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  1. (Sat/12:08:07 PM) <@mostwanted> alright
  2. (Sat/12:09:37 PM) <@mostwanted> magma requested his team to be rated: http://www.smogon.com/forums/showpost.php?p=3593280&postcount=2
  3. (Sat/12:09:41 PM) * LizardMan (~LizardMan@E47DB6F7.530EC164.5190E5F8.IP) has joined #ratemyteam
  4. (Sat/12:09:41 PM) * Porygon2 sets mode: +h LizardMan
  5. (Sat/12:10:16 PM) * &blue (blue@stronger.than.earthworm) Quit (Quit: )
  6. (Sat/12:11:21 PM) TheCowDestroyer: toxic spikes and scald are the first thing I notice
  7. (Sat/12:11:27 PM) <@mostwanted> pretty unorthodox semi-stall team
  8. (Sat/12:12:40 PM) <@mostwanted> karpman, harsha, bkc, shakeitup, ab2; thoughts?
  9. (Sat/12:12:54 PM) DestinyUnknown: it looks realy latios weak
  10. (Sat/12:12:57 PM) DestinyUnknown: really*
  11. (Sat/12:13:12 PM) harsha: idk if he really needs politoed
  12. (Sat/12:13:22 PM) <@mostwanted> calm mind jirachi is another potential threat
  13. (Sat/12:13:45 PM) +BKC: sorry i'm doing something atm
  14. (Sat/12:13:47 PM) +BKC: gimme a few
  15. (Sat/12:14:30 PM) +Andrew: drag + zone looks like a bitch
  16. (Sat/12:14:36 PM) <@mostwanted> yea politoed is unnecessary
  17. (Sat/12:14:43 PM) <@mostwanted> that too snype
  18. (Sat/12:14:47 PM) TheCowDestroyer: i don't know, but none of the Pokemon on his team seem bulky enough to stall for toxic damage except maybe for skarm
  19. (Sat/12:15:00 PM) +Andrew: how does he beat ferro?
  20. (Sat/12:15:00 PM) DestinyUnknown: and roserade looks kinda out of place
  21. (Sat/12:15:13 PM) DestinyUnknown: hoping for a burn
  22. (Sat/12:15:17 PM) DestinyUnknown: and ...
  23. (Sat/12:15:28 PM) <@mostwanted> jellicent's ev and moves don't make sense either: 240 HP / 84 Spd / 186 Def
  24. (Sat/12:15:43 PM) DestinyUnknown: hp electric is because he's gyarados weak
  25. (Sat/12:15:44 PM) +Andrew: hp elec for gyara i'm thinking
  26. (Sat/12:15:47 PM) %ShakeItUp: .-.
  27. (Sat/12:15:51 PM) DestinyUnknown: and the evs are standard
  28. (Sat/12:15:55 PM) DestinyUnknown: but with a lot of speed creep
  29. (Sat/12:15:57 PM) TheCowDestroyer: I don't think stall works in OU, weather gives offensive strategies too much power
  30. (Sat/12:15:57 PM) <@mostwanted> latias takes on gyarados well
  31. (Sat/12:15:58 PM) DestinyUnknown: I think
  32. (Sat/12:16:08 PM) Karpman: so does jellicent
  33. (Sat/12:16:12 PM) +Andrew: does roar work while bounce is active?
  34. (Sat/12:16:13 PM) DestinyUnknown: not that well
  35. (Sat/12:16:13 PM) harsha: stall does work TheCowDestroyer
  36. (Sat/12:16:16 PM) DestinyUnknown: no
  37. (Sat/12:16:19 PM) DestinyUnknown: it doesn't work
  38. (Sat/12:16:22 PM) Karpman: reuniclus + scarftar looks like it beats him
  39. (Sat/12:16:23 PM) <@mostwanted> switch to skar to take the bounce
  40. (Sat/12:16:29 PM) <@mostwanted> recover and stall it's pp
  41. (Sat/12:16:30 PM) * penguinx (~quackPeng@synIRC-7BB45A0.range81-151.btcentralplus.com) Quit (Ping timeout)
  42. (Sat/12:16:42 PM) +BKC: i think he really needs wow on jellicent
  43. (Sat/12:17:04 PM) +BKC: ttar waltzes in on it right now if hes not lucky with a scald burn
  44. (Sat/12:18:12 PM) <@mostwanted> he really needs a bulky-steel type to take on gengar and lati@s
  45. (Sat/12:18:21 PM) <@mostwanted> preferrably jirachi
  46. (Sat/12:18:29 PM) +BKC: what's toed doing for him
  47. (Sat/12:18:35 PM) DestinyUnknown: giving rain
  48. (Sat/12:18:46 PM) DestinyUnknown: but not like his team needs rain that much
  49. (Sat/12:18:50 PM) harsha: other than that not much
  50. (Sat/12:18:51 PM) harsha: yeah
  51. (Sat/12:18:51 PM) <@mostwanted> i'm not sure, rain doesn't benefits his semi-stall
  52. (Sat/12:18:56 PM) harsha: it's kinda just there
  53. (Sat/12:19:09 PM) +BKC: rachi > toed imo
  54. (Sat/12:19:22 PM) harsha: he could do that yea
  55. (Sat/12:19:22 PM) DestinyUnknown: yeah
  56. (Sat/12:19:24 PM) TheCowDestroyer: DestinyUnknown: It could be there to cancel out a weakness to some other weather
  57. (Sat/12:19:26 PM) +BKC: wish cm is cool
  58. (Sat/12:19:32 PM) DestinyUnknown: what weather?
  59. (Sat/12:19:34 PM) +BKC: eh cowdestroyer
  60. (Sat/12:19:41 PM) DestinyUnknown: sun is covered by latias mostly
  61. (Sat/12:19:45 PM) +BKC: if you want weather just so other weathers can't do their thing
  62. (Sat/12:19:48 PM) DestinyUnknown: and you can cover it with other pokemon
  63. (Sat/12:19:49 PM) +BKC: hail is your best bet
  64. (Sat/12:19:53 PM) +BKC: because mix aboma is great
  65. (Sat/12:19:57 PM) +BKC: but he's got weather covered fine
  66. (Sat/12:20:10 PM) DestinyUnknown: yeah
  67. (Sat/12:20:36 PM) DestinyUnknown: also with jirachi on the team he can probably change skarmory spread
  68. (Sat/12:20:41 PM) DestinyUnknown: to take on dragonite better
  69. (Sat/12:20:45 PM) <@mostwanted> indeed
  70. (Sat/12:21:01 PM) +BKC: does skarm have shed shell
  71. (Sat/12:21:05 PM) +BKC: i cba to look
  72. (Sat/12:21:07 PM) DestinyUnknown: n
  73. (Sat/12:21:13 PM) +BKC: shed shell then
  74. (Sat/12:21:19 PM) +BKC: bc dragmag is a bitch
  75. (Sat/12:22:18 PM) <@mostwanted> with cm + wish jirachi, latias isn't needed except against sun
  76. (Sat/12:23:07 PM) harsha: he could try heatran in its spot
  77. (Sat/12:23:17 PM) +BKC: heatran isn't that good as a sun check imo
  78. (Sat/12:23:25 PM) +BKC: b/c duggy is so prevalent
  79. (Sat/12:23:30 PM) +BKC: and eq venusaur is more common
  80. (Sat/12:23:34 PM) DestinyUnknown: even less because most volcarona run hp ground now
  81. (Sat/12:23:36 PM) harsha: yea that's fair
  82. (Sat/12:23:53 PM) +Andrew: how does he handle volc?
  83. (Sat/12:24:10 PM) <@mostwanted> he could use a revenge killer, possibly choice scarf terrakion
  84. (Sat/12:24:57 PM) <@mostwanted> volcarona literally shits on that team under sun and even rain
  85. (Sat/12:25:02 PM) DestinyUnknown: yeah
  86. (Sat/12:25:10 PM) DestinyUnknown: he looks weak to volturn too
  87. (Sat/12:25:17 PM) * HSA (Mibbit@synIRC-B4558BE6.dllstx.fios.verizon.net) has joined #ratemyteam
  88. (Sat/12:25:23 PM) DestinyUnknown: considering roserade doesn't have neither the bulk nor the attacks
  89. (Sat/12:25:27 PM) DestinyUnknown: to take down scizor
  90. (Sat/12:25:32 PM) harsha: yeah volc is bad
  91. (Sat/12:25:36 PM) harsha: hmm
  92. (Sat/12:25:43 PM) DestinyUnknown: max speed on roserade looks unnecesary too
  93. (Sat/12:25:48 PM) +BKC: toxic on jelli fixes the volc problem
  94. (Sat/12:25:54 PM) +BKC: he could run dual status jelli
  95. (Sat/12:25:59 PM) +BKC: its gimmicky but it works
  96. (Sat/12:26:30 PM) <@mostwanted> insert sub volcarona
  97. (Sat/12:26:33 PM) harsha: sub
  98. (Sat/12:26:33 PM) harsha: yeah
  99. (Sat/12:26:35 PM) Karpman: I'd run scarftoed and a more defensive skarm if I were him; hes hurt pretty badly by teams that stack terrakion/lucario and either can sweep on its own if donphan and skarm/jelli are weakened enough via hazards
  100. (Sat/12:26:39 PM) DestinyUnknown: or chestorest
  101. (Sat/12:26:42 PM) DestinyUnknown: even if it's not common
  102. (Sat/12:26:46 PM) +BKC: does anyone even use sub volc
  103. (Sat/12:26:50 PM) Karpman: and yea I agree on volc
  104. (Sat/12:26:53 PM) Karpman: but no one uses sub
  105. (Sat/12:26:53 PM) +BKC: taunt + toxic beats chestorest but yea
  106. (Sat/12:26:57 PM) * creepshow (~anonymous@synIRC-8C46A436.phlapa.fios.verizon.net) has joined #ratemyteam
  107. (Sat/12:27:18 PM) * Haunter (~Haunter@Choice.Scarf) has joined #ratemyteam
  108. (Sat/12:27:19 PM) * Porygon2 sets mode: +qo Haunter Haunter
  109. (Sat/12:28:18 PM) <@mostwanted> i don't know if scarf toed would be beneficial
  110. (Sat/12:28:39 PM) * supermarth64 (Marth@is.lonely) Quit (Ping timeout)
  111. (Sat/12:28:52 PM) * supermarth64 (~supermart@synIRC-B17EB872.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) has joined #ratemyteam
  112. (Sat/12:29:08 PM) harsha: hmm
  113. (Sat/12:29:21 PM) harsha: i think your suggestion of scarf terrak fixes up a lot
  114. (Sat/12:29:28 PM) harsha: and it hurts sun too
  115. (Sat/12:29:33 PM) harsha: since no one runs timid saur
  116. (Sat/12:29:41 PM) DestinyUnknown: yeah
  117. (Sat/12:29:44 PM) DestinyUnknown: it looks good
  118. (Sat/12:29:55 PM) DestinyUnknown: but what pokemon would be replaced for terrakion
  119. (Sat/12:30:02 PM) <@mostwanted> but the actual question does he actually needs rain?
  120. (Sat/12:30:10 PM) DestinyUnknown: I think no
  121. (Sat/12:30:21 PM) <@mostwanted> i was thinking latias, since bkc suggested cm + wish jirachi
  122. (Sat/12:30:22 PM) harsha: i dont think so either
  123. (Sat/12:30:46 PM) DestinyUnknown: that looks pretty good
  124. (Sat/12:31:03 PM) DestinyUnknown: jirachi>politoed and terrakion > latias
  125. (Sat/12:31:14 PM) DestinyUnknown: the next issue is handling volturn imo
  126. (Sat/12:31:18 PM) +Andrew: i dunno about replacing latias that much since he's only got one EQ immunity, which tends to cause a predictable dependence on skarm
  127. (Sat/12:31:41 PM) DestinyUnknown: he could replace roserade with a defensive celebi
  128. (Sat/12:31:45 PM) <@mostwanted> replacing roserade would solve that
  129. (Sat/12:31:46 PM) <@mostwanted> yea
  130. (Sat/12:31:47 PM) DestinyUnknown: that adds another ground resistance
  131. (Sat/12:31:54 PM) DestinyUnknown: and a way of handling volturn
  132. (Sat/12:32:15 PM) harsha: he didnt need tspikes much anyways
  133. (Sat/12:33:07 PM) <@mostwanted> so at the moment the team is: Jirachi, Jellicent, Terrakion, Skarmory, Donphan, Celebi
  134. (Sat/12:33:48 PM) DestinyUnknown: it looks much better
  135. (Sat/12:34:04 PM) %LizardMan: hm question
  136. (Sat/12:34:14 PM) %LizardMan: Is it possible for me to have a team of mine rated?
  137. (Sat/12:34:23 PM) <@mostwanted> after this definitely
  138. (Sat/12:34:36 PM) <@mostwanted> moving onto the sets
  139. (Sat/12:34:59 PM) %LizardMan: kk
  140. (Sat/12:35:18 PM) <@mostwanted> on jirachi calm mind, wish, psyshock and thunderbolt?
  141. (Sat/12:35:25 PM) +BKC: psychic
  142. (Sat/12:35:32 PM) +BKC: the less chances gliscor has to come in, the better
  143. (Sat/12:35:48 PM) <@mostwanted> how will he beat opposing calm minders
  144. (Sat/12:35:59 PM) +BKC: perish song cele
  145. (Sat/12:36:09 PM) +BKC: best kind of set for these teams imo
  146. (Sat/12:36:18 PM) +BKC: perish / giga drain or leaf storm / recover / u-turn
  147. (Sat/12:36:35 PM) <@mostwanted> alright, specially defensive right
  148. (Sat/12:36:42 PM) +BKC: yep
  149. (Sat/12:36:54 PM) +BKC: with a few defense evs for ttars that try to pursuit
  150. (Sat/12:37:32 PM) <@mostwanted> and toxic > hp electric on jellicent?
  151. (Sat/12:37:39 PM) +BKC: or willo
  152. (Sat/12:38:00 PM) <@mostwanted> since we have terrakion to take care of volcarona, wow would be better
  153. (Sat/12:39:14 PM) <@mostwanted> is scald really needed, i was thinking shadow ball or night shade > scald
  154. (Sat/12:39:33 PM) +BKC: shadow ball is great for starmie that tries to spin on it
  155. (Sat/12:39:36 PM) +BKC: also helps vs subdd gyara
  156. (Sat/12:39:49 PM) +BKC: so shadow / night shade > scald and wow > hp elec
  157. (Sat/12:40:41 PM) DestinyUnknown: without scald
  158. (Sat/12:40:48 PM) DestinyUnknown: he is a bit heatran weak though
  159. (Sat/12:40:58 PM) DestinyUnknown: as terrakion is a risky switch
  160. (Sat/12:41:00 PM) DestinyUnknown: due to lava plume
  161. (Sat/12:41:03 PM) supermarth64: you just gotta believe in yourself
  162. (Sat/12:41:05 PM) +BKC: scald doesnt do much to sdef tran anyways tho
  163. (Sat/12:41:06 PM) supermarth64: and keep on wowing
  164. (Sat/12:41:08 PM) supermarth64: it'll work eventually!
  165. (Sat/12:41:14 PM) DestinyUnknown: at least you can hit it
  166. (Sat/12:41:26 PM) DestinyUnknown: idk yo can just use night shade probably
  167. (Sat/12:41:45 PM) <@mostwanted> yeah
  168. (Sat/12:42:26 PM) <@mostwanted> for final changes; Calm Mind + Wish + Psychic + Thunderbolt Jirachi > Politoed
  169. (Sat/12:42:41 PM) <@mostwanted> Specially Defensive Perish Song Celebi > Roserade
  170. (Sat/12:42:43 PM) +BKC: yea
  171. (Sat/12:42:46 PM) DestinyUnknown: yes
  172. (Sat/12:42:49 PM) harsha: yea
  173. (Sat/12:42:56 PM) <@mostwanted> Night Shade > Scald and wow > hp electric
  174. (Sat/12:43:08 PM) DestinyUnknown: y
  175. (Sat/12:43:08 PM) <@mostwanted> Choice Scarf Terrakion > Latias
  176. (Sat/12:43:33 PM) <@mostwanted> alright, moving onto LizardMan's team
  177. (Sat/12:43:37 PM) <@mostwanted> http://pastebin.com/2wQCcaCy
  178. (Sat/12:43:47 PM) %LizardMan: I built it in like 5 minutes
  179. (Sat/12:43:54 PM) %LizardMan: So its weak to stuff like Haxorus/Nite
  180. (Sat/12:43:58 PM) harsha: lol
  181. (Sat/12:43:58 PM) +BKC: blaziken weak
  182. (Sat/12:43:59 PM) +BKC: :)
  183. (Sat/12:44:09 PM) %LizardMan: but I wanted to use Acrobat Tornadus | defensive Stamie | BU Loom core
  184. (Sat/12:44:10 PM) supermarth64: disclaimer: i didn't read the chat
  185. (Sat/12:44:13 PM) %LizardMan: on the same team
  186. (Sat/12:44:23 PM) supermarth64: but you have to keep in mind the central theme of a team
  187. (Sat/12:44:26 PM) supermarth64: and not to change too much of it
  188. (Sat/12:44:40 PM) supermarth64: changing 3 pokemon is pretty heavy
  189. (Sat/12:44:46 PM) %LizardMan: Yeah, I know
  190. (Sat/12:44:47 PM) %LizardMan: but
  191. (Sat/12:44:54 PM) %LizardMan: I didn't suggest that
  192. (Sat/12:44:56 PM) %LizardMan: xD
  193. (Sat/12:45:05 PM) DestinyUnknown: he means
  194. (Sat/12:45:08 PM) DestinyUnknown: magma's team
  195. (Sat/12:45:22 PM) * dragonuser (Mibbit@synIRC-404EEE98.dc.dc.cox.net) has joined #ratemyteam
  196. (Sat/12:45:25 PM) <@mostwanted> without those 3 pokemon, his team has zero hope
  197. * Retrieving #ratemyteam modes...
  198. (Sat/12:45:48 PM) <@mostwanted> so it can be an exception
  199. (Sat/12:47:11 PM) <@mostwanted> CB and Sub Terrakion give lizard's team problems
  200. (Sat/12:47:20 PM) %LizardMan: yeah
  201. (Sat/12:48:24 PM) TheCowDestroyer: Wouldn't it follow that Conk fits on his team?
  202. (Sat/12:48:31 PM) supermarth64: any reason for the starmie spread
  203. (Sat/12:48:39 PM) supermarth64: instead of just running 252/4/252
  204. (Sat/12:48:39 PM) DestinyUnknown: i think
  205. (Sat/12:48:41 PM) %LizardMan: Well, there is not much reason for max speed.
  206. (Sat/12:48:45 PM) DestinyUnknown: outspeeding tornadus
  207. (Sat/12:48:49 PM) DestinyUnknown: as max speed doesn't make sense
  208. (Sat/12:48:55 PM) DestinyUnknown: since it can't hit opposing starmie
  209. (Sat/12:48:56 PM) %LizardMan: I like the 24 defense to help me survive CB Stone Edge from Terrakion
  210. (Sat/12:49:14 PM) %LizardMan: The 8SpA is random, but it slightly increases my chances for the OHKO on Terrakion.
  211. (Sat/12:49:41 PM) %LizardMan: The 24 defensive is specifically so CB Terrakion's SE never OHKO's the Starmie
  212. (Sat/12:51:13 PM) supermarth64: just be careful about sr
  213. (Sat/12:51:18 PM) %LizardMan: ya
  214. (Sat/12:51:35 PM) %LizardMan: Although this isn't DPP where SR is always up though.
  215. (Sat/12:51:50 PM) %LizardMan: In BW, its safe to assume there will be times where SR isn't always up.
  216. (Sat/12:51:57 PM) +BKC: lizard
  217. (Sat/12:52:05 PM) <@mostwanted> how do you beat volcarona
  218. (Sat/12:52:07 PM) +BKC: why is jirachi on the team?
  219. (Sat/12:52:08 PM) %LizardMan: + the 24 defense helps a tiny bit with random crap
  220. (Sat/12:52:11 PM) %LizardMan: oh
  221. (Sat/12:52:12 PM) +BKC: looks like it kills a lot of momentum
  222. (Sat/12:52:15 PM) %LizardMan: I don't beat Volcarona
  223. (Sat/12:52:19 PM) %LizardMan: I forgot about it
  224. (Sat/12:52:26 PM) %LizardMan: Well
  225. (Sat/12:52:39 PM) %LizardMan: I wanted a flying resist, a steel, stealth rock, and something to take meteor
  226. (Sat/12:52:51 PM) %LizardMan: It does kill a lot of momentum
  227. (Sat/12:52:53 PM) %LizardMan: but
  228. (Sat/12:53:01 PM) %LizardMan: I also don't want Tornadus to randomly be auto win against me
  229. (Sat/12:53:10 PM) %LizardMan: Since I win too many games I shouldn't win as easily
  230. (Sat/12:53:19 PM) %LizardMan: Just because my opponent lacks a flying resist
  231. (Sat/12:53:20 PM) %LizardMan: >_<
  232. (Sat/12:53:45 PM) supermarth64: heatran?
  233. (Sat/12:53:46 PM) * TFC (~chatzilla@synIRC-19EBD467.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) has joined #ratemyteam
  234. (Sat/12:53:46 PM) * Porygon2 sets mode: +v TFC
  235. (Sat/12:53:50 PM) supermarth64: idk, just spitting ideas here
  236. (Sat/12:54:09 PM) DestinyUnknown: heatran makes him reuniclus weak though
  237. (Sat/12:54:15 PM) supermarth64: i haven't team rated in like a year
  238. (Sat/12:54:22 PM) <@mostwanted> (Sat/12:54:03 PM) Bartman101: What do you think people think of you have scantily-clad big boobed women as your avatars?
  239. (Sat/12:54:25 PM) <@mostwanted> smfh
  240. (Sat/12:54:28 PM) %LizardMan: Scarf Jirachi is another option
  241. (Sat/12:54:29 PM) %LizardMan: Since
  242. (Sat/12:54:36 PM) %LizardMan: It has U-Turn, can trick reuniclus
  243. (Sat/12:54:47 PM) %LizardMan: Can flinch a Reuniclus with Adamant Iron Heads.
  244. (Sat/12:54:54 PM) %LizardMan: Or something like Scarf Rotom-w i guess
  245. (Sat/12:54:56 PM) harsha: lmao
  246. (Sat/12:54:59 PM) +BKC: lol bartman
  247. (Sat/12:55:35 PM) harsha: this ws the best one
  248. (Sat/12:55:35 PM) harsha: http://www.smogon.com/forums/converse.php?u=97294&u2=75378
  249. (Sat/12:55:36 PM) <@mostwanted> lizard i would definitely do bullet punch > crunch on lucario
  250. (Sat/12:55:42 PM) %LizardMan: ok
  251. (Sat/12:55:50 PM) <@mostwanted> breloom takes care of jellicent
  252. (Sat/12:56:38 PM) +BKC: lol harsha
  253. (Sat/12:56:41 PM) +BKC: i've done that before
  254. (Sat/12:56:41 PM) Karpman: that sentence didnt even make sense lol
  255. (Sat/12:56:42 PM) Karpman: if you read it
  256. (Sat/12:56:46 PM) harsha: XD
  257. (Sat/12:56:56 PM) <@mostwanted> -_-
  258. (Sat/12:56:58 PM) +BKC: back when he had a dif. one
  259. (Sat/12:56:59 PM) DestinyUnknown: it does
  260. (Sat/12:57:01 PM) +BKC: this one sucks sorry mw
  261. (Sat/12:57:01 PM) DestinyUnknown: why not?
  262. (Sat/12:57:02 PM) * BR (~chatzilla@53402A2C.4A4A8D56.E28DFB80.IP) Quit (Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.88.2 [Firefox 12.0/20120420145725])
  263. (Sat/12:57:21 PM) <@mostwanted> bloo gave me a random one
  264. (Sat/12:57:31 PM) %LizardMan: mw
  265. (Sat/12:57:33 PM) harsha: lol
  266. (Sat/12:57:37 PM) %LizardMan: I still need a new avatar. -_-
  267. (Sat/12:57:41 PM) <@mostwanted> anyways, wouldn't cs hydregion support your team
  268. (Sat/12:57:45 PM) %LizardMan: but I can't think of a good anime woman
  269. (Sat/12:57:45 PM) <@mostwanted> better
  270. (Sat/12:57:50 PM) %LizardMan: probably
  271. (Sat/12:57:54 PM) <@mostwanted> i don't watch anime
  272. (Sat/12:58:05 PM) Karpman: ^
  273. (Sat/12:58:15 PM) DestinyUnknown: does that team really needs hydreigon?
  274. (Sat/12:58:22 PM) %LizardMan: i don't much either, but its cute
  275. (Sat/12:58:22 PM) DestinyUnknown: I mean over other pokemon
  276. (Sat/12:58:26 PM) %LizardMan: probably not, but
  277. (Sat/12:58:34 PM) %LizardMan: Volt switch dances all over me
  278. (Sat/12:58:39 PM) DestinyUnknown: yeah
  279. (Sat/12:58:41 PM) supermarth64: oh, this is a bit off topic
  280. (Sat/12:58:43 PM) <@mostwanted> what do you have in mind du
  281. (Sat/12:58:47 PM) supermarth64: but can someone tell me why donphan got popular
  282. (Sat/12:58:51 PM) DestinyUnknown: well I had in mind
  283. (Sat/12:58:59 PM) DestinyUnknown: that scarfing hydreigon
  284. (Sat/12:59:02 PM) +BKC: "it can spin and set up sr and check dragons"
  285. (Sat/12:59:08 PM) DestinyUnknown: kills its ability to destroy volturn
  286. (Sat/12:59:09 PM) DestinyUnknown: ?
  287. (Sat/12:59:10 PM) +BKC: i don't like donphan at all lol
  288. (Sat/12:59:18 PM) DestinyUnknown: i don't either
  289. (Sat/12:59:27 PM) DestinyUnknown: it's a bit overrated imo
  290. (Sat/12:59:34 PM) <@mostwanted> but it's his only hope against dd'ers
  291. (Sat/12:59:41 PM) <@mostwanted> like dragonite and haxorus
  292. (Sat/12:59:58 PM) DestinyUnknown: yeah
  293. (Sat/01:00:02 PM) DestinyUnknown: but then again
  294. (Sat/01:00:13 PM) DestinyUnknown: I think he could use a different scarfer
  295. (Sat/01:00:16 PM) DestinyUnknown: that fits the team better
  296. (Sat/01:00:22 PM) <@mostwanted> unless he wants a lo weavile
  297. (Sat/01:01:04 PM) <@mostwanted> latios / latias won't work, straight pursuit baits
  298. (Sat/01:01:18 PM) <@mostwanted> cs bulky jirachi could work
  299. (Sat/01:01:18 PM) DestinyUnknown: ya
  300. (Sat/01:02:01 PM) DestinyUnknown: what about SR?
  301. (Sat/01:02:20 PM) DestinyUnknown: do you mean keeping sr on jirachi even if it's carrying the scarf?
  302. (Sat/01:02:35 PM) <@mostwanted> that wouldn't be any good
  303. (Sat/01:03:17 PM) * San_Pellegrino (~chatzilla@synIRC-BF7EAFAB.dsl.emhril.sbcglobal.net) has joined #ratemyteam
  304. (Sat/01:03:49 PM) DestinyUnknown: well I thought about Scizor over Jirachi at first
  305. (Sat/01:03:57 PM) DestinyUnknown: since it can act as a DM sponge
  306. (Sat/01:04:07 PM) DestinyUnknown: and it can revenge DDers
  307. (Sat/01:04:14 PM) * Porygon2 sets mode: +h San_Pellegrino
  308. (Sat/01:04:18 PM) <@mostwanted> hmm
  309. (Sat/01:04:20 PM) DestinyUnknown: but the team lost SR too
  310. (Sat/01:04:23 PM) DestinyUnknown: so I wasn't sure
  311. (Sat/01:04:37 PM) +BKC: how about
  312. (Sat/01:04:39 PM) +BKC: sash mamoswine
  313. (Sat/01:04:43 PM) <@mostwanted> http://pastebin.com/2wQCcaCy ; we're working on that san_pallegrino
  314. (Sat/01:04:44 PM) +BKC: lays sr and checks dragons
  315. (Sat/01:04:48 PM) +BKC: :)
  316. (Sat/01:05:37 PM) <@mostwanted> makes the team more volt-turn / np celebi weak
  317. (Sat/01:05:45 PM) DestinyUnknown: yeah
  318. (Sat/01:05:46 PM) TheCowDestroyer: sorta unrelated: does anybody use metgross in ou? I don't think I've seen one in ages
  319. (Sat/01:05:53 PM) %San_Pellegrino: ok
  320. (Sat/01:06:07 PM) +BKC: metagross is cool
  321. (Sat/01:06:20 PM) +BKC: thing is mw
  322. (Sat/01:06:24 PM) +BKC: jira doesnt check volturn that well
  323. (Sat/01:06:27 PM) +BKC: i meant mamo over jira
  324. (Sat/01:06:48 PM) <@mostwanted> special dragons hit hard then
  325. (Sat/01:07:02 PM) * mostwanted sets mode: +h BKC
  326. (Sat/01:07:07 PM) %BKC: yeah but its offense
  327. (Sat/01:07:09 PM) +Nachos: mostwanted who's the girl in your avatar?
  328. (Sat/01:07:09 PM) %BKC: also thanks
  329. (Sat/01:07:14 PM) <@mostwanted> bloo deleting accesses smh
  330. (Sat/01:07:16 PM) %BKC: effing tab taking them
  331. (Sat/01:07:16 PM) <@mostwanted> np
  332. (Sat/01:07:33 PM) <@mostwanted> princess bri
  333. (Sat/01:07:41 PM) harsha: lol
  334. (Sat/01:07:46 PM) +Nachos: wow she's fit as fuck!!!
  335. (Sat/01:07:55 PM) supermarth64: fit ass fuck
  336. (Sat/01:07:55 PM) %BKC: too bad she has a dick
  337. (Sat/01:07:56 PM) TheCowDestroyer: !!!
  338. (Sat/01:08:04 PM) harsha: haha
  339. (Sat/01:08:17 PM) -ChanServ- BKC moved to #ratemyteam HOP list.
  340. (Sat/01:08:31 PM) TheCowDestroyer: oh uh
  341. (Sat/01:09:19 PM) TheCowDestroyer: do I have to like reserve a spot to have my team reviewed in the workshop
  342. (Sat/01:09:41 PM) %BKC: nah
  343. (Sat/01:09:54 PM) <@mostwanted> ask bkc, i'm about to leave for awhile
  344. (Sat/01:10:17 PM) supermarth64: latios/salamence/dragonite/latias/magnezone/scizor
  345. (Sat/01:10:17 PM) <@mostwanted> after lizard's team gets fixed
  346. (Sat/01:10:19 PM) supermarth64: rmt??
  347. (Sat/01:10:22 PM) supermarth64: :P
  348. (Sat/01:10:26 PM) Karpman: any1 want to rate my team
  349. (Sat/01:10:27 PM) <@mostwanted> pb it
  350. (Sat/01:10:30 PM) %LizardMan: well Scizor is okay
  351. (Sat/01:10:32 PM) %AB2: review my team it's shaymin / suicune / heatran / azelf / flygon / gengar
  352. (Sat/01:10:41 PM) %BKC: wow nice team ab
  353. (Sat/01:10:43 PM) %BKC: 5/5
  354. (Sat/01:10:45 PM) %LizardMan: but it can't switch into Rain Nite or Tornadus nearly as well
  355. (Sat/01:10:45 PM) supermarth64: lol AB2 that's such a DPP team
  356. (Sat/01:10:53 PM) harsha: it is his dpp team lol
  357. (Sat/01:10:53 PM) %BKC: thats the joke
  358. (Sat/01:11:01 PM) supermarth64: i miss shaymin
  359. (Sat/01:11:04 PM) bro_fist: "his team"
  360. (Sat/01:11:05 PM) supermarth64: such a cute pokemon
  361. (Sat/01:11:07 PM) bro_fist: more like everyones
  362. (Sat/01:11:22 PM) harsha: lol
  363. (Sat/01:11:43 PM) %AB2: and ya it is
  364. (Sat/01:11:48 PM) %AB2: it's geo182's masterpiece
  365. (Sat/01:11:53 PM) bro_fist: lol
  366. (Sat/01:12:05 PM) Karpman: http://pastebin.com/TkUFw9et
  367. (Sat/01:12:09 PM) Karpman: someone want to rate this
  368. (Sat/01:12:13 PM) Karpman: I want to keep skarm and tyranitar
  369. (Sat/01:12:17 PM) Karpman: idgaf about anything else on there
  370. (Sat/01:12:24 PM) %AB2: use timid not hardy on latias
  371. (Sat/01:12:28 PM) Karpman: lol
  372. (Sat/01:12:30 PM) %AB2: otherwise 5/5 team
  373. (Sat/01:12:41 PM) supermarth64: neutral natures or gtfo
  374. (Sat/01:12:50 PM) Karpman: I decided on hardy because my latias fears nothing :)
  375. (Sat/01:13:08 PM) Karpman: and thus a timid nature would be misinforming to my fellow wifi buddies
  376. (Sat/01:13:14 PM) bro_fist: lol
  377. (Sat/01:13:25 PM) %BKC: wait a sec guys
  378. (Sat/01:13:29 PM) %BKC: lets finish lizard's team
  379. (Sat/01:13:38 PM) %BKC: lizard what's it looking like right now
  380. (Sat/01:13:38 PM) %San_Pellegrino: karpman your team sucks
  381. (Sat/01:13:53 PM) Karpman: thx dude
  382. (Sat/01:14:01 PM) %San_Pellegrino: np man np
  383. (Sat/01:14:21 PM) %LizardMan: idk
  384. (Sat/01:14:24 PM) %San_Pellegrino: but seriously terrak and gliscor own it
  385. (Sat/01:14:28 PM) %BKC: hmm
  386. (Sat/01:14:31 PM) %LizardMan: He told me to use
  387. (Sat/01:14:34 PM) %LizardMan: BP on Lucario
  388. (Sat/01:14:40 PM) %BKC: thats good
  389. (Sat/01:14:42 PM) %LizardMan: Maybe Scarf Rachi or Hydreigon
  390. (Sat/01:14:46 PM) %BKC: how about
  391. (Sat/01:14:50 PM) Karpman: my team or lizards, san?
  392. (Sat/01:14:50 PM) %BKC: Sash Mamo
  393. (Sat/01:14:52 PM) %BKC: over jirachi
  394. (Sat/01:15:00 PM) Karpman: im p sure I can beat terrak and glis lol
  395. (Sat/01:15:01 PM) %San_Pellegrino: your's karp
  396. (Sat/01:15:06 PM) %San_Pellegrino: i don't see it
  397. (Sat/01:15:07 PM) %LizardMan: sash mamo might be cool
  398. (Sat/01:15:10 PM) %BKC: no discussing karp's team atm
  399. (Sat/01:15:14 PM) Karpman: k
  400. (Sat/01:15:16 PM) %BKC: lizard pastebin
  401. (Sat/01:15:18 PM) %BKC: your team
  402. (Sat/01:15:20 PM) %BKC: again
  403. (Sat/01:15:36 PM) DestinyUnknown: http://pastebin.com/2wQCcaCy
  404. (Sat/01:15:46 PM) DestinyUnknown: thats lizardman team
  405. (Sat/01:15:51 PM) * bro_fist (Mibbit@278D35A5.D95F59E.D5BA915D.IP) Quit (Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client)
  406. (Sat/01:16:02 PM) %BKC: ok, definitely bp > crunch
  407. (Sat/01:16:05 PM) %LizardMan: (its bad)
  408. (Sat/01:16:10 PM) %BKC: since breloom shits on jellicent
  409. (Sat/01:16:10 PM) %LizardMan: so you guys need to make it good
  410. (Sat/01:16:14 PM) %BKC: and bp is great for terrak/gar
  411. (Sat/01:16:23 PM) %LizardMan: I agree with that
  412. (Sat/01:16:29 PM) %LizardMan: Since I have Jirachi for Reuniclus too
  413. (Sat/01:16:35 PM) %BKC: i think that sash mamo > jirachi here
  414. (Sat/01:16:43 PM) %BKC: it fits so well
  415. (Sat/01:16:50 PM) %LizardMan: ok
  416. (Sat/01:16:53 PM) %BKC: checks dragons, sets up sr, you have a spinner to keep sash intact
  417. (Sat/01:16:58 PM) %BKC: and endeavor is fantastic
  418. (Sat/01:17:01 PM) %LizardMan: ya
  419. (Sat/01:17:08 PM) DestinyUnknown: he has like an instant lose to lo latios in that case though
  420. (Sat/01:17:17 PM) TheCowDestroyer: Also: may have asked this before, but does #ratemyteam do UU?
  421. (Sat/01:17:21 PM) supermarth64: the initial reaction from mostwanted is weakness to terrakion
  422. (Sat/01:17:27 PM) supermarth64: for LizardMan's team
  423. (Sat/01:17:46 PM) %BKC: terra can't come in too easily though
  424. (Sat/01:18:03 PM) %BKC: yes, cowdestroyer, but we're working on a team atm and we've got another one lined up after
  425. (Sat/01:18:06 PM) %BKC: so yours can come next
  426. (Sat/01:18:15 PM) %BKC: do we have any uu experts here
  427. (Sat/01:18:17 PM) * yee (Mibbit@synIRC-16B5B247.lsanca.fios.verizon.net) has joined #ratemyteam
  428. (Sat/01:18:19 PM) DestinyUnknown: I
  429. (Sat/01:18:20 PM) %BKC: haunter does uu iirc
  430. (Sat/01:18:28 PM) %BKC: ok cool
  431. (Sat/01:18:29 PM) %BKC: anyways
  432. (Sat/01:18:31 PM) harsha: i play uu
  433. (Sat/01:18:41 PM) %BKC: yeah ok good
  434. (Sat/01:18:47 PM) %BKC: so yeah terra is hard to switch in on
  435. (Sat/01:18:50 PM) %BKC: but it's an offense team
  436. (Sat/01:18:52 PM) TheCowDestroyer: Oh, no, I wasn't expecting to be serviced right now
  437. (Sat/01:18:57 PM) %BKC: and terra can't really come in easily
  438. (Sat/01:19:09 PM) DestinyUnknown: and bullet punch in lucario
  439. (Sat/01:19:09 PM) * Noodlez (Mibbit@synIRC-1D695C90.war.clearwire-wmx.net) has joined #ratemyteam
  440. (Sat/01:19:09 PM) * Porygon2 sets mode: +h Noodlez
  441. (Sat/01:19:14 PM) DestinyUnknown: can act as a back up check
  442. (Sat/01:19:16 PM) DestinyUnknown: too
  443. (Sat/01:19:22 PM) DestinyUnknown: and starmie/tornadus outspeed
  444. (Sat/01:19:29 PM) %BKC: yeah
  445. (Sat/01:19:38 PM) DestinyUnknown: I still don't see Hydreigon on the team though
  446. (Sat/01:19:47 PM) %BKC: i think you're as well covered against terra as an offensive team can be
  447. (Sat/01:19:49 PM) DestinyUnknown: without jirachi he has no switch in for some special threats
  448. (Sat/01:19:54 PM) %BKC: terra is threatening to every team lol
  449. (Sat/01:19:59 PM) %BKC: well thats true
  450. (Sat/01:20:08 PM) %BKC: how about ditching hydreigon for mamo instead of jirachi?
  451. (Sat/01:20:15 PM) DestinyUnknown: well
  452. (Sat/01:20:22 PM) %BKC: that way he can run u-turn > sr on jira, so he can get away from magnezone
  453. (Sat/01:20:26 PM) DestinyUnknown: it looks decent
  454. (Sat/01:20:30 PM) %BKC: so it'd be
  455. (Sat/01:20:39 PM) %BKC: Lucario | Tornadus | Starmie | Breloom | Jirachi | Mamoswine
  456. (Sat/01:20:42 PM) %BKC: looks solid to me
  457. (Sat/01:20:47 PM) DestinyUnknown: yeah
  458. (Sat/01:20:52 PM) %BKC: thoughts?
  459. (Sat/01:21:10 PM) %LizardMan: that looks a bit better
  460. (Sat/01:21:22 PM) DestinyUnknown: a bit gyarados weak
  461. (Sat/01:21:29 PM) +Nachos: what set is rachi
  462. (Sat/01:21:32 PM) DestinyUnknown: spdef
  463. (Sat/01:21:33 PM) %BKC: sdef
  464. (Sat/01:21:39 PM) +Nachos: ok
  465. (Sat/01:21:41 PM) %BKC: you can make it wishcm
  466. (Sat/01:21:44 PM) %BKC: if youre worried about gyara
  467. (Sat/01:22:09 PM) DestinyUnknown: that can also beat reuniclus, magnezone (sometimes) and etc
  468. (Sat/01:22:11 PM) +Nachos: luke is sd cc espeed crunch im guessing
  469. (Sat/01:22:13 PM) %LizardMan: Are you sure Lucario is the correct pokemon in that slot?
  470. (Sat/01:22:14 PM) Karpman: is mamo scarfed?
  471. (Sat/01:22:14 PM) DestinyUnknown: so it's probably better imo
  472. (Sat/01:22:21 PM) %LizardMan: I just picked it out of laziness
  473. (Sat/01:22:22 PM) DestinyUnknown: no
  474. (Sat/01:22:25 PM) DestinyUnknown: sash with SR
  475. (Sat/01:22:27 PM) %LizardMan: Since it was four in the morning
  476. (Sat/01:22:27 PM) Karpman: what beats volc then?
  477. (Sat/01:22:30 PM) +Nachos: if so how does the team deal with +1 volcarona
  478. (Sat/01:22:35 PM) +Nachos: ugh ninjad
  479. (Sat/01:22:44 PM) DestinyUnknown: true
  480. (Sat/01:22:48 PM) %LizardMan: maybe
  481. (Sat/01:22:52 PM) %LizardMan: Terrak > Lucario
  482. (Sat/01:22:55 PM) DestinyUnknown: yeah
  483. (Sat/01:22:57 PM) %BKC: that could work
  484. (Sat/01:22:58 PM) Karpman: I was thinking that
  485. (Sat/01:23:02 PM) DestinyUnknown: tI was about to say that
  486. (Sat/01:23:03 PM) DestinyUnknown: too
  487. (Sat/01:23:16 PM) %BKC: also nachos, luke was bp > crunch
  488. (Sat/01:23:22 PM) %BKC: but yeah its probably gonna become a terrakion
  489. (Sat/01:23:50 PM) +Nachos: terrakion is a good choice
  490. (Sat/01:23:54 PM) +Nachos: lando as well
  491. (Sat/01:24:00 PM) +Nachos: sun teams could be annoying
  492. (Sat/01:24:06 PM) %BKC: scarf terra
  493. (Sat/01:24:08 PM) DestinyUnknown: but what terrakion set
  494. (Sat/01:24:12 PM) %BKC: checks volc, checks sun
  495. (Sat/01:24:13 PM) +Nachos: scarf for sure
  496. (Sat/01:24:19 PM) DestinyUnknown: alright
  497. (Sat/01:24:21 PM) Karpman: I think if you run scarf terra then use cm rachi
  498. (Sat/01:24:27 PM) Karpman: to weaken blissey for tornadus to break through
  499. (Sat/01:24:30 PM) Karpman: and other special walls
  500. (Sat/01:24:34 PM) %LizardMan: what about scarf rachi?
  501. (Sat/01:24:37 PM) DestinyUnknown: tornadus is BU
  502. (Sat/01:24:41 PM) Karpman: o
  503. (Sat/01:24:44 PM) +Nachos: idk
  504. (Sat/01:24:45 PM) %LizardMan: or scarf rotom-w?
  505. (Sat/01:24:45 PM) %LizardMan: xD
  506. (Sat/01:24:47 PM) +Nachos: its his only steel
  507. (Sat/01:24:50 PM) %LizardMan: Scarf Terra is fine
  508. (Sat/01:24:56 PM) %LizardMan: but I am curious about my other options
  509. (Sat/01:24:59 PM) +Nachos: it kinda needs to eb bulky to take strong dragon moves
  510. (Sat/01:25:07 PM) DestinyUnknown: yeah
  511. (Sat/01:25:08 PM) +Nachos: be*
  512. (Sat/01:25:23 PM) %BKC: stick with wishcm i think
  513. (Sat/01:25:35 PM) %BKC: alright lizard the team is looking like
  514. (Sat/01:26:15 PM) %BKC: Sash SR Mamo | WishCM Jirachi | Bulk Up Tornadus | Spin Starmie | Bulk Up Breloom | Scarf Terrakion
  515. (Sat/01:26:55 PM) DestinyUnknown: yes
  516. (Sat/01:27:01 PM) DestinyUnknown: I think it's alright now
  517. (Sat/01:27:01 PM) +Nachos: what moves does rachi have>
  518. (Sat/01:27:06 PM) +Nachos: tbolt psy?
  519. (Sat/01:27:11 PM) DestinyUnknown: y
  520. (Sat/01:27:31 PM) +Nachos: does starmie have tbolt
  521. (Sat/01:26:31 PM) +Nachos: or is it scald/psy/spin/recov
  522. (Sat/01:26:43 PM) %LizardMan: it has psyshock
  523. (Sat/01:26:45 PM) * ~Haunter (~Haunter@Choice.Scarf) Quit (Quit: Goodbye!)
  524. (Sat/01:26:48 PM) +Nachos: ok
  525. (Sat/01:26:54 PM) +Nachos: so only rachi has an elec move
  526. (Sat/01:26:55 PM) %BKC: alright lizard
  527. (Sat/01:27:01 PM) %BKC: can we move on to the next team?
  528. (Sat/01:27:01 PM) +Nachos: skarms gonna be lame
  529. (Sat/01:27:14 PM) +Nachos: come in on anything and just spam ww until starmie comes out
  530. (Sat/01:27:32 PM) +Nachos: or rachi but unboosted tbolt isnt koing
  531. (Sat/01:28:27 PM) +Nachos: i suppose you could use thunder on rachi over tbolt
  532. (Sat/01:29:26 PM) %BKC: tornad lures it in and beats it one-on-one
  533. (Sat/01:29:29 PM) +gec: you have blissey problems
  534. (Sat/01:29:41 PM) %BKC: anyways lizard
  535. (Sat/01:29:49 PM) +Nachos: how
  536. (Sat/01:29:50 PM) %BKC: can we move on to the next team
  537. (Sat/01:29:56 PM) %LizardMan: sure
  538. (Sat/01:29:59 PM) %BKC: alright
  539. (Sat/01:30:01 PM) %BKC: karpman
  540. (Sat/01:30:04 PM) %BKC: team
  541. (Sat/01:30:05 PM) %LizardMan: If you covered everything and am not weak to any threats :P
  542. (Sat/01:30:16 PM) Karpman: http://pastebin.com/i8RRkbSz
  543. (Sat/01:30:36 PM) Karpman: the goal is to get an alakazam sweep [and trap blissey via ttar] and hurt its other counters w/ spikes
  544. (Sat/01:30:44 PM) Karpman: but I'm having trouble checking some threats
  545. (Sat/01:30:54 PM) %BKC: charge beam zam, interesting
  546. (Sat/01:30:59 PM) %BKC: is lo really worth losing sash?
  547. (Sat/01:31:00 PM) Karpman: Its nelson-x's set
  548. (Sat/01:31:11 PM) Karpman: I like having the extra power
  549. (Sat/01:31:18 PM) Karpman: as it can stack up with the hazards
  550. (Sat/01:31:34 PM) %BKC: alright then
  551. (Sat/01:31:49 PM) Karpman: my team actually looks a lot like his lol but I only noticed that after I built it
  552. (Sat/01:32:01 PM) %BKC: what threats are you having trouble with
  553. (Sat/01:32:16 PM) Karpman: offensive rain mainly
  554. (Sat/01:32:23 PM) Karpman: the last spot is a tossup really
  555. (Sat/01:32:36 PM) Karpman: if I change tangrowth to like a jellicent/gastrodon, I'm weak to terrak
  556. (Sat/01:32:58 PM) %BKC: scarf rotom-w could help against rain but then you cant switch into terra
  557. (Sat/01:33:08 PM) %BKC: maybe you could run cm reuniclus over latias
  558. (Sat/01:33:30 PM) %BKC: unless i'm forgetting something crucial that latias does, their roles are really similar [bulky psychic cm'er] but reun checks terra well
  559. (Sat/01:34:05 PM) Karpman: latias is an all purpose weather counter and abuses hazards
  560. (Sat/01:34:06 PM) DestinyUnknown: latias has a water/fire resistance
  561. (Sat/01:34:08 PM) Karpman: yeah
  562. (Sat/01:34:11 PM) DestinyUnknown: and it checks celebi
  563. (Sat/01:34:12 PM) DestinyUnknown: too
  564. (Sat/01:35:00 PM) Karpman: latias is pretty valuable
  565. (Sat/01:35:19 PM) Karpman: I feel like alakazam is more replaceable for another stallbreaker [maybe acroscor since it goes good with cb tar]
  566. (Sat/01:35:24 PM) Karpman: but it is p awesome to use
  567. (Sat/01:35:37 PM) DestinyUnknown: I don't think you're that weak to terrakion
  568. (Sat/01:35:41 PM) +Nachos: you need alakazam for the speed
  569. (Sat/01:35:45 PM) DestinyUnknown: as it can't switch on anything
  570. (Sat/01:36:00 PM) Karpman: well not with tangrowth im not
  571. (Sat/01:36:01 PM) DestinyUnknown: and latias/jirachi/alakazam
  572. (Sat/01:36:04 PM) DestinyUnknown: can revenge
  573. (Sat/01:36:08 PM) DestinyUnknown: I mean without tangrowth
  574. (Sat/01:36:08 PM) Karpman: I took out jirachi
  575. (Sat/01:36:09 PM) Karpman: lol
  576. (Sat/01:36:11 PM) Karpman: o
  577. (Sat/01:36:36 PM) Karpman: I mean I can play around it I suppose
  578. (Sat/01:36:40 PM) Karpman: jirachi didnt do too much anyways
  579. (Sat/01:37:15 PM) DestinyUnknown: oh
  580. (Sat/01:37:25 PM) DestinyUnknown: i was looking at the previous paste
  581. (Sat/01:38:50 PM) %BKC: karpman
  582. (Sat/01:38:56 PM) %BKC: how about using scarf tar over cb tar
  583. (Sat/01:39:02 PM) Karpman: well I was thinking that
  584. (Sat/01:39:04 PM) %BKC: it helps vs some rain offense threats like tornadus and starmie
  585. (Sat/01:39:04 PM) TheCowDestroyer: highlight me when it's my turn
  586. (Sat/01:39:13 PM) Karpman: scarftar+reuniclus is a combo I used a lot that molests stall
  587. (Sat/01:39:25 PM) %BKC: yeah
  588. (Sat/01:39:34 PM) Karpman: but the thing is I want this team to be a bit more offensive and if I do that then its exactly like I team I used once
  589. (Sat/01:39:34 PM) %BKC: and scarftar can actually check terra, altho it obv cant switch in
  590. (Sat/01:39:38 PM) Karpman: yeah
  591. (Sat/01:39:55 PM) Karpman: reuni beats it straight up and I can then use tangrowth as something else to counter rain with
  592. (Sat/01:42:07 PM) %BKC: perhaps celebi
  593. (Sat/01:42:26 PM) Karpman: hmm
  594. (Sat/01:42:40 PM) Karpman: Scarftar/Heatran/Celebi/Latias/Heatran/Alakazam
  595. (Sat/01:42:50 PM) Karpman: although rounding up blissey might be a bit harder
  596. (Sat/01:43:13 PM) Karpman: I could also maybe have subcharge hydreigon over alakazam
  597. (Sat/01:43:15 PM) %BKC: two heatrans
  598. (Sat/01:43:19 PM) %BKC: isnt one supposed to be a skarm
  599. (Sat/01:43:23 PM) Karpman: also then my whole team i pursuit bait
  600. (Sat/01:43:25 PM) Karpman: yeah I meant skarm wtf lol
  601. (Sat/01:43:30 PM) Karpman: not two heatrans ~_~
  602. (Sat/01:43:39 PM) TheCowDestroyer: side note: tangrowth's stats really frustrate me. if he had been given 100 SpD instead of 100 attack he could've been the ultimate status spreader
  603. (Sat/01:43:48 PM) Karpman: I could do shaymin over bi
  604. (Sat/01:43:57 PM) Karpman: or gastrodon
  605. (Sat/01:43:59 PM) %BKC: or roserade
  606. (Sat/01:44:04 PM) %BKC: tspikes help weaken bliss
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  608. (Sat/01:44:10 PM) Karpman: ah yeah
  609. (Sat/01:44:12 PM) Karpman: but the thing is
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  611. (Sat/01:44:16 PM) Karpman: roserade isnt bulky at all
  612. (Sat/01:44:21 PM) Karpman: It's one of my favorites design wise
  613. (Sat/01:44:28 PM) Karpman: but its so frail
  614. (Sat/01:44:29 PM) %BKC: on the special side its bulky as hell
  615. (Sat/01:44:33 PM) Karpman: eh
  616. (Sat/01:44:43 PM) %BKC: but its really frail physically yeah
  617. (Sat/01:45:01 PM) Karpman: base 60/105 isnt the greatest
  618. (Sat/01:45:06 PM) TheCowDestroyer: ^
  619. (Sat/01:45:10 PM) DestinyUnknown: the HP kinda hurts it
  620. (Sat/01:45:14 PM) DestinyUnknown: as a special tank
  621. (Sat/01:45:19 PM) Karpman: 100/100 or 111/99 or w/e gastro is
  622. (Sat/01:45:22 PM) Karpman: is much better
  623. (Sat/01:45:43 PM) TheCowDestroyer: 111/82 I think
  624. (Sat/01:45:52 PM) TheCowDestroyer: but I'd have to check
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  627. (Sat/01:46:49 PM) DestinyUnknown: 111/83/68/92/82/39
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  629. (Sat/01:47:00 PM) TheCowDestroyer: HAH I WAS RIGHT
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  631. (Sat/01:47:37 PM) * mortisha is now known as Blue_Eon
  632. (Sat/01:49:12 PM) Blue_Eon: could you rate my team ? http://pastebin.com/fx4L3Cp6
  633. (Sat/01:50:00 PM) %BKC: actually
  634. (Sat/01:50:03 PM) %BKC: we're rating a team right now
  635. (Sat/01:50:05 PM) %BKC: after
  636. (Sat/01:50:08 PM) %San_Pellegrino: 9.6/10 imo
  637. (Sat/01:50:09 PM) %BKC: we'll rate yours
  638. (Sat/01:50:19 PM) %San_Pellegrino: presentation and style could be a tad bit sharper
  639. (Sat/01:50:20 PM) Blue_Eon: thx
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  641. (Sat/01:50:41 PM) Karpman: man I've been switching things around so much but I cant seem to get it right lol
  642. (Sat/01:50:42 PM) harsha: lol san
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  644. (Sat/01:50:49 PM) DestinyUnknown: ok so what are we gonna change on karpman's
  645. (Sat/01:50:50 PM) DestinyUnknown: ?
  646. (Sat/01:50:54 PM) %BKC: karp
  647. (Sat/01:50:56 PM) %BKC: how about
  648. (Sat/01:51:09 PM) %BKC: scarftar/tran/skarm/reun/alakazam/tangrowth
  649. (Sat/01:51:15 PM) %BKC: hmmmm you definitely need a better water resist
  650. (Sat/01:51:16 PM) %San_Pellegrino: blue-eon just make latios LO with recover over surf
  651. (Sat/01:51:19 PM) DestinyUnknown: yeah
  652. (Sat/01:51:19 PM) Karpman: oh hmm
  653. (Sat/01:51:21 PM) Karpman: maybe
  654. (Sat/01:51:29 PM) Karpman: reun/hydreigon
  655. (Sat/01:51:32 PM) Karpman: or reun/latias
  656. (Sat/01:51:33 PM) %San_Pellegrino: impish nature on skarm also blue
  657. (Sat/01:51:36 PM) %BKC: so i am a supporter of
  658. (Sat/01:51:44 PM) %BKC: celebi or roserade > tang
  659. (Sat/01:51:48 PM) Blue_Eon: LO `Sand?
  660. (Sat/01:51:52 PM) Karpman: I dont think heatran is all that needed now that I think about it
  661. (Sat/01:51:55 PM) %San_Pellegrino: yes
  662. (Sat/01:51:55 PM) * smith_afk is now known as smith_
  663. (Sat/01:51:57 PM) %San_Pellegrino: lo sand
  664. (Sat/01:52:01 PM) %smith_: okay rmt workshop or something?
  665. (Sat/01:52:02 PM) %smith_: whats the team
  666. (Sat/01:52:05 PM) %San_Pellegrino: latios is not meant to stay in long anyway
  667. (Sat/01:52:05 PM) Karpman: actually hmm yeah it might be
  668. (Sat/01:52:06 PM) Karpman: mine
  669. (Sat/01:52:07 PM) Karpman: lol
  670. (Sat/01:52:10 PM) harsha: blue use sturdy btw
  671. (Sat/01:52:11 PM) harsha: lol
  672. (Sat/01:52:12 PM) %BKC: it is, karp
  673. (Sat/01:52:15 PM) DestinyUnknown: http://pastebin.com/i8RRkbSz
  674. (Sat/01:52:30 PM) %smith_: thanks
  675. (Sat/01:52:41 PM) Blue_Eon: other changes?
  676. (Sat/01:52:57 PM) %BKC: i think that the lineup i just mentioned is good karp
  677. (Sat/01:52:58 PM) %smith_: what have we done thus far
  678. (Sat/01:53:01 PM) %BKC: its def. worth testing
  679. (Sat/01:53:08 PM) DestinyUnknown: yeah
  680. (Sat/01:53:16 PM) Karpman: Idk Im a bit iffy on them but they could work
  681. (Sat/01:53:18 PM) %BKC: scarf tar | tran | skarm | roserade | reuniclus | alakazam
  682. (Sat/01:53:19 PM) %smith_: the problem is that if you change tangrowth you're pretty terrak weak
  683. (Sat/01:53:25 PM) Karpman: yea
  684. (Sat/01:53:27 PM) %San_Pellegrino: blue-oen i don't see the need for magnezone
  685. (Sat/01:53:28 PM) %BKC: cm reuniclus is good
  686. (Sat/01:53:33 PM) %smith_: reuniclus + alakazam are you serious bk
  687. (Sat/01:53:33 PM) %smith_: c
  688. (Sat/01:53:36 PM) DestinyUnknown: wait
  689. (Sat/01:53:45 PM) DestinyUnknown: we can rate blue eon's team later
  690. (Sat/01:53:47 PM) %San_Pellegrino: or skarm for that matter
  691. (Sat/01:53:54 PM) DestinyUnknown: first we should end rating karpman's
  692. (Sat/01:53:56 PM) %San_Pellegrino: we can split up and rate
  693. (Sat/01:54:06 PM) Karpman: eh you guys can take his
  694. (Sat/01:54:06 PM) %San_Pellegrino: so the movement is faster
  695. (Sat/01:54:13 PM) %BKC: karp
  696. (Sat/01:54:19 PM) Karpman: I'll fix it up myself and take your suggestions
  697. (Sat/01:54:23 PM) %BKC: test that and let us know how it does
  698. (Sat/01:54:24 PM) DestinyUnknown: cm reuniclus is a good terrakion check
  699. (Sat/01:54:25 PM) DestinyUnknown: anyway
  700. (Sat/01:54:26 PM) %San_Pellegrino: .join rmt2 for bliueoen's team
  701. (Sat/01:54:30 PM) Karpman: yeah ik
  702. (Sat/01:54:35 PM) Blue_Eon: bluie?
  703. (Sat/01:54:39 PM) DestinyUnknown: also what spread on roserade?
  704. (Sat/01:54:55 PM) DestinyUnknown: I think you could use that one of Funkasaurus/BKC team
  705. (Sat/01:55:01 PM) DestinyUnknown: since it can take on volturn teams
  706. (Sat/01:55:12 PM) Karpman: it can?
  707. (Sat/01:55:18 PM) %smith_: any good team should
  708. (Sat/01:55:20 PM) Karpman: maybe cores but not teams
  709. (Sat/01:55:21 PM) Karpman: lol
  710. (Sat/01:55:33 PM) %BKC: yeah one sec kar
  711. (Sat/01:55:46 PM) %BKC: 240 HP / 132 Def / 20 SAtk / 116 SDef
  712. (Sat/01:55:47 PM) %BKC: modest
  713. (Sat/01:55:51 PM) %BKC: thats what you want on rossy
  714. (Sat/01:56:15 PM) Karpman: what moves?
  715. (Sat/01:56:16 PM) * harsha (Mibbit@synIRC-20B7F197.lightspeed.hstntx.sbcglobal.net) Quit (Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client)
  716. (Sat/01:56:33 PM) %BKC: ts / giga drain / hp fire / rest
  717. (Sat/01:56:39 PM) %BKC: if you dont feel like using ts use sleep
  718. (Sat/01:56:39 PM) Karpman: oh hmm what about rose and cb slowbro over alakazam
  719. (Sat/01:56:48 PM) Karpman: nah I love hazards lol
  720. (Sat/01:56:50 PM) %BKC: cb slowbro
  721. (Sat/01:56:50 PM) DestinyUnknown: cb slowbro?
  722. (Sat/01:56:54 PM) %BKC: i've seen it all
  723. (Sat/01:56:54 PM) Karpman: cm
  724. (Sat/01:56:55 PM) Karpman: not cb
  725. (Sat/01:57:02 PM) Karpman: rofl
  726. (Sat/01:57:05 PM) DestinyUnknown: oh
  727. (Sat/01:57:06 PM) DestinyUnknown: lol
  728. (Sat/01:57:13 PM) %BKC: karpman change your ct
  729. (Sat/01:57:19 PM) Karpman: cb slowbro da bes stallbreaker
  730. (Sat/01:57:22 PM) Karpman: why
  731. (Sat/01:57:24 PM) Karpman: I like it
  732. (Sat/01:57:27 PM) %BKC: "is a huge fan of Choice Band Slowbro"
  733. (Sat/01:57:30 PM) Karpman: lol
  734. (Sat/01:57:31 PM) Karpman: k
  735. (Sat/01:57:35 PM) DestinyUnknown: I support
  736. (Sat/01:57:44 PM) supermarth64: choice band slowbro with mega punch
  737. (Sat/01:57:55 PM) DestinyUnknown: focus punch slowbro
  738. (Sat/01:57:59 PM) %BKC: lol what phys moves does slowbro get
  739. (Sat/01:57:59 PM) * Rockstar- (Mibbit@synIRC-53CADDCE.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) Quit (Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client)
  740. (Sat/01:58:01 PM) %BKC: bite?
  741. (Sat/01:58:15 PM) supermarth64: brick break
  742. (Sat/01:58:23 PM) supermarth64: earthquake
  743. (Sat/01:58:31 PM) DestinyUnknown: I think it has a decent physical movepool
  744. (Sat/01:58:33 PM) DestinyUnknown: actually
  745. (Sat/01:58:41 PM) supermarth64: zen headbutt
  746. (Sat/01:58:47 PM) DestinyUnknown: ice punch, aqua tail, focus punch, zen headbutt
  747. (Sat/01:58:47 PM) supermarth64: everything else is meh
  748. (Sat/01:59:01 PM) DestinyUnknown: subpunch slowbro y/n
  749. (Sat/01:59:12 PM) supermarth64: o
  750. (Sat/01:59:16 PM) supermarth64: smogon movepool lied to me
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  752. (Sat/01:59:29 PM) * Porygon2 sets mode: +ao blue blue
  753. (Sat/01:59:59 PM) DestinyUnknown: well
  754. (Sat/02:00:30 PM) DestinyUnknown: can we end rating karpman's team and move forward?
  755. (Sat/02:00:50 PM) TheCowDestroyer: :o
  756. (Sat/02:01:23 PM) %BKC: yeah kar
  757. (Sat/02:01:26 PM) %BKC: whats the final result
  758. (Sat/02:01:57 PM) Karpman: I guess rose
  759. (Sat/02:01:57 PM) Karpman: lol
  760. (Sat/02:02:13 PM) %BKC: maybe gengar > reuni over zam bc blocking
  761. (Sat/02:02:16 PM) %BKC: idk just a random thought
  762. (Sat/02:02:45 PM) DestinyUnknown: I don't like Gengar as a spinblocker tbh
  763. (Sat/02:02:46 PM) Karpman: hmm how good a stallbreak
  764. (Sat/02:02:49 PM) Karpman: is subcm rachi
  765. (Sat/02:02:52 PM) Karpman: standard se
  766. (Sat/02:02:53 PM) Karpman: t
  767. (Sat/02:02:54 PM) DestinyUnknown: it loses to starmie and tentacruel
  768. (Sat/02:02:57 PM) %BKC: i think wishcm is better tbh
  769. (Sat/02:03:00 PM) * HSA (Mibbit@synIRC-B4558BE6.dllstx.fios.verizon.net) Quit (Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client)
  770. (Sat/02:03:09 PM) DestinyUnknown: over what?
  771. (Sat/02:03:10 PM) DestinyUnknown: zam?
  772. (Sat/02:03:14 PM) Karpman: Yeah
  773. (Sat/02:03:29 PM) DestinyUnknown: looks decent
  774. (Sat/02:03:32 PM) Karpman: maybe not over zam
  775. (Sat/02:03:36 PM) DestinyUnknown: and it works with tspikes
  776. (Sat/02:03:39 PM) DestinyUnknown: too
  777. (Sat/02:03:41 PM) Karpman: oh yeah
  778. (Sat/02:03:41 PM) Karpman: hmm
  779. (Sat/02:07:32 PM) TheCowDestroyer: Is it, er, my turn? Sorry if I'm too importuning
  780. (Sat/02:07:44 PM) %BKC: i think so
  781. (Sat/02:07:47 PM) %BKC: is it ok kar?
  782. (Sat/02:08:27 PM) Karpman: haven't tested it
  783. (Sat/02:08:28 PM) DestinyUnknown: karpman
  784. (Sat/02:08:38 PM) TheCowDestroyer: http://pastebin.com/LwBdfi5R
  785. (Sat/02:08:42 PM) Karpman: man there are literally 100s of things I could do with this team, which is why it's killing me trying to perfect it lol
  786. (Sat/02:08:50 PM) * %San_Pellegrino (SP@How.Deep.Is.Your.Love) Quit (Quit: hmpfh)
  787. (Sat/02:08:54 PM) Karpman: im going to run a more defensive rade probably
  788. (Sat/02:09:01 PM) %BKC: i dont think you can get a "best" version
  789. (Sat/02:09:19 PM) DestinyUnknown: uh
  790. (Sat/02:09:22 PM) %BKC: i know several good battlers often have like three variations of one team
  791. (Sat/02:09:23 PM) DestinyUnknown: thecowdestroyer
  792. (Sat/02:09:29 PM) DestinyUnknown: that team is really odd
  793. (Sat/02:09:29 PM) %BKC: and change it based on what they feel like using atm
  794. (Sat/02:09:41 PM) DestinyUnknown: can you explain a bit how you use it
  795. (Sat/02:09:43 PM) Karpman: yeah I'm aware people do that lol
  796. (Sat/02:09:48 PM) DestinyUnknown: and why did you pick those pokemon
  797. (Sat/02:09:55 PM) %BKC: you can do that with this team
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  799. (Sat/02:14:31 PM) <@mostwanted> bkc did an excellent job in this workshop, lazy ab2 didn't do shit
  800. (Sat/02:14:47 PM) %smith_: to be fair i wasn't here for any of it
  801. (Sat/02:14:55 PM) %smith_: but the part i WAS here for i still didnt do shit
  802. (Sat/02:15:05 PM) %smith_: im willing to do shit now though!
  803. (Sat/02:15:06 PM) harsha: lol
  804. (Sat/02:15:10 PM) %BKC: synopsis: smith sucks.
  805. (Sat/02:15:18 PM) %smith_: hey #ratemyteam
  806. (Sat/02:15:22 PM) Karpman: eh this team isnt working
  807. (Sat/02:15:28 PM) Karpman: im going to have to go back to the drawing board lol
  808. (Sat/02:15:28 PM) <@mostwanted> no worries, how many teams did you guys rated after lizardman's
  809. (Sat/02:15:29 PM) %smith_: want to know bkc's nickname from his ex-girlfirned?
  810. (Sat/02:15:32 PM) Karpman: what
  811. (Sat/02:15:38 PM) DestinyUnknown: 1
  812. (Sat/02:15:49 PM) %BKC: we're still working on that one
  813. (Sat/02:15:52 PM) <@mostwanted> karpman's
  814. (Sat/02:15:53 PM) <@mostwanted> ?
  815. (Sat/02:15:57 PM) Karpman: ye
  816. (Sat/02:15:59 PM) DestinyUnknown: y
  817. (Sat/02:16:02 PM) Karpman: whats his nickname smith
  818. (Sat/02:16:10 PM) %smith_: nah i cant say that
  819. (Sat/02:16:12 PM) <@mostwanted> alright, 3 teams 2 hours ballin'
  820. (Sat/02:16:14 PM) %smith_: its so fucking ridiculous
  821. (Sat/02:16:19 PM) <@mostwanted> you don't have to say it
  822. (Sat/02:16:21 PM) <@mostwanted> type it
  823. (Sat/02:16:21 PM) DestinyUnknown: lol
  824. (Sat/02:16:22 PM) Karpman: lol
  825. (Sat/02:16:22 PM) %smith_: it usually gets his attention better though!
  826. (Sat/02:16:31 PM) %smith_: usually he starts flipping out
  827. (Sat/02:16:34 PM) %BKC: omg i hate you so much
  828. (Sat/02:16:43 PM) %smith_: where's the caps lock?
  829. (Sat/02:16:44 PM) %smith_: sigh
  830. -
  831. BKC is BKC@rt.of.ruin * http://www.mibbit.com
  832. BKC is a registered nick
  833. BKC on #ubers #eastus @#Macondo %#ratemyteam
  834. BKC using avarice.az.us.synirc.net Greed is Good
  835. BKC has been idle 16secs, signed on Sat Jun 02 10:30:07
  836. BKC End of /WHOIS list.
  837. -
  838. (Sat/02:16:57 PM) %smith_: is it just me or are all vgc rmts EXACTLY the same
  839. (Sat/02:17:03 PM) TheCowDestroyer: Revolves around phazing. Ferroseed and Swampert are reliable hazard-setters. Snorlax and Swampert are my two main phazers, each equipped with a bulk that complements the other's. Amoonguss is there mainly to cripple offensive threats, and Umbreon insures the team's longevity. Azelf is a cleanup sweeper, taking care of what the rest of the team couldn't handle
  840. (Sat/02:17:08 PM) %smith_: why can't people THINK
  841. (Sat/02:17:13 PM) * %Noodlez (Mibbit@synIRC-1D695C90.war.clearwire-wmx.net) Quit (Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client)
  842. (Sat/02:17:15 PM) %BKC: hmm
  843. (Sat/02:17:17 PM) %BKC: cow destroyer
  844. (Sat/02:17:31 PM) Karpman: why not ferrrothorn
  845. (Sat/02:17:32 PM) %BKC: it looks like you have a lot of trouble with several ou threats
  846. (Sat/02:17:37 PM) DestinyUnknown: it's UU
  847. (Sat/02:17:42 PM) TheCowDestroyer: ^
  848. (Sat/02:17:44 PM) Karpman: also a lot of those pokemon arent too effective gen 5 wise
  849. (Sat/02:17:45 PM) Karpman: oh
  850. (Sat/02:17:45 PM) <@mostwanted> did bkc got in east
  851. (Sat/02:17:47 PM) Karpman: that changes
  852. (Sat/02:17:47 PM) %BKC: oh it's uu....
  853. (Sat/02:17:48 PM) DestinyUnknown: but anyway
  854. (Sat/02:17:53 PM) %BKC: i am really dumb
  855. (Sat/02:17:55 PM) %BKC: idk yet, mw
  856. (Sat/02:17:56 PM) Karpman: me2
  857. (Sat/02:18:00 PM) %BKC: i'm like six-three in tryouts
  858. (Sat/02:18:01 PM) DestinyUnknown: as an UU player I can tell it has a lot of weaknesses
  859. (Sat/02:18:09 PM) Karpman: I dont play uu
  860. (Sat/02:18:10 PM) Karpman: lol
  861. (Sat/02:18:10 PM) DestinyUnknown: and there are some pokemon that overlap their roles
  862. (Sat/02:18:12 PM) %smith_: ive used an OU team that when i load into PO, automatically places me in UU
  863. (Sat/02:18:25 PM) Karpman: wow ur that bad huh
  864. (Sat/02:18:29 PM) <@mostwanted> karpman did you join any teams
  865. (Sat/02:18:33 PM) +gec: mostwanted
  866. (Sat/02:18:33 PM) +gec: !
  867. (Sat/02:18:34 PM) %smith_: nah it was my old hail stall team
  868. (Sat/02:18:37 PM) <@mostwanted> gec
  869. (Sat/02:18:37 PM) Karpman: I'm trying out for central
  870. (Sat/02:18:40 PM) <@mostwanted> nice post in wcop
  871. (Sat/02:18:42 PM) <@mostwanted> lmao
  872. (Sat/02:18:44 PM) %smith_: abomasnow / chandelure / mandibuzz / i forget the rest
  873. (Sat/02:18:46 PM) Karpman: its probably the only one that im eligible for and can make
  874. (Sat/02:18:48 PM) +gec: diego maradona approves
  875. (Sat/02:18:55 PM) Karpman: hes the best soccer coach
  876. (Sat/02:18:58 PM) Karpman: he doesnt give 1 fuck
  877. (Sat/02:19:01 PM) <@mostwanted> that dante guy vm'd me too
  878. (Sat/02:19:22 PM) <@mostwanted> http://www.smogon.com/forums/converse.php?u=142264&u2=97294
  879. (Sat/02:19:37 PM) TheCowDestroyer: DestinyUnknown: Could you elaborate?
  880. (Sat/02:19:40 PM) %smith_: why does stone cold ask people who they are
  881. (Sat/02:19:45 PM) %smith_: thats kinda a loaded question
  882. (Sat/02:19:51 PM) DestinyUnknown: well alright
  883. (Sat/02:19:54 PM) harsha: lmao
  884. (Sat/02:20:00 PM) DestinyUnknown: the problem I see
  885. (Sat/02:20:09 PM) %BKC: mw why dont you help him ):
  886. (Sat/02:20:09 PM) DestinyUnknown: is that top tier threats
  887. (Sat/02:20:23 PM) %smith_: bkc we should get our gimmick stall team rated
  888. (Sat/02:20:31 PM) %BKC: oh god haha
  889. (Sat/02:20:33 PM) DestinyUnknown: like Heracross, Kingdra or spikestacking teams
  890. (Sat/02:20:34 PM) %BKC: ok go for it
  891. (Sat/02:20:37 PM) DestinyUnknown: run through your team
  892. (Sat/02:20:41 PM) %BKC: after this uu team is rated
  893. (Sat/02:20:50 PM) DestinyUnknown: without any issue
  894. (Sat/02:20:50 PM) <@mostwanted> ironic will help him bkc
  895. (Sat/02:20:55 PM) * Scimjara (Mibbit@synIRC-247C6C1.dyn.optonline.net) has joined #ratemyteam
  896. (Sat/02:20:56 PM) harsha: lol
  897. (Sat/02:20:57 PM) DestinyUnknown: plus Amoonguss doesn't make any sense
  898. (Sat/02:21:01 PM) %BKC: i'll leave this to destiny since he knows his stuff in uu way better than i do
  899. (Sat/02:22:26 PM) DestinyUnknown: raikou looks as a big threat too
  900. (Sat/02:22:39 PM) DestinyUnknown: especially considering amoonguss, ferroseed and umbreon
  901. (Sat/02:22:42 PM) DestinyUnknown: can't touch it
  902. (Sat/02:22:50 PM) DestinyUnknown: and swampert is easily worn down by hazards
  903. (Sat/02:23:00 PM) DestinyUnknown: you also lack an spinblocker
  904. (Sat/02:23:13 PM) DestinyUnknown: which is completely horrible when running a team like yours
  905. (Sat/02:23:30 PM) DestinyUnknown: since 80% of competitive teams run a spinner/xatu
  906. (Sat/02:23:47 PM) DestinyUnknown: and not having a spinner of your own is horrible
  907. (Sat/02:24:00 PM) DestinyUnknown: since you have no way of stopping qwilfish/froslass/roserade
  908. (Sat/02:24:05 PM) DestinyUnknown: from setting up hazards
  909. (Sat/02:24:15 PM) * &blue (blue@stronger.than.earthworm) Quit (Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.88.2 [Firefox 12.0/20120420145725])
  910. (Sat/02:24:16 PM) * NotWorkingPhil (~blue@synIRC-AEBC8236.dyn.optonline.net) has joined #ratemyteam
  911. (Sat/02:24:27 PM) DestinyUnknown: and with hazards on the field offensive threats such as zapdos, heracross, raikou or chandelure
  912. (Sat/02:24:34 PM) * @mostwanted slaps NotWorkingPhil around a bit with a large trout
  913. (Sat/02:24:36 PM) DestinyUnknown: have an easy time wrecking your walls
  914. (Sat/02:24:41 PM) * NotWorkingPhil (~blue@synIRC-AEBC8236.dyn.optonline.net) Quit (Quit: NotWorkingPhil)
  915. (Sat/02:24:44 PM) DestinyUnknown: and well that's about it
  916. (Sat/02:24:47 PM) <@mostwanted> das right
  917. (Sat/02:24:52 PM) DestinyUnknown: I can't think of anything more to say atm
  918. (Sat/02:24:56 PM) * Karpman slaps smith_ with a large karpman
  919. (Sat/02:25:16 PM) * blue (~blue@synIRC-AEBC8236.dyn.optonline.net) has joined #ratemyteam
  920. (Sat/02:25:16 PM) * Porygon2 sets mode: +ao blue blue
  921. (Sat/02:25:21 PM) * %smith_ eats karpman
  922. (Sat/02:25:23 PM) %BKC: rofl
  923. (Sat/02:25:38 PM) * Karpman uses sludge bomb on smith
  924. (Sat/02:25:56 PM) %smith_: it's not very effective
  925. (Sat/02:25:58 PM) TheCowDestroyer: Erm... wow. This is embarrassing.
  926. (Sat/02:26:04 PM) * %smith_ uses attract on karpman
  927. (Sat/02:26:11 PM) %BKC: nah its not
  928. (Sat/02:26:16 PM) Karpman: but it failed
  929. (Sat/02:26:23 PM) %BKC: i'm assuming youre a bit new
  930. (Sat/02:26:28 PM) %smith_: karpman are you genderless?
  931. (Sat/02:26:38 PM) Karpman: no im just not gay!
  932. (Sat/02:26:56 PM) DestinyUnknown: getting on a tier
  933. (Sat/02:26:58 PM) %smith_: yeah, sure you aren't
  934. (Sat/02:27:00 PM) DestinyUnknown: is not that easy
  935. (Sat/02:27:06 PM) Karpman: nop dude i enjoy women
  936. (Sat/02:27:12 PM) DestinyUnknown: so it's normal that your first team will have a lot of problems
  937. (Sat/02:27:23 PM) Karpman: dont you go to an all boys school smith
  938. (Sat/02:27:30 PM) %smith_: yep
  939. (Sat/02:27:31 PM) Karpman: wtf I think its thundering
  940. (Sat/02:27:35 PM) Karpman: so im shutting down comp
  941. (Sat/02:27:39 PM) Karpman: and thinking about my team
  942. (Sat/02:27:39 PM) Karpman: offline
  943. (Sat/02:27:39 PM) Karpman: lol
  944. (Sat/02:27:44 PM) * Karpman (~Karpman@go.go.go.go.go.go.gadget.flow) Quit (Quit: )
  945. (Sat/02:27:45 PM) %smith_: what the hell
  946. (Sat/02:27:50 PM) harsha: lol
  947. (Sat/02:27:53 PM) %smith_: is his internet actually that bad?
  948. (Sat/02:27:55 PM) %BKC: haha
  949. (Sat/02:27:58 PM) harsha: XD
  950. (Sat/02:28:38 PM) %smith_: oh my god bkc this log is hysterical
  951. (Sat/02:28:53 PM) TheCowDestroyer: Oh, that's... I've made several teams. That one is... probably my best one. Would, say, a Zapdos help?
  952. (Sat/02:28:57 PM) %BKC: Do englighten me, friend.
  953. (Sat/02:29:02 PM) %BKC: enlighten
  954. (Sat/02:29:04 PM) %BKC: god dammit
  955. (Sat/02:29:09 PM) DestinyUnknown: well I think the best thing for you
  956. (Sat/02:29:09 PM) %smith_: the one you showed me
  957. (Sat/02:29:11 PM) %smith_: missy tryouts
  958. (Sat/02:29:24 PM) DestinyUnknown: would be looking at the threads on UnderUsed subforum
  959. (Sat/02:29:27 PM) %BKC: haha
  960. (Sat/02:29:40 PM) DestinyUnknown: and play a few battles with a team on the RMT Archive or something of the like
  961. (Sat/02:29:45 PM) DestinyUnknown: to see how the tier looks like
  962. (Sat/02:29:55 PM) DestinyUnknown: and then when you understand the metagame
  963. (Sat/02:30:00 PM) DestinyUnknown: build a team of your own
  964. (Sat/02:30:30 PM) %BKC: if you'd like, you can get a tutor from the battling 101 forum
  965. (Sat/02:30:43 PM) DestinyUnknown: yeah
  966. (Sat/02:30:43 PM) DestinyUnknown: that too
  967. (Sat/02:30:55 PM) DestinyUnknown: problem is that next b101 round starts on like 3 weeks
  968. (Sat/02:31:08 PM) DestinyUnknown: but I guess you can wait
  969. (Sat/02:31:21 PM) %BKC: best course of action is probably
  970. (Sat/02:31:27 PM) DestinyUnknown: I recommend using this team while you wait for b101
  971. (Sat/02:31:29 PM) DestinyUnknown: to start
  972. (Sat/02:31:30 PM) DestinyUnknown: http://www.smogon.com/forums/showthread.php?p=4237640
  973. (Sat/02:31:36 PM) DestinyUnknown: it's well explained
  974. (Sat/02:31:39 PM) DestinyUnknown: and it's easy to use
  975. (Sat/02:31:42 PM) %BKC: for now, lurking and just getting a feel for the metagame
  976. (Sat/02:31:57 PM) %BKC: then when tutoring comes around, you can sign up
  977. (Sat/02:32:07 PM) %BKC: i also have a uu team that you can use if you'd like, its pretty good
  978. (Sat/02:35:03 PM) <@mostwanted> bkc do you want me to post this lecture or you got it
  979. (Sat/02:35:27 PM) %BKC: i'm on mibbit so i don't have the whole log
  980. (Sat/02:35:34 PM) %BKC: cp and send it to me i'll post it on forums
  981. (Sat/02:35:46 PM) %BKC: i should be more active in the rating activities forum ~_~
  982. (Sat/02:35:50 PM) Blue_Eon: cow clear the team and make an new team
  983. (Sat/02:35:53 PM) Blue_Eon: rofl...
  984. (Sat/02:36:00 PM) * Blue_Eon was kicked by BKC (BKC)
  985. (Sat/02:36:06 PM) * Blue_Eon (Mibbit@synIRC-661ED259.red-83-36-216.dynamicip.rima-tde.net) has joined #ratemyteam
  986. (Sat/02:36:09 PM) %BKC: rule number one
  987. -
  988. Blue_Eon is Mibbit@synIRC-661ED259.red-83-36-216.dynamicip.rima-tde.net * http://www.mibbit.com
  989. Blue_Eon on #ratemyteam
  990. Blue_Eon using nightmare.uk.eu.synirc.net Don't kick too hard
  991. Blue_Eon End of /WHOIS list.
  992. -
  993. (Sat/02:36:12 PM) %BKC: don't be an asshole
  994. (Sat/02:36:39 PM) <@mostwanted> can't you c/p it on mibbit
  995. (Sat/02:36:59 PM) <@mostwanted> i don't save logs, i was going to c/p it anyways
  996. (Sat/02:37:00 PM) Blue_Eon: I was a bit tired of waiting for my team getting rated
  997. (Sat/02:37:05 PM) harsha: nah it messes up the format mw
  998. (Sat/02:37:11 PM) Blue_Eon: sry
  999. (Sat/02:37:13 PM) %BKC: nah my thing
  1000. (Sat/02:37:17 PM) %BKC: doesn't go all the way back
  1001. (Sat/02:37:21 PM) harsha: and i think it cuts off
  1002. (Sat/02:37:22 PM) harsha: yeah
  1003. (Sat/02:37:23 PM) <@mostwanted> oh
  1004. (Sat/02:37:29 PM) <@mostwanted> i've everything, dw
  1005. (Sat/02:37:30 PM) DestinyUnknown: yeah
  1006. (Sat/02:37:34 PM) %BKC: 22:55 DestinyUnknown I think it has a decent physical movepool
  1007. (Sat/02:37:40 PM) %BKC: this is as far back as i can go
  1008. (Sat/02:37:50 PM) DestinyUnknown: for me it's the same
  1009. (Sat/02:38:05 PM) %BKC: yeah just cp and send, i'll post it on forums
  1010. (Sat/02:38:06 PM) DestinyUnknown: and I've been there from the start
  1011. (Sat/02:38:40 PM) <@mostwanted> dw i got it
  1012. (Sat/02:38:44 PM) <@mostwanted> i'll pb it in 5 mins
  1013. (Sat/02:38:53 PM) %BKC: ok
  1014. (Sat/02:39:17 PM) Blue_Eon: are you going to rate my team at the end?
  1015. (Sat/02:39:27 PM) <@mostwanted> what's your team pb it
  1016. (Sat/02:39:27 PM) %BKC: sure pastebin it now
  1017. (Sat/02:39:35 PM) %BKC: i think san_pellegrino rated it already though
  1018. (Sat/02:39:42 PM) Blue_Eon: http://pastebin.com/fx4L3Cp6
  1019. (Sat/02:39:52 PM) * Noodlez (Mibbit@synIRC-1D695C90.war.clearwire-wmx.net) has joined #ratemyteam
  1020. (Sat/02:40:07 PM) DestinyUnknown: san pellegrino said magnezone/skarmory
  1021. (Sat/02:40:11 PM) DestinyUnknown: weren't necessary
  1022. (Sat/02:40:16 PM) TheCowDestroyer: DestinyUnknown: If... it means anything, I knew that my team needed a spinner.
  1023. (Sat/02:40:16 PM) DestinyUnknown: at least that's what I remember
  1024. (Sat/02:40:28 PM) <@mostwanted> magnezone doesn't make sense
  1025. (Sat/02:40:44 PM) Blue_Eon: and latios LO in sand...
  1026. (Sat/02:40:48 PM) * yee (Mibbit@synIRC-16B5B247.lsanca.fios.verizon.net) has joined #ratemyteam
  1027. (Sat/02:41:08 PM) <@mostwanted> run recover then
  1028. (Sat/02:41:22 PM) DestinyUnknown: thecowdestroyer: don't worry, just do what BKC suggested as it's the best you can do, everybody has been new at some point
  1029. (Sat/02:41:34 PM) %BKC: mw can you send me the pb now
  1030. (Sat/02:41:39 PM) %BKC: i gtg in like three mins
  1031. (Sat/02:41:47 PM) <@mostwanted> ok c/p it
  1032. (Sat/02:41:49 PM) <@mostwanted> a sec
  1033. (Sat/02:42:10 PM) %BKC: also blue eon
  1034. (Sat/02:42:19 PM) %BKC: life orb latios is better since you've got a lot of coverage
  1035. (Sat/02:42:32 PM) %BKC: you could try expert belt if you don't like life orb recoil
  1036. (Sat/02:42:40 PM) %BKC: ebelt also lets you fake choice specs/scarf
  1037. (Sat/02:43:10 PM) DestinyUnknown: what should he use on magnezone spot?
  1038. (Sat/02:43:27 PM) %BKC: scarf terrakion, maybe
  1039. (Sat/02:43:27 PM) DestinyUnknown: he looks a bit weak to rain
  1040. (Sat/02:43:36 PM) DestinyUnknown: he already got scarf landorus
  1041. (Sat/02:43:37 PM) %BKC: or scarf rotom-w
  1042. (Sat/02:43:39 PM) Blue_Eon: no
  1043. (Sat/02:43:41 PM) %BKC: so he can drop the scarf on landorus
  1044. (Sat/02:43:45 PM) %BKC: for expert belt
  1045. (Sat/02:43:48 PM) Blue_Eon: scarf landorus...
  1046. (Sat/02:43:51 PM) %BKC: e-belt landorus is amazing
  1047. (Sat/02:43:54 PM) DestinyUnknown: yeah
  1048. (Sat/02:43:55 PM) DestinyUnknown: I agree
  1049. (Sat/02:44:00 PM) %BKC: it is one of the best wallbreakers out there
  1050. (Sat/02:44:04 PM) %BKC: so i'd change that
  1051. (Sat/02:44:13 PM) %BKC: and then use scarf rotom-w to help vs rain teams
  1052. (Sat/02:44:42 PM) DestinyUnknown: skarmory looks a bit out of place though
  1053. (Sat/02:44:59 PM) %BKC: i think spiking roserade or ferrothorn would be better
  1054. (Sat/02:45:11 PM) %BKC: because toxic politoed is kind of a bitch to this team
  1055. (Sat/02:45:12 PM) DestinyUnknown: do you think he does really need spikes?
  1056. (Sat/02:45:23 PM) %BKC: i think they're helpful, yeah
  1057. (Sat/02:45:31 PM) %BKC: they make scizor + rotom even more deadly
  1058. (Sat/02:46:01 PM) Blue_Eon: roserade or ferrothorn?
  1059. (Sat/02:46:03 PM) Blue_Eon: sets?
  1060. (Sat/02:46:27 PM) %BKC: roserade - spikes | giga drain | hp fire | rest, with a calm nature and max hp / max spdef
  1061. (Sat/02:46:31 PM) DestinyUnknown: ferrothorn is better in the sens that it can take dragon attacks
  1062. (Sat/02:46:40 PM) %BKC: ferrothorn - spikes | leech protect | protect | power whip
  1063. (Sat/02:46:40 PM) Blue_Eon: hp fire roserade
  1064. (Sat/02:46:41 PM) DestinyUnknown: but roserade can take scald's like nothing
  1065. (Sat/02:46:43 PM) Blue_Eon: and latios hp fire?
  1066. (Sat/02:46:46 PM) %BKC: yeah
  1067. (Sat/02:46:49 PM) %BKC: i gtg
  1068. (Sat/02:46:54 PM) %BKC: take it away destiny
  1069. (Sat/02:46:58 PM) * %BKC (BKC@rt.of.ruin) Quit (Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client)
  1070. (Sat/02:46:58 PM) * %BKC (BKC@rt.of.ruin) Quit (Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client)
  1071. (Sat/02:47:13 PM) DestinyUnknown: you don't need to use hp fire on latios really
  1072. (Sat/02:47:20 PM) DestinyUnknown: you can use recover if you feel like
  1073. (Sat/02:47:31 PM) DestinyUnknown: it's up to preference though
  1074. (Sat/02:47:33 PM) <@mostwanted> those logs were huge
  1075. (Sat/02:47:40 PM) <@mostwanted> took me 3 mins just to c/p it
  1076. (Sat/02:48:03 PM) * BR (~chatzilla@53402A2C.4A4A8D56.E28DFB80.IP) has joined #ratemyteam
  1077. (Sat/02:48:51 PM) <@mostwanted> destinyunkown, so we rated; magma / lizardman / karpman / blue_eon and coy destroyers's teams
  1078. (Sat/02:49:12 PM) DestinyUnknown: yes
  1079. (Sat/02:49:30 PM) <@mostwanted> do you have a link to coy destroyer's pb
  1080. (Sat/02:49:47 PM) DestinyUnknown: yes
  1081. (Sat/02:49:47 PM) <@mostwanted> why the fuck am i spelling him with an y instead of w
  1082. (Sat/02:49:50 PM) <@mostwanted> -_-
  1083. (Sat/02:49:51 PM) DestinyUnknown: wait a minute
  1084. (Sat/02:50:09 PM) DestinyUnknown: http://pastebin.com/LwBdfi5R
  1085. (Sat/02:52:12 PM) DestinyUnknown: blue_eon
  1086. (Sat/02:52:19 PM) DestinyUnknown: use 208 HP | 124 Def | 60 SAtk | 116 SDef ev spread on roserade
  1087. (Sat/02:52:26 PM) DestinyUnknown: with spikes/giga drain/hidden power fire/rest
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