Kingdom Hearts Wiki Roundtable - December 5, 2014

[13:16] <Pea|Japanese> So should we start?
[13:16] <FifteenthMember> oui
[13:16] <+KeybladeSpyMaste> Yes
[13:16] <Braviaggron> Yes
[13:16] <Neumannz> If you want me to be here for as much of it as possible
[13:17] <Pea|Japanese> So lets start then
[13:17] <Pea|Japanese> Create a "KHWiki:Podcast" page to list all the episodes with links to their magazine issue/forum page so that everything is compiled onto one page.
[13:18] <Neumannz> Not even a question, do it
[13:18] <Pea|Japanese> ^
[13:18] <FifteenthMember> okay
[13:18] <FifteenthMember> That's it, I think
[13:18] <Pea|Japanese> Next, A simple web community akin to Encyclopaediae Pokémonis and Bulbagarden, in which we would tie several Kingdom Hearts communities (wikis, news sites, etc) together. We could call it "The Organization"....
[13:19] <FifteenthMember> Err, I'm not sure how that would work
[13:19] <FifteenthMember> We'd need to host a web domain and make a website
[13:19] <+KeybladeSpyMaste> I ran into those communities some time back, so I threw the idea out there.
[13:19] <Neumannz> Would other sites even be interested?
[13:19] <FifteenthMember> And we'd have to get lots of other KH communities on board too and collaborate with them
[13:19] <FifteenthMember> I'm not against it though
[13:20] <FifteenthMember> And do we have someone who can host the website?
[13:21] <+KeybladeSpyMaste> I thought that to avoid the issues of hosting, that we'd just require each website to have a section or page on their website to link to the other websites that belong to the community. Until/if ther comes the time that we choose to create/host a website dedicated to the community
[13:22] <FifteenthMember> We have our affiliates already with links to many KH stuff
[13:22] <Pea|Japanese> ^
[13:22] <FifteenthMember> So it's kinda redundant
[13:23] <Neumannz> What would we get out of it?
[13:23] <FifteenthMember> I think it's a plausible idea but only if it's turned into a full-fledged website
[13:23] <Neumannz> ^
[13:24] <+KeybladeSpyMaste> Ideally, we'd at least get more traffic
[13:25] <FifteenthMember> Hmm, if that's the only benefit
[13:25] <FifteenthMember> I might not be worth the planning/money of making a website
[13:25] <+KeybladeSpyMaste> I don't know if there could be other additional benefits worked into it.
[13:26] <Pea|Japanese> Well we would feel "combined"
[13:26] <Pea|Japanese> But that's it
[13:28] <FifteenthMember> kh unity
[13:28] <FifteenthMember> But yeah
[13:28] <FifteenthMember> I'd say put the idea on hold, until someone is able to create an entire website for it
[13:28] <+KeybladeSpyMaste> Alright, then.
[13:29] <Pea|Japanese> Next
[13:29] <Pea|Japanese> Is anything else for the End of Year event needed?
[13:29] <FifteenthMember> oh no
[13:29] <FifteenthMember> I don't think so, as far as I know
[13:29] <FifteenthMember> Me and KSM already used a generator to work out the teams
[13:30] <FifteenthMember> The user trivia contest is running smoothly (btw, i thought of a fact :D )
[13:30] <FifteenthMember> We just need to make sure RN sends his
[13:30] <FifteenthMember> And the design-a-world is a go
[13:30] <FifteenthMember> Anyone have any points to raise?
[13:30] <Pea|Japanese> Nop
[13:31] <FifteenthMember> Alright
[13:31] <FifteenthMember> We move on then
[13:31] <Neumannz> Sweet
[13:31] <Pea|Japanese> Find a way to make Mirage Arena more stable (maybe make it run on a fortnightly basis instead?)
[13:31] <Neumannz> Moving along is good
[13:32] <FifteenthMember> That gives people more time to vote and nominate
[13:32] <FifteenthMember> Because usually we don't have enough nominations to run weekly consistently
[13:32] <FifteenthMember> And also, it's easier on KSM for updating it
[13:32] <Pea|Japanese> That's right
[13:32] * FifteenthMember forgets every week to update it
[13:32] <RikutheBloody> If someone keeps it up, it should be good.
[13:32] <RikutheBloody> I have a lot of ideas in mind.
[13:33] <RikutheBloody> I can also take the job to update it weekly.
[13:33] <+KeybladeSpyMaste> So long as there's at least one nomination, the Mirage Arena tends to run smoothly. People vote weekly, we just don't have anyone nominating.
[13:33] <Pea|Japanese> ^I think so too
[13:35] <FifteenthMember> Well, if people are sure that they have nomination ideas
[13:35] <FifteenthMember> then we can continue to go weekly
[13:35] <RikutheBloody> I'm sure. I'll make it my life :]
[13:35] <+KeybladeSpyMaste> I have an idea, though.
[13:35] <Pea|Japanese> How I miss those days when we have lots of active users...
[13:36] <FifteenthMember> activity spikes at holidays
[13:36] <FifteenthMember> holiday approaches
[13:36] <FifteenthMember> megaproject arise done some good tho xD
[13:36] <RikutheBloody> But not for you.
[13:36] <+KeybladeSpyMaste> That we add an additional category for nominations called "Editor Work", which would consist of work submitted by editors whether for the magazine, the upcoming World design project, etc.
[13:37] <+KeybladeSpyMaste> It can't just be any fandom. It has to have existed for the wiki for another purpose first.
[13:37] <FifteenthMember> You mean compare this person's interview with that person's review?
[13:37] <FifteenthMember> and by compare, I mean verse
[13:38] <+KeybladeSpyMaste> Yeah.
[13:38] <FifteenthMember> Err, that could easily go wrong
[13:38] <FifteenthMember> Because people might get upset or offended if they lose
[13:38] <FifteenthMember> We could compare articles perhaps?
[13:38] <FifteenthMember> Sora (article) vs Riku (article)
[13:39] <FifteenthMember> And I could say, I vote Riku's because the story section is written better
[13:39] <FifteenthMember> or whatever
[13:39] <FifteenthMember> It's lame but yeah
[13:39] <+KeybladeSpyMaste> Eh...
[13:40] <+KeybladeSpyMaste> I guess, if you guys want.
[13:40] <Pea|Japanese> No ._.
[13:40] <FifteenthMember> yeah
[13:40] <FifteenthMember> I agree with pea
[13:40] <FifteenthMember> even if the idea came from me xD
[13:40] <Pea|Japanese> >.>
[13:41] <Pea|Japanese> Then I think the MA is fine as it is then
[13:41] <FifteenthMember> aight aight
[13:41] <FifteenthMember> moving on?
[13:41] <Pea|Japanese> Next?
[13:41] <FifteenthMember> OOH
[13:41] <FifteenthMember> Here's an idea
[13:41] <FifteenthMember> Every three months, we can have an award
[13:41] <FifteenthMember> for the person who nominated the most battles that got picked
[13:41] <FifteenthMember> So people feel motivated to nominate
[13:42] <FifteenthMember> You know, cos we can never have enough awards :P
[13:42] <Pea|Japanese> It's not like we have THAT many users that are able to nominate...
[13:42] <FifteenthMember> that's why I say three months
[13:42] <FifteenthMember> Or we could do it every tournament bracket
[13:43] <+KeybladeSpyMaste> Or at the end of the Regular round.
[13:43] <+KeybladeSpyMaste> Yeah
[13:43] <FifteenthMember> Before we go to the joint struggle/second chance
[13:43] <Pea|Japanese> Then I think it's fine
[13:43] <+KeybladeSpyMaste> Each one is supposed to be 16 weeks anyways (four months)
[13:43] <FifteenthMember> Ah
[13:43] <FifteenthMember> That's good then
[13:43] <+KeybladeSpyMaste> We're taking longer because of the lack of nominations on a couple weeks.
[13:43] <FifteenthMember> I think that's a doable idea
[13:43] <FifteenthMember> We just need to make a medal
[13:43] <FifteenthMember> And a name
[13:44] <Pea|Japanese> Then it's settled
[13:44] <FifteenthMember> If I think of a name
[13:44] <FifteenthMember> I shall tell you guys
[13:44] <+KeybladeSpyMaste> And I can make the medal
[13:45] <FifteenthMember> okay
[13:45] <FifteenthMember> We move on
[13:45] <Pea|Japanese> Advertisement for sending questions to kingdomheartswikibcrat@gmail.com for December's podcast. See this forum for details
[13:45] <Pea|Japanese> DO EET
[13:45] <Neumannz> Yes, please
[13:45] <+KeybladeSpyMaste> I'll advertise on the wiki's Twitter
[13:45] <Pea|Japanese> I'll do on FB
[13:46] <Pea|Japanese> So next
[13:46] <FifteenthMember> we could do a sitenotice too
[13:46] <FifteenthMember> lso
[13:46] <Pea|Japanese> Yeah do that too
[13:46] <FifteenthMember> Also
[13:46] <+KeybladeSpyMaste> Yeah.
[13:46] <FifteenthMember> With the sitenotice, can we remove the stuff about featured content
[13:46] <FifteenthMember> And the technical info part
[13:46] <Pea|Japanese> Nop
[13:46] <FifteenthMember> Cos those are olde
[13:46] <FifteenthMember> *old
[13:47] <Pea|Japanese> Getting Technical Info out is okay I guess
[13:47] <Pea|Japanese> But not Featured Content
[13:47] <Pea|Japanese> Even with it, I still forget to vote ._.
[13:47] <FifteenthMember> The consensus format part was directed at Dream Eater pages, if I remember correctly
[13:47] <FifteenthMember> And that's sorted now
[13:47] <FifteenthMember> I forget about featured content too
[13:47] <+KeybladeSpyMaste> The End of Year Event stuff will soon be gone, too, so we don't have to worry about it cramming up the site notice
[13:48] <FifteenthMember> But okay
[13:48] <FifteenthMember> We could keep it all
[13:48] <Neumannz> KEEP IT ALLLLLLLLL
[13:48] <Pea|Japanese> Okay :P
[13:49] <+KeybladeSpyMaste> We could make the site notice a-la-NIWA or a-la-Square-Enix-Wiki and put it in a colorful collapsible box
[13:49] <FifteenthMember> okay :P
[13:49] <FifteenthMember> Nah
[13:49] <+KeybladeSpyMaste> At least in my experience, that keeps getting my attention
[13:49] <FifteenthMember> I think it's cool how it is
[13:49] <Neumannz> Mock it up, let's take a look at it
[13:49] <FifteenthMember> otherwise bombardment of colour hurts your eyes
[13:49] <+KeybladeSpyMaste> Ok, I'll do that
[13:49] <FifteenthMember> yeah, what NZ said
[13:49] <FifteenthMember> Okay
[13:49] <FifteenthMember> Next
[13:49] <FifteenthMember> Clarify the wiki's policy on character renders uploaded/used on wiki articles. What kinds of renders/images can be used, and when/where can they be used. This has increasingly become an issue among several editors on the wiki.
[13:49] <FifteenthMember> (i dunno)
[13:50] <Pea|Japanese> ....What
[13:50] <RikutheBloody> Eternal Nothingness added this crap.
[13:50] <RikutheBloody> http://www.khwiki.com/User_talk:Master_Riku_the_Bloody#Action_Renders
[13:50] <+KeybladeSpyMaste> Actually, I added it, because ENX was the second or third person to bring it up
[13:50] <+KeybladeSpyMaste> at least to me
[13:50] <FifteenthMember> Someone explain to me what the problem is
[13:51] <FifteenthMember> I don't know what the policy on renders are
[13:51] <+KeybladeSpyMaste> Basically, it's the use of the Organization renders that are labeled (Action Renders)
[13:51] <FifteenthMember> As I see it, we are putting fan-made poses of action renders in the infoboxes
[13:51] <FifteenthMember> Rather than ones that SE put out as officials?
[13:51] <+KeybladeSpyMaste> Yep
[13:51] <FifteenthMember> Oh
[13:51] <FifteenthMember> i agree with ENX then
[13:51] <+KeybladeSpyMaste> In part 'cuz there really aren't official Action Renders
[13:52] <Pea|Japanese> Ultimania renders?
[13:52] <FifteenthMember> Well, if there aren't official action renders
[13:52] <FifteenthMember> I don't see the problem in using poses we make (as long as they're taken from the game and not put into that pose through photoshop or something)
[13:52] <+KeybladeSpyMaste> ENX mentioned that we kept keeping them because they were in the Game:-space, which somehow justified the use of non-official renders, since the content on Game:-space is kinda non-official, as well.
[13:53] <Pea|Japanese> Hmm
[13:53] <+KeybladeSpyMaste> Which...kinda makes sense...but....
[13:53] <Braviaggron> For Axel, let's take the days action render, temporarily.
[13:53] <Braviaggron> This render is better
[13:53] <FifteenthMember> It justifies the use of non-official renders if there is no official one to use
[13:54] <FifteenthMember> We could use the same render as the Main: space but that's not as interesting
[13:54] <+KeybladeSpyMaste> Pea, did you mean that there are official renders in the Ultimania?
[13:54] <FifteenthMember> It's an aesthetic choice, it seems
[13:54] <FifteenthMember> how are the "fan renders" made?
[13:55] <+KeybladeSpyMaste> FM, yeah, it's an aesthetic choice that clashes with the "no-fanart" policy. That's why I wanted to discuss it. 'Cuz I don't know if there's already some policy/standard set in place regarding this.
[13:55] <FifteenthMember> How are the renders made?
[13:55] <Pea|Japanese> I thought there're renders in the Ultimania?
[13:55] <RikutheBloody> I don't really see any complaints.
[13:56] <+KeybladeSpyMaste> I don't think so. I Google searched the Xigbar Action Render, and it's only used on wikis. Not anywhere else.
[13:56] <FifteenthMember> I think it depends on how the fan renders are made
[13:57] <FifteenthMember> Are they photoshopped beyond recognision of the original?
[13:57] <Pea|Japanese> I think this is ripped from the game or something
[13:57] <FifteenthMember> Or are they taken from the game
[13:57] <FifteenthMember> If so, I don't see the problem at all
[13:57] <+KeybladeSpyMaste> I don't think they were photoshopped. They look to good. Like they were fan-posed using other software.
[13:57] <+KeybladeSpyMaste> But I don't know. I wasn't here.
[13:57] <Pea|Japanese> They are ripped from the game by Darkheart
[13:58] <FifteenthMember> If it's from the game, it can't be classed as fanart
[13:58] <FifteenthMember> And since SE didn't hand out any action render themselves
[13:58] <Pea|Japanese> They hand them out with the game
[13:58] <FifteenthMember> I don't see the problem in us going ahead and taking our own action renders from the game
[13:58] <RikutheBloody> I really don't see the big problem. They aren't drawn, or of bad quality.
[13:59] <Pea|Japanese> But this is isn't the "official render" as well
[13:59] <FifteenthMember> Well, we don't claim it to be the "offical render"
[13:59] <FifteenthMember> It's just a second best
[14:00] <FifteenthMember> It's like how screenshots of gameplay may not be "official", given to us my SE
[14:00] <FifteenthMember> but we still use them
[14:00] <FifteenthMember> *by SE
[14:00] <Pea|Japanese> Yeha
[14:00] <Pea|Japanese> Yeah*
[14:00] <FifteenthMember> http://www.khwiki.com/File:Tigger%27s_Giant_Pot_01_KH.png
[14:00] <FifteenthMember> Example
[14:00] <Pea|Japanese> So we allow the use of these "renders from the game" in Gamespace
[14:01] <FifteenthMember> Yes, if there is no official action render
[14:01] <FifteenthMember> And as long as the alternative renders are still from the game
[14:01] <FifteenthMember> All agreed?
[14:01] <+KeybladeSpyMaste> Ok.
[14:02] <FifteenthMember> Okay
[14:02] <FifteenthMember> Moving on
[14:02] <+KeybladeSpyMaste> Pages for individual cutscenes? We have pages for the endings, it only seems right that we go ahead and cover all the ccutscenes. Besides, they're mostly listed in Theater Mode.
[14:02] <FifteenthMember> I say no
[14:02] <Pea|Japanese> I say no
[14:02] <+KeybladeSpyMaste> I just realized I forgot to sign that...
[14:02] <FifteenthMember> One because KH and KHII don't have theater modes
[14:02] <FifteenthMember> So we can't name their cutscenes
[14:03] <+KeybladeSpyMaste> We'd base ourselves on KHIIFM
[14:03] <Neumannz> Final mixes
[14:03] <FifteenthMember> And two because it seems superficial to have articles for each cutscene
[14:03] <FifteenthMember> When they're already handled well on the Theater Mode page
[14:03] <+KeybladeSpyMaste> Eh....not really. KHIIFM isn't covered other than additional cutscenes.
[14:04] <FifteenthMember> The endings have their own pages because they're special cutscenes
[14:05] <+KeybladeSpyMaste> Neither is Dream Drop Distance (other than the names listed) or half of Re:COM
[14:05] <FifteenthMember> With normal cutscenes, at most, we should just have pages "List of cutscenes (KHD)", "List of cutscenes (BBS)" etc.
[14:05] <FifteenthMember> So that we don't have to collapse so much information on the theater mode page
[14:05] <+KeybladeSpyMaste> That could work, too.
[14:05] <FifteenthMember> We can just use {{main}} links
[14:06] <FifteenthMember> a page for every individual cutscene just sounds too much
[14:06] <Pea|Japanese> I tihnk lists of cutscenes seem good
[14:06] <FifteenthMember> Some cutscenes are only 11 seconds long so...
[14:06] <+KeybladeSpyMaste> Part of the reason is that I need a better way to link the cutscenes where songs play for Project:Music. Just typing "Plays in "Disney Castle" in Kingdom Hearts" without a link or a good link is confusing and incomplete...
[14:07] <FifteenthMember> I thought about linking
[14:07] <FifteenthMember> If we split it into list pages
[14:07] <+KeybladeSpyMaste> And misleading. Is it Disney Castle the world? Or the cutscene? Is there even a "Disney Castle" cutscene?
[14:07] <FifteenthMember> We could use anchor links I guess
[14:07] <FifteenthMember> And a load of redirects
[14:08] <FifteenthMember> For those named cutscenes at least
[14:08] <+KeybladeSpyMaste> If we list the cutscenes, will it be in a table, a collapsible table, or sections?
[14:08] <FifteenthMember> sections
[14:08] <+KeybladeSpyMaste> (If we use sections, we dont' need to anchor link, just redirects)
[14:08] <FifteenthMember> Yeah
[14:09] <FifteenthMember> It'd be sections like Roxas' Diary or something similar
[14:09] <+KeybladeSpyMaste> Ok, that works for me.
[14:09] <FifteenthMember> Alright, so all agreed?
[14:10] <FifteenthMember> Neumannz, thoughts?
[14:10] <Neumannz> We can try it with sections
[14:11] <Neumannz> I think tables would also work, though
[14:11] <FifteenthMember> Tables would work, yes.
[14:11] <Neumannz> The shorter ones would look better as table entries than sections
[14:11] <FifteenthMember> That is true
[14:12] <+KeybladeSpyMaste> The only issue I have with using a table is that we would then need to use the anchor template instead.
[14:12] <FifteenthMember> With longer ones, if you have sections, you can write in paragraphs so it's not a wall-o-text, though
[14:12] <FifteenthMember> It's not too bad
[14:12] <FifteenthMember> Just use the anchor over each cutscene name
[14:13] <FifteenthMember> And #REDIRECT [[List of cutscenes (BBS)#cutscene name]]
[14:13] <FifteenthMember> Hmm
[14:13] <FifteenthMember> Is the majority of cutscenes long or short?
[14:14] <+KeybladeSpyMaste> In Birth by Sleep, they're mostly shorther 'cuz they don't use any events with bubbles.
[14:15] <+KeybladeSpyMaste> I think they're mostly longer in the earlier games (KHI, KHII)
[14:15] <+KeybladeSpyMaste> I don't know about Dream Drop Distance.
[14:15] <FifteenthMember> Reading what we have written on the Theater Mode page
[14:15] <FifteenthMember> table seems fine
[14:15] <FifteenthMember> Most summaries are only about three-four lines long
[14:15] <+KeybladeSpyMaste> They're probably even longer with HD 1.5 and 2.5 ReMIX
[14:16] <+KeybladeSpyMaste> At least for 358/2 Days and Re:coded
[14:17] <FifteenthMember> dunno
[14:17] <+KeybladeSpyMaste> It's up to you guys.
[14:18] <+KeybladeSpyMaste> I personally don't feel it too bad to use sections. But I'm not saying tables are horrible, either.
[14:18] <FifteenthMember> We could try both
[14:18] <FifteenthMember> It's not an issue
[14:20] <+KeybladeSpyMaste> Ok, I guess that's it.
[14:20] <FifteenthMember> Yeah