Coty Enters Stage 2 then Stage 3 Of Grief; Currently Stage 4

6:41 PM - Coty: my favorite is that third one
6:42 PM - Coty: But yeah, honestly I think if we just say "1 rule: no [EXPLOIT] or else entire faction will be nuked" we'll be ok
6:42 PM - Coty: the server doesn't last long enough to justify spending like 2-3 days tracking down how to fix it and implementing a fix
6:42 PM - /sci/ MonkeysInSpace: dude we're gonna use these to [EXPLOIT]
6:43 PM - Coty: pls no
6:43 PM - Coty: its flat out [EXPLOIT]
6:43 PM - /sci/ MonkeysInSpace: we're going to build a [EXPLOIT]
6:43 PM - /sci/ MonkeysInSpace: its going to be a great [EXPLOIT]
6:43 PM - Coty: lol
6:43 PM - Coty: honestly I guess I dont really care unless it ends up being used for pvp
6:43 PM - Coty: but its a fine line
6:44 PM - /sci/ MonkeysInSpace: you realize though that [EXPLOIT] isn't exactly the problem right?
6:44 PM - /sci/ MonkeysInSpace: the base I showed you, that actually was after a trivial amount of farmed TNT
6:44 PM - Coty: right, on non reinforced blocks
6:44 PM - /sci/ MonkeysInSpace: Factions just never let get people close enough
6:45 PM - Coty: its fine to break in with tnt, thats the whole point
6:45 PM - /sci/ MonkeysInSpace: how reinforced coty
6:45 PM - Coty: thats still to be decided I suppose. The assumption will be tnt exploding exactly where you want though, so I imagine they'll take a lot more tnt than usual to break in
6:45 PM - Coty: not the guessing game of canons, per say
6:46 PM - /sci/ MonkeysInSpace: Coty, how much is it going to be to reinforce
6:46 PM - /sci/ MonkeysInSpace: ie
6:46 PM - /sci/ MonkeysInSpace: how many breaks of TNT
6:46 PM - /sci/ MonkeysInSpace: does an iron ingot add
6:47 PM - Coty: still totally undecided because I haven't looked into how much tnt has changed since the last time I've played, I still need to do testing of my own
6:47 PM - /sci/ MonkeysInSpace: you know you can also [EXPLOIT] doors [EXPLOIT] correct?
6:47 PM - /sci/ MonkeysInSpace: iron doors
6:48 PM - Coty: minecraft was a mistake
6:48 PM - /sci/ MonkeysInSpace: why do you think
6:48 PM - /sci/ MonkeysInSpace: that all the /tg/ bases
6:48 PM - /sci/ MonkeysInSpace: had piston doors
6:48 PM - /sci/ MonkeysInSpace: and/or [EXPLOIT]
6:48 PM - /sci/ MonkeysInSpace: did you know you can [EXPLOIT]?
6:49 PM - Coty: I like how you complain to me as if I control the shitcode that is minecraft lol
6:50 PM - /sci/ MonkeysInSpace: because your claiming system
6:50 PM - /sci/ MonkeysInSpace: runs far closer to vanilla
6:50 PM - /sci/ MonkeysInSpace: than Factions
6:50 PM - /sci/ MonkeysInSpace: these are issues in factions, but not fatal flaws
6:50 PM - Coty: going [EXPLOIT] and [EXPLOIT] is still affecting regular faction claims
6:50 PM - /sci/ MonkeysInSpace: with your schema its fatal
6:50 PM - /sci/ MonkeysInSpace: you can't make piston doors in your schema coty
6:51 PM - Coty: you're pointing out faults in the core of minecraft and saying that my claims idea is totally busted because of it - rather than offering to help dev the plugin to fix the exploits
6:51 PM - Coty: jee I wonder why I don't care more
6:51 PM - /sci/ MonkeysInSpace: Factions actually attempted to fix [EXPLOIT]
6:52 PM - /sci/ MonkeysInSpace: it doesn't work
6:52 PM - /sci/ MonkeysInSpace: wanna see the method?
6:52 PM - Coty: tbh I don't care
6:52 PM - Coty: the alternative would be to just say "using these exploits will = faction wide ban"
6:52 PM - Coty: because after 9 4crafts I'm really not to far off from making a stupid rule list to deal with it, as much as I hate them
6:53 PM - /sci/ MonkeysInSpace: [BIG ASS CODE BLOB PASTE]
6:53 PM - Coty: especially since we can potentially have madmins on 24/7
6:53 PM - /sci/ MonkeysInSpace: heads up, their attempt doesn't work
6:53 PM - Coty: man that garbage code
6:53 PM - Coty: also did you read what I said
6:53 PM - Coty: literally don't care about that exploit or Faction's "fix" for it
6:53 PM - /sci/ MonkeysInSpace: your solution is active moderation
6:53 PM - /sci/ MonkeysInSpace: thats reactive, not proactive
6:54 PM - Coty: yeah, I don't plan on spending days fixing a ton of exploits in code
6:54 PM - Coty: when the server will only run for 2 weeks max
6:55 PM - /sci/ MonkeysInSpace: question
6:55 PM - /sci/ MonkeysInSpace: how will someone prove someone [EXPLOIT]
6:55 PM - Coty: either by recording it, or by an admin happening to catch it while flying around invisible watching
6:55 PM - Coty: its pretty common for people to 24/7 record their 4craft playsessions
6:56 PM - /sci/ MonkeysInSpace: ok
6:56 PM - /sci/ MonkeysInSpace: what if they do it at 3AM
6:56 PM - /sci/ MonkeysInSpace: the meme shit to prevent block breaking is up
6:56 PM - /sci/ MonkeysInSpace: everyones off
6:56 PM - /sci/ MonkeysInSpace: they [EXPLOIT]
6:56 PM - /sci/ MonkeysInSpace: grab all your shit
6:56 PM - /sci/ MonkeysInSpace: run off
6:57 PM - /sci/ MonkeysInSpace: who do you blame coty
6:57 PM - Coty: minecraft for being a shitty game lol
6:57 PM - /sci/ MonkeysInSpace: Not yourself for preventing piston doors?
6:57 PM - Coty: I guess we could log on the server who breaks beds or toggles the protection block
6:57 PM - Coty: log time/position/type/player
6:57 PM - Coty: so in the morning / next day after shit has been fucked I look at who did it, then ban the entire faction
6:57 PM - /sci/ MonkeysInSpace: for all you know the faction left the door open
6:58 PM - Coty: :^) for all I know I don't care
6:59 PM - /sci/ MonkeysInSpace: hey coty don't you encourage spies?
6:59 PM - /sci/ MonkeysInSpace: whats stopping us from making alts on VPNs and getting into enemy factions
6:59 PM - /sci/ MonkeysInSpace: then using exploits?
6:59 PM - /sci/ MonkeysInSpace: theres more exploits than that mind you
6:59 PM - Coty: factions vetting each other I suppose, being paranoid
6:59 PM - /sci/ MonkeysInSpace: we just showed you the deadly one
6:59 PM - Coty: nigga
6:59 PM - Coty: do you want 4craft or not
6:59 PM - /sci/ MonkeysInSpace: so wait wait
6:59 PM - Coty: I don't get your goal here
6:59 PM - /sci/ MonkeysInSpace: we can totally
6:59 PM - /sci/ MonkeysInSpace: kill off a faction
7:00 PM - /sci/ MonkeysInSpace: get all of them banned
7:00 PM - Coty: do you want me to just go "no more 4craft"
7:00 PM - Coty: or what
7:00 PM - /sci/ MonkeysInSpace: by having one guy do a meme?
7:00 PM - /sci/ MonkeysInSpace: no
7:00 PM - /sci/ MonkeysInSpace: I want you to realize
7:00 PM - /sci/ MonkeysInSpace: your protection schema
7:00 PM - /sci/ MonkeysInSpace: is retarded
7:00 PM - /sci/ MonkeysInSpace: and we should just do cyclical
7:00 PM - Coty: well I really don't want to spend all of my monday night going over what ifs over a server that will last 2 weeks max
7:00 PM - Coty: people are going to cheat and exploit
7:00 PM - /sci/ MonkeysInSpace: you're spending
7:00 PM - Coty: thats 4craft
7:00 PM - /sci/ MonkeysInSpace: weeks developing a custom plugin
7:00 PM - /sci/ MonkeysInSpace: rather than just doing cyclical
7:00 PM - Coty: I'm spending like an hour a day max
7:01 PM - /sci/ MonkeysInSpace: something I already developed
7:01 PM - Coty: which I just spend talking with you over it instead of just devving it
7:01 PM - Coty: "developed"
7:01 PM - Coty: I have yet to see '''nodes''' in action on a large scale, or even at all
7:01 PM - /sci/ MonkeysInSpace: yes I got cyclical working
7:01 PM - /sci/ MonkeysInSpace: Cyclical not nodes m8
7:01 PM - Coty: last I heard of it was 6 months ago
7:01 PM - Coty: well why did you wait so long to open 4craft then?
7:01 PM - /sci/ MonkeysInSpace: bugs in 1.9
7:02 PM - Coty: >
7:02 PM - /sci/ MonkeysInSpace: then when the bugs got fixed
7:02 PM - Coty: bugs that wont be fixed
7:02 PM - /sci/ MonkeysInSpace: Archie got out of money
7:02 PM - Coty: because minecraft is garbage
7:02 PM - /sci/ MonkeysInSpace: and Lemon's mom died
7:02 PM - /sci/ MonkeysInSpace: then you come in
7:02 PM - /sci/ MonkeysInSpace: and start doing your shit meme idea
7:02 PM - /sci/ MonkeysInSpace: we wanted this fuck to go up in April
7:02 PM - /sci/ MonkeysInSpace: Cyclical was the idea of having two configs
7:02 PM - /sci/ MonkeysInSpace: a peace and war period
7:02 PM - /sci/ MonkeysInSpace: you know how trivial it is in factions