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  1. [21:19:58] <KeybladeSpyMaste> Well, I've got twenty minutes past the hour. Do you guys want to start?
  2. [21:20:18] <Aixon> Start what?
  3. [21:20:27] <Aixon> You having a round the table or something?
  4. [21:20:46] <FifteenthMember> I'm not sure what we need to discuss
  5. [21:20:48] <FifteenthMember> Cos no one is here
  6. [21:20:52] <FifteenthMember> Aixon: WAFRE meeting
  7. [21:21:22] <Aixon> So many acronyms that I do not understand...
  8. [21:21:46] <FifteenthMember> Wiki Alliance for Responsible Editing
  9. [21:21:52] <FifteenthMember> AKA Anti-Disney Wiki League
  10. [21:22:04] <FifteenthMember> But don't tell people that
  11. [21:22:13] <Aixon> Especially not Byz? ^^
  12. [21:22:35] <ANX219> shouldn't we host on a new channel
  13. [21:22:50] <Neumannz> Nah, you can tell him, I'm sure that'll go well :P
  14. [21:25:07] <Aixon> I've had very limited communication with him, and from what I've heard...he's not someone I want to be acquainted with.
  15. [21:25:17] <Aixon> xD
  16. [21:25:29] <ANX219> xD
  17. [21:28:39] <Neumannz> He's hard to deal with, to say leas the least
  18. [21:32:34] <Neumannz> Ok, if we're doing this today, let's get a move on
  19. [21:32:52] <Neumannz> I don't have more than a half hour today
  20. [21:33:12] <ANX219> aighT
  21. [21:33:13] <ANX219> KSM
  22. [21:33:31] <FifteenthMember> What are we discussing?
  23. [21:33:39] <KeybladeSpyMaste> I don't have more than half an hour, either.
  24. [21:34:21] <ANX219> STARTO
  25. [21:34:29] <KeybladeSpyMaste> I thought we should discuss what exactly we're gonna do. We have an alliance (theoretically), and all, but now what?
  26. [21:34:37] <FifteenthMember> We start a forum post
  27. [21:34:44] <FifteenthMember> We explain that we've created this alliance
  28. [21:34:54] <ANX219> ARE WE REALLY
  29. [21:34:56] <ANX219> ._.
  30. [21:35:16] <FifteenthMember> We explain that the alliance serves to make sure that all Wikis edit responsibly and ethically
  31. [21:35:43] <FifteenthMember> Under that, we pinpoint that we don't stand for Disney Wiki's plagiarism
  32. [21:35:48] <Neumannz> All of our member wikis
  33. [21:36:03] <FifteenthMember> We say that we want to see as much change as possible
  34. [21:36:10] <FifteenthMember> We acknowledge that there has already been some change
  35. [21:36:23] <FifteenthMember> We just want the change to continue
  36. [21:36:41] <FifteenthMember> But if it doesn't...
  37. [21:36:55] <Neumannz> We want new policies to be institutionalized
  38. [21:37:02] <FifteenthMember> And basically give them that ultimatum
  39. [21:37:37] <FifteenthMember> That's pretty much it
  40. [21:38:44] <Neumannz> I would like to see WAFRE be something along the lines of a wiki society of sorts
  41. [21:39:03] <Neumannz> Something that wikis would aspire to join
  42. [21:39:07] <FifteenthMember> Yes
  43. [21:39:09] * Cheisa (ad42907a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.66.144.122) has joined #KHWiki-social
  44. [21:39:15] * ChanServ sets mode: +v Cheisa
  45. [21:39:22] <KeybladeSpyMaste> I like that
  46. [21:39:23] <FifteenthMember> We could leave a link at the end to a place where all Wikis can sign up
  47. [21:39:24] <KeybladeSpyMaste> Hey Cheisa
  48. [21:39:30] <+Cheisa> yo
  49. [21:39:30] <FifteenthMember> And join us so it's open to all
  50. [21:39:46] <FifteenthMember> We could mention that Disney Wiki is our "first project" so that the alliance can still operate in the future if needed
  51. [21:41:28] <Neumannz> Something like that
  52. [21:41:49] <FifteenthMember> Yeah
  53. [21:41:55] <KeybladeSpyMaste> So, like a United Nations kinda deal? That'd be cool
  54. [21:42:12] <FifteenthMember> So we just need all the other Wikis to finally tell us they're okay with what we're saying in the forum
  55. [21:42:23] <FifteenthMember> And then someone can actually start the post
  56. [21:42:37] <KeybladeSpyMaste> Uskok (I should note for the record), gave an idea.
  57. [21:43:35] <KeybladeSpyMaste> "What you really need here is a group of users, composed of editors from all the Wikias from which the content was stolen (and these people must know the content of their Wikias very good), who would check every new suspicious article on Disney Wiki, and if they find out the content was stolen, remove the stolen material and notify the admins (the admins who are willing to follow their
  58. [21:43:35] <KeybladeSpyMaste> own rules) about the user who stole that material...."
  59. [21:44:01] <KeybladeSpyMaste> "One of the admins, Disney dork777, was responsible for Byzantinefire's loss of admin rights,...so I believe this proposed "Police Patrol" would have his support."
  60. [21:45:08] <KeybladeSpyMaste> Just so that we have his idea here for the record. Though, I'll be honest, I like FM's idea.
  61. [21:45:54] <FifteenthMember> If we went around checking every article
  62. [21:46:10] <FifteenthMember> That'd be the same as us getting rid of everything ourselves anyway
  63. [21:46:59] <Neumannz> Plus, what if they don't give us permission to remove the content
  64. [21:47:17] <Neumannz> We're dependant on them cooperating
  65. [21:47:25] <Neumannz> Either way
  66. [21:47:41] <FifteenthMember> We don't need permission to remove the content though
  67. [21:47:46] <FifteenthMember> Unless it's attributed of course
  68. [21:47:49] <Neumannz> True
  69. [21:48:01] <FifteenthMember> Also, he keeps mentioning "Wikias"
  70. [21:48:08] <FifteenthMember> We're for all Wikis, including independant ones
  71. [21:49:24] <KeybladeSpyMaste> Ok, then. Anyone object to FM's idea?
  72. [21:51:56] * KeybladeSpyMaste here's no objections....
  73. [21:51:58] <Aixon> I knew the Organization would end up ruling the worlds again. ^^
  74. [21:52:01] <KeybladeSpyMaste> *hears
  75. [21:52:18] * Grim-Ripper (Grim-Rippe@ppp046177023207.access.hol.gr) has joined #KHWiki-social
  76. [21:52:21] <FifteenthMember> The "member wikis" of WAFRE might have objections
  77. [21:52:28] <FifteenthMember> But they aren't here to say anything
  78. [21:52:39] <FifteenthMember> So I dunno
  79. [21:53:51] <Neumannz> So, we'll put it to them to comment on
  80. [21:54:03] <FifteenthMember> Sure
  81. [21:54:56] <Neumannz> I've got less than ten min
  82. [21:55:01] <KeybladeSpyMaste> I'm about to leave
  83. [21:55:14] <KeybladeSpyMaste> Just one proposal, a change to the name.
  84. [21:55:30] <FifteenthMember> What do you have in mind?
  85. [21:55:39] <KeybladeSpyMaste> All Wikis Establishing Standards on Making Edits Responsible Alliance
  86. [21:55:46] <KeybladeSpyMaste> Cuz then we're AWESOMER Alliance
  87. [21:55:53] <KeybladeSpyMaste> got to go;
  88. [21:55:56] * KeybladeSpyMaste (~KSM@c-50-168-202-169.hsd1.ut.comcast.net) Quit
  89. [21:56:03] <ANX219> :(
  90. [21:56:08] <FifteenthMember> Aww
  91. [21:56:09] <ANX219> i like the idea
  92. [21:56:13] <FifteenthMember> He never got any praise
  93. [21:56:32] <Aixon> That's a long acronym. ^^
  94. [21:56:35] <FifteenthMember> Before he left
  95. [21:57:06] <FifteenthMember> It is quite look
  96. [21:57:10] <FifteenthMember> *long
  97. [21:58:39] <Neumannz> Long, and slightly we're-not-all-that-serious-about-this-y
  98. [21:58:50] <Neumannz> I dunno about it
  99. [21:58:54] <FifteenthMember> I prefer a shorter one
  100. [21:58:57] <FifteenthMember> It's more memorable
  101. [21:59:04] <ANX219> i prefer you to speak less
  102. [21:59:08] * ANX219 pushes her glasses up
  103. [21:59:13] <ANX219> hohohohohoho
  104. [21:59] <Neumannz> We'll talk about it
  105. [21:59] <ANX219> i'm kidding
  106. [21:59] <Neumannz> In the meaning, I gotta split
  107. 01[21:59] <FifteenthMember> Bye
  108. [21:59] <Neumannz> Peace out
  109. [21:59] <Neumannz> Someone make a logo!
  110. 02[21:59] * Neumannz (~egrahc@pool-72-66-69-128.washdc.fios.verizon.net) Quit (Quit: AndroIRC - Android IRC Client ( http://www.androirc.com ))
  111. 01[22:00] <FifteenthMember> He drops the bombshell at the end
  112. 01[22:00] <FifteenthMember> ANX, dear
  113. 01[22:00] <FifteenthMember> Don't be a Takamatsu
  114. [22:00] <ANX219> a what?
  115. 01[22:01] <FifteenthMember> http://www.bioshale.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/09/angel-beats-takamatsu-h1n-net.jpg
  116. 01[22:01] <FifteenthMember> Wait, I dunno if you watched Angel Beats
  117. 01[22:01] <FifteenthMember> I think you watched half of it?
  118. [22:02] <ANX219> that is a jpg
  119. [22:02] <ANX219> of two guys
  120. [22:03] <ANX219> i do not comprehend
  121. 01[22:04] <FifteenthMember> Takamatsu wears glasses to look smart
  122. 01[22:04] <FifteenthMember> He's actually stupid.
  123. [22:04] <ANX219> ohhhhh
  124. [22:05] <ANX219> WOWW
  125. [22:05] <ANX219> I AM SMART >:C
  126. 03[22:05] * Gray_Catbird (cfec7c11@gateway/web/freenode/ip.207.236.124.17) has joined #KHWiki-social
  127. 01[22:05] <FifteenthMember> I know you are
  128. [22:05] <ANX219> a cat can also be a bird?
  129. [22:05] <ANX219> o.O
  130. [22:06] <Gray_Catbird> oh yes it can
  131. [22:06] <ANX219> hello
  132. [22:06] <ANX219> i do not believe i have seen you here before
  133. [22:06] <Gray_Catbird> (it's actually the name of a species)
  134. [22:06] <Aixon> Nice to meet you, Catbird.
  135. [22:06] <Gray_Catbird> I am from Pixar Wiki
  136. [22:06] <Gray_Catbird> Nice to meet you to
  137. [22:06] <ANX219> oh cool
  138. 1[22:07] <FifteenthMember> Hello
  139. 01[22:07] <FifteenthMember> I'm afraid you just missed the meeting
  140. 01[22:07] <FifteenthMember> But I can provide a log for you
  141. [22:07] <Gray_Catbird> yes...
  142. [22:07] <Gray_Catbird> unfortunatly I couldn't get on a computer before now
  143. [22:07] <Gray_Catbird> Sure, if you have a log, I would be interested in checking it out
  144. [22:08] <Aixon> You're the first non-KHwiki editor beside myself to come along heh...
  145. 03[22:08] * Aixon is now known as AiXon
  146. [22:08] <ANX219> keyhole nerd
  147. [22:08] <ANX219> wait
  148. [22:08] <ANX219> wai
  149. [22:08] <Gray_Catbird> Where do you come from AiXon?
  150. [22:09] <AiXon> The Keyhole heh. I'm not that foreign.
  151. [22:09] <ANX219> hes weird
  152. 03[22:10] * AiXon is now known as AiXon|Afk
  153. 01[22:10] <FifteenthMember> Gray: here you go
  154. 01[22:10] <FifteenthMember> http://pastebin.com/T0H0pLhG
  155. [22:10] <Gray_Catbird> I see
  156. [22:11] <AiXon|Afk> (I wasn't part of the meeting itself)
  157. [22:11] <Gray_Catbird> going to check that out now
  158. 03[22:15] * Gray_Catbird_ (cfec7c11@gateway/web/freenode/ip.207.236.124.17) has joined #KHWiki-social
  159. 02[22:15] * Gray_Catbird (cfec7c11@gateway/web/freenode/ip.207.236.124.17) Quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)
  160. [22:15] <Gray_Catbird_> Sorry guys, I lost my connection
  161. 01[22:15] <FifteenthMember> Gray: http://pastebin.com/wUatQmtU
  162. [22:15] <Gray_Catbird_> just got back on
  163. 01[22:15] <FifteenthMember> I missed a bit at the end
  164. [22:15] <ANX219> lol that happens to me too
  165. [22:15] <ANX219> it's annoying xD
  166. [22:16] <Gray_Catbird_> yeah, hopefully it's stable now
  167. [22:17] <Gray_Catbird_> Fifteeenth, that pastebin link is different from the first one you sent?
  168. 01[22:17] <FifteenthMember> Yes
  169. [22:17] <Gray_Catbird_> The first one I got was http://pastebin.com/T0H0pLhG
  170. 01[22:17] <FifteenthMember> It's the end
  171. 01[22:17] <FifteenthMember> Yes
  172. [22:17] <Gray_Catbird_> oh ok
  173. [22:18] <+Cheisa> so, I'm sitting in the dark, cus if I turn on my lights, little kids are gonna come to my house
  174. 01[22:19] <FifteenthMember> xD
  175. 01[22:19] <FifteenthMember> This is why I think...
  176. 01[22:19] <FifteenthMember> Halloween is weird
  177. [22:19] <+Cheisa> my only lights are from my computer and tv
  178. [22:19] <ANX219> o.O
  179. [22:20] <+Cheisa> the spooky level is high
  180. 03[22:20] * ANX219 is now known as ANX|SpookFood
  181. [22:20] <ANX|SpookFood> oooo
  182. [22:21] <ANX|SpookFood> it fits
  183. [22:21] <ANX|SpookFood> hehe
  184. [22:21] <Gray_Catbird_> Ok, I red the pastebin
  185. 01[22:21] <FifteenthMember> Thoughts?
  186. [22:21] <Gray_Catbird_> Was wondering, were there any represent of other wikis present?
  187. 01[22:21] <FifteenthMember> No
  188. 03[22:21] * Cheisa is now known as SpookiChaser
  189. [22:22] <+SpookiChaser> fuck yeah
  190. 01[22:22] <FifteenthMember> None of them managed to make it unfortunately
  191. [22:22] <Gray_Catbird_> I see
  192. [22:22] <Gray_Catbird_> oh well
  193. [22:22] <Gray_Catbird_> Ok so about the thing
  194. 01[22:22] <FifteenthMember> Yes?
  195. [22:23] <Gray_Catbird_> So in essence, there are two ideas proposed: make a sort of wiki petition, and/or set up a plagiarism police?
  196. 01[22:23] <FifteenthMember> Yeah
  197. 01[22:23] <FifteenthMember> I doubt it'll be just for plagiarism though
  198. 01[22:23] <FifteenthMember> If there are other issues that need our attention
  199. [22:24] <Gray_Catbird_> like what?
  200. 0122:24] <FifteenthMember> Also, where should we hold our wiki petition?
  201. 01[22:24] <FifteenthMember> Anything where Wikis are trangressing beyond their rights
  202. [22:24] <Gray_Catbird_> I see
  203. 01[22:24] <FifteenthMember> There probably is nothing else
  204. 01[22:25] <FifteenthMember> But if anything that we think is wrong does happen, we should be open to confronting it
  205. [22:25] <Gray_Catbird_> The thing is, as someone mentionned, this will work only if they agree
  206. 01[22:25] <FifteenthMember> The Disney Wiki?
  207. [22:25] <Gray_Catbird_> yes
  208. 01[22:25] <FifteenthMember> Or the other members of the alliance?
  209. [22:25] <Gray_Catbird_> The Disney Wiki
  210. 01[22:25] <FifteenthMember> Yeah, if the Disney Wiki do not cooperate, we have a plan B
  211. 01[22:30] <FifteenthMember> Yeah, so that's the plan
  212. [22:30] <Gray_Catbird_> Wikia staff tend to be very ambiguous when it comes to plagiarism
  213. 1[22:30] <FifteenthMember> Like how?
  214. [22:30] <Gray_Catbird_> it gives me the impression they don't mind it
  215. 01[22:30] <FifteenthMember> We could just talk to the Disney Wiki about it then
  216. 03[22:30] * ANX|SpookFood is now known as SpookX219
  217. 03[22:31] * SpookX219 is now known as Spooki219
  218. [22:33] <Gray_Catbird_> oops, my message got a bit out of context
  219. [22:34] <Gray_Catbird_> One thing I find interesting though is that Byzantinefire once received
  220. [22:34] <Gray_Catbird_> from a Wikia staff what was essentially a word of approbation of the no-plagiarism rule on Disney Wiki
  221. [22:34] <Gray_Catbird_> which I thought was unusual from them
  222. 01[22:35] <FifteenthMember> approbation?
  223. 01[22:35] <FifteenthMember> Do you have a link?
  224. [22:35] <Gray_Catbird_> I'm looking...
  225. 01[22:35] <FifteenthMember> Cool
  226. 03[22:37] * Gray_Catbird (cfec7c11@gateway/web/freenode/ip.207.236.124.17) has joined #KHWiki-social
  227. [22:37] <Gray_Catbird> And I got again disconnected
  228. [22:37] <Gray_Catbird> http://community.wikia.com/wiki/Thread:608476
  229. [22:37] <Gray_Catbird> is what I was talking about
  230. 02[22:39] * Gray_Catbird_ (cfec7c11@gateway/web/freenode/ip.207.236.124.17) Quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)
  231. [22:41] <Gray_Catbird> I think it's hard to know whether or not Disney Wiki will cooperate
  232. [22:42] <Gray_Catbird> But seeing how they seemed to agree to do pretty much anything when KHWiki complained...
  233. [22:42] <Gray_Catbird> I have the impression some admins would follow without discussion
  234. 1[22:43] <FifteenthMember> Yeah
  235. 01[22:43] <FifteenthMember> This is more a way to just put some pressure on them so they work faster
  236. [22:43] <Gray_Catbird> yeah
  237. 01[22:43] <FifteenthMember> Well, I think we just need to relay this meeting to the rest of the Wikis
  238. 01[22:44] <FifteenthMember> And then we can create a forum post on the DW to start off WAFRE
  239. [22:44] <Gray_Catbird> Sure
  240. [22:44] <Gray_Catbird> One thing though
  241. [22:44] <AiXon|Afk> I'm off. Good night folks.
  242. 01[22:44] <FifteenthMember> Night
  243. 02[22:45] * AiXon|Afk (56a5a7b0@gateway/web/freenode/ip.86.165.167.176) Quit (Quit: Tomorrow, and the day after, and on and on... I'll always be with you.)
  244. [22:45] <Gray_Catbird> Good night
  245. [22:45] <Gray_Catbird> a bit late
  246. [22:45] <Gray_Catbird> To have Pixar Wiki officially "sign" this petition, it would need some discussion with the other admins
  247. [22:45] <Gray_Catbird> I think I myself would agree with contributing
  248. 01[22:45] <FifteenthMember> Of course
  249. 01[22:45] <FifteenthMember> You guys can all discuss
  250. [22:45] <Gray_Catbird> but there are other admins on Pixar WIki
  251. [22:45] <Gray_Catbird> Ok
  252. [22:46] <Gray_Catbird> So can this be done "in public" ^
  253. [22:46] <Gray_Catbird> ?
  254. 01[22:46] <FifteenthMember> I'd say yes
  255. 01[22:46] <FifteenthMember> We're done waiting at this point
  256. [22:46] <Gray_Catbird> I mean, do you guys still want to keep all this secret
  257. [22:46] <Gray_Catbird> OK
  258. 01[22:46] <FifteenthMember> If we carry on in secret, it's going to take ages to get anything done :P
  259. 01[22:46] <FifteenthMember> But I don't know what the rest feel
  260. [22:47] <Gray_Catbird> I sse
  261. [22:47] <Gray_Catbird> see
  262. [22:47] <Gray_Catbird> OK, I'll try to do something with that
  263. [22:48] <Gray_Catbird> I have some trouble to get into wiki politics, because it often takes quite a lot of time to write stuff
  264. 03[22:48] * auror (~auror@trivialand/master/auror) has joined #KHWiki-social
  265. [22:49] <Gray_Catbird> The complaint I posted on Disney Wiki, it probably stayed in the drawers 4 months
  266. 1[22:49] <FifteenthMember> Yeah
  267. [22:49] <Gray_Catbird> Ok, so to conclude
  268. 01[22:49] <FifteenthMember> Thanks for coming here
  269. [22:49] <Gray_Catbird> I wold agree to participate in both these ideas you discussed
  270. [22:50] <Gray_Catbird> for the first one, I need to discuss it with the rest of Pixar Wiki
  271. [22:50] <Spooki219> aur! hai
  272. [22:50] <Gray_Catbird> for the second, I should be able to contribute as well
  273. [22:50] <Gray_Catbird> if it is accepted by Disney Wiki
  274. [22:51] <Gray_Catbird> That thing Keyblade found in the creative commons license intrigues me
  275. 01[22:51] <FifteenthMember> Okay
  276. 01[22:52] <FifteenthMember> We could
  277. [22:53] <Gray_Catbird> Ok well
  278. [22:53] <Gray_Catbird> I have to leave now
  279. [22:54] <Gray_Catbird> hope that helped
  280. [22:54] <Gray_Catbird> Keep me informed
  281. [22:54] <Gray_Catbird> Bye
  282. 01[22:54] <FifteenthMember> Okay
  283. 01[22:54] <FifteenthMember> Sure
  284. 01[22:54] <FifteenthMember> See you later
  285. [22:54] <Gray_Catbird> how do you close this thing
  286. [22:55] <Gray_Catbird> OK well, I'll close the window and it'll time out...
  287. [22:55] <Gray_Catbird> See you
  288. 01[22:55] <FifteenthMember> Use /quit
  289. [22:56] <Spooki219> i almost typed /quit because you said that
  290. [22:56] <Spooki219> xD
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