Kinyajuu chat

Kinyajuu: Hey ya, just an update, next patch will have the RWG Previewer under the old Create World Button (now named "Editing Tools")
Kinyajuu: rwg mixer.xml has, at the bottom, the terrain and noise gen xml. It's based on libnoise and any non shape module is usable, just follow the naming conventions from the online libnoise doc but apply it to xml.
Kinyajuu: the Biome spawn rules use the numbers from the output of the BiomeGenerator.
Kinyajuu: then with this next patch and the RWG Viewer you may edit the xml WHILE the game is running, click refresh at the top right and it will reload the xml and regenerate the preview. :)
Kinyajuu: Enjoy bud, figured I would let you know first as I tend to like to do. Have a great day!
Kinyajuu: "rwg mixer.xml has, at the bottom, the terrain and noise gen" *and biome gen xml, not noise gen
Kinyajuu: if you have any questions at all let me know :)
Kinyajuu: *note, be sure to use the clamp function as your last output to keep it from breaking, can't go all the way to 255 because of deco so keep it trimmed down to about 180 so the 40 trees have room to be placed as well as any usual wilderness POI
Valmar: Hello Kin. Sorry for the delay. I thank you for the heads up, its much appreciated.
Kinyajuu: np, I figured you might get a kick out of that
Kinyajuu: I've got rick and joel on board to start letting loose some of the tools
Kinyajuu: the dev UMA Archtype editor is next :)
Kinyajuu: *Archetype
Valmar: Thats some great news indeed. I was hoping for the UMA editor specifically myself.
Kinyajuu: it also has a live refresh
Kinyajuu: change xml, refresh viewer
Kinyajuu: :)
Valmar: Im curious about something with the UMA, actually
Kinyajuu: all the tools I make will be like this
Kinyajuu: sure, go for it
Valmar: I understand having too many UMA zombies puts more strain on memory or what have you due to the assets loaded
Kinyajuu: kind of
Kinyajuu: they use RenderTextures
Valmar: but if two zombies are wearing the same shirt only with different color overlays, does it sitll "count" as two seperate ones?
Kinyajuu: so it depends on VRAM
Kinyajuu: not technically no
Kinyajuu: the Render Texture gets dropped into a save list
Kinyajuu: then isn't released until no uma toon is carrying it
Valmar: So, in theory, as long as they're all wearing the same clothes with only different color overlays they wouldn't take up any more "space" than having a single one?
Kinyajuu: so it SHOULD be one instance of a "same" texture
Kinyajuu: color overlays will do it too
Kinyajuu: due to how uma is built
Kinyajuu: it chunks the tex together and takes a "picture"
Kinyajuu: with color in place on the tex that's taken
Valmar: I see, so it would make a difference then? On vram usage?
Kinyajuu: nope
Kinyajuu: I've dropped 20 old timers in a test map and it had no hit other than the first one
Kinyajuu: nothing in profiler saying tex ram went up
Valmar: Yes, but they're all using the same identical set, correct?
Kinyajuu: and I'm on a GTX 760 4Gig VRAM
Kinyajuu: yep
Valmar: But if they all had a different color overlay
Kinyajuu: multiples might eat up a bit more but at FULL texture size they are baked at 4096
Valmar: It would impact it due to how UMA works ?
Kinyajuu: if diff color overlay then yes it'll be different
Kinyajuu: I'm still working on a "startup uma tex bake" for things that don't use equipment
Kinyajuu: but it's still in baby stages
Kinyajuu: lots to recode in UMA
Kinyajuu: lol I've gutted about 50% of it at this point
Valmar: I bet that was fun lol
Valmar: Thrilled to see the light toggle property, btw.
Kinyajuu: each time you see them getting better it's from me going in and rewriting the code to match how WE use it
Kinyajuu: light toggle? mining helmet?
Kinyajuu: or block toggle
Valmar: No, not quite. The light blocks. The switch
Kinyajuu: ahh yeah
Valmar: I forget the exact term used for it
Valmar: But its great to have it.
Kinyajuu: oh, another fun thing, not sure how to let you guys use it yet
Kinyajuu: ANY block can now be turned into a container
Kinyajuu: provided it has the TE Loot Container in that spot
Valmar: Even blocks that already have classes, you mean?
Kinyajuu: I moved it into the base block code :)
Kinyajuu: yep
Kinyajuu: the corpse block is a "GrowBlock"
Kinyajuu: that upgrades
Kinyajuu: but as you can see when looting even they have a TE
Kinyajuu: all we have to do is set one on server and client and it's good to go
Kinyajuu: going to expose that in some way, just not sure how yet
Kinyajuu: "Hidden Stash Box" or something
Valmar: I wonder how that would jive with workstation interaction
Kinyajuu: super expensive and rare
Kinyajuu: hmm
Valmar: As both use the same prompt key to access I believe
Kinyajuu: that I'm not sure, the workbenches have a TE of their own
Kinyajuu: don't think it can have two in the same spot
Kinyajuu: but maybe the child?
Kinyajuu: eg; one side of the bench
Kinyajuu: no idea there though
Valmar: I didnt know the bench had two sides.
Kinyajuu: it's a multiblock model
Valmar: Though it is a multiblock I think
Valmar: So that makes sense
Kinyajuu: it has the block the model belongs to, and a placeholder block that points to it's parent
Kinyajuu: to say "this is taken, defer to my parent"
Kinyajuu: bandits and survivors can also be turned on, their AI isn't good yet but you can flip em on
Kinyajuu: just add to spawn defs
Valmar: How difficult would it be to have it so if you hold down the access button it will open it like a container but if you just tap it then it will open the workbench's crafting interface?
Kinyajuu: it would take me resorting the interaction array
Kinyajuu: loot container sits on index 1
Kinyajuu: it's possible but not without code support
Kinyajuu: and I'm back on RWG for now :)
Valmar: Also I noticed the spawnTrader block has a spawnClass to work with trader npcs. What exactly is this block used for?
Kinyajuu: it spawns an NPC i guess
Kinyajuu: Prime and Mr. Lang made that bad boy
Valmar: Will you be working on that new... was it called socket system? with RWG?
Kinyajuu: working on road trim at hubs and sockets yeah
Kinyajuu: sockets = Diablo inventory but with houses instead of varied size items
Valmar: Joel mentioned it in one of his videos. I like the idea a lot more than the current "big square town" approach with prefabs
Kinyajuu: yep, it's more natural
Kinyajuu: I just have some old trimming code that I've been using forever that needs to work together better
Valmar: How feasible would it  be to create a trench on both sides of the road? That could add a little flavor of realism, I think.
Kinyajuu: eg, where ever I drop a plot, run the road to height and along the frontage at height
Kinyajuu: the world will  be full of stuff then, more spread out, but more stuff
Kinyajuu: even roadside gas stations and such
Kinyajuu: just gotta figure how I want to average the trim between lots and against the road trim
Kinyajuu: and add a driveway point to all POIs so I have a "lagrange" point to connect to
Valmar: I wonder how Magoli will handle this with his prefab pack lol
Kinyajuu: well
Kinyajuu: sockets will spawn ANYTHING
Kinyajuu: they don't give a crap
Kinyajuu: if there are enough 21x21 meter sockets for it to fit in, then it'll spawn
Kinyajuu: 100x100 prefab, ~5x5 sockets
Valmar: Will we still see some of the currently made "big square lot" POIs for hubs and the like, or will everything be converted over to the new system?
Kinyajuu: not 100% sure yet
Kinyajuu: talking to rick about special road socket bits at 21x21
Kinyajuu: with medians and sidewalks built into the road
Kinyajuu: but yeah, I have a lot of bits and bobs to work out
Kinyajuu: it's "working" just not to my standard yet
Kinyajuu: smoothing out those turns and connections for roads is higher on the list atm
Kinyajuu: once I can get those nice and smooth then I'm about done aside from sockets and MAYBE bridges/tunnels
Kinyajuu: and socket caves
Valmar: What benefit would socket caves give?
Kinyajuu: sockets let me know if I'm by a mountain
Kinyajuu: so I run my caves using the midpoints of the sockets
Kinyajuu: with faux vertical sockets
Kinyajuu: basically a giant 21x21 meter grid
Valmar: So we might see a return of the old cave systems in random gen?
Kinyajuu: so no more digging down for caves
Kinyajuu: Yes sir
Kinyajuu: that's the plan
Kinyajuu: big cave systems inside of mountain ranges
Kinyajuu: small ones in large hills, etc
Valmar: It would be intelligent enough to know to place the cave system in a mountain then?
Kinyajuu: yep, hence the sockets
Kinyajuu: if next cave point Y is less than socket height at x,z then go ahead
Kinyajuu: so it'll be able to move around so long as it stays under the top socket height
Valmar: And performance with caves shouldn't be a problem now that the map generates itself on the initial load?
Kinyajuu: and ofc, I'll use midpoint offsets so it doesn't look "grid like"
Kinyajuu: they still might be a slight issue, BUT
Valmar: I seem to recall that being mentioned as a cause for the old cave system being removed. Unless I heard wrong.
Kinyajuu: I've found why they were slow
Kinyajuu: the more "lines" i have to check the worse it gets
Kinyajuu: soooo
Kinyajuu: use ONE line
Kinyajuu: but allow it to say air or ignor
Kinyajuu: *ignore
Kinyajuu: so I'll have one line instead of many
Valmar: A streamlined process, essentially?
Kinyajuu: lots of technicals to that but yeah
Kinyajuu: it'll draw like the pen drawer in MS stuff
Kinyajuu: lift pen, lower pen, basically lift means go to doing nothing, lower means draw air
Kinyajuu: but it still needs workshopped
Kinyajuu: I may just pregen them as prefabs and shove em in
Valmar: Speaking of workshop... I wouldn't be me if I didn't ask... is such support still only planned for after the game goes gold?
Kinyajuu: it's planned for once we fill out the editing tools
Kinyajuu: with what I did yesterday I think they are coming around now
Kinyajuu: previewer will be the first editing tool
Valmar: With the UMA and RWG previewer being two of said tools?
Kinyajuu: then I may be able to get them to release the prefab/world editor
Kinyajuu: it's in there, just nobody outside TFP can use it
Kinyajuu: that window that says coming soon, shows us every prefab and level
Valmar: Did you notice a modder found a way to enable the world editor mode?
Kinyajuu: oh, cool
Kinyajuu: good on them then :)
Kinyajuu: i keep telling rick that you guys won't mind that it's not super user friendly
Kinyajuu: yall will figure it out
Valmar: Well, if its a matter of user-friendliness you could sneak a toggle into an xml file that they have to use.
Kinyajuu: hehehe
Valmar: So only those "in the known" will know how to toggle it.
Kinyajuu: well, once I make the tool picker menu I may just
Kinyajuu: uncomment an entry in XUI/windows.xml
Kinyajuu: ;P
Kinyajuu: then it's "not officially" supported but it's a simple xml edit to turn it on as an option