@21:09] [21:09:42] <@amanforallsaisons> because most of those treaties were signed at the end of a gun
  104. [12/01/2016@21:09] [21:09:45] <@Person #2> in all fairness amanforallsaisons, the indians helped us kill other indians to help advance their tribal wars
  105. [12/01/2016@21:09] [21:09:55] <@amanforallsaisons> and even the legitimate ones we've abrogated and changed the terms whenever we've felt like
  106. [12/01/2016@21:10] [21:10:04] <Person #1> but fuck. sure they "owned the land". but it was taken. thats how war and history works and thats how borders are created
  107. [12/01/2016@21:10] [21:10:24] <@amanforallsaisons> I understand that Person #1
  108. [12/01/2016@21:10] [21:10:37] <@amanforallsaisons> but it doesn't simply render legal or moral claims void
  109. [12/01/2016@21:10] [21:10:37] <@Person #2> people think the world HAS to be fair Person #1
  110. [12/01/2016@21:10] [21:10:37] <Person #1> also indians killed other indians disputing territories guaranteed
  111. [12/01/2016@21:10] [21:10:37] <@Person #2> it doesn't
  112. [12/01/2016@21:10] [21:10:45] <@Person #2> life's not fair all the time
  113. [12/01/2016@21:11] [21:11:07] <@Person #2> and instead of rising up and defeating their opponent, most people just sit and cry about how it's unfair
  114. [12/01/2016@21:11] [21:11:07] <hughmonstah_> Yeah that's why we enslaved blacks and stop them from voting amirite /s
  115. [12/01/2016@21:11] [21:11:14] <@amanforallsaisons> it's more fair if you're white
  116. [12/01/2016@21:11] [21:11:36] <@amanforallsaisons> yep, but it's ok hughmonstah_
  117. [12/01/2016@21:11] [21:11:36] <@Person #2> i wouldn't know, i don't have any experience not being white
  118. [12/01/2016@21:11] [21:11:43] <@amanforallsaisons> the other africans sold them to us fair and square
  119. [12/01/2016@21:12] [21:12:02] <@amanforallsaisons> then maybe you should listen to people who do more
  120. [12/01/2016@21:12] [21:12:14] <Person #1> dude i didnt enslave blacks or stop them from voting so dont say WE
  121. [12/01/2016@21:12] [21:12:38] <@Person #2> i'll let my jewish family know that their white so they're people never suffered
  122. [12/01/2016@21:12] [21:12:44] <@amanforallsaisons> but you're so sick of fucking racism
  123. [12/01/2016@21:12] [21:12:44] <@Person #2> *they're
  124. [12/01/2016@21:12] [21:12:48] <@amanforallsaisons> and we should stop talking about it Person #1
  125. [12/01/2016@21:12] [21:12:57] <@amanforallsaisons> so, yeah, you're part of the problem
  126. [12/01/2016@21:13] [21:13:06] <@amanforallsaisons> in my opinion
  127. [12/01/2016@21:13] [21:13:12] <@Person #2> lol
  128. [12/01/2016@21:13] [21:13:22] <@amanforallsaisons> also, I was using We on behalf of the country
  129. [12/01/2016@21:13] [21:13:29] <@Person #2> wait, so he's responsible for what people did before he was born?
  130. [12/01/2016@21:13] [21:13:35] <@amanforallsaisons> you know, the flag that's too sacred to burn
  131. [12/01/2016@21:13] [21:13:35] <@amanforallsaisons> :-)
  132. [12/01/2016@21:13] [21:13:47] <@amanforallsaisons> I didn't say that
  133. [12/01/2016@21:13] [21:13:47] <@amanforallsaisons> I said he's part of the problem today
  134. [12/01/2016@21:13] [21:13:47] <Person #1> how am i part of the problem. i wish i could just bury my head in the sand
  135. [12/01/2016@21:13] [21:13:51] <@amanforallsaisons> based on his own comments
  136. [12/01/2016@21:13] [21:13:55] <@Person #2> if someone hates the flag enough to burn it then they should move the fuck out of my country
  137. [12/01/2016@21:14] [21:14:09] <hughmonstah_> He and others aren't responsible for things happening in the past, but I'd argue that some aren't helping in correcting things now.
  138. [12/01/2016@21:14] [21:14:17] <Person #1> just because i dont recognize the BS narrative?
  139. [12/01/2016@21:14] [21:14:26] <@amanforallsaisons> yeah Person #1, that's called the bystander effect
  140. [12/01/2016@21:14] [21:14:34] <@amanforallsaisons> what BS narrative?
  141. [12/01/2016@21:14] [21:14:38] <@amanforallsaisons> that racism is a problem still?
  142. [12/01/2016@21:14] [21:14:41] <@Person #2> Person #1, you're not part of the problem. carry on
  143. [12/01/2016@21:14] [21:14:51] <@Person #2> amanforallsaisons: is just an angry man
  144. [12/01/2016@21:15] [21:15:05] <@amanforallsaisons> if you, as a white man who benefits from systematic racism, is sick of it, imagine how minorities feel
  145. [12/01/2016@21:15] [21:15:05] <KittyCat-Banana> there are more important issues right now than flag burning
  146. [12/01/2016@21:15] [21:15:26] <KittyCat-Banana> ^
  147. [12/01/2016@21:15] [21:15:28] <hughmonstah_> ^
  148. [12/01/2016@21:15] [21:15:33] <@Person #2> ^?
  149. [12/01/2016@21:15] [21:15:58] <Person #1> honestly i dont think it is a huge problem. we all have equal opportunities. people need to own up to their actions and not blame something or someone else
  150. [12/01/2016@21:16] [21:16:20] <hughmonstah_> Aaaaand that's called white privilege
  151. [12/01/2016@21:16] [21:16:26] <Person #1> dude
  152. [12/01/2016@21:16] [21:16:31] <Person #1> yes im white
  153. [12/01/2016@21:16] [21:16:40] <@Person #2> stop with that white privilege shit
  154. [12/01/2016@21:16] [21:16:46] <hughmonstah_> The problem is that we don't have equal opportunities.
  155. [12/01/2016@21:16] [21:16:47] <Person #1> so what i cant change it
  156. [12/01/2016@21:16] [21:16:57] <Person #1> how do you not?
  157. [12/01/2016@21:17] [21:17:11] <MrAdamLerner> this is what i come back to after a nice outing sending UC235 a box?
  158. [12/01/2016@21:17] [21:17:14] <MrAdamLerner> ...
  159. [12/01/2016@21:17] [21:17:17] <@Person #2> you're white Person #1 so the worlds problems are your fault, fuck you
  160. [12/01/2016@21:17] [21:17:23] <UC235> dumpster fire
  161. [12/01/2016@21:17] [21:17:31] <MrAdamLerner> burrito you can be pretty abrasive
  162. [12/01/2016@21:17] [21:17:36] <Person #1> haha. we are having a civil discussion
  163. [12/01/2016@21:17] [21:17:36] <@Person #2> thanks MrAdamLerner
  164. [12/01/2016@21:17] [21:17:59] <@Person #2> you clearly missed the sarcasm MrAdamLerner since you weren't here for the rest of the convo
  165. [12/01/2016@21:18] [21:18:09] <SubWatch> Self post: "Software Backups" posted in /r/Wetshaving by fitzman49. http://redd.it/5g0pry
  166. [12/01/2016@21:18] [21:18:37] <hughmonstah_> This is anecdotal, but my GF's aunt is white. Lives in Texas. Took her husband's name. Applied for a job and was denied. Reapplied using her maiden name and got interviewed.
  167. [12/01/2016@21:18] [21:18:47] <KittyCat-Banana> its mess MrAdamLerner
  168. [12/01/2016@21:18] [21:18:51] <@amanforallsaisons> Person #2 that's not sarcasm, that's dismissing an argument with a strawman
  169. [12/01/2016@21:19] [21:19:01] <KittyCat-Banana> lets talk about happier stuff
  170. [12/01/2016@21:19] [21:19:02] <@Person #2> it's a silly argument amanforallsaisons
  171. [12/01/2016@21:19] [21:19:11] <MrAdamLerner> yes i agree let's change the subject
  172. [12/01/2016@21:19] [21:19:12] <hughmonstah_> The fact that I myself would prefer to work with White people over Asian people is something.
  173. [12/01/2016@21:19] [21:19:13] <@Person #2> you're blaming a man for something he has nothing to do with
  174. [12/01/2016@21:19] [21:19:14] <MrAdamLerner> SO
  175. [12/01/2016@21:19] [21:19:28] <@Person #2> go burn a cop car and blame the world for your problems, i'll be here winning at life
  176. [12/01/2016@21:19] [21:19:28] <hughmonstah_> Of course there are opportunities for everyone. Others have to work through more handicaps to reach them though.
  177. [12/01/2016@21:19] [21:19:29] <@amanforallsaisons> of course it's a silly argument when you strawman it
  178. [12/01/2016@21:19] [21:19:29] <@amanforallsaisons> but that's fine, let's listen to Lerner
  179. [12/01/2016@21:19] [21:19:33] <MrAdamLerner> My secret santa guessed who i was based upon the shipper information which DHL includes in their email which i didn't know
  180. [12/01/2016@21:19] [21:19:55] <hughmonstah_> Not hard to guess though
  181. [12/01/2016@21:19] [21:19:55] <@amanforallsaisons> ad hominem now Person #2
  182. [12/01/2016@21:19] [21:19:58] <hughmonstah_> Your name is your handle.
  183. [12/01/2016@21:20] [21:20:09] <@amanforallsaisons> should we just wiki the logical fallacies list and go through them?
  184. [12/01/2016@21:20] [21:20:22] <@Person #2> amanforallsaisons: you're being ridiculous
  185. [12/01/2016@21:20] [21:20:26] <@amanforallsaisons> we've already got false equivalence to 9/11 earlier
  186. [12/01/2016@21:20] [21:20:26] <MrAdamLerner> hughmonstah_: i mean, they were able to discern based upon where the package originated from
  187. [12/01/2016@21:20] [21:20:36] <@amanforallsaisons> how am I being ridiculous?
  188. [12/01/2016@21:20] [21:20:45] <MrAdamLerner> it didn't come from my house. it came from a vendor.
  189. [12/01/2016@21:20] [21:20:48] <@Person #2> because you're fucking blaming a guy for being white
  190. [12/01/2016@21:20] [21:20:57] <@amanforallsaisons> I did not
  191. [12/01/2016@21:21] [21:21:00] <@Person #2> k
  192. [12/01/2016@21:21] [21:21:05] <hughmonstah_> I thought you said your name was in the email?
  193. [12/01/2016@21:21] [21:21:09] <@amanforallsaisons> quote me that shit and I'll resign as a mod right now
  194. [12/01/2016@21:21] [21:21:18] <@amanforallsaisons> where I blamed him for being white
  195. [12/01/2016@21:21] [21:21:25] <hughmonstah_> iirc, bystander =/= white
  196. [12/01/2016@21:21] [21:21:28] <MrAdamLerner> guys this is a pretty sensitive subject. just drop it.
  197. [12/01/2016@21:21] [21:21:38] <MrAdamLerner> happier convos.
  198. [12/01/2016@21:21] [21:21:48] <hughmonstah_> Was your name in the email MrAdamLerner
  199. [12/01/2016@21:21] [21:21:48] <MrAdamLerner> has anybody received their secret santa gifts yet and not posted it to mail call?
  200. [12/01/2016@21:21] [21:21:51] <MrAdamLerner> hughmonstah_: no
  201. [12/01/2016@21:21] [21:21:53] <@Person #2> i'm over it
  202. [12/01/2016@21:21] [21:21:57] <Person #1> yea man im done. its fine.
  203. [12/01/2016@21:22] [21:22:45] <MrAdamLerner> but yeah, the vendor was in the shipping info so he figured out what it is and who i am because of that.
  204. [12/01/2016@21:23] [21:23:02] Join: emptyay(emptyay@user/EmptyAy)
  205. [12/01/2016@21:23] [21:23:02] <%gonzobot> ​ http://i.imgur.com/0eCSYlp.jpg
  206. [12/01/2016@21:23] [21:23:02] <MrAdamLerner> it's all good though
  207. [12/01/2016@21:23] [21:23:03] <hughmonstah_> Aren't there more Canadians tho :|
  208. [12/01/2016@21:23] [21:23:10] <emptyay> muahahaha
  209. [12/01/2016@21:23] [21:23:19] <MrAdamLerner> hughmonstah_: how many times do i have to say it's from a vendor? :P
  210. [12/01/2016@21:23] [21:23:22] <emptyay> tomorrow I'm shipping out package one of three to my secret santa
  211. [12/01/2016@21:23] [21:23:26] <hughmonstah_> Wait
  212. [12/01/2016@21:23] [21:23:28] <hughmonstah_> I'm stupid.
  213. [12/01/2016@21:23] [21:23:38] <hughmonstah_> Who ships DHL?
  214. [12/01/2016@21:23] [21:23:45] <MrAdamLerner> it was a canadian vendor
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