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- @FinalDraftEFN
- Who needs a bullshit convention like @babsconsf who hire contract leakers and deal in back-door drama? I'd rather have MRSA.
- @OsakaJack @EverfreeNetwork
- I welcome it because I don't shy away from daring people to try and then reporting them to the police/FBI
- @FinalDraftEFN @babsconsf
- Good thing I decided to work instead, I dare a legal company (convention) to threaten me, they'll regret doing so.
- @FinalDraftEFN
- Justice is blind, you have to let her keep running into the wall to figure out where the door is.
- @OsakaJack
- Don't let those idiots get to you man, they think they're funny but I think I'm going to take action on them this year.
- @toonboy92484 @Ahmed_Zainal
- We got booted out fo Babscon for trying to use our media passes to interview people.
- @DaisyAzuras @BrowncoatPony
- The rules I see are as follows: http://www.babscon.com/press/ Seems like there are no rules against it.
- @ThePerlerPony @rappafoin @finaldraft
- If interviewing is against rules, why does it say different here: http://www.babscon.com/press/
- I highly doubt, especially since I know him, he would push an interview on someone that said no
- Especially since most of the guests are comfortable with talking to him.
- @LeekFish @KibbieTheGreat
- Oh, so interviewing is against the rules with a media pass? Did PVL get the same treatment? Doubt it.
- @ThePerlerPony @rappafoin @finaldraft
- He doesn't control panels, they request him infact I was around when they asked him to do it at CG '12
- If he did something stupid he wouldn't be making a stink out of it.
- @LeekFish @KibbieTheGreat
- So he has to have the Con's permission to get interviews?
- According to the legal document, aka the website, he has to ask the guests for permission, not the con.
- @ThePerlerPony @rappafoin @finaldraft
- Yeah I doubt it since I attended cons in '13 as well and he was asked by guests and con staff
- @LeekFish @KibbieTheGreat
- Uh huh, so if he was declined for interview I know he stops asking if they say no so where is this documented?
- @ThePerlerPony @rappafoin @finaldraft
- Hasn't given me a reason to not believe him in 2 years of working here. Babscon hires contract leakers
- So? We're on friendly terms with most guests and that's a bad thing? Preconceived notions everywhere
- Really? I like to hear who because we all talk to each other! You're funny as hell! #NotReally
- Seems like to me you just have an axe to grind and want to believe he's a bad guy without knowing him.
- "We have names but won't name them" aka Bullshit.
- Then prove it with evidence. I've been at these cons and seen what happens.
- You claim he pushed his way into panels and I know that's bull. I watched staff ask him last minute
- You claim he's a bad guy, yet you provide zero evidence, must be nice to be baseless.
- Make sure you cite sources because I bet 9/10 of them are PVL/Obsidian Winter lies
- I work at EFN, your point? You work with PVL it seems does that mean you're infallible?
- Uh wrong, the con wanted to spend less money on resources, which is the same for Fiesta and EFNW
- Wrong again, I'm very unbiased when it comes to information. So far it's Babscon breaking contract
- @ThePerlerPony @rappafoin @HorseNewsMLP
- Yes, because Horse News isn't ran by ANYONE at PVL/EFN hating, you're right.
- @ThePerlerPony @rappafoin @FinalDraftEFN
- Free? Wrong, costs money to get internet at a convention space, about a $1000 per day.
- Also costs the lost of attendee space, think about 3 attendees per media pass and camera used.
- @ThePerlerPony @rappafoin @HorseNewsMLP
- There you go, so why trust a DAMN thing you say?
- @PrivateStampede @LeekFish @KibbieTheGreat
- That hasn't been an issue in any con so far with our group, this one is ran by PVL and now it is?
- Not stated in your contract online, might want to check yourself before getting sued.
- @ThePerlerPony @rappafoin @FinalDraftEFN
- Still waiting on proof Tabloid writer. There isn't standing room at a lot of big events.
- @PrivateStampede @LeekFish @KibbieTheGreat
- Didn't assume your rules were the same, they are printed identically though and print is law.
- I'm not like @FinalDraftEFN, if this would've happened to me, we'd be in court tomorrow.
- and I'm sorry your policy states otherwise.
- @Featherprop @KibbieTheGreat @LeekFish
- Oh so the con didn't post their media rules clearly in print? http://www.babscon.com/press/
- I'm beginning to think this fandom has a problem with legal contracts and company responsibility. http://www.babscon.com/press/ is a legal contract
- @Featherprop @jadieko
- We don't do exclusive contracts when we send the initial one out, cons push for it to save money on resources like net
- I think I'm going to pull back from working with Cons to have a better game room/game panels in the future if this crap keeps up.
- @ThunderH3art @Featherprop @KibbieTheGreat @LeekFish
- Reserve the right to, but only to one group and not even breaking rules. Good coppout
- @DaisyAzuras @BrowncoatPony
- Too bad I don't see Draft or anyone on our team harassing any guests. We're better than that.
- It's sad that people who think @FinalDraftEFN or anyone at @EverfreeNetwork would harass guests or attendees, guess PVL is butthurt today
- @ThunderH3art @Featherprop @KibbieTheGreat @LeekFish
- True, but still rather shady in the scheme of things since they want to be a business.
- Then it shouldn't be on their site if they didn't embrace it as a company.
- @DaisyAzuras
- PT dug her own grave, Draft is being ridiculed by people that don't have the balls to do it in person or want a cheap Jew joke.
- @ThunderH3art @Featherprop @KibbieTheGreat @LeekFish
- Okay then it's their contract as well to the media, so basically they broke their own.
- Prior approval by the guests was stated, approval by biased people on staff wasn't.
- While I agree with you, i's still a binding contract that, if me, I'd sue.
- @DaisyAzuras
- PVL makes fun of him for having Jewish decent.
- @ThunderH3art @Featherprop @KibbieTheGreat @LeekFish
- Technically they're contract does with any attendee and the con is liable for.
- 1.) it's basic business, 2.) Consumer holds more power than companies.
- Actually, you do have rights and they cannot legally without rule breakage.
- Try it, bet they run out of money before an attendee since they don't budget for legal
- Wrong, written agreement is their site badge policy.
- The con is a BUSINESS, it takes in money as profit, whether it pays employees or not.
- This isn'ta company barbeque, it's a business venture
- for a legal reason, you can be sued for it. McDonald's has the same policy.
- Wrong, they only make the very basic rules like what is allowed in the space.
- Then it's a stupid business venture, that has legal issues.
- Doubt it, many people have won against them.
- I am too, as talking legalities with people unknowing isn't fun
- Hyatt isn't affected as it wasn't the company that provided the rules, BABScon is.
- @DaisyAzuras
- What punishment would they do, the idiots would still spout crap and lies would run rampant. I'm tired of letting them do so.
- they seem to like listening to them from the twitter accusations flying around. Even Osaka was attacked
- he let's emotions out in the wrong way but I can't blame him after the crap he's been through.
- he is and the negative drama are from our "competitors" that can't compete with quality so they run their mouths
- After what Tinker has said about my friends and the stupid crap she's done she can't make amends.
- if you want more of the story I can skype, but I'm running out of data doing this today
- I have watched their stream vs ours and I can tell you they have a lot to learn
- and the muffin monarchy. It's human nature, but I drew my line in the sand last year after LPU and what was said.
- okay, meh I can go over a bit. I know it's Easter reason I'm ticked people are acting this way as well as the amount of crap
- @Featherprop @ThunderH3art @KibbieTheGreat @LeekFish
- Any attendee including media has a right to be allowed entrance as long as rules arent
- broken, we followed rules and got booted. Right to deny only works when being unlawful
- @DaisyAzuras
- I don't love bigotry, I won't tolerate it either. Tolerance let them do and say what they want and people believe them
- @Featherprop @ThunderH3art @KibbieTheGreat @LeekFish
- so yes, if Draft wanted to, according to the media waiver, be legal about this.
- they sign a contract they are allowed to attend while following all rules and guidelines they consent to upon taking the badges
- the con also agrees to liability of legal action based upon contract acceptance and cancelation unlawfully.
- just like walking into McDonald's with your ex working the counter, she can't deny you based on the break up
- you sign one by accepting the badge
- wrong, if that were true then extra rules would not be needed
- someone who works for the company already partnered company cannot be abided by the same rules as a customer
- there are separate rules for customers, attendees only have to abide by basic rules Media have extra
- independent contractors are partnerships and have legal rights to protect them from events like this
- okay so they aren't legally enforced? So they are attendees? How does that work in the real world?
- try that at ComicCon with SpikeTV and see what happens, court proceedings would ensue due to conflict of interest
- wrong is an agreement between companies provide coverage for a free badge
- they do not have the exclusive contract therefore multiple media personnel are there from different companies
- we are never volunteer we are asked to do coverage
- I guarantee you know rule was broken I know these people personally
- the con has a conflict of interest. As obsidian winter has a personal grudge with efn and is in upper management
- according to the media page media passes grant all access permission of guests and attendees to be interviewed
- upon permission of the interviewee
- wrong but there is no arbitration or liability clause either so it's a weak document. Ejection must be legal
- I don't see proof of the denial and report of interview just PVL people with axes to grind
- didn't say guaranteed but it does guarantee legal recourse if the ejection is illegal
- post is a legal binding document if you don't know that you don't know business 101
- is guaranteed by California state law and United States law to be sued if you break legal contract
- You don't have to own the convention to know law. Any business owner can tell you that
- anything purchased a receipt by that website for any reason for any purpose is a legal binding and can be enforced by law
- actually you do not need to be a lawyer just need to know how to f****** read
- says its not civil is cancer between two companies there be taken to a different status of law
- the guaranteed to be sued means if you break it you can and will be sued and you are liable
- just like any court of law any point if a que the convention in this would have to prove that something was broken first
- I'll be sure to charge a lawyer rate a thousand dollars an hour
- basic business and non - profit laws. All gift and purchases are contracted based on use. Like a ToS on a game
- World of War craft was sued and lost as the right to deny service isn't enforceable by.law
- however as a convention is a business and so is EFN a district court would decide not civil
- con policy says the guest has to approve not.the con so therefor if a guest had an issue from what I know
- of efn people they would ask and stop at no. We dont.push ourselves on people like other outlets
- the legalese on the site is a binding contract according to federal law and can be sent to court
- however Draft is too nice and wouldn't, I however am a stern businessman and learned laws to
- protect my group from being unlawfully ejected or denied what was written beforehand
- @iam_smithers @AurumNoble @NashEFN @judacris
- in this the con has to prove the reason was legal as media passes come with the ability to c
- interview upon request of the guest/attendee.
- when you accuse you have to prove lawful contract breakage or be subjected to legal recourse
- they're a company, they have only the right to deny service based on legal/safety reasons
- a PVL staff member revoking isn't conflict of interest? I'll let the VA District court know.
- and that act is specifically for consumer business relations not inter business issues
- no but doing what they did and doing nothing let's them continue to do so
- ah but there was, con passes past 5 for media were paid for.
- and obsidian winter is super against efn, even illegally posting sealed contracts online
- multiple PVL people are on staff.
- doesn't have to be, at least one company related to the staff is
- the con is made to make money.
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