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  1. [2011-12-15 22:05:29] -->| YOU (Ironybot) have joined #golemquest
  2. [2011-12-15 22:05:29] =-= Topic for #golemquest is ``Current thread: http://goo.gl/coZQj | Disc Thread: http://goo.gl/p0wsG | Wiki: http://goo.gl/LB2hZ | Guns: http://goo.gl/LEhh5 | Guns Disc: http://goo.gl/7Tq3r | Dreamer: http://goo.gl/PeLnk || http://goo.gl/U3JE3''
  3. [2011-12-15 22:05:29] =-= Topic for #golemquest was set by ChicagoTed on Sunday, August 14, 2011 3:05:00 AM
  4. [2011-12-15 22:05:31] <Arkeus> posted in disc
  5. [2011-12-15 22:05:39] <Arkeus> Ironybot: read my disc post
  6. [2011-12-15 22:05:42] <Guile> Oldest game territory, maybe. "I am a dire wolf, prey-stalking, lethal prowler." "Now I'm the hunter, horse-riding, wolf-stabbing." "Now I'm the horsefly!"
  7. [2011-12-15 22:05:43] <Fargist_The_Fifth> ?discthread
  8. [2011-12-15 22:05:43] <Classhole> http://tgchan.org/kusaba/questdis/res/347115+50.html
  9. [2011-12-15 22:05:44] <Guile> etcetera
  10. [2011-12-15 22:05:48] <NotSureIfVirusFreeBob> 4You'd probably end up something like Schrodinger from Hellsing-you could 'stealth' your way in and out of existing. This being, of course, if you DIDN'T fuck up learning the power, as it would be equally dangerous as Borders, with that much power.
  11. [2011-12-15 22:06:06] <Arkeus> Heh, interesting
  12. [2011-12-15 22:06:11] <NotSureIfVirusFreeBob> 3Hello Ironybot. I maaaaybe don't have any more viruses?
  13. [2011-12-15 22:06:21] <Arkeus> he is changing cvolors!
  14. [2011-12-15 22:06:21] <Fargist_The_Fifth> Just the name Schrodinger sounds awesome
  15. [2011-12-15 22:06:23] <NotSureIfVirusFreeBob> So updates should be as normal again.
  16. [2011-12-15 22:06:23] <Arkeus> lezt's pray
  17. [2011-12-15 22:06:31] <Ironybot> You always have more viruses, Bob. It's just a matter of if they're ready to strike or not.
  18. [2011-12-15 22:06:44] <NotSureIfVirusFreeBob> Yes thank you for that reassurance.
  19. [2011-12-15 22:06:51] <Arkeus> heh
  20. [2011-12-15 22:06:51] <Ironybot> No problem.
  21. [2011-12-15 22:07:03] <Arkeus> Ironybot: what do you think of the info in latest disc post?
  22. [2011-12-15 22:07:19] <Arkeus> think it's worth it to do it the safe way, buy johan time in NN and buy the bullet?
  23. [2011-12-15 22:07:50] <Guile> 3 oclock quest time - I invoke the sacred law of "It's happy hour somewhere". Armas must immediately gather a posse of friends and head to the nearest bar
  24. [2011-12-15 22:08:05] <Arkeus> lol
  25. [2011-12-15 22:08:05] <Ironybot> I think that I see no reason not to use heavy luck manipulation on trying to get the Darkening ASAP so long as we can buy enough luck, on the grounds that we're already going for all the marbles so there's really not a lot extra that Rabbit can do to us if we fail our cheat anyway.
  26. [2011-12-15 22:08:24] <Guile> where would we buy luck from? goblins?
  27. [2011-12-15 22:08:26] <Ironybot> The use of more casual luck manipulation should be avoided, however.
  28. [2011-12-15 22:08:31] <Arkeus> Ironybot: apparently it seems SM might NOT be able to sell us luck
  29. [2011-12-15 22:08:33] <Fargist_The_Fifth> Buy Luck from Camella.
  30. [2011-12-15 22:08:36] * Fargist_The_Fifth snickers
  31. [2011-12-15 22:08:39] <Arkeus> at least, that's the impression i got from the update
  32. [2011-12-15 22:08:49] <Ironybot> One moment.
  33. [2011-12-15 22:08:52] <Arkeus> lol Fargist_The_Fifth
  34. [2011-12-15 22:08:55] <Arkeus> that could work
  35. [2011-12-15 22:09:22] <Arkeus> one week's worth of luck from ehr condesed in ten seconds
  36. [2011-12-15 22:10:00] <Arkeus> bob: would it be possible to use the goblins to faciliate such an arrangement?
  37. [2011-12-15 22:10:48] <Guile> how does one measure luck, exactly? and one week's worth?
  38. [2011-12-15 22:11:06] <Arkeus> Well, Camella ahs a lvl3 luck trait
  39. [2011-12-15 22:11:08] <Arkeus> so that helps
  40. [2011-12-15 22:11:09] <Guile> I guess the unit of measurement would be a Camella, all things considered
  41. [2011-12-15 22:11:10] <Arkeus> <_<
  42. [2011-12-15 22:11:16] <Arkeus> LOL
  43. [2011-12-15 22:11:49] <Ironybot> In the discussion thread post 348022, Bob said: "Yes, they could sell you luck-but WOW, general luck is expensive as shit and fickle to define-personally I would not recommend it but yes they can offer it. " in response to my query of "If we asked the Sometimes Merchant to sell us some luck (good luck, specifically), would he be able to? If so, what form would it take, how effective could it...
  44. [2011-12-15 22:11:49] <Ironybot> ...be, and where does that fall in the Crazy Goblin Pricing Scheme (TM)? "
  45. [2011-12-15 22:11:50] <Fargist_The_Fifth> Well, in that case, I'd like 2.
  46. [2011-12-15 22:12:15] <Ironybot> As far as I know, that's all we know about the goblins and luck sales. There may have been later IRC discussion on the matter, though.
  47. [2011-12-15 22:12:31] <Arkeus> Well, how to define luck though...
  48. [2011-12-15 22:12:50] <Guile> considering what the gobbos charge for an arrow charm 'expensive as shit' is enough to warn me off
  49. [2011-12-15 22:12:57] <Guile> 100k for Johan is fine
  50. [2011-12-15 22:13:05] <Arkeus> If you want me to support you on this and not try for 'safer' bullet + Nevernever pocket plan, you need to both make it cheaper and have a GREAT plan
  51. [2011-12-15 22:13:25] <Arkeus> Guile: 100L + 1 weeks of nevernever
  52. [2011-12-15 22:13:36] <Fargist_The_Fifth> We define our goal. "Luck", is all the variables that would make X goal easier/faster to accomplish as strict to the word as possible, with only influences made by itself.
  53. [2011-12-15 22:14:25] <Guile> what do we need from SM right now? Besides the nevernever pocket, he's always been difficult to pin down about those
  54. [2011-12-15 22:15:06] <Arkeus> I want a charm to protect from mind/soul deterioration from thinking too swiftly
  55. [2011-12-15 22:15:07] * MrTT buys bob's PC some computer Hookers, watches the computer viruses spread.
  56. [2011-12-15 22:15:16] <Arkeus> :-( MrTT
  57. [2011-12-15 22:15:17] <MrTT> COMPUTER AIDS!
  58. [2011-12-15 22:16:02] <Guile> We have a Reaper charm sitting in our mansion that does that. Or we could just... stop using it
  59. [2011-12-15 22:16:07] <Guile> use a little disciprine
  60. [2011-12-15 22:16:22] <Arkeus> sure we could, but using it safely > not using it
  61. [2011-12-15 22:16:50] <Guile> Not if we could buy a corvette instead
  62. [2011-12-15 22:16:56] <Guile> or, you know, whatever
  63. [2011-12-15 22:16:56] <Arkeus> It's a ridiculously good ability, so we shouldn't throw it away
  64. [2011-12-15 22:17:09] <Arkeus> Oh, sure
  65. [2011-12-15 22:17:16] <Arkeus> Priorities and all that
  66. [2011-12-15 22:17:24] <Ironybot> A charm to protect us from the dangers of thinking swiftly would be great, simply because it would let us make full use of a capability that we already have instead of needing to be constantly wary of the unknown amounts of mental damage that we're doubtless already accumulating.
  67. [2011-12-15 22:17:25] <NotSureIfVirusFreeBob> 4OH YEAH
  68. [2011-12-15 22:17:25] <Arkeus> strippers for cookie lady
  69. [2011-12-15 22:17:34] <Fargist_The_Fifth> Arkeus...WAT.
  70. [2011-12-15 22:17:38] <NotSureIfVirusFreeBob> 4By tomorrow, you guys need to figure out WHICH of the three disciples you want Armas to learn from.
  71. [2011-12-15 22:17:40] <Guile> There's also the potential to just hold on to all our info for when we inevitably need something the gobbos can provide
  72. [2011-12-15 22:17:46] <sluggo> Efficiency
  73. [2011-12-15 22:17:47] <NotSureIfVirusFreeBob> 4of the three introduced in this update.
  74. [2011-12-15 22:17:48] <Fargist_The_Fifth> ALL OF THEM
  75. [2011-12-15 22:17:50] <sluggo> If that means what I think it means
  76. [2011-12-15 22:17:51] <Ironybot> I am somewhat curious as to how Armas got the ability to use accelerated mental processes at all, actually. That's not at all normal.
  77. [2011-12-15 22:17:54] <Arkeus> [16-12 | 04:44:02] <Arkeus> we should learn from Yun first
  78. [2011-12-15 22:17:54] <Arkeus> [16-12 | 04:44:05] <Arkeus> then Fang
  79. [2011-12-15 22:17:56] <sluggo> That's what I want
  80. [2011-12-15 22:17:57] -->| TMIoverload (~chatzilla@A12FD61F.50C091BF.BEBEC030.IP) has joined #golemquest
  81. [2011-12-15 22:17:59] <Fargist_The_Fifth> All 3 shall be training us...AT THE SAME TIME
  82. [2011-12-15 22:18:02] <NotSureIfVirusFreeBob> 4Fargist that is an option that removes the ability to take options.
  83. [2011-12-15 22:18:06] <NotSureIfVirusFreeBob> 4No Fargist
  84. [2011-12-15 22:18:12] <NotSureIfVirusFreeBob> 4you are not worth that much to Lo Fang
  85. [2011-12-15 22:18:15] <MrTT> fang should be last on the list
  86. [2011-12-15 22:18:16] <NotSureIfVirusFreeBob> 4he would laugh, and tell you to leave.
  87. [2011-12-15 22:18:22] <Fargist_The_Fifth> Aww, I wanted epic training montage
  88. [2011-12-15 22:18:37] <NotSureIfVirusFreeBob> 4Clean your plate of 'shit to do' and then we'll talk
  89. [2011-12-15 22:18:40] <Arkeus> sluggo: i thin efficiency means not losing power
  90. [2011-12-15 22:18:44] <Guile> 'Flexibility' dude would be 'chakra flexibility' rather than 'physical flexibility', I suppose? Cuz honestly the latter interests me more
  91. [2011-12-15 22:18:46] <Arkeus> we have too much power, so that should be last
  92. [2011-12-15 22:18:49] <MrTT> mmm... efficiency is really good, but should be the last thing we learn as we have lots of power
  93. [2011-12-15 22:18:51] <Arkeus> i think?
  94. [2011-12-15 22:19:01] <MrTT> what we need first is control
  95. [2011-12-15 22:19:06] <Arkeus> I want precision first
  96. [2011-12-15 22:19:07] <MrTT> so we don't blow ourselves up with all that power
  97. [2011-12-15 22:19:17] <MrTT> I want basic knowledge of not blowing yourself up first
  98. [2011-12-15 22:19:45] <Arkeus> BOB: 'Efficiency' is about not losing power doing things, right?
  99. [2011-12-15 22:19:57] <Guile> speaking of - I hope Whaitiri and Amen go over flesh magic to increase flexibility at some point, once we have a better grounding
  100. [2011-12-15 22:20:00] <MrTT> using less power to do a thing i think
  101. [2011-12-15 22:20:05] <Ironybot> On the matters of the disciples: We have no need of efficiency at the moment due to excess power, flexibility we already have due to crazy soul powers, and we have virtually no control. Precision guy seems like the obvious selection.
  102. [2011-12-15 22:20:10] <MrTT> flexibility... i am not sure what that would be
  103. [2011-12-15 22:20:12] <Guile> Armas needs to be able to kick himself in the ass
  104. [2011-12-15 22:20:19] <Fargist_The_Fifth> No, we need Efficiency
  105. [2011-12-15 22:20:20] <Arkeus> Ironybot: yeah, same here
  106. [2011-12-15 22:20:21] <MrTT> agreed ironybot
  107. [2011-12-15 22:20:25] <MrTT> well, ideally we want to master al
  108. [2011-12-15 22:20:34] <Arkeus> Flexibility is the next best thing
  109. [2011-12-15 22:20:41] <Guile> TT, you KNOW we arent patient enough for that
  110. [2011-12-15 22:20:43] <MrTT> Lo fang is so super efficient he can make a drop last a mile
  111. [2011-12-15 22:20:43] <Arkeus> as our soul powers will be all about flexibilities
  112. [2011-12-15 22:20:45] <Guile> Like, at all
  113. [2011-12-15 22:20:50] <MrTT> if we could have that level of efficiency with our ocean...
  114. [2011-12-15 22:20:56] <Guile> years down the road
  115. [2011-12-15 22:20:58] <Ironybot> Also, I found it interesting that two of the disciples go by their second names while one goes by their first name. Kind of a random thing to notice and it probably doesn't matter, but eh.
  116. [2011-12-15 22:21:10] <Arkeus> lol
  117. [2011-12-15 22:21:11] <Fargist_The_Fifth> Efficiency sounds like 'juicing out every drop's worth', and since we have....a LAKE of those drops....
  118. [2011-12-15 22:21:14] <MrTT> flexibility though might relate to our powers better since we have a power that grants flexibility
  119. [2011-12-15 22:21:31] <Arkeus> Yeah, Flexibility is better for our powers later on
  120. [2011-12-15 22:21:33] <Guile> not necessarily. could be from a famous family... or stricken from the family records and not allowed to use the name
  121. [2011-12-15 22:21:36] <Arkeus> but we need CONTROL right now
  122. [2011-12-15 22:21:44] <NotSureIfVirusFreeBob> 4Ironybot: Good job noticing which one is not actually Chinese, and took on a new name when he became a Triad.
  123. [2011-12-15 22:21:49] <MrTT> actually we want BASICS
  124. [2011-12-15 22:21:55] <Fargist_The_Fifth> I TOLD YOU
  125. [2011-12-15 22:21:56] <Arkeus> OOOOOOOOOH
  126. [2011-12-15 22:21:57] <Fargist_The_Fifth> I TOLD YOU GUYS
  127. [2011-12-15 22:21:57] <Arkeus> cool
  128. [2011-12-15 22:22:00] <Fargist_The_Fifth> IRONY IS FROM THE FUTURE
  129. [2011-12-15 22:22:03] <MrTT> We should ask the three of them, which can best impart the basics to us
  130. [2011-12-15 22:22:15] <MrTT> I don't think we will be going into any type of specialization for a while
  131. [2011-12-15 22:22:17] <Arkeus> All three gives basics
  132. [2011-12-15 22:22:22] <Arkeus> but basics about different things
  133. [2011-12-15 22:22:27] <MrTT> yes but which is best at teaching the basics...
  134. [2011-12-15 22:22:30] <NotSureIfVirusFreeBob> 4Fargist I would like to say you're wrong, but Ironybot's quest intuition is averaging higher success rates than Jessica's rolls.
  135. [2011-12-15 22:22:35] <NotSureIfVirusFreeBob> 4Which as we all know is impossible.
  136. [2011-12-15 22:22:38] <Arkeus> lol
  137. [2011-12-15 22:22:43] <Guile> he is a witch
  138. [2011-12-15 22:22:50] <Fargist_The_Fifth> >Male
  139. [2011-12-15 22:22:51] <NotSureIfVirusFreeBob> 4warlock
  140. [2011-12-15 22:22:51] <Fargist_The_Fifth> >Witch
  141. [2011-12-15 22:22:53] <Fargist_The_Fifth> wat
  142. [2011-12-15 22:22:56] <Arkeus> LET'S WEIGHt HER
  143. [2011-12-15 22:22:58] <Arkeus> THE DUCK
  144. [2011-12-15 22:23:08] <MrTT> Witch was used for men in the past
  145. [2011-12-15 22:23:15] <MrTT> the whole "witch is a female" is a new thing
  146. [2011-12-15 22:23:31] <MrTT> or old thing that made a comeback
  147. [2011-12-15 22:23:38] <MrTT> or an old thing that is different from another old thing
  148. [2011-12-15 22:23:44] <MrTT> regardless a male can be referred to as a witch
  149. [2011-12-15 22:23:53] <MrTT> in some circles
  150. [2011-12-15 22:24:02] <Fargist_The_Fifth> Why am I re-imagining manly men ala fist of the north star in madoka magica outfits
  151. [2011-12-15 22:24:14] <Arkeus> lol
  152. [2011-12-15 22:24:26] <Arkeus> Anyway, happy i was right about my way to induce souls
  153. [2011-12-15 22:25:27] <Arkeus> Bob: did that previous owner that had many, many spirit animal had the Darkening bloodline?
  154. [2011-12-15 22:25:48] <Ironybot> I am somewhat shocked at the statistic Bob just cited regarding my quest intuition. I didn't think I was doing quite that well.
  155. [2011-12-15 22:25:58] <Fargist_The_Fifth> I'm more interested in HOW could she have so many 'slots'
  156. [2011-12-15 22:26:17] <Fargist_The_Fifth> Slots for Spirit Animals, of course
  157. [2011-12-15 22:26:20] <Arkeus> Fargist_The_Fifth: maybe she doesn't need that many
  158. [2011-12-15 22:26:35] <Arkeus> Maybe instead of increasing her slots, she found a way to tie many spirit animals into one
  159. [2011-12-15 22:26:36] <sluggo> Well how many times have you postulated something that turned out to be incorrect?
  160. [2011-12-15 22:26:48] <Fargist_The_Fifth> Who, me?
  161. [2011-12-15 22:26:53] <Arkeus> Ironybot
  162. [2011-12-15 22:26:54] <sluggo> Of course not you
  163. [2011-12-15 22:26:55] <Arkeus> not you
  164. [2011-12-15 22:27:08] <Arkeus> And, you know. This speaks well for the luck plan
  165. [2011-12-15 22:27:15] <Fargist_The_Fifth> Ah yes, Ironybot, I say you have a level 12 R trait.
  166. [2011-12-15 22:27:31] <Ironybot> I.... can't actually recall. I'm normally fairly cautious about postulating things without at least some solid basis for my predictions.
  167. [2011-12-15 22:27:39] <Fargist_The_Fifth> And you're from the future, preparing Armas to overcome some kind of epic disaster that he couldn't in your timeline
  168. [2011-12-15 22:28:00] <sluggo> And since Bob is averaging your intuition
  169. [2011-12-15 22:28:03] <Arkeus> Fargist_The_Fifth: Ironybot's is a secret player
  170. [2011-12-15 22:28:05] <sluggo> And you can't recall any mistakes
  171. [2011-12-15 22:28:09] <Arkeus> he plays the guy who talks to Silja
  172. [2011-12-15 22:28:10] <sluggo> Of course it's ridiculously high
  173. [2011-12-15 22:28:14] <Arkeus> the note guy
  174. [2011-12-15 22:28:26] <Fargist_The_Fifth> Oh dear god it makes sense
  175. [2011-12-15 22:28:36] <Fargist_The_Fifth> ...kinda.
  176. [2011-12-15 22:28:51] <Guile> *grabs Irony, slams against convenient wall* "YOU are note guy!? Talk, you incorporeal bastard!"
  177. [2011-12-15 22:28:51] <Ironybot> Ah. There you go, then- all my mistakes are the times that I don't think my probability of correctness is high enough to justify bringing up my ideas.
  178. [2011-12-15 22:29:13] <Ironybot> Just saying, but how can you slam someone incorporeal against a wall?
  179. [2011-12-15 22:29:25] <Fargist_The_Fifth> ...it's an incorporeal wall too, alright?
  180. [2011-12-15 22:29:33] <Arkeus> the same way you can punch someone via TCP/IP
  181. [2011-12-15 22:29:38] <Ironybot> So not, then,.
  182. [2011-12-15 22:30:24] |<-- Wutenheimer has left irc.rizon.net ()
  183. [2011-12-15 22:30:25] <Fargist_The_Fifth> I love how Note Guy always gets his last sentence cut off.
  184. [2011-12-15 22:30:40] <Fargist_The_Fifth> "WORD LIMIT MY-"
  185. [2011-12-15 22:30:44] <Arkeus> Totallynotonpurpose.png
  186. [2011-12-15 22:32:02] <Arkeus> Anyway IronyBot, if you make a SOLID plan for using the luck thing, and being able to buy it, AND a solid reasoning as to it being 'cheaper' than 100K+NN Time, i'll support you
  187. [2011-12-15 22:33:21] <MrTT> NN time is optional
  188. [2011-12-15 22:33:28] <MrTT> it will take, what, 10 days?
  189. [2011-12-15 22:33:29] <Ironybot> Unfortunately I don't think that we have sufficient available information to formulate a "SOLID" plan. We're working almost entirely on speculation as to the feasibility of this option. I suppose that if Bob feels like answering a few questions we can determine if it should be pursued.
  190. [2011-12-15 22:33:41] <Arkeus> Also, i still want to see if it would be possible to haggle a einher death at the auction in bonus, so we can maximize bloodline via question to OG
  191. [2011-12-15 22:33:54] <Arkeus> MrTT: 10 days is main reason why luck >>>>> Bullet
  192. [2011-12-15 22:33:56] <Arkeus> decay :-(
  193. [2011-12-15 22:34:00] <MrTT> no
  194. [2011-12-15 22:34:04] <MrTT> decay is not that quick
  195. [2011-12-15 22:34:15] <Arkeus> Even 2% loss is a big deal
  196. [2011-12-15 22:34:16] <NotSureIfVirusFreeBob> 4I can answer some questions.
  197. [2011-12-15 22:34:19] <Ironybot> I believe that we could haggle for the deaths of numerous mortal einher at the auction; each should be relatively inexpensive compared to the other things on the table.
  198. [2011-12-15 22:34:23] <MrTT> i am pretty sure we were told decay only becomes an issue after a about a season
  199. [2011-12-15 22:34:27] <MrTT> we have months
  200. [2011-12-15 22:34:39] <MrTT> remember that we are ever growing
  201. [2011-12-15 22:34:41] <Arkeus> bob, can you confirm what MrTT is sayibng?
  202. [2011-12-15 22:34:51] <Arkeus> because i seem to understand the opposite
  203. [2011-12-15 22:35:01] <Arkeus> that we could lose at least 1-2% in a week
  204. [2011-12-15 22:35:08] <MrTT> also, i don't see why luck is super fast
  205. [2011-12-15 22:35:16] <MrTT> luck has to be acquired somehow
  206. [2011-12-15 22:35:19] <Arkeus> MrTT: because we can buy it right now?
  207. [2011-12-15 22:35:23] <MrTT> from?
  208. [2011-12-15 22:35:26] <Arkeus> SM can sell it, that was confirmed earlier
  209. [2011-12-15 22:35:36] <MrTT> i missed that
  210. [2011-12-15 22:35:42] <NotSureIfVirusFreeBob> Throw up actual questions, I will respond to them.
  211. [2011-12-15 22:35:48] <MrTT> well... SM would also be the one to provide the NN pocket which is much cheaper
  212. [2011-12-15 22:35:48] <Ironybot> Ah, excellent! Thank you, Bob. Then: Can Sometimes Merchant sell us sufficient luck, in any form- restricted to guns, restricted to specific time of use, whatever makes it more powerful or less expensive- that we could achieve near-certainty of getting a Darkening result from the use of Iron Trick to try for a bloodline?
  213. [2011-12-15 22:36:00] <MrTT> and he can probably supply us with a slab of gold
  214. [2011-12-15 22:36:08] <BUTTZ> <MrTT>we have months
  215. [2011-12-15 22:36:09] <MrTT> which we can use to quickly pay off the guy
  216. [2011-12-15 22:36:11] <BUTTZ> No, no we don't
  217. [2011-12-15 22:36:31] <BUTTZ> We were warned about that when someone mentioned wanting to wait for Camella's bloodline
  218. [2011-12-15 22:36:38] <Arkeus> BOB: Would it be Cheaper to get a NN pocket for one week or such a amount of luck required as described in Ironybot's question?
  219. [2011-12-15 22:36:41] <MrTT> Alright, actual question. How much decay would our bloodline experience from being unfinished for a month
  220. [2011-12-15 22:36:49] <NotSureIfVirusFreeBob> Ironybot: Yes, he is able to offer sufficiently potent, sufficiently restricted luck as to nearly guarantee certainty-there would be a d20 roll, and only on a 1 would it fail. But there would still be an ELEMENT of chance-since that's what it's built around.
  221. [2011-12-15 22:37:14] <Guile> it hasnt even been a week yet
  222. [2011-12-15 22:37:18] <NotSureIfVirusFreeBob> Arkeus: You should know by now that's reliant on what specific details are used for each option, and as such no blanket answer exists.
  223. [2011-12-15 22:37:29] <Fargist_The_Fifth> ...I want to roll for that gamble.
  224. [2011-12-15 22:37:36] <sluggo> To clarify on a one we would be required to actually roll a d3 and face the consequences?
  225. [2011-12-15 22:37:50] <Gunpowder_Symphony> Just don't let Wut roll, whatever happens.
  226. [2011-12-15 22:37:58] <MrTT> well... cheating anf ailing gets punished EXTRA HARD
  227. [2011-12-15 22:38:12] <MrTT> by rabbit according to IT
  228. [2011-12-15 22:38:20] <sluggo> The real question here is comparative cost
  229. [2011-12-15 22:38:24] <Fargist_The_Fifth> We get Trick removed from us
  230. [2011-12-15 22:38:25] <Arkeus> Ironybot: Getting NN pocket for a week seems safer to me
  231. [2011-12-15 22:38:25] <NotSureIfVirusFreeBob> sluggo: that is correct.
  232. [2011-12-15 22:38:32] <MrTT> and remember that a bad roll on that is literally game ending
  233. [2011-12-15 22:38:33] <Arkeus> mmmh
  234. [2011-12-15 22:38:54] <MrTT> its not just comparative cost because with the luck there is still the possibility of failure
  235. [2011-12-15 22:38:59] <MrTT> and a failed roll means = end of quest
  236. [2011-12-15 22:39:01] <Fargist_The_Fifth> Thing is, which costs more? Demonologist, or Goblins?
  237. [2011-12-15 22:39:13] <TMIoverload> Bob, does the special bullet have the same rules as the luck?
  238. [2011-12-15 22:39:14] <MrTT> goblins could pay for demonologists if we barter for some gold from them
  239. [2011-12-15 22:39:16] <Fargist_The_Fifth> Bah. 20-1, this is a GUARANTEED win.
  240. [2011-12-15 22:39:19] <Ironybot> Ah, so the total odds of success would be... 96.66%, with the immediate luck route.
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  242. [2011-12-15 22:39:25] <MrTT> its 19:1
  243. [2011-12-15 22:39:28] <MrTT> 1d20
  244. [2011-12-15 22:39:32] <Fargist_The_Fifth> Fine, 19:1.
  245. [2011-12-15 22:39:34] <MrTT> 19 wins 1 lose
  246. [2011-12-15 22:39:38] <Arkeus> so we have something like 2/60 to lose
  247. [2011-12-15 22:39:39] <Fargist_The_Fifth> Still, it's above 95%
  248. [2011-12-15 22:39:42] <Fargist_The_Fifth> Why worry?
  249. [2011-12-15 22:39:48] <MrTT> because if we fail the quest ends
  250. [2011-12-15 22:39:49] <Arkeus> Fargist_The_Fifth: because it happens
  251. [2011-12-15 22:39:50] <Arkeus> a lot
  252. [2011-12-15 22:39:51] <BUTTZ> Just don't let Wuten roll
  253. [2011-12-15 22:39:52] <TMIoverload> It's better then that really, as a 1 still gives a 1d3 chance of winning
  254. [2011-12-15 22:39:52] <MrTT> armas is forever trapped
  255. [2011-12-15 22:40:06] <NotSureIfVirusFreeBob> I'd love to see this:
  256. [2011-12-15 22:40:12] <NotSureIfVirusFreeBob> 3>use luck
  257. [2011-12-15 22:40:15] <NotSureIfVirusFreeBob> 3>1d20 roll
  258. [2011-12-15 22:40:19] <NotSureIfVirusFreeBob> 3>someone rolls a 1
  259. [2011-12-15 22:40:23] <Fargist_The_Fifth> Guys, can I roll the dice for that Gamble?
  260. [2011-12-15 22:40:31] <NotSureIfVirusFreeBob> 3>on recovery roll-manage to snag Darkening again, all is not lost.
  261. [2011-12-15 22:40:32] <MrTT> why make such a gamble?
  262. [2011-12-15 22:40:46] <MrTT> that would be beutiful bob, yes
  263. [2011-12-15 22:40:46] <NotSureIfVirusFreeBob> 3>fail the synchro and dominance rolls so badly you get a stunted bloodline
  264. [2011-12-15 22:40:51] <Arkeus> lol
  265. [2011-12-15 22:40:53] <Arkeus> -_-
  266. [2011-12-15 22:40:57] <NotSureIfVirusFreeBob> I would laugh and laugh and laugh.
  267. [2011-12-15 22:40:57] <MrTT> oh god, wow
  268. [2011-12-15 22:40:58] <MrTT> hey!
  269. [2011-12-15 22:41:01] <Fargist_The_Fifth> ...stunted bloodline.
  270. [2011-12-15 22:41:02] <MrTT> Dammit I got an idea
  271. [2011-12-15 22:41:12] <MrTT> we need to buy from SM luck restricted to syncing of bloodlines
  272. [2011-12-15 22:41:13] <Fargist_The_Fifth> Best Fuck-up ever.
  273. [2011-12-15 22:41:20] <sluggo> Damn
  274. [2011-12-15 22:41:30] <Arkeus> MrTT: or get a OG question for the same thing
  275. [2011-12-15 22:41:31] <MrTT> we offer him the chance to watch, like last time
  276. [2011-12-15 22:41:32] <Arkeus> and, MrTT
  277. [2011-12-15 22:41:32] <Fargist_The_Fifth> For syncing...with preference towards which bloodline?
  278. [2011-12-15 22:41:33] <TMIoverload> I don't think our roll for the synch is really luck
  279. [2011-12-15 22:41:38] <Arkeus> i posted that like 5 hrs ago
  280. [2011-12-15 22:41:43] <sluggo> I had my money on the idea involving semen, fetuses, twins, or genital mutilation.
  281. [2011-12-15 22:41:44] <MrTT> with preference for not sucking the fifth
  282. [2011-12-15 22:41:48] <Fargist_The_Fifth> Well, Darkening+Sami counts as 1.
  283. [2011-12-15 22:41:50] <Arkeus> lol Grail
  284. [2011-12-15 22:41:57] <Fargist_The_Fifth> So it's...2:1
  285. [2011-12-15 22:42:05] <Arkeus> no Fargist_The_Fifth
  286. [2011-12-15 22:42:08] <Fargist_The_Fifth> No?
  287. [2011-12-15 22:42:09] <Arkeus> there is syncing
  288. [2011-12-15 22:42:13] <MrTT> Thats not only it... there is not only a question of dominance but a question of quality
  289. [2011-12-15 22:42:13] <Arkeus> then there is blood dominance
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  291. [2011-12-15 22:42:23] <MrTT> Syncing and dominance are different
  292. [2011-12-15 22:42:23] <Ironybot> Bob: If we did pay for very focused luck from Sometimes Merchant, could we have luck such that the acquisition of the bloodline would also be affected by our temporary good fortune, improving our overall odds of a good bloodline result, at at least part of those odds?
  293. [2011-12-15 22:42:25] <Fargist_The_Fifth> ...explain this "syncing"
  294. [2011-12-15 22:42:39] <Ironybot> If not, could we buy separate heavily restricted luck for that purpose?
  295. [2011-12-15 22:42:43] <Arkeus> We don't know what it means
  296. [2011-12-15 22:42:43] <MrTT> if the syncing goes bad our bloodline is weaker
  297. [2011-12-15 22:42:53] <MrTT> "NotSureIfVirusFreeBob> >fail the synchro and dominance rolls so badly you get a stunted bloodline"
  298. [2011-12-15 22:43:03] <MrTT> stunted bloodline
  299. [2011-12-15 22:43:09] <Fargist_The_Fifth> Bah. I say...you guys are exaggerating the odds.
  300. [2011-12-15 22:43:28] <Arkeus> I just don't see a reason to rely on luck if we can rely on certainty
  301. [2011-12-15 22:43:30] <MrTT> the odds are very good in our favor... however for a simple 100k payments we get 100% of success
  302. [2011-12-15 22:43:32] <MrTT> I prefer that
  303. [2011-12-15 22:43:37] <MrTT> and its not that outlandish a price
  304. [2011-12-15 22:43:38] <Arkeus> and NN time
  305. [2011-12-15 22:43:41] <MrTT> if it was 100 mllion
  306. [2011-12-15 22:43:44] <MrTT> yea i'd go with luck
  307. [2011-12-15 22:43:53] <Fargist_The_Fifth> Remember: "The only time you should concentrate on the odds, are when decision on "Are the Risks worth the Reward" or viceversa are needed."
  308. [2011-12-15 22:44:04] <MrTT> but 100k is not that much money compared to what armas is rolling
  309. [2011-12-15 22:44:12] <TMIoverload> Bob, how much general luck could we get at the Auction?
  310. [2011-12-15 22:44:18] <NotSureIfVirusFreeBob> Ironybot: Such multifaceted luck would put the cost well in excess of using Johan AND purchasing the services of a time bubble for him to work, even at the second least expensive place you could currently get it.
  311. [2011-12-15 22:44:32] <NotSureIfVirusFreeBob> But yes it is out there to be gotten.
  312. [2011-12-15 22:44:44] <NotSureIfVirusFreeBob> Seperate luck charms might be cheaper in this case.
  313. [2011-12-15 22:45:02] <MrTT> I say we get the bullet + a luck charm for the syncing of the blood
  314. [2011-12-15 22:45:03] <Arkeus> Huh, so it's not just the goblins
  315. [2011-12-15 22:45:06] <Arkeus> thks for info
  316. [2011-12-15 22:45:11] <Fargist_The_Fifth> Whelp, gotta go. Night everyone, I'm happy to see you guys concentrating on cheating the fuck out of this gamble
  317. [2011-12-15 22:45:31] <NotSureIfVirusFreeBob> TMI: You'd really need to define this 'general luck' for me to answer, as depending on how you mean that my answer is very different.
  318. [2011-12-15 22:46:00] <Fargist_The_Fifth> ...and I'd like someone to save these logs, these are...very important to me, don't wanna miss out D:
  319. [2011-12-15 22:46:05] <MrTT> bob, I distinctly recall the warning on not dawdling in completing the bloodline specifying seasons... that is, we are "fine" if we complete it within the season
  320. [2011-12-15 22:46:12] <MrTT> Am I remembering right?
  321. [2011-12-15 22:46:19] <Ironybot> I will post what I have, although I have already seen evidence that useful conversations were conducted prior to my arrival.
  322. [2011-12-15 22:46:21] <Arkeus> fine doesn't mean no loss
  323. [2011-12-15 22:46:24] <MrTT> because ark is really worreied that waiting another week will be detrimental
  324. [2011-12-15 22:46:48] <Fargist_The_Fifth> Thanks Ironybot. Cheating at Gambles is just something I can't miss out on
  325. [2011-12-15 22:46:55] <MrTT> and actually... if we do lose a few percent of power, wouldn't we regain it as we age and absorb magic? as a soul has no maximum level only current level?
  326. [2011-12-15 22:46:57] <TMIoverload> Pure good luck. Not just pure luck of all facetsm good and bad
  327. [2011-12-15 22:47:00] <Fargist_The_Fifth> Anways, really going this time. Niiiight
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  329. [2011-12-15 22:47:21] <Arkeus> bloodline power =!= Armazs power.
  330. [2011-12-15 22:47:29] <Arkeus> unless we cheat by eating souls or some such
  331. [2011-12-15 22:47:39] <Arkeus> Bloodline power also increases the range and so on
  332. [2011-12-15 22:47:44] <MrTT> I thought bloodline power and personal power are the same thing... remember lamarkian genetics
  333. [2011-12-15 22:48:03] <MrTT> a vampire power at conversion depends on the power of his sire, a person's bloodline power depends on the power of their parent, etc
  334. [2011-12-15 22:48:07] <TMIoverload> Someone can have a crap bloodline and be really good with it or just awesome in other ways MrTT
  335. [2011-12-15 22:48:11] <Ironybot> Strengthening bloodlines is exceedingly difficult, or all the bloodline clans would be swimming in power already.
  336. [2011-12-15 22:48:13] <MrTT> a newborn gets a certain percentage of the power of their proginator
  337. [2011-12-15 22:48:33] <MrTT> @Ironybot: I think what happens is that a newborn only get s apercentage of the power of the adult
  338. [2011-12-15 22:48:34] <Arkeus> 'Power of the parent' isn't that easy
  339. [2011-12-15 22:48:44] <Ironybot> That said, we have a line to several gods, who can presumably shove more power into our various bloodlines if we get on their good side(s).
  340. [2011-12-15 22:48:45] <Arkeus> Vampires are special that way
  341. [2011-12-15 22:48:54] <MrTT> like... einrik gets 1/10th (hypothetical) the power of his parents and then grows over time
  342. [2011-12-15 22:49:03] <Arkeus> But the 'bloodline power' is different
  343. [2011-12-15 22:49:08] <Arkeus> as it delimits the potential of it
  344. [2011-12-15 22:49:12] <Arkeus> not the actual 'power'
  345. [2011-12-15 22:49:13] <MrTT> eventually when he has kids, they get 1/10th... the bloodline can grow stronger or wane depending on how far he develops his own power
  346. [2011-12-15 22:49:13] <NotSureIfVirusFreeBob> TMI: There is no genuine, universal luck magic-it's something you either have, or you don't. The best you can do is directed luck.
  347. [2011-12-15 22:49:24] <MrTT> this means that everyone needs to continuously grow lest the power wane to nothing
  348. [2011-12-15 22:49:31] <MrTT> this also explains how some clans and powers wane
  349. [2011-12-15 22:49:32] <BUTTZ> I want the luck of the Irish
  350. [2011-12-15 22:49:39] <NotSureIfVirusFreeBob> MrTT: A season until it's degraded badly enough you can't recover-NOT how long it takes to start decaying.
  351. [2011-12-15 22:49:39] <MrTT> vampires are thus special only in that they live forever
  352. [2011-12-15 22:49:40] <TMIoverload> Just being an awesome with an awesome dude with a subpar ice practitioner bloodline won't suddenly make your bloodline the Valkonen line
  353. [2011-12-15 22:49:51] <MrTT> @Bob: thanks for clarifying
  354. [2011-12-15 22:50:52] <TMIoverload> Mangled that sentence bad
  355. [2011-12-15 22:50:54] <Ironybot> Bob: If luck is something you either have or you don't, then can it be taken from the haves and given to the have-nots through some method? Can we sacrifice seven Irish seventh sons and become one of the haves?
  356. [2011-12-15 22:50:57] <Arkeus> MrTT: For example, 5Darkening could give the portential to be Schrodinger in Hellsing.
  357. [2011-12-15 22:51:02] <NotSureIfVirusFreeBob> In general, clans start to wane once the clan understanding and expertise with the bloodline eclipses the raw magical energy of the clan bloodline. This is not a hard rule, but a decent rule of thumb.
  358. [2011-12-15 22:51:14] <Arkeus> Maybe we COULD still do it, but that would need eating lots of souls or some such
  359. [2011-12-15 22:51:44] <Arkeus> interesting bob
  360. [2011-12-15 22:51:53] <NotSureIfVirusFreeBob> Ironybot: You'd need someone to willingly bequeath it to you as they died to get it. That hard to acquire.
  361. [2011-12-15 22:52:05] <MrTT> clans wane when their knowledge suprasses their raw power?
  362. [2011-12-15 22:52:06] <Ironybot> Hmm. I see. That is tricky.
  363. [2011-12-15 22:52:10] <MrTT> that is odd...
  364. [2011-12-15 22:52:20] <BUTTZ> Contracts!
  365. [2011-12-15 22:52:21] <Arkeus> bob: Would my idea of purchasing Camella's luck for a week condensed in ten second of use possible?
  366. [2011-12-15 22:52:23] <NotSureIfVirusFreeBob> Once that pioneering spark for mastering oneself is gone, the magic fully understood, it takes with it some of the ambition to grow.
  367. [2011-12-15 22:52:24] <Ironybot> New topic, team: How do we get Camella to die and bequeath our luck to us as she does?
  368. [2011-12-15 22:52:25] <MrTT> you would think knowledge would be useful
  369. [2011-12-15 22:52:32] <NotSureIfVirusFreeBob> Complacency much more commonly set in at this point
  370. [2011-12-15 22:52:34] <NotSureIfVirusFreeBob> as does arrogance
  371. [2011-12-15 22:52:35] <MrTT> Oh, lack of ambition
  372. [2011-12-15 22:52:51] <Arkeus> lol Ironybot
  373. [2011-12-15 22:52:56] <MrTT> yea, those are psychological reasoning
  374. [2011-12-15 22:53:05] <MrTT> i meant wane as in "born weaker"
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  376. [2011-12-15 22:53:21] <MrTT> as in... children born with weaker and weaker bloodlines
  377. [2011-12-15 22:53:23] <NotSureIfVirusFreeBob> Doesn't really happen for established bloodlines that manifest every generation
  378. [2011-12-15 22:53:29] <NotSureIfVirusFreeBob> It's just their actions that fuck them
  379. [2011-12-15 22:53:33] <NotSureIfVirusFreeBob> not the magic itself.
  380. [2011-12-15 22:53:39] <Arkeus> MrTT, i am pretty sure your '10%' stuff is WAY wrong
  381. [2011-12-15 22:53:55] <Guile> One thought before I go again. Armas's dad has eczema. Know who ELSE had eczema? Miyamoto Musashi. /Suspicious
  382. [2011-12-15 22:53:57] <MrTT> now that we have more info from bob, so am I
  383. [2011-12-15 22:54:07] <Arkeus> lol
  384. [2011-12-15 22:54:09] <Arkeus> lol
  385. [2011-12-15 22:54:12] <MrTT> HITLER HAD ECZEMA!
  386. [2011-12-15 22:54:13] <Arkeus> lol
  387. [2011-12-15 22:54:17] <MrTT> (I don't know, I just made it up)
  388. [2011-12-15 22:54:19] <Arkeus> (Because it neds to be said thrice)
  389. [2011-12-15 22:54:29] <Guile> MY GOD. Armas's dad is Hitler AND Musashi
  390. [2011-12-15 22:54:35] <MrTT> lol
  391. [2011-12-15 22:55:07] <Arkeus> Ironybot: any reason you prefer luck plan to NN bubble plan?
  392. [2011-12-15 22:55:11] <Ironybot> It seems to me that the best method for acquiring serious luck for ourselves is probably still to get a hamingja and make it as powerful as possible, given all this.
  393. [2011-12-15 22:55:24] <Arkeus> Hamingja?
  394. [2011-12-15 22:55:32] <MrTT> ok so... here is my plan. The goblins saw us build the bloodline thus far right? and SM was very interested in seeing the incorporation of the bloodlines
  395. [2011-12-15 22:55:34] <TMIoverload> Hitler maybe, but I don't think Armas is good enough in a fight to be descended from Musashi
  396. [2011-12-15 22:55:47] <MrTT> we trade letting him watch the third part in helping facilitate it
  397. [2011-12-15 22:55:54] <MrTT> he provides NN for bullet making
  398. [2011-12-15 22:55:55] <Guile> I wonder if Belief can spontaneously generate a human bloodline? Hitler is the go-to word for evil for a big chunk of the world
  399. [2011-12-15 22:56:02] <Ironybot> Norse spirit. It's the personification of the luck of a person or clan, amongst other things.
  400. [2011-12-15 22:56:06] <TMIoverload> MrTT, I doubt that will cover everything
  401. [2011-12-15 22:56:07] <MrTT> And a lump of gold that covers part of the pay, we cover the rest
  402. [2011-12-15 22:56:23] <MrTT> NN time is not that expensive
  403. [2011-12-15 22:56:26] <NotSureIfVirusFreeBob> Repeat saturation and heavy use of pretty much any form of magic will start to imprint it in the body. This will admittedly still slowly slide you away from 'human' as you gain more passive magical knacks-but it's a trick you know exists, and could be very useful if plied properly.
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  405. [2011-12-15 22:56:52] <MrTT> bob, didn't we establish that humans can have magic though?
  406. [2011-12-15 22:57:08] <MrTT> just, not mundane ones... only ones with bloodlines
  407. [2011-12-15 22:57:25] <Ironybot> We established that human is a grey word, not a binary state.
  408. [2011-12-15 22:57:27] <MrTT> isn't that what will happen to camella that will get her to develop her own bloodline?
  409. [2011-12-15 22:57:42] <NotSureIfVirusFreeBob> Bloodline magic = / = magical trick. This is something like 'Doony's supervibration sense' a passive, highly specialized trait.
  410. [2011-12-15 22:57:43] <TMIoverload> Oh, Bob. If someone with item shoves a blank soul in someone with a soul already, what happens?
  411. [2011-12-15 22:57:48] <MrTT> yes and that within that gray, magic =! inhuman
  412. [2011-12-15 22:58:05] <Arkeus> <Ironybot> Norse spirit. It's the personification of the luck of a person or clan, amongst other things. <= what do you think of using this + my pklan for making souls?
  413. [2011-12-15 22:58:10] <NotSureIfVirusFreeBob> a blank soul into what-the body the soul's already in, or the soul itself?
  414. [2011-12-15 22:58:20] <Ironybot> Please remind me of what your plan for making souls is.
  415. [2011-12-15 22:58:29] <TMIoverload> Either, or both at once if possible
  416. [2011-12-15 22:58:33] <Arkeus> [16-12 | 04:53:05] <Arkeus> Right then bob, question: I was wonderign earlier on about animals and souls. Are the tribes/People who establish a 'link' with an animal, so as they gain magic/xp it make the animal gain some too, until it gains a soul?
  417. [2011-12-15 22:58:33] <Arkeus> [16-12 | 04:53:22] <Arkeus> Or is it a utterly stupid idea?
  418. [2011-12-15 22:58:33] <Arkeus> [16-12 | 04:53:42] <Guile> turn an animal into a D&D style familiar?
  419. [2011-12-15 22:58:33] <Arkeus> [16-12 | 04:54:00] <NotSureIfVirusFreeBob> No that does happen-and in fact several Amerindian cultures have magics like that.
  420. [2011-12-15 22:58:46] <MrTT> i think arks plan was to somhow bind to a non souled animal and then have it "share" our experience until it develops a soul
  421. [2011-12-15 22:58:46] <NotSureIfVirusFreeBob> both isn't possible, unless you did two item-gifted souls
  422. [2011-12-15 22:59:02] <TMIoverload> Either it is then
  423. [2011-12-15 22:59:06] <NotSureIfVirusFreeBob> in body, you'd divorve it's real soul, and make a GREAT vessel for the new, possessing soul from severing such ties.
  424. [2011-12-15 22:59:34] <NotSureIfVirusFreeBob> In soul, you'd create a Recursive Soul-which is something that is normally a byproduct of contracting with an Elder Being.
  425. [2011-12-15 22:59:45] <NotSureIfVirusFreeBob> In both, you'd accomplish both.
  426. [2011-12-15 22:59:55] <NotSureIfVirusFreeBob> But only if done at the same time
  427. [2011-12-15 23:00:15] <NotSureIfVirusFreeBob> if you did soul, then tried to do body, the new recursive soul would 'catch' the incoming soul, overwhelm it, and absorb it.
  428. [2011-12-15 23:00:22] <Ironybot> I... don't actually see a simple intersection of that particular type of spirit with that plan. I don't think we could spontaneously generate a hamingja, if that's what you're looking at, although I suppose it's a possibility depending upon their exact nature within the Guns for Hire universe.
  429. [2011-12-15 23:00:46] <Arkeus> Ironybot: nah
  430. [2011-12-15 23:00:55] <Arkeus> i meant do that with hamingja to make it more potent
  431. [2011-12-15 23:01:21] <NotSureIfVirusFreeBob> You could probably create a genuinely monstrous, nightmarish, nigh-inconceivably profound soul with... maybe one hundred souls, along this path of constantly deeponing one soul.
  432. [2011-12-15 23:01:41] <NotSureIfVirusFreeBob> A thousand, and you might be able to make a specialized being to neutralize itself and Amen out of existence, and be free of that fuck.
  433. [2011-12-15 23:01:45] <Ironybot> Ah. Yes, that might work, depending upon the exact nature of the link involved. The lack of a body for the target of the shared XP might screw with things a bit, make it more difficult.
  434. [2011-12-15 23:02:11] <Arkeus> but probably not impossible
  435. [2011-12-15 23:02:28] <Arkeus> NotSureIfVirusFreeBob: remind me again: blank souls are only possible via item, right?
  436. [2011-12-15 23:02:33] <NotSureIfVirusFreeBob> This all ONLY being possible with Item's skillset-Borders bloodlines, the Darkening-none can accomplish this particular trick.
  437. [2011-12-15 23:02:36] <Ironybot> Almost nothing is impossible. It's merely a question of if the difficulty is worth the reward.
  438. [2011-12-15 23:03:19] <TMIoverload> Alright. Figured since Item had no support I'd ask about some of the tricks for it I had in mind.
  439. [2011-12-15 23:03:40] <MrTT> they all have awesome tricks... its really a question of finding those out
  440. [2011-12-15 23:03:47] <Arkeus> Though i guess Eatign a thousand souls is almost as good, TMI
  441. [2011-12-15 23:03:48] <Arkeus> :p
  442. [2011-12-15 23:03:54] <Arkeus> Indeed
  443. [2011-12-15 23:04:04] <MrTT> "<NotSureIfVirusFreeBob> Enough that you'd probably auto-lose trick if you did so. "
  444. [2011-12-15 23:04:11] <Arkeus> Though in 'power' of tricks, i think Border > Darkening >Item
  445. [2011-12-15 23:04:15] <Arkeus> Hard to say, thougyh
  446. [2011-12-15 23:04:19] <MrTT> aside from the "chance of bad end" if we botch the roll, we auto lose IT
  447. [2011-12-15 23:04:34] <Arkeus> yeah, even if we get darkening
  448. [2011-12-15 23:04:35] <Arkeus> :-(
  449. [2011-12-15 23:04:49] <MrTT> you know, i think if armas himself ate 1000 souls rather then sacrificed them to construct an anti amen device
  450. [2011-12-15 23:04:52] <MrTT> he would be better off
  451. [2011-12-15 23:04:52] <TMIoverload> Bob, if you took a machine apart and put a blank soul in each piece then put it back together, anything unique happen? On a similar note, if you put a soul in a generator of somekind would it be able to run itself?
  452. [2011-12-15 23:04:55] <Ironybot> Speaking of tricks, could someone inform me of exactly what was discussed prior to my arrival, regarding being able to slide out of existence through superior stealth? It caught my eye but the conversation was moving on.
  453. [2011-12-15 23:05:18] <MrTT> if armas had gone 5x darkening
  454. [2011-12-15 23:05:26] <MrTT> he would be able to "stealth" in and out of existance itself
  455. [2011-12-15 23:05:31] <Arkeus> Ironybot: just asking what we could have had had we gone 5darkening
  456. [2011-12-15 23:05:32] <MrTT> like schrudinger from hellsing
  457. [2011-12-15 23:05:41] <MrTT> it would also be as dangerous as borders to experiment in
  458. [2011-12-15 23:06:00] <Ironybot> Ah. The risk being that we might not be able to stealth back into existence after leaving it on our first try, of course, and if one doesn't exist one can't very well have a second try.
  459. [2011-12-15 23:06:04] <MrTT> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schr%C3%B6dinger_(Hellsing)
  460. [2011-12-15 23:06:33] <Arkeus> Yeah, 5Darkening is probably utterly H44X
  461. [2011-12-15 23:06:47] <MrTT> The exact nature of Schrödinger's abilities has yet to be defined, although, due to the "Schrödinger's cat" references, they could be quantum-reality based. This is indirectly confirmed by the Major - he states that Schrödinger only exists for as long as he is aware of himself. He was able to appear in Hellsing's conference room without difficulty, and also appeared to Zorin Blitz while Blitz was attempting to attack Seras Victor
  462. [2011-12-15 23:06:47] <MrTT> ia's mind, indicating that he can appear in mental realms as well. Schrödinger himself mysteriously states that he is "everywhere and nowhere".
  463. [2011-12-15 23:06:47] <MrTT> This also explains his apparent regeneration/immortality. If he believes that he is unscathed, then he is.
  464. [2011-12-15 23:06:49] <Arkeus> though i honestly really like Romanov/Sami/Darkenng or Border or Item
  465. [2011-12-15 23:06:56] <Ironybot> I think we will manage to survive without such tools. 5x virtually any bloodline could likely produce absurdly powerful results.
  466. [2011-12-15 23:06:59] <Arkeus> but the last two are way dangerous in my mind
  467. [2011-12-15 23:07:27] <Arkeus> *nods*
  468. [2011-12-15 23:07:28] <MrTT> If we ascend we can hve them all
  469. [2011-12-15 23:07:36] <Arkeus> and Damn you
  470. [2011-12-15 23:07:38] <MrTT> there are a plethora of methods of ascensions that many people came up with
  471. [2011-12-15 23:07:43] <Arkeus> stop making me think of conjoined twin idea
  472. [2011-12-15 23:07:45] <Arkeus> BAB BOB
  473. [2011-12-15 23:07:47] <Arkeus> BAD
  474. [2011-12-15 23:07:56] <MrTT> So the question is really which bloodline will most liekly make us SURVIVE and PROSPER long enough to ascend
  475. [2011-12-15 23:08:02] <Ironybot> One of my original hopes for our Winter bloodline was to become some kind of seer or prophet with quintuple power, but I didn't think that I'd be able to get enough support for it- or make it reasonably happen in-quest- so I never really pushed the concept.
  476. [2011-12-15 23:08:21] <Arkeus> Ironybot: Darkening can do that
  477. [2011-12-15 23:08:22] <MrTT> Considering item is hunted down by those who want to steal it, and what will hunt us with borders, and the risks of self destruction with both
  478. [2011-12-15 23:08:25] <sluggo> I personally wouldn't have minded that
  479. [2011-12-15 23:08:31] <Arkeus> sort of
  480. [2011-12-15 23:08:32] <MrTT> and the benefit of dealing with dragons and the like of darkening
  481. [2011-12-15 23:08:35] <sluggo> But we could do pretty well in that direction without a bloodline
  482. [2011-12-15 23:08:37] <MrTT> i think darkening is the best bet now
  483. [2011-12-15 23:08:44] <Arkeus> Dart666 asked how we could have Mordecai's ability
  484. [2011-12-15 23:08:50] <MrTT> armas will possibly never ascend... but its a safer bet
  485. [2011-12-15 23:08:55] <sluggo> Armas can eat the eyes of multiple blind seers and can Whaitiri infuse us.
  486. [2011-12-15 23:09:01] <MrTT> the fetus clone things are just one of the methods
  487. [2011-12-15 23:09:03] <Arkeus> Apparently, DFarkening is the bloodline most fit to give us a sort of match
  488. [2011-12-15 23:09:05] <sluggo> And we can get a prophecy spirit bound to our soul
  489. [2011-12-15 23:09:07] <MrTT> dragonic ascension, divine ascension
  490. [2011-12-15 23:09:13] <MrTT> eating ambrosia
  491. [2011-12-15 23:09:14] <MrTT> etc etc
  492. [2011-12-15 23:09:21] <sluggo> MrTT stop with the ascension spiel
  493. [2011-12-15 23:09:23] <Arkeus> shhh MrTT
  494. [2011-12-15 23:09:26] <Arkeus> we know of your plans
  495. [2011-12-15 23:09:30] <MrTT> its not my plans
  496. [2011-12-15 23:09:31] <sluggo> It's almost as bad as Alratan and the AA-12
  497. [2011-12-15 23:09:33] <MrTT> not all of them
  498. [2011-12-15 23:09:37] <MrTT> a lot came from other people
  499. [2011-12-15 23:09:43] <MrTT> And I am not here touting ascension
  500. [2011-12-15 23:09:48] <Ironybot> With double divine bloodlines and a partially divine soul, Armas is already some kind of godling.
  501. [2011-12-15 23:09:51] <TMIoverload> Nobody else talks about that stuff, so they're your plans now
  502. [2011-12-15 23:09:59] <MrTT> i am here explaning why we shouldn't see it as "never ever have another chance for item or border"
  503. [2011-12-15 23:10:03] <Arkeus> oh RIGHT
  504. [2011-12-15 23:10:03] <Ironybot> Although "godling" likely has a technical meaning within the setting, so I'm reluctant to commonly use it.
  505. [2011-12-15 23:10:07] <MrTT> its "will not have item or border for a long long time"
  506. [2011-12-15 23:10:30] <TMIoverload> It's more like "will not have during the quest itself. maybe, but probably not, the epilogue"
  507. [2011-12-15 23:10:32] <Ironybot> Bob, your take on the meaning of the terms "godling", "demigod", and other such language in the setting would be much appreciated.
  508. [2011-12-15 23:10:42] <MrTT> I am actually opposed to becoming a god and others have been going on and on about divine ascension
  509. [2011-12-15 23:10:44] <Arkeus> Bob: would restricting our Mere to Royal if we get the savoy blood activating our summer bloodline for royalness increase the reforging's power?
  510. [2011-12-15 23:10:53] <sluggo> Shut up
  511. [2011-12-15 23:11:01] <Arkeus> And would trhe 'royal' be i neffect for SB too?
  512. [2011-12-15 23:11:37] <MrTT> you shut up... incidentally, if you don't care for it you could have just said nothing. and this would have been over a long time ago... but by keeping on about it you keep this line of conversation alive. You are pick and focusing on the one aspect of what i said that you dislike and force it to the forfront
  513. [2011-12-15 23:11:43] <MrTT> I actually wanted to talk about darkening
  514. [2011-12-15 23:12:12] <Arkeus> Please stop mrTT, or bob will get too busy taunting you
  515. [2011-12-15 23:12:20] <Arkeus> and he won't answer questions anymore
  516. [2011-12-15 23:12:42] <MrTT> you... stop saying stop by saying stop you are forcing this to continue
  517. [2011-12-15 23:12:46] <Ironybot> Ah, yes, darkening. Specifically, methods of getting it- gunsmith+nevernever pocket as compared to luck. The primary advantage of luck is speed, given that we aren't really in a position to compare costs.
  518. [2011-12-15 23:12:53] <MrTT> I SPECIFICALLY SAID lets change the subject
  519. [2011-12-15 23:13:04] <Arkeus> Ironybot: how does it have better speed?
  520. [2011-12-15 23:13:08] <Arkeus> both can be done today
  521. [2011-12-15 23:13:12] <Ironybot> We could have our bloodline finished two minutes from now through that method.
  522. [2011-12-15 23:13:20] <Arkeus> mine too, mostly
  523. [2011-12-15 23:13:24] <MrTT> well... SM Will be able to instantly provide luck, but he is also able to instantly provide an NN pocket for the forging of the bullet
  524. [2011-12-15 23:13:25] <Ironybot> Assuming that finishing the bloodline doesn't involve hours of unconsciousness or similar.
  525. [2011-12-15 23:13:32] <MrTT> and AFAIK luck is super expensive while NN space cheap
  526. [2011-12-15 23:13:34] <Arkeus> Ironybot: same for me
  527. [2011-12-15 23:13:34] <Ironybot> We haven't yet spoken to Johan.
  528. [2011-12-15 23:13:40] <Arkeus> Johan said he could do it
  529. [2011-12-15 23:14:02] <MrTT> we soke to johan
  530. [2011-12-15 23:14:03] <Arkeus> We'd have to convince johan, sure
  531. [2011-12-15 23:14:04] <Ironybot> But we have made no actual arrangements. In any case, I don't have an actual objection to that method, and it is more certain.
  532. [2011-12-15 23:14:06] <MrTT> previous update, he said he could do it
  533. [2011-12-15 23:14:07] <Arkeus> it might be hard, or not
  534. [2011-12-15 23:14:11] <Arkeus> but we could do it right now too
  535. [2011-12-15 23:14:22] <MrTT> the goblins could appear to him at his address and whisk him to the NN
  536. [2011-12-15 23:14:28] <MrTT> Either one can be done today
  537. [2011-12-15 23:14:43] <MrTT> you know we COULD just bring both options up to the goblins and ask for relative costs
  538. [2011-12-15 23:14:44] <NotSureIfVirusFreeBob> Ironybot you motherfucker, you not only correctly identified an actual term (Godling) you also perfectly nailed its meaning: that being 'soul is partly divine' and 'magics employed are partly divine'
  539. [2011-12-15 23:14:49] <Arkeus> Ironybot: what do you think of luck for optimisation and johan + bubble for acquisationb?
  540. [2011-12-15 23:14:54] <Ironybot> I do feel that we need to have our bloodline finished before the auction if at all possible; I don't want to show up at the auction showing off our incomplete bloodline to the chosen representatives of the powerful.
  541. [2011-12-15 23:15:05] <Arkeus> <NotSureIfVirusFreeBob> Ironybot you motherfucker, you not only correctly identified an actual term (Godling) you also perfectly nailed its meaning: that being 'soul is partly divine' and 'magics employed are partly divine' <= AAHAHAHAHH
  542. [2011-12-15 23:15:08] <Arkeus> GIVE ARMAS R
  543. [2011-12-15 23:15:09] <Arkeus> :p
  544. [2011-12-15 23:15:09] <MrTT> ... armas is a godling
  545. [2011-12-15 23:15:13] <Arkeus> He will be
  546. [2011-12-15 23:15:16] <Arkeus> if he gets Darkening
  547. [2011-12-15 23:15:19] <Arkeus> not if he doesn't
  548. [2011-12-15 23:15:23] <MrTT> summer
  549. [2011-12-15 23:15:27] <MrTT> partially divine
  550. [2011-12-15 23:15:33] <Arkeus> yes, bu just one out of two
  551. [2011-12-15 23:15:33] <NotSureIfVirusFreeBob> has to be all magic
  552. [2011-12-15 23:15:36] <Arkeus> yep
  553. [2011-12-15 23:15:37] <NotSureIfVirusFreeBob> if two bloodlines, then both
  554. [2011-12-15 23:15:42] <NotSureIfVirusFreeBob> if one bloodline, just the one
  555. [2011-12-15 23:15:43] <MrTT> ah ok
  556. [2011-12-15 23:15:43] <Arkeus> same reason why trick will get better with darkening
  557. [2011-12-15 23:15:49] <Arkeus> isn't it?
  558. [2011-12-15 23:15:53] <NotSureIfVirusFreeBob> yep
  559. [2011-12-15 23:15:54] <Gunpowder_Symphony> Damn, this is a pretty shotgun. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MTs-255
  560. [2011-12-15 23:15:55] <MrTT> armas would have been a godling if he had only summer bloodline
  561. [2011-12-15 23:16:05] <NotSureIfVirusFreeBob> Godlings get bonuses on Divine Artifact use.
  562. [2011-12-15 23:16:06] <MrTT> and will be a godling once both his bloodlines are divine
  563. [2011-12-15 23:16:09] <Arkeus> <Ironybot> I do feel that we need to have our bloodline finished before the auction if at all possible; I don't want to show up at the auction showing off our incomplete bloodline to the chosen representatives of the powerful. <= same
  564. [2011-12-15 23:16:16] <NotSureIfVirusFreeBob> And obviously get bonuses interacting with gods in general.
  565. [2011-12-15 23:16:23] <Arkeus> That's AWESOME
  566. [2011-12-15 23:16:28] <Arkeus> really, really help with Wahitir
  567. [2011-12-15 23:16:34] <MrTT> I Agree that we must finish bloodline before auction
  568. [2011-12-15 23:16:56] <NotSureIfVirusFreeBob> Ironybot, there is no reason for Armas to be present at the auction at all. SB could be there, and would be fully willing to real-time relay what happens.
  569. [2011-12-15 23:17:10] <NotSureIfVirusFreeBob> Or SM could be the middle man in all ways for the auction
  570. [2011-12-15 23:17:12] <MrTT> but if armas has draconic stealth
  571. [2011-12-15 23:17:18] <Arkeus> Bob: would it be possible for SB to posses our body while Armas stayi n the eye?
  572. [2011-12-15 23:17:23] <MrTT> he could be there and get to scope out representatives of powerful with his sami sight
  573. [2011-12-15 23:17:34] <MrTT> and nobody could read him
  574. [2011-12-15 23:17:46] <TMIoverload> Bob, if SB is possesing our body, does he have both sets of bloodlines during that time, just his, or just ours?
  575. [2011-12-15 23:17:46] <Arkeus> Except the witch
  576. [2011-12-15 23:17:47] <NotSureIfVirusFreeBob> Arkeus: not currently. You'd need to know how to use your soul manipulation to manually move souls to accomplish such
  577. [2011-12-15 23:17:52] <NotSureIfVirusFreeBob> you know no such thing currently.
  578. [2011-12-15 23:17:53] <Arkeus> ok bob
  579. [2011-12-15 23:18:33] <NotSureIfVirusFreeBob> TMI: A very interesting question. The soul is the 'key' to bloodlines, but he's your soul's twin, your Soul Shadow
  580. [2011-12-15 23:18:44] <NotSureIfVirusFreeBob> so he actually could use your bloodlines.... BUT
  581. [2011-12-15 23:18:47] <NotSureIfVirusFreeBob> and this is important
  582. [2011-12-15 23:19:27] <NotSureIfVirusFreeBob> he'd only have access to his own magical power source-so yes he'd have both of your options, but no extra stamina at all-AND it would not include other shadows, in the case of him being legion, until you find a way for multiple shadows to possess a single body.
  583. [2011-12-15 23:19:35] <Arkeus> bob: would johann demand more money for working with a NN bubble establlished by someone else?
  584. [2011-12-15 23:20:03] <NotSureIfVirusFreeBob> Johann would not charge you more so long as he got verification no one would attempt to replicate his technique from the event.
  585. [2011-12-15 23:20:16] <Arkeus> So it's not quite border-harmonization in power, but it's not bad either
  586. [2011-12-15 23:20:29] <Arkeus> cool
  587. [2011-12-15 23:20:39] <Ironybot> Even if he initially wanted to charge more, we could probably talk him out of that. I mean, it's not every day that you get the opportunity to complete a week-long job in no time at all and get paid for it.
  588. [2011-12-15 23:21:09] <Ironybot> Having ZERO lost opportunity cost is a rare and priceless thing in business.
  589. [2011-12-15 23:21:50] <Arkeus> Ironybot: it could be detrimental to SOEMTHING
  590. [2011-12-15 23:22:00] <Arkeus> We don't have enough info
  591. [2011-12-15 23:22:34] <Ironybot> Okay, there is the slight cost of the inherent soul damage. But from a week? It looks us subjective decades to take serious damage. I don't think we know of any other costs involved, though you are right in that we are ill-informed.
  592. [2011-12-15 23:22:52] <Arkeus> Ironybot: i am unsure there is inherent soul damage from that
  593. [2011-12-15 23:22:58] <Gunpowder_Symphony> CANCER BREAK
  594. [2011-12-15 23:23:04] <Arkeus> and it wasn't because of temporal dislocation
  595. [2011-12-15 23:23:18] <Ironybot> I am assuming temporal dislocation to be a form of damage.
  596. [2011-12-15 23:23:26] <Arkeus> Right
  597. [2011-12-15 23:23:31] <Ironybot> Like "broken arm" is a kind of injury.
  598. [2011-12-15 23:23:44] <Arkeus> M7!
  599. [2011-12-15 23:23:45] <Arkeus> :p
  600. [2011-12-15 23:24:15] <Arkeus> But, yeah, your plan might be cheaper (or might not) but i actually prefer not to have 4% chance of losing IT
  601. [2011-12-15 23:24:23] <Arkeus> or BAD END
  602. [2011-12-15 23:24:29] <Ironybot> Oh, definitely.
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  604. [2011-12-15 23:25:13] <Ironybot> At this point I'm thinking that we need to pay Johan, buy a nevernever pocket for him to work in, and buy as much luck as we can restricted to benefit our final bloodline result.
  605. [2011-12-15 23:25:13] <Arkeus> Hell, if we get TWO weeks of NN time, johann could probably cram in other jobs for other people in it
  606. [2011-12-15 23:25:18] <Arkeus> meaning it could becheaper
  607. [2011-12-15 23:25:22] <Arkeus> haggle
  608. [2011-12-15 23:25:45] <Ironybot> Good idea. Who knows what kind of discount we could get there.
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  611. [2011-12-15 23:27:27] <Arkeus> hey falconis
  612. [2011-12-15 23:27:28] <sluggo> Sup Falc
  613. [2011-12-15 23:27:33] <Falconis> ello guys
  614. [2011-12-15 23:27:47] <MrTT> well, its 4% chance of rolling normally
  615. [2011-12-15 23:27:56] <MrTT> no wait
  616. [2011-12-15 23:27:58] <MrTT> 5%
  617. [2011-12-15 23:28:02] <Falconis> just decided to drop in, say hi and see if I couldn't find out what guns Zhenya bought
  618. [2011-12-15 23:28:30] <Falconis> what is the hot topic tonight?
  619. [2011-12-15 23:28:42] <MrTT> 1/60 chance of bad end. 1/60 chance of lose IT and amen goes free destroying everyone in mansion and then some... and potentially a bad end since this wasn't exactly purely accidental
  620. [2011-12-15 23:28:47] <Arkeus> Getting Darkening right now
  621. [2011-12-15 23:28:50] <MrTT> we knew of the amen loss risk and its not like someone ELSE killed us
  622. [2011-12-15 23:28:54] <MrTT> so potentially also bad end
  623. [2011-12-15 23:29:03] <Ironybot> Most conversation has centered around how to properly get our bloodline immediately while minimizing risk and expense.
  624. [2011-12-15 23:29:04] <sluggo> Ironybot being spot on with his deductions
  625. [2011-12-15 23:29:11] <Falconis> ah
  626. [2011-12-15 23:29:14] <MrTT> so... 1/30 of us being totally fucked
  627. [2011-12-15 23:29:21] <Arkeus> Honestly irony
  628. [2011-12-15 23:29:26] <Arkeus> try to post your deduction inthreads
  629. [2011-12-15 23:29:28] <MrTT> 3.(3)%
  630. [2011-12-15 23:29:29] <Arkeus> for greater R
  631. [2011-12-15 23:29:31] <sluggo> TMI discovering a couple decent tricks for alternate bloodlines
  632. [2011-12-15 23:29:50] <Falconis> oho?
  633. [2011-12-15 23:30:04] <Falconis> colour me intrigued and tell me more
  634. [2011-12-15 23:30:16] <TMIoverload> On that note, I'm still interested if shoving a blank soul into a generator would have it run itself
  635. [2011-12-15 23:30:17] <MrTT> so, is anyone else with me on trying to buy a luck charm from SM restricted to the synchronizing of our bloodline?
  636. [2011-12-15 23:30:40] <sluggo> Ark you want to hand Falc the logs?
  637. [2011-12-15 23:30:44] <Arkeus> http://gawker.com/5868458/high-schools-incest-prank-is-years-dumbest-grossest-idea
  638. [2011-12-15 23:30:45] <MrTT> I am thinking balanced dominance and highest sync as possible
  639. [2011-12-15 23:31:08] <Ironybot> Thus far we're thinking the optimal route is to pay Sometimes Merchant for nevernever pocket time, pay Johan to make us a Darkening bullet, and buy as much luck from Sometimes Merchant as we can to maximize our odds of an excellent bloodline result. We should be able to get our bloodline finished this afternoon using those methods- though it won't be cheap- and hopefully minimize risk of...
  640. [2011-12-15 23:31:08] <Ironybot> ...having it turn out poorly on us.
  641. [2011-12-15 23:31:16] <TMIoverload> On the one hand, I want luck for synching the bloodline. On the other, I'm wary of anything that involves siding with TT....
  642. [2011-12-15 23:31:32] <MrTT> One YouTube commenter who claims to be a student at Rosemount says that it's a "tradition that only happens every six years or something," which makes it sound like an ancient pagan Norse ritual brought to America by sick incestuous vikings
  643. [2011-12-15 23:31:42] <TMIoverload> Ironybot, now that's someone I can support
  644. [2011-12-15 23:32:04] <Arkeus> TMIoverload: this isn't about IT
  645. [2011-12-15 23:32:06] <MrTT> @TMI.... you oppose me on principle?
  646. [2011-12-15 23:32:09] <Arkeus> synching the bloodline is ok, i think
  647. [2011-12-15 23:32:10] <MrTT> sure some of my plans are mad...
  648. [2011-12-15 23:32:11] <MrTT> but some are awesome
  649. [2011-12-15 23:32:21] <Arkeus> BOB: luck for synching bloodline isn't a gamble against IT/Rabbit, right?
  650. [2011-12-15 23:32:28] <Arkeus> Also, bob
  651. [2011-12-15 23:32:35] <TMIoverload> I said TT Ark, not IT
  652. [2011-12-15 23:32:43] <Arkeus> Would using Luck for Bullet and winning make Rabbit give us an extra something?
  653. [2011-12-15 23:32:52] <MrTT> I have a history of good ideas that greatly benefitted armas punctuated by occasional crazy as fuck ideas
  654. [2011-12-15 23:32:55] <MrTT> and i am sensible too
  655. [2011-12-15 23:33:05] <MrTT> for example i dropped borders in favor of darkening
  656. [2011-12-15 23:33:15] <MrTT> Also you said yourself that you like my idea
  657. [2011-12-15 23:33:24] <Falconis> looks liek you have taken my crazy spot TT
  658. [2011-12-15 23:33:28] <Falconis> good job
  659. [2011-12-15 23:33:31] <MrTT> @Ironybot: I agree entirely with your plan, this is exactly what i think we should do
  660. [2011-12-15 23:33:37] <Ironybot> Thank you.
  661. [2011-12-15 23:33:38] <MrTT> @Falconis: Only in TMI's eyes
  662. [2011-12-15 23:33:46] <Arkeus> Well, that's my plan too!
  663. [2011-12-15 23:33:49] <Arkeus> not just Ironybot :-(
  664. [2011-12-15 23:33:53] <Arkeus> Y_Y
  665. [2011-12-15 23:33:58] <MrTT> and i contributed to it as well ark, yes
  666. [2011-12-15 23:34:10] <MrTT> In fact I think my own ideas were crucial to forming it
  667. [2011-12-15 23:34:18] <Arkeus> what was it?
  668. [2011-12-15 23:34:19] <Ironybot> Don't take it too hard. The important thing is that Armas takes the optimal action, not that the correct player is credited.
  669. [2011-12-15 23:34:29] <MrTT> exactly ironybot
  670. [2011-12-15 23:34:37] <Arkeus> Because your 'own idea' was something i posted on disc 5 hrs ago
  671. [2011-12-15 23:34:38] <Ironybot> We operate as a collective here, after all. One's genius is all's genius; one's stupidity is all's stupidity.
  672. [2011-12-15 23:34:39] <MrTT> which is why i said "your idea is fine"
  673. [2011-12-15 23:34:46] <Arkeus> yep
  674. [2011-12-15 23:34:49] <Falconis> yeeeeep
  675. [2011-12-15 23:34:56] <MrTT> we were literally brainstorming here on IRC
  676. [2011-12-15 23:34:59] <MrTT> bouncing ideas back and forth
  677. [2011-12-15 23:35:03] <Falconis> good times
  678. [2011-12-15 23:35:05] <MrTT> so honestly its a collectively thought out plan
  679. [2011-12-15 23:35:41] <Arkeus> I do wonder, though
  680. [2011-12-15 23:35:45] <Ironybot> In any case, the next obvious topic, then, is precisely what of our available salables we will attempt to offer Sometimes Merchant in exchange for the large and specialized quantity of luck desired.
  681. [2011-12-15 23:35:49] <MrTT> so now the question is... how do we pay johan?
  682. [2011-12-15 23:35:52] <Arkeus> if winnng gambit against Rabbit would make him give us something
  683. [2011-12-15 23:36:00] <Arkeus> though we would STILL be cheating even without luck
  684. [2011-12-15 23:36:09] <Falconis> I keep coming back to a Luck Vampire spell
  685. [2011-12-15 23:36:19] <Ironybot> Reference 357000 in the discussion thread for available options, please.
  686. [2011-12-15 23:36:19] <MrTT> luck vamparisim eh?
  687. [2011-12-15 23:36:29] <Falconis> yep
  688. [2011-12-15 23:36:45] <Falconis> just stealing luck from everybody in the city
  689. [2011-12-15 23:36:48] <Arkeus> Ironybot: SB could sell Abdul's trick, too
  690. [2011-12-15 23:36:51] <Arkeus> it's assholish to do
  691. [2011-12-15 23:36:51] <MrTT> we really need to get sake tutalage in luck manipulation
  692. [2011-12-15 23:36:53] <Arkeus> but he could
  693. [2011-12-15 23:36:54] <MrTT> since he has it now
  694. [2011-12-15 23:36:59] <MrTT> just no knowledge of how to do it
  695. [2011-12-15 23:37:12] <Arkeus> Yeah, but SM won't teach him
  696. [2011-12-15 23:37:17] <Ironybot> I would strongly prefer to avoid selling Abdul's trick until after we've used the favor he owes us.
  697. [2011-12-15 23:37:20] <Falconis> or capturing a Leprechaun
  698. [2011-12-15 23:37:27] <Arkeus> Ironybot: favor?
  699. [2011-12-15 23:37:29] <Arkeus> what favor?
  700. [2011-12-15 23:37:29] <MrTT> Yes Ironybot, I agree with you there
  701. [2011-12-15 23:37:34] <Ironybot> Introduction to various contacts.
  702. [2011-12-15 23:37:37] <Arkeus> You mean contact?
  703. [2011-12-15 23:37:42] <MrTT> Actually I would prefer to contact abdul's enemies and sell it direct
  704. [2011-12-15 23:37:45] <TMIoverload> The terms of Savoy's deal sound good. He'd love that
  705. [2011-12-15 23:37:46] <NotSureIfVirusFreeBob> Skyrim time, so my computer can Idle, and I can learn if the virus is really gone...
  706. [2011-12-15 23:37:47] <Arkeus> i thought he had given us a number for the contact...
  707. [2011-12-15 23:37:49] <NotSureIfVirusFreeBob> Let's see how this goes.
  708. [2011-12-15 23:37:55] <Arkeus> good luck bob!
  709. [2011-12-15 23:37:59] <Falconis> kk
  710. [2011-12-15 23:38:03] <Falconis> be cool bob
  711. [2011-12-15 23:38:08] <Ironybot> May your attempts be error-free.
  712. [2011-12-15 23:38:14] <Arkeus> MrTT: we can doa double sell
  713. [2011-12-15 23:38:15] <MrTT> fly like the wind dohvahkin bob
  714. [2011-12-15 23:38:22] =-= Arkeus is now known as ArkNap
  715. [2011-12-15 23:38:26] <ArkNap> And goodnight
  716. [2011-12-15 23:38:29] <Falconis> I beat Bastion today
  717. [2011-12-15 23:38:33] <ArkNap> Continue braimstorming!
  718. [2011-12-15 23:38:36] <Falconis> it was...moving
  719. [2011-12-15 23:38:43] <ArkNap> Ironybot, think about posting soon for me to upvote
  720. [2011-12-15 23:38:53] <sluggo> Great game
  721. [2011-12-15 23:38:58] <Falconis> yes
  722. [2011-12-15 23:39:05] <Ironybot> I want to confirm what saleables we're agreed on offering before posting.
  723. [2011-12-15 23:39:21] <Falconis> choose the Evacuate path
  724. [2011-12-15 23:39:23] <Ironybot> I don't think the Savoy information will be sufficient for this.
  725. [2011-12-15 23:39:28] <TMIoverload> I'd say start with the terms of Savoy's deal first, as he'd love something to send a devil after Savoy
  726. [2011-12-15 23:39:32] <TMIoverload> And it helps us too
  727. [2011-12-15 23:39:51] <sluggo> Well Irony we do have a couple things we've already sold that we haven't been paid for yet
  728. [2011-12-15 23:39:59] <Falconis> hey Ark you still around?
  729. [2011-12-15 23:40:04] <ArkNap> then info on endman/baki while being precise about the LIMIT of the info
  730. [2011-12-15 23:40:08] <Falconis> AHA!
  731. [2011-12-15 23:40:14] <ArkNap> then telling him thery iddn't know about the auction
  732. [2011-12-15 23:40:15] <sluggo> There's the very valuable information on the BB situation we gave then and the contact we sold them to the Valkonens
  733. [2011-12-15 23:40:17] <Falconis> can I get logs? por favor?
  734. [2011-12-15 23:40:19] <ArkNap> then arrows
  735. [2011-12-15 23:40:25] <MrTT> so who banned einrik from killing abdul i wonder
  736. [2011-12-15 23:40:44] <TMIoverload> Bob said it's an agreement between their dads.
  737. [2011-12-15 23:40:44] <ArkNap> then maybe checking if we can kill bloodmage with chugainov
  738. [2011-12-15 23:40:47] <ArkNap> or maybe more
  739. [2011-12-15 23:40:52] <MrTT> that was my theory TMI
  740. [2011-12-15 23:41:05] <Ironybot> Who didn't know about the auction? The people keeping the files? They didn't have our relation to it written down, but then, the goblins have presumably been keeping that completely quiet since that was the terms of our middleman agreement with them.
  741. [2011-12-15 23:41:28] <ArkNap> Elve/Vampire knew about mamon's device
  742. [2011-12-15 23:41:53] <TMIoverload> As does Doony and probably Savoy
  743. [2011-12-15 23:42:03] <Ironybot> Ah, yes, Jidkova. Hmm. We could potentially sell Sometimes Merchants rights to issue orders to Amen with regards to her.
  744. [2011-12-15 23:42:19] <ArkNap> Also, potentially selling them the right to see our bloodline being finished
  745. [2011-12-15 23:42:20] <Ironybot> I suspect that would be exceedingly valuable to him.
  746. [2011-12-15 23:42:23] <ArkNap> though i don't want to
  747. [2011-12-15 23:42:27] <Falconis> all these sales make me nervous
  748. [2011-12-15 23:42:27] <ArkNap> and goodnight, again
  749. [2011-12-15 23:42:29] <TMIoverload> I'd rather do something with her that fucks with her boss
  750. [2011-12-15 23:42:47] <ArkNap> Ironybot: nice idea
  751. [2011-12-15 23:43:03] <MrTT> >We could also say "I order you to speak in a voice three octaves higher than normal when lying to me, and never speak to me in that vocal range under other circumstances."
  752. [2011-12-15 23:43:05] <MrTT> Lol.... haha
  753. [2011-12-15 23:43:18] <sluggo> That idea does have a lot of haggling power
  754. [2011-12-15 23:43:21] <TMIoverload> That said, we still need to see if they confirmed that the general is a pedophile
  755. [2011-12-15 23:43:41] <sluggo> Multiple Russian organizations would lot that
  756. [2011-12-15 23:43:53] <sluggo> As would the supernatural creatures of the region
  757. [2011-12-15 23:44:01] <TMIoverload> If so, we still need to be payed for that information
  758. [2011-12-15 23:44:03] <Falconis> why do goblins want secrets anyway?
  759. [2011-12-15 23:44:16] <Ironybot> I don't think they have, or Sometimes Merchant would have informed us so that our debt could be squared... although I suppose he could just be quietly running a tab.
  760. [2011-12-15 23:44:21] <MrTT> secrets are valuable as fuck
  761. [2011-12-15 23:44:27] <MrTT> look what we got from abdul for his secret
  762. [2011-12-15 23:44:35] <Ironybot> Goblins want secrets because they're no fools, and knowledge is the greatest of treasures.
  763. [2011-12-15 23:44:54] <Falconis> is that all? just normal 'knowledge is power'?
  764. [2011-12-15 23:45:05] <Falconis> and blackmail?
  765. [2011-12-15 23:45:08] <TMIoverload> Not just power. Knowledge is money too
  766. [2011-12-15 23:45:16] <Falconis> so...mundane
  767. [2011-12-15 23:45:18] <Ironybot> So far as we are aware, yes. Given Sometimes Merchant's apparent power, I daresay no further explanation is necessary here.
  768. [2011-12-15 23:45:48] <Ironybot> Hmm, I should look up something.
  769. [2011-12-15 23:46:59] <sluggo> A bit off topic, but I'm imagining Anasi right now, the mythical spider/cultural hero who literally bargained for the rights to the world's stories and once attempted to collect all it's wisdom.
  770. [2011-12-15 23:47:07] <TMIoverload> ANyway, I'm off to play Orcs Must Die. Later GolemGents
  771. [2011-12-15 23:47:16] <sluggo> Must be an interesting character in GfH.
  772. [2011-12-15 23:47:17] =-= TMIoverload is now known as TMIoverloadaway
  773. [2011-12-15 23:47:18] <Falconis> later
  774. [2011-12-15 23:47:22] <sluggo> Later TMI
  775. [2011-12-15 23:47:36] <MrTT> say
  776. [2011-12-15 23:47:53] <MrTT> SM NN training, it has the drawback of temporal dislocation harm
  777. [2011-12-15 23:48:09] <MrTT> and that our soul does not grow the equivalent number of years
  778. [2011-12-15 23:48:27] <MrTT> are there ways that allow accelerating time learning without those drawbacks? alternatives to the NN
  779. [2011-12-15 23:48:31] <Ironybot> Aha, I was right. Our agreement with Sometimes Merchant regarding introductions to the Goblins of Turkey makes no restriction based upon Wyld or Court.
  780. [2011-12-15 23:48:53] <Falconis> yea, just goblins
  781. [2011-12-15 23:48:55] <Ironybot> Thus, he is arguably responsible for introducing us to Summer and Winter goblins as well, if any are in Turkey, when we call in that marker.
  782. [2011-12-15 23:49:03] <Ironybot> And Spring and Autumn, I guess.
  783. [2011-12-15 23:49:09] <sluggo> We know the Summer goblins aren't much.
  784. [2011-12-15 23:49:09] <MrTT> why have we NOT called in the marker?
  785. [2011-12-15 23:49:15] <MrTT> is there any reason not to be introducer?
  786. [2011-12-15 23:49:17] <Falconis> busy
  787. [2011-12-15 23:49:18] <sluggo> Not that it devalues the discovery at all
  788. [2011-12-15 23:49:18] <MrTT> introduced
  789. [2011-12-15 23:49:44] <Falconis> Armas has contracted Mordre syndrome and has no Arkus
  790. [2011-12-15 23:49:48] <Ironybot> We've had other shit to do, and also we haven't really been much to mention.
  791. [2011-12-15 23:49:58] <Falconis> we need a proper 'secretary'
  792. [2011-12-15 23:50:01] <MrTT> we need to make a list
  793. [2011-12-15 23:50:04] <MrTT> and add it to the list
  794. [2011-12-15 23:50:06] <Ironybot> When our bloodline is complete we will be much more worth introducing to people.
  795. [2011-12-15 23:50:16] <MrTT> we can't have a proper secretary since armas is not real
  796. [2011-12-15 23:50:24] <MrTT> any secretary will be either us the players... or bob
  797. [2011-12-15 23:50:33] <Falconis> yes, bob
  798. [2011-12-15 23:50:35] <MrTT> and bob said he will not be our secretary and we have to remember things ourselves
  799. [2011-12-15 23:50:40] <NotSureIfVirusFreeBob> No, just the players
  800. [2011-12-15 23:50:43] <NotSureIfVirusFreeBob> I won't secretary
  801. [2011-12-15 23:50:45] <Falconis> :I
  802. [2011-12-15 23:51:05] <MrTT> there are a fuckton of us
  803. [2011-12-15 23:51:11] <MrTT> put together we should be able to REMEMBER SHIT
  804. [2011-12-15 23:51:14] * Gunpowder_Symphony is surprised nobody nominated Camella for secretary yet.
  805. [2011-12-15 23:51:17] * Gunpowder_Symphony snickers.
  806. [2011-12-15 23:51:20] <MrTT> we need to make a proper calendar on the wiki
  807. [2011-12-15 23:51:39] <Ironybot> Bob, aside from the Wyld Goblin clan we are familiar with, what other goblins are in Turkey?
  808. [2011-12-15 23:51:53] <Falconis> speaking ofthe wiki
  809. [2011-12-15 23:51:57] <Ironybot> You've mentioned summer goblins before, but I think that's it.
  810. [2011-12-15 23:52:05] <Falconis> I need to add Zhenyas new guns to it
  811. [2011-12-15 23:52:16] <Falconis> whenever I find out what they are from Bob ...
  812. [2011-12-15 23:52:40] <MrTT> so, do you guys read dragon mango?
  813. [2011-12-15 23:52:44] <Ironybot> I need to add Satai's pay, after I convince Armas to give the Russians who went to the Triad job a bonus. Tried to do that before but it didn't go through.
  814. [2011-12-15 23:53:21] <MrTT> we need to use some of the company funds to buy company equipment... cars, guns, ammo, computers, etc
  815. [2011-12-15 23:53:24] <Falconis> oh wait so I have to keep track of that too?
  816. [2011-12-15 23:53:40] <Falconis> damn the template needs to be adjusted then
  817. [2011-12-15 23:53:40] <MrTT> equipment for an in house machine shop
  818. [2011-12-15 23:54:11] <MrTT> highest priority right now is to iron out what we sell the goblins
  819. [2011-12-15 23:54:21] <MrTT> we already ironed out what we do with the bloodline
  820. [2011-12-15 23:54:35] <Falconis> Lathe, drill, grinder, sandblaster, vice, tools
  821. [2011-12-15 23:54:41] <Ironybot> The template doesn't really need adjustment, what we need is a distinct template for our minions from that which is being used for our characters.
  822. [2011-12-15 23:54:49] <Falconis> arc welder
  823. [2011-12-15 23:55:01] <MrTT> Can't we just say "machine shop"?
  824. [2011-12-15 23:55:10] <Falconis> fineeee
  825. [2011-12-15 23:55:11] <MrTT> well i guess you can indiivudally price the items
  826. [2011-12-15 23:55:34] <Ironybot> Minions need to keep track of things that other characters don't, because of how we're using them.
  827. [2011-12-15 23:55:38] <MrTT> ok so... do we sell SM the right to watch as we finilize the bloodline
  828. [2011-12-15 23:55:43] <MrTT> I say yes
  829. [2011-12-15 23:55:47] <Falconis> heck no
  830. [2011-12-15 23:55:48] <MrTT> he already saw the rest
  831. [2011-12-15 23:55:58] <Falconis> if he wants that he better ask
  832. [2011-12-15 23:56:08] <MrTT> he saw us perform the ritual and he saw us consume romanov and sami
  833. [2011-12-15 23:56:13] <Falconis> can't give this guy too much info just like that
  834. [2011-12-15 23:56:19] <MrTT> its not info
  835. [2011-12-15 23:56:26] <MrTT> sorry, its not about US info
  836. [2011-12-15 23:56:28] <Ironybot> I... hrm. I don't think so. It's non-intuitive that we could get a bloodline by shooting ourselves and I don't want to give that away.
  837. [2011-12-15 23:56:34] <Falconis> it is about us
  838. [2011-12-15 23:56:35] <MrTT> its info about the magic of compounding bloodline
  839. [2011-12-15 23:56:37] <Falconis> it's our soul
  840. [2011-12-15 23:57:04] <Ironybot> He already knows where two of our three bloodlines came from; knowing about the source of the third is giving him even more information about what we can do and the nature of our powers.
  841. [2011-12-15 23:57:10] <MrTT> he has been seeing our soul thus far, when the bloodline is finished he will not be able to see our soul
  842. [2011-12-15 23:57:18] <Falconis> goooood
  843. [2011-12-15 23:57:19] <Ironybot> Won't he? Why not?
  844. [2011-12-15 23:57:22] <MrTT> and he will know that the third bloodline provided that resistance
  845. [2011-12-15 23:57:25] <Falconis> if he wants to see he better ask
  846. [2011-12-15 23:57:37] <Falconis> but he won't know what it is
  847. [2011-12-15 23:57:39] <MrTT> the... process, the last step
  848. [2011-12-15 23:57:51] <MrTT> the finilization of the magic we wraught earlier
  849. [2011-12-15 23:57:59] <MrTT> this is valuable information that is not armas specific
  850. [2011-12-15 23:58:09] <MrTT> and worth enough that i think we can get protections out of it
  851. [2011-12-15 23:58:15] <Falconis> not Armas specific yes, but still Armas relevant
  852. [2011-12-15 23:58:16] <MrTT> like actually asking he keep the info to himself
  853. [2011-12-15 23:58:37] <Falconis> it's like somebody seeing you take a dip in the River Styx
  854. [2011-12-15 23:58:42] <Ironybot> I don't see how we can possibly let him see the end of the ritual without letting him know that we're getting our third bloodline from our Artifact.
  855. [2011-12-15 23:58:46] <Falconis> he sees how it works
  856. [2011-12-15 23:58:59] <Falconis> and he sees where your 'Achelles heel' is
  857. [2011-12-15 23:59:07] <Falconis> Achilles
  858. [2011-12-15 23:59:07] <Ironybot> That is information that we don't want him to get, ergo we shouldn't let him see us complete it.
  859. [2011-12-15 23:59:20] <MrTT> that assumes there is an achiles heel
  860. [2011-12-15 23:59:36] <Falconis> there is always an Achilles heel
  861. [2011-12-15 23:59:38] <MrTT> and ironybot, its information we don't want him to use against us or spread around
  862. [2011-12-15 23:59:53] <MrTT> we are not sure that he will determine volnerabilities
  863. [2011-12-16 00:00:01] <Ironybot> No, it's information we don't want him to HAVE.
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