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  1. Session Start: Fri Apr 06 14:14:42 2012
  2. Session Ident: BombaAriba
  3. [14:14] <UnknownSmurf> Hello.
  4. [14:14] <BombaAriba> HI.
  5. [14:14] <UnknownSmurf> How are you?
  6. [14:16] <BombaAriba> Good, how are you?
  7. [14:16] <UnknownSmurf> Not too bad. You are the president of FOK correct?
  8. [14:17] <BombaAriba> That is correct
  9. [14:17] <UnknownSmurf> Awesome, have you had a chance to read the conversation between Ecnelis and I just now?
  10. [14:18] <UnknownSmurf> It is concerning this guy: http://www.cybernations.net/search_wars.asp?search=405061&Extended=1
  11. [14:19] <BombaAriba> No I haven't seen any logs
  12. [14:19] <UnknownSmurf> Would you prefer logs or a tl;dr?
  13. [14:19] <BombaAriba> Ah a war declaration
  14. [14:19] <BombaAriba> copy paste would be enough
  15. [14:19] <BombaAriba> the important stuff :P
  16. [14:19] <BombaAriba> or I don't know how long your talk has been
  17. [14:20] <UnknownSmurf> It's not that long. Here you go:
  18. [14:20] <UnknownSmurf> [13:55] <UnknownSmurf> Hi
  19. [14:20] <UnknownSmurf> [13:56] <Ecnelis> hello
  20. [14:20] <UnknownSmurf> [13:56] <UnknownSmurf> You are still a part of Pandoras box, correct?
  21. [14:20] <UnknownSmurf> [13:57] <UnknownSmurf> You seem to have a rogue declaring on a Kaskus member.
  22. [14:20] <UnknownSmurf> [13:57] <UnknownSmurf> I was not sure if that was due to your treaty with GOONS or not. Is it?
  23. [14:20] <UnknownSmurf> [13:57] <Ecnelis> yeah we are a part of Pandoras box
  24. [14:20] <UnknownSmurf> [13:58] <UnknownSmurf> http://www.cybernations.net/search_wars.asp?search=405061&Extended=1
  25. [14:20] <UnknownSmurf> [13:59] <Ecnelis> i dont think its a rogue, why would it be a rogue?
  26. [14:20] <UnknownSmurf> [13:59] <Ecnelis> if he would be one he is doing a bad job
  27. [14:20] <UnknownSmurf> [13:59] <UnknownSmurf> Well because he is on the FOK AA and is declaring on another alliance, despite the two alliances not being at war with each other.
  28. [14:20] <UnknownSmurf> [14:00] <Ecnelis> Maybe he is doing a techraid?
  29. [14:20] <UnknownSmurf> [14:00] <UnknownSmurf> You condone tech raids against alliances with 19 members and multiple treaties
  30. [14:20] <UnknownSmurf> [14:00] <UnknownSmurf> Such as NEW?
  31. [14:20] <UnknownSmurf> [14:00] <UnknownSmurf> What is your position in FOK?
  32. [14:20] <UnknownSmurf> [14:00] <Ecnelis> @ least he is already on our AA for like (690 Days) days >_> so its not like he ghost us since a few day or so
  33. [14:20] <UnknownSmurf> [14:00] <UnknownSmurf> Right. I understand that.
  34. [14:20] <UnknownSmurf> [14:01] <UnknownSmurf> But there are many rogues that have been in alliances for a long time, then they decide to go out with a bang.
  35. [14:20] <UnknownSmurf> [14:02] <UnknownSmurf> I was unsure if that was the case or not.
  36. [14:20] <UnknownSmurf> [14:03] <Ecnelis> Nah i dont think so, @ least i have no idea why he would then attack that one guy
  37. [14:20] <UnknownSmurf> [14:04] <Ecnelis> just i see he is one day in ur alliance?
  38. [14:20] <UnknownSmurf> [14:05] <Ecnelis> So maybe he where not in an alliance before and then he had him on a list for techraid and not did look or see he is in a alliance now?
  39. [14:20] <UnknownSmurf> [14:05] <Ecnelis> I have no idea can be many things
  40. [14:20] <UnknownSmurf> [14:06] <UnknownSmurf> No, he joined our alliance, and is a full member.
  41. [14:20] <UnknownSmurf> [14:06] <UnknownSmurf> He was attacked by a member of your alliance.
  42. [14:20] <UnknownSmurf> [14:06] <Ecnelis> yeah since one day right?
  43. [14:20] <UnknownSmurf> [14:06] <UnknownSmurf> Do you not protect nations that have only been in your alliance for 1 day?
  44. [14:20] <UnknownSmurf> [14:07] <UnknownSmurf> What is your position in FOK? According to your IRC channel you are government.
  45. [14:20] <UnknownSmurf> [14:07] <UnknownSmurf> But according to your forums, you are not.
  46. [14:20] <UnknownSmurf> [14:07] <Ecnelis> i dont say that, i just see he is one day in there so like when he attacked him because he saved the nation for a techraid because it where not in an alliance before and now not see he joined some alliance it can be all bad luck?
  47. [14:20] <UnknownSmurf> [14:08] <UnknownSmurf> It might be bad luck, but we still need to resolve the issue.
  48. [14:20] <UnknownSmurf> [14:08] <UnknownSmurf> Is he going to peace out the nation he attacked and pay reps?
  49. [14:20] <UnknownSmurf> [14:09] <Ecnelis> Hmm from what i see now its because of what you sayd before
  50. [14:20] <UnknownSmurf> [14:10] <Ecnelis> because the goons thing
  51. [14:20] <UnknownSmurf> [14:10] <UnknownSmurf> <UnknownSmurf> What is your position in FOK? According to your IRC channel you are government.
  52. [14:20] <UnknownSmurf> [14:10] <UnknownSmurf> <UnknownSmurf> But according to your forums, you are not.
  53. [14:20] <UnknownSmurf> [14:10] <Ecnelis> ooo and i think im Minister of Future Affairs now =)
  54. [14:20] <UnknownSmurf> [14:10] <Ecnelis> we are still building the gov =)
  55. [14:20] <UnknownSmurf> [14:10] <UnknownSmurf> Are you officially declaring war and saying that Kaskus was too mighty for GOONS and Umbrella and that your allies need more help?
  56. [14:21] <UnknownSmurf> [14:11] <Ecnelis> its more like you guys are too little for goons and umbrella that they also liked other to have a techraid :p
  57. [14:21] <UnknownSmurf> [14:12] <UnknownSmurf> GOONS has 32 nations in range of the guy in Kaskus that was declared on by FOK. Are you saying that all 32 of those GOONS nations were decimated by Kaskus and need help?
  58. [14:21] <UnknownSmurf> [14:13] <Ecnelis> I just reading some stuff i have no idea, maybe you best can ask Bomb now he is here
  59. [14:22] <UnknownSmurf> How do you wish to proceed?
  60. [14:22] <UnknownSmurf> He seems to have declared war on Kaskus for FOK but I don't think he understood the implications of that action so I will wait for your take on the matter.
  61. [14:23] <BombaAriba> Hmm
  62. [14:24] <BombaAriba> wait a sec
  63. [14:24] <UnknownSmurf> No rush.
  64. [14:35] <UnknownSmurf> Have you made a decision?
  65. [14:35] <BombaAriba> We got some interalliance govtalk right now
  66. [14:36] <BombaAriba> how far are the peace negotiations?
  67. [14:36] <UnknownSmurf> Not far.
  68. [14:36] <BombaAriba> You gave up arms or not?
  69. [14:37] <UnknownSmurf> I mean peace talks haven't progressed much, an agreement to a monetary amount hasn't happened.
  70. [14:37] <UnknownSmurf> As you can see from the war and battle page: http://www.cybernations.net/search_wars.asp?searchstring=Declaring_Alliance%2CReceiving_Alliance&search=Goon%20Order%20Of%20Oppression%20Negligence%20And%20Sadism&anyallexact=exact
  71. [14:37] <UnknownSmurf> More mongols/kaskus are declaring on GOONS than ever, so I do not see the war ending any time soon.
  72. [14:38] <UnknownSmurf> Of the last 40 wars, 12 are by GOONS and 28 are on GOONS.
  73. [14:38] <UnknownSmurf> Yet they still demand hundreds of millions in reps because Kaskus defended their ally.
  74. [14:39] <UnknownSmurf> I'm sure you understand where we are coming from as FOK has always been an honorable alliance.
  75. [14:39] <BombaAriba> lol yeah
  76. [14:39] <BombaAriba> I thought that the war was ending
  77. [14:39] <BombaAriba> which round is this?
  78. [14:40] <BombaAriba> yeah but you can also see my view
  79. [14:40] <BombaAriba> goons needs to get them to the table
  80. [14:40] <UnknownSmurf> 6.
  81. [14:40] <UnknownSmurf> We have been to the table, I'll go to the table now if you'd like and we can work something out.
  82. [14:40] <UnknownSmurf> I assume by interalliance talks you mean sardonic.
  83. [14:40] <UnknownSmurf> Is that the only one you are speaking to?
  84. [14:40] <BombaAriba> no all of pb
  85. [14:40] <BombaAriba> 3 govtalks atm
  86. [14:40] <BombaAriba> fokgov
  87. [14:41] <BombaAriba> goonsfok
  88. [14:41] <BombaAriba> pbgov
  89. [14:41] <BombaAriba> P
  90. [14:41] <BombaAriba> :P
  91. [14:41] <BombaAriba> busy bee
  92. [14:41] <UnknownSmurf> Alright well invite whomever you would like to discuss this to #smurf and we can work it out.
  93. [14:43] <BombaAriba> what is the amount that kaskus is willingly to go to?
  94. [14:43] <BombaAriba> do you know that?
  95. [14:43] <UnknownSmurf> $30 mill.
  96. [14:43] <BombaAriba> or equivalent in tech?
  97. [14:43] <UnknownSmurf> At a 3mill/100t conversion rate?
  98. [14:44] <UnknownSmurf> Yes, I'll do 1,000 tech.
  99. [14:44] <UnknownSmurf> For both mongols+kaskus.
  100. [14:45] <BombaAriba> the 30 mill/1000tech is for peace with mongols+kaskus?
  101. Session Time: Sat Apr 07 00:18:59 2012
  102. Session Close: Sat Apr 07 00:19:08 2012
  103.  
  104. Session Start: Fri Apr 06 12:00:13 2012
  105. Session Ident: #smurf
  106. [12:00] * Now talking in #smurf
  107. [12:00] * ChanServ sets mode: +ntrq UnknownSmurf
  108. [14:41] * BombaAriba (BombaAriba@coldfront-5D0CABC9.ftth.xms.internl.net) has joined #smurf
  109. [14:46] * Sardonic (Sardonic@coldfront-15F30B56.dsl.austtx.sbcglobal.net) has joined #smurf
  110. [14:46] <Sardonic> yes?
  111. [14:47] * domisi (_@umbrella-alliance.com) has joined #smurf
  112. [14:48] <~UnknownSmurf> Either we can have FOK have that 1 guy declare peace+pay token reps (like 3 mill) or we can have a recognitino of hosilities by kaskus or DoW from FOK on Kaskus.
  113. [14:48] <~UnknownSmurf> I assure you the resulting thread from option 2 or 3 will not be pretty.
  114. [14:49] <~UnknownSmurf> Because of the respect I hold for FOK I am offering option 1.
  115. [14:49] <Sardonic> I think you'll find the world cares far less than you seem to believe
  116. [14:50] <~UnknownSmurf> People on your side of the web may not care at all, that is true, but you are a smart man and you understand the treaty web quite well so lets not play this game.
  117. [14:51] <Sardonic> I understand the treaty web quite well, I understand that my indirect allies won't give a shit if we get help or not either.
  118. [14:51] <~UnknownSmurf> Depends on the indirect ally.
  119. [14:52] <~UnknownSmurf> Roq is coalition building you know, don't want to give him ammo haha.
  120. [14:52] <Sardonic> you know nothing of our political structure
  121. [14:52] <Sardonic> how adorable, you think roq poses a credible threat
  122. [14:52] <Sardonic> and that us getting help would feed into that
  123. [14:52] <~UnknownSmurf> No, that was a joke.
  124. [14:52] <Sardonic> oh
  125. [14:52] <Sardonic> well whatever the case, if you think you can use PR as leverage over us you're vastly mistaken
  126. [14:53] * Triple12[FOK] (flying@37193743.1850487E.703A9BCD.IP) has joined #smurf
  127. [14:54] <~UnknownSmurf> If you believe that calling in FOK via PB helps you in the long run, I would say you are the vastly mistaken one my friend.
  128. [14:54] <Sardonic> because why
  129. [14:54] <Sardonic> you're trying to make speech checks you do not have the speech skill for my friend
  130. [14:55] * Ecnelis (spam@coldfront-88B0F93.chello.nl) has joined #smurf
  131. [14:56] <~UnknownSmurf> You know why. And I know what you are trying to do here, so lets not play this game.
  132. [14:56] <domisi> i'm pretty sure goons didn't "call in" one guy from FOK but i've been away all week so i could be mistaken?
  133. [14:56] <Sardonic> We called in FOK, because we need more middle tier coverage.
  134. [14:56] <Sardonic> There is no shame in such things
  135. [14:57] <Sardonic> and your attempts to play it that way will fall on deaf ears, or the ears of those who already beleived such, smurf
  136. [14:57] <~UnknownSmurf> You have 38 guys in range of the person FOK declared on.
  137. [14:57] <Sardonic> he's not the one we requested help on
  138. [14:58] <Sardonic> You can play pedantry and politics all you want, but at the end of the day, we are sick of this shit, and going to call in all the firepower we can until all of your slots are full.
  139. [14:59] <Sardonic> I sincearly suggest you consiter making us an offer that didn't convert to less than 100m
  140. [15:00] <~UnknownSmurf> Thats not going to happen, I don't have the clout within Kaskus to pull that off. You've dealt with them, you know how stubborn they can be.
  141. [15:00] <Ecnelis> What about 19 Kaskus x 2 slots x 3 mil = 114 mil
  142. [15:00] <~UnknownSmurf> All you are doing by having more people declare on the NEW guys that joined the AA
  143. [15:00] <Sardonic> and?
  144. [15:00] <~UnknownSmurf> is making more NEW guys jump on the AA, which is why I attempted to give you the option to resolve this
  145. [15:01] <~UnknownSmurf> With token reps.
  146. [15:01] <domisi> 100m ~is~ token, frankly
  147. [15:01] <domisi> seeing as how both sides have already taken much more damage than that
  148. [15:01] <Sardonic> I'm not willing to go lower than 200m
  149. [15:02] <Sardonic> you've fought well, there's no denying it, but I'm not going to accept a low amount that I cannot defend to my own government
  150. [15:02] <~UnknownSmurf> Its not token when you take into account we have 39 nations between the both of us and an average NS of 8.5k
  151. [15:02] <~UnknownSmurf> And we have been in war perpetually a month and a half.
  152. [15:02] <domisi> 7 nations can cover 100m in a single round
  153. [15:03] <~UnknownSmurf> I'm sorry dom, we aren't Umbrellan nations with billion dollar warchests.
  154. [15:03] <~UnknownSmurf> We are not making 15mill/10days on any of our nations
  155. [15:03] <Ecnelis> you guys should make techdeals xD
  156. [15:03] <BombaAriba> then pay out in tech
  157. [15:03] <domisi> i didn't say anything about billion dollar warchests
  158. [15:03] <~UnknownSmurf> We weren't offered tech deal reps.
  159. [15:03] <domisi> 15m isn't a billion dollars
  160. [15:03] <Sardonic> give me an offer in combined tech and cash that totals up to 200m and I'll accept it.
  161. [15:04] <~UnknownSmurf> At what conversion rate?
  162. [15:04] <domisi> also you have a nation sitting just under 7k infra
  163. [15:04] <domisi> or is he not really kaskus
  164. [15:04] <BombaAriba> 200/3=66.66
  165. [15:04] <BombaAriba> say 67
  166. [15:04] <~UnknownSmurf> The 3 largest are NEW guys that joined for the duration of the war, I believe.
  167. [15:05] <domisi> well, seeing as how they're fighting, would they not also be partially responsible for the reps?
  168. [15:05] <Sardonic> standard 100/3 is fine
  169. [15:05] <domisi> regardless of which aa they go to afterwards
  170. [15:05] <~UnknownSmurf> I don't forsee them paying reps, and we would have no way to enforce that. I do see them helping with rebuilding, but that's it.
  171. [15:06] <Sardonic> whatever they do, you can't sit there and tell me you can't afford 200m in cash and converted tech
  172. [15:06] <domisi> then people should stop claiming they've left NEW permanently to join Kaskus, imo
  173. [15:07] <~UnknownSmurf> I don't see how that's relevant dom. They left NEW, joined kaskus. And will resign from kaskus once the war ends.
  174. [15:07] <~UnknownSmurf> It's common practice.
  175. [15:07] <domisi> well yeah, i get that
  176. [15:07] <domisi> but honestly man
  177. [15:07] <domisi> if umbrella needed help
  178. [15:07] <domisi> and someone came to me and was like "yeah i'll come fight but i won't help you pay reps if we lose"
  179. [15:07] <domisi> i'd probably tell em to get lost lol
  180. [15:08] <Sardonic> umbrella losing seems kind of hard :v
  181. [15:08] <~UnknownSmurf> As would I, but it wasn't my decision to tell them they were invited or not.
  182. [15:08] <domisi> fair enough
  183. [15:08] <domisi> but i mean
  184. [15:09] <~UnknownSmurf> As for your 200mill comment sard, yes its affordable, but it won't be accepted by kaskus because they'd rather spend the 200mill on nuking you guys.
  185. [15:09] <Sardonic> well then I guess we have nothing to talk about
  186. [15:09] <~UnknownSmurf> If you want this war ended, we can give you a number that sounds pretty for the OWF, such as 2k tech.
  187. [15:09] <domisi> it's 2k now?
  188. [15:09] <Sardonic> I'm not in this war for the OWF
  189. [15:09] <Sardonic> I'm in this war to enforce our policies
  190. [15:09] <~UnknownSmurf> But easy for kaskus to swollow.
  191. [15:09] <Sardonic> and show that there is a punishment for violating our laws
  192. [15:10] <~UnknownSmurf> Yes, and we're in this war to not allow smaller alliances get destroyed just because they don't want to play the same game you do.
  193. [15:10] <Sardonic> you're not going to change us
  194. [15:10] <Sardonic> so don't bother trying
  195. [15:10] <~UnknownSmurf> You won't change them either.
  196. [15:10] <BombaAriba> Nobody will change, that kind of reps won't happen
  197. [15:10] <Sardonic> while kaskus and mongols will not change, others will recognize what we did here today
  198. [15:11] <Sardonic> and that we enforce our policies
  199. [15:11] <BombaAriba> you're getting closer
  200. [15:11] <Sardonic> now go back to kaskus and mongols and scrounge up our requested funds.
  201. [15:11] <BombaAriba> 67*50=3350 is 200
  202. [15:11] <BombaAriba> 2k has been bid
  203. [15:11] <BombaAriba> 1350 tech still needed
  204. [15:12] <Sardonic> I wouldn't be opposed to taking all the reps in tech if that was more preferable
  205. [15:12] <BombaAriba> the would be better
  206. [15:12] <Sardonic> so long as the rate was industry standard 3/100
  207. [15:12] <~UnknownSmurf> Which policy do you believe you are enforcing here Sard?
  208. [15:12] <domisi> make it 3k for a nice round number imo :D
  209. [15:12] <BombaAriba> perhaps a little better conversion
  210. [15:12] <~UnknownSmurf> That your allies such as FOK can protect their tech sellers, but other alliances can not?
  211. [15:12] <BombaAriba> yeah just like domisi said
  212. [15:12] <BombaAriba> better conversion
  213. [15:12] <BombaAriba> 3k
  214. [15:13] <Sardonic> don't start that debate here, you'll find no traction.
  215. [15:13] <Sardonic> what does 3k convert to at 3/100 rate?
  216. [15:13] <BombaAriba> that are 60 deals
  217. [15:13] <BombaAriba> 67 to 60 is good
  218. [15:13] <~UnknownSmurf> I cannot agree to that much right now without discussing it with the rest of them. 1k tech can end the war right here right now.
  219. [15:14] <Sardonic> 1K tech is an insult
  220. [15:14] <~UnknownSmurf> 2k*
  221. [15:14] <~UnknownSmurf> Typo.
  222. [15:14] <Sardonic> and your continued attempts to blackmail us on the OWF are not to your credits
  223. [15:14] <~UnknownSmurf> There was no blackmail. There was no threat that I will try to discredit you on the OWF by calling in FOK.
  224. [15:14] <~UnknownSmurf> I was just simply telling you what would happen.
  225. [15:14] <Sardonic> don't bullshit me
  226. [15:15] <BombaAriba> 2k is 180 mil with the new conversion rates
  227. [15:15] <BombaAriba> perhaps enforce some long term tech deals?
  228. [15:15] <BombaAriba> that would be good for both of you guys
  229. [15:15] <Sardonic> ehhh we're in no lack of buyers
  230. [15:15] <BombaAriba> and that way kaskus will get more room to pay
  231. [15:15] <domisi> that's too sensible for either of these guys to agree too BombaAriba
  232. [15:15] <domisi> what are you thinking
  233. [15:16] <Sardonic> ouch domisi, ouch
  234. [15:16] <domisi> :p
  235. [15:16] <domisi> oh, sorry
  236. [15:16] <~UnknownSmurf> I would agree to that. I try to mediate between the stubborn ones in this war.
  237. [15:16] <BombaAriba> like 20 longterm 3/100 deals afterwards
  238. [15:16] <domisi> should have been to, not too
  239. [15:16] <Sardonic> can I get confirmation that 2k tech converts to 180m
  240. [15:16] <Sardonic> at 3/100
  241. [15:17] <~UnknownSmurf> 2000 tech via long term deals = 60 slots
  242. [15:17] <~UnknownSmurf> 60*3million = 180 million.
  243. [15:17] <BombaAriba> no
  244. [15:17] <Sardonic> there will be no deals
  245. [15:17] <Sardonic> you will pay us the tech
  246. [15:17] <Sardonic> using your own money to purchase it
  247. [15:17] <BombaAriba> no not that way
  248. [15:17] <~UnknownSmurf> We will pay mongols money and they will send you tech is what I'm thinking.
  249. [15:18] <BombaAriba> 2k tech short term reps+20 longterm 3/100 deals
  250. [15:18] <BombaAriba> sellers are needy nowadays
  251. [15:18] <BombaAriba> shortage of sellers is what I meant
  252. [15:18] <Sardonic> I'd rather just get the tech and be done with it
  253. [15:18] <~UnknownSmurf> Well luckily we've created quite a few this war. :P
  254. [15:20] <~UnknownSmurf> Before this is agreed to, can we clarify what we're agreeing to?
  255. [15:20] <~UnknownSmurf> Or what offer is on the table currently.
  256. [15:20] <BombaAriba> ofcource
  257. [15:20] <~UnknownSmurf> Just so we're on the same page.
  258. [15:20] <BombaAriba> we can
  259. [15:20] <BombaAriba> you can
  260. [15:20] <BombaAriba> but still I think
  261. [15:20] <BombaAriba> that a longterm enforced deal
  262. [15:20] <BombaAriba> would be good for both sides
  263. [15:21] <BombaAriba> at 3/100
  264. [15:21] <BombaAriba> 200mil is the absolute min
  265. [15:21] <BombaAriba> 2k tech has already been offered
  266. [15:21] <~UnknownSmurf> 2k tech < 200mill.
  267. [15:21] <BombaAriba> I know
  268. [15:21] <BombaAriba> that's why
  269. [15:22] <~UnknownSmurf> 200mill is too much.
  270. [15:22] <BombaAriba> we need to work something out
  271. [15:22] <Sardonic> no it isn't
  272. [15:22] <BombaAriba> longterm enforced deals
  273. [15:22] <Sardonic> you can bloody find that money
  274. [15:22] <Sardonic> coverted with tech and all
  275. [15:22] <BombaAriba> one big nation carries 5billion-10billion
  276. [15:22] <BombaAriba> find you bank nation :P
  277. [15:22] <BombaAriba> your*
  278. [15:23] <Sardonic> also I can't seem to get 2k to convert to 180m at 3/100
  279. [15:23] <~UnknownSmurf> I don't know, BombaAriba gave that conversion. I don't do math. :P
  280. [15:24] <BombaAriba> :P
  281. [15:24] <BombaAriba> I was working with the 50
  282. [15:24] <BombaAriba> 60*3=180
  283. [15:25] <Sardonic> how do you know 2000 tech is 60 deals?
  284. [15:25] <BombaAriba> I first worked with the 3
  285. [15:25] <BombaAriba> wait :P
  286. [15:25] <BombaAriba> Let me see
  287. [15:25] <Sardonic> I get 20 deals :P
  288. [15:25] <~UnknownSmurf> 60 slots
  289. [15:25] <BombaAriba> 3k is 60
  290. [15:26] <~UnknownSmurf> 100tech = 3 slots... so I divided 2000slots by 100slots
  291. [15:26] <BombaAriba> It's worth more since you miss the 10 day payment
  292. [15:26] <~UnknownSmurf> =/
  293. [15:26] <Ecnelis> Why not 19 Kaskus send 2 x 50 tech = total 1900 tech to 19 who ever they have to send to and then after the whoever they had to send to send 19 x 3 mil back and then that 19 get another 100 tech and its all finished?
  294. [15:26] <BombaAriba> 3k=180
  295. [15:26] <~UnknownSmurf> I don't know.
  296. [15:26] <Sardonic> <Timberland[GOONS]> 2000 = 20 * 100/3m = 20 * 3m/100 = 60m/2000
  297. [15:26] <Sardonic> 60m is far too low to accept
  298. [15:26] <~UnknownSmurf> That's not right.
  299. [15:26] <BombaAriba> 100/3 is not working
  300. [15:26] <BombaAriba> you miss 1 weak
  301. [15:26] <BombaAriba> week
  302. [15:27] <~UnknownSmurf> its 120mill = 2k tech.
  303. [15:27] <BombaAriba> normally tech-tech-money = 3 weeks
  304. [15:27] <Sardonic> I think timberland knows what he's talking about
  305. [15:27] <Sardonic> and I get that number too
  306. [15:27] <BombaAriba> he does
  307. [15:27] <~UnknownSmurf> <Timberland[GOONS]> 2000 = 20 * 100/3m = 20 * 3m/100 = 60m/2000
  308. [15:27] <BombaAriba> But I'm making magic
  309. [15:27] <BombaAriba> we need to make this work :P
  310. [15:27] <~UnknownSmurf> This means 60 mill = 2000 tech?
  311. [15:27] <~UnknownSmurf> That's not right.
  312. [15:27] <~UnknownSmurf> Oh wait, it is.
  313. [15:27] <~UnknownSmurf> :P
  314. [15:27] <BombaAriba> at the 3/100 rate it is
  315. [15:27] <~UnknownSmurf> Like I said, ..math =/
  316. [15:27] <BombaAriba> but you get a week less
  317. [15:28] <BombaAriba> 1/3 off
  318. [15:28] <Sardonic> at one point in time you offered 150M
  319. [15:28] <BombaAriba> that's a extra profit for goons
  320. [15:28] <Sardonic> is that offer still valid
  321. [15:28] <~UnknownSmurf> I could do 150mill.
  322. [15:28] <~UnknownSmurf> I need to run it by 2 guys
  323. [15:29] <Sardonic> bump it to 175mill and we can end this
  324. [15:29] <~UnknownSmurf> (174 = even number of slots, that stright?)
  325. [15:29] <BombaAriba> some tech deals worth of 25m above it
  326. [15:29] <BombaAriba> you can do that smurf
  327. [15:30] <~UnknownSmurf> I mean 175 isn't divisible by 3
  328. [15:30] <~UnknownSmurf> Which would make 1 slot of 1mill. which seems a waste :P
  329. [15:30] <Sardonic> okay fine, 178m
  330. [15:30] <~UnknownSmurf> Lol.
  331. [15:30] <~UnknownSmurf> I'll keep 150mill on the table.
  332. [15:30] <Sardonic> you're not getting it
  333. [15:31] <Ecnelis> I would do first kaskus sends 19 x 100 tech, then 19 goons send 3 mil each, then kaskus sends another 150 tech and finish :p so in the end you do a 3 mil / 250 techdeal and all done :p
  334. [15:31] <~UnknownSmurf> He doesn't want to pay for the tech if its converted Ecnelis.
  335. [15:31] <Sardonic> too complicated
  336. [15:31] <BombaAriba> (150 / 3) * 100 = 5 000
  337. [15:31] <BombaAriba> (150 / 3) * 100 = 5 000(150 / 3) * 100 = 5 000
  338. [15:31] <domisi> omfg math
  339. [15:31] <~UnknownSmurf> ^
  340. [15:31] <BombaAriba> 5k tech is on the table
  341. [15:32] <Sardonic> 5K tech?
  342. [15:32] <BombaAriba> sound way better then 150
  343. [15:32] <BombaAriba> 1/3 for the week off
  344. [15:32] <BombaAriba> so it's worth more
  345. [15:32] <Sardonic> sure I'd take 5K tech, but i'm not paying for it
  346. [15:32] <BombaAriba> 150m*(100/33)=
  347. [15:32] <BombaAriba> you don't have to sardonic
  348. [15:32] <BombaAriba> and it is money
  349. [15:32] <BombaAriba> but i converse it
  350. [15:32] <BombaAriba> now you see how much it is
  351. [15:33] <BombaAriba> 150 * (1 + (33 / 100)) = 199.5
  352. [15:33] <BombaAriba> half mill below the 200
  353. [15:33] <BombaAriba> you can do that guys
  354. [15:34] <BombaAriba> so on the table is
  355. [15:34] <BombaAriba> 150 mil cash or 199.5 tech(in cash worth)
  356. [15:35] <BombaAriba> sardonic really wants to see 200
  357. [15:35] <BombaAriba> 199.5<>200
  358. [15:35] <BombaAriba> who gives a damn about a half million
  359. [15:35] <~UnknownSmurf> He wants 200mill cash, not 200 tech.
  360. [15:35] <BombaAriba> no
  361. [15:35] <BombaAriba> 199.5mill in tech
  362. [15:35] <BombaAriba> it's worth more
  363. [15:35] <BombaAriba> because it is paid
  364. [15:35] <BombaAriba> continues
  365. [15:36] <BombaAriba> tech-tech-tech
  366. [15:36] <BombaAriba> not tech-tech-money-tech-tech-money
  367. [15:36] <~UnknownSmurf> ..To your math he wants 266tech (in cash worth)
  368. [15:36] <BombaAriba> so it's 1 week faster
  369. [15:36] <BombaAriba> no
  370. [15:36] <BombaAriba> :P
  371. [15:37] <BombaAriba> so worth 1.3x times normal worth of 100=3
  372. [15:37] <Sardonic> this is why I usually prefer to work the amounts out in cash and then offer conversion
  373. [15:37] <~UnknownSmurf> ^
  374. [15:37] <Sardonic> because this is massivley irratating
  375. [15:37] <domisi> 175m sounds like the target number here
  376. [15:37] <~UnknownSmurf> 150 mill/5k tech is what I can offer you right now. I've met you more than halfway Sard.
  377. [15:37] <domisi> sard wants 200m, smurf says 150m is doable
  378. [15:38] <BombaAriba> with the fast payment
  379. [15:38] <BombaAriba> it's worth 1.3x
  380. [15:38] <BombaAriba> so 3*1.3=3.9
  381. [15:38] <~UnknownSmurf> Yes but I went up from 1k tech to 5k tech (150ill) whereas he has sat at 200mill.
  382. [15:38] <~UnknownSmurf> I'm not going any highier.
  383. [15:38] <BombaAriba> 150/3.9=38.46
  384. [15:38] <Sardonic> I can do 175, though it should be bumped up to 177 for slot efficiency.
  385. [15:38] <BombaAriba> he dropped 50
  386. [15:38] <domisi> i thought he began at 300m actually
  387. [15:39] <Sardonic> I did begin at 300m
  388. [15:39] <Sardonic> that I've gone down this low should be a testamount to my earnest desire to end this
  389. [15:39] <domisi> so 175m is pretty durn close to halfway
  390. [15:39] <~UnknownSmurf> That's BS and you know both know it. The 300mill for kaskus alone was only offered because you didn't want to end the war at that time.
  391. [15:40] <Sardonic> 300m was for both
  392. [15:40] <domisi> ^
  393. [15:40] <~UnknownSmurf> That number is from a month ago.
  394. [15:40] <Sardonic> your point?
  395. [15:40] <Sardonic> I've dropped my asking price, significantly more than I would have liked.
  396. [15:40] <domisi> the 300m for both number was from like a week ago or a few days more
  397. [15:40] <domisi> and has come down from that
  398. [15:41] <BombaAriba> this could end today - today off all days on good friday
  399. [15:41] <~UnknownSmurf> [17:17] <UnknownSmurf> That was the 180mill right?
  400. [15:41] <~UnknownSmurf> [17:18] <Sardonic> yes
  401. [15:41] <~UnknownSmurf> [17:18] <Sardonic> for mongols alone
  402. [15:41] <~UnknownSmurf> [17:18] <UnknownSmurf> And kaskus for 500mill.
  403. [15:41] <~UnknownSmurf> [17:18] <UnknownSmurf> Seems a bit excessive for an alliance only honoring an MDP, don't you think?
  404. [15:41] <~UnknownSmurf> [17:18] <Sardonic> well no, the offer of 500m was for mongols and kaskus both
  405. [15:41] <~UnknownSmurf> [17:18] <Sardonic> how you two split it would be up to you
  406. [15:41] <Sardonic> that was from like a month ago
  407. [15:41] <~UnknownSmurf> 300mill was not for both.
  408. [15:41] <Sardonic> as domisi said
  409. [15:41] <Sardonic> the 300m a while back was for both
  410. [15:41] <domisi> that was a separate offer
  411. [15:41] <domisi> the 300m from a week or so ago was meant for both
  412. [15:41] <domisi> that's what i'm talking about
  413. [15:42] <Sardonic> regardless of the offer history, are you going to try to find the money or not?
  414. [15:42] <BombaAriba> You guys already found it?
  415. [15:42] <~UnknownSmurf> 150mill is as high as I'm willing to go at this time.
  416. [15:42] <domisi> and really all those logs show is sard coming down from an even higher starting point
  417. [15:42] <~UnknownSmurf> 150mill/5k tech
  418. [15:42] <domisi> so i'm not sure how they help your point :p
  419. [15:42] <Sardonic> not good enough, sorry.
  420. [15:42] <BombaAriba> ah come on :P
  421. [15:42] <Sardonic> that offer is unchanged from the beginning of the war
  422. [15:42] <Sardonic> in which you offered 150
  423. [15:43] <BombaAriba> be nice enemies :P
  424. [15:43] <Sardonic> how would that make me look if I took an offer you made at the beginning of the war
  425. [15:43] <~UnknownSmurf> Merciful.
  426. [15:43] <Sardonic> pathetic is the word you are looking for.
  427. [15:44] <BombaAriba> the tech is worth 300 m if you use the 3/50 rule
  428. [15:44] <~UnknownSmurf> Don't be too hard on yourself.
  429. [15:44] <Sardonic> I feel pathetic enough dropping my asking price to 177
  430. [15:44] <Sardonic> you will not get lower than that, period.
  431. [15:44] <BombaAriba> smurf
  432. [15:44] <BombaAriba> got some more kaskus on?
  433. [15:44] <~UnknownSmurf> I'm talking to them on facebook chat atm.
  434. [15:44] <~UnknownSmurf> They don't really use IRC
  435. [15:44] <~UnknownSmurf> We have a FB group instead of forums.
  436. [15:45] <BombaAriba> so if I search for kaskus on fb I find you guys?
  437. [15:45] <~UnknownSmurf> It's a private group
  438. [15:45] <~UnknownSmurf> Only members are in it.
  439. [15:46] <~UnknownSmurf> (And mongols leader for the duration of the war)
  440. [15:47] <BombaAriba> aren't you from the kaskus.us site?
  441. [15:47] <BombaAriba> the indonesian community?
  442. [15:47] <~UnknownSmurf> No NEW is from kaskus.us
  443. [15:47] <BombaAriba> May I once remind you that indonesia is still a colony from us
  444. [15:47] <BombaAriba> so once again I say
  445. [15:47] <BombaAriba> pay the money
  446. [15:47] <BombaAriba> :P
  447. [15:48] <BombaAriba> 177
  448. [15:48] <BombaAriba> is like nothing
  449. [15:48] <Sardonic> indeed
  450. [15:48] <~UnknownSmurf> If it is nothing then you're fine with white peace?
  451. [15:48] <BombaAriba> you probably got war chests that are bigger?
  452. [15:48] <Sardonic> cute.
  453. [15:50] <BombaAriba> smurf think about how much the war is hurting you
  454. [15:50] <BombaAriba> in money
  455. [15:50] <BombaAriba> goons got the money to continue
  456. [15:50] <BombaAriba> the new guys not counted
  457. [15:50] <Ecnelis> UnknownSmurf why not just do 19 nation and each just use 3 slots. if you send just moneys you send 19 x 3 slots x 3 mil = 171 mil or 19 x 3 x 50 tech = 2850 tech. THen you still all have 2 or 3 slots left to do techdeals if they need money or buy tech themself if they want
  458. [15:50] <BombaAriba> what if they only fully focused on the real kaskus countries?
  459. [15:50] <~UnknownSmurf> Not necessarily. I've had no problem with any of my opponents. Bill-locked a couple.
  460. [15:51] <BombaAriba> billock and stuff
  461. [15:51] <BombaAriba> :/
  462. [15:51] <~UnknownSmurf> And it only costs me 3mill to rebuild to 1k infra from 0...
  463. [15:51] <~UnknownSmurf> so I can get nukes.
  464. [15:51] <~UnknownSmurf> The cost of the war is negligible.
  465. [15:51] <BombaAriba> how big is your wc then?
  466. [15:51] <BombaAriba> you can't continue for long
  467. [15:51] <~UnknownSmurf> Currently 150mill.
  468. [15:51] <BombaAriba> if you can
  469. [15:51] <BombaAriba> then you can also pay 178
  470. [15:52] <~UnknownSmurf> If I have 150mill, I cannot pay 178. I don't follow your logic.
  471. [15:52] <domisi> 177*
  472. [15:53] <~UnknownSmurf> Tomato, tomato.
  473. [15:53] <BombaAriba> 178 is dividable by 3
  474. [15:53] <BombaAriba> 177 isn't
  475. [15:53] <BombaAriba> you got more then 150
  476. [15:53] <~UnknownSmurf> Actually 177 is. 178 isn't.
  477. [15:53] <Sardonic> 177/3=59
  478. [15:53] <domisi> who taught you math?
  479. [15:53] <BombaAriba> if you talk so easily about spending 3 m
  480. [15:54] <BombaAriba> and if that's for all of your members
  481. [15:54] <BombaAriba> :P
  482. [15:54] <~UnknownSmurf> I can spend the 3mill only because I win GAs and make 3mill by investing in infra.
  483. [15:54] <BombaAriba> why don't double that
  484. [15:54] <BombaAriba> and be done
  485. [15:54] <Sardonic> i'm literally about to graduate from college with degrees in computer science and accounting :P
  486. [15:54] <domisi> ~literally~
  487. [15:54] <~UnknownSmurf> Congrats.
  488. [15:54] <BombaAriba> I'm just tired :P
  489. [15:54] <~UnknownSmurf> ^ (ot sarcastic if it came off that way)
  490. [15:54] <~UnknownSmurf> not*
  491. [15:55] <BombaAriba> long way till i get my fiscal law degree
  492. [15:55] <Sardonic> nice
  493. [15:56] <Sardonic> anyway I think we're just about done here for now
  494. [15:56] <BombaAriba> come on
  495. [15:56] <Sardonic> I really need to eat breakfast and whatnot
  496. [15:56] <BombaAriba> 150<>177
  497. [15:56] <BombaAriba> 27 mil
  498. [15:56] <BombaAriba> :/
  499. [15:56] <Sardonic> but I'll be in touch if you change your mind on the 177
  500. [15:56] <BombaAriba> 0.5 wonder or so
  501. [15:57] <BombaAriba> smurf if you get peace right now
  502. [15:57] <Ecnelis> UnknownSmurf just use 19 x 3 slotss and i think you all can agree on this
  503. [15:57] <BombaAriba> you can earn money
  504. [15:57] <BombaAriba> so you will reach the 177
  505. [15:57] <BombaAriba> if you only use 3 slots per person
  506. [15:57] <BombaAriba> you can use 2 of them to make money
  507. [15:57] <BombaAriba> find some 3/50 deals
  508. [15:58] <~UnknownSmurf> Sounds good Sard, I'll try and get Tan and Gatan onboard with the 177 mill.
  509. [15:58] <~UnknownSmurf> I'll let you know.
  510. [15:58] <~UnknownSmurf> And BombaAriba/ Ecnelis, I appretiate your help.
  511. [15:59] <~UnknownSmurf> I just don't see that being feasible due to nations in bill-lock and whatnot.
  512. [15:59] <BombaAriba> put a 10 day buildup-billock period in the agreement
  513. [15:59] <BombaAriba> then they get some time
  514. [15:59] <BombaAriba> half of a collect
  515. [16:01] <BombaAriba> if you immediate get some support from new
  516. [16:01] <BombaAriba> you can easily make it
  517. [16:01] <~UnknownSmurf> I'll see if I can get the others on board.
  518. [16:02] <BombaAriba> do that
  519. [16:02] <BombaAriba> we can keep the deal with 177 and then perhaps build some easy terms into it
  520. [16:02] <BombaAriba> so that you can fulfill the payment
  521. [16:02] <BombaAriba> sardonic is being extremely soft
  522. [16:07] <BombaAriba> unknownsmurf, why don't you give a mibbit link to your mates? then they can join this channel with their web browser without special software and stuff
  523. [16:09] <~UnknownSmurf> They all have been on IRC before
  524. [16:09] <~UnknownSmurf> I assume they all have clients, they just aren't on now.
  525. [16:09] <~UnknownSmurf> They can check the FB group/chat from their phones thoguh
  526. [16:09] <~UnknownSmurf> which is why they would respond there, but not here.
  527. [16:10] <BombaAriba> ok
  528. [16:10] <~UnknownSmurf> It's also 3AM there, so they are all asleep
  529. [16:10] <~UnknownSmurf> or about to go to bed.
  530. [16:10] <BombaAriba> so let them make the deal
  531. [16:10] <BombaAriba> :D
  532. [16:10] <BombaAriba> sleep well
  533. [16:10] <BombaAriba> not worrying about a war and stuff
  534. [16:11] <~UnknownSmurf> Yeah.
  535. [16:11] <~UnknownSmurf> I'm in EST though (USA) so its 4 in the afternoon here
  536. [16:12] <~UnknownSmurf> But I'm about to go to happy hour, so I guess I'll let you guys know what happens with the FB group in about 12-20 hours
  537. [16:12] <~UnknownSmurf> Since I'm probably going out tonight and then will sleep without checking CN.
  538. [16:12] <~UnknownSmurf> But when I wake up, I'll let you know.
  539. [16:12] <~UnknownSmurf> Bye.
  540. [16:13] <BombaAriba> bye
  541. [16:13] <Ecnelis> cya later
  542. [16:15] * UnknownSmurf is now known as US|Away
  543.  
  544. ---
  545.  
  546. ‎[02:29] Session Ident: Sardonic (Coldfront, R|away) (Sardonic@coldfront-15F30B56.dsl.austtx.sbcglobal.net)
  547. [02:29] <Sardonic> so can you negotiate for kaskus and mongols, because it's beyond obvious that Tank is not capible of negotiating
  548. [02:30] <Sardonic> he hasn't been on irc in a week
  549. Session Close: Sat Apr 07 07:43:40 2012
  550.  
  551. Session Start: Sat Apr 07 07:43:40 2012
  552. Session Ident: Sardonic
  553. [09:08] <R|away> because we dont want to negotiate
  554. [09:09] <Sardonic> smurf was negotiating earlier today
  555. [09:09] <Sardonic> you might want to get on the same page with him and not waste our time if you would rather this be a war of extermination than come to reasonable agreement
  556. [09:12] <R|away> he is negotiating for himself.
  557. [09:12] <Sardonic> lol
  558. [09:12] <R|away> Tan has been on every day this week on another site
  559. [09:12] <R|away> :P
  560. [09:13] <Sardonic> well, I guess that's how it will be then.
  561. [09:13] <R|away> tbh
  562. [09:13] <Sardonic> enjoy oblivion.
  563. [09:13] <R|away> i think 36mil should be the offer
  564. [09:13] <R|away> but thats me
  565. [09:13] <Sardonic> lol fuck off
  566. [09:13] <R|away> no really
  567. [09:14] <R|away> 18mil you wanted, plus 18mil from us
  568. [09:14] <R|away> :3
  569. [09:14] <R|away> hey you bought in your ally whos like 50times our size
  570. [09:14] <Sardonic> indeed, and I'm about to bring another ally, because I tire of this.
  571. [09:15] <Sardonic> if you won't negotiate, we'll simply have to exterminate you with the assistance of our allies.
  572. [09:15] <R|away> alright, bring as many as you want in, i think you'll find we wont care.
  573. [09:15] <Sardonic> suit yourself
  574. [09:15] <R|away> bring Non Grata is, at least we'll finally have a proper fight again.
  575. [09:15] <R|away> in*
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