[20:07:51] @LeoLancaster: let's start
[20:07:55] @Accelgor: ty ty n_n
[20:08:01] Chopskie: So uh...pokemon, right?
[20:08:04] PokeTCG gamer1288: Go and win 2-0
[20:08:06] @LeoLancaster: Accelgor is cohost since eyan isn't here
[20:08:14] @Accelgor: Sounds good to me
[20:08:15] @LeoLancaster: making the poll for starting concept rn
[20:08:18] TheEpicPsyduck: yup
[20:08:43] TheEpicPsyduck: lol im hyped
[20:08:53] Chopskie: How bout them uu mons
[20:09:06] TheEpicPsyduck: pretty kool amirite
[20:09:21] TheEpicPsyduck: lel
[20:09:32] Chopskie: You that one? That one's my favorite
[20:09:37] Chopskie: You know*
[20:09:44] Chopskie: K I'll stop
[20:09:59] @LeoLancaster: /announce remember to vote use ``/vote 1 2 or 3``, this lets you avoid accidental votes for a different option because of chat movement
[20:09:59] LeoLancaster used /poll create Pick a starting concept for the UU Teambuilding Workshop!, Mixed Metagross + Mega Aerodactyl (possibly HC), Life Orb Tornadus, Hydreigon + Fighting type + Poison/Steel type
[20:09:59] (A poll was started by LeoLancaster.)
[20:10:26] Chopskie: Hydreigon + conk + forry
[20:10:28] TheEpicPsyduck: ooo
[20:10:29] @LeoLancaster: */poll vote 1 2 or 3, I think
[20:10:32] TheEpicPsyduck: lets see here
[20:10:37] SPEBSQSA: not that excited about mixed gross tbh
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[20:10:50] Chopskie: Mixed gross kek
[20:10:56] SPEBSQSA: and hydreigon forre conk is not that exciting either
[20:11:00] #YABO: mixed metagross is beast dont sleep on it
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[20:11:03] @Accelgor: ^
[20:11:03] SPEBSQSA: So I'm gonna wing one out there for Torn.
[20:11:17] SPEBSQSA: I'm sure it is but I'm not super excited about it.
[20:11:24] The Lord of Hats: I voted poorly
[20:11:32] |html|<div class="infobox"><p style="margin: 2px 0 5px 0"><span style="border:1px solid #777;color:#555;border-radius:4px;padding:0 3px"><i class="fa fa-bar-chart"></i> Poll ended</span> <strong style="font-size:11pt">Pick a starting concept for the UU Teambuilding Workshop!</strong></p><div style="margin-top: 3px">1. <strong>Mixed Metagross + Mega Aerodactyl (possibly HC)</strong> <small>(9 votes)</small><br /><span style="font-size:7pt;background:#79A;padding-right:96px"></span><small>&nbsp;32%</small></div><div style="margin-top: 3px">2. <strong>Life Orb Tornadus</strong> <small>(7 votes)</small><br /><span style="font-size:7pt;background:#8A8;padding-right:75px"></span><small>&nbsp;25%</small></div><div style="margin-top: 3px">3. <strong>Hydreigon + Fighting type + Poison&#x2f;Steel type</strong> <small>(12 votes)</small><br /><span style="font-size:7pt;background:#88B;padding-right:129px"></span><small>&nbsp;43%</small></div></div>
[20:11:36] SPEBSQSA: I'd rather vote for a team I will learn from and possibly use
[20:11:41] @LeoLancaster: alrighty
[20:11:42] Chopskie: Is the point of the workshop to make good, unusal teams?
[20:11:47] SPEBSQSA: And I can make a Hydreigon Conk Forre team.
[20:11:52] @Accelgor: Not necessarily unusual
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[20:11:59] @LeoLancaster: so
[20:12:06] @LeoLancaster: Hydra + fighting type + fairy check
[20:12:13] @Accelgor: But it's meant to help out people who have hit a roadblock in regards to teambuilding, which is the whole point of the workshop
[20:12:22] @Accelgor: Yep that's the idea here
[20:12:34] @LeoLancaster: there's a number of ways we could go about this
[20:12:50] @LeoLancaster: lure hydra + bu conk has been making waves recently
[20:12:56] @LeoLancaster: we could go with that
[20:13:09] @Accelgor: And by lure hydra you're referring to a hydra running Iron Tail or Flash Cannon, correct?
[20:13:12] @LeoLancaster: ye
[20:13:13] %Amaroq: lure hydra + bulk up conk is probably the easiest
[20:13:19] @Accelgor: Yep definitely a good core
[20:13:29] @Accelgor: puts a lot of pressure on cleric sylv in particular, which is immensely popular atm
[20:13:34] #YABO: hydra + conk ResidentSleeper
[20:13:36] %Amaroq: cb conk + scarf hydra is something you could do if you want to go more offensive, I guess
[20:13:37] @Donphantastic: I also like Band Conk + Scarf drei, since conk does a good job of luring in resists for hydreigon
[20:13:38] #YABO: lets use something fun
[20:13:57] @LeoLancaster: yabo, do you have anything in mind?
[20:14:08] @LeoLancaster: I like the cb conk + scarf drei idea
[20:14:43] @Donphantastic: Standard poison jab/knock/ hammer arm/ mach punch right
[20:14:43] @LeoLancaster: guys?
[20:14:46] @LeoLancaster: ye
[20:14:59] @LeoLancaster: k let's go with that then
[20:15:11] @Donphantastic: Leolancaster and chat, how much speed investment should we go on band conk
[20:15:24] @Donphantastic: if at all
[20:15:36] %warzoid: chat doesn't exist right now
[20:15:37] @LeoLancaster: why not max ada?
[20:15:50] @Accelgor: Max ada should be fine imo
[20:16:05] @Accelgor: we can always change it based on how the team plays out in the end
[20:16:09] @LeoLancaster: ^
[20:16:10] @GrilledClawitzer: Band Conk?
[20:16:12] @Accelgor: Yep
[20:16:33] @GrilledClawitzer: Damn should have been here when this started so I could have suggested Steel Coverage Hydra + BU Conk as always
[20:16:39] @GrilledClawitzer: but this works
[20:16:52] @LeoLancaster: alright so we definitely need to pick a reliable fairy check
[20:16:56] #YABO: do you guys actually run max speed on conk
[20:16:59] @LeoLancaster: this team is also looking p offensive
[20:17:00] #YABO: thats so bizarre to me
[20:17:08] @LeoLancaster: what do you use?
[20:17:13] #YABO: i runlike 16 speed lol
[20:17:13] @Donphantastic: I personally only go up to enough for blissey
[20:17:26] @Accelgor: Yeah you really don't outspeed too many relevant mons
[20:17:36] @Accelgor: Like the most I can imagine running is like 167/168 to outspeed stuff like empo
[20:17:51] %Amaroq: GC we were thinking about what you suggested but decided on this because we wanted to do something that wasn't quite as easy
[20:17:51] +dodmen: drreuniclus's -1 cb conk outsped a bulk up conk and won after his opponent offensive gg'd
[20:18:06] @LeoLancaster: we can come back to conk's speed later
[20:18:08] %warzoid: max speed creeps florges that isn't running 16 spe
[20:18:20] #YABO: florges in 2016 lmao
[20:18:29] @LeoLancaster: for now we need to pick a reliable fairy check that doesn't lose momentum
[20:18:32] @Accelgor: Alright so for the poison/steel mon of this core
[20:18:33] @LeoLancaster: so no bronzongs
[20:18:35] #YABO: easy, crobat
[20:18:35] %warzoid: ok well you should at least creep defensive sylv
[20:18:39] @Accelgor: Are we thinking of an offensive or defensive complement here?
[20:18:47] @Accelgor: I think that's an important point to establish
[20:18:53] @Donphantastic: Standard Donny p suggestion of metagross here
[20:18:56] %Amaroq: we went with scarf drei/cb conk, so imo offensive complement
[20:19:05] @Accelgor: Since we can opt for something like Mega Bee that can clean or break alongside conk and also provide momentum for hydra
[20:19:08] @LeoLancaster: ye, just make sure it can actually switch into sylv
[20:19:15] @Accelgor: or take the 'defensive rocker' route here
[20:19:19] #Sam: (entei)
[20:19:26] @LeoLancaster: oo entei
[20:19:31] %Amaroq: Nidoqueen is also an option
[20:19:36] @LeoLancaster: hmm
[20:19:47] %Amaroq: since you can mix rocks with some offensive presence
[20:19:59] %warzoid: empoleon is another option
[20:20:14] @Accelgor: Empoleon/nidoqueen/metagross/escavalier/
[20:20:16] @LeoLancaster: so far we have suggestions of: entei,queen,emp,meta,mbee,crobat
[20:20:18] @LeoLancaster: and escav
[20:20:19] @Donphantastic: I don't like empo as much as id like queen or meta
[20:20:22] @Accelgor: those are all of the relevant offensive poison/steel options
[20:20:23] @Accelgor: crobat too
[20:20:34] @Donphantastic: Those two get hazards up as well as switching into sylv once
[20:20:37] @Donphantastic: and threatening to ohko it
[20:20:38] %warzoid: yeah emp could be a little passive here
[20:20:41] @LeoLancaster: is there any we know we *don't* want to use?
[20:21:01] @LeoLancaster: we'll do a poll after culling anything we know we don't want
[20:21:02] @killintime: entei=wallbreaker+decent prio, nido=fighting check, rocks, volt switch blocker, fiary check, empoleon=rocks+hazard control+fairy check
[20:21:10] @killintime: all three check faries
[20:21:21] %Amaroq: can we temporarily shelve entei
[20:21:30] @LeoLancaster: why's that, amaroq?
[20:21:34] %Amaroq: since it's technically supposed to be steel/poision
[20:21:37] %Amaroq: *poison
[20:21:52] @LeoLancaster: eh, I think that's fine
[20:21:52] %Amaroq: idk how much that really matters though
[20:21:57] @LeoLancaster: the main point was to be a fairy switch
[20:21:59] %Amaroq: so it's your call
[20:22:06] @Donphantastic: Entei does force us something to run a more immediate answer to bulky waters
[20:22:07] @LeoLancaster: I tend to agree that emp is a bit passive for what we're going for
[20:22:18] #Sam: emp isnt necessarily passive
[20:22:23] @killintime: ^
[20:22:24] @LeoLancaster: ik
[20:22:35] @Donphantastic: while conk is a fine win con against them, it cant really freely switch in and still be expected to win late game
[20:23:07] @LeoLancaster: another thing we could do
[20:23:12] @LeoLancaster: would be mbee + specs hydra
[20:23:48] @LeoLancaster: since both specs hydra and conk appreciate voltturn support a lot
[20:23:52] @Donphantastic: I'm gonna have to disagree with that change
[20:24:11] @LeoLancaster: alright
[20:24:23] @LeoLancaster: let's see what everyone else has to say
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[20:24:28] @Donphantastic: I really don't like what our aero match up would be if that's what we run
[20:24:30] @killintime: if you intend to do that change be aware you need a dedicated flying switch in
[20:24:34] #Sam: and also entei is really only forcing an answer to cune
[20:24:35] SPEBSQSA: Why hasn't forre been mentioned?
[20:24:35] jara C: l
[20:24:46] SPEBSQSA: slow volt switch is great for bringing in conk and hydreigon
[20:24:55] Chopskie: Crobat isn't an option as a switch in for sylveon because it can be easily predicted and can be KO'd by psyshock
[20:25:01] HOW3AN: i like croa tbh
[20:25:09] %warzoid: what is croa
[20:25:11] SPEBSQSA: cleric sylveon is very popular atm
[20:25:16] jara C: crobat can have focus sash
[20:25:21] @LeoLancaster: forry feels a bit passive for this type of team, imo
[20:25:36] TGF Flub: I really like nido as it can OHKO sylv, run coverage, and get up rocks
[20:25:39] %Amaroq: we went double offensive choice items, forry is probably too much of a momentum sink
[20:25:42] SPEBSQSA: i guess, but it gives you free conk switchins without having to worry about burns
[20:25:45] SliferChris: hi
[20:25:52] SliferChris: so Scald or waterfall
[20:25:55] SliferChris: for Suicune
[20:25:56] TheSaucyWench: i like mbee with spec hydra
[20:26:01] #YABO: scald SliferChris
[20:26:02] SPEBSQSA: it gets to absorb a hit and volt switch you back into the driver's seat
[20:26:07] jara C: scald
[20:26:13] SPEBSQSA: but if that isn't the path to take
[20:26:14] SliferChris: ye thats what i thought
[20:26:19] Chopskie: You can't say that a poison type checks sylv because people will run specs with psyshock
[20:26:26] %warzoid: forry isn't bad
[20:26:29] @LeoLancaster: ye, it's just a check
[20:26:31] SPEBSQSA: i kinda like metagross
[20:26:39] TGF Flub: meta would be goos
[20:26:40] @LeoLancaster: we dont' need a full blown counter, tho it'd be nice
[20:26:43] TGF Flub: good*
[20:26:44] %Amaroq: poison-types are really common as sylv checks...
[20:26:45] Chopskie: Dies to shadow ball
[20:27:03] @killintime: Chopskie check=/= counter
[20:27:08] Chopskie: I used tenta for a while to switch in on sylv
[20:27:10] cappino: you can't run blissey as an answer to sylv in this kind of team
[20:27:10] %Amaroq: although if we go bat we need a second way of pressuring out specs sylv
[20:27:14] Kairak: i'm here for the worksjo
[20:27:15] Accelgor used /poll create Which option do you think we should choose to complement the existing Hydreigon+Conkeldurr core?, Entei, Mega Beedrill, Nidoqueen, Empoleon, Metagross, Crobat, Escavalier, Forretress
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[20:27:17] Kairak: *workshop
[20:27:20] Chopskie: It always got hit by psyshock
[20:27:24] @Accelgor: You have 2 minutes
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[20:27:38] Xexex: nidoqueen, obviously
[20:27:38] Chopskie: Wait a sec
[20:27:43] SPEBSQSA: tbh it dpeends on whether you're building balance
[20:27:46] SPEBSQSA: or HO
[20:27:52] Chopskie: This is starting to look like my most recent team
[20:27:52] @LeoLancaster: probably like
[20:27:54] @LeoLancaster: BO
[20:27:55] SPEBSQSA: queen and entei would be dope on more offensive-minded teams
[20:27:59] TheSaucyWench: one vote for nidoqueen should be mega beedrill! it scrolled up as i wwent to vote
[20:28:01] @Accelgor: Yep BO is the direction we're going in atm
[20:28:09] SPEBSQSA: is that bulky offense or balanced offense?
[20:28:10] #YABO: im like 90% sure i know how this team isgoing to fill out lol
[20:28:15] Xexex: conk+hydreigon mean its probably bulky offense, right?
[20:28:21] @Donphantastic: Same YABO
[20:28:22] %Amaroq: bulky offense is what we're thinking right now
[20:28:22] Xexex: then definitely nidoqueen
[20:28:35] #YABO: and depending on last two mons youre going toget dunked by either suicune or entei
[20:28:37] Kairak: what set is conk>
[20:28:37] #YABO: take ur pick
[20:28:47] SPEBSQSA: queen is a good chocie for bulky offense
[20:28:48] Chopskie: Bu conk is best conk
[20:28:54] SPEBSQSA: and it looks like chat is going in that direction as well
[20:29:01] SPEBSQSA: the q is sludge vs LO
[20:29:05] %warzoid: we might need a run-off on this poll lol
[20:29:08] HOW3AN: queen imo
[20:29:10] @killintime: Kairak currently band
[20:29:12] SPEBSQSA: and whether or not you'll want to run earth power
[20:29:18] SPEBSQSA: or juts go bolt beam with poison STAB
[20:29:19] @GrilledClawitzer: Doesn't Slowking deal relatively well with both, YABO?
[20:29:21] @LeoLancaster: !poll display
[20:29:27] Kairak: then wouldn't SD esca compliment banded conk
[20:29:34] Xexex: always run Earth power
[20:29:34] @Accelgor: Ok Nidoqueen it is
[20:29:35] |html|<div class="infobox"><p style="margin: 2px 0 5px 0"><span style="border:1px solid #777;color:#555;border-radius:4px;padding:0 3px"><i class="fa fa-bar-chart"></i> Poll ended</span> <strong style="font-size:11pt">Which option do you think we should choose to complement the existing Hydreigon+Conkeldurr core?</strong></p><div style="margin-top: 3px">1. <strong>Entei</strong> <small>(2 votes)</small><br /><span style="font-size:7pt;background:#79A;padding-right:21px"></span><small>&nbsp;7%</small></div><div style="margin-top: 3px">2. <strong>Mega Beedrill</strong> <small>(3 votes)</small><br /><span style="font-size:7pt;background:#8A8;padding-right:30px"></span><small>&nbsp;10%</small></div><div style="margin-top: 3px">3. <strong>Nidoqueen</strong> <small>(8 votes)</small><br /><span style="font-size:7pt;background:#88B;padding-right:84px"></span><small>&nbsp;28%</small></div><div style="margin-top: 3px">4. <strong>Empoleon</strong> <small>(3 votes)</small><br /><span style="font-size:7pt;background:#79A;padding-right:30px"></span><small>&nbsp;10%</small></div><div style="margin-top: 3px">5. <strong>Metagross</strong> <small>(4 votes)</small><br /><span style="font-size:7pt;background:#8A8;padding-right:42px"></span><small>&nbsp;14%</small></div><div style="margin-top: 3px">6. <strong>Crobat</strong> <small>(2 votes)</small><br /><span style="font-size:7pt;background:#88B;padding-right:21px"></span><small>&nbsp;7%</small></div><div style="margin-top: 3px">7. <strong>Escavalier</strong> <small>(5 votes)</small><br /><span style="font-size:7pt;background:#79A;padding-right:51px"></span><small>&nbsp;17%</small></div><div style="margin-top: 3px">8. <strong>Forretress</strong> <small>(2 votes)</small><br /><span style="font-size:7pt;background:#8A8;padding-right:21px"></span><small>&nbsp;7%</small></div></div>
[20:29:36] @Accelgor: Let's proceed
[20:29:36] SPEBSQSA: GC that's actually a very good answer
[20:29:39] Xexex: on nidoqueen
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[20:29:56] @killintime: thunderbolt queen imo
[20:30:04] @LeoLancaster: I like taunt
[20:30:05] @Accelgor: So if I'm not mistaken, we're currently building around a core of scarf hydra, band conk, and LO offensive nidoqueen?
[20:30:07] #Sam: was gonna say
[20:30:10] #Sam: this queen needs tbolt
[20:30:12] @Eyan: Someone fill me in
[20:30:21] @Donphantastic: Conk/Hydra/Queen is where we should be
[20:30:24] @killintime: yes this team so far isnt appreciating waters
[20:30:28] @Donphantastic: also this queen NEEDS tbolt
[20:30:32] @LeoLancaster: CB Conk, Scarf Hydra, Nidoqueen
[20:30:42] %Amaroq: yeah this queen should be tbolt
[20:30:48] @Eyan: Yeah I've ran that before, you pretty much need that
[20:31:00] @Accelgor: Sounds good to me
[20:31:06] @LeoLancaster: also, since I've been asked: this is standard offensive life orb queen
[20:31:13] %warzoid: yes
[20:31:32] @Donphantastic: Dual STAB Tbolt Rocks
[20:31:34] @Donphantastic: imo
[20:31:40] @killintime: pretty much
[20:31:51] @LeoLancaster: taunt's nice for keeping cress/bliss weakened, too bad we can't use that
[20:31:52] @Accelgor: Also regarding the tbolt point, I wouldn't exactly jump to conclusions here
[20:32:04] @Accelgor: We still have 3 slots available so we can choose to run a dedicated water check
[20:32:25] @killintime: its just better overall taunt isnt so helpful on a team with a banded conk so far anyways
[20:32:30] @Accelgor: So the decision to make here is whether or not we want tbolt queen or to allot a slot for a water check
[20:32:31] @Accelgor: thoughts?
[20:32:39] #Sam: i dont even need rocks on queen
[20:32:44] #Sam: something like rocks celebi can fit
[20:32:52] @LeoLancaster: oo rocks celebi
[20:32:54] @LeoLancaster: I like that
[20:33:00] @Donphantastic: Id go tbolt queen and a soft water check
[20:33:10] #YABO: teams stupid weak to entei
[20:33:12] @Donphantastic: at minimum
[20:33:14] #YABO: not sure you want bi
[20:33:21] @killintime: I wouldnt go bi personally
[20:33:23] @GrilledClawitzer: I'm still a fan of Slowking
[20:33:29] %Amaroq: yeah we should probably find an entei answer somewhere
[20:33:30] @GrilledClawitzer: this is looking like an xMarth build
[20:33:30] @Donphantastic: I also don't like what aqua tail Maro does to the team
[20:33:34] @Donphantastic: if it goes celebi
[20:33:40] #YABO: also going posion over steel means lol dragons
[20:33:50] %Amaroq: we can always take rocks off nidoqueen and stick them on something else later
[20:33:58] @Accelgor: Agreed
[20:34:12] @LeoLancaster: looks like we should pick aero/ente/cune/dragon answers atm?
[20:34:13] @Eyan: It's not like we can't change the set later on
[20:34:18] @Eyan: It's not set in stone o.o
[20:34:43] @Accelgor: I feel like everyone's glossing over grilled's point too, but Slowking actually fits in pretty damn well here
[20:34:46] %Amaroq: honestly slowking does look good here
[20:34:51] @killintime: I dont liek king
[20:34:53] @Accelgor: we get a Maero, entei, and a soft answer to water types
[20:34:56] %Amaroq: we'd just need a dragon answer somewhere
[20:34:57] @killintime: but its up to you guys
[20:35:06] @LeoLancaster: if we go with a different water answer
[20:35:11] @LeoLancaster: we could use twave king
[20:35:16] @LeoLancaster: which conk/nido would love
[20:35:27] @Donphantastic: I was thinking of maybe making queen t-spikes and using a roar cune
[20:35:27] #YABO: keep in mind we still dont have a mega
[20:35:40] @LeoLancaster: tspikes queen sounds lit
[20:35:50] @Eyan: Not sure how I feel about tspikes tbh
[20:36:01] %Amaroq: we can put tspikes on queen later imo
[20:36:10] @Accelgor: Again, we can always change up queen later
[20:36:12] @Eyan: I think that's something to consider later on
[20:36:17] %Amaroq: unless we know 100% that we want them right now
[20:36:18] @Accelgor: The set's arbitrary for now
[20:36:19] @LeoLancaster: cune fits well regardless
[20:36:32] %Amaroq: cune fits everything well regardless
[20:36:38] @LeoLancaster: true haha
[20:36:58] @LeoLancaster: should we see what everyone else has to say?
[20:37:05] @Eyan: So hydra / queen / conk / suicune?
[20:37:08] @Eyan: Go for it
[20:37:11] %warzoid: also gonna need a check to bu conk
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[20:37:18] Chopskie: I'm free!
[20:37:24] HOW3AN: cool
[20:37:28] Master And Slave: cool, I can talk again
[20:37:34] #YABO: just put on a sylveon if we're committed to making the most standard team ever
[20:37:35] Kairak: would sylveon fit anywhere?
[20:37:44] SPEBSQSA: i think CM slowking fits super well
[20:37:48] Chopskie: If you wanna check conk sylv seems like the most reasonable option
[20:37:49] %Amaroq: whimsicott is another potential "answer" to conk
[20:37:50] HOW3AN: I was liking the tspikes roar thing donny put out there tbh
[20:37:52] @Accelgor: whimiscott is also cool for this team
[20:37:53] @Accelgor: gdi ama
[20:37:54] #YABO: followed by some fat grass type
[20:38:02] SPEBSQSA: gives an answer to most other CM users, colbur king can fight conk iirc
[20:38:05] xgermx: i also like slowking.
[20:38:06] Chopskie: Chesnaught?
[20:38:07] Friaza: Agreed Accelgor
[20:38:09] SPEBSQSA: decent switch for entei
[20:38:13] Chopskie: Someone said fat grass type
[20:38:14] SPEBSQSA: but ti would be nice to have 2 entei checks
[20:38:29] The GodBox: my team is into a thin line between being really good and struggling to deal with some things
[20:38:35] SPEBSQSA: but tbh slowking answers an awful lot of this team's problems
[20:38:41] @LeoLancaster: what about stun spore whimsi + twave conk?
[20:38:45] @LeoLancaster: go for a speed control theme
[20:38:45] Black 2 the Future: why is nidoqueen more popular than nidoking?
[20:38:51] cappino: ^yeah, slowking really fits well; also, colbur twave celebi might be neat to mess with speedy things (and could even run hwish)
[20:38:52] @LeoLancaster: to support conk + nidoqueen
[20:38:53] Kairak: king can also phaze with dragon tail iirc
[20:38:55] %Amaroq: twave conk?
[20:38:56] SPEBSQSA: deals with bulky waters, deals with entei, answers conk
[20:38:57] Chopskie: Because bulk wins
[20:38:57] @Eyan: You mean twave king?
[20:38:57] The GodBox: is super fang croak viable
[20:39:02] @LeoLancaster: oops, *twave slowking
[20:39:03] Chopskie: No
[20:39:04] %Amaroq: I hope you meant twave king
[20:39:08] @LeoLancaster: yeah my b
[20:39:19] HOW3AN: bulky celebi?
[20:39:22] SPEBSQSA: cm king is really good here though...running t-wave stops you from answering bulky waters as effectively
[20:39:26] @killintime: Black 2 the Future if you arent running a mixed set, the bulk is a lot more helpful
[20:39:28] cappino: otherwise, stun spore whimsi is another option
[20:39:31] @LeoLancaster: that's why I'd use it w/ whimsi
[20:39:36] Kairak: if rocks celebi, gotta go colbur berry
[20:39:38] Chopskie: I wouldn't recommend tspikes queen because people are gonna be running poison types for sylv
[20:39:49] %warzoid: we also need a cm cress answer
[20:39:50] SPEBSQSA: i suppose so, whimsi isn't the best fairy available
[20:39:56] @LeoLancaster: another thing is w/o calm mind we can run psychic to better pressure opposing conks
[20:40:10] @Accelgor: I have a suggestion
[20:40:10] Chopskie: Cm cress answer? Something with toxic i guess
[20:40:10] SPEBSQSA: doesn't psyshock 2hko?
[20:40:17] #YABO: w/o cm you dont even come close to answering suicune
[20:40:18] @Accelgor: Let's just finish up the team from an offensive perspective for now
[20:40:23] #YABO: sothats just a bad idea
[20:40:28] Chopskie: Still need a mega
[20:40:28] SliferChris: man aggron is good but nearly everyone has earthquake
[20:40:32] @Accelgor: We can always edit it after we're done with the initial draft
[20:40:35] SPEBSQSA: ye that's my thought YABO
[20:40:35] @killintime: cm colbur king fits fine on this team
[20:40:39] @Accelgor: To account for threats that we might be weak to
[20:40:45] @LeoLancaster: yabo, I wouldn't use twave unless we also had whimsi
[20:40:51] Chopskie: Cm colbur king?
[20:40:54] @Accelgor: I just don't want to keep going in circles here, we need to decide on something and commit to it for now
[20:40:54] SPEBSQSA: yeah killintime that was my interpretation of the best slowking set for the team
[20:40:58] %Amaroq: I kinda like king here personally
[20:41:05] xgermx: cm king answer a lot of things and can switch in repeatedly with regen
[20:41:07] %Amaroq: over cune
[20:41:07] SPEBSQSA: chopskie it allows you to kill krook and conk who switch in looking for good knock off damage
[20:41:08] %warzoid: offensively i think we break most stuff except for cress
[20:41:15] %Amaroq: so we aren't building the most standard team in history
[20:41:19] @LeoLancaster: seems like cm king is the consensus imo
[20:41:19] SPEBSQSA: yeah cress looks like a problem right now
[20:41:43] @LeoLancaster: cm king 1v1s cress, right?
[20:41:44] Chopskie: I actually use mandi to counter it
[20:41:47] SPEBSQSA: yes with scald
[20:41:54] SPEBSQSA: but right now the team is SUPER dependent on king
[20:41:59] SPEBSQSA: for a lot of answers
[20:42:04] @LeoLancaster: ye, we can fix that later
[20:42:04] SPEBSQSA: if it gets stretched too thin
[20:42:12] @killintime: we have 2 slots to remove pressure off of king
[20:42:13] SPEBSQSA: then ti may not be able to function in all of its roles
[20:42:17] @Eyan: Ok lets just use cm king, leave it there and move on.
[20:42:21] xgermx: but regen king is difficult to weaken so isn't it fine?
[20:42:21] @LeoLancaster: kind def looks like the consensus though, so lets' go with that
[20:42:22] SPEBSQSA: yeah i think one slot should take pressure off king
[20:42:24] %Amaroq: yeah that's how oras building works tbh
[20:42:24] @LeoLancaster: eyan is a ninja
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[20:42:31] @Eyan: Instead of being overly cautious with one team slot
[20:42:36] @LeoLancaster: k, cm colbur king is a go
[20:42:44] @Accelgor: So scarf hydra/band conk/LO queen/cm colbur king
[20:42:47] @Accelgor: 2 slots left
[20:42:56] #YABO: dragons.
[20:43:01] %Amaroq: dragons are scary
[20:43:04] @Accelgor: I think Whims was suggested earlier
[20:43:06] @Donphantastic: Krook is terrifying
[20:43:16] %warzoid: just slap a sylv
[20:43:17] @Accelgor: what do you guys think of slapping it on to check dragons+krook?
[20:43:20] @LeoLancaster: I like whims
[20:43:22] @Accelgor: See my issue with sylv here
[20:43:23] %Amaroq: tbh whims is a solid option here imo, pivots into krook adn dragons
[20:43:29] %Amaroq: and sylv is kinda passive
[20:43:31] @Accelgor: is that it's such a momentum sink for this type of team
[20:43:37] @killintime: BP sylveon/whimsi is an option form here
[20:43:42] %Amaroq: which isn't necessarily what we want on this team
[20:43:42] @killintime: from*
[20:43:44] @Accelgor: wish bp sylv is a nice fit though
[20:43:52] @Donphantastic: I like wish BP sylv
[20:44:13] @Donphantastic: and if we go whims I'd also like to suggest using it with tailwind and bumping up conks speed
[20:44:13] @LeoLancaster: whims relieves pressure from king
[20:44:18] @Donphantastic: to take advantage of it
[20:44:21] @LeoLancaster: since it can check waters/ encore cress
[20:44:22] @Eyan: I like whimsicott for the support it provides
[20:44:31] @LeoLancaster: catch maero w/ twave on the switch, perhaps
[20:44:39] @Eyan: It's nice with conk tbh
[20:44:39] @LeoLancaster: *stun spore
[20:44:44] Accelgor used /poll create What option are you guys feeling?, Whimsicott, Wish+BP Sylveon
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[20:44:49] @LeoLancaster: ye para support looks nice here imo
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[20:45:11] @GrilledClawitzer: idk, Whimsi is a really soft sponge and healing scald burns seems kind of important
[20:45:14] @LeoLancaster: uturn would be good too
[20:45:26] @Donphantastic: I like tailwind because it doesn't miss -
[20:45:36] @GrilledClawitzer: Either would fit but I think Sylv seems cooler, personally
[20:45:44] @Eyan: Close vote
[20:45:46] @Accelgor: wow this poll is really close
[20:46:01] @killintime: if oyu pick wish+bp sylveon please note
[20:46:08] @killintime: the last mon will need to be secondary speed control
[20:46:09] @Mazz: is that guts band conk or IF band
[20:46:10] @GrilledClawitzer: Team is kinda slow without Whims, though, hm...
[20:46:11] |html|<div class="infobox"><p style="margin: 2px 0 5px 0"><span style="border:1px solid #777;color:#555;border-radius:4px;padding:0 3px"><i class="fa fa-bar-chart"></i> Poll ended</span> <strong style="font-size:11pt">What option are you guys feeling?</strong></p><div style="margin-top: 3px">1. <strong>Whimsicott</strong> <small>(14 votes)</small><br /><span style="font-size:7pt;background:#79A;padding-right:144px"></span><small>&nbsp;48%</small></div><div style="margin-top: 3px">2. <strong>Wish+BP Sylveon</strong> <small>(15 votes)</small><br /><span style="font-size:7pt;background:#8A8;padding-right:156px"></span><small>&nbsp;52%</small></div></div>
[20:46:11] +Christo: what team is being rated
[20:46:13] @killintime: to fix the overall slow team
[20:46:15] @Eyan: Damn
[20:46:15] @LeoLancaster: that's so close
[20:46:23] @Accelgor: We're building one atm christo
[20:46:25] @LeoLancaster: I think we can override if we want...
[20:46:26] +Christo: oh
[20:46:34] @LeoLancaster: not saying we def. should , but I'd be fine w/ it
[20:46:36] @Accelgor: Scarf hydra/band conk/LO queen/Cm colbur slowking/?/?
[20:46:43] @Accelgor: we're deciding on slot #5 atm
[20:46:53] @Eyan: Honestly, we can just do the sylveon version and then do a second whimsicott variant, nothing stops it if we want to
[20:46:59] +Christo: i feel like queen isnt enough of a fairy check
[20:47:05] +Christo: if hydrei and conk on same team
[20:47:07] @LeoLancaster: ye that will def be slot #6
[20:47:25] +Christo: i like beedrill on a team like that
[20:47:51] @LeoLancaster: you know, we're kind of weak to celebi too
[20:47:55] +Christo: but double psychic is eh
[20:47:57] +Christo: thoughts on
[20:48:00] +Christo: rocks metagross
[20:48:02] +Christo: beedrill
[20:48:12] +Christo: drei and conk
[20:48:35] @LeoLancaster: we'd be p weak to dragons then
[20:48:37] @Accelgor: I think it was suggested before
[20:48:46] @LeoLancaster: I think we def need a fairy
[20:48:47] @Accelgor: and we took a poll and decided to go with the majority
[20:49:01] @Accelgor: so that's how we ended up with queen as the fairy/steel to complement hydra and conk
[20:49:14] @LeoLancaster: we also don't have hazard control, btw
[20:49:17] @Accelgor: I was leaning towards mega bee at first too btw but it's all good
[20:49:17] @Donphantastic: Queen is my favorite fairy/steel
[20:49:30] @Accelgor: Cmon you know what I mean here u_u
[20:49:32] @LeoLancaster: not super weak to any hazards yet, but thats' something to keep in mind
[20:49:43] @Eyan: Lets just go with what the userbase is going for (again), and edit accordingly later
[20:50:00] +Christo: imo hydrei conk bee metagross milotic crobat
[20:50:14] %warzoid: i hate bat + bee
[20:50:21] +Christo: im not a fan of it either
[20:50:23] +Christo: but it works
[20:50:47] @killintime: I'd rather you guys stick with what is currently being built
[20:50:49] @LeoLancaster: k wishpass sylv it is
[20:51:04] @killintime: I would use yache whimsicott tbh
[20:51:07] @killintime: but up to you
[20:51:14] @LeoLancaster: I've never used this set; what does BP replace?
[20:51:18] %warzoid: bell
[20:51:20] @killintime: bell
[20:51:32] @LeoLancaster: gotcha
[20:51:52] @Eyan: I'd really miss cleric support but oh well the momentum is nice
[20:51:54] @LeoLancaster: so
[20:52:01] @LeoLancaster: we need a steel imo
[20:52:05] @LeoLancaster: for sylv/celebi
[20:52:33] @Accelgor: Scarf Hydreigon | Band Conkeldurr | Rocks LO Nidoqueen | CM Colbur Slowking | Wish+BP Sylveon | ???
[20:52:38] @Accelgor: Just to refresh everyone's memory here
[20:52:39] @LeoLancaster: krook looks like a pain as well
[20:52:42] @Eyan: I kinda like cobalion, someone pmed me as suggestion too
[20:52:43] @Accelgor: I was about to say that
[20:52:52] @Eyan: Beedrill is so a massive threat
[20:52:55] @killintime: krook is far from a pain
[20:52:56] @Eyan: Also*
[20:53:00] @Donphantastic: Coba would be cool here
[20:53:04] @LeoLancaster: shuca x scissor?
[20:53:08] %warzoid: if we have cobalion then we only can switch into specs sylv 1 time ever
[20:53:17] @killintime: you can run spikes sp.def forre here
[20:53:26] @Donphantastic: I lowkey also think that T-wave mega aggron could be a good last slot
[20:53:33] @Accelgor: Oh that's a good point
[20:53:36] @Accelgor: we still don't have a mega
[20:53:44] @LeoLancaster: we don't /need/ a mega
[20:53:55] @Accelgor: Yep it's still good to keep our options open though
[20:53:56] @Eyan: Definitely want better speed control either way though
[20:54:19] @Donphantastic: Thing is with this slot we need something that comes in on bee and control hazards imo
[20:54:25] %Amaroq: we really need some speed on this team
[20:54:30] @Donphantastic: otherwise bee gets a free turn on way too much of this team
[20:54:31] @killintime: you have some slow turn it wouldnt hurt to run 4 attack pursuit aero
[20:54:37] %warzoid: so forry
[20:54:52] @LeoLancaster: I feel like the speed issue is a bit more problematic than the hazard issue
[20:54:54] @Accelgor: I've been getting a couple of pms regarding sylv
[20:54:57] @Accelgor: Want to go back to whims?
[20:55:05] @Donphantastic: I say we make two drafts
[20:55:05] @LeoLancaster: we have no rock weaks, a tspike absorber
[20:55:13] @LeoLancaster: ye honestly I like whims better
[20:55:13] @Donphantastic: one whims one sylv
[20:55:13] @Accelgor: Ik we just decided on this, but picking a last slot with sylv is significantly harder than picking one with whims instead
[20:55:23] @LeoLancaster: we can do two versions
[20:55:27] @Donphantastic: I still like tailwind whims on this team
[20:55:28] @GrilledClawitzer: Agreed on that
[20:55:29] %warzoid: what's the last slot with whims
[20:55:37] @GrilledClawitzer: Whims helps tremendously because speed issue and soft check to waters
[20:55:48] @Donphantastic: Super charging queens speed/ making conk actually be able to hit things first
[20:55:50] @Donphantastic: are both nice
[20:55:52] @LeoLancaster: spdef forry for the whims version imo
[20:56:14] @LeoLancaster: patches up the remaining issues nicely
[20:56:16] @killintime: id run @yache moonblast/giga/encore/u-turn or tailwind
[20:56:23] @killintime: up to you
[20:56:30] @LeoLancaster: I like yache
[20:56:41] @Donphantastic: I have a really hard time not using pixie plate personally
[20:56:50] @Donphantastic: but yache is also always a good option
[20:56:59] @killintime: id use yache looking at the mamo match up.
[20:57:14] @Accelgor: Let's leave the item slot arbitrary for now based on the last slot imo
[20:57:22] @Accelgor: It'll be easier to decide on it that way
[20:57:26] @LeoLancaster: so, tailwind, stun spore, or uturn?
[20:57:32] @LeoLancaster: assuming we're keeping stabs encore
[20:57:46] %Amaroq: I like tailwind
[20:57:49] @Accelgor: Uturn is damn nice for bringing conk and queen in on whims's usual switch-ins
[20:57:55] @LeoLancaster: let's do a poll
[20:57:57] @Accelgor: But I can see tailwind's merits as well
[20:57:58] %Amaroq: although u-turn is cool too
[20:57:58] @Accelgor: Agreed
[20:58:05] @killintime: all 3 support the mons on board the team
[20:58:09] @killintime: just in diff ways
[20:58:10] %Amaroq: stun spore is the option I favor least here
[20:58:15] LeoLancaster used /poll create whimsicott's 4th?, stun spore/tailwind, uturn
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[20:58:18] @GrilledClawitzer: Team in general seems a bit slow for TW and I feel like U-turn could help pivot around a lot of mons here
[20:58:20] %Amaroq: but really anything works
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[20:58:23] SPEBSQSA: i think switching sylveon to aggron and then adding a tenta or a defogger would be nice. mega aggron gives enough of a dragon answer as well as a secondary sylveon answer, which is necessary without recovery on queen.
[20:58:24] @Donphantastic: Same but mainly for accuracy reasons
[20:58:29] @LeoLancaster: we'll do a runoff if option 1 wins
[20:58:32] Chopskie: You want a team that checks hydreigon, sylv, celebi, conk, entei, krook, and cress in the long run imo. That's what I try to do
[20:58:33] @GrilledClawitzer: augh don't always make a poll when I'm trying to make my opinion known q_q
[20:58:37] Chopskie: As for a steel type, I'd recommend maggron for rocks or doublade since there isn't a spin blocker for tspikes
[20:58:58] +Christo: for anyone that wants my 1 min version
[20:59:00] SPEBSQSA: but i think killintime said it best earlier...with whimsi, it HAS to be speed control
[20:59:00] +Christo: http://pastebin.com/gKirKFQi
[20:59:05] xgermx: is the dual stab really needed? you cold keep only giga for mamo and get two support moves
[20:59:16] xgermx: dunno what you lose out on though
[20:59:17] @Donphantastic: it needs moonblast
[20:59:22] @Donphantastic: dark types as a whole
[20:59:23] SPEBSQSA: xgermx moonblast hits too much stuff
[20:59:24] @Donphantastic: is huge
[20:59:31] @LeoLancaster: SPEBSQSA makes a good point... aggron answers dragons decently on its own
[20:59:31] %warzoid: christo why is there focus punch
[20:59:32] @killintime: you need giga on this team looking at pert matchup
[20:59:36] +Christo: for fun
[20:59:40] +Christo: ?
[20:59:40] notewire: it doesnt necessarily need giga but it is one of your best water checks with it
[20:59:44] SPEBSQSA: tbh leo i really like finishing the team with aggron + mandi
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[20:59:45] Chopskie: You don't need memeblast if you have conk for dark types
[20:59:50] @LeoLancaster: ye I was also thinking mandi
[20:59:54] @Donphantastic: Christo, I am glad to see ive shown you the light
[20:59:58] SPEBSQSA: gives you the krook/eq answer
[20:59:59] +Christo: :D
[21:00:07] Chopskie: Mandi is so good
[21:00:09] SPEBSQSA: gives you hazard control
[21:00:09] @LeoLancaster: that would put us solidly into balance territory, though
[21:00:14] SPEBSQSA: is that a problem?
[21:00:15] |html|<div class="infobox"><p style="margin: 2px 0 5px 0"><span style="border:1px solid #777;color:#555;border-radius:4px;padding:0 3px"><i class="fa fa-bar-chart"></i> Poll ended</span> <strong style="font-size:11pt">whimsicott&apos;s 4th?</strong></p><div style="margin-top: 3px">1. <strong>stun spore&#x2f;tailwind</strong> <small>(14 votes)</small><br /><span style="font-size:7pt;background:#79A;padding-right:174px"></span><small>&nbsp;58%</small></div><div style="margin-top: 3px">2. <strong>uturn</strong> <small>(10 votes)</small><br /><span style="font-size:7pt;background:#8A8;padding-right:126px"></span><small>&nbsp;42%</small></div></div>
[21:00:22] @LeoLancaster: not rly
[21:00:23] Chopskie: Yeah why does that matter
[21:00:27] SPEBSQSA: also does the team have enough coverage iwth mandi?
[21:00:30] @sniper: Why is auto confirmed on
[21:00:35] LeoLancaster used /poll create whimsicott's 4th?, stun spore, tailwind
[21:00:35] (A poll was started by LeoLancaster.)
[21:00:38] @sniper: ?
[21:00:39] The GodBox: cant we let hydrei check krook and have a lucario on the last spot, id be okay with this
[21:00:40] %warzoid: why are we running mandibuzz on a team that gives free turns to sylv
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[21:00:46] SPEBSQSA: fk chat moved and i missclicked
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[21:00:52] SPEBSQSA: meant to click stun
[21:00:58] @sniper: killintime
[21:00:59] SPEBSQSA: because +1 on conk is meh
[21:01:00] Chopskie: Hate when that happens
[21:01:05] SPEBSQSA: but -2 on opponents FOR conk is amazing
[21:01:07] @Donphantastic: tw is +2
[21:01:09] @Donphantastic: speb
[21:01:25] @sniper: I was afk sorry jeez -.-
[21:01:30] SPEBSQSA: statcalc conk for me
[21:01:37] SPEBSQSA: with your fancy !s
[21:01:43] SPEBSQSA: so i can gauge the speed it would be at with +2
[21:01:44] @Donphantastic: It hits 378 speed if adamant max speed
[21:01:46] @Donphantastic: under tailwind
[21:01:50] SPEBSQSA: that's ntb.
[21:01:58] @Donphantastic: for reference that's one point slower than noivern
[21:02:00] @killintime: are oyu guys still debating?
[21:02:04] SPEBSQSA: noivern needs no reference
[21:02:08] @killintime: the obvious lst is sp.def spikes forre
[21:02:11] @killintime: last*
[21:02:13] SPEBSQSA: yeah
[21:02:14] @sniper: So this is the uu workshop
[21:02:16] @LeoLancaster: I agree killin
[21:02:17] @killintime: you have no other option
[21:02:18] @LeoLancaster: yes sniper
[21:02:19] SPEBSQSA: i mentioned that to warzoid
[21:02:19] @sniper: Fill me in
[21:02:22] Kairak: if running tailwind whim why have conk locked into a move?
[21:02:23] @sniper: Details
[21:02:32] The GodBox: sniper we almost done
[21:02:34] @Donphantastic: Because Band conk needs its band
[21:02:35] SPEBSQSA: heavy slam volt switch rapid spin and then spikes or pain split
[21:02:38] @Donphantastic: Sniper so far we have
[21:02:41] @LeoLancaster: scarf hydra / cb conk / nidoqueen / cm colbur slowking / whimsicott / ???
[21:02:42] SPEBSQSA: pain split if real ^_^
[21:02:45] %warzoid: spikes for sure
[21:02:49] @sniper: Nice
[21:02:55] @GrilledClawitzer: this looks like Sceptile food
[21:02:57] @Eyan: Might want pin missile on this team
[21:02:57] @sniper: Whats king n cott set
[21:03:03] @sniper: If u will
[21:03:05] @GrilledClawitzer: since our sponges are really soft and nothing really enjoys switching in too much
[21:03:07] @Donphantastic: King is colbur cm
[21:03:09] Chopskie: If you're worried about sceptile
[21:03:09] cappino: forre fits, but if you are using it you def need pin missile
[21:03:11] Chopskie: Run mandi
[21:03:12] notewire: pin missle is nice
[21:03:17] @Donphantastic: Whims we're deciding on now
[21:03:22] |html|<div class="infobox"><p style="margin: 2px 0 5px 0"><span style="border:1px solid #777;color:#555;border-radius:4px;padding:0 3px"><i class="fa fa-bar-chart"></i> Poll ended</span> <strong style="font-size:11pt">whimsicott&apos;s 4th?</strong></p><div style="margin-top: 3px">1. <strong>stun spore</strong> <small>(6 votes)</small><br /><span style="font-size:7pt;background:#79A;padding-right:120px"></span><small>&nbsp;40%</small></div><div style="margin-top: 3px">2. <strong>tailwind</strong> <small>(9 votes)</small><br /><span style="font-size:7pt;background:#8A8;padding-right:180px"></span><small>&nbsp;60%</small></div></div>
[21:03:22] (The poll was ended by LeoLancaster.)
[21:03:26] @sniper: Interesting
[21:03:27] @GrilledClawitzer: We also have trouble playing around Dazzling Gleam Celebi
[21:03:28] Chopskie: Pin missle wut
[21:03:29] SPEBSQSA: forre is spdef
[21:03:36] @sniper: I disagree with tailwind
[21:03:40] notewire: pin missle forretress
[21:03:42] SPEBSQSA: i like stun spore
[21:03:51] @sniper: Stun sporr is needed here
[21:03:51] SPEBSQSA: because it doesn't go away after 4 turns
[21:03:52] @GrilledClawitzer: Bug Stab Forry looks okay on paper but then we're Entei food
[21:03:55] @sniper: Spore
[21:03:56] %warzoid: you can volt switch loop between forry and hydreigon
[21:04:00] @LeoLancaster: honestly guys, we can slash stun spore/tailwind
[21:04:02] notewire: stun spore misses though
[21:04:09] Chopskie: Yeah
[21:04:10] SPEBSQSA: leo we need the speed i think
[21:04:20] @sniper: What last mon are u guys considering
[21:04:20] Chopskie: Have we considered webs?
[21:04:23] notewire: 75% is scary odds
[21:04:28] SPEBSQSA: sniper forre is a strong last mon for this team
[21:04:29] @Donphantastic: I don't like webs here chopskie
[21:04:33] notewire: i dont think theres room for it
[21:04:33] @killintime: sp.def forre/mandi sniper
[21:04:34] SPEBSQSA: chopskie we aren't offensive enough to use webs
[21:04:37] UltraInfernape37: yeah i don't use stun spore
[21:04:37] Chopskie: Oh :/
[21:04:45] @Donphantastic: I don't like mandi
[21:04:46] SPEBSQSA: i think mandi is only viable with mega aggron
[21:04:47] @sniper: Spd forry plus mandi
[21:04:51] @Donphantastic: specs sylv becomes terrifying
[21:04:54] @Donphantastic: no sniper only one
[21:04:56] @Donphantastic: not both
[21:04:58] @sniper: Whats mandis set
[21:05:02] @LeoLancaster: forry does leave us a bit weak to entei, but there's not much we can do about that; we def need a steel in the last slot
[21:05:11] Chopskie: defog roost toxic knock off
[21:05:18] @LeoLancaster: 'cause the sylveon and celebi MUs are worse
[21:05:19] @sniper: Standard
[21:05:20] +Christo: whats the team rn
[21:05:21] The GodBox: mandi will turn this team galvantula food
[21:05:21] SPEBSQSA: donphantastic if we switched whimsi to mega aggron we could then run mandi without massive sylveon weakness
[21:05:23] notewire: whats your entei swithcin?
[21:05:25] @LeoLancaster: scarf hydra / cb conk / nidoqueen / cm colbur slowking / whimsicott / ???
[21:05:26] Chopskie: Mandi could run tailwind though
[21:05:29] @sniper: Mmk
[21:05:32] Chopskie: Can't it?
[21:05:35] +dodmen: why slowking
[21:05:37] @sniper: Slowking
[21:05:45] +Christo: celebi seems like a large issue
[21:05:48] @sniper: Is the entei cune answer
[21:05:51] @sniper: dodmen
[21:05:59] @LeoLancaster: soft checks fat waters and adds an extra fight resist
[21:06:02] %warzoid: signal meme slowking
[21:06:07] @sniper: No warzoid
[21:06:10] notewire: oh god no
[21:06:11] @sniper: Grossss
[21:06:12] Chopskie: Celebi is why you run mandi
[21:06:20] +Christo: mandibuzz wouldnt work there
[21:06:24] @Donphantastic: Celebi runs dgleam commonly
[21:06:25] @LeoLancaster: hey what about gyara > king
[21:06:25] @Donphantastic: on np set
[21:06:27] @sniper: Why Christo
[21:06:28] notewire: how much does dazzling gleam do to mandi
[21:06:29] SPEBSQSA: chopskie celebi could still be running signal beam or dazzling gleam or evne u-turn
[21:06:29] @killintime: forre gives a better matchup versus celebi anyways
[21:06:31] SPEBSQSA: all of which hit mandi hard
[21:06:42] +Christo: team is slow as balls and its awkward with hydreigon
[21:06:47] @sniper: Lets analyze this
[21:06:47] SPEBSQSA: i like forre whimsi and i like mega aggron mandi
[21:06:49] +Christo: also the team is crazy passive
[21:06:51] @sniper: Ok
[21:06:52] +Christo: bar CB conk
[21:06:52] The GodBox: im goin with forre bc mega-bee still hits mandi p hard
[21:06:55] SPEBSQSA: but i think it really needs the yellow candy
[21:06:59] @sniper: Hydra is scarf tho
[21:07:03] Chopskie: Yellow magic
[21:07:04] +Stallion: @LeoLancaster: scarf hydra / cb conk / nidoqueen / cm colbur slowking / whimsicott / ???
[21:07:05] @sniper: Who a
[21:07:08] +Stallion: focus punch conk if real
[21:07:12] @Donphantastic: Stallion
[21:07:12] @sniper: Cares Christo
[21:07:15] +Christo: preach Stallion
[21:07:15] notewire: what happens when you get burnt on slowking?
[21:07:16] @Donphantastic: I'm glad you've also seen the light
[21:07:32] +Stallion: seeing it ko a suicune from full health
[21:07:34] +Christo: who cares about what?
[21:07:40] +Christo: sniper i dont understand
[21:07:51] @sniper: Nvm Christo
[21:07:56] @sniper: I see ur point
[21:07:59] @Donphantastic: If anyone mentions that set in a post and doesn't give me cred I will be salty, faxxx
[21:07:59] @LeoLancaster: we're getting off track
[21:08:01] @Donphantastic: but
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[21:08:04] @Donphantastic: back to discussion at hand
[21:08:08] @sniper: Ok
[21:08:12] @LeoLancaster: so the current suggestions I see are
[21:08:14] @Donphantastic: I think pin missile forry is an okay slot
[21:08:16] @Donphantastic: for last
[21:08:19] @LeoLancaster: spdef forry
[21:08:24] @LeoLancaster: maggron + mandibuzz
[21:08:29] +Stallion: yeah hp fire celebi isnt really a thing these days
[21:08:34] +Stallion: shadow ball or gleam are the most common last moves
[21:08:43] +Stallion: you should use wonder room np celebi though
[21:08:44] @sniper: Pin pissle? Cant we run spD heavy slam
[21:08:48] @sniper: At LeoLancaster
[21:08:51] @Eyan: Pin missile is for celebi
[21:08:52] @LeoLancaster: pin missile is for celebi
[21:08:58] @sniper: I know but
[21:09:06] @sniper: Doesnt h slam
[21:09:08] @Donphantastic: We could just run
[21:09:09] @Eyan: Heavy slam doesn't do enough to beat it 1 on 1
[21:09:09] @killintime: you can run both if you dont bother with spikes
[21:09:10] @sniper: Beat celu
[21:09:14] @sniper: Celi
[21:09:16] @Donphantastic: dual hazard
[21:09:20] @sniper: Oh....
[21:09:20] +Stallion: i dont like forry as a spiker
[21:09:21] @LeoLancaster: ew
[21:09:24] +Stallion: i know thats its niche
[21:09:25] @Donphantastic: and lose v switch
[21:09:28] @Donphantastic: *dual stab
[21:09:29] @sniper: Just saying...
[21:09:30] +Stallion: but its just a free switch into so many things
[21:09:36] @sniper: Its an option
[21:09:39] @LeoLancaster: nah we'd lose vswitch for pmissle + hslam
[21:09:42] +Christo: what do u like forry for if not spikes
[21:09:44] %warzoid: slam does 41.3% max
[21:09:45] +Christo: *_*
[21:09:45] @killintime: not running vs+banded conk is a crime
[21:09:47] +Stallion: i dont like forry
[21:09:49] +Stallion: rofl
[21:09:50] @sniper: Ok thats fine
[21:09:54] +Christo: ok good answer
[21:10:01] @Donphantastic: Stallion I don't either, but it is a good fit here
[21:10:09] @sniper: So whats the main premise here.
[21:10:27] @LeoLancaster: so unless we want to go with the maggron + mandibuzz version
[21:10:33] @LeoLancaster: I think we're set on spdef forry?
[21:10:34] %warzoid: would you rather run escavalier and forgo hazard control
[21:10:41] @killintime: dont bother witht hat version if you dont have cleric sylveon to back it up
[21:10:55] @Donphantastic: Agreed with killintime
[21:10:59] @sniper: Ok how about dealing with lo kyurem
[21:11:01] @Donphantastic: and Esca is also an option
[21:11:11] @LeoLancaster: ye we're also looking weak to reuniclus
[21:11:18] @nv: Hey Leo
[21:11:19] @LeoLancaster: escav seems super nice here
[21:11:23] @nv: :)
[21:11:24] @LeoLancaster: hi nv, glad you could make it
[21:11:27] @Donphantastic: If we go escav
[21:11:31] @sniper: Doublade
[21:11:32] @sniper: Or
[21:11:35] @sniper: Escav
[21:11:36] @Donphantastic: I say stun spore becomes the superior option
[21:11:39] @Donphantastic: on whims
[21:11:42] @nv: Yea going to be hard to chat since phone but yea
[21:11:43] @Donphantastic: since then we are literally to slow
[21:11:43] @sniper: I vote escav
[21:11:45] @Donphantastic: for tw
[21:11:54] @sniper: Due to convient
[21:11:58] @LeoLancaster: agreed sniper, doublade isn't a good enough sylv answer for this team
[21:12:04] @Donphantastic: So whims esca
[21:12:06] @Donphantastic: call it a team
[21:12:13] @sniper: Yeh
[21:12:15] @LeoLancaster: one last poll?
[21:12:23] @LeoLancaster: between spdef forry and esca?
[21:12:34] @nv: What is the team atm?
[21:12:36] @GrilledClawitzer: Really don't like the Entei match-up since this is Colbur Slowking and Scarf Hydra
[21:12:39] @nv: :x
[21:12:41] @sniper: Spd esav is needed
[21:12:46] @sniper: No question
[21:12:46] @LeoLancaster: scarf hydra / cb conk / nidoqueen / cm colbur slowking / whimsicott / ???
[21:12:54] +Christo: slowking is pretty good vs entei with lefties
[21:12:58] +Christo: idk about colbur
[21:13:03] @sniper: Leftys
[21:13:07] @sniper: But krool
[21:13:08] @nv: Yea the Entei matchup sucks :/
[21:13:10] @sniper: Krook
[21:13:13] @sniper: Christo
[21:13:17] @sniper: Its too common
[21:13:23] +Christo: i didnt mean to say
[21:13:24] @sniper: Too much pursuit
[21:13:27] +Christo: idk about using colbur
[21:13:36] +Christo: i meant idk if colbur still does well vs entei
[21:13:47] @GrilledClawitzer: You get burnt and you can get screwed by 2 flare blitz next time you come in
[21:13:48] @sniper: Ur right
[21:13:50] @nv: We have Whims, Hydrei and Conk to soft Krook don't we?
[21:13:58] @sniper: Tho id still run colbur
[21:14:04] @nv: Check*
[21:14:07] @LeoLancaster: ye, but if we face pursuit krook + something we need king for
[21:14:08] +Christo: lol good point nv
[21:14:12] @LeoLancaster: we're in a rough spot
[21:14:16] +Christo: i have an idea
[21:14:22] +Christo: ban krook n_n
[21:14:26] @LeoLancaster: lol
[21:14:40] @killintime: I think the team is perfectly fine if protect escav last slot
[21:14:46] @nv: Lol
[21:15:13] @LeoLancaster: what about
[21:15:15] @LeoLancaster: drill run esca
[21:15:17] @nv: Hmm Protect Escav could work. Helps with scouting
[21:15:21] @LeoLancaster: to catch entei on the switch
[21:15:26] @nv: Eh
[21:15:30] @Donphantastic: I like protect
[21:15:32] @Donphantastic: personally
[21:15:38] @killintime: drill run is asking too much out of this team
[21:15:40] @nv: ^
[21:15:44] @LeoLancaster: how so
[21:15:44] @killintime: youll need to scout at this point
[21:15:52] +Christo: u dont need to catch entei on the switch
[21:15:53] @killintime: otherwise any 1 mon with the righ tprotect
[21:15:56] +Christo: just get rocks up
[21:15:56] @killintime: shreds your core
[21:15:58] +Christo: and pressure it
[21:16:01] @killintime: even a specs sylveon
[21:16:07] @LeoLancaster: k
[21:16:20] @killintime: just make it a point to click slack off
[21:16:25] @sniper: Colbur or leftys slowking...
[21:16:25] @killintime: when entei attacks
[21:16:28] @killintime: colbur
[21:16:30] @sniper: Ask the ppl
[21:16:35] @killintime: team will fall apart
[21:16:39] @killintime: if king dies to krook
[21:16:48] @sniper: Well yea but still ask
[21:17:07] @nv: Yea getting SR up then scouting it and forcing it to constantly take SR dmg is how you deal withS rank threat Entei, right GrilledClawitzer? :p
[21:17:07] @LeoLancaster: I want to ask between esca and spedef forry
[21:17:23] +Christo: escav is almost forced
[21:17:29] @nv: Poll it imo Leo
[21:17:31] LeoLancaster used /poll create 6th slot?, escavalier, spdef forry
[21:17:31] (A poll was started by LeoLancaster.)
[21:17:34] @sniper: Make a poll for both
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[21:17:36] +Christo: forry makes the team crazy passive
[21:17:39] @sniper: But sl
[21:17:41] @sniper: Pd
[21:17:43] @LeoLancaster: any last comments or suggestions, guys?
[21:17:47] SPEBSQSA: christo slow vs lets us get conk in more
[21:17:57] SPEBSQSA: and the more times you get to click hammer arm
[21:18:00] SPEBSQSA: the more likely it is your team wins
[21:18:09] @sniper: Spd escav is needed. If u are b
[21:18:12] @GrilledClawitzer: I guess Protect Escav looks fine here then, nv
[21:18:13] SPEBSQSA: that being said i do like protect on escava
[21:18:17] @GrilledClawitzer: That can help with Entei
[21:18:18] SPEBSQSA: to deal with entei
[21:18:31] Count Bleck: We could always use Durant as a check :I
[21:18:35] +Christo: u would be forced to run some weird bug stab escav
[21:18:37] Finding True Love: this team is not that celebi weak
[21:18:38] @sniper: No im serious spd escav needs to be jete
[21:18:39] @nv: We have Scarf Hydrei to pressure Celebiand Sylveon loses to Nidoqueen iirc
[21:18:42] Finding True Love: I would go spdef forre personally
[21:18:44] @sniper: Here
[21:18:45] @Accelgor: Getting an extra turn for lefties also very appreciated on this team because of the lack of a spinner/defogger
[21:18:46] globofdoom: Will the whole team be pasted here at the end?
[21:18:48] +Christo: which either means u cant run spikes or beat fairys
[21:18:50] @Accelgor: I'm a fan of protect
[21:18:50] xgermx: escavalier with protect, megahorn and?
[21:18:52] @nv: Lol sniper
[21:18:55] Finding True Love: hazard control is more important overall
[21:19:00] cappino: If you want to choose between the two Steel/Bug mons, Escav fits better because it can actually keep some kind of offensive pressure up without having to rely on VSwitch (which can get Krook free entries), and Reuniclus looks pretty scary without it.
[21:19:01] @sniper: We dont need t spikes
[21:19:02] icey tea: im fuckin gay
[21:19:05] @nv: Leo did you put a timer on the poll?
[21:19:05] icey tea: oops
[21:19:06] @LeoLancaster: ye globofdoom, it will be posted in the thread
[21:19:08] @sniper: Just sr
[21:19:09] icey tea: wrong chat sry
[21:19:10] @Donphantastic: SD+ Iron head
[21:19:11] @sniper: At nv
[21:19:12] icey tea was warned by LeoLancaster. (sigh)
[21:19:13] globofdoom: thanks
[21:19:15] +Christo: lol
[21:19:15] @sniper: O.O
[21:19:17] @Accelgor: I love you too kea
[21:19:18] PokemonMasterTJ: lol
[21:19:20] icey tea: i swear
[21:19:23] icey tea: it wasnt meant to be here lol
[21:19:24] |html|<div class="infobox"><p style="margin: 2px 0 5px 0"><span style="border:1px solid #777;color:#555;border-radius:4px;padding:0 3px"><i class="fa fa-bar-chart"></i> Poll ended</span> <strong style="font-size:11pt">6th slot?</strong></p><div style="margin-top: 3px">1. <strong>escavalier</strong> <small>(14 votes)</small><br /><span style="font-size:7pt;background:#79A;padding-right:234px"></span><small>&nbsp;78%</small></div><div style="margin-top: 3px">2. <strong>spdef forry</strong> <small>(4 votes)</small><br /><span style="font-size:7pt;background:#8A8;padding-right:66px"></span><small>&nbsp;22%</small></div></div>
[21:19:24] (The poll was ended by LeoLancaster.)
[21:19:26] pigpigpigpig: im gay too
[21:19:27] @sniper: Ok
[21:19:28] icey tea: excuses
[21:19:28] LazerGoesPew: fake gril
[21:19:34] @sniper: Set modchat
[21:19:35] @Eyan: Move on
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[21:19:38] (LeoLancaster set modchat to +)
[21:19:39] pigpigpigpig was warned by Donphantastic. (please)
[21:19:42] @nv: There's our answer
[21:19:44] pigpigpigpig was warned by Amaroq. (I know you're doing it on purpose)
[21:19:45] @sniper: Ol
[21:19:55] @sniper: So what escav set
[21:19:57] @killintime: http://pastebin.com/UTeSD9tN
[21:19:58] @LeoLancaster: someone mentioned durant
[21:20:05] @sniper: Im thinking spd sd
[21:20:08] @LeoLancaster: ^
[21:20:10] @sniper: Thoughts
[21:20:15] @killintime: you need tect
[21:20:18] @LeoLancaster: like, the careful set?
[21:20:20] @killintime: cant fit it imo
[21:20:30] @sniper: How so at killintime
[21:20:38] @killintime: what are you going to run?
[21:20:42] +Christo: ur guys version vs my version y/n
[21:20:44] @killintime: SD/tect dual stab?
[21:20:49] @sniper: At spD sd?
[21:20:51] @nv: Oh nice. Esca is using Knock Off. Thought we were going Pursuit
[21:20:58] @LeoLancaster: uh
[21:21:05] @LeoLancaster: do we not use both stabs on esca?
[21:21:06] @killintime: its up to you what you run I just posted the pb to keep chat up
[21:21:17] @sniper: Sd iron head horn protect or knock
[21:21:24] @LeoLancaster: ^with tect
[21:21:25] @sniper: I mean
[21:21:29] @nv: I like Dual STABs without SD
[21:21:33] +Stallion: rest talk is solid too
[21:21:33] @sniper: Its dependant
[21:21:33] @killintime: if you run tect dual stab you get hardwalled to hell
[21:21:42] @killintime: by common mons
[21:21:45] @sniper: By who killintime
[21:21:45] @killintime: like coba
[21:21:51] @LeoLancaster: oh tect 3 attacks is good
[21:21:58] @nv: We have Slowking though
[21:22:07] @killintime: okay? then you get hardwalled by forre
[21:22:08] @LeoLancaster: w/ drill run? for coba/entei/nape?
[21:22:11] @killintime: and allow hazard stack
[21:22:16] @nv: But I like Tect 3 Atks
[21:22:18] @sniper: Cob isnt common enough plus pair with tenta
[21:22:24] @sniper: What counter
[21:22:34] @killintime: where would you add the tenta
[21:22:34] @LeoLancaster: ye we're not weak to coba
[21:22:48] @killintime: the point you guys fail to miss here is we lack hazard control
[21:22:48] @LeoLancaster: I like tect/stabs/drill run tbh
[21:22:59] @sniper: Explain killintime
[21:23:00] @killintime: crippling/killing hazard stackers
[21:23:05] @killintime: is a must currently
[21:23:06] @killintime: imo
[21:23:46] @LeoLancaster: killinte what are you suggesting
[21:23:50] @LeoLancaster: exactly?
[21:23:58] @killintime: I am just stating tect 3 attack
[21:24:02] @LeoLancaster: ah ok
[21:24:05] @killintime: will be the most optimal option
[21:24:19] @LeoLancaster: so
[21:24:28] @LeoLancaster: tect/stabs/drill run?
[21:24:29] @killintime: anythign else will allow a plethora of mons in versus steel/bug stabs as the only options
[21:24:30] @LeoLancaster: y/n?
[21:24:49] @LeoLancaster: guys don't leave me hanging
[21:24:51] @killintime: I would run knock in the last slot personally since I want forre lefties off asap
[21:24:56] @killintime: as well as cruels
[21:25:00] %Cyndequil: ur a cruel
[21:25:03] @LeoLancaster: just bop cruel
[21:25:09] @LeoLancaster: w/ drill run
[21:25:11] @Donphantastic: n
[21:25:14] @Donphantastic: the forry point
[21:25:14] @killintime: if you just bop cruel we ignore forre
[21:25:16] @Donphantastic: is huge
[21:25:19] @killintime: and itll spike stack
[21:25:20] @killintime: all over
[21:25:23] @Donphantastic: bc it spikes
[21:25:25] @Donphantastic: super hard
[21:25:27] @LeoLancaster: true
[21:25:30] @LeoLancaster: poll time
[21:25:41] LeoLancaster used /poll create escav's 4th?, drill run, knock off
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[21:25:49] SPEBSQSA: this is hard
[21:25:56] SPEBSQSA: oh wait no
[21:25:59] SPEBSQSA: queen has ground coverage
[21:26:06] xgermx: stacked spike is really dangerous
[21:26:07] SPEBSQSA: forgot we weren't running beam
[21:26:09] notewire: does escav beat forre after a knock?
[21:26:11] SPEBSQSA: knock off ofc
[21:26:22] @sniper: Please say drill run..
[21:26:23] %Cyndequil: forre without lefties is terrible. put it that way
[21:26:28] UltraInfernape37: i say knock off
[21:26:35] @sniper: Why get walled by cob
[21:26:35] ict: whys
[21:26:38] ict: this entire team
[21:26:40] @sniper: Its dumb
[21:26:44] ict: entei bait
[21:26:47] @sniper: My god
[21:26:52] ict: and the entei ''check'' doesnt even have lefties
[21:26:55] SPEBSQSA: we don't have hazard removal
[21:26:55] @GrilledClawitzer: I've been asking that ever since they put colbur on slowking, ict :(
[21:27:06] ict: also
[21:27:08] obii ♤: whats the team
[21:27:09] Finding True Love: why is knock good here
[21:27:10] ict: infernape
[21:27:10] SPEBSQSA: so we need some way to prevent forre from stacking spikes
[21:27:14] ict: just 6:0's
[21:27:17] ict: fwiw.
[21:27:20] Chatot Cyrus: what are we doing lmao
[21:27:21] Finding True Love: this team already has no hazard control
[21:27:22] notewire: ict's point is my biggest problem besides hazards
[21:27:23] @sniper: Colbur king is kinda needed
[21:27:26] @sniper: GrilledClawitzer
[21:27:28] lLodestar: can sum1 tell me how 2 play uu?
[21:27:30] ict: no
[21:27:31] Finding True Love: this is not a team that gradually where's things down
[21:27:32] ict: lefties is needed
[21:27:38] Finding True Love: wears*
[21:27:42] ict: or simply cune over slowking and then change escavalier to a better cobalion check
[21:27:46] SPEBSQSA: see the entei weakness is why i was opposed to whimsi
[21:27:50] @sniper: No ict
[21:27:54] Finding True Love: also ict is right this team is entei bait
[21:27:55] ict: whimsi doesnt do much at all too
[21:27:56] @LeoLancaster: oh that's a good point
[21:27:58] @LeoLancaster: why not cune
[21:28:00] Finding True Love: I agree
[21:28:05] notewire: what all does slowking do?
[21:28:05] Finding True Love: it should be cune + spdef forre
[21:28:05] @sniper: How do u beat oppsing cune ict
[21:28:05] |html|<div class="infobox"><p style="margin: 2px 0 5px 0"><span style="border:1px solid #777;color:#555;border-radius:4px;padding:0 3px"><i class="fa fa-bar-chart"></i> Poll ended</span> <strong style="font-size:11pt">escav&apos;s 4th?</strong></p><div style="margin-top: 3px">1. <strong>drill run</strong> <small>(9 votes)</small><br /><span style="font-size:7pt;background:#79A;padding-right:108px"></span><small>&nbsp;36%</small></div><div style="margin-top: 3px">2. <strong>knock off</strong> <small>(16 votes)</small><br /><span style="font-size:7pt;background:#8A8;padding-right:192px"></span><small>&nbsp;64%</small></div></div>
[21:28:05] (The poll was ended by LeoLancaster.)
[21:28:16] @sniper: Cm roar is popular
[21:28:16] ict: someone let me discuss when building
[21:28:19] @sniper: Ok
[21:28:20] Finding True Love: you run really fast cm roar
[21:28:20] ict: u all need more ict in ur lives
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[21:28:27] @LeoLancaster: temp voice for you
[21:28:27] +ict: good
[21:28:29] LazerGoesPew: big mistake.
[21:28:29] +ict: ye
[21:28:32] @sniper: Ict explain
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[21:28:45] +ict: my main issue is
[21:28:53] +ict: how whimsi and escav and the rest of the team
[21:28:58] +ict: just give too much free turns for entei
[21:29:06] +ict: and then slowking is the choice of check
[21:29:12] +ict: and then its holding colbur?
[21:29:22] +ict: sfire+burn+rocks
[21:29:29] +ict: lets it get 2hkod by flare blitz
[21:29:34] @sniper: Cm roar cune for skowking
[21:29:41] +ict: so imo, cune is the better choiec here
[21:29:42] @sniper: Thats my best answer
[21:29:50] +ict: which leaves the team weaker to cobalion
[21:29:50] @sniper: Yup...
[21:29:57] @sniper: Fuck
[21:30:01] @sniper: Ur right
[21:30:01] @LeoLancaster: I really like this change, though
[21:30:04] +ict: but
[21:30:04] @Donphantastic: Coba is annoying
[21:30:07] @Donphantastic: but manageable
[21:30:12] +ict: whimsi is obv the weak link
[21:30:19] @sniper: Ict raises a huge issue
[21:30:24] @sniper: How
[21:30:36] @LeoLancaster: hmm
[21:30:47] +ict: my main issue is
[21:30:53] +ict: np ape aswell
[21:31:19] +ict: the way of revenging is with conks mach which can be easily anticipated
[21:31:24] @sniper: Over whom ict
[21:31:36] @LeoLancaster: he's saying np ape is a massive threat
[21:31:41] +ict: im tryin to figure out
[21:31:44] @sniper: Oh.
[21:31:45] +ict: what i can do here. wait.
[21:31:51] @LeoLancaster: only thing I can think of is like
[21:31:51] @killintime: queen->cruel, escav->coba?
[21:31:52] @LeoLancaster: gyara
[21:31:53] @sniper: Lets take our time
[21:32:08] @LeoLancaster: we can't drop the elec. immunity, killin
[21:32:14] @killintime: just for now
[21:32:16] @sniper: I wanna hear ict thoughts
[21:32:45] +ict: k so
[21:32:54] +ict: i think
[21:33:04] +ict: killin isnt wrong
[21:33:09] +ict: with cruel
[21:33:19] obii ♤ was promoted to Room Voice by GrilledClawitzer.
[21:33:21] +ict: but if it goes cruel
[21:33:26] @GrilledClawitzer: Also temporary pls, he's a good guy I swear Leo
[21:33:30] +ict: id rather do mega aggron over
[21:33:33] +ict: escav
[21:33:38] @killintime: sounds fine
[21:33:41] @sniper: We know GrilledClawitzer
[21:33:44] @sniper: Dw
[21:33:46] @LeoLancaster: we're losing our elec. immunity...
[21:33:51] +ict: aggron can at least punish entei
[21:33:53] @killintime: we arent done yet leo
[21:33:59] +ict: with twave eq
[21:34:05] @sniper: Hows so ict
[21:34:16] @sniper: I disagree
[21:34:24] +obii ♤: if u guys wanna take the team in a more offensive nature, u can do conk / hydrei / tenta / gross / aero
[21:34:29] +obii ♤: i like killins idea of cruel
[21:34:34] +obii ♤: aero just manages a ton of shit
[21:34:47] +ict: ok so there are
[21:34:48] @sniper: What if pert is a immidiate switch
[21:34:51] +ict: 2 routes to go
[21:34:57] @sniper: At ict
[21:35:10] +ict: u either
[21:35:13] +ict: go
[21:35:52] +ict: actually three
[21:35:56] @sniper: Aero entei conk
[21:36:05] @sniper: U need pure offense
[21:36:09] @sniper: For that
[21:36:15] +ict: pert>king keep escav tenta>queen
[21:36:18] +ict: or
[21:36:38] +ict: cune>king mega aggron>escav
[21:36:52] +ict: keep queen
[21:36:56] @sniper: Does anyone objecr to ict
[21:37:04] @sniper: Object
[21:37:08] @LeoLancaster: how does the second route
[21:37:11] @LeoLancaster: deal w/ np nape
[21:37:18] +obii ♤: i think second route isnt good vs bulky setuppers
[21:37:26] +obii ♤: unless i dont understand the changes
[21:37:33] @sniper: Hmm.
[21:37:36] @LeoLancaster: I like the pert version though
[21:37:37] @sniper: I agree
[21:37:43] +obii ♤: yeah pert version seems solid
[21:37:44] @LeoLancaster: poll time
[21:37:48] +ict: wait
[21:37:53] @LeoLancaster: oh?
[21:37:53] +ict: theres also
[21:38:07] @sniper: Let ict speak
[21:38:32] +ict: hm
[21:38:42] +ict: id like to point out that
[21:38:49] +ict: mega sceptile over whimsi is a nice possibility
[21:38:57] @sniper: Huh why
[21:39:02] @LeoLancaster: hmm
[21:39:15] @sniper: Cott only niche is fairy
[21:39:17] @LeoLancaster: that doesn't really help vs the main threats a whole lot
[21:39:18] +ict: because whimsi is a poor way of dealing with waters
[21:39:21] +ict: yea
[21:39:23] +ict: not done
[21:39:31] @sniper: Ok
[21:39:51] +ict: with sceptile>whims that could mean that spdef arc is a nice possibility over queen and then cobalion over escavalier
[21:39:59] +ict: which i personally like a lot
[21:40:11] @sniper: Meaning wat exactly
[21:40:17] @sniper: For the noobies
[21:40:20] +ict: coba slot is exploitable
[21:40:34] @LeoLancaster: still not hazard removal, and now we've got an arc
[21:40:48] +ict: hence i said coba slot is exploitable
[21:41:05] @sniper: Lets debate among the uu ppl
[21:41:06] @LeoLancaster: ok so let's poll those two routes
[21:41:08] @sniper: Poll it
[21:41:12] @sniper: Yup
[21:41:26] +ict: if its
[21:41:29] +ict: taunt cobalion
[21:41:36] +ict: the team doesnt give a lot of openings
[21:41:39] +ict: for hazards anyway
[21:42:08] LeoLancaster used /poll create which route should we take?, tenta>queen + pert>king, mscept>whimsi + spdef arc>queen + coba>escav
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[21:42:17] SPEBSQSA: okay
[21:42:20] SPEBSQSA: if pert is coming in over king
[21:42:23] SPEBSQSA: it has to be the rest set
[21:42:37] SPEBSQSA: because it cannot switch in frequently vs sacred fire burns without it
[21:42:50] @sniper: Hmmm
[21:42:50] @LeoLancaster: do note we'd have an extra soft entei check in tenta
[21:42:56] LazerGoesPew: does it rly have to switch in frequently tho
[21:42:57] +obii ♤: yea rest isnt needed
[21:43:01] @LeoLancaster: over the queen which 100% loses
[21:43:03] LazerGoesPew: i thought this was sorta offensive
[21:43:14] @LeoLancaster: I like the bulky offensive rocks set there
[21:43:17] @sniper: Say what u want im investigating
[21:43:22] +obii ♤: i thnk on arc version arc needs to carry toxic to ease the cress match up
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[21:43:28] +ict: ye
[21:43:32] +ict: arc in my
[21:43:35] +ict: toxic
[21:43:39] @sniper: I guess obii
[21:43:39] +ict: eh
[21:43:43] +ict: toxic arc in my build too
[21:43:53] @sniper: But its team specific
[21:43:56] |html|<div class="infobox"><p style="margin: 2px 0 5px 0"><span style="border:1px solid #777;color:#555;border-radius:4px;padding:0 3px"><i class="fa fa-bar-chart"></i> Poll ended</span> <strong style="font-size:11pt">which route should we take?</strong></p><div style="margin-top: 3px">1. <strong>tenta&gt;queen + pert&gt;king</strong> <small>(9 votes)</small><br /><span style="font-size:7pt;background:#79A;padding-right:141px"></span><small>&nbsp;47%</small></div><div style="margin-top: 3px">2. <strong>mscept&gt;whimsi + spdef arc&gt;queen + coba&gt;escav</strong> <small>(10 votes)</small><br /><span style="font-size:7pt;background:#8A8;padding-right:159px"></span><small>&nbsp;53%</small></div></div>
[21:43:57] The GodBox: someone posted and i misclicked
[21:44:04] @sniper: Ok
[21:44:07] +obii ♤: yea this team needs it cus the answer is winning a cm war w king
[21:44:08] The GodBox: so the result is wrong
[21:44:10] @LeoLancaster: thats' fine, we can do both
[21:44:14] @sniper: Second answer
[21:44:22] +ict: HM
[21:44:26] +ict: wait
[21:44:29] The GodBox: tenta option won i misclicked
[21:44:29] +ict: i think i got it
[21:44:37] UltraInfernape37: are there seasons on showdown
[21:44:39] +obii ♤: do you guys have no opinion on
[21:44:40] @sniper: What is it ict
[21:44:50] +obii ♤: hydrei / conk / aero / gross / cruel / filler
[21:44:59] +obii ♤: i think thats another possible route
[21:45:12] @sniper: Filler has to be cune obii
[21:45:15] +ict: with gross as ur steel
[21:45:17] SPEBSQSA: we almost went that direction obii
[21:45:22] SPEBSQSA: at the very beginning
[21:45:24] @sniper: Is thst the case.
[21:45:25] +ict: ur main hydreigon check
[21:45:26] SPEBSQSA: but nidoqueen was super popular
[21:45:27] The GodBox: all routes are possible, not optimal
[21:45:29] +ict: is ur own hydreigon
[21:45:37] +obii ♤: hmm
[21:45:47] &Trickster: hi LeoLancaster
[21:45:50] @LeoLancaster: hi Trickster
[21:45:57] LeoLancaster was promoted to Voice by Trickster.
[21:46:02] LeoLancaster was appointed Room Owner by Trickster.
[21:46:03] #ADVANTAGE: grats Leo n_n
[21:46:06] +obii ♤: grats
[21:46:07] +TraceofLife: grats LeoLancaster
[21:46:09] #LeoLancaster: :D
[21:46:12] SPEBSQSA: grats leo
[21:46:16] The GodBox: whoa gratz
[21:46:21] SPEBSQSA: back to the matter at hand though
[21:46:25] PokemonMasterTJ: grats dude
[21:46:26] #LeoLancaster: ye grats me later lol
[21:46:26] %warzoid: that was suspiciously good timing
[21:46:28] MLGGOATSWAG: grats
[21:46:30] #LeoLancaster: let's finish this first
[21:46:33] SPEBSQSA: if we go to tenta and pert we still have speed issues
[21:46:34] +ict: i think
[21:46:44] +ict: if we go empoleon over slowking on the arc scep route
[21:46:50] SPEBSQSA: is that still with the whimsi?
[21:46:57] +obii ♤: n
[21:46:59] +obii ♤: it has sceptile
[21:47:02] SPEBSQSA: can we post the full 6
[21:47:04] SPEBSQSA: for each option?
[21:47:11] #LeoLancaster: ye, on it
[21:47:13] +obii ♤: hydrei / conk / scep / arc / coba / slowking
[21:47:16] SPEBSQSA: we made a lot of rapid changes and i'm afraid i'm a little behind on the teams
[21:47:18] +obii ♤: i think emp > king is a great change actually
[21:47:18] #LeoLancaster: ok obii's got it
[21:47:25] +obii ♤: the 1st version is
[21:47:31] +ict: empo>king is a solid
[21:47:33] SPEBSQSA: emp > king = lose to setups
[21:47:33] @sniper: .....
[21:47:42] +obii ♤: hydrei conk whimsi escav nido slowking
[21:47:44] +ict: uhm no really
[21:47:48] +obii ♤: not really
[21:47:49] +ict: i dont calm mind slowking is really good
[21:47:55] +ict: to paly vs setup anyway
[21:48:00] The GodBox: what the current team CAN do to win, spam banded conk?
[21:48:10] +ict: because cune carries roar, lax beats u anyway, cress too
[21:48:18] The GodBox: or is there another option
[21:48:21] SPEBSQSA: ict if cune is roar it isn't cm, generally
[21:48:24] #LeoLancaster: ngl I really like the tenta pert version more
[21:48:29] +ict: what do you mean
[21:48:30] +obii ♤: cm roar cune is really common atm
[21:48:31] SPEBSQSA: and king > cress because scald
[21:48:32] +obii ♤: prob its best set
[21:48:34] +ict: cm roar cune is the best set at
[21:48:43] +ict: atm
[21:48:50] SPEBSQSA: must be a new thing since the suspect
[21:48:53] +ict: i think emp is great for the team
[21:48:55] +obii ♤: i think the arc scep version is really solid w empo > king
[21:48:58] +ict: yea
[21:49:00] +obii ♤: it has tools to outplay every match up
[21:49:02] SPEBSQSA: previous opinion was that the set was too passive without sleep talk
[21:49:03] titansnake123: hi
[21:49:03] Little Khalil: What should I roast?
[21:49:03] +ict: it gives hazard and remover
[21:49:04] +obii ♤: mayb stall can be annoying
[21:49:16] +ict: where we could drop cobalion now
[21:49:25] +ict: and put a win condition there
[21:49:43] #LeoLancaster: ok so
[21:50:11] #LeoLancaster: hydra / conk / arc / emp / scept / ???
[21:50:16] +ict: xactly
[21:50:16] +obii ♤: yup
[21:50:18] #LeoLancaster: is where we're at
[21:50:19] #LeoLancaster: ok cool
[21:50:21] +ict: i think
[21:50:26] +ict: cm cress
[21:50:30] +ict: is fine for the last slot
[21:50:30] +obii ♤: was gonna say that
[21:50:32] SPEBSQSA: gives us a fwg core over the previous dark/fighting/steel|poison
[21:50:40] +ict: team needs a fighting check
[21:50:40] +obii ♤: cress improves gyara match up
[21:50:41] Little Khalil: This boy Azumarill looking like a retarded rabbit dipped in blue soup
[21:50:43] @Accelgor: Grats Leo n_n
[21:50:44] SPEBSQSA: i also think cress
[21:50:45] #LeoLancaster: isn't that weak to
[21:50:47] Little Khalil: Got some ugly elephant ears
[21:50:48] #LeoLancaster: celebi
[21:50:50] titansnake123: scarf darm team, I need help
[21:50:51] +ict: a set up option
[21:50:52] +obii ♤: i mean
[21:50:54] +ict: its spdef arc
[21:50:55] Little Khalil was muted by LeoLancaster for 7 minutes.
[21:50:55] +obii ♤: cm cress can beat celebi
[21:50:57] Finding True Love: I think the team is too cune weak w/ cm cress
[21:51:00] +ict: and
[21:51:00] Finding True Love: to the popular cm roar
[21:51:01] +obii ♤: arc checks it
[21:51:04] +obii ♤: scarf hydrei revenegs
[21:51:07] +ict: ^
[21:51:09] @Donphantastic: grats leo
[21:51:10] @Donphantastic: n.n
[21:51:12] #LeoLancaster: guys
[21:51:13] #LeoLancaster: later
[21:51:14] #LeoLancaster: lol
[21:51:21] SPEBSQSA: yeah tbh cress rounds that out
[21:51:22] +obii ♤: as for movesets
[21:51:29] +obii ♤: idk if scep needs protect
[21:51:34] #LeoLancaster: how much does spdef arc take from +2 psychic?
[21:51:35] +ict: it should imo
[21:51:36] +obii ♤: adding cress improves gyara match up a lot
[21:51:45] +ict: cress can be lucked
[21:51:47] +obii ♤: yea
[21:51:51] +obii ♤: so tect
[21:51:56] +obii ♤: conk is jab right?
[21:51:57] +ict: tects also cool
[21:52:02] +ict: for entei
[21:52:11] +ict: so you can comfortably switch into arc/emp
[21:52:21] +ict: i think IB's
[21:52:21] #LeoLancaster: I like where this went
[21:52:27] +ict: mixed arc set
[21:52:30] +obii ♤: y
[21:52:31] +ict: is the best fit here
[21:52:33] %warzoid: so are we dropping leaf storm or giga
[21:52:37] +ict: giga
[21:52:39] SPEBSQSA: giga
[21:52:42] SPEBSQSA: need the power
[21:52:48] SPEBSQSA: since conk is slow and we don't have easy ways to get it in
[21:52:51] SPEBSQSA: and hydreigon is scarf
[21:52:52] #LeoLancaster: are we going modest eball then?
[21:52:57] SPEBSQSA: so def leaf storm
[21:52:58] @Donphantastic: Modest eball
[21:52:59] #LeoLancaster: since we can tect for the mega turn
[21:53:02] @Donphantastic: my fave set tbh
[21:53:02] +obii ♤: i think timid is best
[21:53:04] @Donphantastic: I like it
[21:53:04] SPEBSQSA: modest eball isn't bad
[21:53:10] titansnake123: scarf darm team, I need help
[21:53:13] SPEBSQSA: because we aren't really bee weak
[21:53:21] +ict: timids better
[21:53:24] @Accelgor: titansnake123, try consulting the <<rmt>> room
[21:53:36] titansnake123: no i need help making one
[21:53:38] @Accelgor: Not now
[21:53:42] +obii ♤: i'll post import of what we have in a sec
[21:53:44] SPEBSQSA: poll timid leaf storm vs modest eball
[21:53:48] %Amaroq: then wait until the workshop is done
[21:53:52] #LeoLancaster: ict
[21:53:56] #LeoLancaster: what's the mixed arc set?
[21:53:59] @killintime: 248/96/rest into sp.def calm
[21:54:03] #LeoLancaster: ah ok
[21:54:05] +ict: yea
[21:54:07] +ict: like 152 spdef
[21:54:17] #LeoLancaster: thoughts on 56ish speed for adamant mpert/timid sylve?
[21:54:17] +ict: actually
[21:54:21] +ict: run 24 speed evs
[21:54:34] SPEBSQSA: what does 24 creep?
[21:54:36] +ict: nah u drop too much bulk imo
[21:54:37] The GodBox: id go for a spin negator on the last spot
[21:54:55] SPEBSQSA: godbox since we aren't running t-spikes anymore we don't really need spin blocking
[21:55:15] The GodBox: i see...
[21:55:32] SPEBSQSA: ict waht does 24 speed creep
[21:55:33] +obii ♤: http://pastebin.com/3qyaHsVf
[21:55:34] #LeoLancaster: the last def needs to be something for aero
[21:55:36] +obii ♤: heres what we got
[21:55:38] +obii ♤: any changes?
[21:55:42] The GodBox: lum haxorus?
[21:55:45] %Euphonos: **Hello, everyone! The tenth and final cycle of the UU MasterChef is about to end! Participate by building a masterpiece based on this week's theme:** http://spo.ink/uumasterchef
[21:55:52] SPEBSQSA: not now euphonos ._>
[21:55:55] +obii ♤: left empo's last move slot blank
[21:56:00] +obii ♤: and evs could be optimized
[21:56:10] +obii ♤: empo could run knock or roar
[21:56:13] %Euphonos: Hey, SPEBSQSA :)
[21:56:29] SPEBSQSA: we're in the middle of a workshop ._.
[21:56:32] @Eyan: Euphonos there's a time and place for everything
[21:56:34] +ict: idt
[21:56:36] SPEBSQSA: no spamming for the next few minutes
[21:56:37] +ict: we have to go max spdef
[21:56:37] notewire: whats the team right now
[21:56:40] +ict: on empo considering we have
[21:56:42] %Euphonos: (wow, so many mods along with 3 drivers)
[21:56:44] %warzoid: signal meme
[21:56:46] SPEBSQSA: notewire obii posted the pastebin
[21:56:52] notewire: oh ty
[21:56:54] +ict: arc and cress
[21:56:58] +obii ♤: how should i change it ict?
[21:57:02] +ict: could go 76 in def
[21:57:08] +ict: to live enteis flare blitz guaranteed
[21:57:14] #LeoLancaster: so, are there any weaknesses left here?
[21:57:22] +ict: imo
[21:57:22] +obii ♤: idtso
[21:57:29] +ict: rd pert is an annoyance
[21:57:34] +obii ♤: last move on emp?
[21:57:39] +obii ♤: rd pert is annoying but can be outplayed
[21:57:41] +ict: can be migitated with grass knot on cress which also hits conk
[21:57:48] +ict: but yh, not necessary
[21:57:50] #LeoLancaster: oo I like taht cress set
[21:57:51] +ict: krook*
[21:57:59] notewire: krook is annoying
[21:58:07] +ict: if u go gk on cress
[21:58:12] +obii ♤: krook is always annoying w/o chesnaught lol
[21:58:15] +ict: ur kinda forced to either go toxic
[21:58:20] +ict: or ice beam on empo
[21:58:23] pif is hilarious: what did the workshop turn out to be
[21:58:30] +ict: since u invite hydreigon p much
[21:58:34] SPEBSQSA: just finishing right now pif
[21:58:37] +ict: but the team handles hyd p fine, imo
[21:58:46] #LeoLancaster: ye, that seems good
[21:58:55] SPEBSQSA: i like ice beam since entei already has toxic
[21:58:57] #LeoLancaster: k now let's finish the pert/tenta version real quick
[21:58:57] +obii ♤: idt gknot is necessary cus
[21:58:59] +ict: so yeah, grass knot is a fine choice for those who are super afraid
[21:59:01] +obii ♤: pert only rds on like
[21:59:03] +ict: of losing
[21:59:03] +obii ♤: emp
[21:59:06] +obii ♤: and risks scald anyway
[21:59:08] +ict: ye
[21:59:09] +obii ♤: or cres
[21:59:15] +ict: not necessary, at all
[21:59:16] +obii ♤: which you can attack twice for conk
[21:59:17] notewire: there are 2 versions now?
[21:59:26] SPEBSQSA: there are 100 versions
[21:59:27] +obii ♤: nah i'll posted updated version in as sec
[21:59:30] notewire: oh god
[21:59:30] +obii ♤: also
[21:59:32] @killintime: no disrespect ict but if youre running a fairyless team idk I just dont like moonblastless cress
[21:59:38] +ict: yea
[21:59:41] +obii ♤: w/o gknot on cress, last move on emp?
[21:59:41] +ict: i prefer mb too
[21:59:46] +ict: knock
[21:59:56] SPEBSQSA: emp can run gk
[22:00:00] SPEBSQSA: right?
[22:00:02] notewire: roar?
[22:00:05] notewire: gk is good
[22:00:07] %Euphonos: Yes
[22:00:08] +ict: nah not on that set
[22:00:14] SPEBSQSA: it answers the rain pert
[22:00:14] @killintime: gk is no good on sp.def
[22:00:16] +ict: i think knock or toxic
[22:00:18] +obii ♤: http://pastebin.com/4yWKKFVR
[22:00:22] SPEBSQSA: if shuca
[22:00:24] +ict: is fine here, leaning more to knock off though
[22:00:26] +obii ♤: to summarize
[22:00:26] SPEBSQSA: i like knock tho
[22:00:34] notewire: toxic would be nice if anything
[22:00:34] +obii ♤: tect on scep to help w gyara and scout entei etc
[22:00:46] #LeoLancaster: k so
[22:00:48] +obii ♤: toxic on arc helps ease opposing cress match up and is good utility in general
[22:00:52] #LeoLancaster: for the pert tenta version
[22:01:01] +obii ♤: cress has enough speed for modest sylv
[22:01:06] #LeoLancaster: we keep whimsi and escav, right?
[22:01:07] +ict: and crawdaunt too
[22:01:09] %Euphonos: Give it like
[22:01:11] %Euphonos: 84 Speed?
[22:01:13] +ict: whats the
[22:01:17] +ict: version LeoLancaster
[22:01:23] +obii ♤: i run more speed but dont wanna reveal lmao
[22:01:27] #LeoLancaster: drei/conk/tenta/mpert/whimsi/escav
[22:01:28] @killintime: I run 96 speed on cress personally
[22:01:34] +ict: i run 112
[22:01:47] +ict: but 96 is enough
[22:01:52] @killintime: point is being slower than crawdaunt is a turn off to me
[22:01:52] SPEBSQSA: what does 96 creep
[22:01:56] @killintime: jolly daunt
[22:02:01] +ict: ye
[22:02:03] SPEBSQSA: ic
[22:02:18] +ict: hm leo
[22:02:28] notewire: moonblast ohkos with investment yea?
[22:02:29] The GodBox: killintime, scarf trick cress
[22:02:37] +ict: i think that version is fine as it is
[22:02:47] notewire: the godbox no pls
[22:02:53] @killintime: moonblast ohkos at +1 yes notewire
[22:03:06] @killintime: so when they attempt to switch in with craw on a cm
[22:03:09] notewire: then yeah id hate to get revenged by craw
[22:03:10] @killintime: they just eat a death
[22:03:13] +ict: actually
[22:03:18] #LeoLancaster: so for the escav set, tect 3 attacks or sd?
[22:03:19] +ict: i think gk cress is a necessity
[22:03:19] notewire: thats really good for it
[22:03:22] +ict: D:
[22:03:29] +ict: look at the mamoswine answers obii
[22:03:29] @killintime: thats rough
[22:03:33] notewire: moonblast is so good
[22:03:33] +obii ♤: dam
[22:03:43] +obii ♤: hmm
[22:03:54] +obii ♤: yea mamo breaks somethin for a teammate
[22:04:07] +obii ♤: i really want mb tho
[22:04:11] notewire: mamo is checked ok by cress
[22:04:12] +obii ♤: i guess its hard to tell rn
[22:04:12] +ict: same
[22:04:14] Chopskie: Memeblast
[22:04:18] +ict: ugh i guess
[22:04:27] +ict: its either psychic cress or gk
[22:04:30] +obii ♤: what does mamo come in on
[22:04:38] #LeoLancaster: nothing
[22:04:39] +ict: arc emp scep sorta
[22:04:42] +obii ♤: nothing only after a sack or like -2 hydrei
[22:04:44] +obii ♤: ehh
[22:04:47] +obii ♤: they cant risk
[22:04:48] +ict: oh
[22:04:49] #LeoLancaster: oh thinking hard switches my b
[22:04:50] +ict: switchin
[22:04:54] +obii ♤: yea
[22:04:59] +ict: well yeah
[22:05:01] +obii ♤: it can come in on arc and emp
[22:05:03] notewire: volt switch maybe
[22:05:05] echiimudkip: so is the team building still going on
[22:05:08] TGF Flub: yes
[22:05:10] +ict: i guess you hav to keep the advantage
[22:05:11] #LeoLancaster: ye, we're almost done
[22:05:17] +ict: tbh
[22:05:21] +ict: unless its a lucky mamo
[22:05:22] echiimudkip: leo what mons have you decided so far
[22:05:22] +obii ♤: cress still checks but mamo is still getting worn does
[22:05:24] +ict: it wont beat cress
[22:05:27] +obii ♤: yea
[22:05:29] +ict: tho
[22:05:30] #LeoLancaster: we have two versions
[22:05:33] +ict: it needs colbur then
[22:05:36] notewire: emp has scald theres no way mamo comes in what madman would do that
[22:05:39] +obii ♤: im fine w colbur
[22:05:41] +ict: which isnt to bad
[22:05:45] +ict: since cress always loses its item
[22:05:45] #LeoLancaster: drei/conk/arc/emp/mscept/cress
[22:05:48] +obii ♤: yeah
[22:05:49] +ict: to conk anyway
[22:05:52] #LeoLancaster: drei/conk/tenta/mpert/whimsic/escav
[22:05:54] SPEBSQSA: well thanks for the session guys, i gotta bail now
[22:05:58] #LeoLancaster: cya speb
[22:05:59] SPEBSQSA: but i look forward to seeing the final team
[22:06:01] echiimudkip: ic
[22:06:03] Chopskie: Later
[22:06:04] echiimudkip: so leo
[22:06:06] SPEBSQSA: and participating in the next build as well :)
[22:06:11] echiimudkip: why isnt flash fire chandelure in there
[22:06:14] +ict: pls dont do the next
[22:06:17] +ict: at 4 am
[22:06:20] +ict: german time again.
[22:06:22] @killintime: ^
[22:06:23] echiimudkip: just for entei check
[22:06:31] #LeoLancaster: sorry ict, we'll be sure to get different timezones accomodated
[22:06:33] +obii ♤: heres final version of cress version
[22:06:35] +obii ♤: http://pastebin.com/dEdjnzfQ
[22:06:36] Chopskie: Why does this have to be during the debate
[22:06:42] @killintime: ict tbh me and you could run a workshop our timezone a lot easier
[22:06:44] +obii ♤: colbur cress to ease mamo match up
[22:06:52] @killintime: freken 5am over here rn
[22:06:56] @Eyan: I'm considering next one during early est
[22:06:57] echiimudkip: oh i see arcanine
[22:06:59] +ict: ye
[22:07:00] notewire: i really like this team
[22:07:00] echiimudkip: nice
[22:07:02] @Eyan: Which is evening for Europe
[22:07:06] +ict: luckily im a nocturnal
[22:07:14] +obii ♤: i should be writing a paper now
[22:07:16] @Eyan: Sleep lol
[22:07:17] @killintime: I am procrastinating my studies the usual.
[22:07:18] #LeoLancaster: ict, for the tenta/pert version
[22:07:19] Serene's Grace: What's the defense on empoleon for
[22:07:20] +obii ♤: but team building looked fun
[22:07:27] +obii ♤: to live flare blitz from entei
[22:07:27] #LeoLancaster: what set were you thinking for tenta?
[22:07:31] +obii ♤: @serene's grace
[22:07:35] Serene's Grace: ok
[22:07:36] #LeoLancaster: fast scald is what I normally default to
[22:07:43] +ict: n
[22:07:46] +ict: i think
[22:07:48] Chopskie: Rapid spin scald tspikes filler
[22:07:51] notewire: doesnt lo kyurem destroy this team?
[22:07:52] +ict: phydef haze
[22:07:58] +obii ♤: needs haze
[22:07:59] #LeoLancaster: ye that's good
[22:08:06] #LeoLancaster: should escav be tect or sd?
[22:08:12] +ict: why not both
[22:08:15] Serene's Grace: grats leo
[22:08:19] @killintime: just run the 96+ tbh
[22:08:28] #LeoLancaster: ye we're kind of weak to mamo
[22:08:31] coming up tho: sd spdef double stab rest is great too
[22:08:32] echiimudkip: does the final version have an answer to crocune?
[22:08:35] #LeoLancaster: unless we go phydef mpert
[22:08:39] Chopskie: No
[22:08:39] #LeoLancaster: whcih I dont' think we want to do
[22:08:42] notewire: what happened to leo?
[22:08:49] %warzoid: room owner
[22:08:50] +obii ♤: if we dont go physdef pert
[22:08:52] +obii ♤: whos setting rocks
[22:08:57] notewire: oh gratz then
[22:08:57] +obii ♤: unless offensive rocks mpert
[22:08:59] #LeoLancaster: ^
[22:09:00] +obii ♤: which i think is ehhh
[22:09:01] Chopskie: Crocune reks this team
[22:09:03] +ict: same
[22:09:03] @killintime: can I get a pb of the team you guys are talking about
[22:09:10] +obii ♤: no pb yet killin
[22:09:13] +obii ♤: mons are
[22:09:15] #LeoLancaster: so like
[22:09:19] +obii ♤: hydrei / conk / tenta / pert / whimsi / escav
[22:09:20] #LeoLancaster: phydef w/o rest?
[22:09:22] +ict: brb i have to urinate
[22:09:32] +obii ♤: rest would be weird cus no sylv to heal bell
[22:09:38] #LeoLancaster: w/o wish support, either
[22:09:44] #LeoLancaster: not a fan of that tbh
[22:09:45] @killintime: ah this one
[22:09:50] +obii ♤: i think team is inefficient in general
[22:09:55] #LeoLancaster: yeah, unfort
[22:09:57] +obii ♤: i think hydrei conk escav
[22:10:02] +obii ♤: are good
[22:10:06] #LeoLancaster: never managed to get a good rocks mpert team yet
[22:10:07] @killintime: standard non mega pert fits better imo
[22:10:11] @killintime: need the lefties
[22:10:17] #LeoLancaster: oh ye
[22:10:20] notewire: bye uu im off to do shitty homework
[22:10:23] #LeoLancaster: hmm
[22:10:24] +obii ♤: non mega pert is an option yea
[22:10:32] #LeoLancaster: with escav/conk/scarf drei
[22:10:32] +obii ♤: could do
[22:10:35] +obii ♤: maggron > escav
[22:10:40] +obii ♤: w twave eq
[22:10:44] +obii ♤: and something over pert
[22:10:47] +obii ♤: like
[22:10:58] +obii ♤: nido
[22:11:06] +obii ♤: nah i dont like that
[22:11:09] #LeoLancaster: we need an entei check in that slot
[22:11:13] PokemonMasterTJ: cune
[22:11:16] #LeoLancaster: that's also an elec. immunity
[22:11:20] +ict: rhyperior
[22:11:29] Chopskie: Krook
[22:11:36] +obii ♤: rhyperior is that even good
[22:11:36] #LeoLancaster: hmm
[22:11:41] PokemonMasterTJ: rhyp, or just keep pert
[22:11:42] Elise: hi ict
[22:11:45] Elise: im a big fan of yours
[22:11:48] @killintime: you can run diance>pert, switch whimsi for a better mon
[22:11:49] +ict: megahorn rhyperior is amazin
[22:11:53] #LeoLancaster: oooh
[22:11:56] Elise: i truly hope you win grand slam
[22:11:59] #LeoLancaster: killintime I like that
[22:12:00] +ict: thx elise.
[22:12:00] +obii ♤: wb
[22:12:02] +obii ♤: mega camel
[22:12:03] Serene's Grace: I used megahorn ehyperior
[22:12:07] #LeoLancaster: then make whimsi into mscept
[22:12:08] Chopskie: Weakness policy rock polish rhy is lols
[22:12:20] +ict: lool killintime
[22:12:23] #LeoLancaster: drei/conk/tenta/diancie/mscept/escav
[22:12:23] +ict: thats a good one
[22:12:27] +ict: i like that.
[22:12:28] #LeoLancaster: oh this is a christo team
[22:12:30] #LeoLancaster: lol
[22:12:31] +obii ♤: yea
[22:12:34] +obii ♤: i like diancie
[22:12:42] +ict: tbh!
[22:12:46] +Christo: is it
[22:13:07] +obii ♤: what spread does diancie run
[22:13:12] #COOLSTORYBROBAT: Good...you're up
[22:13:15] #LeoLancaster: I just like phydef
[22:13:15] #COOLSTORYBROBAT: Congratulations, LeoLancaster
[22:13:20] @Accelgor: probably max hp max def for this team
[22:13:23] #LeoLancaster: (grats'ing after workshop, csb)
[22:13:28] Chopskie: Now make your name caps LeoLancaster
[22:13:29] @Accelgor: that's usually the spread to run in general if you're using diancie in uu
[22:13:38] #COOLSTORYBROBAT: Oh. Forgot haha. Glad I'm here..I wanted to participate
[22:13:38] +ict: spdefs fine too
[22:13:44] @killintime: id use the mixed spread you have tenta as a secondary
[22:13:48] +ict: but phydef
[22:13:52] +obii ♤: mamo is a big threat to this team
[22:13:53] +ict: is a better fit on that team
[22:14:01] #LeoLancaster: o dang ye
[22:14:01] +ict: yea
[22:14:05] @killintime: sigh you take one mon out
[22:14:05] +ict: im
[22:14:08] @Accelgor: ban mamo
[22:14:09] +ict: disagreein
[22:14:09] @killintime: another trouble plops in
[22:14:13] +ict: sceptile
[22:14:16] +ict: guh
[22:14:22] #LeoLancaster: what about
[22:14:24] #LeoLancaster: coba > escav
[22:14:25] Chopskie: Welcome to team building killintime
[22:14:37] #LeoLancaster: nah then we just lose to cress/reuni
[22:14:39] +ict: then u get raped
[22:14:43] +ict: by psychics
[22:14:44] +obii ♤: we have nothin for psychics
[22:14:44] @Accelgor: cress/reuni/fairies/celebi
[22:14:45] @Accelgor: yeah
[22:14:45] #LeoLancaster: ye
[22:14:45] +ict: mainly bi and cress.
[22:15:05] +ict: scizor
[22:15:07] #LeoLancaster: eh want to just scrap this one and go with the arc version?
[22:15:08] +ict: easy
[22:15:11] +obii ♤: yea
[22:15:12] #LeoLancaster: been 2 hours
[22:15:15] +obii ♤: i think arc version is great
[22:15:19] +ict: same
[22:15:21] #LeoLancaster: k that's good
[22:15:22] +obii ♤: cant think of anything it struggles too much w
[22:15:29] +obii ♤: do you need the import again?
[22:15:29] Banjo Saurus-Rex: workshop still up?
[22:15:32] Silver Yamol: hydrei/celebi/froslass/proygon-z/doublade/suicune
[22:15:36] @killintime: either scrape it or diance+coba+pursuit aero and call it a night since I see no hope for that team anyways
[22:15:36] #LeoLancaster: we're just finishing Banjo Saurus-Rex
[22:15:52] Banjo Saurus-Rex: can you send me a team link?
[22:15:55] +obii ♤: banjo saures-rex http://pastebin.com/dEdjnzfQ
[22:15:58] #LeoLancaster: ye obii, I might be behind on a few movesets
[22:16:03] Banjo Saurus-Rex: thanks mate!
[22:16:05] +obii ♤: thats the most updated leo
[22:16:08] +obii ♤: np
[22:16:08] #LeoLancaster: thx
[22:16:12] #LeoLancaster: I think we're done here
[22:16:17] +obii ♤: also
[22:16:21] Jack541: whens the next tour?
[22:16:24] +obii ♤: hydrei's last move is up for debate
[22:16:36] +obii ♤: cus i had flamethrower for coba but this team handles it fine
[22:16:40] +obii ♤: flash can be put in over it
[22:16:45] #LeoLancaster: what about
[22:16:47] #LeoLancaster: gknot cress
[22:16:49] #LeoLancaster: didn't we pick that
[22:16:51] Chopskie: What
[22:16:55] +obii ♤: na colbur cress handles mamo fine
[22:17:01] #LeoLancaster: gotcha
[22:17:01] Jack541: also obii I prefer fb to flamethrower
[22:17:11] Banjo Saurus-Rex: you forgot spiritomb
[22:17:16] #LeoLancaster: mpert seems super scary though
[22:17:21] Jack541: at least on scarf hydrei
[22:17:22] +dodmen: honestly if you don't need flamethrower, dragon pulse is a pretty reasonable fourth move
[22:17:24] +obii ♤: idt hydrei needs fire blasts power on scarf sets
[22:17:31] +obii ♤: yeah dpulse can be good
[22:17:35] +obii ♤: mpert is scary but
[22:17:41] +obii ♤: it rds on like 1 mon
[22:17:43] @killintime: fire blast just secures kill on coba as far as I know
[22:17:54] #LeoLancaster: ik but what do you do once it dances
[22:17:57] Silver Yamol: why the hell does hydrei not have hidden power psychic
[22:18:00] @killintime: and whimsi iirc actually
[22:18:06] +obii ♤: you sack somethin
[22:18:10] #LeoLancaster: f
[22:18:14] +obii ♤: it really only dances on cress
[22:18:14] @Accelgor: Silver Yamol why would it need hp psychic
[22:18:17] +obii ♤: which you can mblast twice
[22:18:18] @Accelgor: For croak? Lol
[22:18:23] Silver Yamol: fighting types?
[22:18:25] Jack541: why would you need hp psy on hydrei?
[22:18:29] +obii ♤: scarf hydrei outspeeds iirc
[22:18:32] +ict: hp psychic does less than draco
[22:18:32] #LeoLancaster: why not shuca emp
[22:18:33] +obii ♤: scep can tect
[22:18:35] @killintime: outspeeds adamant yes.
[22:18:35] @Accelgor: Nah dude that's subpar lol
[22:18:42] +obii ♤: shuca emp can be an option i guess but
[22:18:44] @Accelgor: besides there are teammates that deal with fighting types
[22:18:50] +ict: i dislike spdef shuca emp
[22:18:54] +obii ♤: ^
[22:18:55] Chopskie: Whaaat
[22:18:59] +obii ♤: yea sdef emp needs the lefties
[22:19:01] Jack541: shuca empoleon is pretty clutch
[22:19:05] #LeoLancaster: I was thinking offensive but
[22:19:06] +obii ♤: mpert is an on paper weakness
[22:19:08] +ict: it is, nothing agains it
[22:19:09] #LeoLancaster: that does hurt our drei mu
[22:19:11] @killintime: can we just accept the pert weakness even if it gets rain up, it needs some decent prior
[22:19:11] #LeoLancaster: a lot
[22:19:13] @killintime: on a few mons
[22:19:15] Chopskie: Shuca emp was great for mence
[22:19:17] @killintime: to claim a sweep
[22:19:17] +ict: offensive doesnt allow
[22:19:17] Banjo Saurus-Rex: why mega scept tho
[22:19:20] +obii ♤: yea killin is right
[22:19:22] +ict: defog+rocks on it
[22:19:28] Banjo Saurus-Rex: i feel like hes the weakest uu mega
[22:19:29] +ict: i mean
[22:19:35] Silver Yamol: Hitmonlee can take a draco meteor. Plus most people won't see it coming.
[22:19:35] #LeoLancaster: alright, any last comments?
[22:19:39] +obii ♤: i dont like scep that much but it does a lot for this team
[22:19:42] +ict: pert can be played around
[22:19:43] #LeoLancaster: gotta get this wrapped up guys
[22:19:45] +ict: hyd always lives a hit
[22:19:48] @killintime: yep
[22:19:49] +ict: outspeeds if ada
[22:19:52] +ict: sceptile has protect
[22:19:56] +obii ♤: yea
[22:19:56] +ict: cress chews couple of hits
[22:20:03] +ict: arc and conk have prio
[22:20:05] +obii ♤: mach does a good chunh
[22:20:07] Hydreisus: sup uu
[22:20:07] +obii ♤: chunk
[22:20:10] +obii ♤: etc
[22:20:14] Jack541: I think the best way to set up rain for mpert is to just go for prankster rd w/ tornadus
[22:20:19] +obii ♤: if pert is the only threat which can be outplayed
[22:20:22] Loganserge1: Best UU mega for OU?
[22:20:23] +obii ♤: i really like this team
[22:20:24] Silver Yamol: Still needs HP Psychich imo
[22:20:37] Banjo Saurus-Rex: psychic*
[22:20:39] Chopskie: Kek
[22:20:41] Silver Yamol was warned by LeoLancaster. (don't troll please)
[22:20:42] Jack541: hp psy is not necessary at all
[22:20:43] #COOLSTORYBROBAT: Who mans is this talking about HP Psychic
[22:20:52] #LeoLancaster: k we're done here
[22:20:57] #LeoLancaster: thanks to everyone who participated!