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  4. Speech delivered by Alan Shatter TD, Minister for Justice, Equality and
  5. Defence in Dail Eireann during Private Members Time on Tuesday, 27th
  6. November 2012.
  7.  
  8. I’d like to thank Deputy Clare Daly for the work undertaken by her in the
  9.  
  10. preparation and publication of her Private Members Bill which is before the
  11.  
  12. House this evening. Tonight’s debate on this Bill coincides with the full
  13.  
  14. publication today of the Report of the Expert Group on the judgement of the
  15.  
  16. European Court of Human rights in the case of A, B and C versus Ireland.
  17.  
  18. It is unfortunate that we are tonight debating the provisions of this Bill
  19.  
  20. before Members of the House have had an opportunity to reflect on the
  21.  
  22. Report of the Expert Group and before some Members have had an opportunity
  23.  
  24. to read the full Report.
  25.  
  26.  
  27.  
  28. The establishment of the Expert Group and publication of its Report fulfils
  29.  
  30. an important commitment in the Programme for Government. For too long,
  31.  
  32. successive governments have failed to properly address this issue. This
  33.  
  34. failure over a period of thirty years, since the 1983 Referendum, has
  35.  
  36. resulted in a series of difficult court cases before our domestic courts
  37.  
  38. and before the European Court of Justice and the European Court of Human
  39.  
  40. Rights. It is the judgement of the latter court which held this State to
  41.  
  42. be in violation of the Convention on Human Rights which starkly details
  43.  
  44. both our obligations and our failures as a State.
  45.  
  46.  
  47.  
  48. I believe it is important that we place where we presently are in context;
  49.  
  50. then detail what must be done having regard to the conclusions contained in
  51.  
  52. the Expert Group’s Report and I will then finally address Deputy Daly’s
  53.  
  54. Bill.
  55.  
  56.  
  57.  
  58. Our laws in this area start with Section 58 of the Offences Against the
  59.  
  60. Person Act 1861 which criminalises a woman or “whosoever” i.e. any other
  61.  
  62. person, who unlawfully administers any poison or noxious thing or
  63.  
  64. unlawfully uses any instrument or other means to procure a miscarriage.
  65.  
  66.  
  67.  
  68. The issue is constitutionally addressed in the Eight Amendment to the
  69.  
  70. Constitution adopted by the people in a referendum held in 1983. This
  71.  
  72. Article states:
  73.  
  74.  
  75.  
  76. “The State acknowledges the right to life of the unborn and, with due
  77.  
  78. regard to the equal right to life of the mother, guarantees in its laws to
  79.  
  80. respect, and as far as practicable, by its laws to defend and vindicate
  81.  
  82. that right.”
  83.  
  84.  
  85.  
  86. In the X case, the Supreme Court prescribed that under this constitutional
  87.  
  88. provision “where is it is established on the balance of probabilities that
  89.  
  90. there is a real and substantial risk to the life, as distinct from the
  91.  
  92. health, of the mother and that such risk could only be averted by the
  93.  
  94. termination of her pregnancy, such termination is lawful.”
  95.  
  96.  
  97.  
  98. The case involved a 14 year old girl who became pregnant as a result of
  99.  
  100. rape and was suicidal. The Court deemed the threat of suicide a real and
  101.  
  102. substantial risk justifying a termination of her pregnancy.
  103.  
  104.  
  105.  
  106. In referendums held in 1992 and 2002 propositions were put to the people to
  107.  
  108. exclude a threat of suicide as grounding a “real and substantial” threat to
  109.  
  110. the life of a mother permitting a termination. It is right that we recall
  111.  
  112. that both propositions were rejected.
  113.  
  114.  
  115.  
  116. No action was taken at any stage by this House to prescribe the procedure
  117.  
  118. applicable for a determination as to whether the continuation of a
  119.  
  120. pregnancy posed a real and substantial risk to the life of a mother nor was
  121.  
  122. any legislation enacted to amend the 1861 Act to ensure its compatibility
  123.  
  124. with Article 40.3.3 of the Constitution as interpreted by the X case, nor
  125.  
  126. to update its content to take account of modern medical techniques and
  127.  
  128. pharmaceutical advances.
  129.  
  130.  
  131.  
  132. The truth is we have had, for three decades, a deeply dysfunctional and
  133.  
  134. obtuse legal architecture badly in need of reform. This is well
  135.  
  136. articulated in the judgement of the Court of Human Rights in the C case.
  137.  
  138. The applicant, C, had been treated for cancer for three years. She became
  139.  
  140. unintentionally pregnant when in remission. She went for a series of
  141.  
  142. follow up tests related to her illness which were contraindicated during
  143.  
  144. early pregnancy. She could not obtain clear medical advice as to the
  145.  
  146. effect of the pregnancy on her health/life or as to the effect of the
  147.  
  148. medical treatment on the foetus. She feared the possibility that the
  149.  
  150. pregnancy might lead to a recurrence of the cancer and travelled to the UK
  151.  
  152. for an abortion.
  153.  
  154.  
  155.  
  156. In its judgement, the Court held that there had been a violation of Article
  157.  
  158. 8 of the European Convention in respect of C. Referring to Article 40.3.3
  159.  
  160. the Court stated
  161.  
  162. “…[w]hile a constitutional provision of this scope is not unusual, no
  163.  
  164. criteria or procedures have been subsequently laid down in Irish law,
  165.  
  166. whether in legislation, case law or otherwise, by which that risk is to be
  167.  
  168. measured or determined, leading to uncertainty as to its precise
  169.  
  170. application. Indeed, while this constitutional provision (as interpreted
  171.  
  172. by the Supreme Court in the X case) qualified Sections 58 and 59 of the
  173.  
  174. earlier 1861 Act…. those sections have never been amended so that, on their
  175.  
  176. face, they remain in force with their absolute prohibition on abortion and
  177.  
  178. associated criminal offences thereby contributing to the lack of certainty
  179.  
  180. for a woman seeking a lawful abortion in Ireland.”
  181.  
  182.  
  183.  
  184. The Court continued:
  185.  
  186. “Against this background of substantial uncertainty, the Court considers it
  187.  
  188. evident that the criminal provisions of the 1861 Act would constitute a
  189.  
  190. significant chilling factor for both women and doctors in the medial
  191.  
  192. consultation process, regardless of whether or not prosecutions have in
  193.  
  194. fact been pursued under that Act. Both the third applicant [i.e. ‘C’] and
  195.  
  196. any doctor ran a risk of serious criminal conviction and imprisonment in
  197.  
  198. the event that a decision taken in a medical consultation, that the woman
  199.  
  200. was entitled to an abortion in Ireland given the risk to her life, was
  201.  
  202. later found not to accord with Article 40.3.3 of the Constitution.”
  203.  
  204.  
  205.  
  206.  
  207.  
  208.  
  209.  
  210. The Court found that the lack of an effective procedure in Ireland, which
  211.  
  212. meant that she could not determine her entitlement to a lawful abortion in
  213.  
  214. Ireland, caused considerable suffering and anxiety to C, who was confronted
  215.  
  216. with the fear that her life was threatened by her pregnancy. She was
  217.  
  218. awarded damages of €15,000.
  219.  
  220.  
  221.  
  222. The conclusions of the Expert Group derived from the ABC judgement are
  223.  
  224. clear and unambiguous. They are detailed in paragraph 4.7 of their Report
  225.  
  226. in which they state “Arising from the judgment, Ireland is under a legal
  227.  
  228. obligation to put in place and implement a legislative or regulatory regime
  229.  
  230. providing effective and accessible procedures whereby pregnant women can
  231.  
  232. establish whether or not they are entitled to a lawful abortion in
  233.  
  234. accordance with Article 40.3.3 of the Constitution as interpreted by the
  235.  
  236. Supreme Court in the X case, and, by necessary implication, access to
  237.  
  238. abortion services in the State. It would obviously be insufficient for the
  239.  
  240. State to interpret the Courts judgement as requiring only a procedure to
  241.  
  242. establish entitlement to termination without also giving access to such
  243.  
  244. necessary treatment.”
  245.  
  246.  
  247.  
  248. A pregnant woman essentially has a recognised constitutional right to have
  249.  
  250. a pregnancy terminated where continuation of the pregnancy poses a real and
  251.  
  252. substantial risk to her life. This is the effect of Article 40.3.3 as
  253.  
  254. interpreted by our Supreme Court. What the State is obliged to do is to
  255.  
  256. put in place measures to enable a woman exercise such right and in the
  257.  
  258. words of the Expert Group “regulate and monitor that right to ensure that
  259.  
  260. the general constitutional prohibition on abortion is maintained.” Any
  261.  
  262. measures put in place must not act as an obstacle to any woman legitimately
  263.  
  264. entitled to seek a termination doing so.
  265.  
  266.  
  267.  
  268. The Expert Group report proposes a variety of procedural options to be put
  269.  
  270. in place for determining entitlement and access to a termination of
  271.  
  272. pregnancy, providing for an initial determination and a review process and
  273.  
  274. also addresses the position of the conscientious objector.
  275.  
  276.  
  277.  
  278. It further discusses how to implement the European Court of Human Rights
  279.  
  280. judgement under the procedures chosen. It gives the options of guidelines,
  281.  
  282. regulations, legislation or a mix of legislation and regulations. These
  283.  
  284. are the proposals to be now considered and discussed by Government and
  285.  
  286. Members of this House.
  287.  
  288.  
  289.  
  290.  
  291.  
  292. It was decided by Government today that a discussion on the Expert Group
  293.  
  294. Report would occur in the House next Tuesday and that further time would be
  295.  
  296. made available. The Government also decided that it will make a decision
  297.  
  298. on the option to be pursued to implement the judgement of the European
  299.  
  300. Court before the Dail goes into recess. It is the intention of the
  301.  
  302. Government to make the necessary decisions to provide the architecture
  303.  
  304. required to fulfil our human rights obligations.
  305.  
  306.  
  307.  
  308. Many of the issues to be dealt with in the Report fall under the aegis of
  309.  
  310. my colleague Dr James Reilly TD, the Minister for Health and the Department
  311.  
  312. for Health. However, the Department of Justice and Equality also has an
  313.  
  314. important role. In the context of the European Court judgement it is clear
  315.  
  316. that in the criminal law area, legislation will be required because of
  317.  
  318. what is described as the significant “chilling effect of the criminal law
  319.  
  320. provisions in the 1861 Act which impact on both women and doctors during
  321.  
  322. the medical consultation process because of the risk for both parties of
  323.  
  324. criminal conviction and imprisonment.”
  325.  
  326.  
  327.  
  328. With regard to Section 58 of the Offences Against the person Act 1861 and
  329.  
  330. the related provision in Section 59 the Expert Group states “The provisions
  331.  
  332. are arguably unclear as to their scope and content. It is not clear, from
  333.  
  334. reading the section, what sort of conduct would be liable to criminal
  335.  
  336. prosecution, and what would not. Nor is it clear whether the scope and
  337.  
  338. content of the prohibition on abortion is co-extensive with the
  339.  
  340. constitutional prohibition on abortion. It should be borne in mind that the
  341.  
  342. 1861 Act pre-dates the Constitution and its provisions are only in force
  343.  
  344. insofar as they are not inconsistent with the Constitution.
  345.  
  346.  
  347.  
  348. The provisions fail to provide specific protection for the right to life of
  349.  
  350. a woman whose life is at risk due to her pregnancy. This has been the
  351.  
  352. subject of sustained criticism by the Irish Courts and was impugned in the
  353.  
  354. judgment in A,B and C v Ireland.
  355.  
  356.  
  357.  
  358. It can also be argued that the section does not effectively protect the
  359.  
  360. right to life of the unborn. For instance, under Irish law, currently, the
  361.  
  362. life of a baby who is in the process of being delivered is not clearly
  363.  
  364. protected either under the offence of murder or the offence of abortion.
  365.  
  366. This lacuna could be addressed by changing the 1861 Act.”
  367.  
  368.  
  369.  
  370. I believe it is absolutely clear that the only appropriate action to take
  371.  
  372. is to repeal and replace the 1861 Act with modern language which does not
  373.  
  374. criminalise the termination of a pregnancy where its continuation poses a
  375.  
  376. “real and substantial risk to the life of the mother.”
  377.  
  378.  
  379.  
  380. Deputy Daly in her Bill attempts to provide a legal architecture to fulfil
  381.  
  382. our human rights obligations and to give statutory expression to the
  383.  
  384. judgement of the Supreme Court in the X case. I know the Bill is well
  385.  
  386. intended but unfortunately it is substantially defective. It fails to
  387.  
  388. maintain the necessary constitutional balance and does not address in
  389.  
  390. detail a number of important issues dealt with by the Expert Group. Whilst
  391.  
  392. it seeks to provide protections for a woman whose life is at risk, it
  393.  
  394. absolves medical practitioners from any duty to consider whether the life
  395.  
  396. of the foetus is capable of being preserved. This appears to be a very
  397.  
  398. significant flaw in the Bill which goes to its constitutionality in that
  399.  
  400. Article 40.3.3 requires the right to life of the foetus to be vindicated if
  401.  
  402. it is possible (practicable) to do so without compromising the right to
  403.  
  404. life of the mother.
  405.  
  406.  
  407.  
  408. Section 5 of the Bill in seeking understandably to protect a medical
  409.  
  410. practitioner from criminal prosecution should the medical practitioner
  411.  
  412. provide medical treatment to a woman where there is a real and substantial
  413.  
  414. risk to her life provides a blanket immunity to any such medical
  415.  
  416. practitioner from civil liability should the medical practitioner be
  417.  
  418. negligent in the provision of the medical treatment and should such
  419.  
  420. negligence result in either the death or the permanent incapacity of the
  421.  
  422. woman.
  423.  
  424.  
  425.  
  426. The provisions in the Bill relating to decision making processes as to
  427.  
  428. whether a termination should occur are confused and inexact. For example,
  429.  
  430. Section 5 (2) confers an entitlement on a woman to obtain “a further
  431.  
  432. opinion” from her choice of “medical practitioner or practitioners” but
  433.  
  434. does not explain the relevance of such second opinion or what action might
  435.  
  436. be taken pursuant to it. In addition, the provisions in the Bill dealing
  437.  
  438. with the establishment of an appeals body are flawed or unclear or could in
  439.  
  440. cases of medical urgency represent a failure to vindicate a pregnant womans
  441.  
  442. right to life. By simply conferring a broad power on a Minister “by
  443.  
  444. order” to establish an appeals body and saying no more, this provision also
  445.  
  446. is open to constitutional challenge.
  447.  
  448.  
  449.  
  450. Deputy Daly’s Bill also fails to adequately deal with Section 58 and 59 of
  451.  
  452. the Offences Against the Person Act.
  453.  
  454.  
  455.  
  456. Now that the Expert Group’s Report has been published we have a clear
  457.  
  458. insight into the issues which need to be addressed. There is also now a
  459.  
  460. clear statement from government that necessary decisions will be made
  461.  
  462. before the Christmas recess and that appropriate action will be taken
  463.  
  464. without undue delay to implement those decisions. The debate on Deputy
  465.  
  466. Daly’s Bill affords Members of the House an opportunity to commence
  467.  
  468. discussion on the Expert Groups Report and now that the Report is published
  469.  
  470. and a commitment has been given by Government to do what is required to
  471.  
  472. address these very important issues, I would ask Deputy Daly to not
  473.  
  474. unnecessarily divide the House by putting her Bill to the vote. I would
  475.  
  476. ask her to consider withdrawing the Bill and to afford to Members of the
  477.  
  478. House the further time they require to debate the Report on the
  479.  
  480. understanding that decisions will be made by Government before the
  481.  
  482. Christmas recess.
  483.  
  484.  
  485.  
  486. This Government is now committed to do what no government has done in the
  487.  
  488. thirty years since Article 40.3.3 was incorporated into our Constitution.
  489.  
  490. The steps to be taken are within the confines of that Constitutional
  491.  
  492. Article and its interpretation by our Supreme Court. I hope we can discuss
  493.  
  494. these matters in a common-sense, rational and sensitive way. I believe
  495.  
  496. Members of this House, in addressing this issue, should ask themselves what
  497.  
  498. would they do, or what would they want to see done, if it was their wife,
  499.  
  500. their mother, their sister, their granddaughter or their niece or, for
  501.  
  502. those Members of this House who are women, if it were themselves who were
  503.  
  504. confronted by the dilemma of being informed that to continue to maintain a
  505.  
  506. pregnancy would result in a real and substantial risk to life. It is a
  507.  
  508. real and substantial risk to life that is central. Whatever action
  509.  
  510. Government takes we will still have in this country one of the most
  511.  
  512. restrictive laws in Europe with regard to the termination of pregnancies.
  513.  
  514. Both women and medical practitioners are entitled to know where they stand
  515.  
  516. and what procedures are available to address the circumstances in which a
  517.  
  518. pregnancy is terminable under our constitutional code. In debating this
  519.  
  520. issue I believe it is of crucial important that Member of this House do not
  521.  
  522. resort to extreme language. We should be conscious of the impact of what
  523.  
  524. we say both in this House and outside it on women who have miscarried or
  525.  
  526. who have had pregnancies terminated where their lives have been at risk.
  527.  
  528.  
  529.  
  530. We should also be clear on what we are not doing. We are not considering,
  531.  
  532. in any shape or form, abortion on demand as is alleged by some. We are not
  533.  
  534. even addressing nor can we under the current constitutional provision,
  535.  
  536. issues that many outside this House believe should be addressed. For
  537.  
  538. example, whatever decision is taken by Government we cannot provide, in
  539.  
  540. this State, for the termination of a pregnancy resulting from rape in the
  541.  
  542. absence of the victim being suicidal. We cannot provide for the
  543.  
  544. termination of a pregnancy where there is a foetal abnormality which will,
  545.  
  546. as a certainty, result in the birth of a baby unable to survive. The Expert
  547.  
  548. Group Report documents cases of rape victims going to Britain to effect
  549.  
  550. terminations and of mothers with babies who suffered foetal abnormalities
  551.  
  552. such as anencephaly or Edwards syndrome. In the absence of constitutional
  553.  
  554. change there will continue to be a British solution to this Irish problem.
  555.  
  556. It is also of course the position that a pregnancy that poses a serious
  557.  
  558. risk to the health as opposed to the life of a woman, even where such
  559.  
  560. health risk could result in permanent incapacity, does not provide a basis
  561.  
  562. for effecting a termination in this State. The reality of course is that
  563.  
  564. there is no impediment to men seeking and obtaining any required medical
  565.  
  566. intervention to protect not only their life but also their health and
  567.  
  568. quality of life. I am, of course, not only Minister for Justice and
  569.  
  570. Defence but also Minister for Equality and it can truly be said that the
  571.  
  572. right of pregnant women to have their health protected is, under our
  573.  
  574. constitutional framework, a qualified right as is their right to bodily
  575.  
  576. integrity. This will remain the position. This is a republic in we
  577.  
  578. proclaim the equality of all citizens but it is a reality that some
  579.  
  580. citizens are more equal than others.
  581.  
  582.  
  583.  
  584. We should not pretend that the limited measures that must now be put in
  585.  
  586. place to satisfy the judgement of the European Court ensure true equality
  587.  
  588. for all citizens of this republic, both men and women. They are however
  589.  
  590. essential to ensuring that pregnant women whose lives are at risk have
  591.  
  592. available to them the medical treatment they require.
  593.  
  594.  
  595.  
  596. ENDS
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