renlies

July 20th, 2009
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     GodzFire:  there u go
      Renwood:  fuck cant see the other chat windows
      Renwood:  cause i minimized HL
     GodzFire:  well can u see this?
      Renwood:  ok well i found the screenshots
      Renwood:  1 sec
     GodzFire:  k
      Renwood:  give me your e mail
     GodzFire:  *EMAIL REMOVED*
      Renwood:  ok i just sent em
      Renwood:  tell what you think about that shit!
     GodzFire:  1 sec
      Renwood:  might take a second since it had a ZIP with it
     GodzFire:  Yea it looks like the real deal, how did Dem say he got these?
     GodzFire:  Was there a backstory?
      Renwood:  he was an alpha tester for TFL and myth 2
      Renwood:  as in he had access to stuff cause he knew somebody at bungie
     GodzFire:  wow, I wonder if he might have some of the early Betas
     GodzFire:  we recently located a copy of TFL Beta 4
      Renwood:  and i remember him back in NoV 97 the month myth came out
      Renwood:  well i can get my electronic enginer guy to do it for $200.  i just never had the extra money
     GodzFire:  I assume this was the only hard drive he had anything Myth related on too
      Renwood:  he works at a place that makes CPU dies or some shit
     GodzFire:  IE he didn't have a backup or something
      Renwood:  so he knows all about clean room procedures
     GodzFire:  he does?
      Renwood:  no he didnt
     GodzFire:  Hmmm
     GodzFire:  That's what I am worried about
      Renwood:  people like to keep things on hard drives beacuse they are STUPID
     GodzFire:  If this friend of yours has a clean room
     GodzFire:  cause if he does, we might have a chance
      Renwood:  he works at a place called AVnet
      Renwood:  ive been there
      Renwood:  its got huge clean rooms and things that make CPU wafers or dies or whatever they are
     GodzFire:  The one thing I don't understand is what made Dem think that the hard drive arm crashed into the platter
      Renwood:  he wears a static coat and one of them disscharging armbands at work
     GodzFire:  the only way that can be found out is by taking the hard drive apart
      Renwood:  in the normal areas
     GodzFire:  Ren, when was the last time you spoke with Dem?
      Renwood:  i think he has to put on a intel bunny suit deal when he goes in the clean room
      Renwood:  like 9 months ago...maybe 1 year ago
     GodzFire:  And you're sure your friend would do this for only like 200-300 bucks?
      Renwood:  yes i helped him put a shit ton of grass sod down a few months ago
     GodzFire:  rofl
      Renwood:  so he owes me
      Renwood:  hes done this before with his own HD's
     GodzFire:  One of the things the lady said was in order to get the information off they would need to know what kind of files are on there
      Renwood:  thats why i trust him
      Renwood:  i know what they are
     GodzFire:  Okay Renwood, I'm willing to put in a couple hundred on this
     GodzFire:  Here's what I need you to do
      Renwood:  they are .wire and whatever else power animator 8 uses
      Renwood:  pix's for textures
     GodzFire:  Get in touch with your friend and ask him A) How much he's estimate his cost for service would be, B) How long would be estimate it would take, and C) if the hard drive is a lost cause, would he refund a portion of the fee
      Renwood:  yes he said if he cant retrive anything he wont charge me
      Renwood:  since it would be worthless to me
     GodzFire:  Is he in your area, or would you have to ship the hard drive to him?
      Renwood:  he lives like 20 miles from me
     GodzFire:  Good
      Renwood:  would drive there
     GodzFire:  hmm
     GodzFire:  I'd be willing to put 200-300 dollars to this then
      Renwood:  ill call him right now see how soon/ how long it will take
     GodzFire:  okay
     GodzFire:  Drop me a note with what he says
      Renwood:  i bet hes at work right now but i can text him i think
     GodzFire:  k
      Renwood:  other day i called him in a meeting heh
      Renwood:  oops
     GodzFire:  well it's almost the end of the anyway
     GodzFire:  well at least here in WIsconsin it's 4:45
     GodzFire:  where are u located
      Renwood:  i tell you what, you will have my personal promise that ill share any myth models i have with you if you send $250 AND if i cant get anything recovered i will SEND IT ALL BACK TO YOU!  i think we BOTH just want the community to have the models after all this time.
      Renwood:  one sec texting him
     GodzFire:  I don't doubt you Ren, I just need to be careful with my money since I lost my job and haven't been able to find a new one thanks to double digit unemployment rate in my area
      Renwood:  well if thats the case can you afford $250?
      Renwood:  i know i cant now hehe
      Renwood:  ok SWEET he says he can take a look at it this weekend!
      Renwood:  i told him he will need to work on it in the cleanroom at avnet and he said "Duh"
      Renwood:  ~8^)
     GodzFire:  okay
     GodzFire:  in that case I will go tomorrow first thing in the monring, and transfer 300 to my paypal account
     GodzFire:  it usually takes a couple of days for that to transfer from my bank to the account
     GodzFire:  so it should be done in time for the weekend
     GodzFire:  when it's added to my account I'll transfer 300 to you
     GodzFire:  So tell your friend that let's schedule it for this weekend then
      Renwood:  its setup
      Renwood:  ok sweet! thanks for the help!
     GodzFire:  I cross my fingers because I just have this sick feeling someone opened the hard drive before and it was improperly exposed
     GodzFire:  I hope I am dead wrong
      Renwood:  no they havent
      Renwood:  you know why?
     GodzFire:  No I can't say I do
      Renwood:  because i allready have all the models offa the HD
     GodzFire:  huh?
      Renwood:  and i allready paid him to do it months ago
     GodzFire:  ahh you lost me
      Renwood:  i was making sure you werent full of shit about wanting to help
     GodzFire:  oh
     GodzFire:  heh
      Renwood:  cause i was exspensive to get them recovered
      Renwood:  err it was
      Renwood:  well $250
     GodzFire:  No no, I was sincere, I actually just bought a 500 gig hard drive for Revan since he might be able to get access to some original content too
      Renwood:  that beatsthe 2700 they quoted you
     GodzFire:  well, it helps to have a friend who you helped sod for :-)
      Renwood:  ill tell you what, ask me to render somebody and ill send you a screenshot of it
     GodzFire:  This brings up a question
     GodzFire:  Is this what "The Wind Age" will contain?
      Renwood:  yes
     GodzFire:  Hmmm, now it all starts to make sense :-)
      Renwood:  but ill tell you what, im broke as fuck and we are going to get shut down due to lack of funding for thing like the internet and money for the website
     GodzFire:  Well, my offer is still geniune
      Renwood:  so im willing to just give you all the models if you can donate to help us out
      Renwood:  i have a public FTP set up and evreything
     GodzFire:  I'll do it first thing tomorrow
      Renwood:  just remember...
     GodzFire:  So tell me, how badly damaged was the drive?
      Renwood:  this is property of take2
     GodzFire:  Was anything lost?
      Renwood:  and we COULD get sued for leaking it
      Renwood:  not that i give a shit
     GodzFire:  Well to tell you the truth, I have a contact that might have any single thing Bungie and MJ had stored on a crapload of disks
      Renwood:  the drive was pretty fucked he had to buy the same exact HD and inter change certain parts he said
     GodzFire:  However I won't have anymore information until late august
      Renwood:  well nont if that contact is fisj cause i asked him the same thing 2 weeks ago
     GodzFire:  I can't say anymore than that because I literly could get sued back to the stone age.
     GodzFire:  It's not
     GodzFire:  Man Fisj there's an old school name
     GodzFire:  wasn't he part of VR with Vodi?
      Renwood:  he rocks
      Renwood:  knew him since tfl
      Renwood:  brb
     GodzFire:  k
      Renwood:  you dont have wells fargo do you?
     GodzFire:  ahhh no
     GodzFire:  Does this mean Road has been rendering the Myth units?
      Renwood:  its free to wire with them
     GodzFire:  Because I know he's been rendering units for the wind age project
     GodzFire:  After I collected all the available M3 unit material, I gave them to Road to look at since Khellek had gone missing in action
      Renwood:  yes he is working on it
     GodzFire:  Road created an awesome looking Connacht Llancarfan preview
      Renwood:  hmm
     GodzFire:  Crap hold on Ren, a family member came home from work I gotta talk with them quick
      Renwood:  never saw that
     GodzFire:  gimme 5 mins
     GodzFire:  brb
      Renwood:  ok
      Renwood:  i will also give you the program that we use called Alias Studio tools 12.0
      Renwood:  you will need it to use them......unless you can get a copy of poweranimator 8 ...BUT thats SUPER RARE
     GodzFire:  okay back
      Renwood:  you also will help the entire community because you can release the models to whoever you want
     GodzFire:  Yea Road was nice enough to take a look at the M3 material I had avialble
      Renwood:  i never released them yet cause i wanted to try to get people to help us make them into collections
      Renwood:  and i figured if i just gave them toevreybody they would just start 1000 solo projects and not help each other
     GodzFire:  But on his behalf he DID prioritize his work from you first
     GodzFire:  so don't yell at Road :-)
      Renwood:  but i really need to money to keep this whole myth 4 thing going
      Renwood:  so you will convince me with your kind donation ~8^)
     GodzFire:  I thought you saw the link I posted with all the M3 information
     GodzFire:  1 sec lemme retrieve it
      Renwood:  BTW DO NOT TELL ANYBODY ABOUT THIS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
      Renwood:  i know it will be hard to keep it to yourself
     GodzFire:  Lemme put it this way, who CAN I talk to besides you?
      Renwood:  but just wait a few days after you get them and you can tell whoever you want
     GodzFire:  Road i assume
      Renwood:  you can talk to Road in pm chat or ooga they are on the myth 4 dev team
      Renwood:  nobody else though
     GodzFire:  well, I am not going to mention anything to anyone until I can figure out the best way for these to benefit the Myth community and increase it's longevity
      Renwood:  and certainly NOT any magma types
      Renwood:  whatever you do dont tell them hehe
     GodzFire:  I've always maintained that besides the 640x480 interface limitation, the biggest sign of Myth's age is the pixelated units
      Renwood:  btw did you know ooga moved in with me 4 months ago JUST to work on myth 4 stuff with me
     GodzFire:  ewww you roomed with Oooga
      Renwood:  he lived here in phoenix back in 2006 as well to work on myth stuff
     GodzFire:  I've known Ooga for probably 10 years now
      Renwood:  how can you not like ooga, he makes the BEST myth collections, and hes pretty good at myth
      Renwood:  and is one of the most skilled DEVS myth has ever had
     GodzFire:  back when we were both part of Anicolyte Map Making group with Troll, Soma, Orlando The Axe, and Bloodluster
     GodzFire:  I miss those guys, Troll especially
     GodzFire:  I miss a lot of Myth people and groups who are now long gone
      Renwood:  oogas only problem is he gets mad online easy heh
     GodzFire:  I have to say I can't remember how long you've been around Ren
     GodzFire:  I might simply just not have remembered your name from the past
      Renwood:  i used to have to keep his armys seperate from other players or they would argue the whole match and not kill the enemy
     GodzFire:  Did you use the name Renwood from the start?
      Renwood:  i won mwc 98
      Renwood:  and was around since nov 97
     GodzFire:  Cause I've been around since TFL Demo
      Renwood:  thats only a few weeks before me
     GodzFire:  Do you remember the M1 guild ROKA?
      Renwood:  do you remember the clan "58th WILD CARDS"
      Renwood:  ?
     GodzFire:  I can't say I do, there were so many guilds back in the way
      Renwood:  roka.....they were japanese?
     GodzFire:  *day
     GodzFire:  russian I think
     GodzFire:  heh
      Renwood:  hehe Dem was in the 58th with me for years
     GodzFire:  I just joined them in M1 cause I had a good friend there
      Renwood:  so yea, i just decided to tell you the truth so you didnt have to worry your pretty little head about wether the money would go down the drain trying to recover the stuff
     GodzFire:  Here, did you see this post back from May? http://tain.totalcodex.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=4325&p=40019
      Renwood:  i know it would keep ME up at night
      Renwood:  but please DONT give more then you can afford
     GodzFire:  This is what I uploaded for everyone
      Renwood:  anything over $200 is more then i had hoped for
     GodzFire:  A lot of the models are either missing the animations or the model itself
     GodzFire:  although a lot of the main ones like Connacht, Damas, Deceiver, Ravana, Moagim have all the pieces
     GodzFire:  and just need to be rendered
     GodzFire:  Road was helping to see if it would be possible
      Renwood:  yea that post is pretty much exactly what i had in mind for our post
     GodzFire:  I told him he should concentrate on his work for you and Ooga since he said you were paying him :-)
      Renwood:  ill post them to the public after i give them to you, and you can leak them the same time, that way we can take a part of the blame each heh
     GodzFire:  Well back to the hard drive, what % do you estimate was recoverable?
     GodzFire:  Were you pretty lucky?
     GodzFire:  Was a crushed seek arm the real problem with it?
      Renwood:  i have wanted to release them for a while now...but your donation will push me over the edge and ill have to release them just to keep our damn website up and be able to pay the internet bill heh
      Renwood:  it had a place where the arm was like stuck or something on the disc
     GodzFire:  wow
      Renwood:  turned out that part didnt have the models on it
      Renwood:  so yes WE LUCKED OUT!
      Renwood:  fucking hell i had to bug dem FOR YEARS to send me that HD
      Renwood:  i started buggin him when he said he had it back in like 2002
     GodzFire:  I'm surprised it turned out so well
     GodzFire:  Myth seems to have a tragic history with hard drives
      Renwood:  dont forget its still a lot of work to make them into useable collections for myth
      Renwood:  rendering them
      Renwood:  setting up all the textures
      Renwood:  making the animations
      Renwood:  well it has animations
      Renwood:  but some need to be tweaked a little
      Renwood:  then haveing to make them into collections with Amber or Oak
     GodzFire:  so what did the hard drive all have?
     GodzFire:  just unit models? or other models as well?
     GodzFire:  old betas? interface material?
      Renwood:  its got ALL the TFL models from Balor to dwarves
      Renwood:  and they are in final states
      Renwood:  the myth 2 models are from some savepoint BEFORE they were ready and in final form for the renders
     GodzFire:  hmm
      Renwood:  as in the myth 2 wars have animations and a good model BUT the myth 2 war has shitty textures
      Renwood:  cause he wasnt finished at the point he was saved
      Renwood:  the TFL models are from when they were all FINALS so they look great
     GodzFire:  How much of the 80 gigs was used?
      Renwood:  its a 4 gig sit folder
     GodzFire:  holy crap that's it
     GodzFire:  you're kidding me
      Renwood:  its got cool stuff though like never before seen concept art
      Renwood:  and a few units that NOBODY EVER KNEW EXSISTED!
      Renwood:  like a fucking VAMPIRE!!
     GodzFire:  actually
      Renwood:  its a pretty lame skinhead chick with batwings
     GodzFire:  do you remember the pre-release of TFL?
     GodzFire:  it talked about a Vampire
     GodzFire:  I actually made a post on it
     GodzFire:  1 sec
      Renwood:  i only played the first release
     GodzFire:  Check this out: http://tain.totalcodex.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=4462&p=41825#p41825
     GodzFire:  The Myth Graveyard has the page: http://mything.org/index.php?a=article-read&o=0000002334
     GodzFire:  And look, lo and behold from the pre-release info: "Vampyrs - Unable to resist their insatiable appetite for human flesh, the Vampyrs can be called in to battle by the Ghol shamans."
      Renwood:  lol check your e mail...i just sent you a pic of it!
     GodzFire:  k
     GodzFire:  wow
     GodzFire:  that's rather sad
      Renwood:  isnt it
      Renwood:  heh
     GodzFire:  so just lemme get this straight, the entire 80 gig hard drive was empty with the exception of 1, 4 gig sit file
      Renwood:  ok let me give you my info so you can donate 1 sec heh
     GodzFire:  which contained all the unit models
      Renwood:  ill also e mail it to you
     GodzFire:  yea e-mail is the bset
      Renwood:  empty?
      Renwood:  no it had other shit on it
      Renwood:  i just wanted the 4 gig SIT file
     GodzFire:  ahhh okay
     GodzFire:  I was gonna say
      Renwood:  that had ALL the bungie model stuff
     GodzFire:  well did the hard drive, besides the sit file contain any other Myth stuff?
      Renwood:  it wasnt hard to find since it was the biggest single file on the hd hehe
     GodzFire:  cause I'm also interested in stuff like concept art, interface material
      Renwood:  its got tons of stuff that was included in the sit
     GodzFire:  anything
      Renwood:  like concept art
      Renwood:  i think the modelers used it to help design the 3D models
      Renwood:  see how in that shiver pic i sent you she has her concept art behind her?
     GodzFire:  yea I was wondering about that
      Renwood:  they even used TEXTURES FROM THE CONCEPT ART FOR THE 3D MODELS!
      Renwood:  look at the boots shiver has on
      Renwood:  the match exactly to the concept art bhind her
     GodzFire:  yea they most likely were staring at the concept art as the modellers made her
      Renwood:  yea
      Renwood:  there is a really swet super high res close up of a mual
     GodzFire:  I just hope that 4 gig sit still opens after all this time
     GodzFire:  lol how long does it take to unstuff
      Renwood:  godz..we use it
     GodzFire:  rofl
      Renwood:  lets see
      Renwood:  it takes a while
     GodzFire:  man I could believe it
      Renwood:  maybe 15-20
     GodzFire:  that's not bad I was gonna say like an hour or something
      Renwood:  maybe longer it was a long ass time
      Renwood:  i forget i was just so happy it was working!
     GodzFire:  if it's a 4 gig sit, how big does it unstuff to?
      Renwood:  9.80 GB (10,525,573,120 bytes)
     GodzFire:  So this Studio /AE, is it a sucessor to Powertools?
      Renwood:  i just checked
     GodzFire:  err Designstudio?
      Renwood:  from what i understand poweranim8tor 8.0 was used to create all these models and animations
      Renwood:  but that company was bought by the people who THEN made Maya
     GodzFire:  correct
      Renwood:  and they pulled all the power anim8tor 8.0 off the shelves
     GodzFire:  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PowerAnimator
      Renwood:  to help transition people to use Maya
     GodzFire:  so it transformed into Maya/Studiotools
      Renwood:  but we use ALias studio tools 12.0
     GodzFire:  well I guess if it openes the models that's all that counts
      Renwood:  only problem is its hard to find active forums or anything related to what we are doing
     GodzFire:  it's a good thing to have Road with you
      Renwood:  its used for designing concept cars and previs of buldings and fabrication prototypes
     GodzFire:  I bet Khellek would be great to have aboard too
     GodzFire:  He told me he could sit down and fully render a unit in a single day
      Renwood:  he used what program?
     GodzFire:  He recently popped back on Hotline after visiting his brother in Seattle for a long time
     GodzFire:  I'm sorry I can't say
     GodzFire:  If I recall, he used a wide variety
     GodzFire:  he was the first person I contacted to check out the M3 models
     GodzFire:  he used 3DS Max for that
     GodzFire:  I believe he also used Poser and Blender
      Renwood:  hmmm
      Renwood:  yea i saw him on hl about 2 months ago
      Renwood:  i was going to bug him to finish Laws of evil
      Renwood:  ok so i have only used paypal 1 time to send myrd money is this all you need? "Ren Wood" <*EMAIL REMOVED*
      Renwood:  err "Ren Wood" *EMAIL REMOVED*
      Renwood:  i thought you just had to enter the person's e mail address
     GodzFire:  sorry I had to explain to a family member about the moon landing
      Renwood:  i used that email account to sign up on paypal
     GodzFire:  back now
     GodzFire:  u hear that they confirmed the original Apollo 11 video tapes were erased and recorded over?
      Renwood:  the originals are from Austraila or some shit
      Renwood:  because they were the first station to recive and relay them
     GodzFire:  negative, they were sent to Austrialia back in the 70s for some processing but sent back to NASA after
     GodzFire:  they then accidently used the tapes to record satelite data on
      Renwood:  slick
      Renwood:  so what do you need to be able to send it?
     GodzFire:  Check out this article, it goes over everything
     GodzFire:  http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=106637066
     GodzFire:  I just need your paypal account
     GodzFire:  name
      Renwood:  just the email i signed up on with "Ren Wood" *EMAIL REMOVED*
     GodzFire:  Tomorrow I will go and transfer 300 dollars to the account I use for paypal, once that's done I will add the funds to my paypal account
     GodzFire:  that usually takes 3-4 days for whatever reason
      Renwood:  well dont spend your fucking rent money!
      Renwood:  heh
     GodzFire:  I never did get how you could instantly send money to other people when paying for stuff, but it takes like 3-4 days to get the money into your account initially
      Renwood:  $250 or $300 is fine whatever you can AFFORD to give
      Renwood:  want the Alias program?
      Renwood:  i can upload that to our public FTP now so you can start learning it if you want
     GodzFire:  ugg
     GodzFire:  modeling
     GodzFire:  I fear that might be a problem
     GodzFire:  it's a lot like coding/programming, which I really struggle at
     GodzFire:  I opened up 3DS Max and tried to look around with it with one of the M3 models
     GodzFire:  I had no idea at all how to do anything
     GodzFire:  It's like a janitor looking at a nasa control console and asked to coach the shuttle to orbit
     GodzFire:  Kinda off topic, but you should really uninstall that Windows Desktop Search. It's a huge process drain and takes up a lot of uneeded resources
      Renwood:  sorry had to make some hotdogs
      Renwood:  num num numn
      Renwood:  yea
      Renwood:  thats a fucking POS
      Renwood:  windows search
     GodzFire:  U wanna know how to remove it?
      Renwood:  y!
     GodzFire:  I'm a Computer Support Specialist by default
     GodzFire:  err by profession
     GodzFire:  I'm an IT dude, there u go :-0
     GodzFire:  it's actually really easy, open up your add/remove programs
      Renwood:  am i wanna be video game producer
     GodzFire:  near the bottom of the list should be something called "Windows Desktop Search"
     GodzFire:  uninstall that
      Renwood:  and former tae kwon do instructor
     GodzFire:  it might ask if u want to delete the search index, say yes or you'll have a big index chunk left
     GodzFire:  I think it also gives you the option to restart now or later, you can just choose later
     GodzFire:  That thing is horrible, Microsoft made it so it's installed by default through windows update
      Renwood:  yea
      Renwood:  i noticed
     GodzFire:  They mislead you because it's NOT something that's required
      Renwood:  ooga and i allways bitched about how fucking shitty normal windows "find" option was
      Renwood:  seems microsoft finaly noticed and made something even worse
     GodzFire:  Lemme know when u tried to uninstall it, I just want to make sure it went okay for you
      Renwood:  ill save this chat and do it later
     GodzFire:  roger
      Renwood:  these hotdogs were good
     GodzFire:  I have one more question Ren, do you really plan on uploading 9 gigs of stuff?
      Renwood:  they are cheese filled and i used fank's hot sauce cause i have no mustard!
     GodzFire:  If you're ISP has a bandwidth limitation you might hit it
      Renwood:  its 4 gigs in .sit format
      Renwood:  i have quite the pro setup
     GodzFire:  hmm true
      Renwood:  i can upload and DL anything i want
     GodzFire:  still, 4 gigs is a pretty big upload as well
      Renwood:  and i have like 3 terabytes of bandwitdh per month on my http://www.myth4thewindage.com AND ftp server
      Renwood:  its no sweat ~8^)
     GodzFire:  I'm curious, did Bungie make the watcher model animated? or was it always just that one stoned sequence?
      Renwood:  just make sure your comp is set up to DL such large files
      Renwood:  sometimes you need to increase the file size or page file size that windwos temp can use
      Renwood:  cause it puts DL's in the temp folder untill they are done dling and then copies them or some thing to where you tld it to go
     GodzFire:  I'm fine, I have a Mac Pro, duel 2.6 ghz Intel Xeon processors with 4 gigs of RAM
      Renwood:  o DER BTW i can also send you a DVD with the files!
      Renwood:  if the file uploadin wont work
     GodzFire:  as long as you are cool with uploading that should be fine
      Renwood:  it should work fine
     GodzFire:  you might want to start tonight, I'm sure it will take a few days to finish
      Renwood:  yea
     GodzFire:  took me a day to upload the 620 Myth3 app to Hotline
      Renwood:  ill start it tonight
      Renwood:  well do you have a website?
     GodzFire:  I do not
      Renwood:  ok i was gonna say get it ready for these files but never mind hehe
      Renwood:  remember dont talk to ANYBODY about this
     GodzFire:  Yes Ren you got it
      Renwood:  when you have it in your hot little hands you can tell and give them to whoever you want
     GodzFire:  How does the Avatara model look?
      Renwood:  let me send you the pic!
     GodzFire:  cool
     GodzFire:  It will be nice to get a more smooth Forest Giant, it was my favorite unti from M1 and was sad when it didn't make it into M2
     GodzFire:  Balor was another one which seemed to be rather low on frames
      Renwood:  whats your e mail again?
     GodzFire:  *EMAIL REMOVED*
     GodzFire:  like he had a stick up his butt or something
      Renwood:  ok i just e mailed you some more pics
     GodzFire:  checking now
      Renwood:  that war is the unfinished myth 2 war
      Renwood:  the TFL war looks better
      Renwood:  might take a min it was bigger then before
     GodzFire:  got it
     GodzFire:  checking now
     GodzFire:  what the heck is with alric's face
      Renwood:  hehes
      Renwood:  he looks like a lego toy
     GodzFire:  dear lord
      Renwood:  i think hes ment to be wearing a MASK
     GodzFire:  hmm the dirigible was a puffed up wight
      Renwood:  btw i just gave you my private E mail
      Renwood:  please dont use that one as a contact for public records
     GodzFire:  okay
      Renwood:  use *EMAIL REMOVED* for public
      Renwood:  and *EMAIL REMOVED* is what i signed up with paypal
      Renwood:  as "Ren Wood"
      Renwood:  brb
     GodzFire:  what the hell, a jellyfish?
      Renwood:  heh brb
     GodzFire:  k
     GodzFire:  Ren, our dinner's ready and I am gonna go eat with the family. I'll probably be back in 30 mins or so at the top of the hour
      Renwood:  sweet yea nice talking to you! im glad i got on HL ~8^)
      Renwood:  ok i e mailed you my exact paypal info
      Renwood:  o btw in the end when people ask just tell them IF you want to, that you helped pay for the HD recovery because your ARE helping with those costs. i got it recovered about months ago
      Renwood:  err months ago
      Renwood:  hmm 5?
      Renwood:  yes about 5 months ago
     GodzFire:  I'm back, watching TV with the family, if you have anything you need, just come on Hotline. I'm on almost everyday, it's the best way to contact me
     GodzFire:  If I don't talk to u before then, I'll get the bank stuff going tomorrow
      Renwood:  sweet ill upload alias and the myth models to our ftp tonight!

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      Renwood:  bloop!
     GodzFire:  Hey Ren
      Renwood:  sup gods
      Renwood:  ok i started uploading it 7 hours ago
     GodzFire:  I transferred 300 dollars to my Paypal account from my bank about 10 minutes ago
     GodzFire:  unfortunately it will take 3-5 days to complete
     GodzFire:  however
     GodzFire:  I currently I have 175 still left in my account
     GodzFire:  which I will transfer to you right now
     GodzFire:  I had forgotten I made a few eBay purchases
      Renwood:  sure
      Renwood:  i thought evreybody switched to criagslist
      Renwood:  !
      Renwood:  ~8^)
     GodzFire:  nah I have no need for a prostitute or blow up doll
     GodzFire:  Paypal account = *EMAIL REMOVED* right?
      Renwood:  what about a USED blow up doll only 2 blocks away?
      Renwood:  lets see yes thats the right E mail and my first name and last name on paypal is "Ren Wood"
     GodzFire:  Okay
     GodzFire:  money transferred
     GodzFire:  check your account to confirm
      Renwood:  1 sec
      Renwood:  wow thanks!
     GodzFire:  I take it the transfer was a sucess?
      Renwood:  yea it says its in there and they only took out 5.81 for a fee!
      Renwood:  not too shabby
      Renwood:  now i just have to figure out how to make that go into my bank account that i linked to it yesterday
     GodzFire:  Well, hopefully that's enough to renew the website until the rest of my funds get transfered
     GodzFire:  Why not just pay your server fee with paypal?
      Renwood:  yea the website is $120
      Renwood:  i dunno much about paypal
      Renwood:  this is the second time ive used it
     GodzFire:  I never used Paypal until about 3 years ago
     GodzFire:  before that I'd use money orders for eBay acutions
     GodzFire:  but Paypal is just great, because you can instantly pay for stuff
     GodzFire:  and Paypal is used by a lot of businesses
      Renwood:  i think i will be able to pay the website hosting bill now and half of what i owe for the cable internet i have at the house
      Renwood:  so its still uploading cause it went from like 300k a sec down to like 35k a sec
     GodzFire:  What is your hosting website? You can check if they accept paypal
     GodzFire:  if they do they will have an e-mail address to use
      Renwood:  i bet they take paypal, its just the account is set up and linked to my credit card
      Renwood:  godz im really glad you contacted me
      Renwood:  O and BTW i saw your PM last night
      Renwood:  from a month ago
     GodzFire:  last night?
     GodzFire:  oh
      Renwood:  was it on magma?
     GodzFire:  Yea
     GodzFire:  I also sent it I believe through the e-mail provided there
     GodzFire:  maybe check your profile settings to make sure your stuff is up to date
      Renwood:  yea i was looking for the address to the public FTP toxyn made for the myth models
      Renwood:  because we wanted to be ready to release them sometime in the next few months to the public
     GodzFire:  Toxyn?
      Renwood:  yes hes our website admin/creator
     GodzFire:  So who exactly all knows about these models
     GodzFire:  best to get me a list
      Renwood:  our team is: Renwood, Ooga, Toxyn, CLassic, Corbeau, brutesqaud
      Renwood:  and Road
      Renwood:  how can i forget
     GodzFire:  And they all know about these models then?
      Renwood:  no
      Renwood:  just me ooga toxyn classic and road
      Renwood:  and you hehe
     GodzFire:  okay that's what I wanted to know
      Renwood:  remember
     GodzFire:  Yes tell no one for now
      Renwood:  DONT SAY ANYTHING!!!!!!!! to ANYmyther!! not even your best tfl bud from back in the day
      Renwood:  cause they will spill the beans
     GodzFire:  I don't have any TFL buds left :-(
      Renwood:  heh
     GodzFire:  yea your upload speed is gonna be sucky
      Renwood:  like i said though after you get the models you can do whatever you want with them
     GodzFire:  my max is about 40-50k
      Renwood:  and give them to whoever
     GodzFire:  so u are gonna be uploading for a LOOONG time
      Renwood:  i dont think so....but the damn thing isnt saying how far along it is
     GodzFire:  I hope you have a resume feature in case you don't disconnect
     GodzFire:  err in case you do
     GodzFire:  are you using FTP?
      Renwood:  like i said i can allways send you a DVD with the files on it to if needed
      Renwood:  yes its FTP
     GodzFire:  okay good
     GodzFire:  it doesn't show you how much it's transfered?
     GodzFire:  in megabytes?
      Renwood:  wow im excited!!! wooo!
      Renwood:  lets see
     GodzFire:  actually you mind if I grab the FTP info?
     GodzFire:  I can check from my end
     GodzFire:  lemme open Cyberduck
     GodzFire:  okay ready
      Renwood:  ok well heres the deal, ill give you the myth models for this money you just sent
      Renwood:  and ill give you the PROGRAM that you will need to USE them or even look at them when you send the rest
     GodzFire:  okay
     GodzFire:  sure that sounds fair
      Renwood:  that way you can rest easy with the models
     GodzFire:  Well I'm also pretty interested in the concept art and stuff
     GodzFire:  give me time to sort through the stuff
      Renwood:  now im giving you our PRIVATE FTP
      Renwood:  cause i cant for the life of me find where the fuck toxy said the new public one is
     GodzFire:  no worries, I have to keep information locked up in my head all the time when I work in IT
      Renwood:  ok lets see 1 sec
     GodzFire:  k
      Renwood:  yes it looks like the myth models.sit in finished
      Renwood:  allthough it closed cute FTP when it was done dling
      Renwood:  hmm
      Renwood:  ok well how about this please give me 1 day to get it all set up before you tell anybody or give them away to anybody else.  we were going to make an announcement on our website saying we were working with the bungie models and that we needed help from anybody who would like to work on them
      Renwood:  so help get the myth 4 thing done
     GodzFire:  Ren I really don't plan on telling anyone for at least a few weeks
      Renwood:  no no dont wait that long
     GodzFire:  my main goal is to sort everything out and make some backups
      Renwood:  i tell you this because magma has these files as well and they DONT want to give them to the public because they are pussys
     GodzFire:  I'm happy to take it slow to figure out the best possible way to address these
      Renwood:  im going against what they want, but FUCK they DIDNT make these models!  its bungie/take2/myth community property!
     GodzFire:  Don't worry I really don't have any problem waiting
     GodzFire:  You have my word
      Renwood:  wee!
     GodzFire:  You also have my money :-)
     GodzFire:  heh
      Renwood:  also dont tell anybody our ftp pass heh
      Renwood:  ok heres the info
     GodzFire:  Of course Ren, I know it's important
      Renwood:  Address: *INFO REMOVED* <-- do not put ftp, http or www before that
      Renwood:  Login: *INFO REMOVED*
      Renwood:  Password: *INFO REMOVED*
      Renwood:  then go to uploads
      Renwood:  then go to apps
      Renwood:  its in there
     GodzFire:  okay I'm in, lemme check this out
     GodzFire:  moment please
     GodzFire:  okay I see a 790.5 meg sit called Myth Models
      Renwood:  790?
     GodzFire:  yes
      Renwood:  damnit
      Renwood:  wheres it say that?
     GodzFire:  I can try to download it to see if it opens ok
     GodzFire:  it looks to be completed
     GodzFire:  it doesn't have a partial upload icon
      Renwood:  one sec let me call toxyn on his cell, it should be 3-4 gigs
      Renwood:  hmm
      Renwood:  i think our ftp has no size limit
     GodzFire:  I'm downloading it, and will see if the sit opens
     GodzFire:  if it doesn't I'll let you know
     GodzFire:  it looks to be complete though, we'll see
      Renwood:  yea that cant be though its fucking 4 gig sit file on my desktop
      Renwood:  allthough it was uploading for over 7 hours
      Renwood:  i just think its not complete because cute ftp seems to have closed itself
     GodzFire:  well, it's at 38%, so when it's done I'll let you know if the sit decides to open
      Renwood:  i went to see if it was still dling, and i had to reopen cute ftp...
      Renwood:  well i can go put a dvd in the mail right now if you give me a mailing address
     GodzFire:  Where do you live?
     GodzFire:  Wisconsin here
      Renwood:  phoenix
      Renwood:  should take 2-3 maybe 4 days even the cheap rate
     GodzFire:  might as well send a copy
     GodzFire:  here the info, I'll have it to go a business location since someone is always there
     GodzFire:  *INFO REMOVED*
      Renwood:  ok, i am also reuploading the myth models .sit to the art folder
      Renwood:  it shouldnt be 790 megs
      Renwood:  its fucking 4 gigs
     GodzFire:  I'll send you a bit extra money if you can send it through a faster method than media mail
      Renwood:  ok well i have a burnt DVD with the models on them as backup, ill send that right now.  and keep working on the FTP upload
     GodzFire:  okay
      Renwood:  i also left voice mails on toxyn's cell phone to call me
     GodzFire:  Alrighty, well I'll be around pretty much all day
      Renwood:  i was wondering if there was a size limit on our private ftp.  since i had told him to set up a NEW PUBLIC ftp for this 4 gig myth models.sit
     GodzFire:  brb 4-5 mins
      Renwood:  ok im going to the post office to mail that right now
      Renwood:  bbl
     GodzFire:  k I'll be around