Bases 18 Sentient Fluid Session One
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iv-hJUOnLik
Published on Sep 26, 2012

Alistairs first detailed session of four, on his remarkable claims of a Sentient Fluid which is a Species Extinction Event in London. Three more to follow. See also the AMMACH Project's two interviews and Bases 17. Alistair was heavily telepathing subjects during these interviews which are reflected in the questions.

The AMMACH Project reveals information on a Biomorphic "Sentient Fluid" which is an intelligent and aware "Black Goo", found over 30 years ago on Thule Island, and taken to the UK Defence company Marconi. As featured in AMMACH report Bases 17 with David Griffin. It exists as physical fluid but also as an intelliegent "etheric" morphogenic energy.
Exposed and changed by this fluid, Alistair Martin comes forward describing this Sentient Fluid in the London sewage system, after it was dumped as unprofitable and of no further use for Defence "SuperSoldier" development. Alistair mentions his many military contacts during hours of interviews for Bases 18 and The AMMACH.
This Fluid is evolving and changing the DNA of life wherever it reaches a host.
Found in the sewers of West London, near Gloucester Road,and in ocean locations. Alistair's own DNA has been changed after AirBorn contamination from this fluid.

Alistair is telepathic and spoke for this highly intelligent and aware fluid for this YouTube Fast Blast. Two major reports have been recorded for researchers and broadcast on PSTV (SKY-Ch191/2). A two part AMMACH Witnesses Report and BASES 18 a long format version over 4Hours
Also known as "Black Goo"

This is a world changing issue for all life on the planet, with a short time line of decades.

Transcript:

AM Claims that he was abducted, downloaded lot of info from ED who appeared to him in his hotel room

In Bases 17 - discussed black goo and  the  ET elements of the Falklands war.

This black goo has intelligence, it's self aware and has its own agenda
This has been kept secret and kept behind the scenes for about 30 years.
AM is now saying that it's in the London sewage system
The military and the industrial complex have essentially dumped this intelligent, sentient fluid into the groundwater sewage system
It's alive and it's multiplying and it's got awareness and intelligence.
Because of his claims that he has been contaminated by this fluid and he's saying that it's in the London sewage system , we decided to give him a full interrogation .... his claims that it's in London, West London
This directly relates with my own personal research in certain areas in that geographical location.

2 mins
..... it being a liquid (it's home is in crude oil) and it's a hyperdimensional aware, cognitive substance with its own agenda
So when I've been dealing with black energy and all sorts of stuff like that, in broadcast systems and ..... computer systems. electrical supply systems which other sources have indicated that these black entity things are in,  and we have a black goo associated with that, principally transmitters which look as it they've been dipped in crude oil - that's in the etheric domain.
.... AM is saying that it the black goo - it's the sentient fluid; that's it working.
It's able to shift its domain of existence.
It's a multidimensional, intelligent fluid from the Earth.
Where it came from; is it natural to the Earth; whether any of its claims are true - we don't know

3:25
This is Bases 18, introducing Alistair Martin on sentient fluid.

Chit chat about an earlier radio show with AM

8:08
AM:  I've had some strange experiences in  my life
I've had something happen which was really, really bizarre; so bizarre that it really impacted me psychologically and emotionally.
That was when I was 22 years old.
I was staying in a bed & breakfast hotel and something that looked like mud started to appear on the glass of the window.
I was like:  Where's that come from?  Has someone thrown it?
But it seemed to just manifest, rather than hit the window.
So I went over to the window and I looked at it and I was wondering what's going on
There's no-one out there throwing anything.
The window was completely clean
It's got this brown mud stuff on the lower half of it.
.... I was on the second floor

MJ:  Were you near starlings etc?

AM:  No.  It was in Earls Court which is quite a populated area.
Doesn't have wildlife or anything like that.
So I went back over to the bed and I sat on the bed.

9:24
AM:  I could feel some sort of presence.
Then there was a full materialisation of a being who says he goes by the name of Viavet (if you're spelling it phonetically)
He had long hair down.
He's very tall.
He didn't look particularly extra-terrestrial ...
He looked quite human.
However, because he appeared almost as if by magic, I just assumed that it was something extra

MJ:  How did you react to that?

AM:  Terrified. I was absolutely terrified.
He was clothed, tall, long hair.
He was Caucasian.
He had powers.  The fact that he was able to materialise.
The atmosphere was different; the mood.
I could pick up the energy of the situation
I was very terrified.
He was able to control my fears.
He was able to make me feel completely at ease with his presence.
He was able to make me laugh
He would make certain facial expressions which would calm me down and he would then make comments and statements about my inner state and what I was thinking.
He was there for about 20 ..

MJ:  He was verbalising these?

AM:  Yeah.

MJ:  What tone or accent?

AM:  Not American; not English
Just very clear English

MJ:  BBC English?

AM:  Not like that.
Just very clear; no particular accent
Maybe there was a twinge of American; just a tiny bit.
It was a mix of American and English

MJ:  It wasn't Scottish?
It wasn't a posh English?

AM:  No.
A bit of American in there....
He was able to make me laugh.
He was able to calm my mood down and stop me, even if I was afraid of the situation being so strange.

MJ:  How did he materialise?

AM:  He just appeared.

MJ:  Just a  blink on and he was there?

AM:  Yeah.  Just a blink on  and he was there

MJ:  Is there anything that would indicate that it was a projection?
How would you know it was actually real?

AM:  It could have been like a hologram.
I didn't physically touch him but the details and everything
He wasn't see through.
He wasn't shadowy.
I could clearly see him very perfectly.

MJ:  How did he introduce himself to you......?

AM:  He said he was Viavet along the lines of "I am Viavet."
These were verbalised, coming from his mouth
He was saying things like, "You're going to love this."
Like he was commenting on the effect he was able to have my mood.
He was able to make me feel very tranquil, very calm.
He would commenting on what I was experiencing; saying, "Ah, isn't that good."
He would me feel less afraid.
He would say, "You won't feel afraid because I can control the way you feel."


13:40
MJ:  That sounds almost like hypnotic things, as if he was inducing some sort of trance

AM:  Yeah, exactly.
This went on for 20 or so minutes....
I was often laughing, especially as we got into it.
I was often just laughing

MJ:  What do you mean by "get into it"?
What did he bring you into?

AM:  Some sort of state of relaxation and feeling very safe and at ease; without feeling like I'm in any danger at all.
Even though I should feel those things
So he was picking up.... I should be feeling scared and shocked by what's going on but he was able to stop me from going down those lines of thinking/feeling.

MJ:  What was the point of this?

AM:  It started to get more complicated because he started to dematerialise.
He started to vanish.

MJ:  In what way did he vanish?
Did bits of him vanish?

AM:  Yeah. Bits.
Not like his legs and then his upper body.
He started to go a bit fuzzy
There was distortion in my vision and he was going away.
As he was nearly gone, another being appeared in the room with very heavy set eyes and did have a warped sort of head shape and everything.

MJ:  Did he appear in the same position?

AM:  No, to the side of Viavet
Viavet was facing me head on .... and another being came in from the side, sort of out of the wall, as Viavet was going away.
This being had a warped head shape with heavy set eyes, extra-terrestrial looking
.......... The head wasn't symmetrical.
It was a bit warped; like a carnival mirror
When you look in a carnival mirror, it can make the shape of your head warp slightly......
It was not completely oval.
It had a slightly bigger upper than the lower so the head was slightly bigger than the lower half
The head was disproportionate to the rest of the face
He was in a crouched position

MJ:  He was kneeling down?

AM:  Yes
Viavet was tall.

MJ:  6 feet?

AM:  He would probably have been over 6 feet
Slim, not in a week way.
He was slim, athletic
He had a big jacket on, like a windproof jacket

MJ:  Was there any insignia on the jacket?

AM:  No.  It looked like a winter jacket

MJ:  It wasn't any kind of a uniform?

AM:  No.  It was very casual.
Very casual fashion
Windproof winter jacket with a shirt on and dark trousers.
I didn't see his shoes but I would have assumed they were normal

MJ:  A perfectly human....?

AM:  Yeah.  Viavet looked very normal.

MJ:  Would the fashion have been 1950s, 1970s?

AM:  90s.

MJ:  But not 2000?

AM:  He wasn't trendy.

MJ:  It was current for the time you saw him?

AM:  No.  This happened when I was 22 years old.
I'm 26 so it was 4 years ago.

18:20
MJ:  So this was a very new experience for you?

AM:  Yeah.  This particular experience was new for me.
I have had strange things happen but they have not been so strange that it affected me....

MJ:  So the first being disappeared and faded out, getting thinner and weaker?

AM:  Yeah, sort of shot out of the window...
I would say on a higher frequency than the window.
He shot back and disappeared.

MJ:  Like he zoomed out....?

AM:  Very thin.
He wasn't as material as he was when he was sitting down, doing the dialogue.
.... He appeared and he was standing, then he sat down very quickly
On the chair
This went on for a bit more than 20 mins; something like half an hour

MJ:  The purpose was to get you to cool down and then for the next guy?

AM:  Possibly.  I have different theories.
I'm not sure the other guy liked Viavet
Perhaps what Viavet did was illegal, cosmically illegal or something...
The other guy could be some sort of law enforcement
Viavet going away and the other guy coming in - it seemed that way

MJ:  What was covered?

AM:  With Viavet, it was all about my mood and making me feel at ease, not afraid and making me laugh
However, things got more complicated.
Viavet went and the new man appeared
He gave me a communication -  sort of telepathically, as if to say what's going on here isn't OK
He was angry...


20:40
AM:  The second being gave the telepathic message; with the bigger upper head and the eyes set far back and they were dark and were very piercing
........ I can see both the eyes.  They were very dark, very strong and set back in the head and very piercing.  Sort of black.
They were round eyes
They had no other colour in there
The nose was normal.
The mouth was normal.
The ears were weird.
The ears were one of the most prominent strange things about this being.
They were quite geometric, like a straight line.
Where we have the ear lobe, it's like as if they have 2 ear lobes - there's one at the top and one at the bottom
The ear's quite straight.  It doesn't curve around like ours do
He had dark, straight, short hair
Caucasian but not very pale - maybe olive skin; just a bit of colour in there.
The upper head was a bit bigger relative to the rest of the face

MJ:  Die he have more brains?

AM:  Yes....

MJ:  Was it all telepathic with him or did he verbalise?

AM:  He didn't verbalise.
It was completely telepathic and it was like, "This situation isn't OK.  What's going on here isn't OK."

MJ:  What was he wearing?

AM:  Probably some sort of T-shirt.
Not a shirt with a collar...
It looked a bit military

MJ:  Did he have anything round his neck?

AM:  No

MJ:  How was his neck?  Was it thick?

AM:  It wasn't thick. It was just right
Just like normal.
I didn't look at his hands.
I was staring at his face and so freaked out, I didn't analyse the rest o his body
He didn't make me feel at ease......

MJ:  The first one, based on what you said, implied that he was trying to hypnotise you

AM:  Yeah.

MJ:  To make you at ease, for nefarious purposes? To con you into something?

AM:  Yeah.  I think he was setting me up for something
Possibly after the second being left.
When he left, I had info downloaded into my head
I had a sense that there was some sort of collective of extraterrestrials above the hotel.
I couldn't see that they were there but there was a psychic connection; a telepathic connection
I had some strange sort of white light beaming into my head, like a type of video screen in front of my eyes.
But it was purely psychic
It had white light in specific formations.
It all meant something; it was like symbols
This happened after the second guy disappeared
The second guy disappeared through the mirror
He came into the room through the mirror

MJ:  What sort of tone of voice?  Any accent?

AM:  No.  It wasn't words.  It was feeling.
It didn't last long; maybe 2 mins
When he left, the presence of there being a group of extraterrestrials entered into the room
I felt that they were situated above the hotel.
I was just staying in the hotel for a few days; in Earls Court

Caption:  End of Part One

26:23
Part Two

AM:  This download was basically infinity.
Normally we cannot conceptualise infinity because our brains can't do it.
However, my brain was able to do it.
I was having this info download.
This white light in specific formation; like small beams of lines in patterns
It was pure info and it was about the universe, different species, different entities and infinity.
There was a strong visualisation of what infinity is....
If you count up 1, 2, 3, 4, 5 forever and then you count backwards -1, -2, -3, -4 forever; you've got the numbers minus going backwards forever; the numbers going forwards forever - you can really feel that sense of forever
Another thing they showed me.
If the numbers go up 2, 4, 6, 8, 10 and the numbers go back -2, -4, -6, -6, -10; it's a smaller infinity
Something that goes on forever but it's smaller than the one that has 1, 2, 3, 4 because there's more numbers in the one that goes up by 1 than the one that goes up by 2
So they showed me bigger and smaller infinities
I had things which were infinite that were really, really big and things which were infinite that were really, really small.
But they were also infinite
..... Normally you think if something's infinite, then it's just as big as something else that is infinite but actually, there can be bigger and smaller ones.

MJ:  Was this relative dimensions?

AM:  Yes
Basically it applies to consciousness
So they were saying, "Your consciousness can have existed forever."
I couldn't see the details but past lives of mine were coming up ...

MJ:  What did those past lives involve?

AM:  They're just similar to this one.
They were different
They were not all human - different species; different planets

MJ:  What other planets and species?

29 mins
AM:  They range from things like monkeys to house pets, as well as sentient humanoids like what we are.
Just like 2 arms, 2 legs, upright.
Sentient - aware that they are aware
There were lives where I was something like a god.
Very, very long time ago
Their message was that with the reincarnation cycle being infinite, there are times when you're some type of super being but eventually because of time, you end up dead and reincarnate again.
But you could reincarnate as something much lesser
It's quite complicated.
It's basically infinity of lives

MJ:  Is there any qualification as to why you would be one thing or another?

AM:  Yes.  There is some kind of remnant memory.
EG if someone has Alzheimer's, they lose their memory of this life.
However, they sit on a chair.
Their demeanour doesn't change that much.
There's a type of memory that's intuitive and much more subtle.
It doesn't get erased by death.

Caption:  End of Part Two

30:40
Part Three

AM:  The main thing is they downloaded the concept of infinity into my head first .....
If they tell you that there's such a thing as reincarnation, you often would say to them, "Yeah but when does it start?"
I've had a life before this one
Did I have a life before that one as well?
Before they tell you about reincarnation, they tell you infinity first so that you understand that it's possible that you've just had an infinite number of them
They want you to understand that some people have a bigger infinity than other people
So even if you both have had an infinite number of lives; just like going up by 1 or going up by 2
If I go 2, 4, 6, 9, 10 forever and someone else goes 1, 2, 3, 4, 5 forever; like going up by 1 forever or going up  by 2 forever, one would have more numbers in it than the other one.
So even though two people could have an infinite number of lives, one might be a bigger infinity than another

MJ:  Do they have any control over that?
Or how they can access that?

AM:  .....From life to life, you can influence the next one because what you learn and experience to a very deep, deep level; they carry through
Eg if you use the computer a lot and it packs in, you get a new one and the new one doesn't have any memory, but the way you use it would be based on how you used the one before it.
So if you've had a series of computers,  even if you haven't got memory on the new one, your experinces of using the previous ones influences the way you use the new one.
So if you got a new body, you won't have any memory in it but the way you use it is similar to the way you used the one before it; even though you don't remember the one before it

MJ:  So this was in the download you had in the hotel

AM:  Yeah.
After introducing me to infinity, reincarnation, infinite number of lives, some people having a bigger infinite number of lives than others even though they are both infinite, the fact that we were once some form of super being; often this info - there was info about 9/11

Caption:  The 9-11 Download "What F###! are  You People Doing!

33:30
AM:  So ..... they made me experience what it was like to be in the WTC, like burning and all that - neurologically, psychologically, emotionally - to experience the suffering.
They had some sort of suffering pattern; a machine that can run a pattern; a recording of a specific pattern of suffering, so that you can get empathy and sympathy..

MJ:  So you experienced the terror of the whole thing that went on there?

AM:  Yes

MJ:  Or did you experience something like that?

AM:  Something like that.
It's a recording
Eg all the suffering is psychological, neurological and emotional patterns that can be recorded
These ETs are able to run the recording on you so that you experience the same patterns even though you're not in the situation.
You have the experience of what it feels like.

MJ:  And this all happened in this hotel room?

AM:  Yeah

MJ:  That was an experience....
How did they convey that to you?
How did they introduce that to you?
Did it just bingo! keep happening?

AM:  It was kind of introduced.
9/11  came up as a concept
It comes up as concept first and then the pattern of it; of what it was like to be in it, was run on me so I experienced the pain and the suffering.
Then they said to me in telepathy but I'll translate it into English.
They said to me, "What the fuck is this?"
Like, "What the hell is this?"
What is 9/11?
As if it's so bad, why is it so bad?
The next thing they said to me was, "What is wrong with you?"
Not me specifically but the human race in general.
So "What is this?"
"What the hell is this?"
"What's wrong with you as in the human race?"

35:45
MJ:  So they, in turn, asked you, "What the hell are you doing this for?  What is going on?"
What is your response to that?

AM:  I said, "Some people in this world that don't have enough empathy and they harm people and I'm not one of them.  If it was up to me, it wouldn't have happened."
They said they knew that.

MJ:  They wanted to know what you think about that?

AM:  Yeah, exactly.
I didn't enjoy the experience.
It was very painful.
The technology that they used was very effective.
I really did suffer.
It was a terror.

MJ:  Were you in your hotel room, lying on the bed, screaming?

AM:  Exactly.

MJ:  Did anybody not hear this?

AM:  Something strange.
The person in the room next door jumped out of the window around this time

MJ:  How high was he up?

AM:  He didn't die but he did break his back.

MJ:  So he jumped.
Were you able to talk to this person?

AM:  Yeah
I ran into him in the street something like a couple of years later....
It was a very strange co-incidence
He was able to walk.
He has some metal rods in his back
I said to him, "Why did you jump out of the window?"
He said something came over him

MJ:  Are you suggesting that he was having the same experience that you were?

AM:  Exactly.

MJ:  The difference being that you didn't jump out of the window

AM:  I didn't jump out of the window.
His name is Michael and without a doubt, he jumped out of the window.
A couple of years, saw him in Notting Hill Gate, near the station, walking on the main road.
I stopped him and I said, "Are you OK?  How's your back?" and "Why did you jump out of the window?"
He said to me something came over him.

MJ:  Was he able to remember anything that went on?

AM:  I didn't press him further.
I was tempted to say, "Did you have the same experience that I had?" but I felt it wasn't right to ask.

MJ:  What about his back?
What did he land on?

AM:  He landed on the concrete.
His back broke - a bone broke
He had some metal rods put in.
One thing he told me was that in the winter, he can feel the metal

MJ:  You've been shown this event through a form of lines and things coming into your mind

AM:  I can still remember it.
I can still remember the white lines of light in specific patterns

MJ:  The things which come to my mind is like a little bit of the end of 2001, A Space Odyssey, there are lines and things all coming towards you
Is it anything like that?

AM:  Not exactly like that.
It's like a visual image; a moving image that you see in your visual field.
It's not like it overlaps on top of reality.
You know it's not in the room with you
It's in your mind.

MJ:  So basically they seem to be asking what you guys are doing.

AM:  Yeah
They ones only seem to be just discovering 9/11.
Obviously it happened some time ago but these beings, they only just encountered our world and had just studied it.
That's the impression that I got.
So they are kind of new to this world.
Whereas other species, perhaps aren't new to planet Earth.
Well, they were shocked.
There was an element of surprise
They indicated they had only just been introduced to the 9/11 situation.
Whereas other ones, I would assume, who've been here longer, had seen it when it happened, rather than 4 years ago.

MJ:  What was the culmination of this whole event that happened in the hotel?
You had the 9/11 experience
They asked you these questions.
What happened next?

AM:  Basically, they gave me more experiences.
More neurological patterns.
More recordings of different experiences.
Some of them were good.
Some of them were bad.
I don't know what they were.

MJ:  The 9/11 one was just the only one you choose to remember at the moment?

AM:  No.
I remember vaguely what they felt like but they weren't things I'm familiar with.
Eg I know what 9/11 is, so when they ran 9/11 on me, I knew that's 9/11
But when they ran other ones on me, possibly from other worlds, I didn't know what they were so I can't give them a name.

MJ:  What do you mean 'other worlds'?
Were they situations they expected you to know about?

AM:  No.  They were just giving me experiences.
Their emotional and psychological experiences.

MJ:  What kind of other worlds?
Can you remember anything?

AM:  They were higher level.
There were higher amounts of love, higher amounts of compassion, technology, age, specific feelings you'd get if you lived on a world where people live much longer and ... are more evolved than we are.

42:02
MJ:  In what way is that?
Like beings like 100 years, 1,000 years, 2,000 years?

AM:  Possibly 1,000

MJ:  What kind of beings?

AM:  Humanoid but much more evolved and advanced than we are.
So better intellect, better understanding of....
Good looking male and female.
I think they were possibly Nordic, white in appearance.
Tall.
6 foot/7 foot

MJ:  Not 9 foot?

AM:  Maybe.
Hard to say because the experiences were patterns.
So I wasn't physically on the planet, looking at them, seeing their heights relative to mind.
It was just experiences from other worlds, recording ....

MJ:  What do you mean by patterns?

AM:  Your brain has a brainwave pattern.
Your emotions have a pattern as well.
If these things were to be recorded, they could be played as an experience for someone else
The person wouldn't see what you saw; they wouldn't hear what you heard
But they would feel what you felt and have the same neurological patterns running through their head that you had.
It would just be an experience; a feeling, thinking pattern but without seeing anything.

MJ:  Are you talking about geometric patterns in any way?
Or wave forms?

AM:  Wave forms

MJ:  Brain code would be the way nerves click and forms of energy patterns

AM:  Exactly

MJ:  A neuron discharges.

AM:  Yeah, these kinds of patterns

44:10
MJ:  What was the result; the final thing ...?

AM:  I've got this concept of infinity stuck in my head.
And the concept of reincarnation stuck in my head.
And the understanding that 9/11 was very, very bad and indicated that we're not anywhere as evolved as the ones that were communicating with me.

MJ:  What was your knowledge of 9/11 before that?

AM:  Not very good.
I saw it live 'cos I was watching the news as it happened and I had to go lie down afterwards because it made me feel very depressed.

MJ:  What age were you then?

AM:  16

MJ:  Are others suggesting that it was an inside job; that the whole thing was put up by the government
Are you aware of anything like that?

AM:  I'm aware that people have said that it was an inside job.
I don't personally know and I haven't investigated it.
I'm just someone who saw it live, was affected by it emotionally.
It made me depressed ..... for some time.
Eventually, I had this thing happen to me in this hotel room.
I was asked about it and given the experience of it - the patterns

MJ:  So at that time, I'm assuming maybe still now, as far as you're aware, the 9/11 thing is what the government said it was...

AM:  As far as I'm aware, it's what the government said it was.

45:46
MJ:  So you weren't aware of any of the other info which have come to light since then?

AM:  No.

MJ:  So essentially, that's how they took your experience

AM:  Yeah

MJ:  So what happened to finish that experience off?

AM:  The download started to stop.
Their presence started to go away and then I was put to sleep.

MJ:  By that time, you were probably pretty tired.

AM:  Yeah, I was drained by the experience.
However, something very bizarre happened a couple of days after.
I went out of the hotel.
I was still trying to recover from what I had experienced.
I was walking towards the supermarket and all of a sudden, the layout changed.
The architecture of the buildings changed.
And it was 2 suns rather than 1.
That lasted for about 4 hours.
The layout changed.
The street adjusted.
The buildings were slightly different and they were very clean; much cleaner than what we had.
And there were 2 suns.
This lasted for about 4 hours.

MJ:  That's a long time.

AM:  Yeah.
There were people - their clothes were much cleaner than is normal.
They were very good looking.
Everyone was like a model.
I left the hotel, Earls Court, walked up the Warwick Road and then I turned right on Cromwell Road.
I was walking up Cromwell Road.
I passed a billboard and as I looked up at the billboard, I looked back in the direction I was walking

47:35
Caption:  Gateway at Cromwell Road/Earls Court area

AM:  That's when I was...

MJ:  What's on the billboard?

AM:  Just an advert.  Can't remember what it was.

MJ:  But it seems to have affected you in some way; changed your perception.

AM:  It's just that I remember there's a few billboards along the Cromwell Road for the cars passing by .... coming down from west London.

MJ:  And then suddenly, everything's changed.

AM:  Yeah
Two suns

48:10
Caption:  The Next Dimension with Two Suns

AM:  This is a couple of days after

MJ:  And nothing happened?
The whole reality changed and you have 2 suns

AM:  Yeah.  I sat on a wall and looked around; walked around; looked at people.
.... I was expecting maybe that I was a foreigner and that the people would stare at me and something would happen.
But nothing happened.
They were just going about their business.
It freaked me out but I already had the weird thing happen so I just thought this was another thing tied in with what happened in the hotel room

MJ:  Was anything communicated to you there?
Did you go to any of the supermarkets?

AM:  No.
When I came back, I went back to the hotel

MJ:  Four hours is a hell of a long time.

AM:  I was walking up and down, sitting on a wall, looking at the buildings, looking at people.
I was fascinated by what they looked like.

MJ:  What about cars and fashions?

AM:  Very clean.
Everything was much cleaner than here

MJ:  The cars didn't change?
Did the supermarkets change?

AM:  Everything went like empty.
There wasn't any cars.
There was just people.

MJ:  Were they walking about, ... did they have babies?

AM:  No.

MJ:  Walking dogs?

AM:  No.
Just normal clothes that were very, very clean.
Much better looking than normal.
All looked like models.
The building looked super clean, slightly different to our ones but not that different.
What was very strange to me was that things weren't that different.

MJ:  Did you see any trade  names?

AM:  No.
No Nike etc

MJ:  What was the advert as you looked up?

AM:  I can't remember ...
It could have been a TV show or film or something like that
It wasn't particularly outstanding in my memory and I really didn't focus on it or read it.

MJ:  Can you remember anything about that advert?

AM:  No.

MJ:  So as soon as you looked at it, everything changed

AM:  No, my head was just looking up and there was a billboard.
Then I looked back down and that's seems to be when it started.

MJ:  How did it start to manifest?  Instantly happened?

AM  snaps fingers: Just like that.
When I was in it, I thought maybe I'm in a parallel universe.
So I thought maybe it's different but not too different.
The thought that I was on a different planet popped into my head because of the 2 suns.
I was like: 2 suns; different planet.
But then I thought;  it's different but not that different.
Then I thought I must have slid parallel into a differet universe, a bit like Sliders.

MJ:  You've seen the TV series then?

AM:  Yeah.
But there wasn't like a big wormhole and then you jump into the wormhole.
Just walking and then it happened.
But I was of the opinion that perhaps it was similar.
I've gone parallel so I'm in a world that is just a little bit different rather than radically different.

MJ:  Did you feel perhaps they were demonstrating the other worlds to you?

AM:  Maybe.

MJ:  Based on what you've just been downloaded the other day.

AM:  There's no telling what that did to me; what that did to my body.
It could have made my body slightly vulnerable to interdimensional experience.
Also, we don't really know if time and space is completely temporal and linear.
There might be anomalies that can happen
So you could be walking down the street but possibly, you can slightly slip into a different realm

MJ:  So you think you could have been exploring another part of the universe or another dimension?

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AM:  It felt like a parallel universe where it's basically a planet with people on it but it's just slightly different.
There's 2 suns rather than 1
The people - their clothes are very clean.
They look like models

MJ:  OK.  That finished.

AM:  Yeah, it slipped back again.
I came back to this one

MJ:  You continued on with your life

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Caption:  Download Trauma
(Alistair had to lie down many times during this 9 hour session.)

AM:  Not really.
I came back to the hotel and I felt traumatised
So I laid down for  a good couple of hours .....
I was trying to figure out what was going on, especially a couple of nights before.
The 2 suns really affected me; seeing 2 suns like that.

MJ:  What was the sky like?  Blue?  Pink?

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Caption:  The Place with 2 Suns and Pink Sky

AM:  Pink.
Slightly pink and beige

MJ:  The position of the suns?

AM:  They were very close.
They weren't like 2 small circles in the sky, quite far away.
They were quite close.
One of them, I could see was popping out from next to a building
The other one was just there.
I could see all of it.

MJ:  Maybe like the way you can see the moon and the sun in the sky at the same time?

AM:  Yeah.
They were both light, bright and yellow and both very, very bright.
It was the middle of the day.

MJ:  What did this mean to you?

AM:  It damaged me.
Made me afraid of all sorts of things, like what is the meaning of this, what is the meaning of life.
How come I don't have any answers for what I experienced.
I couldn't go to the police.
There's no number for me to call.
I can't call the police and tell them what I've been through.

MJ:  So, is this the first time you've told this to others, apart from the radio show?

AM:  This is one of the first times I've told people.
I haven't told many people; especially in this much detail.

MJ:  How does this feel to remember this?

AM:  A bit uncomfortable.
I feel a bit anxious.
It's trippy

MJ:  But you've had experiences since then?

AM:  Yes