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I think the thing that I find the most
moving about the film is that in this

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world of animals were animals are so
different from one another as things are

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comments when they find that connection
where they find ok we're not so

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different for me you may look different
than me

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we may have been brought up differently
but in the end we all care about the

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same things and we we all deserve the
respect that we want from each other we

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all deserve to be happy in our lives we
deserve love you deserve a quality and

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that's why I think these movies could be
so powerful because they are modern

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labels were able to talk about things
are very very difficult and we're able

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to bring I think it's a conversation
things are awkward to talk about but

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that's that's that's what the film is
about

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Howard I'm the director of COPD and I've
been on this project for four and a half

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almost five years now we've got 500 to
550 people working on this film at any

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one time the people who are on this
morning the longest with me are rich

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more I'm directing a film with rich and
rich created record ralph is great

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amazing director Gary Bush my creative
partners or co-writer and co-director

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brings great sense of humor Negrete
screenwriting sensibility the film and

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then Jersey Trinidad and Jim Reardon our
heads of story and those guys work with

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us to craft the story and make sure that
were staying on track and finally Clark

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Spencer who is a longtime friend of mine
and my producer on several films and

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Clark is a great producer because there
can be chaos and health fire all around

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New York are canceled somehow make it
seem ok the world was it different

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animated feature is amazing

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all mammals city seemed like the perfect
it's the perfect cities like nothing

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could be better on our stories about to
these animals are rabbit and fox that

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come together across the animal divide
and have this amazing adventure

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throughout the city

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utopia when Byron and I shared with each
other our love of the type of Disney

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movie Disney animated film where the
animals and they're walking upright

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wearing clothes Byron has always loved
animal movies I think one of the

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earliest ones he talked about a lot as
robin hood is just so charming animals

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in the scales of them are all different
and there are wearing clothes and I'd

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love that kind of world and I thought
you know we have not made one of those

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kind of movies you know in a long time
so before you delve into the story

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headline is in the team's off to do
research in this

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we are in the animation research library
which has millions of pieces of artwork

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from all of our animated films all the
way back to Snow White and the Seven

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Dwarfs which was the first animated
feature that vaulted this is the core of

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the Disney legacy this is the source
from which everything else brings the

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source of inspiration for even
television animation and various other

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animation productions you could walk in
in any given evolved on any given day

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for any given project and open up a box
and be surprised so 11 are coming here

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Fox said that every day is like
Christmas has got a box they want to see

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so what you have here we go right

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amazing to see this in person because
i've seen this I grew up on this movie

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she told me i think is here in part
because of this film and it really felt

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like if we were gonna do this we have to
get the research right we have to make

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sure we know what we're talking about
just like these guys do you like they

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brought in real animals for Bambi to
study and since you know if you know

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this so then you can go to the next
level and really caricature it and bring

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it to life and make it something that's
beyond reality

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really believe that the best stories
come from real research and we've

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already been on a research trip to New
York and Las Vegas and Florida to animal

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kingdom but actually get to go to Africa
and see these animals that were

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portrayed in the movie in the wild

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we are in Kenya holds utopia leadership
team here to do research to make the

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movie better and more immersive and I
couldn't be more excited to be here

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information we did in the feelings that
we get news research research trip will

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be felt throughout the film
representative Department is looking for

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something different

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the color palette of the soil to the
grass to the trees to the phone

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looking at looking at how the light is
playing with with something this big

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scale the mountain is from the next
valley from the planes that are in front

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of us

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the cloud formations the cloud shadows
moving across the landscape there's so

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much to see here it's it's pretty
amazing

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looked at and you see you know a place
for all the animal all animals trails

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come together to cross the river and
then they all spread out again and

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there's this really rich red earth is
that's really beautiful so we're going

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to imitate kind of like that feeling of
the animal trails leading to a water

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they all gather

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hours so different from every animal
specially elephants here behind us like

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summer dark some really red summer grade
we talked a lot about the babies they're

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so many little children animals around
inside then it can really change the

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landscape of our movies thinking about
how many you baby animals to bring in

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there

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designed I don't think actually made the
most ships doing when you get back

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there's a lot of change we can do

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perfect at some point you there is no
transition where you went from trying to

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like I'm here to work and then I really
taking everything in and you're in a

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weird way by not looking for what the
work equivalents are and just sort of

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experiencing it I think for a lot of us
that's where you got the most

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interesting nuggets that you needed for
the movie

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you wonder why we do these readership so
why disney spent so much time in

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research but it's this stuff that you
can't really put your finger on like you

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would never know about any of this stuff
before you went but once you get there

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and you experience this stuff then it
kind of works its way into your system

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to bring it back with you and and then
people communicating with the show can

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then take their their work to the next
level and that's that's been amazing

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when I first came here a little over
three years ago at the time the movie

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was an all animal world in the first act
you're done with the animal world and

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then you went to this sort of fantasy
island where the bulk of the movie took

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place early on during a lot of notes
saying that first that city is so cool

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what if we make the whole movie with in
that city and so I was really really

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lucky and excited to come in right as
Bayern was reconsidering what animals

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City version of this movie can be right
now the film making is broken into two

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parts you know that overlap a little bit
there is development you know where

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that's kind of planning the story
writing the script you know beginning

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storyboarding and then there's
production you know and that's the

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actual kind of making the movie it's
interesting because everyone's excited

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about that idea of you don't know how
long it's gonna take to take that

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original idea and flush down into a full
story at the same time

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stories happening we have digital
development and visual development is a

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team of artists that are really trying
to look at what is this world gonna look

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like they have to come in and they build
those models for the buildings and put

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the characters in the Raiders committed
to give us the ability to actual

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characters in those buildings around to
create the shapes and then from Regina

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goes into luck and we actually have a
team of artists who prefer on the

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characters the clock on the characters
are put the look on the actual buildings

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and then from look at goes into class
simulations we have to have people

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thinking about housing

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move and then we actually start building
shots we have allowed to use placing a

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camera into the shot shootout and what's
that Khamis place we're going to

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animation animations for sexual mood
those characters around and then finally

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let him comes in and my team puts that
pass on that they're actually letting

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the characters in a way that makes that
shot come to life things are just

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cartoons to as the real films are real
stories and so we start to think about

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these characters like real human beings
have a soul and they have a life to them

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that really makes them make key
decisions that guides them through the

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story of my name is Cory Loftis in
Armley character design supervisor my

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favorite characters and utopia
definitely are two main characters neck

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and arms they're my favorites not only
just because they're fantastic

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characters but because they were the
most challenging and they need to go on

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through all of these different emotions
because we really want them to feel like

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real handles and nod animals that we
forced human characteristics to

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and then at some point the animators
come on and we work with the designer go

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back and forth what would work good
friend nation and modeling says what

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would be good for them and and we are
kind of work together to come up with

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this package which is this character
these were expressions that are

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character designer corologis did and
then I will try to match these as close

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as possible I would describe it as like
wish I actors but we actually get to you

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know sort of crashed the performance we
don't have to perform it live like an

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actor does in front of the camera or on
stage so we really get the time to kind

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of think about like what's going on
inside the characters minded and try to

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find the best way to convene I need your
audience to believe that this character

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is breathing breathing and if they're
just going through the motions if

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there's just emotion attached to a piece
of dialogue even even had even if it's

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somebody who doesn't know anything about
him usually they see it there's

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something not quite right and i think
that's the tricky part is literally have

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to trick the audience and a scene for
not seeing the animators here and

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mammals were divided into two groups
with sharp teeth and pray with the flat

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and why weren't we friends vinik as we
share clothes because predators in this

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world

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predator and prey have figured out a way
to live and coexist in the same city but

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we're going to find out is that
coexistence isn't as utopian as you

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might think there is truly a problem in
the city and that is the fundamental

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part of the story that gets to this idea
of bias about two groups and assume

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something about somebody else in the
beginning was this place that that the

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prey kind of the prey animals ran it and
predator characters were kind of a

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subservient to the pray without about
this movie is a movie about instances

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about predators overcoming their
instinct but very quickly we started

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realizing now this is about bias because
we said those things don't exist anymore

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for this group once we got talking about
bias then that really I think for us we

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will discuss this movie should really
say something it's a great difficult

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subject to talk about and and something
that having an all animal world is great

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for because it becomes her this 21st
century they can really talk about bias

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is difficult human subject and it was
really one of the things you drew me

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into one it produces movie was this idea
I'm talking about bias in a modern way

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because buy something that is universal
it exists everywhere around the world

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opportunity

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everything we do at animation is in
service to story every lighting decision

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you make every emotion that we play out
on screen is all in service

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telling a better story and that's what
makes stories so difficult that's why we

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spend years developing the script and
screening and restricting his films

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because if your story isn't working then
the most beautiful shots in the world's

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most beautiful animation will it save
that film

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of story manages a team of about 10
story artists and we work really closely

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with directors and the writer and we
basically take the movie from a script

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words on a page and we mail it out and
we turn those words individuals this to

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me is my acting I'm acting on paper by a
car in this hotel and then you start

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this traffic ticket i think thats a
version of its takes I don't know I hope

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it doesn't actually your storyboard
artist here it is you have to be

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comfortable with your work getting
thrown away all of us

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boorda storyboard in this movie have
done literally thousands of drawings it

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wound up in the garbage because these
ideas come in and go out of the film is

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very very quickly and the idea what that
is to be wrong as quickly as possible so

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we really try to you know it try out as
many ideas as we can and then when the

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right ideas really click in then you'll
see from screening screening will start

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to build the rest of them will start to
build around those key ideas does not be

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very many but just a few of the kind of
hold up the structure of the film where

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you can really like into like okay
that's your character that's your movie

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and then everything else build from
there we make movies like this we we

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screen them repeatedly as we're making
them not not like the general audience

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but 22 ourselves you know to the people
working at the studio to colleagues to

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the people up at Pixar the filmmakers
there and as a way of kind of taking

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yourself to make sure that we're making
progress

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you know with the story screen version
number five in the movie and that means

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basically we've already looked at four
times tomorrow is the first and the way

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it works for us as those first versions
are really testing out ideas and learn

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about the characters and so there's
pressure to make sure your story is

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appalling and your characters are
landing but the real pressure starts

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tomorrow because that's what we actually
start to put things into production

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which means you have to be struck
cementing those ideas in a way that

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they're not going to change because you
don't want to push something forward

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into the hands of the cinematographer
into the hands of the animators and tell

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you know for sure it's actually gonna be
in the movie only eight weeks have

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returned this movie around which is an
incredibly short period of time to do it

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and an immense amount of work each
screening becomes a little bit more

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nerve-wracking bit more pressure the
unless weeks to do it screening

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processes we will screen the rough
versions of these films are just done

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with storyboards and it feels like
you're watching the real film but you

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know we're just sitting here saying
thousands of images hand-drawn images go

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by that tell you how the story is
progressing and then after that

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screening anyone in the theater can send
us notes in terms of how they feel about

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the military but a smaller core group of
people about 40 people will come into

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this run and we will spend three hours
where people basically talk about what's

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working and not working

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tremendous strides in NY

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casino when we make a film the number
one thing that's important to me is the

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heart emotion within the movie and to
get that true emotion the audience needs

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to really be engaged in in the journey
of the main character try

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every time we screened the film every
three months or so we actually

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completely reinvented a lot of people
and around a lot of people really a lot

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of people going to look at my ideas and
they're going to say what's good and bad

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to listen and then I gotta go back and
get a rethink and I'm gonna throw out

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and so that's why it takes a certain
type of personality to really want to

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participate in this type of environment
in this very very collaborative where

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everybody gets staff

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collaborative place it's really
incredible to be here and we really rely

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on each other to push in these films to
make them better and better and if

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racism is right there in front of the
ideas from day to day when we're not

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doing our job

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the challenge was how can you then make
a light funny charming family film but

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still have this really deep subject
matter morning after Martin Luther King

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were killed

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I came into the room and said they had a
game last night by today to the things I

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think children have to be golden

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and telling them they continue to be
involved in finding out what happened I

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want them to know at least a little bit
about how it feels to be so we saw this

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documentary and where teacher had a
group of kids she was talking about bias

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blue eyed kids that are you going to
wear collars gonna put these little tiny

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little colors aren't you giving a bunch
of girls were just very quickly it was

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very clear wasn't there between these
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they took a test just in that small
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end of the day a small amount of time
the kids wearing the colours who were

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told they were lesser than even though
literature teacher just made it up in

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front of them and told them this is just
a game we're playing the kids who had to

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wear the colors were told they were less
than didn't do as well on those tests

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immediately significantly worse next day
the teacher said ok you know why I made

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a mistake it's actually the other way
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and the kids who have the colors of the
day before we're very very happy to have

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this off the kids went away to college
who had experienced the same thing today

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before and now they now didn't get to go
to the playground I didn't get the same

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snacks and they couldn't do the same
water breaks and this movie where where

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predators have been told yet whether
scholar but it's really for you guys and

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how that would make them feel was really
impactful to us into this documentary

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footage said ok we take these little
colors off and one of the kids in the

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documentary

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rich this caller often just returned to
break it has it all

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like it's very clear that something
you're breathing deeply affected in one

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day and you're going this is this is
just pretend these are little kids in

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this is just a pretend day of bias for
them how does that affect the entire

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world who's dealing with bias words
every day and a teacher can say okay the

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game's over

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there's a very fine line to walk and so
going through we want to make sure that

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those little things feel very much like
something that experience right now

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we've been working with this incredible
expert unbiased dr Shah keep an

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important partner to us talking to us
about bias and what it is and how it

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exists in today's world

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his role in creating culture is profound
culture teaches you who you are where

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your places in the world and a lot of it
is implicit so if I go to school and I

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see all the former presidents of the
school or principles of the school there

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are white and they're all male I'm
learning about power if you're going to

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create a society that's equitable you
can't do it without changing culture and

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so when we ship culture and children
conceived themselves inside of a story

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and that they can play all different
kinds of roles become that degree of

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flexibility is very important

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prejudices something of course that
everybody has prejudice come from it

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comes from

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the way that we're taught to be biased

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and those two elements are linked
together and also linked to the largest

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system that I think that's one of the
biggest things for us is it's it's not a

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specific group specific race it's not
it's not a gender it's none of those

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things it's simply it's two groups that
do not get along and one group that's

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feeling lesser than and sort of how big
of a problem is that a huge problem how

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do you overcome its really really
difficult and so for me thinking about

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what are we trying to say is it really
should feel universal

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anyone in thousands of years but just to
be exercised today we have the same

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comment

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are mammals can be together in the
beginning was this place that the

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predator characters had to wear these
callers that would give them a shock if

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they you know they had like bad thoughts
sir where they became too emotional and

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that's kind of what created the peace
between the predators and prey we kept

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working with it working with it in all
of us would look at it and go oh yeah

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this is really clever it's interesting
and I like that but but there was

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something I can't just knowing it all of
us have seemed like you know we're we're

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showing this beautiful world showing it
being kind of like unfair from the very

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beginning it was really kind of tricky
because we had to we wanted that

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wonderful in droves utopia wanted an
optimistic view 10 colors inner world

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but in a way thats yourself earlier in
story trust meetings and a lot of people

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you know you can tell the story without
the callers I think that callers should

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be mundane things up after every
screening it was really the first thing

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York everybody kept talking about and
then we would change it in rework it and

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stuff to soften it to make it and we
kept kept trying in there was some great

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moments with that there was a really
emotional moment with a young man home

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becomes of age their collar on and in
the little kids would look at its own

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gonna grow up but the parents know
there's a sadness to it

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of wind they have to put this on their
young child

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was always really emotional that scene
in what we're showing so we felt like we

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had something going on but it puts us in
a situation where of course the world is

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biased against animals like Nicki as
predators prey animals don't like

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predators that makes sense but it was
very obvious no big science seen

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anything nothing we showed it to them
and the notes that we got back was so

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profound because it was it was what I
think all of us were feeling deep inside

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but we just kept work trying to work
around it but they give us the cold hard

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facts and truth about what we're doing
and they said you know I admire what

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you're trying to do here

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you're trying to make us love this world
of animals and make it seem fun but from

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the get-go I don't like the idea of
colors and it's preventing me from

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enjoying the movie I want to love this
world

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because of the colors for the very
beginning I hate you should rethink

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things that make us of the world and
then potentially see it get broken we

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had two screenings after that and
getting rid of getting rid of this whole

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idea of shock collars on the predator
characters in on making everyone just

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you know in the city and making you feel
like a real city you know that we all

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agree that's great you know that the
fact that you could be more than a fox

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and we as a group story trust included
all accepted that this movie was going

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to have colors Pixar and they talked
about this idea they said what about

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using stereotypes instead but you can
still get the same thing is funny in my

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son nosed animal stereotypes and so what
I tell me a bedtime story at Fox Cities

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10 the box and just sort of weird way he
already has the thing that the NICU just

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going through my seven-year-old is
already thinking

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just a little hands I think we can push
to be a little more minutes it's not the

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bias is the stereotypes she wants to be
more than just a funny that's why she's

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striving to be something that is just
the bunnies just aren't meant to do that

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and something like like honey is
essentially the same text as I know I'm

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just trying to be real nick is is is
basically exactly what everybody thinks

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I am clipper ship the Fox

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when you do a change like that it
ripples through dozens even maybe more

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than like a hundred and seeing so it's a
huge impact but the thing is that if we

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know if we make that change then the
movie itself will be stronger it's it's

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not something you do lightly because it
means we have to throw out a lot of

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great work that's already been done
about the the benefit of it is that in

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the end of the movie will as a whole be
much much stronger in her character will

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be stronger for it for this particular
show we understand that there was a lot

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of animal characters and we wanted to
get a sense of what the first was gonna

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be like so we've done a lot of research
and understanding what what is for like

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how distinct accountable for his
character character it's a big challenge

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in the show where all the characters
weren't as animals and try to get the

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first to resemble what they look like in
real life animals that you get it to

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have the quality that we offer supposed
to have when light hits it when I passes

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through it we're getting into this kind
of scientific and then pull back from

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all of that and say how do we how do we
translate that into something that's

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artistic

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and something that we can tune as an
artist to make it work good what we did

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get into screenings one thing that
people realize was how amazing the

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animal world is that we're trying to
represent because we have everything

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from every member you can think of you
as a criminal offense to my so we have

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the scale that's this incredible scale
throughout the city where you have to

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figure out how these animals are going
to live together so we did a ton of

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research and really try to make it feel
like some place when you look at the

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screen that you feel like you can step
in to the screen and really Xperia go

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there

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the major challenge the show is creating
a world that is recognizable humans but

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animals animals look like animals
designed it basically does all these

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different habitats and some of them are
in the desert some of them are in the

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tundra downtown is where all the animals
meet so you have multiscale buildings

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moderates big tours and transportation
that can take different browsers but we

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want to give it an animal twists and so
there's there's a fine line you can

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wonder where it doesn't become
comfortable for the audience anymore and

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then the other thing that we thought a
lot about is how do animals like how

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does analysis across the street with a
mouse you know how whitewater the

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systems that you put together so that
all these animals can Mike especially

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through downtown walk through downtown
together our job is to create this

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universe that people don't question

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not seen this is different you can
literally running down the street and

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all of a sudden you're in the world for
wrote it so you went from this place

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that an elephant can walk into the front
door into a place where a three-inch

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animal walks into the front door and
everything has changed and who are you

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shooting for and who and who are they
and what prospective are you shooting

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from again increasing from the fox or
fishing for right now it's a very

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different experience and I as much as I
want as much as possible

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want you to believe that you're in there
in that place so the scale definitely

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going to be a challenge all the way
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of the animals but because of the
University ailing for the animals as

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well

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it's not just art for art's sake it's
trying to bring you an emotion is trying

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to tell you a story is trying to involve
you in these characters and these worlds

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in something that I think no one really
ever tried before which is trying to

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create this real metropolis that felt
populated and genuine and believable

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something you'd actually step into a
square really trying to make something

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lasting and trying to connect with the
Jeep parts of our souls that make us

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human beings

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there was one suit store for all males
with me and my boy have a plan we have a

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location and we have a dream all we need
is a loan to make it happen it's not due

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to its wild and sons told you we have
been telling stories through Knicks

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point of view for the longest time for
all six screenings and people believe

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that that's the way to do it this way we
should be doing it very interesting when

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you have that is a concept that
sometimes you continue to try and figure

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out how to make that work and that's
what we did screening after screening we

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would sit within the story trust and
talk about let's make it work for neck

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what do we need to do and in each of
those cases what we did was he kept

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giving Nick more and more backstory so
we could really empathize with him as a

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character and all that did was make the
movie less and less fun finding that the

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story computing darker and darker and
darker and people weren't connecting

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with the main characters as much as we
wanted to and so after while we thought

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he will we really need to try something
drastic to see if we can shift the movie

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to make it real and emotionally

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one which we've talked about a lot of
which is is Nick really the protagonist

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of the film is the right character to be
following and we've had this

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conversation many times where people say
I really understand haha pieces which I

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still think we have an issue with that
it is what it seems to change the most

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part occurred to us what if we try to
tell a story through hobson's eyes

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instead because one thing that I had
always been the case was that people

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always got very quickly so we broke it
down the movie down to the studs and

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when we really went back and movie is
this canopy hobson's too much

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push forward we then went to the version
or maybe two hops she has she's the main

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character and the first version without
her was she truly is not by she doesn't

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see it and come to see that bias exists
in the world but they didn't really feel

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like modern-day muscles know the bias
exists and they're sort of pushing into

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well maybe she is dealing with her own
issues people putting her in a box and

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then you bring in a little that
underneath said she has some issues of

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her own to work for that sort of feeling
really contemporary and sort of feeling

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like something that I think many people
can relate to find is a big mistake and

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without limit spent now many many weeks
figuring out how to get rid of the

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caller is how to make the city feel more
positive how to make hops the

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protagonist and that was all massive
ships are now we have this problem of

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time the crew has been waiting for us to
get these story issues worked out

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needs time to finish the film the
interesting thing is always at this

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moment in time as a producer you're
nervous because irrespective of making a

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big change in the story at this moment
in time you always have this pressure

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trying to make sure it's all going to
get figured out at the right moment in

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time and you can't make that happen you
can't say that people be creative today

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and solve this problem has to happen in
an organic way we also have to shepherd

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it in a way that makes it happen there's
kind of that balance between those two

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ideas so I always look at it and feel
like this is the part of the production

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has the most stress points because you
now put stuff into production and you

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have to keep feeding the team more work
and more work that I think in

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transplanting you or say anything about
how we think you said plenty we've been

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really focusing on an economic
relationship over the last couple months

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is their break-up scene

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well there is a point in the movie where
are two main characters and their kin

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Hobbs an argument she kinda becomes
aware through Nick that the core of who

434
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she is a bit of her that believes that
predators like Nick are are dangerous

435
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and it really hurts Nick that animals
mammalogy he's come to trust over the

436
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last couple days it's gotten very close
to think that he could possibly be a

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dangerous bad mammal this assumption she
makes sports the city destroyed our

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relationship with Nick it also makes her
look at herself differently we have

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worked the scene over and over again and
we looked at a version of it here in the

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building

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entity that instead and it didn't work

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timing of the plot is forcing things in
this way to get out to sea

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we actually wrote the scene as a group
we got everyone together so that

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everyone is on the same page that
everyone understands exactly what the

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emotional beats have to be the issue
with this breakup scene is that this is

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the critical moment in the hearts
relationship it's also the moment that

447
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the film as as a piece to communicate
with your audiences speak the most

448
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clearly in since the movie is about bias
that's where we have to be the most

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surgical and precise about what we're
saying and the big thing that which was

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so important

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the character should have to make a
choice and then she gets up on stage and

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she has to make a choice looking into I
do it nigga said to me we're doing do

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what I think is in my heart right you
got everyone together so that everyone

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is on the same page that everyone
understands exactly what the emotional

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beings have to be and then from that
point once we have that landed will get

456
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the performance from Jennifer Jason
these predators may be reverting back to

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their primitive savage wayz are you
serious I just stated the facts of the

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00:39:52,139 --> 00:39:57,808
case I mean it's not like a bunny could
go savage know but a fox could write

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next stop it you know them well I mean
you're not that kind of predator and

460
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once we get that truly emotional
performance it feels great everyone go

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through editorial and then we'll carry
it forward into

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the animators and then their job will be
to really use every thing that they

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possibly have in their toolbox to make
that scene feel real and genuine and

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deep because as fun as the movie ads and
is much of a random visit is it has this

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very very deep or about something is
very serious and very insidious and

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indeed very very subtle like them now
after struggling with this breakup scene

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from months we screened it today this
new version of it for John last year in

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the story trust and everyone body into
this is the right person this is the

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final piece of the puzzle that makes
this whole story complete and now we

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have to do is just take this movie to
the finish line

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actually I grew up fairly privileged and
from a survey middle class white family

472
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and you know I grew up in the outskirts
of philadelphia and stuff and you know

473
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my dad was sort of middle income and we
know I never really wanted for anything

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in my life you know I'm I'm game and I'm
married to my husband for 28 years and

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so I you know the the film isn't
necessarily about that but i think is I

476
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think there's something about the fact
that everybody wants to feel accepted

477
00:41:32,849 --> 00:41:38,400
everyone wants to feel supported for me
personally you certainly look at the

478
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world through a different lens after
telling a story like this I was think of

479
00:41:42,550 --> 00:41:46,280
myself as a pretty open minded person
even with that thinking about this story

480
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and look at your everyday life and what
can I do better how can i maybe I'm

481
00:41:51,400 --> 00:41:54,490
looking at things the wrong way there
was a really important

482
00:41:55,900 --> 00:42:01,278
thinking about how to have this
conversation is my kids that I'm already

483
00:42:01,278 --> 00:42:05,179
starting to have now before the movies
come out but I think the process of even

484
00:42:05,179 --> 00:42:09,578
change how I talk to them about things
and how I want them to hopefully

485
00:42:09,579 --> 00:42:17,048
perceive the world differently so that's
been pretty huge family look at my

486
00:42:17,048 --> 00:42:25,099
little boy very I first and foremost
want to instill that he should be proud

487
00:42:25,099 --> 00:42:28,160
of who is a matter what you know

488
00:42:29,889 --> 00:42:42,489
world not be quite so much kinda inner
strength and inner confidence

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00:42:43,289 --> 00:42:51,940
and and belief do anything this what I
want until I hope this movie is part of

490
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that I'd rather be working on something
with a message with a good message

491
00:42:57,349 --> 00:43:03,420
strong message that I can stand behind
them put mining you know I'd be proud to

492
00:43:03,420 --> 00:43:08,889
put my name in the credits of that kind
of this year is gone

493
00:43:08,889 --> 00:43:18,940
incredibly fast the amount of changes
we've made to the movie and the amount

494
00:43:18,940 --> 00:43:27,570
of production compressed production
schedule that has happened over the last

495
00:43:27,570 --> 00:43:33,539
year is pretty unbelievable we we were
developing and producing the movie at

496
00:43:33,539 --> 00:43:37,369
the same time so it's been a wild ride

497
00:43:38,329 --> 00:43:42,460
storytelling is really hard it's it's a
very difficult thing to do it takes a

498
00:43:42,460 --> 00:43:48,079
lot of pieces exactly correctly for you
to take any audience on any journey and

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00:43:48,079 --> 00:43:53,099
help them buy into it and this more than
any other has been a very difficult

500
00:43:53,099 --> 00:43:58,960
story to tell down dealing with this
important topic and we needed to be told

501
00:43:58,960 --> 00:44:02,480
in a very elegant lighting and need to
be something that you sort of evolved

502
00:44:02,480 --> 00:44:07,090
into there's a responsibility they don't
have to all be enormous eighty years but

503
00:44:07,090 --> 00:44:12,600
there should be something very positive
optimistic very hopeful for story time

504
00:44:12,599 --> 00:44:19,250
that allows kids teenagers adults to
relate to that story in a way that say

505
00:44:19,250 --> 00:44:24,400
that that makes them think about
something and watch this team over the

506
00:44:24,400 --> 00:44:29,150
last six months really bring this movie
to its conclusion it's been a phenomenal

507
00:44:29,150 --> 00:44:34,960
thing to actually experience in five
hundred and fifty people and

508
00:44:37,929 --> 00:44:42,029
the time under 250 people who put a lot
of love and whether doing in the next

509
00:44:42,030 --> 00:44:47,040
big sacrifices and just want to know how
much you care and how much you

510
00:44:47,039 --> 00:44:49,509
appreciate that they put into everyday