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  1. [12:03:14] The Sarge: Oh and not nitpicking or anything, the current implementation of your idea is actually mine iirc, as when you initially presented the idea, you wanted a tool and a block, then I suggested the player inventory, then one of us suggested a bag, then I suggested the bauble based bag we have now, yes you're concept, but imo my implementation again iirc :)
  2. [12:03:16] Corvus Urro: I think that's where I thought of the lemon mod
  3. [12:03:37] Corvus Urro: Oh wait It was you
  4. [12:04:02] Corvus Urro: Implementation means nothing with out the idea
  5. [12:04:20] The Sarge: I said, the concept was all yours
  6. [12:04:27] The Sarge: I will admit that
  7. [12:04:31] Corvus Urro: And If I remember correctly I suggested the tool
  8. [12:04:35 | Edited 12:04:44] Corvus Urro: I mightn't've though
  9. [12:04:51] The Sarge: But the current implementation as I said was my idea again, iirc
  10. [12:05:16] Corvus Urro: Having the bag as a bauble was your idea
  11. [12:05:58] TehNut: As he said
  12. [12:06:00] TehNut: The mod was your idea
  13. [12:06:04] TehNut: All the implementation is his
  14. [12:06:13] TehNut: Which is really what matters
  15. [12:06:21] Corvus Urro: First he didn't say that
  16. [12:06:30] TehNut: [12:04] The Sarge:
  17.  
  18. <<< I said, the concept was all yours
  19. [12:06:46] The Sarge: I have no objection to giving credit for the concept (idea)
  20. [12:06:52] The Sarge: Dangit
  21. [12:07:00] Corvus Urro: That is not saying that the implementation is all his
  22. [12:07:04] The Sarge: That was ( idea ) without spaces
  23. [12:07:26] Corvus Urro: The actual method of implementing the idea was not entirely his
  24. [12:07:38] TehNut: The "All the implementation" was a separate statement
  25. [12:07:48] TehNut: And you're right. It's partially mine
  26. [12:07:54] TehNut: And hilburn
  27. [12:07:58] TehNut: And that's it
  28. [12:08:01] Corvus Urro: It's also partially mine
  29. [12:08:18] The Sarge: When I'm able to (eating then picking up my daughter) I will try and find all relevant information to end this debate
  30. [12:08:21] Corvus Urro: I have written code for this mod
  31. [12:08:38] TehNut: I see 0 commits by you
  32. [12:08:52] Corvus Urro: and we're talking about the method of implementation not the actual coding
  33. [12:09:09] Corvus Urro: and I've given code to sarge, and told sarge how to do things
  34. [12:09:45] The Sarge: If you want to go down the thought process of implementation, this mod is also mine as I contributed ideas
  35. [12:10:11] Corvus Urro: but the method of implementation, is not entirly sarges' either, it is probably equal parts mine and sarges'
  36. [12:11:55] Corvus Urro: original concept = corvus, refinement = corvus+sarge, coding (in order of contribution) = sarge + Knut + hilburn + corvus, textures (they're almost done btw) = corvus
  37. [12:13:21] TehNut: Again, I see no contributed code by you.
  38. [12:13:39] TehNut: Also,
  39. [12:13:49] TehNut: textures = BBoldt*
  40. [12:13:55] TehNut: They're done already
  41. [12:14:16] Corvus Urro: AS I said, i gave to code directly to sarge
  42. [12:14:18] Corvus Urro: and really?
  43. [12:14:26] TehNut: yeah
  44. [12:14:27] Corvus Urro: God damn it sarge!
  45. [12:14:37] Corvus Urro: Why would you do that!?
  46. [12:15:12] The Sarge: I asked you directly, you said you had no idea what to do for them, and I got sick of waiting
  47. [12:15:21] Corvus Urro: did sarge get BBoldt to do the textures
  48. [12:15:26] Corvus Urro: I am really angry at you right now
  49. [12:15:43] Corvus Urro: I had said that I had an idea for them at some point
  50. [12:16:02] Corvus Urro: and this is my mod I madee that clear when I 'handed it over to you'
  51. [12:16:11] Corvus Urro: Or I thought I did
  52. [12:16:30] TehNut: Again, whether you claim that or not, we do not have to acknowledge it
  53. [12:16:33] Corvus Urro: I didn't want to be excluded from it entirely!
  54. [12:16:39] Corvus Urro: I don't care what you say
  55. [12:16:41] TehNut: You have contributed very little compared to everybody else
  56. [12:16:54] TehNut: And?
  57. [12:16:56] TehNut: lol
  58. [12:17:02] TehNut: You can't ignore the valid points
  59. [12:17:41] Corvus Urro: You are ignoring the very valid point that whether or not I have done anything seeable for this mod that It is my mod, I thought I made that clear
  60. [12:18:05] Corvus Urro: I have written code for this mod
  61. [12:18:11] TehNut: And again, the mod is not yours. The idea was.
  62. [12:18:18] Corvus Urro: No the mod is mine
  63. [12:18:21] TehNut: There is a large difference
  64. [12:18:22] Corvus Urro: the mod started as mine
  65. [12:18:54] Corvus Urro: It would be under my name if it wasn't under the TeamWhammich one
  66. [12:19:07] TehNut: Then why did you put it under that name?
  67. [12:19:24] Corvus Urro: The same reason soul shards is sarges' and is under that title
  68. [12:19:34] Corvus Urro: because I am a part of team whammich
  69. [12:19:41] The Sarge: Actually
  70. [12:19:45] TehNut: Doesn't mean every project needs to be under that title.
  71. [12:19:49] Corvus Urro: yes sarge you made it
  72. [12:19:51] The Sarge: Team Whammich owns both mods
  73. [12:20:01] TehNut: I'm part of Team Amerifrance and not every mod I make is under that.
  74. [12:20:24] Corvus Urro: But I wanted this mod to be under the TeamWhammich banner
  75. [12:20:35] TehNut: Then stop claiming the mod as yours.
  76. [12:20:38] TehNut: It's not yours.
  77. [12:20:40] TehNut: It's the teams.
  78. [12:20:59] Corvus Urro: It's mine in the same way soul shards is sarge's
  79. [12:21:26] Corvus Urro: Soul shards is a Team Whammich mod, but Sarge is project leader, so it's his mod
  80. [12:21:42] The Sarge: Project leader != ownership
  81. [12:22:00] TehNut: If you're about to say you're project leader for ResPath, stop
  82. [12:22:14] Corvus Urro: I intended to be project leader for it
  83. [12:22:23] Corvus Urro: but at some point I was excluded
  84. [12:22:25] TehNut: Intended != is
  85. [12:23:09] Corvus Urro: If someone steals(exageration) a car from me does that mean that that car is no longer mine?
  86. [12:23:11] The Sarge: No, I asked to take over respath since you were focused on lemons
  87. [12:23:24] The Sarge: You agreed
  88. [12:24:02] Corvus Urro: And said that it was still my mod
  89. [12:24:08] Corvus Urro: can you give me a quote?
  90. [12:24:32] TehNut: You're the one trying to prove something
  91. [12:24:38] TehNut: It's your job to provide the quotes
  92. [12:24:56] The Sarge: Can't quote on phone & out
  93. [12:25:42] Corvus Urro: I just wanted the word so I could find it
  94. [12:26:27] The Sarge: If you want
  95. [12:26:36] Corvus Urro: With you focusing on the lemon mod, shall I take over / focus on Res Rand?
  96. [5/05/2015 7:33:48 PM] Corvus Urro: It's still my mod(because it was my idea and all), but yeah I've not done anything with it re
  97. [12:27:18] The Sarge: I'll remove respath from team whammich, but the code belongs to team whammich and myself (and the others who contributed)
  98. [12:27:18] TehNut: I love how you're still trying to claim ownership of it
  99. [12:27:46] Corvus Urro: Why wold you do that sarge?
  100. [12:28:01] Corvus Urro: And why wouldn't I?
  101. [12:28:12] TehNut: Because it is the teams mod
  102. [12:28:18] TehNut: As we just covered 5 minutes ago
  103. [12:28:47] Corvus Urro: Do I have to put "my mod" in quotes every time I say it?
  104. [12:29:19] TehNut: Or just stop saying it?
  105. [12:30:05] Corvus Urro: And say something that doesn't flow as well?
  106. [12:30:23] TehNut: "our" doesn't flow as well?
  107. [12:32:18] Corvus Urro: No I am claiming that I never reliquished contol of the mod as project leader,
  108.  
  109. So instead of me saying
  110. "This is supposed to be 'my mod'"
  111. I would say
  112. "This mod is supposed to be governed by me"
  113. [12:32:30] Corvus Urro: do you see how saying 'my mod' flows better?
  114. [12:32:45] TehNut: "supposed to be"
  115. [12:32:49] TehNut: Keyword
  116. [12:33:00] Corvus Urro: Enough with the semantics!
  117. [12:33:18] Corvus Urro: that was just a example statement
  118. [12:33:40] Corvus Urro: would you like me to replace it with another example that does't have supposed to be in it?
  119. [12:33:59] TehNut: No, because your argument does not stand
  120. [12:34:29] TehNut: Other than the initial idea, very little of the mod has anything to really do with you
  121. [12:34:51] Corvus Urro: My argument is that it was geverned by me and I never said anything about letting anybody else govern this mod
  122. [12:35:00] TehNut: Alright then
  123. [12:35:07] *** TehNut forks the repository ***
  124. [12:35:12] *** TehNut makes some changes ***
  125. [12:35:12] Corvus Urro: and it's not my fault very little of this mod has to do with me
  126. [12:35:19] Corvus Urro: I intended to lead the project
  127. [12:35:23] TehNut: Alright guys, I have this new mod called "Resonant Pather"
  128. [12:35:27] TehNut: Who wants to help?
  129. [12:35:38] Corvus Urro: but sarge took control
  130. [12:36:17] Corvus Urro: My point is sarge took more control then I intended to give him
  131. [12:37:08] Corvus Urro: can you respond to that last statement?
  132. [12:37:40] TehNut: Hm? Sorry, doing important things
  133. [12:37:50] TehNut: He took control because you gave him control
  134. [12:38:16] TehNut: When you "passed it on" you said "It's still my mod" not "I'm still in charge"
  135. [12:38:18] TehNut: Difference there
  136. [12:38:22] TehNut: It is the teams mod
  137. [12:38:26] TehNut: You passed 100% control to him
  138. [12:38:38] Corvus Urro: to use an analogy that would be like letting someone drive your car, only to find out a month later that he claimed it to be his car
  139. [12:38:38] TehNut: Your argument does not stand
  140. [12:38:46] Corvus Urro: My argument does stand
  141. [12:39:10] Corvus Urro: Sarge should not have phased me out completely
  142. [12:39:41] TehNut: There is a huge difference between a car that has a pink slip saying PERSON OWNS THIS CAR and a piece of software that says ANYBODY CAN DO WHAT THEY WANT WITH THIS
  143. [12:40:19] Corvus Urro: This is almost definatly going to give me another mental breakdown...
  144. [12:45:22] Corvus Urro: I have one thing to say. I INTEND FOR THIS MOD TO BE MINE, I WOULD VERY MUCH LIKE TO TAKe CONTROL OF IT AGAIN. THIS MEANS THAT EVERYTHING WILL REMAIN MOSTLY THE SAME. BUT THAT I ACTUALLY HAVE AN OPINION ON THINGS AGAIN. THINGS MUST AT LEAST ME MENTIONED TO ME AT SOME POINT WITHIN ABOUT A DAY OF IT HAPPENING, I WILL NOW KEEP TRACK OF THE REPOSITORY.
  145.  
  146. I do not think this is unreasonable, I am simply trying to retake control of something.
  147. [12:46:59] Corvus Urro: I was project leader on this mod for more then half of it's life
  148. [12:47:20] The Sarge: Okay 2 points, initially you made me assistant manager to the project, then you gave me permission to "take over" the project because you were busy with Le-Mons
  149. [12:47:44] Corvus Urro: so if you wish think of it like this instead, I was on a hiatus for 2 days, and I'm back now
  150. [12:48:14] The Sarge: And secondly, the code belongs to myself and the team, no one can take ownership of the code without significant changes (iirc)
  151. [12:48:28] TehNut: You can't take ownership of the code period
  152. [12:48:31] TehNut: You can just use it
  153. [12:48:34] The Sarge: And without written permission (again iirc)
  154. [12:48:41] TehNut: All the code 100% belongs to TW
  155. [12:48:58] Corvus Urro: I am part of TW so it belongs to be correct?
  156. [12:49:07] TehNut: No
  157. [12:49:14] Corvus Urro: As long as I'm acting withing TW
  158. [12:49:15] TehNut: It belongs to the team in general, no single person.
  159. [12:50:19] Corvus Urro: I still am taking back leadership of the project
  160. [12:51:16] Corvus Urro: Sarge if you object to that state it here and also message me personally so we can discuss it without Knut also stating his opinion
  161. [12:51:46] Corvus Urro: I say this because it should only have to be a discussion between you and me
  162. [12:52:04] TehNut: shrug
  163. [12:52:39] The Sarge: It's a team mod, nut has contributed to the team as well as towards the mod in question he has rights to his opinions to be expressed in regards to this topic
  164. [12:53:15] TehNut: My opinions aren't the popular ones but usually come out as the most reasonable/"best"
  165. [12:53:32] TehNut: I'm just a blunt little fucker
  166. [12:54:46] The Sarge: If you want to reinstate yourself as project leader for ResPather, then the team & those who've contributed code will need to vote on it
  167. [12:55:01] The Sarge: Sound fair?
  168. [12:55:06] Corvus Urro: Almost
  169. [12:55:29] Corvus Urro: I have one condition
  170. [12:55:43] The Sarge: So it'll be the team, nut, Tomben and hilburn
  171. [12:56:52] Corvus Urro: They must be aware of the changes that I bring and the reason for the change
  172. [12:57:21] TehNut: Let me put it this way
  173. [12:57:30] TehNut: If you try to claim ownership of code that isn't yours again
  174. [12:57:35] TehNut: I'm forking and releasing as my own mod.
  175. [12:57:41] TehNut: Period.
  176. [12:57:45] Corvus Urro: Okay
  177. [12:57:48] The Sarge: If they agree to you been project leader you won't need to inform them, as they've given permission for the code
  178. [12:58:22] Corvus Urro: I never intended to claim the code as my own.
  179. [12:58:26] Corvus Urro: And I never will
  180. [12:58:36] TehNut: You claimed the entire mod as your own
  181. [12:58:36] Corvus Urro: I am only claiming the code that is mine as mine
  182. [12:58:38] TehNut: Multiple times.
  183. [12:58:45] TehNut: The mod includes the code.
  184. [12:58:53] Corvus Urro: My conveyance skills are not the best
  185. [12:59:00] Corvus Urro: So please forgive that slip
  186. [12:59:21] Corvus Urro: I did try to make it clear what I meant when I said "my mod" more then once
  187. [13:00:54] The Sarge: And I've held up your claims by admitting and agreeing that the idea behind the mod is yours
  188. [13:01:55] The Sarge: As well as mine, as I contributed to the ideas as well
  189. [13:03:35] Corvus Urro: Anyway what I want to tell the people before they vote is this:
  190. "nothing much will change.
  191. Corvus was the project leader until 2-3 days ago
  192. Corvus want's to be reinstated as project leader as he doesn't like being excluded from a mod based on his ideas.
  193. Corvus intends to help code the mod and always has, but has a bit on his plate right now.
  194. Corvus will be sad about BBoldt doing the textures, mostly because they look better then what Corvus was going to do.
  195. Corvus thinks it's weird talking/writing in third person for this long."
  196. [13:03:46] Corvus Urro: You can remove that bottom line
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