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  1. BLOW THE WHISTLE ON JOINDIASPORA.COM AND USER ACCOUNT DATA + PICTURES BEING STORED ON AMAZON SERVERS FOR 2 YEARS WITHOUT TELLING ANY OF US AND YOU WILL GET CALLED
  2.  
  3. 'A Troll'
  4.  
  5. 'A Spammer'
  6.  
  7. 'Stupid'
  8.  
  9. & MY BRINGING THIS TO LIGHT FOR EVERYONE WORLDWIDE USING DIASPORA EQUALS
  10.  
  11. "Tinfoil-hat bullshit"
  12.  
  13. Says Sean Tilley, Community Manager For https://joindiaspora.com
  14. In response to this serious breach of privacy and security
  15. for ALL THOSE ON THAT MASSIVE POD.
  16.  
  17. DOCUMENTATION IS AS FOLLOWS:
  18.  
  19. Since this conversation needs to be documented for #everyone #worldwide on #diaspora, i am going to format the conversation with comments here from my old Profile since who knows what JoinDiaspora.com is going to do... Delete my profile because i raised this issue, shut down, change servers and have all of you lose your posts as they are on AMAZON SERVERS, WHO KNOWS?.
  20.  
  21. This i feel needs to be documented, preserved and shared. Please Re-Share THIS #POST, not the ones from the profile i had on a ' #Community #Pod ' run on #Amazon #Servers in the #USA. Thank You.
  22.  
  23. First Post w/ Replies: 08/11/2013
  24.  
  25. One last thought. Since #Diaspora uses #amazon web services for its cloud and all my posts end up there as i am not running my own #pod, how can i be certain #censorship will not take place if i did #continue to #post here?
  26.  
  27. https://aws.amazon.com/aup/
  28.  
  29. Harmful or Fraudulent Activities: "Activities that may be harmful to... our reputation."
  30.  
  31. *This coming from Amazon.com, one of the worlds leading CORPORATIONS.
  32.  
  33. Infringing Content. "Content that infringes or misappropriates the intellectual property or proprietary rights of others."
  34.  
  35. Well, i guess since i don't own the rights to any gif or image posted here, i again also polluted Diaspora with infringing content which may in fact be an issue since again, JoinDiaspora.com uses Amazon Cloud Services for hosting.
  36.  
  37. Offensive Content. " Content that is...otherwise objectionable"
  38.  
  39. Well, who fucking decides that? Can an #ADMIN respond?
  40.  
  41. Comment #1: (Sean Tilley)
  42.  
  43. Not all Diaspora pods make use of Amazon AWS. Joindiaspora.com just happens to use it as a content distribution network for uploaded photos, as a CDN can really take the strain off of a server. Regarding Intellectual Property, I think many of the images you've uploaded would easily fall under "Fair Use".
  44.  
  45. It's worth noting that if you'd like to share pictures without actually uploading them in posts, you can link-embed an image from elsewhere using the Markdown syntax that Diaspora supports in both status updates and comments.
  46.  
  47. If anything, if any photo censorship were to happen, it would be Amazon doing it, not Diaspora. This has never happened on JoinDiaspora.com in the past.
  48.  
  49. Comment #2: (Santiago Roland)
  50.  
  51. Saying "Diaspora uses" is wrong, maybe you mean just this pod. Since Diaspora its opensource and de-centralized, it can be installed in, say, a university server and run from there, so no Amazon there. If you have a domain, you can install it in your own home and give away accounts from there, say, to your friends or community. Best regards.
  52.  
  53. Comment #3: (p1x3l f15h)
  54.  
  55. @ Santiago ... READ MY POST AGAIN PLEASE. @ Sean, So what you are saying is... there is no assurance and i can be censored for anything at anytime if Amazon sees fit. You also admit that JoinDiaspora is using Amazon Cloud services and any content i and others post through JoinDiaspora is being hosted on Amazon?
  56.  
  57. So, that might be a nice thing to make really public.. I mean to all users who might use JoinDiaspora.com. Again, i do not have a pod, so all my uploads are now permanent records on Amazon's servers and at the same time the only response is, host it elsewhere and try not to worry?
  58.  
  59. #Epic-Fail #404
  60.  
  61. Comment #4: (p1x3l f15h)
  62.  
  63. FROM #DIASPORA :
  64.  
  65. "Most social networks are run from centralized servers owned and run by a corporation. These store all the private data of their users."
  66.  
  67. "It is also more easy for governments to 'listen in'."
  68.  
  69. HOW TO YOU ALL FEEL ABOUT AMAZON & THE NSA?
  70.  
  71. "You're not limited to how you can interact."
  72.  
  73. REALLY? WHY WAS I TOLD I WAS FUCKING THINGS UP BY FLOODING HOME STREAMS THEN?
  74.  
  75. "Privacy Total control over what is yours "
  76.  
  77. THAT IS A BOLD FACED FUCKING LIE.
  78.  
  79. NOWHERE DOES IT SAY SHIT IS HOSTED ON AMAZON SERVERS YET YOU ADMIT THIS! WTF?
  80.  
  81. Comment #5: (Sean Tilley)
  82.  
  83. What I am saying is that if Amazon were to censor your image for whatever reason (unlikely), that wouldn't be Diaspora censoring you, that would be Amazon. Amazon might be able to censor the image, but it wouldn't be able to just make your post go away. We just use Amazon's CDN for photos; that's it.
  84.  
  85. If you really want to post "Amazon-objectionable" material, you can easily link an image using Markdown image links. Logically, there's nothing Amazon can do with content outside of its own network.
  86.  
  87. Comment #6: (Sean Tilley)
  88.  
  89. It's also worth noting that the image records aren't permanent. Try uploading an image, getting the image link location to the Amazon origin, and deleting that post.
  90.  
  91. Comment #7: (Sean Tilley)
  92.  
  93. Here's one I just uploaded and then deleted: https://joindiaspora.s3.amazonaws.com/uploads/images/scaled_full_5d13b8e247b2f850b2e8.jpg
  94.  
  95. Comment #8: (p1x3l f15h)
  96.  
  97. NOWHERE DOES IT SAY SHIT IS HOSTED ON AMAZON SERVERS YET YOU ADMIT THIS! WTF?
  98.  
  99. FROM #DIASPORA :
  100.  
  101. Redirected from https://joindiaspora.com
  102.  
  103. https://diasporafoundation.org/about
  104.  
  105. "Most social networks are run from centralized servers owned and run by a corporation. These store all the private data of their users."
  106.  
  107. "It is also more easy for governments to 'listen in'."
  108.  
  109. HOW DO YOU ALL FEEL ABOUT AMAZON & THE NSA? TRUST THEM? I FUCKING DO NOT.
  110.  
  111. "You're not limited to how you can interact."
  112.  
  113. REALLY? WHY WAS I TOLD I WAS FUCKING THINGS UP BY FLOODING HOME STREAMS THEN?
  114.  
  115. "Privacy Total control over what is yours "
  116.  
  117. THAT IS A BOLD FACED FUCKING LIE.
  118.  
  119. Comment #9:(p1x3l f15h)
  120.  
  121. #ROFL YOU SHOW ME A XML OF A JPG THAT STILL EXISTS ON A HD THAT CAN BE RECOVERED AND MIGHT EVEN STILL BE STORED FOR ALL YOU KNOW AND THAT TELLS ME WHAT?
  122.  
  123. YOU PEOPLE HAVE NO CLUE ABOUT SECURITY.
  124.  
  125. SHIT... I am definitely outa' here. Good luck to you all.
  126.  
  127. Comment #10: (Sean Tilley)
  128.  
  129. Well, joindiaspora.com isn't just the only Diaspora installation around. It's an option for pod owners, and this pod is a huge one with lots of users. Diaspora by default doesn't use Amazon unless it's specifically configured to.
  130.  
  131. Comment #11: (p1x3l f15h)
  132.  
  133. NOT A SINGLE THING I CAN FIND ANYWHERE IN ALL DIASPORA INFO SAYS YOU USE AMAZON FOR JOINDIASPORA.COM, IN FACT.. IT APPEARS YOU ARE ALL INTENTIONALLY MISLEADING PEOPLE INTO THINKING THESE ARE ALL COMMUNITY PODS FROM VOLUNTEERS. IF YOU HOST WITH AMAZON, YOU ARE NOT WHAT YOU SAY YOU ARE.
  134.  
  135. Comment #12: (Sean Tilley)
  136.  
  137. We're not directing people to it from Diasporafoundation.org either. Most of Diaspora's pods are, in fact, completely run by volunteers in their spare time with their own money. To say otherwise would be disingenuous.
  138.  
  139. Like I said, we just use Amazon as a CDN for photos, nothing else. No status updates or user data. Could we use something else for photos? Sure! And I'll likely be talking to guy that updates our pod about alternatives. But if you think the NSA is going to hunt you down over some copyrighted photos you uploaded, think again.
  140.  
  141. If you don't like it, don't use it. If you'd like to close your account, you can do so with the "Close my Account" in the user settings here.
  142.  
  143. Comment #13: (p1x3l f15h)
  144.  
  145. NO I WANT THIS UP AND PLEASE DON'T DELETE MY PAGE. I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT EVEN MORE THAN EVER NOW IT EXISTS AS IS.
  146.  
  147. Comment #14: (Jen J)
  148.  
  149. Did you go with Amazon CDN because photos need a lot of space compared to other data? I imagine there has got to be someone else with more space who can host Diaspora photos who supports open source projects.
  150.  
  151. Comment #15: (p1x3l f15h)
  152.  
  153. TO NOT TELL ANYONE THAT ONE MAJOR HUB INCLUDING THE ONE I USED TO USE THIS SITE, RUNS ON AMAZON SERVERS IS FUCKING BULLSHIT. YOU ARE CLEARLY TRYING TO PERFORM DAMAGE CONTROL AND GETTING YOU TO ADMIT THAT THIS IS THE CASE IS LIKE PULLING TEETH. THAT GOES AGAINST EVERYTHING ALL OF US HERE BELIEVE IN. TELLING ME TO CLOSE MY ACCOUNT, NOT WORRY, BELIEVE IT'S OK BECAUSE OTHER PODS DON'T USE AMAZON IS PRETTY FUCKED UP MAN. HOLY FUCKING BULLSHIT.
  154.  
  155. Comment #16: (Sean Tilley)
  156.  
  157. @Jen: Yes, that's entirely the reason why. Joindiaspora just happens to be one of the biggest pods with lots of users connecting to other pods. Without a CDN, a big pod would be likely to choke on serving up so many images.
  158.  
  159. Comment #17: (p1x3l f15h)
  160.  
  161. Let's have a conversation about why Diaspora uses Amazon and not the fact that Dispora DOES USE AMAZON and TELLS NO ONE ANYWHERE HOW TO AVOID IT is a great idea. Kudos to both Jen and Sean.
  162.  
  163. Comment #18: (Sean Tilley)
  164.  
  165. @Pixel I won't delete your page, but I'd really love to see you act a little nicer towards me. I'm doing my best to explain things to you.
  166.  
  167. You're throwing a huge tantrum over the fact that this pod uses Amazon for photos. It's not like they can just arbitrarily see any of your private posts, private messages, likes, or comments. On top of that, this pod makes no use of any analytics software whatsoever.
  168.  
  169. Comment #19: (p1x3l f15h)
  170.  
  171. @Sean ... If you don't like the fact that i am upset because #DIASPORA has effectively #lied to the #world re: privacy and use of community pods vs #corporate entities... I can't help it.
  172.  
  173. If you think i am throwing a #tantrum over the fact that this #pod uses #amazon and doesn't tell people... well YEAH I FUCKING AM.
  174.  
  175. WHERE THE FUCK DO YOU GET OFF MAKING THIS ABOUT ME?
  176.  
  177. MAN THE FUCK UP, OWN UP AND CLEARLY STATE THIS SHIT ON JOINDIASPORA.COM AND ANY OTHER DIASPORA RELATED SITE LIKE FUCKING NOW. GET IT? YOU OWE US ALL THAT HONESTY.
  178.  
  179. AND FUCK YOU FOR TRYING TO MAKE THIS ABOUT ME.
  180.  
  181. IT'S NOT.
  182.  
  183. Comment #20: (Sean Tilley)
  184.  
  185. I'll see what I can do about putting up a notice about it. But to say that Diaspora is "lying" to the world about privacy is untrue, not to mention an unfair statement. It's not like Diaspora's code just ships out of the box to automatically hook up to Amazon.
  186.  
  187. Comment #21: (p1x3l f15h)
  188.  
  189. So when a user right clicks any image on Diaspora i posted and a record is made of them downloading it from Amazon, regardless of what pod they are on... Is no biggie to you or this project?
  190.  
  191. #Super-Epic-Fail #Diaspora #Honesty #Truth
  192.  
  193. Comment #22: (Sean Tilley)
  194.  
  195. Where do you get the idea that Amazon's CDN even knows who's downloading what specifically? Is the NSA going to track you down over some cat photo you viewed in the browser somewhere?
  196.  
  197. Comment #23: (p1x3l f15h)
  198.  
  199. Again.. I AM NOT WORRIED ABOUT THE NSA SEAN! Jesus, clean out your ears man.. Put on some glasses.. I take issue with the fact that you use Amazon Servers and DISCLOSE THIS NOWHERE! And have not seen fit to disclose this for 2 years you told me today on these posts? WTF?
  200.  
  201. Don't you think OTHERS HERE MIGHT WANT TO KNOW THAT?
  202.  
  203. Comment #24: (Sean Tilley)
  204.  
  205. If I found a place to put a notice or something up, would you stop harassing me and treated me like I'm some kind of piece of shit? You put words in my mouth and make me out to be this awful person, and honestly, I don't know how much more of this I can fucking handle.
  206.  
  207. Comment #25: (p1x3l f15h)
  208.  
  209. Sean... Look... i am irritated at this point admittedly because it took me hours to get this information from you. No where is it posted not anywhere man... I mean come on, can't you see some folks here might really, really, really not want their shit on Amazon servers?
  210.  
  211. Look, All i want is for you to make this project WORK. I fear that this discovery and lack of disclosure is hurting this project. I want this to succeed. Hell, i'd still be here doing what i love doing gladly if it wasn't connected to Amazon as i found out earlier today.
  212.  
  213. I feel you have 2 options, one includes the other in part.
  214.  
  215. a.) Full Disclosure That DIASPORA uses AMAZON Servers for Image Hosting on JOINDIASPORA.COM and all related Diaspora pages eventually that point to it if this is going to continue.
  216.  
  217. b.) Find another hosting solution and still disclose that for 2 years this has happened and give US ALL a chance to at least decide if we want to delete our PICS or ACCOUNTS entirely because of this.
  218.  
  219. That is what i am asking. I don't like arguing and i don't enjoy feeling hostile. I am actually a pretty chill person if you knew me.
  220.  
  221. This though.. this is something i cannot dismiss.
  222.  
  223. Comment #26: (Sean Tilley)
  224.  
  225. Look Pixel, I'm actually a really chill guy too, and it's upset me that you've basically done the equivalent of yelling at me for hours through a keyboard. Now the sun is coming up and I probably won't get any sleep at all today. How do you think I feel?
  226.  
  227. Comment #27: (p1x3l f15h)
  228.  
  229. Probably not as pissed as i am having not been told my images were all going on Amazon servers and making me worry for every #hacktivist worldwide who's used JoinDiaspora.com lol ;-)
  230.  
  231. END PART 1.
  232.  
  233.  
  234. Part 2 : Re: #JoinDiaspora.com 's use of AMAZON SERVERS FOR IMAGE AND USER DATA.
  235.  
  236. First read this: https://wk3.org/posts/943835
  237.  
  238. It's really fucking sad to me that #open-source #linux geeks are being #lied to and no one fucking cares.
  239.  
  240. You have people all over the world using #JoinDiaspora.com to access this #Social-Network, and you inform NONE OF THEM that any of their #ANARCHIST #ANARCHY #ANARCHISM Related #IMAGE #POSTS are being DIRECTLY uploaded and then downloaded by EVERYONE from AMAZON SERVERS.
  241.  
  242. I ask, ask again, point out i'm not getting an answer to WHY NO DISCLOSURE RE: AMAZON SERVER USE, instead i get #bullshit. I get told this concern is a #tantrum, i get told i was not #nice ... And then all of a sudden it's what? Bed time? No more responses? Just some vague half ass "I'll see what I can do about putting up a notice about it. " response to a security concern for ALL #DIASPORA #USERS Worldwide? Anyone who right clicks any single image i posted is doing so from AMAZON!
  243.  
  244. You know what? I am going to make sure people worldwide know about this.. In fact, that's my new project. So let's see if i can help Sean and others find it in their #hearts to take a moment, and #INFORM YOU ALL that what you think you are using here.. IS NOT PRIVATE AND OFF CORPORATE SERVERS if you POST AN IMAGE ON JOINDIASPORA.com like i had been.
  245.  
  246. Comment #1: (Hernan Labbe)
  247.  
  248. Yes is is a real concern for me also. I am just waiting until I can migrate pods without losing my profile. Then, it will be much easier to test pods and find one you feel comfortable with both in the technically and ideologically.
  249.  
  250. Comment #2: (Sean Tilley)
  251.  
  252. Well, let's let the comment threads speak for themselves, shall we?
  253.  
  254. https://www.joindiaspora.com/posts/2943326 https://www.joindiaspora.com/posts/2943248
  255.  
  256. Comment #3: (Sean Tilley)
  257.  
  258. Also relevant: http://www.nczonline.net/blog/2011/11/29/how-content-delivery-networks-cdns-work/
  259.  
  260. Comment #4: (p1x3l f15h)
  261.  
  262. That's your EXCUSE because you are too lazy and don't care about actual privacy Sean? Wow... I think you just said it all man. No official response planned eh? No word for any one of the sites that review Diaspora and point us to JOINDIASPORA.com as a privacy minded alternative to #facebook and #google?
  263.  
  264. That's your response to every single #anarchist #vegan #feminist #activist #hacktivist #anonymous #member here who's posted things while on the JOINDIASPORA POD for the LAST 2 YEARS?
  265.  
  266. I am sorry to say you have achieved and epic level of resistance to #honesty, full #disclosure and basic #information without hours of #bullshit beyond any level i've ever encountered.
  267.  
  268. You sir, are my new #anti-hero .
  269.  
  270. People... Read this shit, we've been had all along.
  271.  
  272. Comment #5: (Sean Tilley)
  273.  
  274. "One point to note is that DNS resolution is done based on the IP address of your resolver and not of your machine. This means that if you’re in MA, but using a DNS provider based in CA, then the CDN will think that you’re in CA and direct you there."
  275.  
  276. Comment #6: (p1x3l f15h)
  277.  
  278. PEOPLE ARE UPLOADING SHIT TO AMAZON SERVERS SEAN... ADMIT YOU DON'T FUCKING CARE AND DON'T THINK IT'S AN ISSUE SO WE CAN ALL JUST MOVE ON ALREADY. THANKS.
  279.  
  280. Comment #7: (Sean Tilley)
  281.  
  282. People are uploading pictures. If you think the NSA is going to take you down because you saw a cat photo served up on Amazon's CDN, you clearly need to crack open a book and look into how the modern internet actually works.
  283.  
  284. Comment #8: (Cytoxic)
  285.  
  286. Does amazon know, which user did the upload?
  287.  
  288. Comment #9: (p1x3l f15h)
  289.  
  290. HOLY SHIT! OK.. at least now you are focused that they are pic's. And for some users.. they also contain LOCATION INFORMATION, which thanks to YOU is now on AMAZON servers BRA... #FAIL
  291.  
  292. Comment #10: (Sean Tilley)
  293.  
  294. @Cytoxic: no
  295.  
  296. Comment #11: (Cytoxic)
  297.  
  298. If they dont Know who did the upload, than i see no problem
  299.  
  300. Comment #12: (Sean Tilley)
  301.  
  302. Exactly. The only reason I'd switch from Amazon is likely because I don't care for them much as a company, not because of something like this.
  303.  
  304. Comment #13: (p1x3l f15h)
  305.  
  306. OK... so i am satisfied with all your information Sean. To review... I know nothing about the internet, i am throwing a tantrum because i posted to Amazon Servers without being informed of this, I am an ass for freaking out about it, I am an idiot that didn't point out just now that some pics have plenty of EXIF data including location... So, thanks for the info and the history of the lack of full disclosure from Diaspora as a whole re: This pod, use of Corporate Networks such as Amazon, and a cheap lesson in how you think security works when a pic is deleted (Which i still find mind-boggling.. are you really unaware of recovery methods and mirroring for Raid arrays?)
  307.  
  308. I am absolutely disgusted. No plans on telling the public from you, no real clear sense that you even care about our privacy... It's been an eye opening experience i'll never forget.
  309.  
  310. @ Cytoxic .. Download your XML data and look at it. Then stop and think about cross referencing info w/ Amazon... Duh.
  311.  
  312. Comment #14: (p1x3l f15h)
  313.  
  314. "The only reason I'd switch from Amazon is likely because I don't care for them much as a company, not because of something like this." Sean Tilley re: Use of Amazon Servers to host private Diaspora Images.
  315.  
  316. Comment #15: (Sean Tilley)
  317.  
  318. @Pixel: I care plenty about privacy. What I don't care about is your tinfoil-hat bullshit.
  319.  
  320. Comment #16: (p1x3l f15h)
  321.  
  322. @Sean ... I am not worried about the NSA you tinfoil-hat bullshit calling 'Community Manager' ... What i am concerned about is the fact that you have sites like TECH CRUNCH pointing people here saying this is a private network that is de-centralized when it isn't.
  323.  
  324. You use corporate servers and care nothing about informing folks of that in this project? In my estimation, you jeopardize the entire good name of #Diaspora and what it could be on private community run pods without such Corporate crap.
  325.  
  326. Your excuses and lack of respect for MY PRIVACY and ALL POSTING through JOINDIASPORA.COM is beyond reprehensible.
  327.  
  328. Response?
  329.  
  330. Comment #17: (p1x3l f15h)
  331.  
  332. Would #anonymous like to comment on this policy, lack of disclosure and your plans not to tell people officially?
  333.  
  334. Comment #18: (Sean Tilley)
  335.  
  336. Most Anons, upon reading the full information of how all this shit works, would tell you that you're in fact stupid.
  337.  
  338. Comment #19: (Sean Tilley)
  339.  
  340. Diaspora is in fact decentralized, and private posts and messages are in fact respected. The outside world can't see them. The only thing the outside world would BE ABLE to see are the photos, which, guess what, is one of the only drawbacks of CDNs at this point in history. If it weren't Amazon, it would be some other CDN, and you'd probably have the same complaint.
  341. Guess what, most people in the world in fact use servers that are run by a company, ergo a corporation! Shocking, I know!
  342.  
  343. You've been spamming me with all this inflammatory bullshit for hours, I've had quite enough and need to get some fucking sleep. Your behaviour has been incredibly rude and trollish this entire time, leading to almost no actual constructive conversation. I've had enough.
  344.  
  345. Comment #20: (p1x3l f15h)
  346.  
  347. https://joindiaspora.com/posts/2943855 ?
  348.  
  349. Comment #21: (Colin Boyd)
  350.  
  351. This sounds like a debate that needs to be had without the preachy screechy unconstructive ranting that's unfortunately so characteristic of the activist community.
  352.  
  353. Comment #22: (p1x3l f15h)
  354.  
  355. I just want people to be informed, Diaspora is not disclosing use of Amazon servers and all major write-ups about Diaspora point people to JOINDIASPORA.com ... Not a private pod.
  356.  
  357. Apparently this was way too much to ask and a very sore spot for those keeping this on the down low for 2 years publicly now.
  358.  
  359. Comment #23: (Sean Tilley)
  360.  
  361. "Keeping this on the down-low."...as if to imply that this was some big huge malicious secret? The conspiracy of all conspiracies? Perhaps the Illuminati was involved!
  362.  
  363. Fact is, this is something that could probably be fixed as easily as coming up with a method for stripping EXIF data out of image uploads as the upload is happening. Depending on how decentralized CDN technologies like PeerCDN develop (based on WebRTC), the need for traditional CDNs may evaporate in the future.
  364.  
  365. Comment #24: (p1x3l f15h)
  366.  
  367. But it has not happened as you point out now to me, it is also a security concern that you see could be fixed. You also see that alternatives to Amazon exist. Inform us all publicly that Amazon Servers are being used, have been for 2 years and give us the option of deleting content or accounts please. That is what i am asking, nothing more.
  368.  
  369. Comment #25: (Lars Vegas)
  370.  
  371. Hearing an expression like "tinfoil-hat bullshit" from a head of a project which focuses on decentralization, privacy and user control has a bit of a bitter taste... mildly said. Maybe the original poster is expressing himself inappropriate but in the end he's right. Amazon is one of the biggest data collectors of the internet and thus far away from being the perfect partner for a Diaspora pod.
  372.  
  373. Comment #26: (Malte Dik)
  374.  
  375. pixel fish, why don't you just move to another pod like https://diaspora.subsignal.org/. It's a server hosted on private infrastructure (like, the people who run it can touch it if they want to) in Germany.
  376.  
  377. Comment #27: (p1x3l f15h)
  378.  
  379. @ Malte ... won't i lose my profile here?
  380.  
  381. Comment #28: (p1x3l f15h)
  382.  
  383. @ Malte ... what about all my pics? :-(
  384.  
  385. Comment #29: (p1x3l f15h)
  386.  
  387. https://joindiaspora.com/posts/2944141
  388.  
  389. Comment #30: (Malte Dik)
  390.  
  391. You created all that content? Seriously?
  392.  
  393. Comment #31: (p1x3l f15h)
  394.  
  395. I mean the pics i uploaded lol... I only created a couple of images for here thus far. And if you are referring to 'did i upload that much content'? Well, yeah... like i said.. i'm a fucking caffeinated kopimist on disability who tries to do something meaningful each day whether my sharing is taken as such or not.
  396.  
  397. Comment #32: (Gary V Deutschmann Sr)
  398.  
  399. Well, you may be glad to know, that your language just got you hidden from me!
  400.  
  401. Comment #33: (Malte Dik)
  402.  
  403. It can stay on this account and then you continue on another, can't it? You can't be a koptimist and then be like "Oh noez, Amahzun coppid my coppiez!".
  404.  
  405. Comment #34: (p1x3l f15h)
  406.  
  407. Gary... buy a maxi pad and tell someone who cares.
  408.  
  409. Comment #35: (p1x3l f15h)
  410.  
  411. I have no problem with my content being on Amazon, as i have been assured that Amazon has NEVER CENSORED ANY DIASPORA POST from Sean Tilley earlier in these comments. I have also been assured that due to the way the CDN is configured... no one can tell who downloads what from Amazon. I've also been reassured that when any of us delete a file, Amazon has no other copies and it's completely gone as Sean Tilley pointed out in a demonstration here on my posts as well. So, i have no issue as i will continue to post, however.. I did and still do take issue with NOT HAVING BEEN INFORMED OF AMAZON SERVERS being used for my images and the contrary being served to ALL WHO JOIN ON JOINDIASPORA.COM for the last 2 years according to Sean Tilley... As SOME OF YOU MIGHT WANT TO DELETE SHIT PRONTO YOU POSTED! #heads-up !
  412.  
  413. Comment #36: (-Allesandro-)
  414.  
  415. @p1x3l Actually this is an old topic, but like you point, it is not stated on any joindiaspora page and it should, so people can decide by first hand in which pod does they want their account based on the different characteristics of each one (physical location of the server, it it has chat enabled, etc etc).
  416.  
  417. Comment #37: (Malte Dik)
  418.  
  419. There severl projects like http://podupti.me trying to provide an overview.
  420.  
  421. Comment #38: (twatrd)
  422.  
  423. dude, sean's done a lot for diaspora. have some fucking respect. this has been talked about before, that's why no one else is freaking out. no one pointed a gun to your head to make you sign up to this pod. you're not paying a dime for using it either. and you even post lots of stuff (using lots of storage + bandwidth). you should move to another pod and leave your old account here, if amazon's cdn concern you (which i believe is a valid concern). or get involved in setting up some code that strips images of EXIF data before uploading them. maybe put up a reward at freedomsponsors.org or something. you could change your name here to "p1x3l f15h (old account) (moved to x)". maybe you'll be able to properly move your stuff later on. i'm planning on moving to d.viewskew.com myself, before i'm able to set up my own pod (as joindiaspora is already very big and the point is decentralizing).
  424.  
  425. Comment #39: (Mahito Fukui)
  426.  
  427. I agree with Alessandro. A statement about being on Amazon should be clearly posted on a joindiaspora website so people can decide whether they want to join joindiaspora or not. I, for one, would not join joindiaspora as long as they use Amazon as their database center.
  428.  
  429. Comment #40: (Sean Tilley)
  430.  
  431. @Mahito: Amazon has nothing to do with database or application hosting. That stuff is all hosted on Heroku, which is basically just a paid web host for apps.
  432.  
  433. Comment #41: (p1x3l f15h)
  434.  
  435. It's not about database or application hosting, it's about use of AMAZON without telling any of us publicly on JOINDIASPORA for ANYTHING.. I understood personally what you were saying the whole time re: that aspect / database / application hosting so i am clear and cool on that.
  436.  
  437. As people continue to comment here in support of what i am simply asking, full disclosure to the public re: Amazon CDN for Photo's, anyone commenting on these posts contrary to this topic is really denying all of us a proper answer, other than the one twatrd suggested re: moving to another pod, which i will do at some point because of this. My point is.. People SHOULD KNOW about this and BE GIVEN THE INFORMED CHOICE to use JOINDIASPORA.COM or not to access pods.
  438.  
  439. I HAD NO IDEA and SO DO SEVERAL OTHERS COMMENTING HERE FINDING THIS OUT.. So if it was so well known as twatrd suggests.. HOW THE HELL DID WE, TECHCRUNCH AND ALL THE OTHER SITES DOING WRITEUPS ABOUT HOW DIASPORA DOES NOT USE CORPORATE SERVERS MISS IT?
  440.  
  441. Is this that hard to understand?
  442.  
  443. And re: respect. You give it to get it. Denying me an answer and playing games for hours trying to avoid the simple truth i keep pointing out, that MANY OF US are CONCERNED ABOUT is not being respectful as a community manager here in my estimation. Sure.. was i pissy? Yes.. I don't like being deceived by a project like this.
  444.  
  445. Comment #42: (Sean Tilley)
  446.  
  447. https://www.joindiaspora.com/posts/2945498
  448.  
  449. Comment #43: (p1x3l f15h)
  450.  
  451. Oh.. and thank you Allesandro for your comment, Again.. i and many others had/have no clue about this.. It should be posted with info for all Diaspora users to know so we don't confuse what this aims to be with what it is currently using Amazon Servers for hosting through the most well publicized pod there is.
  452.  
  453. END PART 2.
  454.  
  455. Part 3 : Re: #JoinDiaspora.com 's use of AMAZON SERVERS FOR IMAGE AND USER DATA.
  456.  
  457. First Part @ https://wk3.org/posts/943835
  458.  
  459. 2nd Part @ https://wk3.org/posts/943856
  460.  
  461. #Diaspora #privacy #anonymous #amazon #corporate #corporation #data #policy #lies #lie #anarchy #anarchism #anarchist #anon #freedom #free #truth #no-lies #clarity #honesty #reality
  462.  
  463. JOINDIASPORA.COM USES AMAZON SERVERS. NOWHERE IS THIS POSTED. IT'S BEEN GOING ON FOR 2 YEARS AND IT WILL CONTINUE SILENTLY IF YOU DO NOT DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT APPARENTLY.
  464.  
  465. https://joindiaspora.com/posts/2943710
  466.  
  467. https://joindiaspora.com/posts/2943326
  468.  
  469. https://joindiaspora.com/posts/2943248
  470.  
  471. Comment #1. (Sean Tilley)
  472.  
  473. This guy is a spammer and a troll.
  474.  
  475. Comment #2. (Sean Tilley)
  476.  
  477. https://www.joindiaspora.com/posts/2943326 https://www.joindiaspora.com/posts/2943248
  478.  
  479. Comment #3. (p1x3l f15h)
  480.  
  481. So posting art which 345 friends here loved and reshared daily for a week, and asking a question and wanting a real straight answer makes me a spammer and a troll. Thanks Sean. I think you pretty much just told us all a lot about your contributions and positions here on Diaspora.
  482.  
  483. Comment #4. (Diskordianer)
  484.  
  485. Does JOINDIASPORA.COM use Amazon? Yes or No? If yes, it will be a shame. I dont want to hear about technical details, it would be a political shame for many of the Diaspora users.
  486.  
  487. Comment #5. (Sean Tilley)
  488.  
  489. It uses Amazon for photos, that's it. It can't tell which Diaspora user uploaded which photo, or see into any of your private posts or messages or anything like that. It's just used to serve up files, and the complaint is that some of the uploaded image files might have location information in the EXIF data. I'm currently evaluating ways EXIF data can be stripped from image uploads.
  490.  
  491. Comment #6. (Kcard)
  492.  
  493. Sean's contributions to this project are beyond any doubt and you're occupying my stream with your posts. Will you stop it, please? Everybody who cares about this project knows about that matter already. So there's no news. Thanks.
  494.  
  495. Comment #7. (p1x3l f15h)
  496.  
  497. Kcard.. Hit mute, cry to someone who cares. Adults are talking now. Please shhhh... go have some cake.
  498.  
  499. Comment #8. (p1x3l f15h)
  500.  
  501. I posted on another that we were discussing this on, it should be here as well:
  502.  
  503. Sean... Look... i am irritated at this point admittedly because it took me hours to get this information from you. No where is it posted not anywhere man... I mean come on, can't you see some folks here might really, really, really not want their shit on Amazon servers?
  504.  
  505. Look, All i want is for you to make this project WORK. I fear that this discovery and lack of disclosure is hurting this project. I want this to succeed. Hell, i'd still be here doing what i love doing gladly if it wasn't connected to Amazon as i found out earlier today.
  506.  
  507. I feel you have 2 options, one includes the other in part.
  508.  
  509. a.) Full Disclosure That DIASPORA uses AMAZON Servers for Image Hosting on JOINDIASPORA.COM and all related Diaspora pages eventually that point to it if this is going to continue.
  510.  
  511. b.) Find another hosting solution and still disclose that for 2 years this has happened and give US ALL a chance to at least decide if we want to delete our PICS or ACCOUNTS entirely because of this.
  512.  
  513. That is what i am asking. I don't like arguing and i don't enjoy feeling hostile. I am actually a pretty chill person if you knew me.
  514.  
  515. This though.. this is something i cannot dismiss.
  516.  
  517. Comment #9. (p1x3l f15h)
  518.  
  519. Can these things be done? Will you inform people on JoinDiaspora.com about the use of Amazon Servers and when?
  520.  
  521. Comment #10. (Sean Tilley)
  522.  
  523. I'll make an informational post about Diaspora's usage of Amazon's CDN for photos today, after I get some rest first. I'm exhausted. I'll also explain that some photos a person uploads can have location details in EXIF data. I'll look into solutions for stripping that.
  524.  
  525. Comment #11. (p1x3l f15h)
  526.  
  527. As long as the community knows full well when they view JoinDiaspora.com as a pod that all images are going on Amazon Servers, regardless of EXIF stripping implementation if it continues to be your choice of CDN then i am satisfied.
  528.  
  529. I worry many people may have had and will continue to have a false sense as i and many had that this is free from Corporate oversight on some levels (in re: to our discussion earlier re: data retention capabilities and potential censorship)
  530.  
  531. I want this project to succeed. Thank You.
  532.  
  533. Comment #12. (p1x3l f15h)
  534.  
  535. https://joindiaspora.com/posts/2943994
  536.  
  537. Comment #13. (p1x3l f15h)
  538.  
  539. https://joindiaspora.com/posts/2944141
  540.  
  541. Comment #14. (Waithamai Dragonqueen)
  542.  
  543. @p1x3lthing: you only had to look up one single image url to know bout the amazon stuff. it's not really hidden. i'd better like it not to use amazon stuff but well .. one can easily sign up to another pod if this is a problem, right? and don't tell anyone (kcard, sean) what to do, they can decide on their own .. and actually, you're really kind of spamming. some pics are nice, but nobody needs to see a new pic every few seconds .. less is more!
  544.  
  545. Comment #15. (p1x3l f15h)
  546.  
  547. @ Waithamai ... Your opinion means absolutely nothing to me unfortunately. In fact, less than that. So, have a nice day.
  548.  
  549. Comment #16. (p1x3l f15h)
  550.  
  551. Besides @Waithamai ... It's not my fault you don't know how to use a mouse and click mute on a stream on #diaspora lol. #sad #fact
  552.  
  553. Comment #17. (Waithamai Dragonqueen)
  554.  
  555. oh, just wanted to tell you your 345 friends is not so true .. i started to share with you when you was new here, in case you'd need some help .. and well.. i'm here for quite a long time, so i know exactly how this thing called diaspora works, but thanks anyways. i guess sean is right, spammer AND troll.. i thought it was only spammer before ..
  556.  
  557. Comment #18. (p1x3l f15h)
  558.  
  559. OK @ Waithamai ... You know everyone, you're awesome, your opinion counts, you have been here quite a long time so you know everything called #diaspora and how it works and i am supposed to care why? Because your little ego is butthurt today? Awe... How cute.
  560.  
  561. Comment #19. (p1x3l f15h)
  562.  
  563. Oh... and way to not comment on the actual content on this post at all re: my or other's concerns about Amazon Servers... THAT MAKES YOU THE FUCKING TROLL HERE ON MY CONTENT! #Reality-Check on a silver platter... Go ahead, your move.
  564.  
  565. Comment #20. ([email protected])
  566.  
  567. Whatever server is used, family, friends, aspects etc, these files are not zero knowledge encrypted? Whether public posts are encrypted of course do not matter.
  568.  
  569. Comment #21. (Waithamai Dragonqueen)
  570.  
  571. hihi
  572.  
  573. END PART 3.
  574.  
  575. Part 4 : Re: #JoinDiaspora.com 's use of AMAZON SERVERS FOR IMAGE AND USER DATA.
  576.  
  577. First Part @ https://wk3.org/posts/943835
  578.  
  579. 2nd Part @ https://wk3.org/posts/943856
  580.  
  581. 3rd Part @ https://wk3.org/posts/943874
  582.  
  583. OK.. New day here. I want to take a moment before i begin posting anything today and THANK Sean Tilley for his reponses, THANK other users who have offered constructive advice and solutions vs just being pissed that i am human and yeah.. know a few four letter words / use them when i get pissy as many of you do in life... and also let you all know that in the future i do in fact plan on hosting a pod myself. I am restricted with hardware currently and once i have moved and have my servers back in my possession from storage.. i will be doing this for sure.
  584.  
  585. As for Amazon and JoinDiaspora.com. Well, i am not going to try to migrate this profile at present. It doesn't seem like something that is fully operational yet and i am personally taking into account that my pics are being uploaded to Amazon and have decided i will keep them there, as well as contribute more here hosted by Amazon as it stands.
  586.  
  587. Why? Well, I love Diaspora #1, i also think it would suck for all of you to lose the cool art and other stuff i posted if i closed this account. Could i move to another pod and redirect you to my new account? Yes. Will i? Perhaps.. but not today.
  588.  
  589. Please understand that many of us were concerned about this. I understand if you don't see issue.
  590.  
  591. I do however feel it should be obvious to anyone using this Social Network that privacy is most certainly an issue for us.. And many might want to delete pics they uploaded through JoinDiaspora.com if they have EXIF data on them, or they fear / dislike Amazon hosting their content.
  592.  
  593. It's about clarity, choice and honesty. Freedom cannot exist without it.
  594.  
  595. Comment #1. (Heavymetalmixer)
  596.  
  597. Glad to see you stay with us dude :D. Now, talkin about the Amazon matter . . . it's true that's it is inthe USA, but for people like me that have been here more that one year is really dificult to migrate to another post, and even more knowing that the Federation feature is buggy as hell.
  598.  
  599. Comment #2. (p1x3l f15h)
  600.  
  601. I know.. and that is why i won't attempt at migrating this profile or content posted on it now on Amazon. I've posted enough to not want to move and it would be difficult as well... I don't want my prior posts going anywhere and i don't want to flood Diaspora with Dual Posts for shit.. So, i will remain here. Point in all of this was, i didn't know Amazon was used, none of us did signing up on JoinDiaspora.com and every write up on every major news site says it's decentralized and community run, which isn't the case if Amazon is being used to host. That was my issue.
  602.  
  603. Comment #3. (p1x3l f15h)
  604.  
  605. https://joindiaspora.com/posts/2945795 :-(
  606.  
  607. END PART 4.
  608.  
  609. Part 5 : Re: #JoinDiaspora.com 's use of AMAZON SERVERS FOR IMAGE AND USER DATA.
  610.  
  611. First Part @ https://wk3.org/posts/943835
  612.  
  613. 2nd Part @ https://wk3.org/posts/943856
  614.  
  615. 3rd Part @ https://wk3.org/posts/943874
  616.  
  617. 4th Part @ https://wk3.org/posts/943897
  618.  
  619. Since Sean just deleted the post :
  620.  
  621. JoinDiaspora.com and Amazon I've heard a little concern over the fact that the JoinDiaspora.com pod makes use of #Amazon for a Content Distribution Network (CDN). I wanted to take a little time to explain what that is and how it works.
  622.  
  623. A CDN can be defined as such:
  624.  
  625. An interconnected system of computers on the Internet that provides Web content rapidly to numerous users by duplicating the content on multiple servers and directing the content to users based on proximity. CDNs are used by Internet service providers (ISPs) to deliver static or dynamic Web pages but the technology is especially well suited to streaming audio, video, and Internet television ( IPTV ) programming.
  626.  
  627. So what does that mean? JoinDiaspora is one of the bigger pods out there, with two major things it has to deal with:
  628.  
  629. 1.) Lots of users. 2.) Lots of federated connections to users on other pods. In the scope of the network, there are pods all over the world, many of which are not physically near one another at all.
  630.  
  631. So, let's say you have a pod and don't use a CDN; you're just uploading the files to your own server. If you have a lot of users uploading a lot of images and sharing to a lot of friends, this can cause some significant strain on bandwidth. As a way to keep things working normally, a CDN is optional for podmins to make use of in regards to uploading photos. For JoinDiaspora, this means that if you upload a photo, instead of the image file being stored directly on a pod, it's instead hosted on Amazon's cloud.
  632.  
  633. I want to take a moment to really illustrate what that means:
  634.  
  635. Amazon Cannot: * See your private messages, posts, or likes * Track any of your clicks * See which Diaspora user uploaded which files * Access any of your data other than the photos you uploaded to it * interact with a Diaspora pod's database in any way
  636.  
  637. Here's what Amazon does do in regards to D*: * Hosts image files
  638.  
  639. Some users have expressed concerns over uploading images taken from cameras and smartphones due to having location information embedded in a photo's EXIF data. There seems to be a relatively easy way that Rails apps using CarrierWave for image uploading (like Diaspora uses) could automatically strip out EXIF data on photos before they're uploaded, though this will require some experimentation.
  640.  
  641. If you have problems with uploading images to Amazon's CDN, and rather wouldn't, it is actually very easy to instead embed remote images using Markdown
  642.  
  643. In the future, it may be possible to use alternative kinds of CDNs and eschew sevices like Amazon's CDN entirely. PeerCDN is one such example; it works like Bittorrent and is based on WebRTC technology. Sadly, it's still early days for such solutions, as WebRTC simply isn't supported across all browsers.
  644.  
  645. #diaspora
  646.  
  647. Comment #1. (Star)
  648.  
  649. There is also the option of hosting your own pod, or moving to another pod.
  650.  
  651. Comment #2. (Sean Tilley)
  652.  
  653. Yes, indeed!
  654.  
  655. Comment #3. (Juan Ruetter)
  656.  
  657. The content is hosted outside USA? what really concerns many is the host in USA sorry about my English, my lengus are Spanish, Galician and Portuguese
  658.  
  659. Comment #4. (Sean Tilley)
  660.  
  661. The content could be hosted anywhere in the world; many CDNs have servers all over the world that just duplicate images back and forth and then use a script to keep them in sync.
  662.  
  663. Comment #5. (Juan Ruetter)
  664.  
  665. ok, thanks for replying, just in reading the list of pods many are hosted in usa, and others in German, I think it is better to distribute more, so a pod installed at a university in Greece, but also I have joindiaspora profile
  666.  
  667. Comment #6. (p1x3l f15h)
  668.  
  669. First off THANK YOU for posting this. I sincerely hope this information is publicly available on JoinDiaspora.com soon as well where it really matters to new users.. as i would have known this a week ago.
  670.  
  671. I do have a question re: content. Do you think there will be any way when and if JoinDiaspora moves to other hosting that our data can be moved? Will it always be that i will lose my pics / posts if i want to migrate to a non-Amazon CWS using pod?
  672.  
  673. If i could move like now, and migrate my account with pics, that would be splendid. It sounds though from many of the responses i got from more well informed users who also deal with private pods this is not possible.
  674.  
  675. Do you think i will be able to at some point? Or will i have to abandon this profile entirely because i chose the wrong pod because i wasn't informed anywhere in the documentation?
  676.  
  677. Comment #7. (Sean Tilley)
  678.  
  679. I agree, I think it's good to have people more evenly distributed over pods. In the future, I'd really like to see us support some proper user export/import functionality.
  680.  
  681. I think the ability to migrate would probably help people move off of big pods and onto smaller ones much more easily, especially if their posts, messages, likes, and contacts can be securely transferred with ease. Coding something like that is no small task.
  682.  
  683. Comment #8. (p1x3l f15h)
  684.  
  685. I figured as much and i do appreciate all of your efforts.. i hope you saw my post re: the one apology i did feel was in order.. and it was the remark about your contributions. For that, i apologize Sean.
  686.  
  687. Comment #9. (Sean Tilley)
  688.  
  689. Hey man, no hard feelings.
  690.  
  691. Comment #10. ( Թանաքոտ Ճաշող Փիլո (Inky Dining Philosopher))
  692.  
  693. that's why when amazon was down, joindiaspora photos didn't show as well, as did not work other part of the www. However other nodes worked well. (: as far as I remember.N
  694.  
  695. Comment #11. (Sean Tilley)
  696.  
  697. @Pixel: Regarding moving pods, there is no official method to do so yet. There are some experimental third-party tools, but nothing is officially official about how it works, so I can't guarantee that it'll work perfectly. Plus, it's a bit more technical than just clicking a button sadly.
  698.  
  699. As for whether your photos would be moved to a different CDN. Honestly, it seems that information is muddy about migrating from one CDN to another, so I'm going to continue to look for answers there.
  700.  
  701. Comment #12. (Fla)
  702.  
  703. Yeah Sean, you miss the most important point here: if you really want to keep control on your data, host them yourself!. Joindiaspora is free, it's an offer, a present, if you disagree on the way it deals with your data, then install your own pod, diaspora* is made for that, it's free software, it's a network, we need more nodes!
  704.  
  705. But a very nice explanation :D
  706.  
  707. Comment #13. (Sean Tilley)
  708.  
  709. @Fla: Of course. :)
  710.  
  711. Comment #14. (Sean Tilley)
  712.  
  713. Fla @pixel fish, unfortunately, you can't migrate easily from one pod to another at the moment. The only solution is to close your account on joindiaspora and open it elsewhere. We are working on a way to automatize that, but it's a lot of work.
  714.  
  715. Comment #15. (p1x3l f15h)
  716.  
  717. Thank you for your and others work on this.. I think it's a good step in the right direction. I will continue on JoinDiaspora.com for now and will begin looking into creating another account for myself on another pod. This solves my problem, For others.. they may want to have this info and also decide if they stay, or delete some info hosted on Amazon if they wish. It's all about choice, knowlesge and freedom.
  718.  
  719. Comment #16. (Jesse Bufton)
  720.  
  721. *primer
  722.  
  723. Comment #17. (Jesse Bufton)
  724.  
  725. Thanks for the CDN primary, Sean. In addition to PeerCDN, there is also BootstrapCDN, CoralCDN, and even BitTorrent DNA.
  726.  
  727. Comment #18. (Sean Tilley)
  728.  
  729. @Jesse: thanks for those, I'll look into them!
  730.  
  731. Comment #19. (p1x3l f15h)
  732.  
  733. Oh.. and if i didn't have a shared connection where i am and only my laptop, which may be changing soon... I very well may start my own pod for myself and others in the future. I own plenty of nice gear, unfortunately it's in storage and where i am is only temporary for now. I want to run a pod.. that is my end goal when i can :-)
  734.  
  735. Comment #20. (Sean Tilley)
  736.  
  737. We actually have a lot of detailed Installation Guides worth checking out, if you're interested in giving it a shot sometime.
  738.  
  739. Comment #21. (p1x3l f15h)
  740.  
  741. Oh.. i am beyond interested.. I am intending on hosting a pod.. I had hoped i could here initially but my laptop won't handle it as configured... It's something i will do when i get my servers out of storage stacked w/1TB drives.. Then, 24/7 uptime and proper security will be possible.
  742.  
  743. Comment #22. (Kyisha (Bonsaiheldin))
  744.  
  745. Umm... People, seriously. You forgot something. There is no need for direct access. Amazon can track people and the sites they visit when they download pictures of their servers.
  746.  
  747. Comment #23. (Kyisha (Bonsaiheldin))
  748.  
  749. Umm... People, seriously. You forgot something. There is no need for direct access. Amazon can track people and the sites they visit when they download pictures of their servers. This is the same method Facebook used to track people with embedded like buttons - it works over accessing a file. This already sends information.
  750.  
  751. Comment #24. (p1x3l f15h)
  752.  
  753. @ Kyisha, Sean pointed out that CDN's can give inaccurate readings of the user downloading pics locations on a comment on my page / discussion about this. My concern is more about EXIF data and not being able to completely, absolutely know something is in fact gone from an Amazon server which i didn't know was being used. That is my main issue...
  754.  
  755. Comment #25. (p1x3l f15h)
  756.  
  757. @ Kyisha... Facebook can track you because ALL of your data, including databases are on their servers.. all tied together. That is NOT the case here.. so you are far better protected here on that front.
  758.  
  759. Comment #26. (david morley)
  760.  
  761. @Sean Tilley. The entire pod is hosted on Amazon so how can it be true that Amazon can not access any of the data, the images are on S3 but the pod is on AWS via Heroku sub lease. As the host and owner of the servers you are using they do have that right do they not?
  762.  
  763. Comment #27. (Sean Tilley)
  764.  
  765. @David: I was under no impression that Heroku was leasing from Amazon AWS, I was under the impression that JoinDiaspora was just hosted on Heroku itself. Evidently, I was mistaken, and for that I am sorry.
  766.  
  767. Comment #28. (p1x3l f15h)
  768.  
  769. Wait.. So the database IS on AMAZON SERVERS???
  770.  
  771. Comment #29. (Sean Tilley)
  772.  
  773. Damn it...
  774.  
  775. This comes as something of a nasty shock. I had no idea. :/
  776.  
  777. Comment #30. (p1x3l f15h)
  778.  
  779. FULL DISCLOSURE WORLDWIDE... IMMEDIATELY PLEASE. TODAY!
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