[6:32:13] સ્ટોર્મ ઇગલ: I've been talking about it with Hawke
[6:32:23] સ્ટોર્મ ઇગલ: He's kinda leaving it up to me.
[6:32:24] Kazyyk: I vote no
[6:32:48] Kazyyk: He's out looking for forgiveness, but I can't tell if it's geniune or a part of his cycle.
[6:32:57] Kazyyk: He's done this before. Been this way.
[6:33:00] Leschinsky: I vote no
In the 10,000 word essay I sent to Tyrak
EVERYONE MESSAGE TYRAK WITH YOUR FEELINGS
[6:34:00 | Editado 6:34:13] Kazyyk: I am a bit conflicted, because I feel people deserve second chances, and rarely thirds, and maybe with time he can prove himself more sincere - but as of the moment, I'm not very confident.
[6:34:02] Carnivorous: I vote no, because... I know he'll be a problem whether he is searching for forgiveness or not. He doesn't have a strong social filter and is very opinionated. We already have enough big mouthes in the chat.
[6:34:19] GuiltyBeans: Isn't a burd, is a fishy dragon. Sleeps around tree so can;t vote.
[6:34:37] Carnivorous: That's the thing. This isn't the place for people to get their second chances.
[6:34:46] Carnivorous: This is a chat for friends to hang out.
[6:35:26] Kirby teh Pink: Ew. Get away from my tree, you overgrown eel!
[6:35:37] Kazyyk: Sure, but it's a social dynamic he wants to be a part of. I know what it feels like to be left out, isolated. It can be agony. I'm not advocating to let him in, don't get me wrong, I just understand where he's at.
[6:36:01] Kazyyk: Dunno. Tough call. It's not like he has a lot of avenues to express himself to the people he feels he's wronged
[6:36:21] Kirby teh Pink: The vibe I'm getting is that he's lost people's trust
[6:37:25] Leschinsky: A scootch, yes
Oh, Kirby
Russian planes
Are nothing but cannons and rockets tier 1
-Balanced Gameplay-
[6:37:28] સ્ટોર્મ ઇગલ: That's the vibe you're getting because it's entirely true.
[6:37:56] Carnivorous: [6:35] Kazyyk:

<<< Sure, but it's a social dynamic he wants to be a part of. I know what it feels like to be left out, isolated. It can be agony. I'm not advocating to let him in, don't get me wrong, I just understand where he's at.Think of it more of a punishment for what he's done then.
[6:38:07] સ્ટોર્મ ઇગલ: I dunno.
[6:38:46] Kazyyk: Fair enough. I like that, actually. He's done/said some messed up stuff in the past.
[6:39:25] Kazyyk: Forgiveness and healing takes time, anyway. Sometimes massive quantities of it. It seems like now is too soon for him.
[6:39:29] Kirby teh Pink: something I said to him recently
[6:40:14] Kirby teh Pink: "You've made a lot of enemies, this is kinda just what happens"
[6:41:21] સ્ટોર્મ ઇગલ: {/moved]
[6:41:26] સ્ટોર્મ ઇગલ: Ok, honestly...
[6:41:30] સ્ટોર્મ ઇગલ: It's pretty fair.
[6:41:33] સ્ટોર્મ ઇગલ: I mean, the thing is.
[6:41:48] સ્ટોર્મ ઇગલ: Let's be honest, some of us in this chat didn't trust Kazyyk for a long while there.
[6:41:59] Kazyyk: Or still don't, AFAIK
[6:42:00] સ્ટોર્મ ઇગલ: But he gradually regained our trust and is now in this chat.
[6:42:01] સ્ટોર્મ ઇગલ: lol
[6:42:07] સ્ટોર્મ ઇગલ: Enough to be in the chat.
[6:42:24] Kazyyk: Enough to be in the chat, sure. Which is something.
[6:42:25] સ્ટોર્મ ઇગલ: Like none of us think you're gonna go full-psycho and post our photos to 4chan or some shit.
[6:42:33] Kazyyk: It's too soon to tell if he's sincere, imho.
[6:42:37] સ્ટોર્મ ઇગલ: That's the thing.
[6:42:44] Leschinsky: Well I'll do that, but-
We'll burn that bridge when we come to it
[6:42:45] સ્ટોર્મ ઇગલ: It's kind of soon, and a lot of us still don't trust him.
[6:43:07] Carnivorous: [6:42] સ્ટોર્મ ઇગલ:

<<< Like none of us think you're gonna go full-psycho and post our photos to 4chan or some shit.Photoshop us into a gay porno.
[6:43:07] સ્ટોર્મ ઇગલ: He's sort of insisting that I be honest/candid with him on this.
[6:43:14] સ્ટોર્મ ઇગલ: So, maybe I should just do that.
[6:43:31] સ્ટોર્મ ઇગલ: Tell him that some people in the chat don't entirely trust him yet due to rather recent past events.
[6:43:43] Leschinsky: Well-
Yeah do it
Truth hurts, but it'll show him what's what, and maybe what he needs to do to move forward
[6:43:49] Carnivorous: You'll get between the unmovable object vs the unstoppable force. Just so you know.
[6:44:01] સ્ટોર્મ ઇગલ: I'm sort of already in that position, Carn
[6:44:15] સ્ટોર્મ ઇગલ: And unless someone wants to volunteer in my place I'm sort of gotta deal with it.
[6:44:20] સ્ટોર્મ ઇગલ: atm
[6:44:25] સ્ટોર્મ ઇગલ: like, literally talking to him atm
[6:44:26] સ્ટોર્મ ઇગલ: so
[6:44:50] Leschinsky: I vote Hawke as ' -'^
[6:44:58] Kazyyk: Actually, now that I think about it... considering he's largely the reason I lost a lot of good people back in the day... It's gonna take a long, long time for me to ever trust him again.
[6:45:00] Kazyyk: Yeeaaarrss.
[6:45:12] સ્ટોર્મ ઇગલ: Hawke doesn't want to do that and I won't make him.
[6:45:14] સ્ટોર્મ ઇગલ: That's that.
[6:45:16] હોક: >,>
[6:45:24] સ્ટોર્મ ઇગલ: I don't blame 'im.
[6:45:28] સ્ટોર્મ ઇગલ: But yeah.
[6:45:37] સ્ટોર્મ ઇગલ: Maybe I should just tell him straight up what the dealio is?
[6:45:58] Kazyyk: Well...
[6:46:04] Kazyyk: Just know he's the kind of person who won't stop
[6:46:08] Kazyyk: He won't go, "Oh, okay."
[6:46:13] Kazyyk: and leave well enough alone
[6:46:19] Kirby teh Pink: APPARENTLY
[6:46:25] Kirby teh Pink: he wants people to be honest about things
[6:46:26] GuiltyBeans: Just tell him not right now.
[6:46:29] Kirby teh Pink: so if you just say
[6:46:30] Carnivorous: If you're gonna talk to him. Make it quick and painful.
[6:46:32] Kirby teh Pink: "We can't trust you"
[6:46:35] GuiltyBeans: It's not a straight up no, fuck off.
[6:46:36] Kirby teh Pink: It's probably for the best
[6:46:38] GuiltyBeans: But not a yes either.
[6:46:38] સ્ટોર્મ ઇગલ: Guilty, that's sort of my idea.
[6:46:44 | Editado 6:46:51] Carnivorous: You lollygag around he'll bury you.
[6:46:47] સ્ટોર્મ ઇગલ: Honestly we're gonna have to deal with him eventually.
[6:46:52] સ્ટોર્મ ઇગલ: I'm not gonna budge, Carn'.
[6:46:56] સ્ટોર્મ ઇગલ: It's not about persuading me.
[6:47:04] સ્ટોર્મ ઇગલ: I'm one of the ones more neutral on it.
[6:47:16] સ્ટોર્મ ઇગલ: (I don't trust him but I think he might be genuinely repentant.)
[6:47:24] GuiltyBeans: I've only known him here in OrionsEdge. So.. Shrug
[6:47:35] Kazyyk: Maybe. He's said so much shit in the past that's like this.
[6:47:37] સ્ટોર્મ ઇગલ: But I might just tell him as much; some people in the chat are uncomfortable with the idea.
[6:47:43] સ્ટોર્મ ઇગલ: And that it could change in the future.
[6:48:05] Kazyyk: Yeah. I mean, if he's dedicated, he won't falter just because he can't get into the chat.
[6:48:12] સ્ટોર્મ ઇગલ: But he'll have to just regain peoples' trust, you know?
[6:48:16] સ્ટોર્મ ઇગલ: And that takes a little time.
[6:48:27] Leschinsky: Thats repentance < ' -'>
[6:48:43] સ્ટોર્મ ઇગલ: To shut down the inevitable "but i can't do it if i'm not in the chat" argument, I could even say that, honestly, some of us would not be opposed to playing with him outside of the chat.
[6:48:54] સ્ટોર્મ ઇગલ: Because that's true, if I'm not mistaken.
[6:49:00] Kirby teh Pink: I have
[6:49:02] સ્ટોર્મ ઇગલ: We just don't play with him in the chat.
[6:49:50] સ્ટોર્મ ઇગલ: But, yeah
[6:49:54] સ્ટોર્મ ઇગલ: Is that the route I should go?
[6:50:09] સ્ટોર્મ ઇગલ: The, "Some people just plain don't trust you yet dawg, it's gonna need some time"
[6:50:13] સ્ટોર્મ ઇગલ: approach
[6:50:14] સ્ટોર્મ ઇગલ: ?
[6:50:31] Kazyyk: Sounds reasonable to me
[6:50:35] Carnivorous: Yes that will work.
[6:50:40] સ્ટોર્મ ઇગલ: Alright.
[6:50:43] સ્ટોર્મ ઇગલ: Deep breath
[6:50:46] સ્ટોર્મ ઇગલ: hnn.
[6:50:59] સ્ટોર્મ ઇગલ: And, for the record, I'm kind of with you guys on this one.
[6:51:10] સ્ટોર્મ ઇગલ: I do not mind playing with him or talking to him, and I'm willing to give him a second chance...
[6:51:17] સ્ટોર્મ ઇગલ: But at this point in time I also do not trust him.
[6:51:38] Kazyyk: I hope he understands that while it's absolutely terrible being there, dispositions do change over time
[6:51:40] સ્ટોર્મ ઇગલ: Because he's been hella untrustworthy in the past.
[6:51:42] Kazyyk: Particularly with good effort
[6:51:51] સ્ટોર્મ ઇગલ: Yeah, I'll tell 'im that