SubredditDrama Talks with LGBT mods

[04:29] <+xxlolitaxx> Thanks
[04:30] <+stopscopiesme> You are now a 3 star drama general
[04:30] == Silentagony has joined #subredditdrama
[04:30] <@Manator> Oh goodie
[04:30] <@Manator> Just who I wanted to talk to
[04:30] <+Silentagony> I don't have much time what's up
[04:30] <@Manator> About my proposition to become a mod
[04:31] <+T2_> hi Silentagony
[04:31] * T2_ waves
[04:31] <@Manator> I believe me being a mod would make a lot more people happier than RobotAnna. I don't know what your plan is to make everyone happy again, but I am doubtful it will work,.
[04:31] <+Silentagony> hello T2_
[04:32] <+Silentagony> ok there are 2 in line ahead of you
[04:32] <@Manator> I have a 20 point plan
[04:32] <+Silentagony> and I don't even know who you are
[04:32] <@Manator> I am LordGaga
[04:32] <+T2_> you should make bob a mod
[04:32] <@Manator> Trans MtF Moderator of SubredditDrama
[04:32] <+T2_> he would be a good representation of gay men
[04:33] <+Silentagony> oh lordgaga
[04:33] <+stopscopiesme> but manator, you've been a mod of other stuff
[04:33] <+Silentagony> well here's where we stand now:
[04:33] <@Manator> Yeah, but it's the one I put on my business card
[04:33] <+Silentagony> there are 2 people we're considering to add and
[04:33] <+Silentagony> we have a plan... in the works
[04:33] <+Silentagony> that I can't talk too much about in case it doesn't work
[04:33] <+Silentagony> but we have high hopes for it
[04:33] <@Manator> Ah
[04:33] <@Manator> I'd recommend you read http://www.reddit.com/r/SubredditDrama/comments/qjn8w/recap_the_tale_of_rlgbt_part_i/
[04:33] <@Manator> I'd recommend you read http://www.reddit.com/r/SubredditDrama/comments/qjn8w/recap_the_tale_of_rlgbt_part_ii/
[04:34] <@Manator> and there's a part III
[04:34] <@Manator> (I'm sure I messed up the url of part 2)
[04:34] <@Manator> I don't know about anyone else, but I want to stop the drama for you all
[04:34] <@Manator> Like quickly
[04:35] <@Manator> If your plan doesn't work, my 20 point plan is ready
[04:35] <+ReubenMcHawk> Manator for r/lgbt mod
[04:35] <@Manator> Trust me, I know drama, and I can stop it.
[04:36] <+ohsnow> TNT
[04:37] <+Silentagony> but you're *encouraging* it
[04:37] <+Silentagony> you're fueling it
[04:37] <+Silentagony> and if that's point 1 of your 20 point plan
[04:37] <+Silentagony> then I don't want any part of it
[04:38] <@Manator> Ok, good luck then.
[04:38] <+Silentagony> cause at that point you're basically holding us hostage
[04:38] <+xxlolitaxx> lol
[04:38] <@Manator> And i mean that.
[04:38] * ohsnow laughs
[04:38] <@Manator> Seriously.
[04:38] <+ReubenMcHawk> I think everyone can agree that the drama needs to end
[04:39] <@Manator> Aye.
[04:39] <+T2_> oh don't even say that ReubenMcHawk you leaked chat logs like YESTERDAY
[04:39] <+Silentagony> or blackmail
[04:39] <+Silentagony> one way or the other
[04:39] <@Manator> Blackmail? Wow, really?
[04:39] <+ReubenMcHawk> >leaking public chat logs
[04:39] <+ReubenMcHawk> Okay then
[04:39] <+T2_> To fuel drama
[04:39] <+T2_> yes
[04:39] <+ReubenMcHawk> Like I said in #reddit-lgbt a second ago, dropping the rotten eggs causing the drama should fix things.
[04:39] <@Manator> OK, it's obvious you're not serious.
[04:39] <+Silentagony> it's just saying "I hold the power to start or stop the drama and I will release the kracken or contain it depending on whether you make me a mod"
[04:39] <+Silentagony> uh what
[04:40] <@Manator> When you're ready to be serious, we can talk.
[04:40] <+stopscopiesme> I'm totally going to post this to SRD
[04:40] <@Manator> Trying to say we're blackmailing isn't going to do it for me.
[04:40] <@Manator> Goodbye
[04:40] <+T2_> If you're going to do something at least admit you're doing something
[04:40] <@Manator> Ban me again.
[04:40] <@Manator> I don't care. I wanted to help, but you don't care.
[04:40] <+Silentagony> I didn't ban you in the first place, and I do just get ever so tired of people offering themselves up for martyrbans
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[04:40] <+ReubenMcHawk> All my logs did was publicize a few already-public statements
[04:41] <+T2_> lol k
[04:41] <@Manator> btw, no one post logs here in SRD, got it?
[04:41] <+T2_> whoa
[04:41] <@Manator> If I see logs from here about this chat on SRD, they will be removed.
[04:41] <+T2_> hold up now.
[04:41] <+stopscopiesme> rmuser: what are your opinions on having LordGaga mod LGBT
[04:41] <@Manator> I am talking about this talk with them
[04:41] <@Manator> I don't want to see logs on the subreddit
[04:41] <+stopscopiesme> manator: but..the drana!
[04:41] <+rmuser> my opinion is no.
[04:42] <+rmuser> I see no need for that
[04:42] <+rmuser> unless this was being proposed as some kind of joke
[04:42] <+ReubenMcHawk> Can it go on /r/subredditdramadrama
[04:42] <+T2_> You intentionally go into my channel and log and publish them. But when someone comes into yours that's not kosher?
[04:42] <+ReubenMcHawk> ?
[04:42] <@Manator> No
[04:42] <@Manator> no joke
[04:42] <+ReubenMcHawk> Lol
[04:42] <+rmuser> in which case my answer is lol go ahead have fun
[04:42] <@Manator> 100% serious
[04:42] <+ReubenMcHawk> Alrighty
[04:42] <+stopscopiesme> had you and SA already decided before you came here?
[04:42] <+rmuser> on that question? yes
[04:42] <+rmuser> it had already been proposed privately
[04:43] <@Manator> Making a RobotAnna was a foolish decision. Deleting questions about the moderation staff was foolish.
[04:43] <+stopscopiesme> hmm. Thanks
[04:43] <@Manator> -a
[04:43] <+rmuser> Manator: what else is new
[04:43] <@Manator> Maybe you should all unban some users to make them happy again
[04:43] <+rmuser> I'm just wondering if srd has some suggestion or viewpoint to contribute that hasn't been reiterated ad nauseum
[04:43] <@Manator> Maybe then people will stop saying hurtful things
[04:43] <+ReubenMcHawk> I have one
[04:43] <+ReubenMcHawk> Drop the sources of the drama
[04:43] <+ReubenMcHawk> Cut all ties
[04:44] <+ReubenMcHawk> Return the subreddit to its original goals/points
[04:44] <+stopscopiesme> rmuser: you guys should keep a low profile if you want the drama to stop
[04:44] <+rmuser> though personally I'm really starting to appreciate this "r/lgbt mod sneezes, twelve srd posts to follow" cycle we're in
[04:44] <@Manator> We don't censor
[04:44] <+xxlolitaxx> it shows how serious people are about lgbt
[04:44] <+T2_> [22:40] <@Manator> If I see logs from here about this chat on SRD, they will be removed.
[04:44] <+stopscopiesme> rmuser: or post really awesome links in hopes it knocks drama off the front page?
[04:44] <@Manator> Yes, that is right
[04:45] <+rmuser> yes I'm quite aware of how serious this is to them
[04:45] <+tarabluh> rmuser can i be a mod: nobody ever responded to me:3
[04:45] <+T2_> [22:43] <@Manator> We don't censor
[04:45] <+ReubenMcHawk> It'd be against the rules, iirc
[04:45] <+tarabluh> except
[04:45] <+T2_> something is inconsistent here
[04:45] <+tarabluh> robotanna
[04:45] <+rmuser> it is the most serious thing that has ever happened, perhaps
[04:45] <@Manator> T2_: SRDD can have it
[04:45] <+ReubenMcHawk> Something about no SRD drama being on the subreddit
[04:45] <@Manator> :P
[04:45] <+rmuser> at least that's the general sense I'm getting
[04:45] <+tarabluh> doink
[04:45] <+T2_> [22:41] <+ReubenMcHawk> Can it go on /r/subredditdramadrama [22:41] <@Manator> No
[04:45] <+T2_> [22:41] <@Manator> no joke
[04:45] <@Manator> Oh, didn't see that
[04:45] <+tarabluh> no
[04:45] <+tarabluh> joke
[04:45] <+stopscopiesme> Hey, I already called posting this!
[04:46] <@Manator> Maybe you guys should just abandon r/lgbt
[04:46] <+stopscopiesme> DON'T STEAL MY KARMA. THIS SHIT IS SERIOSU
[04:46] <+T2_> well the term "lgbt" is shitty anyway
[04:46] <+stopscopiesme> *SERIOUS
[04:46] == mode/#subredditdrama [+m] by Manator
[04:46] <@Manator> one second
[04:46] <+rmuser> lgbt was just the most natural term, when I started it
[04:46] <+T2_> that is a lot of effort
[04:47] <@Manator> Things will be normal in a moment
[04:47] <@Manator> Without spoiling everything, are you sure the plan will work?
[04:47] <@Manator> To make a positive change?
[04:47] <+rmuser> also I hope you don't mind if I'm a bit skeptical of drama reduction suggestions from srd
[04:48] <+rmuser> I mean, you may be the experts but there's also a clear conflict of interest
[04:48] <+rmuser> and no, we're absolutely not sure
[04:48] <+rmuser> we were never sure in the first place with any of this
[04:48] <@Manator> If there is no drama to post, then no posts would be in SRD
[04:48] <+rmuser> these things are pretty hard to foresee
[04:48] <+rmuser> I didn't say I mind
[04:49] <+rmuser> if anything, it's interesting
[04:49] <@Manator> My first suggesiton? Have an open, unbiased interview process to add on new mods
[04:49] <+rmuser> up until now I had little idea how deeply, personally invested some people are in this
[04:49] <+rmuser> I mean it seems like we've actually broken some hearts
[04:49] <@Manator> Try not adding people just to say "screw you!". That shows that you don't care about your subscribers or your subreddit
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[04:50] <@Manator> Yes, I'm a mod of SRD, but I can promise you that more people will see it as a positive change and not a negative one
[04:50] <@Manator> Especially being a member of the LGBT community myself.
[04:51] <+rmuser> let's just say we're looking things over, there are various plans in the wings, and we're taking it as we go
[04:51] <@Manator> OK
[04:51] <@Manator> Just remember my offer to help still stands
[04:52] <+rmuser> a lot of quite qualified people have volunteered themselves
[04:52] <+rmuser> and they are being considered
[04:52] <@Manator> I carry a lot of clout
[04:52] <+rmuser> I can say there's also some outreach going on
[04:52] <@Manator> Not as much as you, of course, but it's substantal
[04:52] <+rmuser> this is all behind the scenes right now but we hope to make some progress soon
[04:53] <+rmuser> well, if anything, what I've learned from this is that I actually have pretty much no clout at all
[04:53] <+rmuser> and I never really thought I had much
[04:53] <+rmuser> this whole episode does seem pretty damn significant to a lot of people though
[04:54] <@Manator> You're Zinnia Jones, you have like +1000000000 influence power! Try not to downplay that. So when you make a decision like adding on a mod to make people mad, that goes a loooong way.
[04:55] <+rmuser> people don't know that's me
[04:55] <+rmuser> given that when it's mentioned, there's always surprise
[04:55] <+rmuser> I'm not exactly a big name redditor
[04:56] <@Manator> Alright, this is going nowhere I see
[04:56] <+rmuser> of course,
[04:56] <+rmuser> I could just be like DEAR REDDIT I AM ZINNIA JONES FEAR ME
[04:56] <+catrolean> hay
[04:56] <+rmuser> I don't think this would be a good tactic either though
[04:56] <@Manator> Forget it, I changed my mind
[04:56] <+catrolean> so like is there an explanation for why a private interview wasn't put in an interview space because this confuzzled me
[04:57] <+catrolean> I'm so lost
[04:57] == rmuser was kicked from #subredditdrama by Manator [forget it]
[04:57] <+catrolean> also zinnia jones is
[04:57] <+catrolean> wat
[04:57] == Silentagony was kicked from #subredditdrama by Manator [get out]
[04:57] <+catrolean> why did you kick zinnia
[04:57] <+catrolean> why
[04:57] <+catrolean> why
[04:57] <@Manator> I'm tired of it
[04:57] <+tarabluh> FUK THA POLICE
[04:57] <+catrolean> you just kicked zinnia jones
[04:57] <@Manator> I was trying to be nice
[04:57] <+ohsnow> wowwowowie
[04:57] <+catrolean> and SA
[04:57] <+tarabluh> that's
[04:57] <@Manator> yeah and
[04:57] <+tarabluh> yeah
[04:57] <+catrolean> how was she not nice?
[04:57] <+tarabluh> she was quite reasonable
[04:57] <+tarabluh> just
[04:57] <+tarabluh> she didn't believe that she mattered and her decisions mattered
[04:57] <+catrolean> she literally just said that she doesn't think it would be an awesome tactic
[04:58] <+tarabluh> she needs to um
[04:58] <@Manator> They were ignoring me
[04:58] <+tarabluh> what's the word
[04:58] <+catrolean> like obviously she's not going to make a decision right here
[04:58] <+tarabluh> not man up
[04:58] <+tarabluh> but like
[04:58] <+stopscopiesme> They had already decided
[04:58] <+ReubenMcHawk> While all this was going down, I made this: http://www.reddit.com/r/killblacky/
[04:58] <+tarabluh> a way to put that that isn't hella gender normative and patriarchal
[04:58] <+ReubenMcHawk> Let's fill it up with some sweet irony
[04:58] <@Manator> Feel free to post the logs, I changed my mind
[04:58] <+catrolean> see ReubenMcHawk the difference is like
[04:58] <+stopscopiesme> I asked that because I had a suspcion
[04:58] <+catrolean> there's a history of violence against black people
[04:58] <+catrolean> and that just makes you a racist
[04:59] <+ohsnow> boom racism
[04:59] <+stopscopiesme> there is a real serious "niggers" subreddit
[04:59] <+ReubenMcHawk> I've seen that
[04:59] <+ReubenMcHawk> loled a bit
[04:59] <+stopscopiesme> If anything should be stopped, its that
[04:59] <+ReubenMcHawk> Then wondered how it's still up
[04:59] <+stopscopiesme> I didn't lol. I frowned
[04:59] <+xxlolitaxx> The mods of lgbt are idiots
[04:59] <+catrolean> because reddit is pro-freespeechlol
[04:59] <@Manator> They can ban me from r/lgbt again
[04:59] <+ReubenMcHawk> Eh, I'm into racist humor
[04:59] <@Manator> I'm putting my weight behind r/ainbow
[04:59] <+xxlolitaxx> they can't see they are the root of the problem
[04:59] <+catrolean> yeah uhmmm ReubenMcHawk I think you're just a racist
[04:59] <+ReubenMcHawk> Not actual racism
[04:59] <@Manator> I don't give a fuck anymore
[04:59] <+catrolean> awesome so you're a racist
[04:59] <+catrolean> that makes you a racist
[04:59] <@Manator> I'M FICKLE
[04:59] <+tarabluh> im
[04:59] <+tarabluh> hitler
[04:59] <+tarabluh> fyi
[04:59] <+T2_> lol
[04:59] <+catrolean> being into racist humour makes you a racist yes
[04:59] <@Manator> Literally?
[05:00] <+ohsnow> catrolean is a racist
[05:00] <+tabbycat7> Who am I?
[05:00] <+tarabluh> im also violentacrez
[05:00] <+T2_> lhitlerally
[05:00] <+tabbycat7> Why am I here?
[05:00] <+ReubenMcHawk> Not gonna bother typing a paragraph about the difference between legit racism and racist humor
[05:00] <+tarabluh> secretly
[05:00] <+T2_> Please do
[05:00] <+tarabluh> don't tell anyone
[05:00] <+T2_> I'm sure it would be hilarious
[05:00] <+tarabluh> um ReubenMcHawk
[05:00] <@Manator> So
[05:00] <+stopscopiesme> cartolean: how typical for someone of your race to think that
[05:00] <+tarabluh> racist humor
[05:00] <@Manator> Thoughts
[05:00] <+tarabluh> kind of uh
[05:00] <+tarabluh> reinforces racism
[05:00] <+catrolean> oh lol
[05:00] <+tarabluh> and racist idea
[05:00] <+ReubenMcHawk> I laugh at "A minority walks into a bar" jokes, but I don't hate any minority
[05:00] <+tarabluh> s
[05:00] <+tarabluh> and normalizes them
[05:00] <+stopscopiesme> manator: thoughts? you mad
[05:00] <+xxlolitaxx> The mods of lgbt have no idea what they're doing is my thought.
[05:00] <+ReubenMcHawk> Tbh laughing at racism kind of downplays it imo
[05:01] <+tarabluh> yes, but they're funny because at some level, you hold that idea to be vaguely true
[05:01] <+xxlolitaxx> By making RA a mod they showed that clearly
[05:01] <+ohsnow> Oh hey look everyone I took a sociology class
[05:01] <+T2_> no but you're not laughing AT racism
[05:01] <@Manator> They don't care
[05:01] <+stopscopiesme> In comedy, NOTHING should be sacred
[05:01] <@Manator> They can talk and talk and talk
[05:01] <+catrolean> oh lol stopscopiesme you're so clever
[05:01] <+ReubenMcHawk> ^
[05:01] <@Manator> but they don't care
[05:01] <+T2_> You're laughing at hypothetical minorities who area a victim of racism
[05:01] <@Manator> they don't give two shits about their subredditr
[05:01] <@Manator> AT ALL
[05:01] <@Manator> And that's what pisses me off the most
[05:01] <+ReubenMcHawk> Either way, humor doesn't reflect on who I am
[05:01] <@Manator> I always listen to feedback
[05:01] <+stopscopiesme> cartolean: Thanks :) I try
[05:01] <+catrolean> I'm white so my views on systematic racism don't matter
[05:01] <@Manator> Always
[05:01] <+catrolean> sosweet
[05:01] <+ReubenMcHawk> I like every race
[05:01] <+ReubenMcHawk> I laugh at jokes of any race
[05:01] <+catrolean> you just also think their stereotypes are 'funny'
[05:01] <+catrolean> rather than joking
[05:02] <+catrolean> the thing is
[05:02] <+catrolean> white people don't have all these derogatory 'jokes' about them
[05:02] <+catrolean> so you don't really get to say that
[05:02] <+xxlolitaxx> I honestly don't know how some mods think they can just put their iron will on a community. It's impossible in a large community.
[05:02] <+ReubenMcHawk> All stereotypes have some truth to them, but they're not as widespread as jokes and media make them seem
[05:02] <+catrolean> there are a few stragglers but it's a large scale thing
[05:02] <+xxlolitaxx> The community agrees or they don't.
[05:02] <+catrolean> no
[05:02] <+tarabluh> doink
[05:02] <+catrolean> stereotypes don't have truth
[05:02] <+catrolean> they just say random things
[05:02] <+Spaceboy> racist jokes are funny
[05:02] <+catrolean> which are true of all people
[05:02] <+T2_> "All stereotypes have some truth to them"
[05:02] <+ReubenMcHawk> Are you trolling right now
[05:02] <+catrolean> and then you start to see it
[05:03] <+catrolean> no I'm not trolling
[05:03] <+stopscopiesme> catrolean: are we pissing you off? or poe's law?
[05:03] <+ReubenMcHawk> Feel free to quote me on that, btw
[05:03] <+ohsnow> What do you call a white girl with a yeast infection?
[05:03] <+catrolean> you just literally made a subreddit called 'killblackey'