Herocraft 6/18/2011 meeting

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	Mod|Doreagarde	and there it is!
	Proctor|Figgys	kk
	Guide|AfroDave	Ahh
	Apherdite	I'm a pretty, pretty pony.
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06:04	Mod|Doreagarde	you sure are, aph
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	Kainzo	http://www.herocraftonline.com/forum/index.php?threads/herocraft-meeting-6-18-6pm-cst.2857/
	Kainzo	Alrighty then
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	Kainzo	#1 - Townships - Notable changes
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06:05	Kainzo	The township system has undergone several changes in the past month - we're now requiring buildings to be present in the Townships of the server
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	Kainzo	The buildings can be found via the spreadsheet on Google - the most notable thing is the "Townhall" - which will be the only area to have NO-PVP off placed by an ADMIN
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06:06	Kainzo	(If you're t3+ / staff / proctor/guide/architect/coder - please msg Admin|Lucky for +V access
	Kainzo	^)
	Mod|Doreagarde	Townhalls are to be used as safehouses, then?
	Guide|AfroDave	Ok
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	Guide|Gtastuntdude	Does each building need to have a standalone structure, or can there be multiple in one building?
	Admin|Lucky	Only PM me when your NAME reflects your rank in the CORRECT format. T3/T4/T5/Staff ONLY.
	Admin|Lucky	If your NAME is NOT in the correct format you will be ignored
	T5|Greek	thanks for voice
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	Kainzo	Townhalls are the only safe spot - it wont conform to a structure - it will be an invisible region 20x20x20
06:07	T5|Greek	invisible?
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	Mod|Doreagarde	Regions aren't visible, greek
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	Kainzo	Meaning - staff wont conform to a structure placed - so even if you dont have a building that meets the reqs - its going to go up there anyways
	Guide|AfroDave	Kainzo will we still be able to do things to the town? For example make it impossible for people to open doors, ect?
	Mod|Doreagarde	the region will be abstract, you can put buildings in it
	Guide|AfroDave	With region I mean.
	T5|Greek	i meant like when you use a wood sword to find it, it's not there?
	Kainzo	The "use" flag will be toggable by the Township leaders via the Township plugin
	T3|Howdanrocks	Will that safe area be able to be moved to another area?
06:08	Kainzo	Children regions in the Township plugin arent up and running yet - we're still deciding how to handle the children regions
	Mod|Doreagarde	It'll be there, greek. You could find it with a sword
	T5|Soundmaniac	Let him finish
	Kainzo	At the moment - you will be able to AUTOMATICALLY create a township if you have 1) the citizens on your list 2) the coin 3) the required blocks
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	Kainzo	It will throw a ring in the sky for the tier you're creating - as well as auto protecting block destruction within 75R
	T5|Greek	yay
	Guide|AfroDave	Will this have the auto people cannot join another town list untill three days after they left their last town?
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	T5|Greek	kingdom here i come
	T3|Howdanrocks	will citizens have to use a command to be put on the list?
	Guide|AfroDave	Just wondering since it was a problem on the last map.
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	Kainzo	As part of the Township plugin - there will be a tax system involved - required to be paid to the DHX bank
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	Apherdite	You gettin taxed, fools.
	T5|Greek
	Kainzo	Yes Guide|AfroDave - we're going to try and fix it for that
	Apherdite	Pay up to the G.O.V.
	Kainzo	The tax is to keep the protection and the township active
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	Kainzo	In either case - this system is not easy to implement - we run a VERY complex system in Herocraft
06:10	Kainzo	we ask that you be patient while we get things working
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	Mod|Doreagarde	And in the days of Lord Kainzo it was decreed that all the world should be taxed.
	T3|Howdanrocks	will the tax increase as the value of coin decreases?
	T5|draskuul	(a) do required buildings have to be EXACTLY as listed or can they be larger? (b) can they be rooms or sub-buildings ofa larger structure, (c) child regions should give us two options - inclusive or exclusive permissions (can explain more later), (d) what will be the grace period on taxes?
	T5|Greek	you have the amounts set kain?
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	Apherdite	Yes T3|Howdanrocks
	Kainzo	T5|draskuul: yes they can be larger - however the PVP-OFF protection will be limited no matter the building size
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	Kainzo	We're wanting to put an emphasize on Township activity, township danger and the ability to immerse yourself in your Township with Heroes
06:11	Kainzo	T3|Howdanrocks: yes
	Kainzo	all rates (tax) are adjustable
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	T5|draskuul	Can those required buildings be sub-structures of a larger building?
	T5|Greek	you should be required to have one of each path in your town
	Kainzo	Its still being implemented so things are being adjusted and changed
	Coder|RightLegRed	Heroes will soon detect when you're in a township and force you to use fireball 24/7
	Kainzo	Yes T5|draskuul - thats admin's decisions to pass/allow if its different
	T5|draskuul	Thanks
	Kainzo	So to recap
06:12	Kainzo	Townhalls will be NO-PVP, townships require more blocks to obtain, we're working on the Auto-creation system to make things easier on everyone involved, Townships WILL have child-regions but not off the bat
	Kainzo	We're also lowering the amount of signatures required on a Township to remain active
	Mod|Xanipher	oh good
	Kainzo	so if your township falls on hardtimes, you'll be able to keep it up
	T5|Greek	aww i liked the limits
	Guide|AfroDave	By how much?
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	Guide|AfroDave	Half?
	Kainzo	There's still limits - its just a bit less once you have done the work and achieved it - maintaining the township will require less Citizens
06:13	T5|draskuul	Will it also protect the reserved space outside the town rings? The 100-block protected area, similar to how was done with Zeal?
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	Kainzo	All of this can be found on the spreadsheet and soon Wiki
	Kainzo	we wont waste time citing specifics
	T5|Greek	Kain, will there be a chance for a second Empire?
	Kainzo	#2 Economy - DHX / Resource Collecting
	Mod|Xanipher	its on the wiki greek
	Kainzo	and yes Greek.
	T5|Greek	oooo
	Kainzo	The DHX will be up - we will be removing the ATM's from the outside of Zeal
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06:14	Mod|Xanipher	woo dhx
	T5|Greek	does it look sexy?
	T3|Howdanrocks	lol atms
	Kainzo	The DHX is 99% complete and its ready for bankers to start helping the public
	Guide|Gtastuntdude	Yes greek
	T5|iFizzE	Will the price of gold go up?
	T5|Greek
	T5|FFLaguna	My question is iFizzE's question.
	Admin|Lucky	100% once my statue is built.
	T3|DrShockTrooper	When can we expect the activation?
	Apherdite	That's uncertain right now T5|iFizzE
	Kainzo	The DHX will also start buying items OTHER than GOLD - if we have community projects that we feel we need to recoup with the public
	Mod|Xanipher	side note, if you put the trap doors down on my planters, ill eat you
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	Apherdite	I'll do it xani lol
	Guide|AfroDave	Also will the bankers manage the Atm's?
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	Mod|Xanipher	face eat time!
	T3|Shortyy	Hey
	T5|Greek	Eat? I knew that would happen
06:15	Guide|Gtastuntdude	He just said ATMs would be removed didnt he?
	Guide|Gtastuntdude	I think thats what he said..
	Mod|Doreagarde	ATMs will be removed, Guide|AfroDave
	Guide|AfroDave	Ahh
	Guide|AfroDave	They were pretty good.
	Kainzo	For the DHX - we wish to have a sliding bar of gold prices - not only continually rising - but slowly adjusting so people could possibly make money (or lose money) if they hold out
	Kainzo	However, the gold bar will hover mostly around 10c
	T5|Greek	Atms ruin the economy
	T5|Greek	not as fun
	Mod|Xanipher	we keep real bankers for player interaction and intergration
06:16	T5|Greek	yes
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	Kainzo	The Economy is largely decided by the COMMUNITY of the server - its up to you guys to set prices / price gouge etc
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	Kainzo	We hope you understand that we purposely play a back seat role in the prices
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	T5|iFizzE	News on cauldron recepies?
	Mod|Doreagarde	it would be exciting to see some business-focused players take interest in the market and track prices
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06:17	Kainzo	So to recap economy - DHX is up (by tonight) - we'll also be buying in items for short periods to keep the server LEGIT if we do community projects/dungeons
	T5|Greek	what # topic is hero specializations?
	Kainzo	Stay on topic Greek
	T5|iFizzE	Buy, not sell?
	Mod|Doreagarde	http://www.herocraftonline.com/forum/index.php?threads/herocraft-meeting-6-18-6pm-cst.2857/
	T5|FFLaguna	What is a community project/dungeon? Examples?
	T5|Greek	i know im asking when we will talk about that
	Proctor|Figgys	Any plans to get more Clay into the economy Kainzo?
	T5|Soundmaniac	Like a spell dungeon
	Kainzo	Cauldrons are getting into the economy for caly
	Kainzo	clay*
06:18	Guide|AfroDave	So Kainzo groups such as the Crafters Guild will be able to control the economy?
	T5|AussieDingbat	Oh great, I missed the town bit, oh well
	Kainzo	We made the spawn before the map was released - anything used will be collected for premium prices
	T5|Greek	thanks dore
	T5|FFLaguna	Interesting
	Kainzo	T5|AussieDingbat: it will be logged
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	T5|AussieDingbat	yeah I know, it's all good
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	Proctor|Figgys	Will the cost for Clay in Cauldrons be reduced starting off to help get some more of it into everyones hands? Or?
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	Kainzo	#3 - PVP - How do you guys feel about it?
06:19	Architect|Xpeterc1	laggy
	T3|Howdanrocks	good
	t3|NeoGriim	It sucks for crafters.
	T5|Weynard	paladin is OP
	T5|Greek	laggy and unfair
	T3|Shortyy	Laggy, but it needs to be balanced among classes
	Coder|RightLegRed	Needs more Wizard
	T3|DrShockTrooper	i would hope not Figgys, that would flood the market and screw the natural economy.
	T5|jwplayer0	a little laggy but otherwise good
	T5|Soundmaniac	Atm it kinda sucks
	T5|Weynard	And LAG
	T5|AussieDingbat	Fine, it's just seems like it's excessive due to the current state of towns
	Guide|AfroDave	Causes to much hate
	T3|DrShockTrooper	Laggy PVP
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	Kainzo	The lag is something we're always working on - with more players come more lag - unfortunately - I have spent -countless- hours attempting to configure it
	T3|Howdanrocks	i am going to like raiding towns and actually being able to kill people
	T3|Bl00dmaster	Lag can be annoying
	T5|Soundmaniac	Especially with the breaking through blocks thing
	T5|AussieDingbat	I wouldn't mind more protection as a crafter, but besides that
	T5|Greek	rogues are way overpowered in pvp
	Guide|AfroDave	I've seen too many people rage In general chat.
	T3|DrShockTrooper	great feature tho
	Mod|Xanipher	raiding causes a lot of crying
	Mod|Xanipher	hahaha
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	Coder|RightLegRed	Kainzo, I found a fix for lag
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	Coder|RightLegRed	./hero admin class Wizard
	Banker|Punisher79	thanks
	Kainzo	Going to slap you Rightleg
	Coder|RightLegRed	Err
	T5|FFLaguna	I was against the PvPness of the server, and against "no pvp zones except town hall", but after taking part in some raids I've come to realize it's a really, really good system. I'd like to see how PvP evolves when towns/regions come in
	Coder|RightLegRed	./hero admin class RightLegRed Wizard
06:20	T5|Victim130	:3 I find the PvP to be fun a little laggy, but works out fine
	Kainzo	I wont lie - when we first started the Township system 8 months ago
	T5|iFizzE	Will there be an apple recepie?
	T5|iFizzE	recipe*
	T5|AussieDingbat	Everyone logs out, that fixes the lag right Coder|RightLegRed
	Apherdite	You're such a poop Coder|RightLegRed
	Kainzo	our vision was "TOWNSHIPS ARE ULTIMATE PROTECTION!!!"
	T5|Weynard	ololol
	Kainzo	Over time - this was warped to "HEY MAKE A TOWNSHIP AND YOU CAN BE LAZY!"
	T5|draskuul	I think people are raging over PVP more over lack of protections than over lag in PVP
	Kainzo	Which isnt what we want as a server - its not in our Vision
	Guide|AfroDave	I think the punishment for logging In pvp should be more severe
	Coder|RightLegRed	Apherdite, /hero admin class righ Wizard
	Guide|AfroDave	Loss of half of their levels ect
	Coder|RightLegRed	That'll fix it now
	T5|Weynard	I agree with afro
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	Mod|Xanipher	its hard to prove dave, people do legitimately crash
	Proctor|Figgys	Afro, how would you enforce that? Random client crashes happen? It's happened to me in pvp and it will no doubt happen again.
06:21	T5|draskuul	Guide|AfroDave: How can you though? This is a beta game tnat crashes constantly
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	Kainzo	I'll be working on adjusting lag - I hope we'll find a solution soon - I hate the lag
	T3|Howdanrocks	I believe that the whole, pvp off only in the town hall really adds to the pvp
	t3|NeoGriim	Any updates on crafter vs. pvp? The best we can hope for is a panic room at the moment when we're up against diamond weapons.
	Guide|AfroDave	I mean
	Kainzo	We will be working on a plugin that will keep players logged in for 5-10 secs after they disconnect
	T5|FFLaguna	Howdanrocks - Yes, I've come to agree with that, too
	Kainzo	However, its not our top priority.
	T5|AussieDingbat	It really forces towns to make good defences, which I like
	T5|Weynard	Neo- Crafters have no place in PVP
	Mod|Xanipher	giant walls are ugly haha
	T5|Victim130	So if we like to PvP your saying we should be punished...
	Banker|Punisher79	Lol, Xani
	T5|FFLaguna	Kainzo - Have to fix /cast recall and /warp at the same time for the same reason
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	T3|Howdanrocks	Kainzo, will logging during combat then be legal?
06:22	Kainzo	for PVP - crafters should hire body guards - they will not get much more love - if you want to combat - please choose a combat PATH
	Guide|AfroDave	Xanipher- You can always style them to look nice.
	T5|AussieDingbat	Don't tell us T5|Weynard, tellthe combat classes that attack us
	Kainzo	so to speak, Howdan
	T5|Weynard	Tee HEe ^^
	T5|Greek	i dont want combat, i want defense
	T5|Soundmaniac	Kainzo: Anything planned for Casters?
	T5|Victim130	Yeah getting a diamond pick to the face is annoying
	T5|Greek	all i can do is run
	Kainzo	THIS IS NOT A BALANCE DISCUSSION - STAY ON TOPIC
	Kainzo	#10 is Balance
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	Guide|AfroDave	I find pvp to last a little to short
	T5|Victim130	kk
	T3|DrShockTrooper	If you want to hire bodyguards, Shiroku is @ your service
	Guide|AfroDave	Ow topic changed
	T5|Greek	is greyp in your group?
	Kainzo	#4 - Multiworlds
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	T3|DrShockTrooper	yes
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	T5|Weynard	Yesplease
	T5|Greek	you guys attack us>
	Kainzo	Nether and Skylands will be coming out - sometime in the next few weeks
	T5|AussieDingbat	Nether yes please
	T3|Howdanrocks	woops
	T5|AussieDingbat	@Greek stay on topic
	Kainzo	The Nether will be accessible by Necromancers with Hellgate
	T5|Weynard	:3
	Guide|AfroDave	Skylands sound badass
	T5|Victim130	What is Skylands?
	Guide|Gtastuntdude	What will the purpose of skylands be?
	T3|Shortyy	whats skylands?
	T3|DrShockTrooper	What is skylands?
	Kainzo	SKylands will be floating map with void below - very difficult to navigate
	Banker|Punisher79	Give him a sec to explain please
	T5|Victim130	Sweet
	t3|NeoGriim	Will crafters be able to make gates considering they're the only class who can mine obsidian?
	T5|Soundmaniac	Kainzo: Will skylands be pre-made or will it be a custom worldgen?
	T3|Howdanrocks	Kainzo - will these necromancers be able to take others to the nether with them?
06:24	T5|AussieDingbat	Right, which leads to the next logically question, can we have towns in the multiworld?
	T5|Victim130	More resources? Or just a cool pvp map?
	Kainzo	it has its own generation
	Kainzo	so the more you explore - the more skylands made
	T5|Soundmaniac	Good
	Kainzo	Also - we are relieving "WAR"
	T5|Weynard	So no limits on those?
	Kainzo	theres no reason to have a WAR map anymore with Heroes out
	T5|Greek	:/
	Guide|AfroDave	Good
	T5|AussieDingbat	Fair enough
	Kainzo	We will have three primary maps - NETHER / SKYLANDS / MAIN
	Kainzo	bonus exp in Nether
	T3|Howdanrocks	oo
	T5|Greek	will battlegrouds return?
	Kainzo	it will be a good place to level - hard place to leave.
	Mod|Xanipher	(archive)
	T5|Victim130	Sweet
06:25	Kainzo	Greek - on topic
	T3|Howdanrocks	Kainzo - will these necromancers be able to take others to the nether with them?
	T5|jwplayer0	will skylands be plentiful in materials
	T5|FFLaguna	Nether has nether items... what's the point to Skylands?
	Kainzo	not asking again
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	Proctor|Figgys	Will the archive map be apart of the multiverse?
	Banker|Punisher79	lol
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	Kainzo	The Hellgate will take the group of the necro
	Proctor|Figgys	archived*
	T5|Soundmaniac	Kainzo: How will you get out of the Nether? Through a necro? What if he dies?
	Kainzo	So they will be able to port players INTO the nether
	T5|Greek	fine, i figured that would be near on-topic
	T3|Howdanrocks	cool
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	Guide|AfroDave	Kainzo how about having Neather like from A to B?
	Banker|Punisher79	how do you leave?
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	Kainzo	You can perm lose items if you die in the Nether unless you have a necro friend to get you back.
	Kainzo	This is by design
	Guide|AfroDave	For example the exit is X blocks away from the Entrance
	T5|AussieDingbat	Sounds good
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06:26	T3|DrShockTrooper	sweet
	Admin|Lucky	beware of necro griefers
	T3|DrShockTrooper	sounds great
	Kainzo	We havent decided if we will place an exit - if we do it will be very far from the port in from Hellgate
	Guide|AfroDave	Thank god
	Guide|AfroDave	Can it be guarded by Ghast?
	Kainzo	Skylands will be an interesting concept as well - we'll touch base on that more - Wizards will be able to port there
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	T3|DrShockTrooper	 SWEET
06:27	T3|Howdanrocks	and i have another question. Kainzo, what about people leaving the nether with a gate they make there? would they maybe spawn a gate in the middle of a town or something?
	Kainzo	Okay - so expect multiworlds - in the future
	T5|AussieDingbat	Will there be a region on the hell gate, or will necros need a couple of armed friends to take out gate campers?
	T5|Greek	that will be AWESOME
	Coder|RightLegRed	WIZZZZARDS
	T3|DrShockTrooper	go wizzards
	Kainzo	Howdanrocks - its not SSP nether
	T5|Soundmaniac	Geomancers ._.
	T5|Victim130	Can't wait for Skylands
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	Kainzo	#5 Herogates - FOUR HEROGATES - GOING NW / NE / SE / SW - cost 25-50c
	T3|Howdanrocks	Kainzo, I thought notch made it work in smp the same as it works ssp
	Guide|AfroDave	35c
06:28	T5|AussieDingbat	T5 get them free still?
	T5|Greek	will t5 still get free hgs?
	T5|FFLaguna	"going"?
	Kainzo	we will have for gates going out from Zeal to the direction the gate is facing
	Proctor|Figgys	Did you decide whether to add buildings at the exits yet Kainzo? for those gates?
	T3|Howdanrocks	50c
	T5|AussieDingbat	yep
	Kainzo	T5 will still have free access
	T5|madlord	yey
	T5|Greek	yay
	T5|AussieDingbat	Sounds good
	Kainzo	The port in will have PVP OFF in the immediate area
	Kainzo	camping of the gates IS allowed
	T5|Soundmaniac	yay
	Kainzo	Do not petition camping of the gates.
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	T5|Greek	sounds reasonable
	T5|Victim130	Yay
	T5|FFLaguna	Good idea.
	T5|Soundmaniac	Purrrfect
	T3|DrShockTrooper	fair enough
	T5|Greek	bahahaha
	Guide|AfroDave	Can each of the gates have an area designed by an Architect around them?
	Kainzo	The gates will be around 1500,80,1500 (+/-)
06:29	T3|DrShockTrooper	Shiroku could camp, and charge for people to pass haha
	Kainzo	Thetxlibr awill e working on the Herogates
	T5|Greek	i found some of them
	Guide|AfroDave	I mean making one looking like stonehenge would be cool
	Kainzo	if others are interested in designing them - please get with Txlibra
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	Kainzo	okay
	Guide|AfroDave	Ok
	Banker|Punisher79	Libra!
	T5|iFIzzE	Ugh, connection probs
	Kainzo	#5.5 = SPIRES / DRUID RINGS
	T5|Soundmaniac	K what
	Guide|AfroDave	Spires?
	T5|Greek	?
	T5|Victim130	What are they?
	T3|DrShockTrooper	wait
	T5|iFIzzE	Place them in the cardinal directions?
	T5|Soundmaniac	This sounds neat
	T3|DrShockTrooper	hell tell us
	T3|Howdanrocks	Kainzo, will towns controlling these gates be allowed to "tax" the gate? Like, not allowing people through unless they give them money
	Kainzo	We will have THREE spires on the map - Wizards will be able to port their group between the Spires (massive structures up to the sky)
06:30	T5|Soundmaniac	Holy penis
	Coder|RightLegRed	WIZAAAAARDS
	Kainzo	We will also have THREE druid rings - druids will be able to port their groups to each one - around the map
	Guide|AfroDave	Damn I want to switch to caster now.....
	T3|DrShockTrooper	AWESOME
	T5|iFIzzE	Place them in the form of david's star?
	T5|AussieDingbat	I believe they will have regions dan, so we can't "control" them
	T5|AussieDingbat	but we can camp them
	T5|AussieDingbat	with a tax
	Kainzo	PlayerA died in 2000,50,100 .... There happens to be a Spire close by - PlayerA will pay WizardB for a port to the Spire to get to their items
	Kainzo	etc
	Mod|Doreagarde	T5|iFIzzE : I second that motion
	Guide|AfroDave	Kainzo will each of them be a no -pvp zone/
	Kainzo	or if a town is close by they can have a wizard meet them there
	Guide|AfroDave	8?
	T5|AussieDingbat	Do you need to be near the wizard?
	Proctor|Figgys	Will the spire ranges be increased as the map increases?
	Kainzo	SPires / Rings will NOT be PVP Off
	T5|draskuul	Unless we're making the map triangular rather than rectangular 3 seems like an odd number, why not 4?
	Kainzo	so watch your back
06:31	T5|AussieDingbat	also, can it be used as a combat thing, i.e. port away the enemy troops
	T5|AussieDingbat	then raid the town
	T5|Victim130	Sweet
	T5|FFLaguna	Kainzo - This is a great implementation, but cheap recall and bed-sleeping throws this off.
	T5|Soundmaniac	Wait, druids?
	Guide|AfroDave	Ambushes. I like that.
	T3|DrShockTrooper	Oh amazing troop movements for armies like Shiroku
	Kainzo	Recall in the future will be limited
	T5|Greek	im glad pvp will be on
	Kainzo	as well as Bed spawning - fear not
	T5|FFLaguna	Any ideas?
	T3|DrShockTrooper	Limited recall?
	T5|Greek	also, wars will be awesome with pvp on
	Kainzo	Not to discuss at this time - closer when we have wizards/druids up and running
	T5|AussieDingbat	fair enough
	T5|Soundmaniac	What are druids??
	T3|DrShockTrooper	10-4
	Kainzo	#6 Lag - we're working hard on this - please be patient
	T5|AussieDingbat	I think I speak for everyone when I say, all we want is less of it.
06:32	T3|Howdanrocks	no
	T3|DrShockTrooper	amex
	Kainzo	If you have ideas on reducing lag, and we have not tried it - please alert me via PM on the forums
	T3|DrShockTrooper	amex*
	T3|Howdanrocks	i am not patient
	Banker|Punisher79	Lag is manageble for me... no complaints
	T3|DrShockTrooper	Is there a log of what you have tried so far?
	Guide|AfroDave	Ok Kainzo can you tell us though what you know of the problems with the lag so far?
	T5|iFIzzE	player cap of 3
	Kainzo	The lag keeps me up at night - I try hard to reduce it - but i'm in a losing battle
	Kainzo	With X players saying UP THE CAP OMG
	Kainzo	and then the other players asking for it to be lowered
	Kainzo	we'll try and keep it reasonable
06:33	T3|DrShockTrooper	Where it is is reasonable
	T3|DrShockTrooper	says you. lol
	Kainzo	#7 NEW niche SERVERS
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	Kainzo	In the following months
	Kainzo	we will be releasing 2-3 new server styles
	Guide|AfroDave	What type of server will it be?
	T5|Soundmaniac
	Kainzo	these will not coincide with Herocraft: The Multiverse
	T3|DrShockTrooper	Wow
	T3|DrShockTrooper	interesting
	T5|iFIzzE	So no item transfers?
	Kainzo	The servers will be -NO PVP, PVP/CHAOS, and ZOMBIE SURVIVAL DEATHMODEX1050
	Guide|AfroDave	Ahh
	T3|Howdanrocks	I have a lag fix, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ubePTrs2VJc
	T5|Soundmaniac	ಠ_ಠ
	T5|iFIzzE	I like the last one
06:34	Kainzo	T3|Howdanrocks: - stay on topic - last time im asking
	Kainzo	All of these servers will have a cap of 20-30
	Guide|AfroDave	Will staff hold their rank the same In each server?
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	Kainzo	Our primary focus will be Herocraft: The Multiverse
	T5|iFIzzE	will the reserve list apply to those servers?
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	Kainzo	And no - new staff, new ranks, new donor tiers, new reserve list - they WILL be separate entities from HC completely
	Mod|Doreagarde	What will the staff's responsibilities be, regarding these new servers?
	T5|iFIzzE	And will there be "portals" linking each server?
	T5|AussieDingbat	Town system on those servers?
	Guide|AfroDave	ok
	T5|jwplayer0	will you be using server port or will these be completly separated
	T3|DrShockTrooper	I should hope so. Will the service to Herocraft be degraded by these new servers?
	Mod|Doreagarde	right, got i
	T5|AussieDingbat	what about the risk of dividing the player base?
	Mod|Doreagarde	*it
	Kainzo	I havent ironed out the details - but we will before they launch dont worry
06:35	T3|DrShockTrooper	okay.
	Kainzo	In either case - the new servers are to have different / fun play styles that we dont have here
	T5|iFIzzE	You should add a Creative server
	Kainzo	and if that attracts that type - then they can play there
	Kainzo	NO-PVP will mostly be creative
	Kainzo	but monsters will be enabled
	T5|iFIzzE	unlim resources?
	Kainzo	Anyways - its not set in stone yet - but I think we have MORE than enough power on our server to host a few more servers
	T3|Howdanrocks	Is there a plugin already made for this zombie survival?
	T5|AussieDingbat	why not have them as part of the multiverse?
	Kainzo	Yes T3|Howdanrocks
	Architect|Xpeterc1	yes howdan
06:36	T5|AussieDingbat	just with no item transfer
	T5|iFIzzE	Will FFA map comeback?
	Kainzo	The new servers thought process is this
	Kainzo	if we have 20-30 players - we will have 20/20 ticks
	Kainzo	with no lag
	T5|AussieDingbat	no T5|iFIzzE
	T5|AussieDingbat	oh ok
	Kainzo	we can run two servers with 20-30 players each and both will have 20/20 ticks
	Guide|AfroDave	I still think 3 servers are a lot
	Kainzo	where as we can run HC with 90 players and we only get 5 ticks
	Kainzo	all three servers can run totallying about 150 players and still have the two smaller servers with no lag
	Kainzo	which means the hardware on our server is a beast - but the code is sucking.
06:37	Banker|Punisher79	impressive sir!
	Kainzo	#8 Map Size = 2500R
	T5|Soundmaniac	Damn notch
	Admin|Lucky	our server > notch's code
	Guide|AfroDave	The map size is fine
	T5|AussieDingbat	For now
	Kainzo	We will be working on slowly increasing the map size if we increase the Cap.... over time, we will slowly adjusting it to allow for more room on the map
	T5|iFIzzE	Don't expand it, because of possible new blocks
	Guide|AfroDave	Although there is a lack of Pumpkins
	Mod|Doreagarde	Perhaps when towns come up we'll expand it
	T5|Victim130	I think 500 blocks more would be nice
	Mod|Doreagarde	Pumpkins can be cauldroned
	Kainzo	We do NOT want to wipe the map every few months - we do want to prune structures that are dead, while allowing for more resource discovers
	Kainzo	discoveries
	T5|AussieDingbat	I'd wait for august before major expansion, due to the possibility of new blocks
06:38	Guide|AfroDave	Kainzo keep it as it is
	Guide|AfroDave	It's fine.
	T5|iFIzzE	Expand it 500 every time notch adds some important new blocks?
	T5|Greek	i think map should be 3000R
	T5|Soundmaniac	Destroy unused areas
	T5|AussieDingbat	500 with every minecraft update would be cool
	T5|Victim130	Agreed
	Mod|Doreagarde	T5|iFIzzE: there's a mathematical reason why that could get out of hand
	T3|DrShockTrooper	Kainzo, there are some mods that allow you to restock mines. Have you thought about using that?
	Kainzo	We will expand - but right now - its fine
	Guide|AfroDave	Greek
	T5|FFLaguna	Pruning is good, but soooo difficult. How do you expect to prune individual structures and stuff?
	T5|AussieDingbat	it'd be an easy way to tget the new blocks in
	T5|Greek	last map EVERYTHING was gone
	Guide|AfroDave	Think of how empty the map would be.
	t3|NeoGriim	I agree with Greek, the more to explore the better.
	T5|iFIzzE	Fine, atleast regen dead areas
	Coder|RightLegRed	T5|iFIzzE, I plan to be adding a command to add new blocks to chunks
	T5|AussieDingbat	within reason dore, of course
06:39	T5|Victim130	brb
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	T5|Greek	more roses, the better
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	Kainzo	#9 - Donor Ranks/Abilities - Several changes in the last month
	t3|NeoGriim	Yeah roses are so very rare on this map
	T5|AussieDingbat	I'm fine with most of them
	T5|Soundmaniac	Kainzo: I want realms back!
	T5|Greek	i miss sneak
	Banker|Punisher79	T3 gets God mode?
	T5|iFIzzE	Will t6 have 2 colors?
	Kainzo	T4+ will have a personal region (not sure how many yet) and it may or may not cost Blocks or Coin (also not sure)
06:40	Guide|AfroDave	I feel the same as Aussie
	T5|Greek	name changes for t6?
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	Coder|RightLegRed	T5|Soundmaniac, it's dead.
	Kainzo	For the most part - Regions, to me, is dead code - and i dont enjoy having it here
	T5|Soundmaniac	I know
	T5|jwplayer0	re make it rlr
	T5|Soundmaniac	It was for Hey0
	Kainzo	Realms - unfortunately is dead
	T5|jwplayer0	remake it
	Kainzo	we're not wasting coding time on it atm
	Guide|AfroDave	Kainzo do you intend to replace regions?
	Kainzo	we have more important things to make
	Kainzo	Township plugin will replace regions for towns
	Coder|RightLegRed	T5|jwplayer0, we intend to have personal time this summer
06:41	Kainzo	in the interim - we will allow t4+ to make personal regions
	Coder|RightLegRed	If you would like to pay me to remake it, sure. Not wasting time on it though
	T5|Greek	who needs a personal life?
	T5|Soundmaniac	Oh what about Vaults?
	Kainzo	We understand that the donor abilities have undergone a large change - but we feel that it is for the best of the server
	T5|Greek	we got Minecraft, that's all we need
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	Mod|Xanipher	will our personal regions have pvp off
	Kainzo	We want to provide everyone with a choice on this server
	T5|iFIzzE	Now to the important feature, /hat
	Kainzo	If they choose to LWC all their goods - even as a donor they will need to have coin to do it
	Guide|AfroDave	Kainzo please fill us In about Vaults.
	Banker|Punisher79	^^ what xani said
	Kainzo	the *hat* plugin will be coming back for whatever tier we had it for
	T5|Greek	YES
	T3|DrShockTrooper	Awesome
	T5|AussieDingbat	Right, would we be able to get Mods to region things like Roads and stuff, if personal regions cost money and are limited in size?
	t3|NeoGriim	Hat?
06:42	T5|FFLaguna	Kainzo, gotta ask, when do you expect personal regions to make it in?
	T5|iFIzzE	How about riding animals
	Kainzo	The Vaults are very insecure - due to MC's base code - we will be redoing the Vault system to reflect this
	T5|Greek	put any item on your head
	t3|NeoGriim	Nice
	Guide|AfroDave	Ok
	T5|AussieDingbat	Did anyone ever use hat?
	Coder|RightLegRed	Kainzo, build them from bedrock <3
	Kainzo	I've been pretty busy with the server stuff - the staff will help test regions to make sure we have something that is suitable for donors
	Mod|Xanipher	they are right
	Kainzo	Exactly RightLegRed|Away
	Coder|RightLegRed	Actually, fuckit. Build a whole new world for vaults.
	Guide|AfroDave	Yes!
	T3|Howdanrocks	RightLegRed they do, but it doesnt fix it
	Coder|RightLegRed	Admin|Lucky, kick RightLegRed|Away
	T5|Greek	bahaha fuckit
	Coder|RightLegRed	I'm on a new bouncer now
06:43	Kainzo	Aussie - thats a possibility
	T5|iFIzzE	Possible Aether?
	Kainzo	So heres our current Donor abilities
	Guide|AfroDave	Aether is skyland
	Kainzo	With each new tier - you build off the previous tier
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	Kainzo	and sometimes you gain new abilities
	T5|draskuul	I figured the rebuilding of the vaults to get around the login location bug had been started two weeks ago at least
	Kainzo	things like /hat /region free Herogates
	T5|Soundmaniac	Offtopic but: The skyland world gen code should be the same as the SSP aether mod, which hasnt been released yet (due to notch)
06:44	Kainzo	Soundmaniac stay on topic
	Kainzo	we'll recap that later
	T5|Soundmaniac	hmk
	T5|AussieDingbat	So what's the "buzz" factor for T6, T5 had free herogates, so ...
	T5|Greek	we still get them
	T5|iFIzzE	t6 = 2 colored names?
	Kainzo	T6 abilities are posted - you gain more LWC limits / etc
	T5|Greek	any chance we will get name changes?
	T5|AussieDingbat	oh ok, so just those ones, fair enough
	Kainzo	The ability to color chat in game (which may need some limitations)
	T5|Greek	or name shortenings?
	T5|FFLaguna	T6 getting drop-straight-to-LWC-chest
06:45	T5|AussieDingbat	Yes, least it end up like /me
	Kainzo	A name change is possible for t6 - but I dont know if thats a good thing
	T5|AussieDingbat	speaking of which ^
	T5|iFIzzE	But isnt there a 250 radius
	T5|Soundmaniac	T6 gets /nuke
	Guide|AfroDave	Kainzo so I could be Dave
	T5|Greek	well i would just make it Greek
	T5|Greek	nothing too bad
	Kainzo	Its possible we can use the name changer for chat - we have it working and it saves on log out
	T5|AussieDingbat	Maybe name change needs a /pe?
	Kainzo	but i dont know if thats a good t6 ability or not
	T5|iFIzzE	t6 gets [MC1200] and [MC1201]
	Kainzo	we will need a discussion on the forums with you guys
	T3|DrShockTrooper	I think it makes a nasty mess
	T5|FFLaguna	Are those arrow launchers?
	T5|Soundmaniac	Maybe that should be something magical :3
	Guide|Gtastuntdude	The ability to change a name could lead to some possible exploits..
	T5|AussieDingbat	Well I wouldn't use it, but I know a few others who would
	T3|DrShockTrooper	I dont think you should persue it
	Kainzo	Just to note - These abilities can change without notice or warning and I will -always- respect the balance of the server over the abilities from Donors
06:46	T5|jwplayer0	i like it, and i have 200$ in my pocket ready for it
	T3|Shortyy	No name change! Maybe a nickname??
	T5|Greek	well i would donate for that (and for the server benefit)
	Banker|Punisher79	bah Kainzo
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	Kainzo	K
	T3|DrShockTrooper	A Title system would be better
	Guide|AfroDave	WHat will be the diffrence between teir 1-3 now then?
	Kainzo	heres what you guys are probably waiting for
	Banker|Punisher79	everyone here donated not to receive perks
	Kainzo	Expect T6 within the week
	Coder|RightLegRed	Thanks Lucky
	T5|Greek	I wouldnt make it like really different from my name
	Kainzo	#10 - Heroes Balance
	T5|Greek	Smiths?
	T5|Soundmaniac	Ah
	T5|iFIzzE	Engineers need more skills
	Kainzo	I will say this
	T5|AussieDingbat	Poor defensless crafters
	T5|AussieDingbat
06:47	Kainzo	The Permission issues we're seeing with the NON-/skill commands WILL be fixed
	t3|NeoGriim	Thank you Aussie.
	T5|Greek	agreed aussies
	Coder|RightLegRed	Kainzo, - gamesurge.net#dhx please
	T5|Soundmaniac	Crafters dont need PVP things
	Kainzo	the main developer for Permissions is in the shitter atm
	Mod|Doreagarde	nor do Healers
	T5|iFIzzE	IC's simply aren't enough
	T5|Greek	yes, they need alittle defnse
	Guide|AfroDave	Smiths need a new skill
	Kainzo	We have 2 more topics to be discussed after balance
	T5|AussieDingbat	Free class change for under level 5?
	T5|Soundmaniac	^
	T5|FFLaguna	Mason makes me very happy, I like the skills it provides.
	T5|jwplayer0	Im thinking merge Engineer and Mason
	T5|Greek	kain today i got repair sword, and it said i had no permission
06:48	Kainzo	We will not be merging Mason / Engineer
	T5|FFLaguna	I'm interested in ICs, but not enough to go straight Engineer.
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	T5|Greek	even after i relogged
	Kainzo	these are two classes that buff each other
	T5|draskuul	One question...why no points at all from logging for specs? Not even 1 xp to match cobble/stone?
	Kainzo	make a friend of the other
	T5|jwplayer0	kk
	Kainzo	If you arent gettting EXP from logging - then your spec may not have the LOGGING exp source
	T5|iFIzzE	Still, Engineers need a bit more.... skills to make them appealing
	Kainzo	in that case - petition it
	Kainzo	err Redmine it
	Kainzo	Logging should be an exp source for the crafter specializations
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06:49	t3|NeoGriim	Mason's aren't getting xp from making gates/lifts and such.
	T5|draskuul	k, thanks
	T5|Greek	cant wait until smith gets exp for /rep
	t3|NeoGriim	Will they ever?
	Guide|AfroDave	Kainzo just an idea
	T5|iFIzzE	News on crafting EXP?
	Guide|AfroDave	WIll it be possible to add weapon buffs?
	Kainzo	Its much harder to place EXP gains from Permission-skills
	T5|AussieDingbat	Should they, they could just keep making gates and stuff from the same sign Neo
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	Kainzo	Crafting EXP - Coder|RightLegRed would have more news about tha tone
	Coder|RightLegRed	Yup typ
	Coder|RightLegRed	yup*
	T5|iFIzzE	So?
	Kainzo	We want crafters to gain exp from crafting X item
	T5|Greek	pvp exp for smiths?
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	Coder|RightLegRed	Well
06:50	Coder|RightLegRed	I have little to say
	Kainzo	Nope Greek - no pvp exp for smiths by design
	T5|Greek	as of now we only get exp for mining
	T5|Soundmaniac	Stop the PVP shit for crafters
	T5|AussieDingbat	Kainzo, any plans to allow people to reclass at low levels for free. We often get people asking in chat if they can change classes because they've picked one they don't like.
	T3|Bl00dmaster	Will alchemists also get exp from cauldrons?
	Guide|AfroDave	I think that would be unfair
	T5|Greek	its extremely hard to level up because all we get is exp for mining
	T3|Shortyy	@Kainzo Will healers get expf rom bandaging other players?
	T5|jwplayer0	alchemist abilities, mass item making, i hate doing things 1by 1 by 1
	Coder|RightLegRed	T5|AussieDingbat, reply with "lolno"
	Guide|AfroDave	I mean I could just gather things and sit next to a cauldron for hours
	t3|NeoGriim	I'm not asking for crafters to become PvP classes, I'm asking for more protection from raiders, such as locked gates and such.
	Guide|AfroDave	Just leveling
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	Kainzo	Exp sources for bandaging / etc are ready to roll out - however, bandage is having a hissy fit and we're outsourcing the skill to a plugin
	T3|Bl00dmaster	Doesn't need to be a lot
06:51	Kainzo	Theres two types of "Skills"
	T5|AussieDingbat	I'm afraid I need to leave, so I'll have to read the rest on the log
	Coder|RightLegRed	Deminishing returns for crafting exp btwe
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	Guide|AfroDave	I think crafters should just bunch together
	Kainzo	Plugins / Heroes skills
	Coder|RightLegRed	btw*
	Kainzo	The plugins skills wont be getting much exp lvoe
	Guide|AfroDave	Make some things out of obsidian
	Guide|AfroDave	Other classes won't be able to replace/
	T5|Greek	well they should get some
	T5|Soundmaniac	Well that requires editing other plugins
	Kainzo	The first 5 PATHS on purpose have 50% faster leveling and also gain exp from all current sources
06:52	Kainzo	The specialziations - by design, do not have the extra bonus on leveling and level slower because they have one source of gain (Sometimes two)
	T5|Greek	PVP is still tough for smiths with iron armor
	Kainzo	I wont say this again
	Kainzo	If you're PVPing as a crafter
	T5|Greek	i would pick a iron sword over diamond chestplate
	Kainzo	you are doing something wrong
	T5|Greek	defense
	T5|jwplayer0	crafter should get no defense or offense
	T5|FFLaguna	Legs
	Kainzo	We wont be making any changes to the crafters in regards to PVP
	T5|Greek	we are getting attacked too much
	T5|Weynard	Paladin
	T5|Weynard	Whats up with that?
	T5|jwplayer0	hire a gaurd
	Kainzo	Hire a guard
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06:53	Kainzo	Weynard - be more specific
	T5|Soundmaniac	Kainzo: You said grinding off spawners was illegal if they couldnt touch you, why not make the spawner block give 100 xp? Its also the rarest block in the game
	t3|NeoGriim	Is it wrong to have raiders coming after you every second you're on the server? No one wants to guard me while I build and stuff.
	Apherdite	What's wrong with paladins? lol
	T5|Greek	Im too poor!
	T5|Weynard	I already posted the resons as to why he is OP
	Kainzo	Rarest block in the game isnt spawners - though close
	T5|Weynard	But I can repeat them
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	T5|Soundmaniac	Rarest block is?
	Kainzo	We've adjusted the cd on invuln
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	Kainzo	On topic damn you
	T5|Soundmaniac	ಠ_ಠ
06:54	T5|Greek	ahh spider webs are
	T5|Weynard	Hrm. The thing is he has Invuln, Soulfire and rion armor
	Architect|Xpeterc1	Sound it's clay atm
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	T5|Weynard	How are you supposed to win against that?
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	T5|Greek	i think spider webs arent even existent
	Kainzo	#10.5 - Heroes Leaderboards and Web interface to track levels/class
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	T5|Soundmaniac	Awesome
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	Coder|RightLegRed	Daimaru is mocking somethign up atm
	Coder|RightLegRed	 BUT - Expect great things
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06:55	Coder|RightLegRed	 Because I'm making Rigby code it
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	Kainzo	Rigby: is a beast
	T5|Greek	lol
	Coder|RightLegRed	But he can't talk
	Kainzo	In regards to the PVP balance btw - Paladins are getting looked at - however dont expect a lot more changes - they already are restricted to stone
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	Coder|RightLegRed	So lets just assume he agrees
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06:56	Kainzo	!v Rigby
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	Rigby	Ye... if you think I'm doing it then you're mad...
	Rigby	That is all...
	Kainzo	Hahah
	Coder|RightLegRed	#10.6 -Making RightLegRed a Wizard
	Kainzo	#11 - Heroes DAMAGE / HP adjustments
	Coder|RightLegRed	I think it's a great idea
	Coder|RightLegRed	Everyone will love it and I'll have fun
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	Kainzo	We will be making changes to the life bars / weapons / armor for heroes
06:57	Guide|AfroDave	Kainzo damage needs to be less
	Mod|Doreagarde	I also think HP adjustments are a great idea, RightLegRed
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	T5|Soundmaniac	Kainzo: You should reduce damage done by everyone and on everything, so PVP would last longer
	Guide|AfroDave	Pvp is to fas
	Guide|AfroDave	*fast
	T5|jwplayer0	hp should be adjusttem from 20 to 100
	Coder|RightLegRed	Also
	Kainzo	the purpose is to lengthen battles, slow down the pvp a bit and make it more enjoyable
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	Kainzo	Soundmaniac - read ^
	T5|jwplayer0	adjusted*
	Coder|RightLegRed	I'm gonna be codan a way for people to have different amounts of health
	T5|draskuul	Definitely needed, seen too many people get 2-shot far too easily
	T5|Soundmaniac	Changing the life bars?
	Rigby	You're going to??? You said it was all done....
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	Kainzo	Diamond's damage is going down
	Banker|Punisher79	lol
	Mod|Doreagarde	*Careful, if hp is put up to 100, then lava becomes like water
	Coder|RightLegRed	No
	Kainzo	and being placed in line
	T5|Soundmaniac	Wtf, thats client side
	Coder|RightLegRed	Rigby, go die
	Kainzo	we do NOT want diamond swords to 2-3 shot people
	Kainzo	we want all combat to be spread out by a bit
06:58	Coder|RightLegRed	I'm being all macho, let me have my 5 minutes of not failing D:
	Coder|RightLegRed	Also #DHX
	Rigby	SoundManiac if you're interested in how we're gonna do it join the coders channel :P.
	t3|NeoGriim	Will this effect how hard monsters are to kill?
	Banker|Punisher79	Kainzo... adjustment for food then?
	T5|Soundmaniac	I cant , im not a DH coder
	T5|Soundmaniac	Im a coder though :3
	Kainzo	Yes
	Kainzo	food will also be adjusted
	Coder|RightLegRed	Coders channel is secret
	Kainzo	food will have use but healers will be much more desired
	Kainzo	by design
	Kainzo	so expect food changes to come in as well
	Banker|Punisher79	nice
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06:59	T5|Soundmaniac	lol ^
	Kainzo	Minecraft is considered a backbone of a game - Heroes will be the frontal area
	T5|Soundmaniac	"T3"
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	Kainzo	the area around the GI-Joe that is smooth
	T5|jwplayer0	food will be more of a outof combat heal correct
		Coder|RightLegRed doesn't know what GI-Joe is
	Mod|Doreagarde	right, now I have that image in my head
	T5|jwplayer0	where helears should be in combat
	T5|draskuul	How will the combat changes impact mobs? Keeping them easy to kill?
	Kainzo	What else needs to be discussed? Open VOICE - we're almost done here
	T5|jwplayer0	healers*
	Banker|Punisher79	Dragoons and "spears"
	Kainzo	Monsters will get an increase in difficulty
	Coder|RightLegRed	Kainzo, making RLR a wizard
	Banker|Punisher79	same as diamond swords?
	Kainzo	Dragoons get bonus from Shoveling shit
	Coder|RightLegRed	<3
07:00	Kainzo	Shoveling, shit*
	t3|NeoGriim	Crafters and defensive structures.
	Kainzo	Close Punisher - but not exact
	Banker|Punisher79	ty
	Kainzo	Also - in regards to BALANCE
	Coder|RightLegRed	I intend making a skill which allows people to throw arrows
	Coder|RightLegRed	Like a spear
	Kainzo	Ninjas/Thiefs/Beastmasters are getting some love soon
07:01	Kainzo	Thieves are going to be stealing on attacks - maybe taking coin on death
	Kainzo	Admin|Lucky: - remove voice req
	Coder|RightLegRed	Kainzo, /mode -m
	Coder|RightLegRed	or /mode #herocraft -m
	Kainzo	No access - despite me being op
	Banker|Punisher79	so...... rings? lol, I know I know.... but my cits asked me to say it
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	Banker|Punisher79	dont ban me
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	Kainzo	there we go
	Trizze	Are monks going to get some love? Especially their bandage spell?
	T5|Greek	./rocket punisher
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	Banker|Punisher79	lol, greek
	Kainzo	Rings will be coming up with the Township plugin - shortly after DHX releases
	T3|Shortyy	ff
	recknod	bloodmages could use some looking at as well as monks
	T5|FFLaguna	Yes?
	t3|NeoGriim	But DHX is tonight, right?
	Proctor|Figgys	Shall I post logs now? Or some chat still happening?
	Kainzo	Monk is a strange class to balance for - they get innate bonus to damage with fists, wear leather armor and dont take falling damage
	Banker|Punisher79	woot!
07:03	T3|Shortyy	Ok, Kainzo, what about adding milestones/achievements for PVP? Like if u kill x amount of people, u get a bonus
	Banker|Punisher79	buying all gold.... for 5c
	Kainzo	Bloodmages get a range of abilities - they are more of the caster healer
	Mod|Doreagarde	in a bit, Proctor|Figgys, this is the open discussion part of the meeting
	Coder|RightLegRed	T3|Shortyy, leave achievements on Xbox live please
	Kainzo	Achievements - we're looking at adding in tracking - but right now - Heroes doesnt do that.
	Coder|RightLegRed
	Coder|RightLegRed	Really?
	Kainzo	another plugin can easily trakc PVP kills
	Coder|RightLegRed	I don't wanna make achievements ):
	T3|Shortyy	Ok thanks sounds good ty
	Kainzo	and we can put that on the web interface
	Coder|RightLegRed	Rigby ^
07:04	Maxilimus	So, what specs have the highest priority on getting skills and which the least?
	Rigby	./facepalm
	Banker|Punisher79	i think achievements could be fun
	Coder|RightLegRed	Rigby, I'll just remove commit access, you may now finish Heroes.
	Kainzo	We're looking at having 6-10 skills per spec
	Rigby	I'll just remove your life
	Kainzo	between levels 10-50
	Coder|RightLegRed	Maxilimus, atm it's "what I feel like doing"
	recknod	i dont see a level 1 caster abilty and a self damaging heal as viable
	Coder|RightLegRed	Rigby, I removed your v
	Drev	"RightLegRaider: Kill RightLegRed 25 times" [Achievement]
	t3|NeoGriim	lol
	Maxilimus	and what about the base paths. Are they getting some more skills early on too? Rogue with sneak from 1-50 is kinda bland for example
07:05	Coder|RightLegRed	"Wizardy: You made RightLegRed a Wizard!"
	Kainzo	The balance game isnt an easy fight to fight - we're working on it - cooldowns/mana costs have been adjusted
	Coder|RightLegRed	Kainzo ^
	Kainzo	How do you guys feel about hte EXP ratio?
	T5|Soundmaniac	Coder|RightLegRed: Why havent you fixed the fireball hitting yourself thing yet?
	Kainzo	And yes - the base 5 paths are going to get some skills - but its lowest on priority
	Banker|Punisher79	lol, i heard about this too
	Drev	Leveling on mobs as a combat class is far slower then leveling a master crafter path
	T3|Shortyy	It needs a little more exp right now since so many people ar either low lvl or high lvl
	Coder|RightLegRed	T5|Soundmaniac, because it's funny
	t3|NeoGriim	Masons should get a boost if their skills aren't going to be giving them xp.
	recknod	combat leveling is at a major disadvantage until neither
	Banker|Punisher79	throw a fireball while running.... set yourself on fire
	T5|jwplayer0	i havent check lately, but obisidian needs a slight boost in xp
	Kainzo	We'll look at granting Monsters more EXP so its a bit faster
	recknod	as you can tell by all crafter specs being lvl 50
07:06	Trizze	I think mining gives too much exp if you compare it to monster exp
	Kainzo	Theres a few ninja's mastered
	recknod	and only 1 combat spec masterd
	Kainzo	and necros
	Kainzo	so it cant be all that bad
	Drev	one of each I think
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	Maxilimus	exp seems a bit inconsistent. Mobs give little exp compared to smacking a rock of coal. Coal is also worth a lot more exp than say iron which is odd. I know why but its still not right
	Coder|RightLegRed	I have yet to log on today
	Coder|RightLegRed	I want to check my base
	recknod	not if you have a double skele spawner room i cant be. but i have yet to find one of those
	Kainzo	---------------- Please state if you have any questions or want to rehash on a topic --------------------
	Coder|RightLegRed	I do
	t3|NeoGriim	Wizard?
07:07	Coder|RightLegRed	Lemme grab the mind
	Coder|RightLegRed	link*
	T3|Shortyy	Can we get more class skills?
	T5|jwplayer0	is their a way to possible change the shape of cauldrons
	Maxilimus	If you would. I would appreciate if you could do a run down on your views on each spec/path
	Kainzo	As I said previously
	ricecakes394	What are your plans for thief besides a stealing ability?
	Kainzo	we're aiming for having 6-10 skills per spec when done
	Coder|Shadrxninga	TownShips - I was away for the first part of the meeting. Or can I get a transcript
	Kainzo	leaving room for more as well
	Trizze	Will alchemists keep their /sneak spell?
	Coder|RightLegRed	This - [00:50:02] auREAXiki [[email protected]] has joined #/g/sicp
	Coder|RightLegRed	[00:52:28] <@Manhose> the larger problem is using msn
	Coder|RightLegRed	[00:52:33] <@Manhose> also, stream via grooveshark
	T3|Shortyy	Oh ok, i didnt see that, thanks
	Coder|RightLegRed	Damn IRC
	T5|Soundmaniac	The base caster needs more love :[
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	Coder|RightLegRed	This - http://redmine.dthielke.com/issues/242
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	T3|Shortyy	Yeah warrior base needs more skills, tuant is kinda useless
	Banker|Punisher79	how about lower LWC cost for Mayors? Or is that part of the Township plugin?
07:08	Kainzo	because you're a whore!
	Coder|RightLegRed	Kainzo, I'll stop asking if you give me Wizard
	T5|jwplayer0	Im thinking the cauldron should be 3x3 instead the 1x1, i often pick up my materials before i can right click the glass
	t5|TrinityDown	I'm you're whore kain!
	Coder|RightLegRed	Else I'll code every skill to be piggify
	Coder|RightLegRed	>:D
	Kainzo	The cauldron is outsourced to falsebook
	Kainzo	not something we have design control over
	T5|jwplayer0	kk
	Trizze	When are leaderboards coming up? you didnt't say anything about that
	T3|Bl00dmaster	You can just make several cauldrons, drop it and run away to another and repeat and can make stuff
07:09	T3|Shortyy	Warrior base needs more skills
	T5|Soundmaniac	no
	Kainzo	Actually - we did TRizze
	Kainzo	that was topic #10.5
	Drev	Will we be able to rent shops in Zeal after DHX is up tonight? or later?
	Kainzo	Leaderboards are going to have a front end website design
	Trizze	Okay, I'll check
	Kainzo	you'll be able to view Classes/EXP/Kills etc
	Kainzo	via that
	T5|Soundmaniac	Caster base needs another skill
	ricecakes394	Shops in zeal would be nice
	Trizze	what about blocks destroyed?
	T5|jwplayer0	yeah, when will zeal shops be up, i need one
07:10	Kainzo	You must understand - that granting even ONE skill to the first PATH means we grant 5 new skills in total
	Maxilimus	everything base needs more skills
	T3|Shortyy	=/ true
	Kainzo	The specializations inherit skills
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	Kainzo	we can make them not inherit and grant more - but thats a massive balance thing
	Drev	Base classes need more skills, but focused more on frills
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	T5|Soundmaniac	It should be more like a point system, like most RPG's. you get a point, you unlock a skill.
	Kainzo	if we grant more skills - we're going to slow down the leveling of the first 5 paths
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	T3|Shortyy	ohh nvm
	Maxilimus	the base could also use with an additional reduction on the exp they need to level. To get the classes more interesting early on
	Drev	an idea I had that would fit all casters for example, would be a light spell
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	Drev	that doesnt add to the potency of pvp but adds something to look forward to
	T5|jwplayer0	sound, this isnt rift, though i wish it was, we dont have enough skills for a point system yet
	Coder|RightLegRed	T5|Soundmaniac, you go code 100x20x5 skills.
	T4|Kaosi	I didn't see this, but did you go over giving Crafters EXP from crafting things? Or is that just a rumor?
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	Kainzo	We have 25-30 spells not granted, btw
	T5|Soundmaniac	Also, Coder|RightLegRed needs to add some sort of updatetick so I can code sustained modes
	Kainzo	from MAgicSpells plugin
	Banker|Punisher79	woot!
	Trizze	They did Kaosi
07:12	Coder|RightLegRed	T5|Soundmaniac, what for..?
	Kainzo	Yes Crafters will grant EXP from crafting items - its in the works but its not an easy thing to do
	Banker|Punisher79	Banker spell = Turn Iron Ignots into Gold Ore
	Kainzo	Anything else to be discussed?
	Kainzo	the table is open to everyone - dont be shy
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	T5|Soundmaniac	Example: Stoneskin = sustained mode, higher defense but lower speed, the speed part is in the update tick
	T5|jwplayer0	http://redmine.dthielke.com/issues/240
	T5|jwplayer0	go to that link
	T5|jwplayer0	and discuss that
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	Coder|RightLegRed	T5|jwplayer0, nope
	T5|jwplayer0	dammn
	Banker|Punisher79	Great job so far coders....
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	Coder|RightLegRed	I'm snowed under atm
	Banker|Punisher79	Heroes is awesome
	Kainzo	We have been working on Heroes for a long time
	Kainzo	Its not "done"
	Kainzo	but it is at a playable level
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	Kainzo	which is why its released internally
	T5|jwplayer0	the source is already their, all you need to do is corrilate the mana to work with the client mana
	Banker|Punisher79	lol, ive been asking for Heroes for a long time
	Coder|RightLegRed	They might be a client mod
	T5|Soundmaniac	optional
	Coder|RightLegRed	Nope
	Coder|RightLegRed	Gonna force you to use it
	T5|Soundmaniac	...
	Drev	I petition to make RLR a wizard so he can spend more time coding and less time leveling
	T5|Soundmaniac	lol
	Coder|RightLegRed	Also will steal passwords
07:14	Banker|Punisher79	So...... who gets the check when Notch buys Heroes Plugin from us?
	Coder|RightLegRed	Drev, <3
	Kainzo	When we get more control over what we can do to the client
	Kainzo	expect forced downloads
	T4|Kaosi	Oh, is it true that you guys have plans for a Disposable Heroes client?
	Kainzo	We're going to reskin everything to
	Kainzo
	T5|jwplayer0	=D
	T4|Kaosi	Oh, derp
	Coder|RightLegRed	and always seeing me as a Wizard, even though I'm not
	Kainzo	ohhhh
	Kainzo	#12 - Herocraft Contest #3
	Maxilimus	Are player made, non-necro nether portals going to have any use?
	Banker|Punisher79	lol
	T5|jwplayer0	Lets start one npw
	T5|jwplayer0	now*
	Kainzo	We're going to have a texture pack contest
	Coder|RightLegRed	Texture packs <3
07:15	Kainzo	For an official Herocraft Texture pack - between 16/32
	T5|Victim130	Sweet
	T5|Victim130	I also have returned
	T5|Soundmaniac	what about 2x2 :[
	Trizze	Does it have to be hi-res?
	T5|jwplayer0	damit, i only use 256 packs
	T5|Victim130	I am willing to make one :3
	Kainzo	 16 is low res
	Drev	should have one for each
	T5|Soundmaniac	32x32 requires Xau's
	Kainzo	its going to be 16 to 32 - whatever doesnt require a client side mod or modloader / etc
	Drev	I love 32 but some people get bad performance on it
	T5|jwplayer0	16 then
	Kainzo	anyways - I'll make a post soon about it
	Banker|Punisher79	naw.... 32 is easy money
07:16	Kainzo	it'll be the official texture pack
	Banker|Punisher79	just restrict Java draw
	T5|Victim130	lol
	Kainzo	This meeting is adjourned - if you want to continue to ask questions - please feel free
	Trizze	Will you hold events and stuff?
	T5|FFLaguna	Thanks, Kainzo
	Trizze	Like speed building contests?
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	Trizze	That would be so fun
	Banker|Punisher79	OH!
	Drev	the 32x32 mod is very easy to use, also, keep that in mind
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	Banker|Punisher79	i have a new Question
	Trizze	Or maybe wars?
	Trizze	16vs16?
	Kainzo	We're looking at holding more Staff sponsored quests/events/contests
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	Coder|RightLegRed	Kainzo, dhx please.
	Mod|Xanipher	i hate pvp in towns, kthx
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	Kainzo	to make things more interact
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	Mod|Xanipher	that is all
	T5|Victim130	What is the 32 texture pack mod?
	Banker|Punisher79	do we need a new advertisment for the server, now that the old one is outdated?
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	Coder|RightLegRed	Oh
	T5|Victim130	Oh Kain I have a proposition
	T5|jwplayer0	kain, 32x and up all use the same patcher now, and dont require mod loader
	Kainzo	Yeah we do need a new heroes video
	Coder|RightLegRed	I want a video for Heroes release too
	Banker|Punisher79	sweet
	T5|Soundmaniac	We need a good heroes video T_T
	Banker|Punisher79	contest #2
	T5|Soundmaniac	*goog*
	T5|Soundmaniac	*good**
	T5|Victim130	About putting more into the world for players to fear or have to interact with