[19:55:02] @Zangooser!: .msg baconbagonz, lana del rey is a great artist
[19:55:04] @Zangooser!: oh oops
[19:55:04] We are Raimon high: Oh Ffs fucking fail at typing
[19:55:09] We are Raimon high: Lmao gooser
[19:55:14] baconbagonz: rof
[19:55:25] Deathly ♛The King: lol lana del ray
[19:55:27] @unfixable: so guys
[19:55:39] @unfixable: i have something to bring up for a point of discussion
[19:55:43] @unfixable: pls no flame wars :x
[19:55:46] baconbagonz: yeah dark void is amazing
[19:55:48] baconbagonz: but
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[19:55:54] baconbagonz: sucker punch is still great
[19:56:02] +kingslayer2779: ban offense
[19:56:09] We are Raimon high: :/
[19:56:15] ourk: ban hoopa
[19:56:16] We are Raimon high: sucker is good, I prefer dark void bacon
[19:56:16] +ih8ih8sn0w: unfix, what is it?
[19:56:24] We are Raimon high: not sure if my opionion matters fho
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[19:56:30] @unfixable: i believe we need to reverse the stabmons change. here me out on this one
[19:56:31] We are Raimon high: opinion*
[19:56:41] @unfixable: this metagame is so offensively-orientedl; defense teams are hbardly seen
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[19:56:48] @unfixable: the point of the change was to allow more playstyle versatility
[19:56:57] Deathly ♛The King: tbh I like pre as well
[19:56:58] @unfixable: and it has just become worse
[19:57:04] @unfixable: eevee agrees
[19:57:07] @Zangooser!: i liked pre as well
[19:57:08] +kingslayer2779: stabmons is unfixable
[19:57:09] @unfixable: and i think it should rever
[19:57:10] @unfixable: revert
[19:57:14] @unfixable: what do you guys think?
[19:57:16] baconbagonz: lol ks
/poll create [question], [option1], [option2], [...] - Creates a poll. Requires: % @ # & ~
[19:57:19] We are Raimon high: I agree with that unfix
[19:57:20] +ih8ih8sn0w: i can agree on that
[19:57:20] Deathly ♛The King: if so you need to do it now
[19:57:22] +kingslayer2779: well stabmons won't have a ladder in a couple months
[19:57:23] Deathly ♛The King: because omgs
[19:57:26] +kingslayer2779: so :^)
[19:57:26] ourk: just delete the meta ez fix ez life
(The poll has ended – scroll down to see the results)
(A poll was started by unfixable.)
[19:57:42] +kingslayer2779: yeah i agree don't change it right before grand slam
[19:57:48] yoman5: Screw diggersby
[19:57:52] @unfixable: i disagree kingslayer2779
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[19:57:57] @unfixable: since the metagame already WAS like that
[19:57:57] #Eevee General: the stabmons open is #3 I think
[19:58:00] We are Raimon high: If it is Heya for the meta
[19:58:01] @unfixable: a revert would bring us back in tim
[19:58:02] #Eevee General: it will be at least 2 months
[19:58:03] We are Raimon high: better*
[19:58:04] @unfixable: and with all the time before it
[19:58:06] We are Raimon high: then why not change
[19:58:06] @unfixable: it's totally fine
Pokémon gain access to either Attacking moves or Status moves of their typing, but not both at the same time.
• STABmons
• STABmons Viability Ranking
[19:58:10] +kingslayer2779: but old stabmons is a much worse metagame :(
[19:58:15] We are Raimon high: no it isnt
[19:58:16] @unfixable: no it's not
[19:58:20] Leafstorm121: what is omgs?
[19:58:21] @unfixable: i think this metagame is arguably worse
[19:58:23] @unfixable: om grand slam
[19:58:24] @unfixable: Leafstorm121
[19:58:26] @unfixable: /roomintro
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[19:58:34] +BetaHousing: I accidnetally voted old stabmons
[19:58:36] +kingslayer2779: when we go back to old stabmons
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[19:58:39] +BetaHousing: my real vote was I wasn;t going t
[19:58:46] +kingslayer2779: we are going to have to ban mega scizor
[19:58:48] @Zangooser!: If we went back to the old one, would Scizor be suspected?
[19:58:52] +kingslayer2779: you know that right?
[19:58:53] +ih8ih8sn0w: would something like for example, making it where if you take a status steel move for scizor, it cant get a physical/special steel move, but it can get any physical/special bug move?
[19:58:57] Whiscashmega: ^ gooser
[19:59:03] #Eevee General: scizor was next zangooser
[19:59:08] baconbagonz: > zangooser talking about stabmons
[19:59:10] Veriel: I thinh, scizor is broken
[19:59:11] Veriel: :@
[19:59:11] We are Raimon high: Scizor is broken
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[19:59:12] We are Raimon high: was*
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[19:59:14] @Zangooser!: I try bacon.
[19:59:17] Veriel: Yah
[19:59:21] +kingslayer2779: scizor isn't broken in new stabmons
[19:59:25] +kingslayer2779: kyu-b barely is
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[19:59:42] +ih8ih8sn0w: so scizor will still be able to get shift gear or gear grind, but not both at once
[19:59:45] %Ransei: imo i think Ursarang has a higher chance of being broken than Scizor does
[19:59:52] +kingslayer2779: honestly the new meta is worse because you allow threats like kyu-b, thund-i, and hoopa to run free
[19:59:55] %Ransei: don't you think?
[20:00:05] +kingslayer2779: which totally destroy defensive teams
[20:00:08] We are Raimon high: Not Rly ransei
[20:00:11] +ih8ih8sn0w: yeah, i can see that happening ransei
[20:00:26] %Ransei: Ursarang/Snorlax/Stoutland
[20:00:36] +kingslayer2779: not to mention bellyspeed was aids
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[20:00:46] %Ransei: but mainly exspeed with something like belly drum yes kingslayer
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[20:00:49] #Eevee General: so what if we just banned kyurem/hoopa from the current meta
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[20:00:54] baconbagonz: in my opinion all these problems would be solved if we uh
[20:00:56] baconbagonz: freed bunny
[20:01:03] #Eevee General: and thundursu and mega bro
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[20:01:08] #Eevee General: and then we're back in the ban spiral
[20:01:08] %Ransei: I doubt it would do much Eevee General
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[20:01:19] +kingslayer2779: mega bro is fine though lel
[20:01:21] baconbagonz: and i'm sure ellipse, the #1 player on this sim according to an announcement made in this room, would agree
[20:01:41] We are Raimon high: Ellipse
[20:01:44] %Ransei: yeah mega bro would leave something good off ban i guess
[20:01:46] We are Raimon high: who tf is ellipse
[20:01:51] baconbagonz: raimon...
[20:01:59] We are Raimon high: the best stabmons player or something's.
[20:02:04] We are Raimon high: something?*
[20:02:05] #Eevee General: one of them, yes
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[20:02:08] Deathly ♛The King: a user that matters unlike kingslayer2770
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[20:02:12] Deathly ♛The King: 2779*
[20:02:19] We are Raimon high: Lol
[20:02:23] Deathly ♛The King: mfw typo ruined the whole thing
[20:02:24] +kingslayer2779: idk if the goal is to diversify stabmons keep the current meta
[20:02:25] #Eevee General: dtk can't even hl his own rival
[20:02:29] +kingslayer2779: lel
[20:02:30] baconbagonz: lol
[20:02:33] @unfixable: thats a bad idea Eevee General
[20:02:33] We are Raimon high: ^^
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[20:02:37] @unfixable: [20:00:49] #Eevee General: so what if we just banned kyurem/hoopa from the current meta
[20:02:37] We are Raimon high: lmO
[20:02:38] @unfixable: it's not the problem
[20:02:39] #Eevee General: ik unfixable
[20:02:46] #Eevee General: that's why I brought it up
[20:02:46] @unfixable: it's that you can literally just slap
[20:02:49] #Eevee General: we just keep banning
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[20:02:51] @unfixable: serperior / terrakion / weavile
[20:02:53] @unfixable: onto any team
[20:03:01] Deathly ♛The King: lol thinking he's good enough to be my rival
[20:03:02] @unfixable: and add like a mix of klefki / tornadus-t / mega of some sort / normal-type
[20:03:04] @unfixable: and just win
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[20:03:34] +kingslayer2779: how is old meta stabbies going to be different though
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[20:03:50] @unfixable: because it's not this metagame
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[20:03:53] @unfixable: with mega slowbro banned
[20:03:56] xJownage: old stabbies with no bans
[20:03:56] @unfixable: serperior falls in usage
[20:04:00] xJownage: imo
[20:04:04] @unfixable: kyurem-b gone, terrakion goes down in usage
[20:04:07] xJownage: no diggersby ban
[20:04:14] @unfixable: weavile remains good, but not as good since it cant prey on the rise of serperior
[20:04:14] baconbagonz: well if offense is winning, we can just drop lopunny :)
[20:04:24] #Eevee General: we just wipe the slate clean with 0 bans
[20:04:26] @unfixable: the three of them are a core that revolve the metagame around themselves, yet revolve themselvesd around each other
[20:04:27] #Eevee General: revert to old stabmons
[20:04:29] We are Raimon high: Bacon stop with the lop LOL
[20:04:32] @unfixable: can we do that Eevee General
[20:04:33] @unfixable: pls
[20:04:36] @unfixable: so i dont have to make a big post
[20:04:38] baconbagonz: no
[20:04:40] baconbagonz: can we wait til z
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[20:04:42] baconbagonz: please
[20:04:44] @unfixable: no
[20:04:47] @unfixable: we need to do this before OMGS
[20:04:48] baconbagonz: D:
[20:04:50] #Eevee General: when Z comes stabmons goes bye-bye
[20:04:51] +kingslayer2779: lol stabmons is literally unfixable
[20:04:52] baconbagonz: before our open?
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[20:04:55] baconbagonz: ks pls
[20:04:59] @unfixable: no it wont Eevee General
[20:05:05] baconbagonz: no it won't
[20:05:06] @unfixable: maybe as a ladder
[20:05:06] +kingslayer2779: people had huge problems with the old meta
[20:05:07] Deathly ♛The King: I still don't like the idea of rotational ladders
[20:05:07] baconbagonz: i'll petition
[20:05:08] @unfixable: but it will never go
[20:05:12] @unfixable: i don't either Deathly ♛The King
[20:05:12] Deathly ♛The King: like what does it even do
[20:05:13] baconbagonz: get on change.org
[20:05:14] @unfixable: kingslayer2779
[20:05:18] @unfixable: that can literally all be fixed
[20:05:18] Deathly ♛The King: whats the point
[20:05:20] baconbagonz: and write a petition imo
[20:05:20] +kingslayer2779: and apparently this one is bad
[20:05:20] @unfixable: i don't see your argument
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[20:05:30] @unfixable: please clarify for me
[20:05:34] #Eevee General: baconbagonz you must not have been here when the last guy used a petition on change.org to bring a meta back
[20:05:40] baconbagonz: wait really?
[20:05:40] Deathly ♛The King: lol
[20:05:40] baconbagonz: lol
[20:05:42] @unfixable: yes
[20:05:44] Deathly ♛The King: I remember that
[20:05:44] @unfixable: dramlamb
[20:05:46] baconbagonz: oh
[20:05:46] @Zangooser: dramlamb?
[20:05:47] baconbagonz: ch
[20:05:47] @Zangooser: yea
[20:05:47] baconbagonz: ew
[20:05:57] baconbagonz: yeah i remember that was terrible
[20:05:58] We are Raimon high: Also as the poll suggests most people want old stabbies back
[20:06:02] +kingslayer2779: My point is nobody was satisfied with the old meta
[20:06:02] We are Raimon high: also what did dramlamb do
[20:06:03] Deathly ♛The King: Eevee General what is the point of rotational ladders anyways
[20:06:04] We are Raimon high: hold up
 Poll ended Which do you prefer?
1. Current STABmons (7 votes)
 41%
2. Old STABmons (10 votes)
 59%
(The poll was ended by Eevee General.)
[20:06:10] +kingslayer2779: and now nobody is satisifed with the new meta
[20:06:10] Leafstorm121: Am I reading this right? Stabmons ladder will be removed?
[20:06:12] @unfixable: tea
[20:06:13] @unfixable: o0
[20:06:16] baconbagonz: yeah leafstorm
[20:06:17] %Ransei: dramlamb made a petition to bring CH back into ladder
[20:06:24] baconbagonz: there might be rotational ladders
[20:06:25] Leafstorm121: Why is this?
[20:06:25] %Ransei: which is why CH is gone from this server
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[20:06:27] baconbagonz: and stabmons has low playerbase
[20:06:27] +kingslayer2779: Leafstorm121 its dying in usage
[20:06:28] baconbagonz: D:
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[20:06:42] +kingslayer2779: it and inverse are the least played oms
[20:06:43] baconbagonz: i feel like most players just challenge their friends anyway
[20:06:49] #Eevee General: when a meta goes under 1000 plays a month it's a bad sign
[20:06:51] We are Raimon high: I'll play it bacon
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[20:06:53] We are Raimon high: D:
[20:06:59] %Ransei: yeah uh lesson learned here
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[20:07:00] #Eevee General: especially more than once
[20:07:07] %Ransei: never post a petition to bring a meta back
[20:07:11] Deathly ♛The King: ^
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[20:07:13] baconbagonz: ^
[20:07:17] @unfixable: Eevee General
[20:07:18] +kingslayer2779: don't petiton anything
[20:07:20] Deathly ♛The King: teg whats the point of rotational ladders though
[20:07:22] #Eevee General: well that's not necessarily true ransei
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[20:07:26] @unfixable: quite frankly
[20:07:27] #Eevee General: it was a combination of thigns that he did
[20:07:27] Deathly ♛The King: I don't understand the reasoning
[20:07:28] +kingslayer2779: to try to get more activity Deathly ♛The King
[20:07:33] +kingslayer2779: cause ur dumb
[20:07:35] @unfixable: it's an awful idea to remove the STABmons ladder
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[20:07:39] +kingslayer2779: no its not
[20:07:42] +kingslayer2779: its a great idea
[20:07:42] Deathly ♛The King: to get more activity by restricting ways to play it? lol
[20:07:46] Deathly ♛The King: that seems stupid
[20:07:48] +kingslayer2779: yes Deathly ♛The King
[20:07:49] baconbagonz: yeah that's the other problem
[20:07:52] baconbagonz: it's not accessible
[20:07:54] baconbagonz: to new players
[20:07:57] +kingslayer2779: when the ladder comes around it gets more hype
[20:08:00] +ih8ih8sn0w: quality>quantity
[20:08:05] @unfixable: ^^^
[20:08:08] We are Raimon high: Well if that happens
[20:08:09] Deathly ♛The King: ^
[20:08:09] baconbagonz: ^
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[20:08:10] Deathly ♛The King: gdi
[20:08:12] We are Raimon high: no one plays it
[20:08:12] @unfixable: that's dumb kingslayer2779
[20:08:12] baconbagonz: ugh
[20:08:13] baconbagonz: raimon
[20:08:13] Deathly ♛The King: raimon stop
[20:08:14] +kingslayer2779: but stabmons isn't a quality metagame
[20:08:17] @unfixable: yes it is
[20:08:19] @unfixable: if we fix it
[20:08:19] We are Raimon high: lmao guys
[20:08:23] @unfixable: just calling it rubbish makes no sense???
[20:08:23] baconbagonz: stop
[20:08:24] Deathly ♛The King: you aren't a quality user tho kingslayer2779
[20:08:30] +kingslayer2779: Deathly ♛The King fite
[20:08:37] Deathly ♛The King: want to lose another #regicide?
[20:08:37] NLT 420 Blaze It: FITE
[20:08:39] +kingslayer2779: but the new changes were supposed to be the fix
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[20:08:44] @unfixable: but they aren't
[20:08:47] @unfixable: and that's been made clear
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[20:08:53] @unfixable: so we revert to the old one, and make fixes accordingly
[20:08:55] @unfixable: is my point
[20:08:57] LadyLeumas: this calls for a RANDOM BATTLE!!
[20:09:02] baconbagonz: ladyleumas pls
[20:09:08] LadyLeumas: sorry
[20:09:08] baconbagonz: this is serious discussion
[20:09:08] +kingslayer2779: like what fixes
[20:09:09] #Eevee General: I'd rather we revert for OMGS so it's easier to understand for non-OM players tbqh
[20:09:10] We are Raimon high: Welp ive always missed old stabbies
[20:09:15] We are Raimon high: for like a month
[20:09:16] @unfixable: [20:09:09] #Eevee General: I'd rather we revert for OMGS so it's easier to understand for non-OM players tbqh
[20:09:19] baconbagonz: yeah
[20:09:22] baconbagonz: omgs needs a large playerbase
[20:09:25] baconbagonz: among like tour players
[20:09:28] @unfixable: revert it back
[20:09:28] We are Raimon high: Yea
[20:09:29] Leafstorm121: Well now I feel guilty for not playing the new one
[20:09:33] baconbagonz: D:
[20:09:33] We are Raimon high: i agree with unfix
[20:09:36] +kingslayer2779: if we go back to old stabmons we go on the ban spiral
[20:09:38] We are Raimon high: I didn't play new one
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[20:09:40] We are Raimon high: i still havnt yet
[20:09:44] We are Raimon high: old one was <3 tho
[20:09:46] yoman5: As long as diggersby stays banned I'm okay with a revert
[20:09:48] +kingslayer2779: because scizor needs to go
[20:09:49] We are Raimon high: I made a team with josh
[20:09:52] #Eevee General: KS we just let it be wild wild west
[20:09:54] We are Raimon high: a while back tho
[20:09:55] baconbagonz: raimon it's an rmt now
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[20:09:56] @Zangooser: !tour
scholastic: Random Battle Single Elimination (Started)
ubers: Ubers Single Elimination (Started)
underused: UU (suspect test) Single Elimination (Started)
tournaments: 350 Cup Single Elimination
[20:09:57] @unfixable: [20:09:36] +kingslayer2779: if we go back to old stabmons we go on the ban spiral
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[20:10:00] @unfixable: no. we. dont.
[20:10:03] We are Raimon high: He rmted it bacon
[20:10:05] We are Raimon high: oh yea
[20:10:07] @unfixable: why do you believe this stigma?
[20:10:08] We are Raimon high: he gave me shoutout
[20:10:13] Deathly ♛The King: ks is bad unfixable
[20:10:15] We are Raimon high: For helping with le team
[20:10:18] baconbagonz: yeah what do you mean ban spiral we'll just unban diggersby
[20:10:21] baconbagonz: all good
[20:10:23] +kingslayer2779: so you guys are saying
[20:10:23] baconbagonz: :^)
[20:10:25] @unfixable: it''s quite frankly not correct
[20:10:28] +kingslayer2779: you are going to unban everything
[20:10:37] +kingslayer2779: and people aren't going to want things banned
[20:10:42] +kingslayer2779: ?
[20:10:44] @unfixable: no, not at all
[20:10:50] #Eevee General: we can do some bans prior to OMGS
[20:10:51] We are Raimon high: Bacons just being sumb
[20:10:52] We are Raimon high: dumb*
[20:10:55] Leafstorm121: Then I guess I can hope it regains popularity at some point
[20:10:57] baconbagonz: you know what would have been good? if omgs was after z came out, and then quality players could investigate the meta and new sets
[20:11:01] We are Raimon high: Cough scizor
[20:11:02] @unfixable: ^^
[20:11:08] @unfixable: OMGS should've been put off, i agree
[20:11:12] @unfixable: but it's happening now, so we have to adjust
[20:11:14] baconbagonz: yeah i don't like the timing
[20:11:16] We are Raimon high: Yea
[20:11:17] +kingslayer2779: then explain whats going to be different when you go back
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[20:11:19] Angoswag: We are Raimon high, do me a favor and lose a match on 1v1 real quick. n_n
[20:11:19] We are Raimon high: when is z coming out
[20:11:20] We are Raimon high: bte
[20:11:25] We are Raimon high: ango gtfo
[20:11:25] baconbagonz: but yeah we'll have to make it fun before everyone joins in stabs
[20:11:27] Angoswag: Lel.
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[20:11:29] We are Raimon high: btw*
[20:11:36] ourk: Honestly I don't see why STABmons itself is so important
[20:11:36] +kingslayer2779: what are you going to do differently for STABmons when you revert
[20:11:40] ourk: Because it's old?
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[20:11:43] baconbagonz: ourk because it's best meta :O
[20:11:43] @unfixable: kingslayer2779
[20:11:44] Deathly ♛The King: also someone needs to teach me how to stabmons if it doesn't revert
[20:11:48] baconbagonz: and cause its creator is important
[20:11:49] baconbagonz: tbh
[20:11:50] @unfixable: it's not what we're doing differently
[20:11:50] Deathly ♛The King: because I don't understand the current meta
[20:11:52] Deathly ♛The King: :[
[20:11:54] @unfixable: it's what is different about the metagame
[20:11:56] Angoswag: Raimon, I am also rank 6 and 7 now.
[20:11:59] Angoswag: So heh.
[20:11:59] We are Raimon high: Bacon when is z coming out
[20:12:00] #Eevee General: because the person who created it is OM co-leader ourk :^)
[20:12:00] @unfixable: the only impact we have is changing it back
[20:12:01] We are Raimon high: nb ango
[20:12:02] ourk: who's the creator again
[20:12:04] baconbagonz: raimon we don't know
[20:12:05] Angoswag: :)
[20:12:09] @unfixable: and then the metagame works itself out
[20:12:09] ourk: teg?
[20:12:10] baconbagonz: ourk it's eevee
[20:12:11] +kingslayer2779: the metagame goes back to be old stabmons metagame
[20:12:12] ourk: ah
[20:12:12] baconbagonz: yeah
[20:12:12] @unfixable: what more do you want us to do?
[20:12:22] @unfixable: yes, that's the point kingslayer2779
[20:12:25] +kingslayer2779: where scizor was the next thing on the list to be banned
[20:12:40] baconbagonz: no scizor was the next thing to be banned
[20:12:42] We are Raimon high: Orip
[20:12:43] baconbagonz: while darkrai was still around
[20:12:44] #Eevee General: just don't let it setup ez
[20:12:44] We are Raimon high: yea
[20:12:46] baconbagonz: it was a while ago
[20:12:48] We are Raimon high: scizor will be banned soon
[20:12:53] We are Raimon high: If we go back
[20:12:53] @unfixable: use chople berry heatran
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[20:12:55] We are Raimon high: to old meta
[20:12:58] @unfixable: the best counter
[20:13:01] baconbagonz: use chople berry magnezone
[20:13:06] +kingslayer2779: so how do you not go back to the ban spiral
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[20:13:10] baconbagonz: that way they don't get away either
[20:13:11] @unfixable: kingslayer2779
[20:13:12] +kingslayer2779: ur basically saying that
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[20:13:13] @unfixable: what ban spiral
[20:13:15] @unfixable: banning one pokemon
[20:13:17] @unfixable: isn't a spiral
[20:13:20] @unfixable: it's one pokemon
[20:13:23] • #Eevee General spirals out of control
[20:13:26] +kingslayer2779: well the one you already went on
[20:13:28] +kingslayer2779: lol
[20:13:30] @unfixable: remember that same logic when aegislash got banned?
[20:13:30] +ih8ih8sn0w: rip teg
[20:13:30] baconbagonz: lol
[20:13:32] baconbagonz: rip
[20:13:43] @unfixable: "omg mega medicham and mega heracross are broken now!!!! by banning it more things get banned!!!!!"
[20:13:44] We are Raimon high: Then TEG bans everything but magikarp and bidoof
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[20:13:46] @unfixable: no, that's not the case
[20:13:47] We are Raimon high: best meta everything
[20:13:51] We are Raimon high: ever*
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[20:13:53] @Zangooser: Sunkern ban?
[20:13:57] We are Raimon high: Yh
[20:13:57] #Eevee General: ban ralts
[20:14:01] We are Raimon high: Dragon ascent op
[20:14:02] +kingslayer2779: I wouldn't be saying it if it didn't already happen unfixable
[20:14:05] We are Raimon high: ban sunkern TEG pls
[20:14:08] @unfixable: and it did happen
[20:14:10] +ih8ih8sn0w: over centralized, the meta forces you to use bidoof and karp
[20:14:10] @unfixable: we get that
[20:14:13] @Zangooser: I'm going to get to 1700 with a Bidoof on my team just to prove you wrong Raimon
[20:14:15] @unfixable: 6/700 pokemon
[20:14:16] @Zangooser: in AG
[20:14:16] LadyLeumas: um would someone explain what is happening right now? I know its something about the old stabmons but...
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[20:14:22] We are Raimon high: Lmao gooser
[20:14:23] +kingslayer2779: i thought people didn't like all the old stabmons bans
[20:14:25] baconbagonz: ladyleumas, look up a thread
[20:14:25] We are Raimon high: if U do
[20:14:26] @unfixable: baconbagonz
[20:14:27] @unfixable: fight me
[20:14:29] We are Raimon high: ill send nudes
[20:14:30] baconbagonz: it's called 'the future of stabmons'
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[20:14:32] +ih8ih8sn0w: Zangooser, do bibarel :^)
[20:14:33] baconbagonz: lol how unfix
[20:14:35] We are Raimon high: John
[20:14:38] baconbagonz: what kinda meta / team
[20:14:38] We are Raimon high: jk
[20:14:40] +kingslayer2779: and that one of the main reasons for the change was to refresh with bans
[20:14:42] @Zangooser: Raimon, pls no
[20:14:48] We are Raimon high: kek
[20:14:49] We are Raimon high: k
[20:15:00] @Zangooser: What do I get other than that?
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[20:15:39] Deathly ♛The King: Guys, there's no clear advantage of one metagame over another. This goes for the old 1v1 vs new 1v1 as well as the old stabmons vs new stabmons. From what I've seen in most discussions, it concerns bias rather than one being "better."
[20:15:45] @unfixable: STABmons baconbagonz
[20:15:48] @unfixable: yes there is Deathly ♛The King
[20:15:49] baconbagonz: huh ok
[20:15:52] @unfixable: old stabmons isn't bad
[20:15:59] Deathly ♛The King: and what makes the new stabmons bad?
[20:16:02] +ih8ih8sn0w: solution: make an old stabmons and new stabmons ladder :^)
[20:16:06] @unfixable: it's offense: the tier
[20:16:09] @unfixable: spam offense and win
[20:16:11] @unfixable: what's fun about that?
[20:16:12] ourk: that's bad
[20:16:14] Deathly ♛The King: and was old stabmons not the same?
[20:16:17] +kingslayer2779: cause that wasn't old stabmons?
[20:16:17] We are Raimon high: And in 1v1 it's also offense: the tier
[20:16:19] We are Raimon high: dtk^
[20:16:28] Deathly ♛The King: raimon neither 1v1 changes that
[20:16:30] +ih8ih8sn0w: old stabmons allowed for more diversity
[20:16:34] @unfixable: no...
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[20:16:37] We are Raimon high: Been up for 3 hours since midnight
[20:16:38] We are Raimon high: :D
[20:16:43] We are Raimon high: im addicted!
[20:17:00] We are Raimon high: And tired, so bye guys
[20:17:02] +kingslayer2779: The reason so many people backed the change
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[20:17:16] +kingslayer2779: was to get rid of all the set up spam that made stabmons so offensive
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[20:17:33] +kingslayer2779: old stabmons was very offensively driven
[20:17:35] @unfixable: kingslayer2779 do you even play STABmons?
[20:17:38] +kingslayer2779: yes
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[20:17:43] @unfixable: not in a rude way, but i've legit never seen you play
[20:17:46] +kingslayer2779: mostly old stabmons
[20:17:49] baconbagonz: rof roasted
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[20:17:57] @unfixable: so how do you know what the new metagame is like compared to the old one?
[20:17:59] +kingslayer2779: i won a daily
[20:18:01] #Eevee General: >_>
[20:18:03] @unfixable: learn the new metagame and you'll understand what i mean
[20:18:07] Deathly ♛The King: nice n huge achievement ks
[20:18:07] +kingslayer2779: i just know what the old metagame is
[20:18:07] @unfixable: it wasn't a roast, baconbagonz
[20:18:11] @unfixable: but a legit question
[20:18:13] baconbagonz: dw was just kidding
[20:18:16] +kingslayer2779: and it was very offesnive
[20:18:20] +kingslayer2779: i remember getting on ladder
[20:18:26] @unfixable: if you've not played both, how can you fairly compare them?
[20:18:28] #Eevee General: did you play sketchmons?
[20:18:33] #Eevee General: have you played AAA?
[20:18:35] #Eevee General: or BH
[20:18:35] @unfixable: did you play no ability?
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[20:18:46] +kingslayer2779: unfixable because ur the one who said new stabmons is offesnive
[20:18:48] #Eevee General: suddenly being offensive is a crime :*(
[20:18:50] +kingslayer2779: i'm taking ur word for it
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[20:18:55] @unfixable: well don't
[20:18:56] @unfixable: LOL
[20:18:57] +kingslayer2779: okay
[20:19:00] Deathly ♛The King: guys when was the stabmons change implemented?
[20:19:00] +ih8ih8sn0w: it is tho teg
[20:19:04] #Eevee General: new stabmons is just confusing, that's why I want it reverted back
[20:19:06] Klaaang: STABmons will always be offensive
[20:19:17] +kingslayer2779: Eevee General i agree on that aspect
[20:19:18] baconbagonz: well i mean no one wanted to exploit sab while it was around
[20:19:20] Klaaang: The new rule just helps curb down on mass shell smash
[20:19:24] baconbagonz: actually it's still around tbh
[20:19:25] @unfixable: Klaaang
[20:19:25] Klaaang: and belly drum
[20:19:25] +kingslayer2779: i'm tired of having to explain the rules every time
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[20:19:30] @unfixable: it doesn't een matter
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[20:19:36] @unfixable: when it's the same 3 pokemon on every team
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[20:19:41] +kingslayer2779: shell smash is cancer
[20:19:48] @unfixable: spoiler: normal clause
[20:19:50] #Eevee General: just smash first!
[20:19:51] +kingslayer2779: as it turns out you can win in ts with mono shell smash
[20:19:52] #Eevee General: ez
[20:19:52] @unfixable: but on a seperate topic: Goalie
[20:19:59] xJownage: unfixable fuck off
[20:20:00] Klaaang: tbh I'm just happy meloetta isn't completely shitting on all my stall teams with smash + boomburst
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[20:20:08] xJownage: normal clause (puke)
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[20:20:21] #Eevee General: (go hawks)
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[20:20:27] xJownage: (puke)
[20:20:31] @unfixable: xJownage
[20:20:33] @unfixable: (puke)
[20:20:39] Veriel: Is pdon banned on 350 cup
[20:20:41] xJownage: sherman gets away with so much illegal contacts i want to shove the football up his ass
[20:20:41] Darkness Demon: anyone want to random mono?
[20:20:41] +kingslayer2779: yeah meloetta literally owns old stabmons stall
[20:20:43] baconbagonz: xJownage
[20:20:43] +kingslayer2779: no Veriel
[20:20:44] xJownage: no veriel
[20:20:45] baconbagonz: (blacksalami)
[20:20:46] Veriel: Ty
[20:20:48] Darkness Demon: anyone want to random mono?
[20:20:55] Klaaang: Normal clause on the other hand would just take too much out of STABmons imo
[20:20:59] Deathly ♛The King: ok gg this stabmons is way more offensive
[20:21:00] Veriel: And can someone tell me why smeargle is banned
[20:21:06] #Eevee General: no normal clause
[20:21:08] yoman5: Can we have an AAA room tour later
[20:21:10] #Eevee General: ever
[20:21:16] yoman5: for continued OMGS practice?
[20:21:17] +ih8ih8sn0w: what is normal clause?
[20:21:18] We are Raimon high: Lmao eg
[20:21:22] @unfixable: Eevee General
[20:21:24] • Klaaang upvote eg
[20:21:24] We are Raimon high: i can't do mono normal stabbies ruen
[20:21:24] @unfixable: wait until you leave
[20:21:27] @unfixable: and i take STABmons over
[20:21:27] +kingslayer2779: both stabmons are incredibly offensive
[20:21:28] We are Raimon high: tyen*
[20:21:31] We are Raimon high: then*
[20:21:31] @unfixable: and implement it with my executive action
[20:21:34] Deathly ♛The King: 86% offense on high ladder this last month compared to 41% in the month before the change
[20:21:34] @unfixable: and fucking ban serperior
[20:21:34] +kingslayer2779: i'm just saying
[20:21:35] #Eevee General: when I leave I'm taking stabmons with me
[20:21:36] @unfixable: > . >
[20:21:37] xJownage: eevee general i'm going to take richard sherman's arm and shove it up his ass the next time he commits 60 illegal contacts and gets called for none
[20:21:44] We are Raimon high: When everyone else leaves ps
[20:21:44] +kingslayer2779: xJownage gtfo
xJownage was warned by unfixable. (chill)
[20:21:53] We are Raimon high: ill just take over 1v1
[20:21:53] @unfixable: okay, a little too far bro
[20:21:56] #Eevee General: xjownage mad lol
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[20:21:59] +kingslayer2779: nfl season is over
[20:21:59] We are Raimon high: lol
[20:22:02] xJownage: shup EG
[20:22:07] xJownage: i'll shit in your mouth
[20:22:07] Deathly ♛The King: shup op
[20:22:08] #Eevee General: hawks rule
[20:22:11] +kingslayer2779: packers won the season with hail mary
[20:22:11] Deathly ♛The King: xjownage e.e
[20:22:11] @unfixable: okay xJownage, stop
[20:22:13] +kingslayer2779: ez
[20:22:17] xJownage: aww ok
[20:22:18] #Eevee General: idc if he rages at me
[20:22:21] xJownage: i can troll in pm
[20:22:22] #Eevee General: it's hilar
[20:22:25] @unfixable: Eevee General, don't provoke > . >
[20:22:35] +kingslayer2779: back to topic
[20:22:37] We are Raimon high: Ok I shud atually go
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[20:22:38] We are Raimon high: gnite guys
[20:22:40] Deathly ♛The King: bye
[20:22:41] @unfixable: night raimon
[20:22:42] Darkness Demon: anyone want to random mono?
[20:22:42] %Ransei: nite
[20:22:45] We are Raimon high: #bringbackoldstabboes
[20:22:48] We are Raimon high: stabbies*
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[20:22:59] +kingslayer2779: the thing i hated most about old stabmons was the teams that would just run 5-6 set up mons and go unpunished
[20:23:01] #Eevee General: someone save this convo and post in the forum
[20:23:05] @unfixable: ok