Discussion between Bud0011, Zyeriis, Chocolancer and Xizor

[21:12]  * bud0011 start logging
[21:13] <Chocolancer> i'm not exactly a big part of the FFWiki discussion group, you see...
[21:13] <Chocolancer> more or less a nobody, even though i was there for 2 years
[21:14] <Chocolancer> but i'll see how the whole plot unfolds...if ever something happens
[21:14] <bud0011> SCM wants KH to be the first wiki to to be independent as a proof of concept
[21:14] <bud0011> if they get out the door, it might help convince FF to come along
[21:14] <Chocolancer> hopefully
[21:14] <bud0011> if they both go, that is when i think it would be best to lunch SEIWA
[21:14] <ZyeriislGoldeney> i want to do so as well
[21:15] <ZyeriislGoldeney> 2 wikis doing so would boost such things
[21:15] <bud0011> indeed
[21:15] <ZyeriislGoldeney> boost the effect*
[21:15] <Chocolancer> FFWiki would definitely be a significant part of SEIWA
[21:15] <Chocolancer> without them, the entire thing wouldn't go as planned
[21:15] <bud0011> this is true
[21:16] <ZyeriislGoldeney> soon as im off Wikia, I can get back to finishing mine
[21:16] <ZyeriislGoldeney> mine will be quite large
[21:16] <ZyeriislGoldeney> (and already somewhat is)
[21:16] <ZyeriislGoldeney> 700+ content pages, 4000+ total pages
[21:16]  * bud0011 nods
[21:17] <ZyeriislGoldeney> i should have well over 3-4k content pages by now but...
[21:17] <ZyeriislGoldeney> oasis kinda ruined that
[21:17] == DTN|AWAY has changed nick to DTN
[21:17] <Chocolancer> keep working at it, i suppose
[21:18] <bud0011> hey DTN
[21:18] <ZyeriislGoldeney> i cant work with oasis, it literally ruined everything
[21:18] <DTN> Oh, wow. Conversation. What did I miss.
[21:18] <bud0011> read above ^
[21:18] <Chocolancer> atm, FFWiki is trying to fix the oasis issues little by little http://finalfantasy.wikia.com/index.php?title=Forum:Oasis_skin_-_problems_and_solutions&t=20101107154008
[21:18] <ZyeriislGoldeney> not a lot
[21:19] <DTN> I believe that FFWiki and KHWiki are both planning to join SEIWA.
[21:19] <ZyeriislGoldeney> what i mean is, it would be impossible for me to work around oasis
[21:19] <DTN> I've spoken to some FFWiki admins and mods, and have received support.
[21:19] <bud0011> cool
[21:19] <DTN> Oasis will not be on SEIWA.
[21:19] <ZyeriislGoldeney> the forced width is far too small
[21:19] <ZyeriislGoldeney> i may as well start from scratch
[21:19] <Chocolancer> @Zyeriis have you tried using the hiddenStructure glitch? or did they fix that?
[21:19] <ZyeriislGoldeney> i know
[21:20] <bud0011> @DTN have you read all the conversations up to now?
[21:20] <Chocolancer> @DTN: can you list who's on for the deal?
[21:20] <ZyeriislGoldeney> i just want to get off Wikia
[21:20] <ZyeriislGoldeney> asap
[21:20] <ZyeriislGoldeney> i dont mind waiting for the SEIWA to form
[21:20] <DTN> Fae loved the idea, Azul too.
[21:20] <ZyeriislGoldeney> i just need to get out of Wikia
[21:21] <Chocolancer> we're on it...let's just wait and see
[21:21] <bud0011> @ZyeriislGoldeney: we know
[21:21] <Chocolancer> Yuan?
[21:21] <ZyeriislGoldeney> u can just call me zye or zyeriis
[21:21] <bud0011> but then i can't ping you :D
[21:21] <ZyeriislGoldeney> dont need to ping me right now
[21:22] <bud0011> ow...your no fun
[21:22] <ZyeriislGoldeney> this actually has overshadowed that im playing goldeneye >_>
[21:22] <ZyeriislGoldeney> a tough thing to do
[21:22] <Chocolancer> @DTN heck, what about CSM and Diablo? i wonder if they're on to discuss about this entire thing...?
[21:22] == ZyeriislGoldeney has changed nick to Zyeriis
[21:22] <bud0011> Diablo's SE?
[21:23] <Chocolancer> diablo as in "there's an admin in the FFWiki called Diablocon"
[21:23] <Zyeriis> there now you can ping me >_>
[21:23] <bud0011> yea!
[21:23] <bud0011> ok
[21:24] <Chocolancer> CSM is also a beureaucrat, but he's been inactive for some time now
[21:24] <bud0011> @DTN have you heard SCM's plan?
[21:24] <bud0011> * propsed plan, that is?
[21:25] <DTN> No
[21:25] <bud0011> would you like to?
[21:26] == DTN has changed nick to DTN|AWAY
[21:26] <bud0011> ok, nvm
[21:27] <Zyeriis> lol
[21:28] <bud0011> anyway, have you guys seen my talk box?
[21:29] <Zyeriis> ?
[21:29] <bud0011> talk bubbles?
[21:30] <bud0011> anyway, i got one this morning
[21:30] <Chocolancer> that's great
[21:30] <bud0011> thank you.
[21:30] <Chocolancer> i stopped using mine after a while though...just stuck to simple text and sig
[21:33] <bud0011> so, did you guys see who the new member of NIWA was today?
[21:35] <Zyeriis> no
[21:35] <Zyeriis> was is the dk wiki?
[21:35] <bud0011> indeed
[21:35] <Zyeriis> thought as much (obviously)
[21:37] <Chocolancer> congrats to them =)
[21:38] <bud0011> indeed
[21:40] <bud0011> hey, are you guys going anywhere?
[21:40] <Zyeriis> eh no, just playin a game
[21:40] <Zyeriis> wondering why i can still taste that sushi
[21:40] <Zyeriis> despite that being the first thing i ate...not the last
[21:41] <Zyeriis> you know, the usual
[21:41] <bud0011> sushi is a sting taste...?
[21:41] <Zyeriis> ?
[21:41] <bud0011> * strong
[21:41] <Zyeriis> maybe it was from the last one, when i overdid it on the wasabi and almost died ^^
[21:42] <bud0011> possibly
[21:42] <Zyeriis> i actually shed a tear D:
[21:42] <bud0011> :'(
[21:42] <Zyeriis> i didnt know my body was even capable of that anymore...
[21:42] <Zyeriis> havent teared in years >_>
[21:43] <Chocolancer> lol...i hate wasabi
[21:43] <Zyeriis> needless to say, i won't be having sinus problems again for quite some time
[21:43] <Chocolancer> @bud gonna be phasing in and out, since it's hard to concentrate on stuff i need to do
[21:43] <bud0011> not a problem
[21:44] <bud0011> just check back once and a while
[21:44] == Xizor [a9e704fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.169.231.4.253] has joined #SEIWA
[21:44] <Xizor> oh bonjour!
[21:45] <Zyeriis> hi
[21:45] <bud0011> Bonjour!
[21:46] <bud0011> DTN (the started of this idea) is away,
[21:46] <bud0011> * starter
[21:46] <Xizor> Ah
[21:46] <Xizor> Well who is severyone else? I remember Zyeriis
[21:48] <Zyeriis> choco is from FFWiki i think
[21:48] <Xizor> Cool cool
[21:48] <Zyeriis> DTN is DoorToNothing i believe
[21:48] <Xizor> You're from KH Wiki right?
[21:48] <Zyeriis> me?
[21:48] <Xizor> Yuss
[21:48] <Zyeriis> no, im from the FFXIV Wiki
[21:48] <Xizor> Oh
[21:48] <Xizor> Maybe I'm confusing you with someone else from the other day? Or I'm crazy.
[21:48] <Xizor> Most likely the latter.
[21:48] <bud0011> :P
[21:49]  * Zyeriis shrugs.
[21:50] <bud0011> to catch up to speed, this is what i think will be going on. (correct me if i am wrong)
[21:50] <bud0011> KH is revoting to go indy or to Wikkii (pending admin approval)
[21:50] <bud0011> that's #1
[21:51] <bud0011> #2: if in #1 goes indy, then FF will see if there users and contributors are up for it.
[21:52] <Zyeriis> Ammendment: FFXIV Wiki wants to do this as well (go indy) to support the SEIWA idea (and to leave Wikia in general)
[21:52] <bud0011> #3: If both #1 and #2 succeed, then SEIWA will be launched. The_Inexistiend hopes to use the Square Wikia as a hub once it goes indy. I recommended to them they get forums
[21:53] <bud0011> #4 they start building an infastructure and one by one wikia
[21:53] <bud0011> ''s are brought to an independent server and asked on the SEIWA forums for help
[21:53] <Chocolancer> if FFWiki goes, i hope Sardapedia also does
[21:54] <bud0011> indeed do i hope as well
[21:54] <bud0011> #5) once the former Wikia is ready, it is brought in as a member
[21:55] <bud0011> #6) #4 and #5 are repeated for each SE-related wiki on Wikia or started up by it's members
[21:55] <Xizor> Cool!
[21:56] <Zyeriis> well the one thing I want to know is if FFXIV and KHWiki can share a hosting option in order to show that the SEIWA idea will work
[21:56] <bud0011> you don't need to share hosting to be part of the same IWA
[21:56] <bud0011> however, it is helpful if you plan to share users
[21:57] <Zyeriis> thats part of why I want this preliminary launch to be a joint operation, i know you don't have to share hosting
[21:57] <Zyeriis> but I want users to be static across the SEIWA
[21:57] <Zyeriis> it'll be another reason to switch/support the idea
[21:57] <bud0011> that would be cool
[21:58] <bud0011> it's be like Bulbagarden (the pokemon network that hosts bulbapedia) and NIWA combined
[21:58] <Zyeriis> it would be kind of irritating to have your name taken on another wiki, of the same organization basically
[21:58] <bud0011> true...
[21:59] <Zyeriis> (that plus the benefits of actually intertwining communities to a degree)
[21:59] <bud0011> i have the same account name on 6 of the 13 niwa wikis
[21:59] <bud0011> which is 6 sepreate hostings
[21:59] <Chocolancer> i see...
[21:59] <Zyeriis> thats not half ^^;
[21:59] <Zyeriis> not even half*
[22:00] <bud0011> well, it grows faster than i create accounts at
[22:00] <Chocolancer> so you can't use the same username across the entire wikibase?
[22:00] <Zyeriis> yeah thats another factor
[22:00] <bud0011> no. they don't share accounts
[22:00] <Zyeriis> you will also only need to create an account, once
[22:00] <bud0011> 13 wikis, i can have 13 user names
[22:00] <Zyeriis> this may be pushing it but
[22:01] <Zyeriis> as an afterthought on this
[22:01] <bud0011> yes?
[22:01] <Zyeriis> perhaps there would be a way for edit count to be static across all of the wikis?
[22:01] <Zyeriis> if we all used the same hosting
[22:01] <bud0011> eh....
[22:01] <bud0011> that would be difficult
[22:01] <Zyeriis> sounds simpler than it probably is
[22:01] <Zyeriis> i know lol
[22:01] <Zyeriis> hence why its an afterthought
[22:02] <bud0011> the software would have to work hard at managing all the edit counts accorss many wiki's
[22:02] <bud0011> and then you would need to intergrate each new wiki into it
[22:02] <Zyeriis> doesnt need to be in there, especially not from the get-go
[22:03] <Zyeriis> just something to think about
[22:03] <bud0011> indeed, it is
[22:03] <Zyeriis> btw, does anyone know how communications with the other SE wikis has been going?
[22:03] <bud0011> i don't
[22:03] <bud0011> i hear most of them are dead....
[22:03] <Zyeriis> or has that not even started?
[22:04] <Zyeriis> i doubt deus ex, star ocean, etc. are dead
[22:05] <bud0011> which is why #4 in the plan i posted is: we go out once a month (let's say) grab a wiki, get it independent, put it on the forums and try and attract contribtors
[22:05] <bud0011> the next month, we do another wiki
[22:06] <Zyeriis> i just editted the canidates list (add 2 links to respective wikis mine and the ffxi wiki)
[22:06] <Zyeriis> added*
[22:06] <bud0011> cool
[22:06] <Zyeriis> if you could get ffxiclopedia (ffxi wiki) on board
[22:07] <Zyeriis> you would have more than enough backbone
[22:07] <bud0011> cool
[22:07] <Chocolancer> @Zyeriis star ocean isn't dead
[22:07] <Zyeriis> though im unsure whether they would agree to coexist with mine
[22:07] <Zyeriis> because they made an independent ffxiv wiki of their own as a follow up
[22:07] <Zyeriis> called eorzeapedia
[22:07] <Chocolancer> and their articles actually have some degree of quality
[22:07] <bud0011> "We are all equal in the eyes of Square Enix"
[22:08] <Zyeriis> well i shouldve said i know star ocean wiki isnt dead
[22:08] <Zyeriis> not that i doubt that its dead*
[22:08] <bud0011> is the FFXI wiki independent?
[22:08] <Zyeriis> ffxiclopedia has like 35k+ pages
[22:09] <Xizor> I'm sorry guys I gotta head out
[22:09] <Xizor> ttyl
[22:09] <bud0011> later
[22:09] <Xizor> feel free to email me or hit me up on Skype
[22:09] <Xizor> see ya!
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[22:09] <Zyeriis> bye
[22:09] <bud0011> thanks for stopping by
[22:09] <Zyeriis> no
[22:09] <Zyeriis> they're using oasis
[22:09] <Zyeriis> they just have their own domain
[22:09] <bud0011> that stinks
[22:09] <Zyeriis> since they're so large
[22:10] <Chocolancer> no way...though did they fix the issues that come up with oasis?
[22:10] <Zyeriis> they're still pretty angry about it
[22:10] <Zyeriis> i really don't know how they're functioning around oasis
[22:10] <Zyeriis> i quit ffxi a few months ago
[22:10] <Zyeriis> so i dont visit there anymore
[22:11] <Zyeriis> just so you know: ffxi players are all about the community
[22:11] <Zyeriis> they will most likely love the SEIWA idea
[22:12] <bud0011> cool.
[22:12] <bud0011> they can help build the community internally
[22:13] <Zyeriis> but again I am unsure how well my wiki will mix/coexist with theirs
[22:13] <Zyeriis> as the admins there also run a competing ffxiv wiki
[22:13] <Zyeriis> (some of them)
[22:14] <bud0011> there are two FFXIV wikis?
[22:14] <Zyeriis> theres like 5 lol
[22:14] <Zyeriis> ffxivcore, ffxiv zam, eorzeapedia....mine...
[22:15] <Zyeriis> ffxivcore is hosted by curse
[22:15] <Zyeriis> ffxiv zam...is zam...
[22:15] <Zyeriis> eorzeapedia is independent (run by ffxiclopedia admins and admins from other ffxi fan sites)
[22:19] <Zyeriis> so yeah
[22:19] <bud0011> anyway. is there anything else you guys would like to talk about?
[22:19] <Zyeriis> theres a lot of ffxiv fan sites, not including the wikis
[22:20] <Zyeriis> um...
[22:20] <bud0011> if not, i will stop logging and pastebin this
[22:20] <Zyeriis> not without more people, no, not really
[22:21] <bud0011> ok.
[22:21] <bud0011> I am going to make a new section with my 6 step plan, see what other people think.
[22:22]  * bud0011 stops logging