Reasoning for ModJam voting

<VikeStep> Can someone explain the reasoning behind the introduction of the last 2 voting rules here: http://mcp.ocean-labs.de/modjam/voting.php
<VikeStep> I just dont see why it was a problem to leave it like it was before
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<AbrarSyed> VikeStep, right so.. think about it this way.
<AbrarSyed> you got a modjam of 2 teams
<AbrarSyed> 1 team has 4 people, the other has 2
<AbrarSyed> you cannot vote for your own mod.
<AbrarSyed> who wins?
<VikeStep> The team
<AbrarSyed> which one?
<AbrarSyed> team 1? or team 2?
<VikeStep> I am not sure I catch your drift, but there arent 2 teams
<AbrarSyed> team 1 has 4 people    team 2 has 2 people
<VikeStep> there are 90 (and I know not all will finish... but it still isnt 2)
<AbrarSyed> then your not getting it... who wins in such a competition?
<npe|work> team 2!
<npe|work> cookie for me?
<VikeStep> yes, I understand that part...
<VikeStep> but, on a large scale is that really still an issue?
<AbrarSyed> right.then you understand that as a team member.. and as a larger team.. you dont have the same chance as a solo or smaller team
<AbrarSyed> hence.. making a team worth 1 fixes the issue./
<VikeStep> ok then.. I'll take that I guess
<npe|work> i can understand VikeStep's point though. at the current number of participants, that rule doesn't seem relevant.
<npe|work> at this state its more like restricting individual opinions to be less worthy than others
<VikeStep> ^
<AbrarSyed> at the risk of lessening your own chances to win.
<VikeStep> "risk" If the mod was good enough to win it wouldn't need the extra 3 points you gave because you had a bigger team
<npe|work> by an negligible amount.
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<AbrarSyed> well.. apperantly people complained about it last modjam, and didnt vote because of it
<AbrarSyed> apperantly they had very few people voting
<npe|work> good point, i remember that
<VikeStep> Hmm, well then why not enforce a team vote? Make it so that you can only have one vote per team instead of multiple votes in the one team?
<npe|work> ^
<VikeStep> by that I mean, no fractions and the like
<VikeStep> I'm sure the teams of 3 can decide among themselves who they want to vote
<npe|work> if you have each vote be worth 1/teamsize, its restricting the individuals anyway
<AbrarSyed> now see.. that I think is worse than making your opinion worth tless than 1
<AbrarSyed> then you have confom to the team leader or whatever.. rather than choosing whoever you want
<VikeStep> How many people complained about this issue last year though, and would this rule change their position at all?
<VikeStep> I understand there is a disadvantage... but from my eyes that disadvantage is barely noticeable at the larger number of contestants
<VikeStep> and there are only like 5 or so places from the vote tally that count if the first few people decide to pass on their award
<AbrarSyed> thats assuming everyone votes..
<AbrarSyed> which less than likely
<VikeStep> which raises the other point, the way you are encouraging people to vote by getting points from it also has drawbacks
<VikeStep> people will vote just so they can get points.
<VikeStep> I can almost guarantee that whatever mod is placed at the top of the list (default option) will have a better advantage over the others
<npe|work> and will probably vote without having tested the mods themselves
<npe|work> you could randomize the list then
<npe|work> or always put the one with currently the least votes on top
<VikeStep> I myself can't think of an alternative for that. A better way would be to possibly make a pack with all the mods and send it to all the mod devs
<VikeStep> so they dont have to manually install all 100 of them
<VikeStep> and then there is a better chance they will vote as they actually have an opinion for most of them
<AbrarSyed> there is only so much we can do..
<AbrarSyed> but if everyone votes.. everything will be equalized
<AbrarSyed> even the extra points
<VikeStep> yeah, i understand and I understand the need for the extra points
<AbrarSyed> and even the random votes will be outweighed by elgit people.
<AbrarSyed> because.. ya know.. do unto others as you wish for yourself
<VikeStep> by that standard everyone would vote
<VikeStep> because you know they want people to vote for them
<VikeStep> therefore do unto that for others
<AbrarSyed> I disagree
<AbrarSyed> last time I didnt vote because of do unto others
<AbrarSyed> I didnt think id be able to do justice to everyones mds.. because I didnt have time to play all 70 of them..
<AbrarSyed> so I didnt vote.
<AbrarSyed> these extra 10 points would motivate me to put in that little bit of extra effort in order to win
<AbrarSyed> sure its not failsafe.. but what is?
<VikeStep> Hmm.. I see, well good luck with ModJam, I now realise that even though I have a complaint, there is no real alternative. Thanks for your time
<AbrarSyed> ^^ yeah
<AbrarSyed> exactly what I thaught when they explained it to me :)
<VikeStep> You will probably run into more people complaining like me so why doesn't someone elaborate on this reasoning a bit more