Tauros + scarf lilligant logs

[09:07:42] Eternally: in
Eternally was promoted to Room Voice by Shadowtags.
[09:08:47] +nv: I won't be here for long but Scarf Lilli + what :o
[09:09:01] #Shadowtags: gonna wait a bit for a few more guys to get in
[09:09:15] #Shadowtags: todays team will feature scarf lilli + tauros
[09:10:07] lucianvega: ole
[09:10:21] #Shadowtags: howdy vega
[09:10:26] lucianvega: hi
[09:10:47] HJAD: Hi
[09:10:52] HJAD: im gonna be in and out
[09:10:52] lolbro: hi nerds
[09:11:07] HJAD: Scarf Lilli + Tauros sounds cool af
[09:11:08] #Shadowtags: alright lads lets get started
[09:11:18] lolbro: i assume this is scarf pdance
[09:11:20] lolbro: ?
[09:11:24] #Shadowtags: lol
[09:11:27] HJAD: hyper offense
[09:11:31] #Shadowtags: love good sets
[09:11:41] lolbro: or are u running leaf storm
[09:11:54] #Shadowtags: yeah we're running pdance
[09:11:59] lolbro: ok
[09:12:06] #Shadowtags: and yeah hjad HO could be fun with this core
[09:12:11] lolbro: ^
[09:12:11] HJAD: Tags what are we looking for
[09:12:17] HJAD: a scarf lilligant clean
[09:12:24] HJAD: or is it a revenge killer + hwish
[09:12:27] lolbro: ^
[09:12:37] #Shadowtags: 3 attacks + hwish
[09:12:46] #Shadowtags: for tauros to clean late game
[09:12:50] #Shadowtags: or smth else
[09:13:01] +nv: Then it should be Leaf Storm imo
[09:13:10] lucianvega: garbodor can be cool
[09:13:11] lolbro: but then ur a worse specs
[09:13:15] lolbro: or qd
[09:13:19] +nv: Petal Dance locks you in and takes Rocky Helmet dmg from Garb
[09:13:19] +nv: -
[09:13:28] Earth: in
[09:13:29] lucianvega: i mean as partner
[09:13:48] #Shadowtags: so you guys want to stick with an offensive route for this team?
[09:13:52] lolbro: y
[09:13:52] +Eternally: yea
[09:13:56] HJAD: yup
[09:13:57] lucianvega: covers fighting for tauros and poison from Plume
[09:14:01] lucianvega: +spikes
[09:14:15] lolbro: but garb doesnt rly
[09:14:16] lolbro: beat
[09:14:18] lolbro: plume
[09:14:49] #Shadowtags: it takes advantage of plume switch ins at least
[09:14:52] #Shadowtags: with spikes
[09:14:53] lolbro: yeah
[09:15:07] #Shadowtags: maybe something like mixed garb could be good
[09:15:08] lucianvega: theres always psychic garbodor lure but ew
[09:15:26] lucianvega: that kinda requires secondary fight resist
[09:15:36] lolbro: mixed garb lures in lix and pelipper and aggron
[09:15:44] lolbro: all of which lilli+tauros already beat
[09:15:49] lolbro: +other mons ofc
[09:16:15] lucianvega: i usually dont decide on sets during building anyway
[09:16:20] lucianvega: unless its a starting core
[09:16:28] #Shadowtags: fair enough, should we just go with the standard helmet for now?
[09:16:32] lolbro: yeh
[09:17:13] #Shadowtags: now we should decide on a rocker that pairs well with garb
[09:17:28] lolbro: imprison mesprit
[09:17:48] lolbro: beats cm psychics, can beat grounds+xatu with ice beam
[09:17:50] #Shadowtags: weezing looks annoying so maybe mesprit?
[09:17:51] lolbro: uturn
[09:17:54] lolbro: etc..
[09:18:05] lolbro: rip the ellipses
[09:18:43] #Shadowtags: maybe an offensive set would be ideal
[09:18:44] lolbro: then mes provides another check to fighting types
[09:18:50] lucianvega: i mean
[09:18:53] lucianvega: if we r running garbodor
[09:19:00] lucianvega: then offensive mesprit for sure
[09:19:05] lolbro: so what
[09:19:07] lolbro: colbur offensive
[09:19:19] #Shadowtags: colbur rocks + three attacks
[09:19:27] lucianvega: can even be LO
[09:19:28] +Eternally: psychic/grassknot/signal/rock or smthn like that
[09:19:34] lolbro: why gk
[09:19:39] lucianvega: LO set +rocks was always giving me trouble
[09:19:46] lolbro: you can use ice beam+uturn/signal
[09:19:49] lucianvega: but then again, does ice beam 2 koes steelix?
[09:19:57] #Shadowtags: it does
[09:19:57] lolbro: no but it hits xatu
[09:20:00] lolbro: err
[09:20:01] #Shadowtags: a decent amount
[09:20:01] lucianvega: n i mean
[09:20:03] lucianvega: with LO
[09:20:06] lolbro: o prolly
[09:20:08] #Shadowtags: like 40
[09:20:12] lucianvega: ok
[09:20:17] lolbro: but thats what
[09:20:21] lolbro: spikes+sr are for
[09:20:22] lucianvega: we can decide on colbur or Lo later anyway
[09:20:32] #Shadowtags: yeah il leave the item blank
[09:20:45] #Shadowtags: just max speed sp atk for ev's?
[09:20:46] lucianvega: anyways team is really weak to mismagius and rotom
[09:20:49] lucianvega: yes
[09:20:54] lolbro: are we just max speed or is there a certain speed tier anybody wants to hit
[09:20:58] lucianvega: na
[09:21:01] lucianvega: max is fine
[09:21:06] #Shadowtags: yeah lolbro thats why I asked
[09:21:06] lolbro: b/c if we're lo id go mac
[09:21:20] #Shadowtags: i usally just go with max speed tho
[09:21:21] lolbro: but offensive colbur i generally creep neutral 70's
[09:21:26] lolbro: oops
[09:21:27] lolbro: no i dont
[09:21:30] lolbro: :^)
[09:21:36] lucianvega: anyways
[09:21:54] lucianvega: do you think mesprit + liligant and garbodor is even enough to check DD don and barbaracle
[09:21:59] lucianvega: also kabu
[09:22:00] lolbro: since its
[09:22:02] lolbro: scafr lillo
[09:22:04] lolbro: yes
[09:22:15] lucianvega: garbodor can get annoyed by them
[09:22:39] lolbro: but that's kinda part of playing HO
[09:22:43] #Shadowtags: i think we're good vs don
[09:22:45] lolbro: being aggresive and predicting
[09:22:47] lucianvega: ok
[09:22:59] lucianvega: we can put soft check if something fits anyway
[09:23:02] lolbro: yeah
[09:23:04] #Shadowtags: even if we opt to run iron tail on tauros
[09:23:06] #Shadowtags: to help
[09:23:08] lucianvega: well
[09:23:10] lucianvega: for sure
[09:23:20] lucianvega: anyways
[09:23:22] #Shadowtags: ok four mons down
[09:23:24] lolbro: thoughts on facade kang?
[09:23:29] lolbro: to lure in wispers
[09:23:41] lucianvega: team hates ghost,ice/fire types, water types are annoying and we dont have normal resist
[09:23:55] lucianvega: archeops looks pretty threatening as well as scyther
[09:24:02] lolbro: guts av yama works, but thats slow
[09:24:19] lolbro: if we're worried about scyther and cheops, we can go rslide bull+aggron or smth
[09:24:26] #Shadowtags: i like kanga for luring wispers
[09:24:38] lolbro: but then we need smth rly fat last slot
[09:24:38] #Shadowtags: then maybe smth like dd don as the last?
[09:24:43] lolbro: yeah
[09:24:48] lolbro: that sounds good
[09:24:56] lucianvega: second
[09:24:57] #Shadowtags: other thoughts?
[09:25:00] lolbro: but then we get bopped by obama
[09:25:01] lucianvega: checking viable pokemon
[09:25:03] lolbro: and the like
[09:25:11] #Shadowtags: aboma is ass my dude
[09:25:13] +nv: Good luck with the team you guys
[09:25:13] #Shadowtags: dw
[09:25:16] lolbro: wed also only have two mons to outspeed jynx
[09:25:21] lolbro: and nothing to switch in
[09:25:26] lolbro: bar mes
[09:25:34] lolbro: which'll take a ton cuz offensive
[09:25:46] #Shadowtags: yeah we have to rely on offensive pressure to deal with jynx
[09:25:59] lolbro: i mean
[09:26:00] lolbro: tbf
[09:26:01] #Shadowtags: lying down hazards and whatnot
[09:26:06] lolbro: it comes in on nothing
[09:26:13] lolbro: providing garb and tauros hit
[09:26:26] lucianvega: keep in mind we need something for CM psychics
[09:26:36] lucianvega: musharna sets up on all
[09:26:41] lolbro: [12:19:23] lolbro: imprison mesprit
[09:26:48] lolbro: plus sd rhydon can out dmg
[09:26:49] lucianvega: how does that stop CM
[09:27:09] lolbro: oh yeah
[09:27:10] lolbro: nvm
[09:27:20] lucianvega: anyways mesprit cant afford imprison because there will always be better slots to fulfil the weaknesses of team
[09:27:25] lolbro: yeah
[09:27:26] lolbro: also
[09:27:33] lolbro: with tspikes+tauros and lilli
[09:27:37] lolbro: and kanga+sd rhydon
[09:27:42] lolbro: mush has to recover too much
[09:27:46] lolbro: in all honesty
[09:28:50] #Shadowtags: yeah i think musharna can get pp stalled
[09:28:58] lucianvega: we can go
[09:29:12] lucianvega: specs rotom for soft psychic check, sof tflying chekc,spinblocker
[09:29:24] #Shadowtags: over don?
[09:29:37] lucianvega: tauros and liligant are cleaners anyway
[09:29:37] lolbro: uhm
[09:29:45] lucianvega: and rhydon hates mesprit early game
[09:29:48] lolbro: we seem kinda weak to
[09:29:52] lolbro: fast waters
[09:29:54] lucianvega: fire water ice
[09:29:54] lolbro: and smu
[09:30:07] lolbro: if they click ice coverage on lilli
[09:30:10] lolbro: so i like rotom
[09:30:16] Fragmented: whats the team currently?
[09:30:28] #Shadowtags: rotom is a good normal check as well
[09:30:40] lucianvega: yep
[09:30:44] lolbro: scarf lilli/lo tauros/dual hazard garb/rock offsensive sprit/facade kanga/rotom(?)
[09:30:47] lucianvega: for offense
[09:30:54] Fragmented: thx lolbro
[09:31:06] lolbro: now on rotom
[09:31:08] lolbro: do we want
[09:31:11] lolbro: hex or shadow ball
[09:31:12] lolbro: or both
[09:31:17] #Shadowtags: i like hex
[09:31:22] lucianvega: its whatever tbh
[09:31:25] lolbro: or do we drop trick/willo and run 4 atks
[09:31:37] #Shadowtags: not sure if we want to run specs tho
[09:31:43] lucianvega: spell tag is fine
[09:32:06] #Shadowtags: yeah maybe spell tag or a bulky sitrus berry set
[09:32:26] lolbro: do we want the offensive prsence
[09:32:31] lolbro: or the more reliable check to things
[09:32:32] lolbro: ??
[09:32:39] lucianvega: i think not having good fire check, ghost check and ice check is huge
[09:32:43] lucianvega: so id swap something
[09:32:46] lolbro: i have
[09:32:47] lolbro: av kang
[09:32:49] lolbro: fwiw
[09:32:53] lucianvega: thats pretty bad imo
[09:33:02] lolbro: its a ghost lure
[09:33:03] lolbro: if anything
[09:33:09] #Shadowtags: i mean its not bad
[09:33:10] Fragmented: yama > kanga?
[09:33:15] lolbro: thats not
[09:33:16] lolbro: rly
[09:33:17] lolbro: ho
[09:33:18] HJAD: Kanga + Ghost lure = nah
[09:33:25] #Shadowtags: it has potential on this team imo
[09:33:31] lucianvega: ghost lure is guts yama
[09:33:51] lucianvega: lets scrap rotom
[09:34:25] lucianvega: as much as having spinblocker is cool, having to check so much in 1 last slot isnt possible
[09:34:43] lucianvega: if lapras wasnt weak to rocks it would fill last slot well
[09:35:06] lolbro: uhm
[09:35:07] Fragmented: what about mag?
[09:35:08] lolbro: what about
[09:35:13] lolbro: av lanturn over kanga
[09:35:33] lucianvega: psyshock jynx destroys team
[09:35:40] #Shadowtags: that can work
[09:35:43] #Shadowtags: thoughts?
[09:35:46] lolbro: well
[09:35:54] lolbro: how much does 252+ signal do
[09:36:36] lucianvega: like 60
[09:36:49] lolbro: plus potential sr+spikes
[09:36:51] lucianvega: while its dying in process because of lovely kiss
[09:37:46] lolbro: what about specs swellow over kanga then av chan in the last slot
[09:37:56] lucianvega: then scyther check being X is nice
[09:38:03] lolbro: thats what
[09:38:08] lolbro: luring is for
[09:38:09] lolbro: :d
[09:38:11] lolbro: :D
[09:38:29] lolbro: also
[09:38:32] lolbro: jynx and scyther
[09:38:35] lolbro: are supposed to beat
[09:38:36] lolbro: offense
[09:38:43] lolbro: or give it
[09:38:44] lolbro: a tough time
[09:39:33] #Shadowtags: Im thinking av lanturn and hitmonchan probs
[09:39:36] #Shadowtags: as the last two
[09:39:54] lucianvega: but then team gets 6 0ed by psychic types
[09:41:06] lolbro: musharna gets super pressured
[09:41:15] lolbro: tspikes plus tauros and lilli
[09:41:22] lucianvega: it can just lead and win
[09:41:40] lucianvega: theresnothing that 2 koes it
[09:41:41] #Shadowtags: actually we can try klinklang in the fifth slot
[09:41:48] lucianvega: sure
[09:41:56] lolbro: 252 SpA Life Orb Lilligant Petal Dance vs. 240 HP / 16 SpD Musharna: 231-274 (53.3 - 63.2%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Leftovers recovery
[09:41:56] lucianvega: its also an ice resist
[09:41:58] lolbro: oh
[09:42:00] lolbro: nvm
[09:42:10] lucianvega: and now a
[09:42:13] lucianvega: fire water check
[09:42:16] #Shadowtags: love lo petal dance
[09:42:20] lolbro: kek
[09:42:21] lucianvega: and a ghost check
[09:42:22] lolbro: so does
[09:42:23] lolbro: ladder
[09:42:27] #Shadowtags: lol
[09:42:52] lolbro: the only thing that checks ice water and ghost
[09:42:55] lolbro: is guts av yama
[09:42:55] lolbro: or
[09:42:56] lolbro: dino
[09:42:58] lucianvega: fire/water*
[09:43:02] lucianvega: not ice
[09:43:06] lucianvega: if we have kllinklang
[09:43:10] lolbro: sam situations
[09:43:13] lucianvega: anyways
[09:43:18] lucianvega: lanturn gives electric immunity as well
[09:43:46] lucianvega: then theres offensive sliggo
[09:43:52] #Shadowtags: lanturn can work but I might wanna run a resist berry on klink if we do that
[09:44:03] lolbro: like?
[09:44:07] #Shadowtags: shuca
[09:44:13] lolbro: shuca lanturn
[09:44:13] lucianvega: offensive sliggo can lure steelix
[09:44:29] #Shadowtags: helps handle archeops better
[09:45:12] lucianvega: we r also forced to run hp grass lanturn
[09:45:19] lucianvega: because gastrodon looks a bit aids
[09:45:26] lolbro: uh
[09:45:34] lolbro: did u forget theres a lilligant
[09:45:38] #Shadowtags: only bad players run non hp grass lanturn
[09:45:39] lucianvega: thats only one
[09:46:13] lucianvega: anyway theres no other option than lanturn at this point
[09:48:30] #Shadowtags: actually hp fire might be useful here since we have trouble breaking ferro
[09:49:30] lucianvega: yes but
[09:49:36] lucianvega: gastro is more threat than fero
[09:49:45] lucianvega: we can run hp fire mesprit
[09:49:50] #Shadowtags: maybe but gastro is more prone to hazards
[09:49:53] #Shadowtags: than ferro
[09:49:55] lucianvega: yep
[09:50:15] lucianvega: theres option between hp fire lili, mesprit,and lanturn
[09:50:20] #Shadowtags: ill slash it when I post the team and explain to benefits of each one
[09:50:21] lucianvega: tauros weakens it with fblast nicely
[09:50:23] lucianvega: sure
[09:50:30] lucianvega: anyways whos gonna make pastebin
[09:50:38] #Shadowtags: i got it
[09:50:40] lucianvega: kk
[09:51:17] #Shadowtags: http://hastebin.com/kodapivadu.md
[09:51:25] #Shadowtags: everything look good?
[09:52:04] #Shadowtags: oh did we want iron tail or zheadbutt as last slot?
[09:52:18] #Shadowtags: on tauros
[09:52:47] lolbro: i dont like sub shuca
[09:52:55] lolbro: but mayB thats just me
[09:53:03] lucianvega: iron tail imo
[09:53:15] lucianvega: zen heabut doesnt rly help much from experience
[09:53:20] lucianvega: and everyone lower ladder runs cradily
[09:53:29] lucianvega: if someone is gona lader with team
[09:53:34] lucianvega: you can also put Work up
[09:53:57] #Shadowtags: like between iron tail tauros and lilli we should be fine vs archeops and be able to just use lefties on klink
[09:53:59] #Shadowtags: but idk
[09:54:13] lucianvega: we r fine vs archeops
[09:54:22] lucianvega: mesprit takes any hit 2
[09:54:47] #Shadowtags: kk made those last changes
[09:54:51] #Shadowtags: good job boys
[09:54:51] lucianvega: put life orb on mesprit
[09:55:10] lucianvega: and add 4 def Evs
[09:55:37] #Shadowtags: i like the extra insurance vs fighters with colbur
[09:55:53] lucianvega: fair enough
[09:56:30] lucianvega: id also put a bit more bulk on klinklang since its pressured to take on many threats
[09:56:53] lucianvega: so like, 100 speed outspeeds abomasnow and base 70s
[09:58:07] #Shadowtags: ugh i hate slow klink
[09:58:10] #Shadowtags: youre right tho
[09:58:24] #Shadowtags: did
[09:58:37] lucianvega: everything else should be fine
[09:58:52] #Shadowtags: nice!