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  1. [21:35:29] Lauren Timson: blizzard need to calm down
  2. [21:35:32] Lauren Timson: theyre too stronf
  3. [21:40:03] Kara: BOO
  4. [21:40:06] Kara: IS THIS MICROTRANSACTIONS
  5. [21:40:19] Lauren Timson: nah
  6. [21:40:23] Lauren Timson: you earn it in game
  7. [21:40:35] Lauren Timson: obvs u can get through micro transactions
  8. [21:40:44] Lauren Timson: but if u play the game u get points to buy crates
  9. [21:40:45] Kara: fucking better
  10. [21:40:47] Lauren Timson: which these are in
  11. [21:41:12] Kara: that is an asinine system in a game for which you already pay
  12. [21:41:13] Kara: fuck that game
  13. [21:41:14] Kara: i'm out
  14. [21:42:46] Lauren Timson: calm your tatts
  15. [21:43:52] Kara: NO
  16. [21:43:53] Kara: >:C
  17. [21:44:09] Kara: I WILL RELENT SKINS BEING A THING YOU EARN OVER TIME THROUGH MASTERY OF THE CHAMPION BUT THIS IS BULLSHIT
  18. [21:44:34] Kara: ONE PAYS 40 BUCKS TO PLAY THIS GAME AND THEN YOU HAVE TO GET POINTS IN ORDER TO BUY CRATES IN WHICH I ASSUME THERE WILL BE A CHANCE AT THEM
  19. [21:44:54] Kara: Like if it's just get the points > buy the skin kind of deal c'est ca I will relent and calm
  20. [21:45:14] Kara: but otherwise it is a garbage fucking system the likes of which have crept into HALO, CoD, fucking
  21. [21:45:20] Kara: TF2 sort of
  22. [21:45:22] Lauren Timson: not enough infos come out yet
  23. [21:45:28] Lauren Timson: the beta only opened again the other day
  24. [21:45:39] Kara: I am deflated in hype.
  25. [21:45:52] Kara: That is a shit tier system I refuse to support.
  26. [21:47:02] Kara: Designed to literally milk you of your money. I don't care how pretty they are, the thing they stand for are garbage and is probably designed within the game itself to shake as much money out of you as possible by making either the point collection fucking atrocious (See: League of Legends, might as well buy everything) or find some other way to make the outright buying of things far more alluring than actually
  27. [21:47:16] Kara: P L A Y I N G T H E G A M E F O R T H A T S W E E T R E W A R D
  28. [21:47:31] Kara: cause lord help you design a game that rewards your aptitude gradually with unlocks and skins and whatnot.
  29. [21:47:33] Kara: >:C
  30. [22:12:00] Lauren Timson: you do realise that people have to actually make money to do this you know
  31. [22:12:47] Kara: THERE IS NO POINT BEYOND THE INITIAL BARRIER OF ENTRY THAT IS 40 BUCKS TO KEEP ON PAYING FOR A VIDEOGAME
  32. [22:12:48] Lauren Timson: then don't buy it
  33. [22:12:58] Lauren Timson: we don't actually know if theyre putting in transactions
  34. [22:13:01] Lauren Timson: and even if they did
  35. [22:13:11] Lauren Timson: its your choice if you want to actually buy it
  36. [22:13:21] Lauren Timson: you can get it from playing if you want
  37. [22:13:31] Lauren Timson: you get rewarded either way
  38. [22:13:42] Lauren Timson: but people will always be like why cant I have it now
  39. [22:13:57] Kara: That is a weak as shit argument that has excused the expansion pack into DLC charade today.
  40. [22:14:05] Lauren Timson: yeah cus certain things in dlc r fucking pointless
  41. [22:14:07] Lauren Timson: aka ea
  42. [22:14:19] Lauren Timson: but your ripping into a beta game
  43. [22:14:29] Lauren Timson: that literally just showed this new stuff yesterday
  44. [22:14:55] Kara: Because I have absolutely 0 reason to believe otherwise considering this kind of shit has been pulled time and time again
  45. [22:15:11] Kara: It's what has facilitated the rise of casual mobile games that are designed to gauge you dry.
  46. [22:15:36] Kara: You don't /have/ to. If you pay a small fee. And you can just wait. But that's not good game design. That's not even game design.
  47. [22:16:08] Kara: It's literally just a 'fun stops for a bit now' barrier now that is somehow acceptable. The downside being that, you know, it's free. So I'll give it that.
  48. [22:16:51] Lauren Timson: but its literally all athestics
  49. [22:16:54] Lauren Timson: theres nothing there
  50. [22:16:57] Lauren Timson: that makes you better
  51. [22:17:04] Lauren Timson: or advances your game play
  52. [22:17:10] Kara: I as a consumer would have to pay money to get into this game - Overwatch - and if I were to then like some of the side stuff which is in the game, I could smooth over that process that forking over more dough.
  53. [22:17:23] Lauren Timson: or you could just buy the game, enjoy it for what it is and get on with your life
  54. [22:17:43] Kara: oh okay
  55. [22:18:10] Lauren Timson: there is nothing in this game that you buy that will help your gameplay
  56. [22:18:44] Lauren Timson: its literally all asthetics to be like you don't need this but If you like so and so char
  57. [22:18:52] Lauren Timson: and this char happens to have a big fuckoff badass skin
  58. [22:19:14] Lauren Timson: maybe youd might want that skin since u spam that char and enjoy playing the game
  59. [22:20:55] Kara: My point is that I'll have already paid 40 bucks to play this game.
  60. [22:21:23] Lauren Timson: nut with that 40 bucks you've got the entirety of the game
  61. [22:21:26] Lauren Timson: but*
  62. [22:21:40] Lauren Timson: the only thing u haven't got are the skins, which are unlockable by playing
  63. [22:23:32] Kara: Let's say you have a cake you paid 40 bucks for. It is a very good cake. Very enjoyable. You would assume the cake comes with all bobs and bells, as the cake has already been 40 bucks. It's a good cake, of course. It's just flat. It doesn't look like a cake. For it to actually look like a cake, one would have to pay intervals of 2 bucks or so per extra bob and bells.
  64. [22:23:38] Lauren Timson: the dlc argument refers to a developer releasing an unfinished game for retail price and then to actually finish it you have to spend an extra 40, I get what youre referring to. but in this case, its still in beta, things have to be confirmed and when a fully functional game is still in beta
  65. [22:23:46] Kara: Despite having already paid 40 bucks for the cake. You don't have whipped cream, or the little chocolate thingamabobs.
  66. [22:24:03] Lauren Timson: they've literally said everything that's going to be in the game
  67. [22:25:11] Kara: Videogames as a whole have a terrifying history of letting terrible design trends dictate the landscape of gaming. As someone who thoroughly enjoys this hobby and knowing Blizzard's history in
  68.  
  69. creative usage of patting money out of people's pockets
  70. I'd say there's plenty of reason to be worried.
  71. [22:26:06] Lauren Timson: you do know that I want to go into this business right,
  72. [22:26:16] Lauren Timson: your argument is based at dlcs
  73. [22:26:31] Lauren Timson: your argument isn't on the actual game
  74. [22:26:43] Kara: No, my argument is based on the rise of microtransactions on big games i.e. League.
  75. [22:26:49] Lauren Timson: but the games free
  76. [22:26:50] Kara: Because whatever League has done worked.
  77. [22:27:02] Lauren Timson: they have to pay artists and shit to actually design
  78. [22:27:12] Kara: No of course it isn't, I'm sure the game itself will be fine I'm sure, it's the cancerous growth attached to it I'm worried about.
  79. [22:27:17] Kara: Possibly*
  80. [22:27:19] Kara: I should say.
  81. [22:27:23] Lauren Timson: it depends on the game though
  82. [22:27:35] Lauren Timson: because in japan the console market is nearly deafd
  83. [22:27:38] Lauren Timson: dead*
  84. [22:27:48] Lauren Timson: because of mobile gaming is becoming so popular there
  85. [22:30:09] Kara: I'm aware that League's free. Which is why I excuse it, naturally. The reason I wouldn't excuse Overwatch is because I will have paid 40 dollars to get in, only to then continue paying for purely cosmetic items.
  86. [22:30:14] Kara: For League I do it /because/ the game is free.
  87. [22:32:07] Lauren Timson: I agree with that
  88. [22:32:12] Lauren Timson: i do think the price is a bit weird
  89. [22:32:21] Lauren Timson: but my only argument for it is the failure of project titan
  90. [22:32:57] Lauren Timson: they lost $50m in cancelling it
  91. [22:33:14] Kara: C'est la vie.
  92. [22:34:06] Lauren Timson: so that's part of life trying to get that cash back
  93. [22:34:55] Kara: But that's budget they already willingly spent tho. I'm not paying for their mock up, that's their poor handling of money and whatnot. The artists and programmers etc etc likely all still got paid, that's got very little if not nothing to do with me as the consumer.
  94. [22:36:18] Lauren Timson: literally every company if they lose cash try to make it back
  95. [22:36:26] Lauren Timson: so every game since theyre owned has to make a profit
  96. [22:36:48] Kara: Like I'm coming solely off of me here. I highly doubt anyone's paycheck got bumped considering it's the amalgamation of Blizzard.
  97. [22:37:01] Lauren Timson: they were going to ditch the entirety of the titan team
  98. [22:37:05] Lauren Timson: so they could afford it
  99. [22:37:20] Lauren Timson: but the lead of titan came back with overwatch as a concept using things from titan the team liked
  100. [22:37:37] Lauren Timson: so they've spent even more money to float overwatch
  101. [22:38:22] Kara: same thing happens when you got downsize in the financial sector that isn't performing well, that's literally running a company that you're describing right now. I'm not entirely sure what your point is. If it's that they gotta get paid
  102. [22:38:23] Kara: well
  103. [22:38:24] Kara: yeah
  104. [22:38:25] Kara: it's a company
  105. [22:38:34] Lauren Timson: that's what I'm getting at tho
  106. [22:38:39] Lauren Timson: its that ultimately they got to make money
  107. [22:38:44] Kara: They'll do whatever the fuck they can to milk money out of you. That's capitalism.
  108. [22:39:22] Kara: I know, and I don't have to particularly stand for the way they go about it because I perceive it as a shitty business practice should they actually implement it which I refuse to support.
  109. [22:39:31] Kara: Which is my right as consumer because I'm not interested in the big ol' company
  110. [22:39:36] Kara: In the same vein that the company is interested in profits
  111. [22:39:40] Kara: I'm interested in me.
  112. [22:40:33] Lauren Timson: then follow that and just don't buy it?
  113. [22:40:36] Lauren Timson: like theres no argument
  114. [22:40:50] Lauren Timson: i get your oppinion
  115. [22:41:31] Lauren Timson: but like, the whole scenario is based off what you want to pay for then you cant complain cus it was ultimately your decision to use your money there
  116. [22:42:25] Kara: I am absolutely done with this conversation considering you have actually asked me to empathize with a massive corporation.
  117. [22:42:28] Kara: Good night Lauren.
  118. [22:44:32] Lauren Timson: who gives a shit if its a massive corporation, WWE and Greenpeace are fucking huge
  119. [22:44:40] Lauren Timson: they get a shit ton of money
  120. [22:44:50] Kara: Lauren, no.
  121. [22:44:55] Kara: I'm not willing to continue this conversation.
  122. [22:44:59] Kara: I'm asking you to please stop.
  123. [22:45:19] Lauren Timson: whatever, all i wanted to show you was this cool skins they put in the game cus i liked the art of the model etc
  124. [22:45:39] Lauren Timson: i just wanted you to look at them and go yeah they coo
  125. [22:45:57] Lauren Timson: i didn't want to go into a stupid debate where there aint even a argument to begin with
  126. [22:46:02] Lauren Timson: good night mate x
  127. [22:46:20] Kara: Good night, Lauren.
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