b14ck4dd3r and Sabu PMs

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--- Log opened Wed Jun 22 00:24:50 2011
00:24 -!- Irssi: Starting query in anonops with Sabu
00:25 <Idiom> OK
00:25 <Sabu> hi
00:25 <Idiom> what did you want to chat about?
00:26 <Sabu> You hit me up ..
00:26 <Sabu> who are you mate?
00:26 <Idiom> well, you said it first... blackadder: you don't have
to lurk... etc.
00:26 <Sabu> oh
00:26 <Sabu> haha
00:27 <Sabu> whats up mate?
00:27 <Sabu> good to finally talk to you
00:27 <Sabu> check out our latest track on youtube
00:27 <Sabu> its pretty good
00:28 <Idiom> i haven't checked it out, just skimmed the tweets,
really
00:28 <Sabu> no doubt
00:29 <Sabu> well I just wanted to talk to you, see what you're
about. whats your point etc
00:29 <Idiom> i see
00:29 <Sabu> and since you were in the channel I figure this is a
good opportunity to talk
00:30 <Idiom> i had only noticed from grepping logs, really
00:31 <Idiom> too many throwaway nicks to maintain a hilight list
00:31 <Sabu> oh I see
00:33 <Idiom> in any case, i suppose i'll shuffle off this...
glomming of data
00:33 <Idiom> i just thought i'd see what your invitation was about
00:33 <Idiom> i think my tweets explain well what i'm about
00:34 <Sabu> well I doubt theres anything interesting in the chat
log. most of the good stuff happens privately
00:34 <Sabu> I understand from your posts that you don't like me
for what im doing
00:34 <Sabu> and you feel it necessary to track me down / get me
busted etc
00:34 <Idiom> put simply- lines were crossed.
00:34 <Sabu> but whats the motivation behind it? are you anti-
crime? are you anti-anonymous? etc
00:35 <Sabu> I want a better understanding
00:35 <Sabu> ok which lines?
00:35 <Idiom> releasing email and password combinations for
thousands of unsuspecting users rubbed a few people the wrong way,
i think
00:35 <Idiom> before that, i was ambivilent
00:36 <Idiom> could've cared less, just spectated
00:37 <Sabu> yeah
00:38 <Sabu> I think that we could have done it a different way yes
you are right
00:38 <Sabu> unfortunately let me give you my insight in the
underground
00:38 <Sabu> did you that for the last year
00:38 <Sabu> hi5, stickam, baidu, and countless porn servers have
been compromised root and database levle respectably
00:38 <Sabu> these databases are being sold and resold over and over
00:38 <Sabu> to spammers
00:38 <Sabu> thats millions of logins
00:39 <Sabu> if lulzsec had this breach, we would have exposed it
00:39 <Sabu> in the case of the spammers, they're blasting these
peoples personal dox
00:39 <Sabu> selling and sharing it in the underground
00:39 <Sabu> AND THATS THE TIP OF THE ICEBERG
00:39 <Sabu> You have .gov/.mil sites/databases/networks
infiltrated logins being accessed. pentagon accounts being shared
among foreign groups
00:40 <Sabu> in the case of lulzsec we expose it like the ballsy
fucks that we are
00:40 <Sabu> in the case of lets say chinese government
00:40 <Sabu> they are using it to infiltrate our governements
00:40 <Sabu> I know you probably don't agree with my view point
00:40 <Idiom> i'm not an unreasonable person
00:40 <Sabu> but you gotta understand that we're doing exposure of
these vulnerabilities
00:40 <Sabu> and the "lulz" part of it is more makign a spectacle
of the entire situation
00:41 <Sabu> I think that if you and your friends would sit and
talk to us
00:41 <Sabu> you'd see that in some cases we are as patriotic as
you are in your fight against us
00:41 <Sabu> you're just not looking at it from an outside-the-box
perspective
00:42 <Idiom> patriotism has dick to do with it in my case. this is
a guarantee.
00:42 <Idiom> bringing to light underworld dealings, making a
spectacle of it, makes lawmakers ringleaders in legislation we
really don't need strangling us
00:42 <Sabu> point blannk: you rather these databases and holes be
exposed publicly to get fixed
00:42 <Sabu> or get sold to the russian business network for sale
and exploitation
00:42 <Sabu> but you can't have both
00:42 <Sabu> etc
00:42 <Sabu> now that you see what I'm about
00:42 <Sabu> do you understand a bit more?
00:42 <Idiom> i've read the pastebins
00:43 <Idiom> you've said as much prior
00:43 <Idiom> and i've understood your perspective
00:43 <Idiom> i'm just shocked you can have those feelings in light
of things like ACTA, DMCA, Patriot Act, and all the other fun
stranglehold legislation
00:44 <Idiom> should you ever get caught, you're going to be made
an example, and we're all going to pay your price
00:45 <Idiom> i'm not trying to sit on a soapbox and speculate,
this shit has already happened, and it can either stay the same or
get worse
00:45 <Idiom> shaking things up... well, you get the idea.
00:46 <Sabu> well thats another issue entirely; our countries
(us/uk) suffer from these unrealistic laws
00:46 <Sabu> and if we continue to support them idly we are going
to prolong the issues at hand
00:46 <Sabu> we end up fucking ourselves deeper in the future
00:46 <Idiom> this is a definite
00:46 <Sabu> unfortunately its goign to get worse regardless thats
what people need to understand
00:46 <Sabu> the #antisec movement is a way for the people to
express that these laws are unrealistic
00:46 <Sabu> we either fight the issues now and try to fix it
00:46 <Sabu> or sit idly and let it get worse eventually
00:47 <Idiom> alright, i need to run
00:47 <Idiom> good luck
--- Log closed Wed Jun 22 00:47:54 2011