[18:02] <Forest> lo hun
[18:02] <Forest> whats the long term plan?
[18:02] <crusie> lo
[18:02] <crusie> we're too big
[18:02] <crusie> ppl are scared of us
[18:02] <crusie> long term is
[18:02] <crusie> counter block
[18:13] <Forest> hmm
[18:13] <Forest> im not keen on 'our block is bigger than your block' cause 2 biggest alliances get bum fucked
[18:13] <Forest> better to divide and conquer our enemies
[18:14] <crusie> we tried that
[18:14] <crusie> its pretty solid
[18:14] <Forest> you tried that
[18:14] <Forest> i havent :p
[18:16] <crusie> ct is a big problem
[18:16] <crusie> they say they're neutral
[18:16] <crusie> but obviously napped that other block
[18:16] <crusie> and can only hit us then
[18:17] <Forest> i will sort em
[18:17] <crusie> need to afk again
[18:17] <Forest> k
[20:09] <Forest> lo
[20:09] <crusie> lo
[20:09] <Forest> u gotta build a good relationship with ct
[20:09] <crusie> yeah i'm trying
[20:09] <Forest> they are key to making/breaking blocks
[20:09] <Forest> im told ct wont hit us tonight
[20:09] <crusie> hmm
[20:10] <crusie> i tried ct
[20:10] <crusie> but what they say is
[20:10] <crusie> they don't get hit so they're doing galraidings, no reason for them to join our block and get incs
[20:10] <crusie> so i've been using ND to contact CT to fight ultprime
[20:11] <Forest> use me from now on, but dont let on im with you guys
[20:11] <crusie> i've told pommeh to contact ppl too
[20:12] <crusie> he says apprime have internal problems
[20:12] <crusie> cardi wants to hit inferno but many app are friends with us
[20:13] <Forest> good
[20:13] <crusie> pommeh knows more
[20:13] <crusie> i've put him on the job
[20:13] <crusie> as cardi hates me heh
[20:13] <Forest> also, with regards to hc room.  if say, rainbows are hitting someone for us, dont tell hc room
[20:14] <crusie> rainbows fight BF for us
[20:15] <Forest> yeah but when im whining to others about blocks ruining pa, i dont want that leaking :p
[20:15] <crusie> i know heh
[20:17] <Forest> in spore, i made loads of agreements behind zhils back.  thats why i did all targets.  by all means have them agreements but share them with one person only, and that is the person doing tp'ing
[20:21] <Forest> 1 person do politics, 1 person do tp'ing.   and talk to each other in pm
[20:22] <Forest> is my advice
[20:23] <crusie> i tried
[20:23] <crusie> but i kinda have to do everything solo
[20:23] <crusie> the others are slacking
[20:24] <crusie> i basicly tell them what to do everytime, else it doesn't happen
[20:24] <Forest> then you need ppl to deal with each aspect
[20:24] <Forest> call a hc meeting and agree roles
[20:25] <crusie> i asked pommeh to help on poltics
[20:25] <crusie> and bc
[20:25] <crusie> shud be fine now
[20:25] <Forest> k
[20:31] <Forest> politically i am the best. and im around a lot now. use me if u need me
[20:32] <Forest> and dont blcok!
[20:32] <Forest> avoid blocks, we win
Session Close: Wed Oct 29 20:33:53 2014
Session Start: Thu Oct 30 13:13:57 2014
Session Ident: crusie
[13:14] <Forest> when are u back, i need a meeting with you and then a hc meeting
[13:14] <crusie> never know with family
[13:14] <crusie> i can always talk freely after midnight
[13:15] <crusie> but i'm the only HC alive in the night
[13:15] <Forest> yeah, needs to be earlier
[13:15] <crusie> now?
[13:15] <crusie> realy quick
[13:15] <crusie> if possible
[13:16] <Forest> just that we need hc doing set roles. from where i sit it looks a mess with ppl doing nothing and not knowing roles
[13:16] <crusie> yeah i been doing everything rly
[13:16] <Forest> that needs to change
[13:16] <crusie> the others are quite unactive
[13:17] <crusie> snowseal is in charge of fleet strat
[13:17] <Forest> they wont be if given specific roles
[13:17] <crusie> but he hasnt send out any mail on what to build yet
[13:17] <crusie> but whats there to do for them?
[13:17] <Forest> i think a lot of the problem is, you arent around at the times when decisions need to be made
[13:18] <crusie> i know
[13:18] <crusie> i can be here 24/7
[13:18] <Forest> what parts of runnning inf do you wanna keep hold of?  bits you wont let others do?
[13:18] <crusie> i'm here till 5am in the morning
[13:18] <crusie> then im back at 8am in the morning
[13:18] <crusie> so i need sleep during the day
[13:18] <crusie> atm i don't trust anything to the others rly
[13:18] <crusie> they rly been slacking
[13:18] <crusie> i've had a lot of pms from the members
[13:18] <Forest> there is your problem
[13:19] <Forest> they are experienced players
[13:19] <crusie> thing is
[13:19] <crusie> i arranged 24 nap with BF
[13:19] <crusie> then one of my own HC breaks that nap
[13:19] <crusie> BF got all arrogant and pissed
[13:20] <crusie> when i told the others to do TP
[13:21] <crusie> i even gave them the coords to hit
[13:21] <crusie> TP is more then an hour too late
[13:21] <crusie> thats rly unacceptable
[13:22] <crusie> they have their phones set and if smsed for def at night they don't come
[13:22] <Forest> ok this is what i want you to do.  need you to get sleep and come back with an answer.  decide what you want to retain full control of and what you want to release to others. consider making me hc, even a temp one, i will call meeting and have ppl doing what needs doing.  i know you, you wont relinquish control, i will need to take it. i wont accept an answer now, go sleep on it and come back to me. i suggest you have someone do politics, someone else do defence, someone attacks as the three main things
[13:24] <crusie> okido
[13:26] <crusie> me politics together with pommeh, steel doing retal planning in the morning, yama TPing with pommeh coordinating attacks, Virall phone numbers of members as alot of them are unknown and wrongly added in the bot and since he did whatsapp i guess he knows some phonenumbers, snowseal fleetstrategist, i'm the only one at night so guess i can assess how defence works
[13:27] <crusie> i'll go sleep now and think of some more stuff
[13:27] <Forest> k
[13:29] <crusie> btw
[13:30] <crusie> i have a spy in CT and p3ng
[13:30] <crusie> i knwo who they hit each time
[13:30] <Forest> they are shit spies then, u said last night ct were hitting us ;p
[13:31] <crusie> nah
[13:31] <crusie> i knew it got fixed in the end
[13:31] <crusie> didn't knew coords of tgts then
[13:32] <Forest> i did though, and i dont have a spy
[13:32] <Forest> sharing rooms with ct hc ftw!
[13:38] <crusie> hehe
[13:41] <Forest> oh and im going to say outright now, and here.  you cant effectively do politics unless you can be contacted, so you will need to allow someone else, another hc that can be contacted to work closely with you
[13:42] <crusie> hence pommeh is doing it
[13:43] <Forest> he isnt hc though is he?
[13:43] <crusie> we're napped to faceless and apprime tonight
[13:43] <crusie> we're even coordinating a bit with apprime tonight
[13:43] <Forest> on pen?
[13:43] <crusie> we hit p3ng
[13:43] <crusie> app hit CT ingal
[13:44] <Forest> thats totally not cool
[13:44] <crusie> cardi is losing his grip on their ppl
[13:44] <Forest> ct are gonna be well pissed at that
[13:44] <Forest> i cant support that, its a BIG mistake
[13:44] <crusie> CT arleady said to me they have no interest in helping us
[13:44] <crusie> so fuck them
[13:44] <Forest> i spoke to ct, that is far from the case
[13:45] <crusie> well now cuz app is hitting them they wanna help heh
[13:45] <crusie> we're ptargetting p3ng anyway
[13:45] <crusie> and app is ptargetting CT
[13:46] <crusie> so its not rly an agreement
[13:46] <Forest> it is if you agree targets together
[13:46] <Forest> app can NOT hit into our target gals
[13:47] <Forest> let ct/app hit each other, dont be drawn into a war
[13:47] <crusie> not my fault if p3ng fatties are in a CT gal
[13:47] <crusie> can't avoid the fatties
[13:47] <Forest> yes it is.  leaking our targets in advance so they can hit into them is sly and out of order
[13:49] <Forest> and you KNOW app will tell ct we planned it together
[13:49] <Forest> app want us drawn into a war with ct, they know they cant beat them alone
[13:49] <crusie> its not planned...
[13:50] <crusie> u want me to avoid all fat targets in a CT gal?
[13:50] <crusie> thats impossible
[13:50] <Forest> it app are hitting the ct in our target gals, then it is planned
[13:50] <crusie> we're at war with p3ng
[13:50] <crusie> app at war with ct
[13:51] <crusie> so that means i cannot hit p3ng in a ct gal?
[13:52] <Forest> of course you can.  what you cant do is leak our targets to app.  let them find their own targets. if there is overlap that suits us, but its way too early in the round to be teaming up on gals, which is what you are suggesting
[13:52] <crusie> nah
[13:52] <crusie> u misunderstand me i guess
[13:52] <crusie> what u just said was the plan
[13:52] <crusie> we know app is hitting CT gals
[13:53] <crusie> so my plan was to hit p3ng in CT gals for easier landings
[13:53] <crusie> as that gal can't cross def as good
[13:54] <Forest> k yeah that is ok. and different to what i thought you meant, by having shared targets
[13:54] <crusie> well no
[13:54] <crusie> im just saying its obvious where they'd hit
[13:54] <crusie> and where we hit
[13:54] <Forest> yup
Session Close: Thu Oct 30 21:24:32 2014
Session Start: Sat Nov 01 20:00:48 2014
Session Ident: crusie
[20:00] <Forest> are you here?
[20:01] <crusie> yeah but only reading, not talking
[20:01] <Forest> aye
[20:01] <Forest> i gather you are pissed off
[20:01] <Forest> i want to step up and help
[20:01] <Forest> but i need you
[20:01] <Forest> i cant do it without you, you are the face of the ally
[20:01] <Forest> can i share my thoughts with you?
[20:01] <crusie> yeah but can't talk atm
[20:02] <Forest> k
[20:02] <Forest> i will talk on, you can reply when u can
[20:07] <Forest> firstly, i know u wannakeep politics, but i think atm u need  step back, take over again when things are clearer
[20:07] <Forest> i can NEVER take a public face of politics, ppl hate me and will hit us cause of me
[20:08] <Forest> and i think you are finding that a bit now
[20:08] <Forest> but you HAVE to stay in politics
[20:08] <Forest> you reach places others cant
[20:08] <Forest> my suggestoin for now...
[20:09] <Forest> Steel> Politics
[20:09] <Forest> Forest> Secret politics
[20:09] <Forest> Yama> Targets
[20:09] <Forest> ---
[20:09] <Forest> Snowseal> ship orders
[20:09] <Forest> Crusie> defence
[20:09] <Forest> ---
[20:09] <Forest> Virall> tech stuff, getting all added to bots, numbers, taxes on etc. Fingers in what members are doing.
[20:09] <Forest> .
[20:09] <Forest> that for internal structuring
[20:09] <Forest> politically...
[20:09] <Forest> Inf> full alliance with ND/Rain/hr v pen/bf.
[20:09] <Forest> try and keep fl out
[20:09] <Forest> i deal with ct
[20:09] <Forest> crusie keeps appult on side
[20:09] <Forest> job done
[20:10] <Forest> thats my thoughts.  u need to now decide on what is best for you/inferno
[20:11] <Forest> dont make any decision based on me, i have other offers and wont be offended if u say no
[20:28] <crusie> i"m completely stepping down from politics
[20:28] <crusie> i'll try to keep morale high in members alltho my morale is pretty down myself
[20:30] <Forest> i know, but you will get it back
[20:30] <Forest> we need you on top form
[20:30] <Forest> can i show my plan to rest of hc?
[20:30] <crusie> sure
[20:30] <crusie> we need pommeh motivated tho
[20:30] <crusie> else 50% of our members go down
[20:31] <Forest> and if they agree, i need you doing some bits of politics
[20:31] <Forest> i will keep pommeh sorted
Session Close: Sat Nov 01 22:07:50 2014