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  4. DAVID WATSON AKA SAM THE SKUNKMAN AKA SAM SELEZNY AKA Dr. FrankenbeanStein AKA Dr. FrankenWeedStein AKA King of Snitchcraft
  5.  
  6. He Is Quickly Becoming The King Of Copyrighted Strain Genetics
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  8.  
  9. I will begin with the smoking gun as to his bust
  10.  
  11. Here is an interview with Mel Frank. In the video, Mel talks about his friend from
  12. California, a very good marijuana breeder he says, who was busted twice and
  13. ultimately went to the Netherlands. This friend is alleged to have brought Skunk #1,
  14. Haze, Durban Poison and Afghani #1 to Holland.
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  16. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qvkcfrcXmMM
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  18.  
  19. Now, on with the show.
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  22. http://www.trouw.nl/tr/nl/5009/Archief/archief/article/detail/2479440/1998/03/14/Watson-Mijn-bedrijf-is-geen-witwasmachine.dhtml
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  24. [quote]In september 1994 kreeg HortaPharm BV opiumverlof van het ministerie van
  25. volksgezondheid. Het bedrijf van Watson mocht Tetrahydrocannabinol (THC) gebruiken
  26. voor chemisch analytisch onderzoek. THC is een van de stoffen uit de hennepplant die
  27. als medicijn gebruikt kunnen worden. Het verlof werd alleen voor het onderzoek
  28. gegeven, niet voor het telen van marihuana. Ook het toedienen bij de mens van THC is
  29. niet toegestaan. Vorig jaar september liep het verlof af en een tweede verzoek is
  30. afgewezen. In kort geding bestreed Watson zonder succes die beslissing en nu dient
  31. zijn hoger beroep. Daarnaast is Watson ook in beroep gegaan bij het College van
  32. beroep. Een advies over de zaak dat nu op het bureau van de minister ligt, stelt
  33. Watson opnieuw in het ongelijk. Watson kan op die laatste stand van zaken geen
  34. commentaar geven. Hij krijgt volgende week pas officieel antwoord. Dat het advies al
  35. is uitgelekt, ziet hij als een hernieuwde blijk van stemmingmakerij tegen zijn
  36. bedrijf. “Blijkbaar is het de bedoeling om de grond onder mijn bedrijf vandaan te
  37. halen”. Al maanden voelt Watson zich met de rug tegen de muur staan en moet hij zich
  38. voor allerlei zaken verdedigen. Zo werd, ook in Kamervragen, gewezen op het feit dat
  39. hij voorkomt in de computer van justitie in Santa Cruz, Californië. Hij zou ruim
  40. dertien jaar geleden zijn opgepakt voor het kweken van hennep. Watson heeft voor die
  41. affaire een advocaat in de arm genomen. Die heeft deze week in Santa Cruz een zaak
  42. aangespannen met als doel de naam van zijn cliënt te zuiveren. Volgens een
  43. medewerkster van advocaat R. Schentz staat Watson in de computer, maar dat is dan ook
  44. alles. Er is geen rechtszaak geweest, en dus ook geen veroordeling. “Ik was de dag
  45. van de arrestatie niet eens in Santa Cruz, maar in Nederland”, is Watsons commentaar.
  46. [/quote]
  47.  
  48.  
  49. [quote=google translate]
  50. In September 1994 was HortaPharm BV opium license from the Ministry of Health. The
  51. company Watson was Tetrahydrocannabinol (THC) for chemical analytical research. THC
  52. is one of the substances from the hemp plant which may be used as a medicine. The
  53. leave was given only for research, not for growing marijuana. Also, the
  54. administration in man of THC is not allowed. Last September the leave expired and a
  55. second request was rejected. Interim relief Watson fought unsuccessfully that
  56. decision and now serves his appeal. In addition, Watson has also appealed to the
  57. Board of Appeal. An opinion on the case that is now on the desk of the minister,
  58. Watson argues again unsuccessful. Watson can give to that state of affairs no
  59. comment. He will next week only official response. That the advice has already been
  60. leaked, he sees as a renewed expression of animus against his company. "Apparently,
  61. it is the intention to extract from the ground under my company". For months Watson
  62. feels with their backs against the wall and he must defend himself for everything.
  63. Was so, even in a parliamentary question, pointed to the fact that it appears in the
  64. computer prosecutor in Santa Cruz, California. He would have been arrested over
  65. thirteen years ago for growing hemp. Watson for the affair took a lawyer. Who has
  66. this week in Santa Cruz filed a case with the aim of purifying the name of his
  67. client. According to an employee of attorney R. Schentz stands Watson in the
  68. computer, but that is all. There has been no litigation, and therefore no
  69. condemnation. "I was the day of the arrest, not even in Santa Cruz, but in the
  70. Netherlands," is Watson's comments.[/quote]
  71.  
  72.  
  73. Not the best translation, but his lawyer was unable to get his name removed in the
  74. dutch court proceedings, he at least admits there was a bust in Santa Cruz which he
  75. now says never happened.
  76.  
  77. [img]http://oi60.tinypic.com/fm3t4g.jpg[/img]
  78.  
  79.  
  80. Do you know what exact bust is Sam referring to when he said he wasn't even in the
  81. US? Is it the Sacred Seeds bust? Sam claims that he never got busted and never served
  82. a day in jail. He also said he was the only founding member of Sacred Seeds he has
  83. never mentioned any other growers/members in S.Seeds. If noone else was a member then
  84. who did the police bust in the US since Sam claims he was in Holland at the time?
  85.  
  86. LOL
  87.  
  88. Sam did not start The Sacred Seeds Collective... it dates back to pre-illegalisation
  89. and had seed stored at that time that went all the way back to seeds imported in the
  90. teens and early twenties for the then legal market.
  91. Sam The Skunkman and also Romulan Joe formerly known as Mendocino Joe are both
  92. snitches and thieves who ran off with genetics they did not develop and then claimed
  93. the genetics and made beaucoup money. The ONLY thing Sam did with Skunk #1 was to
  94. remove the skunk from it, yet he has the nerve to use the name "Skunkman".
  95.  
  96. Watson was never anything more than a hangaround with Sacred Seeds and Joe was a
  97. hangaround who could not make the grade to gain a patch with several East Bay Biker
  98. groups who fell in with the Korean War vets who brought what became Romulan back
  99. during the Korean War and carefully cultivated and selected in greenhouses in the
  100. East Bay and South Bay for a decade and a half before Joe showed up.
  101.  
  102. Sam the Skunkman was in fact present for the famous Santa Cruz bust of Sacred Seeds. Somehow
  103. he got out before anybody else. Long before. And somehow the DEA threw all the seeds,
  104. stored pollen, equipment and whole plants into a dumpster and left it guarded by
  105. nothing but crime scene tape. And then Sam disappeared. Along with a big chunk of the
  106. Sacred Seeds seed bank.
  107.  
  108.  
  109. [quote=Shantibaba]
  110. Hi All
  111.  
  112. listen as it is a touchy topic depending upon the side of the water you are on,
  113. let`s call it a difference of opinion based on similar evidence. The point to all of
  114. this is that certain things are documented well and have been covered in Holland by a
  115. radio program that authenticated their facts before going to air. Make of it what you
  116. wish to believe and let`s be civilised in discussion or remain silent. I do not wish
  117. to begin to tell off people or ban them so please do not make me start....all the
  118. best Sb
  119.  
  120. Sam and Nevil use to work a bit on strains together but when it was revealed that Sam
  121. and his crew of Americans in Holland all were part of informants for the DEA in
  122. America on a radio program in Holland they split to the UK to do other things. Sam
  123. never started or owned a seed company so his claim to all the strains that became
  124. famous years ago are not really warranted.[/quote]
  125.  
  126.  
  127. Contacting VPRO Argos about the dutch radio station broadcast, below is a very basic
  128. summary of the facts surrounding the VPRO Argos broadcast that is mentioned in the
  129. Dutch Parliamentary records which also spurred a wave of interest in the Dutch media.
  130.  
  131. [img]http://oi58.tinypic.com/33n9ug5.jpg[/img]
  132.  
  133. I can't help but notice that the VPRO accepts the possibility that the info about the
  134. case may be imprecise if Sam's legal name is different. On the other hand if the
  135. sheriff gave them such info it may well be valid and true..and probably is
  136. considering all the facts.
  137.  
  138.  
  139.  
  140. [quote]
  141. Thanks to Uncle Sam
  142.  
  143.  
  144. After 1985 de quality of Nederwiet improved tremendously. Currently "our" wiet is
  145. considered to be the best. Is that because of Sam Selezny, alias David Watson, the
  146. super breeder from the states? Or is he under orders?
  147.  
  148. Report: Bas Barkman and Gert Hage
  149.  
  150. It was a lovely day, spring 1985, when a heavily built American landed at Schiphol
  151. airport. He wore glasses, his long blond hair kept together wih an elastic band.
  152. Without problems he passed customs and shortly afterwards received a warm welcome
  153. from another equally heavily built American.
  154. Seemingly nothing special, certainly not in the crowded arrivals area of an airport.
  155. No one could have known that the lugage of the ponytailed man contained a box full of
  156. seeds- Cannabis seeds.
  157.  
  158. The box was the reason for Sam Selezny's trip to Holland. He was here by invitation
  159. from two pioneers in the weedgrowing industry. Two companions: Michael Taylor and
  160. Wernard Bruining, the owner of the first coffeeshop in Amsterdam. Although they
  161. already grew some nederwiet, the quality of it was not particulairly special, the
  162. knowledge they possessed of growing wasn't extensive enough.
  163.  
  164. During that time in Holland, there were probably no more than three big growing
  165. sites, covering a total a maximum of two thousand square meters. In coffeeshops
  166. Marrocan hash was still the most popular.
  167. Sam Selezny, the super grower from the states, as Taylor had announced him to
  168. Bruining, would change this.
  169. It proved to be true. Hardly three months after his arrival the first harvest from
  170. Fat Sam's seeds could be smoked. The connoisseurs where excited, the wiet tasted
  171. good, with a "high" high.
  172.  
  173.  
  174. Hardly anyone knew at that time, especially not in Holland, that Sam Selezny, who in
  175. Holland presented himself mainly under the name David Watson, was arrested on the
  176. 20th of march that same year in Santa Cruz, California.
  177.  
  178. It was nine years later in the summer of 1994, when Mario Lap, at that time working
  179. for the Dutch Alcohol and Drugs Institute, tapped Hedy D'acona on the shoulder in
  180. Brussels.
  181. "Hedy, can you tell me why you provided David Watson with a license (to grow)?" Lap
  182. asked the newly appointed MEP and former minister of Health. Lap had only just before
  183. that found out, to his utter astonishment, that Watson, who he only knew by the name
  184. of Selezny, was granted a license to grow marijuana for scientific purposes.
  185. Why on earth Watson, a man with what he had heard a shady past in the states as
  186. illegal grower, a man who also had been detained and who certainly was not a
  187. scientist?
  188. And why not the Academic Medical Center in Amsterdam, which had been after a license
  189. for years to research the medical workings of the plant?
  190. MEP D"Ancona didn't know.
  191. The ministry itself couln't provide Lap with any clearance on the licence which had
  192. been granted on 16th of september 1994, signed by "plaatsvervangend" director general
  193. of health, Drs RJ Samsom.
  194. Lap; "I couldn't find out how it had happened. Very strange. A bit scary too."
  195. In two big greenhouses in Rijsenhout, a village near Schiphol airport, the process
  196. was already under way to develop a cannabis plant with a high THC content, which in
  197. due course could be used as a basis for medicine. Or rather, it was on those terms
  198. that, after years of negotiating, the license was granted.
  199. Three years, with limiting conditions; only chemical analytical research, not more
  200. than 10 grams of THC and a spotless administration.
  201.  
  202. The office and lab of Hortapharm are based in Schinkelhavenkade in Amsterdam. A
  203. little green building, a big window which in the evenings is covered with a steel
  204. sliding door. Inside it smells of fresh wiet. David Watson is on his guard. He wants
  205. to talk, but demands the final say on every sentence written about his firm. It is
  206. the end of September and Watson is waiting for the decision on the renewal of his
  207. license. "I want to continue with my research" he says, "I cannot use any publicity
  208. which might be possibly disadvantageous to my business.
  209. He is startled when he hears we know the location of his greenhouse. "There are
  210. millions worth of plants and apparatus, no one is allowed to know."
  211. Hanging on the wall behind him are 5 licences, granted by the DEA, a worldwide
  212. operating organization, whose task it is to fight drugs.
  213. Watson doesn't receive his longed for renewal of his license.
  214. The ministry announces at the end of September that, since the minister forbids the
  215. medical supply of cannabis, a license to grow cannabis is no longer in line with the
  216. health ministries' policies. Besides that, during repeated inspections of Hortapharm,
  217. it was found the Admin was not run according to the requirements. The decision is
  218. definite, the two locations where hortapharm is based have to close their doors. On
  219. 29 October the Ministery confirms their decision in writing to Hortapharm: The head
  220. officials of Justice in Haarlem and Amsterdam have been informed of the fact the
  221. license has now expired.
  222.  
  223. On Schinkelhavenkade however, it is business as usual, the director and only
  224. shareholder told us last Monday. He saw the decision of the minister in a different
  225. light. "There are people who want it that way" he said, was his cryptic explanation,
  226. but there are also people who want it in a different way"
  227. From his point of view nothing has changed, an "on-going situation". "There is info,
  228. and there is correct info. They are false statements from the ministry and it's not
  229. the first time. "
  230. He didn't want to comment any further on the matter.
  231.  
  232. It is not surprising Watson, Alias Sam Selezny is not very willing to talk. Him and
  233. his firm came under fire only recently during a broadcast from the VPRO. This
  234. broadcast even lead to questions being asked in Parliament (about the licence)
  235. The radiomakers had contacted the sheriff of Santa Cruz, who confirmed the arrest of
  236. Watson on March the 20th in 1985, in relation to illegal cannabis growing.
  237. How it was possible Watson could set foot in Holland a month later, no one
  238. understands. Why wasn't he, caught red handed, in prison? As a rule the American
  239. Justice system doesn't show clemency to drug criminals.
  240. There are presumptions, also mentioned in the radioprogramme. Is it possible Watson
  241. struck a deal with American Justice, mainly the DEA? In other words, has he, in
  242. exchange for his freedom agreed to cooperate with the justice system from time to
  243. time?
  244.  
  245. Questions which are left unanswered.
  246.  
  247. The DEA never talks, something the enquetecommitee "van Tra" discovered too.
  248.  
  249. On the 5th of November, Minister Borst answered the questions in Parliament.
  250. No, there had not been a antecedenten investigation in regards to the person
  251. requesting the license.
  252. There had been doubts though about the reliability of the request, especially wether
  253. the cannabis would only be used for scientific purposes. But there was no proof to
  254. turn these doubts into hard facts. On the basis of doubt a license could not be
  255. rejected, in the court of law.
  256. Actively requesting personal information from the police register had never been
  257. done, but she was planning to do so in due course.
  258.  
  259. Subject closed.
  260.  
  261. But the case is even stranger than it actually seems.
  262. How did Watson acquire the funds to found Hortapharm? After some research it shows
  263. Watson wasn't only involved in illegal weed growing in the USA, but in Holland too.
  264. Not weedgrowing as a hobby, but on a grand scale, a business worth millions.
  265. It was clear the Dutch Wietgrowers caught a big fish with getting David Watson on
  266. board. A man fascinated by the secrets of the cannabis plant. A man on a mission,
  267. convinced of the blessings of cannabis.
  268.  
  269. Like every American, he thought big. Just like Michael Taylor, also known as Michael
  270. Rich. They became companions, throwing themselves on the big scale growing of
  271. nederwiet.
  272.  
  273. Wernard Bruining declined. "It became too big and too fanatic. They wanted to be the
  274. best and biggest, which wasn't necessary for me."
  275. It was annoying for him though that two of his greenhouses were busted shortly after
  276. wards. A coincidence, the police told him, they just happened to come across it. "But
  277. it was the first time they busted a big greenhouse. Before that they had never
  278. managed to do so"
  279.  
  280. In the summer two big sites where busted, the third empty upon arrival. Various
  281. employees where arrested, Watson and Taylor stayed out of sight. In the "us knows us"
  282. world of growing they were already for some time known as people who pulled the
  283. strings. Shortly after wards stories circulated the two Americans had started again.
  284. Within a few months they had set up a new greenhouse. This one was busted too, but
  285. again no sign of the Americans.
  286.  
  287. Were they simply too smart, or was it something else, something invisible
  288.  
  289. (untouchable)?
  290.  
  291. No one paid too much attention to it. There were suspicions, but the were erased
  292. when the two continued a few years later, undisturbed.
  293. It was the era when partially thanks to Watsons' seed, Holland's masses switched to
  294. nederwiet.
  295.  
  296. It became an internationally recognized product, the new pearl of the dutch
  297. horticulture.
  298.  
  299. But in 1992 the calm tide turned, when in the vicinity of Tilburg two massive
  300. growsites were busted, with according to the police 40.000 plants.
  301. Sirens, squat teams, broken doors and a lot of screaming. Two of the approximately
  302. fifteen suspects broke down practically straight away under questioning and mentioned
  303. the name Watson as the big man and investor behind the wiet operation. Justice didn't
  304. act. Didn't ask questions about him, didn't even investigate the large amount of
  305. funds which apparently left the country via Luxemburg.
  306.  
  307. Watson was and remained, to the surprise of many, a free man and founded Hortapharm
  308. that same year.
  309.  
  310. Supported by advisers he started negotiating with the health ministery about
  311. acquiring a license. One of these advisors was ex police commissioner (?) K Sietsema,
  312. at that time already active as Private detective. "If I know Hortapharm? If we're
  313. talking about the same firm then yes, " Sietsema says; "but I don't talk about my
  314. clients, a kind of code of honor"
  315.  
  316. In the world of the wiet growers suspicion arose. One after the other growsite was
  317. busted, tens of people disappeared behind bars, but one of the biggest and probably
  318. best could continue without any disturbances.
  319.  
  320. That the American Godfather of Nederwiet had such good contacts that he could
  321. continue to practice his profession legally for three years, the ultimate breeders'
  322. dream, was considered utterly strange.
  323.  
  324. Coincidence?
  325.  
  326. The arrest in 1985, the large scale busts of grow sites without any consequences for
  327. Watson or his Companion, Hortapharm and its first license, the advisor Sietsema, it
  328. was too much of a good thing.
  329. Were Watson and Rich DEA informers after all, as some people had claimed them to be
  330. before?
  331. "They started at the right side, but Watson had little choice" Bruining thinks; "It
  332. was or going to jail or cooperate with the American Justice system."
  333. Mario Lap, who amongst other things advices the PVDA (dutch political party) on
  334. drugs problems, is sure of his case.
  335.  
  336. His last bit of doubt dissapeared upon discovering that the Australian Police was
  337. in possession of a list, compiled by Watson, of renowned Dutch breeders, including a
  338. precise description of their products, even mentioning the genetic codes. Handy
  339. with the eye on the plans of the ministry of health to make growing indoors illegal.
  340. "Instantly those creeps have the monopoly, later on they'll be the only ones
  341. allowed to breed the seeds, which is what it is about" lap says bitterly.
  342.  
  343. Which would make the DEA mission successful. They have the names of the breeders,
  344. their products and eventually the market of neder weed in hands.
  345. The DEA has thus proven not only to be champion of controlled drug flow, but has
  346. also proven itself to be the best wiet grower in the world."
  347.  
  348. Copyright: HP/De Tijd 5-12-1997.[/quote]
  349.  
  350.  
  351.  
  352. [quote=Neville]
  353. Neither Marco or Joe Pietri checked the statements that JP attributed to me before
  354. publishing. Before making statements that are damaging to someone's reputation, you
  355. need to be sure of your facts, or have first hand knowledge.
  356. I stand by my testimony re Sam. I was there, I had the documents from the Australian
  357. Federal Police that Sam gave me and I passed them on to Mario Lap. The rest is
  358. history.
  359. I don't know what Sam has said to Marco, to do an about face like that. JP's article
  360. was not factual and therefore an apology is in order, however it does not mean that
  361. ALL of the allegations were false, I know they are not.
  362. N.(nevil)
  363.  
  364. ......
  365.  
  366. Very true Nev, Sam has cleverly swung this to look like the victim, there is a thread
  367. at icmag where guys like chimera and tom hill are screaming mad and saying Marco
  368. needs to do this and that to make right, give money to a charity of skunkman's choice
  369. etc.
  370. I would love to step into that thread and say 'hang on, just cos JP was talking
  371. shite, doesn't make Sam an angel' but it would be deleted asap so why bother.
  372. Maybe it is time to tell your side of the story Nev. I've had some articles
  373. published in Marco's magazine, if you wanna provide the info I'd take the time to
  374. write an article, but given Marco's new stance he might not want to publish it.
  375.  
  376. .......
  377.  
  378. I've done that. I've limited my story to the facts. I could speculate what else Sam
  379. and Rob had in mind when they tried to get me to explain my pedigrees to the feds
  380. (patents), but the fact remains that they tried to get me to work with the cops in
  381. order to give people more jail time for what we all do, grow dope. This makes him a
  382. "dog" in the Australian vernacular. It's all I need to know.
  383. N.
  384. [/quote]
  385.  
  386.  
  387.  
  388.  
  389. [quote=dbud1369]It is about seeking the truth. So with that in mind, we all know that
  390. Nev spent time in jail for his bust (about a year) without ever being charged.... but
  391. when Sam got busted in '85, then showed up in Amsterdam - did he spend time in
  392. jail, was he charged? And name ONE other company that has a DEA exemption to use
  393. Cannabis in the US, just one??? any one???? There aren't ANY? There have been
  394. Doctors who have tried to get permission to get and use Cannabis to do studies and
  395. have been repeatedly DENIED > But they [Hortipharm] get the only Import/Export
  396. DEA approved Cannabis use. They (GW) own about 11 patents on cannabis (cannabinoids)
  397. and uses and extractions. How does the ball bounce so high in one direction for
  398. Sam, he got all the breaks in the early 90's and all the way through. I know for a
  399. fact that there have been many uses of Cannabis for testing purposes (like Brown
  400. University) and the DEA won't even acknowledge that they DID a study. But let's
  401. ask someone who would know about the FEDS caring about patients, like their OWN
  402. FEDERAL PATIENT Irv Rosenfeld - the federal gov't never has done a follow up on any
  403. of the 13 original IND patients(ya know the ones who can legally smoke cannabis
  404. WHEREVER THEY WANT per FEDERAL GOV"T) check out the Missoula study for a follow up on
  405. Irv (done by my friends here in Montana)[/quote]
  406.  
  407.  
  408. [quote]There's no jail time in '85 for Mr. Sam. and if served it was very short and
  409. un-documented. Then showed up in EUROPE with Ed Rosenthal? weird connection to make
  410. along the way. The "third party DEA " permit to Import/Export Cannabis in US. There
  411. are doctors and universitys that apply for this to to studies and repeatedly get
  412. denied.... In fact there are now reports in one state that when a Laboratory filed
  413. for Sched. I drug handling permit .. they got raided the next week (THIS HAPPEND
  414. TWICE ) - The DEA permit allows the handling and possesion of Cannabis for research
  415. and Scientific purposes only. - (ya know like what GW is doing) but for them to deny
  416. any other University or Doctor access to handle this plant and to continue on with
  417. recoginized studies.... they control it all. The DEA has colaborated with GW and SAM
  418. - in ca-hoots if you will.[/quote]
  419.  
  420.  
  421.  
  422. Marco Renda upon lawyers consult made a public apology to sam for a previous article
  423. written in TY in which Joe Petri, another DEA informant, was quoted outing 'sam the
  424. skunkman' as a fellow DEA Snitch.
  425.  
  426.  
  427. [quote=Matt Rize]
  428. TRUTH will never be revealed on this topic, because sam won't let it out. He denies
  429. an '85 arrest...? That's just the start.
  430. He hasn't commented on marco's apology on ic... and you know he has seen it, he is a
  431. damn mod with 1000 snitches/fanboys over there, and they censor every post with
  432. financial and political scrutiny.
  433. Seems if he is hiding the truth it is most likely for a good reason. No one wants to
  434. deal with the skeletons, especially regarding huge illegal transactions, lol.[/quote]
  435.  
  436.  
  437. [quote=Marco Renda]
  438. All I was told is that Sam has 3rd party contracts. Sorry but I have never seen a DEA
  439. contract before so I really don't know what is on 1.[/quote]
  440.  
  441.  
  442. Sam the Skunkman is the one collaborating with Monsanto to produce GMO modified
  443. cannabis along with herbicide ready varieties and strains ****with NO THC content****
  444. HortiPharm ( Clarke and Watson) sold the HortiPharm genetic library to GW
  445. Pharmaceuticals. And GW is connected to Bayer Pharmaceuticals. Bayer is the money
  446. behind the acquisition of close to 40k acres within the Emerald Triangle. That
  447. partnership bought Bayer the licensing for Sativex in the US as the only competitor
  448. for Marinol.
  449.  
  450. Read Dr. David Malmo-Levine sometime on where all this crap is going
  451.  
  452. Google patent number 6,630,507
  453.  
  454.  
  455. "sam" is a conspiring thief who cornered the market by turning in his competition to
  456. the DEA
  457.  
  458. Lets put another myth to rest , Sam wasn't the FIRST American to get to The
  459. Netherlands , nor was he the first to bring Kush region genetics to Norcal or even
  460. the primary source of 'em.
  461. In point of *fact* there are records of Indica genetics in this country dating
  462. ***from the days of prior legality*** and mostly in the regions in which the medical
  463. cannabis of that time were raised. And Bigpharma of THAT era was heavily invested in
  464. cannabis.
  465.  
  466.  
  467. Sam's beef with Neville seems clear enough: Neville sold strains to Ben Dronkers’
  468. Sensi Seeds while Sam sold the same ones to GW Pharm leaving questions of "property
  469. rights" for when cannabis became normalized.
  470.  
  471. If it was just ego on the line, that would be one thing. Unfortunately there is much
  472. more at stake, especially in light of the fact the Bitter Petrols, Original Gangsters
  473. and M16s of the world are all in fact hybrids derived from lines Skunkman and company
  474. would like everyone to believe are their responsibility. And it doesnt take very long
  475. to see how that benefits these individuals in the long run and how that could affect
  476. the "community" later.
  477.  
  478.  
  479. Its amazing what one can find with a little bit of research. I found the information
  480. below quite significant, in that it clearly shows Hortapharm is providing samples of
  481. cannabis (presumably Skunk #1 and other common varieties used in today's modern
  482. breeding scene) which are being used to "establish conspiracy in the cultivation of
  483. marijuana"
  484.  
  485. How many varieties of cannabis are hybridized with Skunk#1, or Northern Lights,
  486. White Widow, Haze, etc? If these samples are sent to testing facilities funded by the
  487. United States government, which are then being used as evidence in conspiracy charges
  488. against growers and maybe even breeders, think of the ultimate implications of
  489. Hortapharms cooperation with the Drug Enforcement Administration. If you've got a
  490. variety of cannabis related to the samples provided by Hortapharm, and find yourself
  491. on the wrong end of the law and your plants are then analyzed and found to be
  492. genetically related to the samples provided by Hortapharm, that information can then
  493. be used as evidence to support a conspiracy in cultivation charge not just against
  494. you, but perhaps those who provided the seeds to you and even the breeder themselves.
  495.  
  496. With some time pondering over the ultimate outcome(s) that this research could yield
  497. in terms of potential legal ramifications against many well known names in the
  498. industry today, one can not take this information lightly or simply over look it as
  499. so many of you have chosen to do thus far. Potentially anyone not associated with
  500. Hortapharm could find themselves a target from the samples of cannabis provided to
  501. the US government for this research. Pillars of the breeding industry such as Skunk
  502. #1, Northern Lights, Haze, White Widow etc. are the basic building blocks of
  503. commercialized seed today. Their prevalence in breeding programs around the world
  504. today is not questioned, thus making professional and amateur seed alike related in
  505. some shape, form or fashion to these lines extremely common. And thus rounding into
  506. the potential for anyone not associated with Hortapharm to become a target simply
  507. based on genetic relation of their strains to those of the samples Hortapharm has
  508. provided the government to use in the aiding and abetting of bringing conspiracy of
  509. cultivation charges against anyone who finds themselves on the wrong end of the law.
  510.  
  511.  
  512.  
  513. Genetic Variation in Hemp and Marijuana (Cannabis sativa L.) According to Amplified Fragment Length Polymorphisms*
  514. Shannon L. Datwyler, Ph.D. 1,2 ; and George D. Weiblen, Ph.D. 2
  515. 1 Department of Plant Biology, University of Minnesota, 1445 Gortner Avenue, Saint
  516. Paul, MN 55108.
  517. 2 Present Address: Department of Biological Sciences, California State University,
  518. Sacramento, 6000 J Street, Sacramento, CA 95819.
  519. Correspondence to Additional information and reprint requests:
  520. George D. Weiblen, Ph.D
  521. Department of Plant Biology
  522. University of Minnesota
  523. 1445 Gortner Avenue
  524. Saint Paul, MN 55108
  525. E-mail: gweiblen@umn.edu
  526.  
  527. *HortaPharm B.V. (the Netherlands) and Kenex Ltd. (Canada) provided controlled
  528. substances for research registered and permitted by the United States Drug
  529. Enforcement Administration and the Minnesota Board of Pharmacy with support from the
  530. David and Lucille Packard Foundation and the Minnesota Agricultural Experiment
  531. Station. The study was first presented at the Botanical Society of America Annual
  532. Meeting in 2004 at Snowbird, Utah.
  533. Copyright Copyright © 2006 by American Academy of Forensic Sciences
  534. KEYWORDS
  535. forensic science • DNA typing • amplified fragment length polymorphism • analysis of
  536. molecular variance • heterozygosity • DNA fingerprinting • sex linkage
  537.  
  538. ABSTRACT
  539.  
  540. ABSTRACT: Cannabis sativa L. (Cannabaceae) is one of the earliest known cultivated
  541. plants and is important in the global economy today as a licit and an illicit crop.
  542. Molecular markers distinguishing licit and illicit cultivars have forensic utility,
  543. but no direct comparison of hemp and marijuana amplified fragment length polymorphism
  544. (AFLP) has been made to date. Genetic variation was surveyed in three populations of
  545. fiber hemp and a potent cultivar of marijuana using AFLP markers. Ten primer pairs
  546. yielded 1206 bands, of which 88% were polymorphic. Eighteen bands represented fixed
  547. differences between all fiber populations and the drug cultivar. These markers have
  548. practical utility for (1) establishing conspiracy in the cultivation and distribution
  549. of marijuana, (2) identifying geographic sources of seized drugs, and (3)
  550. discriminating illegal, potent marijuana cultivars from hemp where the cultivation of
  551. industrial hemp is permitted.
  552.  
  553. Received 17 Dec. 2005; and in revised form 21 July and 3 Oct. 2005; accepted 22 Oct.
  554. 2005; published 13 Feb. 2006.
  555.  
  556.  
  557.  
  558. Here's another one.
  559.  
  560.  
  561.  
  562.  
  563. Identification of candidate genes affecting Δ9-tetrahydrocannabinol biosynthesis in Cannabis sativa
  564. M. David Marks,1* Li Tian,2† Jonathan P. Wenger,1 Stephanie N. Omburo,1 Wilfredo
  565. Soto-Fuentes,1 Ji He,2 David R. Gang,3 George D. Weiblen,1 and Richard A. Dixon2
  566.  
  567. Plant growth and gland isolation
  568.  
  569. Seeds from the marijuana cultivar Skunk no. 1 were provided by HortaPharm BV
  570. (Amsterdam, The Netherlands) and imported under a US Drug Enforcement Administration
  571. (DEA) permit to a registered controlled substance research facility.
  572.  
  573. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2736886/pdf/erp210.pdf
  574.  
  575.  
  576.  
  577. Here are some quotes from, and about ole' sam, the crusader for cannabis.
  578.  
  579.  
  580. Speaking at the International Cannabinoid Research Society (ICRS) conference in
  581. Montpellier, Dr Geoffrey W Guy, Chairman of GW Pharmaceuticals, said that HortaPharm
  582. will provide GW with exclusive access to its entire range of cannabis varieties for
  583. the development of medicines. The worldwide rights acquired by GW for an undisclosed
  584. sum cover varieties grown to date with certain exceptions and all varieties to be
  585. bred in future.
  586.  
  587.  
  588. In addition GW will fund HortaPharm's botanical research and HortaPharm scientists
  589. will assist in the UK Glasshouse propagation, cloning and cultivation programme.
  590. Dr Guy, said: "There has been much speculation as to the exact role of the various
  591. chemical components of cannabis in treating patients with illnesses such as Multiple
  592. Sclerosis and AIDS wasting syndrome. In particular THC (the psychoactive constituent
  593. chemical) has received much attention. Historical medical reports and more recent
  594. work may point to the influence of cannabidiol (CBD) in epilepsy and stroke for
  595. example. We wish to explore the therapeutic benefits and the potential for reduction
  596. in unwanted effects that may be offered through administration of complete extracts
  597. containing various defined ratios of the principal cannabinoids."
  598.  
  599. Mr David Watson, Chief Executive of HortaPharm commented "HortaPharm leads the world
  600. in its understanding of cannabis botany and has built up over many years the most
  601. extensive 'Living Library' of Medicinal Cannabis varieties. As soon as Dr Guy's
  602. clinical research indicates the exact desired composition our scientists can breed
  603. and register new medicinal varieties".
  604.  
  605. http://production.investis.com/gwpharmaceuticals/releases/1998-07-23/?version=1
  606.  
  607. http://www.gwpharm.com/Details%20released%20of%20collaboration%20between%20GW%20Pharmaceuticals%20and%20Hortapharm%20medicinal%20cannabis.aspx
  608.  
  609.  
  610. "It looks like dope, but really it's hope," explains the proprietor, American
  611. entrepreneur David Watson. What he means is that many of these plants have been
  612. specifically bred not to produce an intoxicating resin or hashish. Indeed, HortaPharm
  613. hopes to thwart the aims of the average recreational user.
  614.  
  615. The team are already close to finding their own commercial Holy Grail - seeds that
  616. will produce a one-off, female, seedless crop of plants with no psychotropic effects
  617. (or THC highs, to the layman) for the consumer. Why, you might ask, would they want
  618. to do that?
  619.  
  620. .....
  621.  
  622.  
  623. Mr Watson and his Dutch colleague, biochemist Etienne de Meijer, are confident that
  624. by using their own exclusive cross-breeding methods, they can develop healthy plants
  625. which will combine only the desired chemical make-up of individual medicines.
  626.  
  627. There will be no generational deterioration and no genetic difference between each
  628. plant because they will be bred from themselves: they will be cloned. "You can clone
  629. a plant 10 times," explains Mr de Meijer, "and every time it will be exactly the
  630. same."
  631. Mr de Meijer has developed his own technique of "self-progeny" - or "selfing" -
  632. where he turns half of one female plant temporarily into a male. Fertilising a plant
  633. with itself in this way means the same genetic make-up can be reproduced.
  634.  
  635. "I can make 20,000 clones with 'selfed' parents in two weeks," he says. "Humans may
  636. degenerate from inbreeding, but these plants do not. I'm sure I am the first person
  637. to apply this method of inbreeding to cannabis and I found the selfing process was
  638. amazingly simple."
  639.  
  640. But the unique research has no market in Holland. "Because the sale of the drug is
  641. tolerated in coffee shops, there is no interest - though people don't really know
  642. what they are buying," says Mr Watson.
  643.  
  644. .....
  645.  
  646.  
  647. As a result, the seeds that HortaPharm is producing are passed straight on to Britain
  648. to take their place in the soil at the ground-breaking facility set up this summer by
  649. Dr Geoffrey Guy in south-east England. "We hooked up with Dr Guy in January and right
  650. now all we are doing is providing the basic building blocks for his work," says Mr
  651. Watson. "We were rather surprised that it would happen in England first."
  652. HortaPharm's sample plants are analysed in the laboratory with a gas chromatographer
  653. and with each new batch the team homes in on the plant's distinct chemical components
  654. or cannabinoids - THC, CBD, CBC, CBG and THCV. When Dr Guy completes his medical
  655. research in Britain, HortaPharm will breed plants to supply the right combination of
  656. active ingredients for his treatments. "Once Dr Guy has worked out what he wants in
  657. chemical form, we will find him the right physical characteristics, too, by combining
  658. desirable features from plants found around the world - high-resin production and
  659. resistance to disease," says Mr de Meijer.
  660.  
  661. HortaPharm is only interested in developing female plants that are sterile, but this
  662. is not just to protect their genetic copyright. "If a plant is not kept busy
  663. producing seeds, all its energy can go into resin production," says Mr de Miejer.
  664.  
  665.  
  666. Sitting at his computer screen in Amsterdam, Mr Watson can keep an eye on the
  667. perimeter fence at Dr Guy's British farm via the internet. "The security he has there
  668. is amazing," says Mr Watson, who flew out to plant the first seeds there two months
  669. ago.
  670.  
  671. In June, Dr Guy's company, G W Pharmaceuticals, secured the first British licence to
  672. grow the plant for medical purposes. By arrangement with the Home Office, the doctor
  673. can farm cannabis plants and investigate their properties with a view to marketing a
  674. cheap herbal-based answer to the debilitating symptoms of MS, Glaucoma, Parkinson's,
  675. cancer, asthma and Aids.
  676.  
  677. http://www.independent.co.uk/news/cannabis-a-year-that-changed-minds-1200871.html
  678. .....
  679.  
  680.  
  681. There is no question that GW plans to enforce its patents on Sativex, which is a
  682. precisely dosed medicine. Warns Guy: “To protect our extensive investment, we have
  683. sought to identify and patent certain inventions throughout the growing, extraction
  684. and manufacturing process. My comments to Mr. Lucas were made as a friendly and,
  685. hopefully, helpful gesture as I did not wish him to invest a great amount of effort
  686. into obtaining approval for a product as a prescription medicine only to find that he
  687. did not have the freedom to operate in the first place.”
  688.  
  689. Guy’s warning was reiterated shortly after I arrived in England to interview him,
  690. when Mark Rogerson, GW’s grey-templed, elegantly dressed, public relations man, met
  691. me at the Oxford train station. “Once it’s approved and Sativex becomes a medicine
  692. under the law, there needs to be a minor change in legislation so it can be
  693. prescribed,” he said, as he steered his Hyundai (his Audi was in the shop) into
  694. near-gridlock. “The Home Office has already said they will do that, and then patients
  695. will be taking a legal medicine. But if you are an MS sufferer, it would still be
  696. illegal for you to grow cannabis at the bottom of the garden to treat your symptoms.
  697. Our medicine will be legal, but anything else will not be.”
  698.  
  699. http://www.walrusmagazine.com/print/2005.02-medicine-medical-marijuana-activist/
  700. ............
  701.  
  702.  
  703. Speaking at the International Cannabinoid Research Society (ICRS) conference in
  704. Montpellier, Dr Geoffrey W Guy, Chairman of GW Pharmaceuticals, said that HortaPharm
  705. will provide GW with exclusive access to its entire range of cannabis varieties for
  706. the development of medicines. The worldwide rights acquired by GW for an undisclosed
  707. sum cover varieties grown to date with certain exceptions and all varieties to be
  708. bred in future. Plant registrations arising from the Dutch breeding programme will be
  709. owned by GW.
  710.  
  711. http://www.gwpharm.com/Details%20released%20of%20collaboration%20between%20GW%20Pharmaceuticals%20and%20Hortapharm%20medicinal%20cannabis.aspx
  712. ........
  713.  
  714.  
  715. At a secret location in southeastern England, GW Pharmaceuticals has built what
  716. might well be the most high-tech pot palace on the planet. Surrounded by electrified
  717. razor wire, video cameras, and motion detectors, the greenhouse sprawls across more
  718. than an acre of land. At any one time, more than 15,000 marijuana plants are growing
  719. under its 14-foot ceiling, with its banks of lights. Inside is a sea of green,
  720. comprised of some of the world's most potent strains of pot: Hindu Kush, White Widow,
  721. Skunk, Northern Lights. Outside of the Netherlands, GW is the only commercial
  722. organization in Europe licensed to cultivate cannabis on this scale.
  723.  
  724. http://www.maps.org/media/fc021704_2.html
  725. .....
  726.  
  727.  
  728. “Monsanto terminator technology is being applied to Cannabis by (David Watson) at Hortapharm in Holland".'
  729.  
  730. http://community.kpfz.org/node/17
  731.  
  732. Quote: “Terminator seeds are genetically engineered to produce a plant that will not
  733. produce viable seed, meaning that growers would be forced to go back to Monsanto each
  734. year to buy more seed stock to replant. Governments and public alike became wary of
  735. the concept when it was discovered that the terminator seed could possibly cross the
  736. species barrier, possibly spreading infertility among the plant kingdom like a
  737. disease.”
  738.  
  739. Quote: As we can learn from the Mayans in the foregoing article, the concept of
  740. saving seeds is sacred and central to their spiritual and physical way of life. The
  741. same is true for cultural and religious practices all around the world, whether
  742. you’re a Christian, Buddhists, Hindu, Muslim, Jew, or just a plain old Human Being,
  743. the concept of saving seed is as old as human society itself. If corporations like
  744. Monsanto, GW Pharma, Bayer and HortaPharm are allowed to carry out there interests,
  745. they will hold the genetic copyrights to all Cannabis strains on the planet. GW
  746. Pharma and HortaPharm have stated their intent to engineer Cannabis strains similar
  747. to Monsanto’s terminator seed technology. Their strains seem to be artificially
  748. manipulated to produce "one-off sterile females" which prevents reproduction of
  749. harvest-able seeds. These are the kinds of strains that are waiting to be controlled,
  750. regulated, licensed and taxed after the potential passage of proposition 19 in
  751. California and many similar initiatives across the United States being funded
  752. directly by Monsanto shareholders.
  753.  
  754. Quote: “Cannabis seeds from Monsanto are almost definitely genetically engineered.
  755. Genetically engineered plants can be patented, and it is in Monsanto's best interest
  756. to hold a patent on any seed they sell. Seed patents ensure that companies like
  757. Monsanto can continue to profit from seeds from year to year, as farmers are legally
  758. bound to buy patented seeds from the patent holder rather than simply store them from
  759. the last year's crop.”
  760.  
  761. Quote: “Evidence of an attempted Canadian medical marijuana monopoly began back in
  762. 2000, with a leaked, unpublished document entitled "Draft Statement of Work for The
  763. Development of a Comprehensive Operation for the Cultivation and Fabrication of
  764. Marijuana in Canada". The plan called for a seed monopoly - "a licit source" only -
  765. and the eventual phase-out of all but a pharmaceutical "inhaler" device. According to
  766. the anonymous source who leaked the document, the first version of the plan also
  767. called for cannabis strains to be patented "as if they had been genetically
  768. modified". It appears that GW Pharmaceutical and Bayer have now done so with the
  769. Cannabis strain "Grace".”
  770.  
  771. Quote: “Cannabis monopolies are nothing new. One can argue that the prohibition of
  772. Moses's holy kanneh-bosm annointing oil - found in Exodus 30:32 - a prohibition for
  773. people other than priests and kings - was a type of cannabis monopoly. When botanical
  774. medicine became popular again in the fourteen hundreds, women healers were first
  775. called "unschooled" and later called "witches" to prevent them from competing with
  776. the newly emerging male pharmacists. The same thing happened in the mid eighteen
  777. hundreds, except this time instead of "witches", these botanical healers were called
  778. "quacks".”
  779.  
  780. Quote: “A source within the Ministry of Health, who wishes to remain anonymous, has
  781. provided documents and information to Cannabis Culture, describing how Canadian pot
  782. is to be grown for upcoming medical trials. The documents call for 185 kg (408
  783. pounds) of pot to be grown in the first year, and double that amount for the second
  784. through fifth years.”
  785. “The thirty-five page guideline document, with the weighty title, Draft Statement of
  786. Work for The Development of a Comprehensive Operation for the Cultivation and
  787. Fabrication of Marijuana in Canada, is still open to revisions. It includes proposals
  788. for how marijuana should be grown, processed and fabricated. Included in these
  789. guidelines is the potential to give a notorious pharmaceutical company exclusive
  790. rights for selling seeds to the budding medpot industry.”
  791.  
  792.  
  793. Round-Up ready cannabis here we come!
  794.  
  795.  
  796. That is sam's contribution to our community aside from ruining Skunk.
  797. Terminator seeds owned by GW pharm
  798. How much in royalties might be owed once all common "building block" strains are
  799. patented like romulan, white widow, haze, skunk #1, northern lights et.al?
  800.  
  801.  
  802. Patents on cannabis strains are not gonna be a good thing for anyone but ole' sam.
  803.  
  804. Especially since Bayer now has been licensed by GW Pharma to produce Sativex ,
  805. Monsanto is in the mix and of course HortiPharm turned over and licensed their
  806. genetic base to GW (and of course ya need to research Kennex an Novartis in all this)
  807. All courtesy of the sellout of the weed world and friggin pirate extraordinaire David
  808. Watson pissant snitch that he was/is along with the bitch known as Robert Connell
  809. Clarke
  810. The powergrab by BigPharma on MMJ is already here , the folks that *think* they're "
  811. movers and shakers" within the industry currently such as Richard Lee , Ken Estes (
  812. both of whom have the ethics of a shithouse rat) , Harborside etc are being moved out
  813. for the arrival of the BIG players.
  814. And they're after patenting the genetics. Especially around the new high CBD strain
  815. push. And of course the jackass pirates have moved into THAT area too , like it's
  816. anything new since the pre-prohibition " Hemp" strains were very high in CBD and CBN
  817. while having a low THC content. But since those strains ***are still in existence and
  818. grown in much of the world for industrial hemp*** the seed companies are trying to
  819. keep 'em from the Med market , and JUST the "medical" seed market worldwide is a
  820. MULTI billion dollar a year business.
  821.  
  822. And again, HortiPharm is the **ONLY** DEA licensed seed and gentics production
  823. company in the world. Supplies genetics to the labs and facility at U of Miss , and
  824. David Watson didn't exist prior to his arrival in A'Dam in '85 , somehow toting along
  825. somewhere between 5 and 20 lbs of seed..........odd isn't it that HE got out after
  826. the Sacred Seeds bust and the rest of the folks didn't , and when you're running from
  827. the DEA how do you turn up in A'Dam with pretty much ALL the NorCal genetics in tow?
  828.  
  829.  
  830.  
  831.  
  832.  
  833.  
  834. More history from Shantibaba, to give you insight:
  835.  
  836. Now to clear up the story and myths that go around, due mainly to people in the
  837. industry(other seed companies) who are more interested in making money than giving
  838. information that is correct. Haze brothers worked on the Haze’s and they did get to
  839. Sam and Nevil(owner of THE SEEDBANK…and then Ben Dronkers retailed Nevils strains
  840. under the label of SENSI SEEDBANK after Nevil had some jail time in Australia .Nevil
  841. was the first seed bank or company to exist in Holland so his legendary strains such
  842. as Northern lights 5, Ultra skunk , Nl5 Haze, Early pearl , Early girl, Shiva
  843. Skunk….and so on became the basis for a lot of offspring seed companies that followed
  844. in the 90s.
  845.  
  846. In fact companies like Dutch passion and Nirvana began by copying Nevils seeds from
  847. the F1 seed…but most of them would never say so as they are Dutch business men who
  848. see dollars first and not genetics….Sam and Nevil use to work a bit on strains
  849. together but when it was revealed that Sam and his crew of Americans in Holland all
  850. were part of informants for the DEA in America on a radio program in Holland they
  851. split to the UK to do other things. Sam never started or owned a seed company so his
  852. claim to all the strains that became famous years ago are not really warranted. He
  853. did however do a lot of work on Skunk and shared some seed with Nevil, but as you
  854. know for breeding you cannot just take any plant and make a strain like Greenhouse
  855. does nowadays. I was working in Australia on varieties like Mullumbimby madness and
  856. Thai and Columbia strains of sativas, as well as a lot of original Afghan stock. When
  857. I came to Holland in 1990 with my seed stock I linked up with Nevil , and used
  858. Arjan’s coffeeshops to introduce strains of cannabis and a little later the seed
  859. versions, but we never gave any of the plants to him.Arjan just sold seed produced by
  860. Nevil and myself. I co founded the Greenhouse Seed Company with Arjan in 1994(unlike
  861. Arjan’s claim it began in 1985 from him alone…he was angry that I sold my half share
  862. to him and left in 1998 to Switzerland and to open Mr Nice Seedbank with Nevil and
  863. Howard…but I was and still am the sole owner of MNS). In 1995 I came out with the
  864. seed version of White widow, then White Rhino 1996 and White Shark 1997…el nino1998 ,
  865. Himalayan gold and so on. Nevil and I co worked on some Haze strains during the early
  866. to mid 90s of which Super Silver Haze and Mango Haze were two strains that eventually
  867. came out of this work.The seed was sold under the Greenhouse Seed co label but Nevil
  868. held those plants and only sold the seed of these varieties as well as the weed
  869. version that won all those awards.So as to help Arjan sell the correct weed we set up
  870. our own independent grow rooms and produced those weeds and Arjan bought them all so
  871. as no other Dutch shop could compete. In those days the Greenhouse sold the correct
  872. weed and seed.But in 1998 when I won all the cups with Nevil(including Shantibaba’s
  873. Hash for best nederhash) I was givien a better offer by a Swiss group to set up a
  874. medical cannabis farm and distil oil…so I sold my share to Arjan and left. A lot of
  875. people were shocked as they thought we were a solid unit but actually Arjan was over
  876. the top already with his success and his ego was too much to listen to and
  877. considering the Swiss thing had unlimited possibility where as Holland was stuck at
  878. being glorified dope dealers….as it still is today. Medical was more my interest.
  879.  
  880. I took all my plants which made the seeds, especially my fathers and Nevil put all
  881. his plants with me so together we had a library of all genetics possible in the
  882. cannabis world. Nevil soon sold his part in one of the coffeeshops and had a big
  883. problem with Arjan too…but it took another year or two for them to split. Take a look
  884. at the High times Cannabis cup after 1998, so 1999 onwards….only while Nevil was
  885. there did they win with SSH, but that soon left with Nevil and Arjan even got caught
  886. cheating or trying to bribe people to win cup…so was disqualified one year.
  887.  
  888. A lot of stories exist about the Widow family and a lot of people had access to some
  889. of the female versions I left in Holland and soon began claiming to be the creature
  890. etc….but the original seed versions that won the first cup in 1995 came from my
  891. plants not anyone else’s. Till today we have all the plants in original form. Franco,
  892. the Italian working for Arjan now does not even know the original plants as he did
  893. not come on the scene till after I left. I have nothing against him at all but he is
  894. paid by Arjan and is part of that show so believes what ever is feed to him. The GHSco
  895. tried to get things going by buying some seed Nev and I had for sale from a guy in
  896. Holland during this time. The guy called me up and told me Arjan bought a few
  897. thousand euros of this seed and a year later came out with seed under the well known
  898. names he had used previously. The growers could not know this until they grew it out
  899. and considering a lot of people never grew it before they did not even know what they
  900. were looking at and still do not.So many seed companies use the names like White
  901. widow but the genetics are all different. I wrote out the true origins of the plant
  902. and everyone copied that so it looks like everyone is selling the same genetics but
  903. it is they are all selling a name that sells…nothing more.Ask Franco to show you a
  904. photo of the original parents that make the widow…he cannot as he has never seen
  905. them.The Ghsco linked up with others like Ingemar who claims to be the widow breeder
  906. but he is only a grower and he never came out with a seed version until after I made
  907. it in 1995. But all the facts have become mixed and people try to confuse the grower
  908. by claiming things that no one else can prove to be correct or wrong…as there are no
  909. rules in the seed game since all cannabis is actually not recognized in the official
  910. plant world as sub species due to it being drug related. So in actual fact no one
  911. owns nothing…even all the trademarked R after the names you see from various seed
  912. companies are all bullshit as they are not really able to protect any names as the
  913. plants do not officially exist…but that is another story.
  914.  
  915. In the late 90s I gave plants to Soma, and he began a seed company a year later
  916. too…mixing his skunks to my males. This has occurred many times to me just look at
  917. the Spanish seed companies and 10 years ago…none existed until I went there in 1995
  918. and gave away 3 kilos of seed to growers via Canamo magazine….but that is another
  919. story too.
  920.  
  921. Now the female seed story saved a lot of seed companies who never really breed seed
  922. as you only need a F1 female and chemicals….no need for a male…..so go figure why
  923. companies like the Greenhouse or Dinafem etc…set up selling female seed…..the money
  924. the demand and not really needing skill with males are all prerequisites to make a
  925. female seed. It is therefore obvious to me why Arjan (who is a very marketing person
  926. nothing more) and Franco come out every year with a new name plant…they buy an
  927. original F1 seed and donk it with silver nitrates and there you have there products…
  928. but now adays there are so many doing it it is incredible. Even companies have called
  929. me to tell me they feminised a clone of Critical mass in spain and call it critical
  930. plus….but say nothing more than thanks. So actually I really do not care any longer
  931. about other companies and what they say. We at MNS sell the real versions that won
  932. the original awards and made the legends…nowadays it is all confused and everyone is
  933. going feminised…except MNS. We exist so people who like to breed will be able to with
  934. the original true breed plants that come from selection and natural collection from
  935. traveling around the world. As they say, an empty barrel makes a louder noise…and we
  936. are full.
  937.  
  938. ShantiBaba
  939.  
  940.  
  941.  
  942. [quote=Cannabis Farmer]
  943. Who is Sam the Skunkman and where did he come from? Better yet, whom is he really
  944. backed by?
  945. As with almost everything these days the hidden agendas of those who are trying to
  946. control the weed market, or any power organization, the theories abound. To me, in my
  947. opinion, there is only the gut feelings and organizational independence to keep you
  948. on a straight path.
  949. Cannabis Farmer is always interested in weed, how to grow and how to cultivate.
  950. Having spent the better part of 45 years in the search for knowledge and power in the
  951. plant have provided an abundance of providence.
  952. In the first case I should admit to personally knowing Joe Petri both in the early
  953. days in the Far East and these later days of his activism on the west coast of the
  954. USA. For the most part I stay the Cannabis Farmer, just dedicated to growing and
  955. sharing – as we did back in San Francisco during the mid sixties. It was Joe who
  956. brought the first, and best, water pressed Afghan to us. I remember it well. Smoking
  957. it for the first time in Aaron Russo’s rock venue in Chicago.
  958.  
  959. I watched as Joe worked the scene in Bombay and created the market for American
  960. Touristers to Australia. An amazing run. Joe was creative and helped a lot of people
  961. make a living from their lifestyles. I do not know of one instance where Joe “turned”
  962. on anyone but I did see some abandoned runners. Who they were running for is where it
  963. gets cloudy and Joe was not close enough to be on the bad edge.
  964.  
  965. Perhaps Joe’s abrasive tone does not sit well with many, but his idea is straight as
  966. an arrow. Cannabis is a plant, its use is no business of governments and there should
  967. be no laws granting or taking any right to a natural plant or imbibing in it. Freedom
  968. does not allow governments to tell you what to do with plants unless you give them
  969. the rights to tell you how to live. Did you?
  970.  
  971. Joe Petri reflects what Cannabis Farmer’s live for – weed for whatever you want. This
  972. puts him at odds with the sellouts who try to subvert the effort at ending
  973. prohibition using the lame excuse of medical necessity. Who does not have some pain,
  974. some problem, something? So what?
  975.  
  976. Cannabis is a simple plant, a weed, and its control by government is just wrong. What
  977. started as a corporate terrorist action to tax cannabis out of existence by Morgan
  978. banks and Dupont Chemicals (to capitalize the patents for synthetic fiber – which are
  979. running out and the reason laws are being eased) has been replaced with extreme
  980. disinformation about a simple weed. All this obscuring the fact that government,
  981. particularly one under the original US Constitution, has no right making a plant
  982. illegal. Joe Petri campaigness for the end of prohibition, he, and we, fight for the
  983. same thing. Others want to allow continued government control over what we can and
  984. cant do with plants – by letting government control the plant under their medical
  985. system.
  986.  
  987. This allows a joke to be made of medical marijuana in so far as you only need to find
  988. your doctor Feelgood and get a paper to buy it. But it leaves the control of a plant
  989. under the government.
  990.  
  991. Sam the Skunkman? Well, I have not had any personal contact with this gentleman and
  992. the contact here is the most I have had. I had seen him around the “scene” for years
  993. promoting bubble bags at the various conferences, but he did not make it to my level.
  994. Maybe he was too much in Amsterdam and not in the world of global marketing? Mostly I
  995. have seen him pushing the mud bags, the worst rip off in Cannabis history. Trying to
  996. sell bags and more bags to ignorant stoners, sort of an easy job.
  997. The case Sam the Skunkman makes on my blog to lambaste Petri is weak at best. Calling
  998. him a snitch when it is he who should be wary of such labels. Skunkman has spent his
  999. time in trying to corner the coming legal cannabis market by getting on the top of
  1000. the government distribution. One must have some kind of connection to get to this
  1001. level and that is why Sam the Skunkman has problems with credibility.
  1002.  
  1003. Since the DEA and CIA will not disclose the names of their agents or snitches it will
  1004. be impossible to verify the veracity of anyone working for them. It is up to you to
  1005. decide where you will place your confidence.
  1006.  
  1007. As for me, the Cannabis Farmer, I like Joe and I think Skunkman an arrogant agent of
  1008. mis-information as he pushes a lot of people at the top of the junk pile and his
  1009. horrible bubble bags.
  1010. [/quote]
  1011.  
  1012.  
  1013.  
  1014.  
  1015. [quote=Detroitmike]
  1016. High Times-Operation Green Merchant-Cannabis Cup
  1017.  
  1018.  
  1019.  
  1020. On March 20th 1985 David Watson was busted for growing in Santa Cruz, California,
  1021. Watson a junior member of the Sacred Seed collective. The Sacred Seed bank collective
  1022. was created in the 1940’s, most original members long gone or well into there 70’s, a
  1023. generation or more older than I, I’m 63, and have been in Cannabis trade 50 years
  1024. and I can only speak from my 50 years experience of fighting the drug war.
  1025. A month later, Watson, now traveling as Sam Selezny arrived in Amsterdam in the
  1026. company of Ed Rosenthal. In his baggage, were the research from the sacred seed
  1027. collective, and 250,000 cannabis seeds. Ed Rosenthal introduced Sam Selezny as David
  1028. Watson to everyone who was anyone at the time on the Dutch scene. Which was very
  1029. small compared to what it is today.
  1030. Surviving members still question how Watson managed to pull this off? A collective
  1031. member states that Watson was a junior member, had nothing to do with creating Skunk
  1032. or`haze strains attributed to Skunk-man as he is now known. Original Skunk had the
  1033. real skunk spray smell, impossible to mask.
  1034.  
  1035. The first time I met Skunk-man at the 2007 cup his first comment to me was that I
  1036. blew his cover due to a chapter in my book King of Nepal The Ice Wars edition? He
  1037. even put up wanted posters for me at the cup calling me a snitch. On the scenes I
  1038. came from if was a snitch I’d be dead long ago.
  1039.  
  1040. By the time you finish this article you may realize that Sam Selezny aka David Watson
  1041. aka Skunk-man started as a DEA undercover agent, whose undercover career makes Donnie
  1042. Brasco pale when compared, since he finally became a DEA licensee and ”private
  1043. contractor” with the power to make the agency move against competitors
  1044. and anybody in his way and to cut deals with Bayer, Monsanto, and the Dutch and
  1045. English Government. Ed Rosenthal’s duped by Watson as well? Rosenthal was the
  1046. cultivation expert at High Times at that time.
  1047.  
  1048. Was Watson/Selezny working undercover to bring Sacred Seed collective down? Then used
  1049. Ed Rosenthal to develop his Skunk-man cover and go deeper undercover in Amsterdam?
  1050. Did Rosenthal make his fortune from selling our scene to the Dutch due to Reagan drug
  1051. war policy, which shut down ol skool, and any High Times competitor upstart? At what
  1052. point did Ed Rosenthal realize that Skunk-man was DEA undercover?
  1053. Neiderweit went from shit to shineola with the introduction of the sacred seed
  1054. collective’s seed bank, now renamed Cultivator’s Choice.
  1055.  
  1056. In 1987 Steven Hager was named the new editor for High Times. Operation Green
  1057. Merchant was also created in 1987 the brainchild of DEA agent Jim Stewart. The target
  1058. being High Times, and Sensimilla Tips, as well as the blossoming Indoor grow
  1059. industry. Sensimilla Tips, the all time best grow magazine was put out of business.
  1060. In 1989, raids were conducted in 46 states on grow shops and wholesalers. The only
  1061. one to remain unscathed was High Times, amazingly?
  1062.  
  1063. Operation Green Merchant worked many angles. One that they pulled off in Hawaii was
  1064. they opened a grow store in Kona, partied, smoked and got to know some growers,. They
  1065. offered growers a deal, we will give you seeds, nutrients, what ever you need, you
  1066. grow the product and bring it here where we will ship it to your people, you collect
  1067. the money and pay us a share. Only a few went for the deal at first, that went super
  1068. smooth, all packages arrived safely, monies paid, and the share given to grow shop.
  1069. 2nd year everyone jumped on board, they busted people from Kona to Brooklyn, You can
  1070. only imagine the numbers, 100’s of folks lost everything, many went to prison..
  1071. Nearly all busted in 46 States came from information seized from High Times and
  1072. Sensimilla tips, hell all they needed to do was read the magazine, which is how DEA
  1073. Jim Stewart came up with the idea for Green Merchant, shooting fish in a barrel. At
  1074. this point was High Times compromised? Or?
  1075.  
  1076. In 1987 Hager went to Amsterdam to interview Nevil of the Seed Bank, while there he
  1077. meets the Skunk-man, who relates tales to him about harvest festivals in Santa Cruz
  1078. and suggests having a Cannabis Cup in Amsterdam as a yearly event. The Skunk-man
  1079. spins his web and Hager is taken in, from this point on everything stated by either
  1080. Skunk-man or his partner Robert C Clarke is taken as fact, Remember Rosenthal is
  1081. cultivation editor, and Clarke used to write under R. Connoisseur at High Times as
  1082. well. Hager being a newbie was enthralled by the lies coming from this trio. At this
  1083. point cannabis history starts to be rewritten by High Times.
  1084.  
  1085. In 1988 the first Cannabis Cup was held and lo and behold Cultivators Choice wins for
  1086. Skunk #1. Imagine what an intelligence bonanza the Cannabis Cup, where every grower
  1087. comes to judge the best strains and buy seeds. The database created a DEA agent’s wet
  1088. dream. Funny things started to happen around Amsterdam, seems as if a lot of
  1089.  
  1090. Cultivators Choice competition were being busted, and even Skunk-man’s own warehouse
  1091. grows are busted as well but he remained untouched, took his money to Luxemburg and
  1092. returned to go on, while everyone else went to jail.
  1093.  
  1094. In 1990, Nevil Shoenmakers who was also targeted by Green Merchant for his seed bank,
  1095. was not extradited by Holland but was arrested in Australia, where his lawyer in
  1096. court records noted that the police had dossier on Nevil as well as everyone who was
  1097. anyone on the Dutch scene, and that they were complied by Sam Selezny, now known as
  1098. David Watson AKA Skunk-man. This is public knowledge in Amsterdam, noted by Dutch
  1099. crime investigator Mario Lap. Lap investigated Selezny/ Watson as well as Ed
  1100. Rosenthal. Skunkman according to Hager in High Times article sold seeds to Nevil..
  1101.  
  1102. You have to wonder if the Cannabis Cup an idea the Skunk-man proposed
  1103. had been an operation of Green Merchant? How best for DEA to get information on
  1104. growers than to open a seed bank in Holland, create a cannabis cup, and even win the
  1105. 1st cup awarded?
  1106.  
  1107. Every top grower in the world goes to Amsterdam for the Cannabis Cup, a bonanza of
  1108. information for DEA and law enforcement around the globe. One has to wonder when
  1109. Rosenthal and Hager realized that Skunk-man was DEA undercover? Without a doubt
  1110. Skunk-man had his claws in High Times, who printed his every word as if gospel.
  1111.  
  1112. Everyone busted but High Times, the smell of sulfur coming to my nose, certainly not
  1113. true skunk. Had a deal been struck between Government and High Times and so they
  1114. could remain in business? Since this time much of what has been written by High Times
  1115. is in fact fantasy made up by the Skunk-man to build up his mystique as well as his
  1116. cover. The Haze brothers a figment of Skunk-mans imagination, a play created for
  1117. stoners in order to hype their products. Frankly I shouldn’t blame the Dutch so much
  1118. for fraud as Skunk-man was the one who taught the Dutch the ropes and they fear him,
  1119. as we fear DEA here.
  1120.  
  1121. It’s beyond question that the Skunk-man has been a source of information to police
  1122. agencies around the globe.
  1123.  
  1124. 1994 David Watson/ Selezny was issued a cannabis research license for Hortapharm R &
  1125. D along with his partner Robert C. Clarke aka R. Connisseur, above legitimate
  1126. Universities and PHD’s due to the strong endorsement of DEA, instead of extraditing
  1127. him back to Santa Cruz for that grow bust in 1985? To this day he is one of two
  1128. companies allowed to import cannabis products into US, and the only supplier licensed
  1129. by DEA to supply seeds of predictable quality for research. In a 1998 interview in UK
  1130. Journal, he stated that Hortapharm only wants to produce sterile females, to protect
  1131. the genetic copyright? He has sent botanist’s around the globe to contaminate and
  1132. collect inbred landrace strains, in order to confuse origin in order to claim
  1133. intellectual copyright. Now he claims to have the largest library of medicinal
  1134. cannabis seeds in the world. In other words he patented the munchie effect amongst
  1135. others. Wherever you go on the planet you will find skunk gene pool, this is a war
  1136. crime, to contaminate the original medical strains so as to be able to call them your
  1137. intellectual property is obscene. Just as the making of Mother Nature’s healing
  1138. plants illegal is a war crime, so is the research Hortapharm is doing. Instead of
  1139. extraditing Watson back to Santa Cruz for his 1985 grow bust, he was praised and
  1140.  
  1141. supported by DEA.
  1142.  
  1143. In 1997 the inventor, Reinhard Delp introduced the Ice Water Method at the 97
  1144. Cannabis cup and it was off to the races, the most copied and ripped off formula in
  1145. Cannabis history, and who designed and created the fraud? Skunk-man with Clarke, Mel
  1146. Frank and High Times. He did this in order to confuse the origin of the patent.
  1147. During the 97 Cup Reinhard had offers promising the world for an exclusive license
  1148. for the method patent pending by “an English Pharmaceutical outfit”, he did a
  1149. comparison test for them with a bigger machine, where he trashed a Pollinator as to
  1150. quality and quality, but finally refused the “exclusive” and insisted on real
  1151. “publishing”, for immediate use for everybody.
  1152. At the end of the 97 Cup Hortapharm set up a meeting with Reinhard where Clarke
  1153. demanded “we can’t publish that” and asked why, responded “the people can not handle
  1154. it, it is too strong.” Unaware of the “powers” of Hortapharm, the inventor told
  1155. Clarke that he was full of it and they had a “fall out”. Reinhard never wanted to
  1156. play monopoly with characters like Hortapharm, Bayer or Monsanto.
  1157. The meeting happened at Bill Barth’s place, a much liked, very outspoken fellow,
  1158. equally unimpressed by Clarke at the meeting. The inventor was later told that Bill
  1159. passed away in his sleep.
  1160.  
  1161. Crazed by their money and the power they had due to their DEA connection,
  1162. High Times and most European Cannabis publications in their pocket, Hortapharm’s
  1163. Watson and Clarke set out to erase the introduction of the Xtractor 420 and the Ice-
  1164. Water-Method on the 97 Cannabis Cup from Cannabis history. One year later Mila, who
  1165. just broke a license contract with Reinhard was now the proud owner of the Hemp
  1166. Hotel, received a government grant to develop her invention and Clarke was marketing
  1167. Mila and her new invention: the Ice-O-lator. But Mila was stupid enough to sell her
  1168. “new creation” with the instructions she received with the XTR 420 .
  1169. Another glitch in the scam: some journalistic conscience managed to record the event
  1170. from 1997, simply explaining the new Method in High Times May 98 issue.
  1171.  
  1172. In his book Clarke spins the Ice-Water-Method back to the old unsuccessful “Sadu Sam
  1173. Secret” Recipe, which Ed Rosenthal did not mention anymore in a 96 High-Times article
  1174. about Hash, even though he was selling the recipe on a 900 fax years earlier.
  1175. Clarke streamlined the recipe for his book, cold water became “chilled”, Mila was
  1176. introduced as the Lady Of Hash and the 1997 XTR 420 was otherwise blacked out of the
  1177. Media. “No limit”- Skunkman approaches the inventor in e-mails, boasting about 10 000
  1178. square meter grows, claimed to have designed Mila’s and the Canadian “Bubble man’s” ,
  1179. Mark Richardson’s inventions and threatens legal action, “prior artwork” and “what
  1180. have you”.
  1181.  
  1182. In May 2009 Reinhard’s financial lifelines grobots.com and icecold.org got busted by
  1183. the DEA, the company and home vandalized, company inventory destroyed, all private
  1184. and company money taken. (treatingyourself.com, issue 19 “Update”)
  1185. He does not stop to sue them for patent infringement.
  1186. Also taken was the Cannabis Collective’s seedbank, ten pounds high quality Cannabis
  1187. seeds from landrace strains -sounds familiar?
  1188.  
  1189. Skunkman stole the method like the strains he had stolen, created GW Pharmaceuticals
  1190. on the promise of the Ice-Water-Method and hoped to control all cannabis based
  1191. medicines. In fact Sativex was created from Thai genetics, I wonder how the Thai
  1192. government feels about that since cannabis has 8400year history as medicine in
  1193. Thailand?
  1194.  
  1195. Watson due to his control of information has been able to pull scam after scam as an
  1196. endorsement from High Times is all you used to need in this business. He knows that
  1197. young stoners and medical patients have no cannabis knowledge and that he can sell
  1198. anything he wants, the frauds have had a tremendous effect on the quality of medicine
  1199. produced. At the same time he has been a mentor to the Dutch who now play from the
  1200. same deck of control of information.
  1201.  
  1202. I know by now you have reached the WTF moment in this article, how much more stinky
  1203. is this going to get?
  1204.  
  1205. Let’s face it no corporation has more at stake that cannabis continues to be illegal,
  1206. so that only they can produce cannabis based medicine than GW Pharmaceuticals, now
  1207. part of Bayer. GW not only bought strains from Hortapharm but also funds botanical
  1208. research. They paid to collect medicinal strains around the globe while contaminating
  1209. them with skunk strain to confuse origin. By doing this they legally could shut down
  1210. all medical grows for infringing on intellectual property of GW and Hortapharm. Does
  1211. the GW stand for Guy & Watson? When asked now, that GW made it, they inform that
  1212. Watson and Clarke are no longer with them.
  1213.  
  1214. WTF, talk about quantum leap, from being wanted for a grow bust in Santa Cruz, to
  1215. being the CEO of Hortapharm, with 5 DEA licenses and partners with GW and Bayer.
  1216. Dude, not only did the the DEA seedbank win the 1st cannabis cup, but last year Danny
  1217. Don’t Know, the new cultivation expert at High Times, named the DEA seed-bank
  1218. Cultivators Choice as the all time greatest seed-bank. Then went on to state that
  1219. Skunk-man was the founder of Sacred seeds, when that collective can be traced back to
  1220. before prohibition. There is no foundation of truth from Danny Don’t
  1221. Know nor from High Times when it comes to Skunk-man, they were duped, hoodwinked,
  1222. bamboozled, led down a trail of tears.
  1223.  
  1224. From setting up grow shops to operating seed banks in Holland is no quantum leap in
  1225. information gathering during Operation Green Harvest. Or that some of their assets
  1226. from that time, continue to provide information to this day.
  1227. Worse thing of all is that for the past 22 years or more everything written on
  1228. cannabis is written in support of frauds these people created. So they have you
  1229. spending more for growing less. That the quality of cannabis and cannabis seed has
  1230. gone down from what ol skool medical imports were originally is without doubt. The
  1231. best cannabis was grown during the golden age of Cannabis 1840-1940, when it was
  1232. legally farmed for medicinal use, Sacred Seeds sought to preserve those strains.
  1233.  
  1234. September 2010, Danny Don’t Know states that High Times has no connection to Skunk-
  1235. man. Wow has he changed his tune, but is it the truth?
  1236.  
  1237. No, Robert C Clarke, partner of David Watson - Skunk-man in Hortapharm and GW
  1238. Pharmaceuticals, continues to promote fraud.
  1239. In a special issue of High Times that basically introduces new products to consumers.
  1240. Clarke brought the bubble bag fraud full circle again, calling it a new innovative
  1241. technique, basically using the same information they used when they introduced these
  1242. frauds in 1998-2000. They have a new generation of young stoners and medical patients
  1243. with no cannabis knowledge to cheat.
  1244.  
  1245. There are 3 photographs that show the fraud for what it is:
  1246.  
  1247.  
  1248.  
  1249. 1. You see resins glands at bottom of glass, valuable oils and terpenes
  1250. floating on top, and on top of that water floating, clear separation seen. You lose
  1251. immediately 30-40% using either 25 or 33 micron catch bag. From this point you should
  1252. have gone to coffee filter 5 micron, but you don’t make money selling paper coffee
  1253. filters. Everything about bags works against and retards the Ice Water technique, the
  1254. US patent was granted in 2000, but for Europe and Canada only in 2006 (!). Every time
  1255. you add a bag on top of the 2 bag system you can add a dilution, in a 9 bag system
  1256. you have diluted formula a dozen times. What they neglected to tell you is that
  1257. Mother Nature does all the work for you. The ice method made sieving and all forms of
  1258. processing cannabis obsolete.
  1259. 2. In Clarke’s article he states nylon sieving bags as new innovative technique.
  1260. Well thank Soumi La Valle for leaving us his great work on Hashish. Circa 1979 there's
  1261. pictures of a Lebanese cannabis worker holding her 70- micron sieve. This is the final
  1262. sieve used in making the finest Lebanese hashish, they started with metal window
  1263. screen to remove seeds and stems and that material they processed threw 3 sizes of
  1264. nylon sieves the 1st being 150 micron –120 micron-70 micro being the last sieve used
  1265. to make 00 hashish the finest. . They attached this Lebanese technique to the Ice
  1266. Method and called it new innovative technique, when reality the Ice method made
  1267. sieving obsolete. They told you to grind up your material, why? As in the ice water
  1268. environment leaves become flexible, fiber matter stays intact, and resin glands fall
  1269. off with simple agitation. What they don’t tell you is that the method releases the
  1270. oils in trichomes, and that the bags have no way of collecting them, flavor, taste,
  1271. aroma lost. Clarke calls it a new innovative technique, when sieving of Hashish goes
  1272. back to Alexander the Great in the Bekaa Valley of Lebanon, and is one of the oldest
  1273. techniques used by Chinese farmers in Asia going back 1000’s of years, before nylon
  1274. they used silk, metal sieves were introduced in the 19th century and are still in use
  1275. in Afghanistan to this day. What’s funny is that all the grow gurus never show you
  1276. the Lebanese technique, as that would expose the fraud.
  1277. 3. There is a photo of the back of a Lebanese hash factory and mounds are
  1278. leftover cannabis from the hash making process. I can reprocess that left over
  1279. material, and give you more and better hashish than you made to begin with, because
  1280. everything under 70 micron was left behind. I can do the same with any material run
  1281. threw any bag system, flavor, aroma, taste I will recapture using correct technique.
  1282.  
  1283.  
  1284. All these years the same people have profited enormously due to the illegality of
  1285. cannabis.. The very people who claim to be Free Da Weed are actually working to keep
  1286. it illegal so only they can profit. The learning curves and misinformation these
  1287. people have put out never ceases to amaze me.
  1288.  
  1289. Mark Heinrich who recently did a 2hour interview with Nevil, who is now living in
  1290. Perth. This interview will appear in TY. Stated that not only had Skunkman written a
  1291. dossier on him for DEA, but was recently offered a deal from his bail jumping charge
  1292. from 1990, stemming from Operation Green Merchant. Auzzies would drop charges if
  1293. Nevil would allow Skunkman access to his genetics, so that he could get their DNA and
  1294. track crops around the globe. He refused.
  1295. The Cannabis Cup has the stink of Skunkman and operation Green Merchant, who knows
  1296. how many folks have been arrested and sent to prison due to intelligence gathered at
  1297. the High Times Cannabis Cup in Amsterdam.
  1298. [/quote]
  1299.  
  1300.  
  1301. [quote=Steven Hager]
  1302. Truth is, Sam had no idea I’d be inventing the Cannabis Cup later that year, as I
  1303. didn’t even get the idea until I was on the plane home. Did Sam’s stories of the
  1304. Santa Cruz harvest festivals of the 1970s influence me? Of course. But Sam never
  1305. presented himself as a major player in those harvest festivals, or even the boss of
  1306. Sacred Seeds, or the breeder of Skunk #1, which was his primary strain. The story I
  1307. got was Skunk #1 popped up unexpectedly and everybody loved it, and it won some early
  1308. harvest festivals. Which is pretty much the story you get about most of the really
  1309. famous strains.
  1310. When I returned to Holland for the first Cannabis Cup months later, Sam was there to
  1311. greet me. He wasn’t sure he wanted Cultivator’s Choice, the name of his new Seed
  1312. Company, to enter the first Cannabis Cup, which so far consisted of Nevil’s Seed Bank
  1313. and Ben Dronkers’ Sensi Seeds. As I recall the Sensi Seed strains were all freshly
  1314. harvested and we couldn’t smoke them without running the samples through a microwave.
  1315. It would take another year for many to catch on to the importance of curing, and keep
  1316. in mind some people in the industry weren’t even stoners. Nevil didn’t care whether
  1317. he won, or whether Skunk #1 won, because he had both Skunk #1 and Northern Lights.
  1318. The final decision was not Dave Watson’s, but something entirely decided by grow guru
  1319. Bram Frank and I because we liked the taste. The only other judge was the
  1320. photographer Jiffy Schnack, who preferred Northern Lights. Nevil at the time was into
  1321. dry sift made from Haze, which he kept to himself, while Sam and Robert were smoking
  1322. full-melt Skunk #1, and were giddy about the way it turned to liquid when they hit it
  1323. with a flame. This was all new to me.
  1324. A few years later, Arjan of the Greenhouse showed me a report by Mario Lap indicating
  1325. Sam was really Dave Watson, who’d been busted in Santa Cruz one month before arriving
  1326. in Amsterdam. And he’d supposedly arrived in Amsterdam with hundreds of thousands of
  1327. seeds for sale one month after his bust. After selling the seeds to Nevil, who was
  1328. making a fortune at the time in cash sales, Watson got the only license to study
  1329. medicinal cannabis in Holland. It sure looked like Watson was secretly working with
  1330. the DEA, and those operations might include tracking the ID’s of all the strains of
  1331. the world and documenting the growers and dealers distributing them.
  1332. I don’t know if this database was real, or, if so, if it is still being pursued, but
  1333. Mario claimed Watson had written a profile on the situation in Australia that named
  1334. many growers and dealers.
  1335.  
  1336. I would not be surprised if Watson is a spook, and I can guarantee the world of
  1337. illegal drugs is filled with spooks in all possible nooks and crannies. He went on to
  1338. co-found Hortapham, which made the deal with GW Pharma, which made the bigger, better
  1339. deal with Bayer, the powerhouse in European medicine. Surely you realize big money is
  1340. an Octopus that pulls strings everywhere it goes?[/quote]
  1341.  
  1342.  
  1343. Treating Yourself - Meet Dr. Frankenbeanstein
  1344. Konsupsa's picture
  1345. Mon, 06/29/2009 - 08:24 — Konsupsa
  1346.  
  1347. Are your expensive Dutch female seeds hard to clone, or when you try to breed them,
  1348. all you get are hermaphrodites?
  1349. Thank Dr Frankenbeanstein, aka the Skunkman, real name David Watson.
  1350.  
  1351. A bit of history:
  1352. At a 1997 Vancouver Hemp conference, Watson spoke of his research. His main focus
  1353. was to stop growers from cloning nor being able to create any seeds, from strains
  1354. being bred in Amsterdam. The funding for this research came partially from the Dutch
  1355. Government, the rest from DEA. Watson had been busted for growing in Santa Cruz
  1356. California 3-20-85 and resurfaced in Amsterdam to start his seed company Cultivator’s
  1357. Choice. DEA supported the Skunkman’s application for a license to grow for research
  1358. in Holland, even though they should have been extraditing him back to Cali for his
  1359. 1985 in Santa Cruz grow bust! DEA endorsement was so strong that he was the first to
  1360. be granted a permit in Holland when several universities and domestic research groups
  1361. with PHD’s and legitimate reasons for research were denied! The Dutch government even
  1362. supplied three greenhouses for Dr. Frankenbeanstein to do his heinous experiments,
  1363. while normal Dutch growers lost all their equipment and had to serve murder-like
  1364. sentences at that time! Dutch seed companies have become the Monsanto of the cannabis
  1365. seed industry, and hope to make us all seed junkies at $20 a seed.!
  1366.  
  1367. The license gave Hortapharm/Skunkman/DEA control over what researchers are allowed
  1368. access to pedigreed seeds of predictable quality! The object is to patent up every
  1369. possible combination of cannabinoids and terpenes with efficacy for every possible
  1370. disease they can treat, and every possible genetic sequence! Once ready to make the
  1371. move, they will shut down every medical cannabis grower for patent fraud, and those
  1372. they can’t will be run out when they produce a more effective product for
  1373. significantly less than $250 an ounce the growers are getting! The Skunkman’s company
  1374. Hortapharm, is the only private organization approved by the Drug Enforcement Agency
  1375. to supply genetics to researchers to this day!
  1376.  
  1377. Gibberillen is a natural growth stimulant, that also changes the sex in plants, male
  1378. to female, female to male. First discovered in the 1930's by researchers looking for
  1379. hormones to stop elongation of the stem during early growth stages of rice and
  1380. prevent crop failures due to to drought or excessive rain, during early growth
  1381. stages. After many years of research, in the 1950's, gibberillens were found that had
  1382. the optimum of success in treating this problem. This is also when researchers
  1383. discovered that gibberillens had beneficial effects on many food crops, increasing
  1384. their yields ten fold! Professor Carlson of Midwestern University created sonic bloom
  1385. in the late 70's, using gibberillens and fertilizers, that when applied to crops ,
  1386. then bombarded with sonic waves at a specific frequency, produced yields in most
  1387. crops that were increased 4-10 fold!
  1388. The discovery of the effects of gibberillens were first noted by Sues who discovered
  1389. the product in the early 80's, and tried it as sold by Carlson for increasing his
  1390. gardens yield by using their product and playing (Music) to his plants. It worked! It
  1391. not only increased his yields but produced a few seeds in his stable of pure females
  1392. plants! The ingredient was gibberillens! After using the product several times, he
  1393. has seeds in every crop there after. Confused as to why, his research discovered the
  1394. main active ingredient was gibberillen. After using this for several years, he
  1395. noticed that depending on when you sprayed gibberillens that there would be a few
  1396. seeds or a large amount of seeds! Size was pretty much increased every time. From
  1397. these experiments he discovered that pure stable female plants could be sprayed at
  1398. the (right) times, and produce a few a few male stamens that would create, exact
  1399. duplicates of the mother and would be feminized seeds, sprouting out as females every
  1400. seed!
  1401.  
  1402. At that 1997 Vancouver Hemp conference Master Grower Seus met Watson and explained
  1403. his discovery and findings on gibberillens. That information went back with Dr
  1404. Frankenbeanstein, and when he got back to Amsterdam he called it his own invention
  1405. and from there came the feminized seed phenomenon.. Watson sold his new discovery to
  1406. all takers. One Dutch seed bank even claim that it is their own invention, I guess
  1407. cause the bought the formula from Skunkman? Over application of gibberillens cause
  1408. smaller and less vigorous seed! The habit of not letting them fully finish, the seeds
  1409. are grey, in distinct and hard to sprout.
  1410.  
  1411. Recently Dr Frankenbeanstein testified at another conference in Canada against the
  1412. use of industrial hemp in Canada! GW Pharm/Hortapharm are scared of the hemp
  1413. industry, why? You see, low industrial hemp produces GW’s miracle drug, CBD as a by
  1414. product! There is primariy one gene that tells a plant to be either a primary CBD
  1415. producer or a primary THC producer! The Bd gene produces the enzyme that converts
  1416. cannabigerol into CBD, and the gene Bt gene produces enzyme that converts cannabigerl
  1417. into THC. If a plant inherits a Bt gene from each parent it will only produce low
  1418. cannabigerol of CBD, and visa versa if it gets a Bd gene from each parent. If it
  1419. receives a Bd from one parent, and Bt from another, it will be roughly 50/50
  1420. chemotype, but this is not true breeding. Most herb in the med clubs is homozygous
  1421. for BT, meaning that it does not produce appreciable amounts of CBD. Since CBD
  1422. actually blocks the psychoactive effects of THC, it was selected against by American
  1423. breeders, even though it is extremely effective in boosting the medical efficacy of
  1424. cannabis, especially with regards to degenerative nervous condition, without any
  1425. psychoactivity! CBD by itself has also been shown to be very effective in treating
  1426. anxiety disorders with effectiveness of valium and other benzo drugs, without the
  1427. extreme addictiveness and potential for overdose! Valium and benzos are the most
  1428. dangerous drugs to detox from! Their withdrawal many times worse than crack or
  1429. heroin!
  1430.  
  1431. The only time cannabis users ever really had assess to a higher level of CBD was
  1432. with hashish farmed with populations with varying ratios of Bd and Bt genes! So as it
  1433. stands now, CBD is not available to any real extent to medical cannabis users! If
  1434. industrial hemp farmers were to catch on, that they’re producing a very needed
  1435. medicine, it will harm GW Pharm/Hortapharm!
  1436.  
  1437. In the UK all you hear is the dangers of the new Skunk-weed, that it leads to
  1438. psychosis, that it drives people insane. Just a few years back it looked like
  1439. cannabis laws in the UK were loosening. Cannabis was re-classified back down to level
  1440. 2, it was the lowest priority for the police. Then all of a sudden this new Skunk
  1441. strain is introduced causing mass hysteria and reefer madness, to the extent that
  1442. cannabis is reclassified back up to level1! What happened?
  1443.  
  1444. One thing we know, the last thing that GWPharm/Hortapharm want is the medical
  1445. cannabis scene catching hold as it has in California, and many other states in the
  1446. US, in the UK! Hortapharm with the support of DEA and GW Pharm have introduce a
  1447. geneticly engineered super strain of Skunkweed, that makes people paranoid,
  1448. psychotic, and makes you completely stupid. If your not an experienced smoker you may
  1449. not handle it well. First time smoker’s can be scared straight, never to use cannabis
  1450. again! Remember chief lobbyist/ spokeperson for GW Pharm is an X DEA head!
  1451. Cannabis has only been illegal 72 years, it had all ways been legal. 100 years ago
  1452. you could buy Cannabis Sativa Americana and Cannabis Indica extract from Parke Davis
  1453. Pharmaceuticals at your local drug store! In fact in the early 20th century Parke
  1454. Davis seed collectors introduced Indian sub-continent seed into Southern Appalachia
  1455. to create Cannabis Americana of equal or greater potency to the Indian sub-continent
  1456. product they were having difficulty importing due to disruption of shipping from
  1457. world war one! Parke Davis collected seeds from India, Turkestan, and Nepal, and sent
  1458. them back to be grown in the Blue Ridge mountains and Mexico! Parke Davis Scientist
  1459. conducted blind trials on themselves and found the American product both more
  1460. pleasant and more potent! Those heritage medical strains were selected from 100's of
  1461. years of selective breeding legally! Nothing today comes close to the heirloom
  1462. medical strains from that period. Anyone who states that the cannabis of today is
  1463. stronger than yesteryear is dreaming. The pot they smoked in the tea pads of Harlem
  1464. in the 1920's-30's was much better than any concocted strains today! Dr.
  1465. Frankenbeanstein with the help of Rob Clarke, Mel Frank, Ed Rosenthal, Milla
  1466. engineered the largest misinformation ripoff campaign in Cannabis history, that only
  1467. diluted the original Ice Water technique by attaching the ancient dry seiving method,
  1468. to confuse the origin of the now patented Ice Water Method. Attaching this seiving
  1469. technique to the Ice Water method, enabled them to sell Nylon at wedding dress
  1470. prices, but makes no sense! Due to their scam most of the bag product is no progress
  1471. since it contains more fiber than old style quality dry seived Hash and lost taste
  1472. and aroma!
  1473.  
  1474. In the Soumi LaValle book on hashish, you see first hand the seiving technique used
  1475. by a Lebanese family in Baalbek , the different screening process is shown in it’s
  1476. entirety, from that book came the idea for bags. In a dry seive you don’t release
  1477. oils, so the naturals terepenes are in the hash, which is sticky. The bag technique
  1478. releases the oils but only collects broken pieces of resin akin to kief not hash! The
  1479. Lebanese women doing the seiving, could out perform 1000 people using bags. It wasn’t
  1480. a revolutionary technique in hash making it was backward steps!
  1481.  
  1482. Yet clever Dutch and Canadian marketing sent out a huge learning curve, and people
  1483. have been ruining there medicine ever since! This ripoff of a patent method will soon
  1484. be settled in a Canadian court. I hate to burst your bubble but Milla and Bubbleman
  1485. had nothing to do with inventing the Ice Water technique! A patent which made all
  1486. traditional forms of processing cannabis obsolete. Dr Frankenbeans sold a patented
  1487. method that did not belong to him, and laid the foundation for GW Pharmaceuticals, we
  1488. all know that the first step of making Sativex is Ice Water Extraction! The damage
  1489. that has been done to Cannabis is immeasurable! He even sold Mexican and Central
  1490. American genetics, as well as Afghan genetics to GW, as his own!! A call to GW and we
  1491. were told that David Watson and Robert C. Clarke no longer work there. Robert
  1492.  
  1493. Clarke’s book on hashish, as well as Rosenthal, Cervantes, Mel Frank, all wrote in
  1494. support of the fraud. You see those idiots go by one rule, all stoner’s are stupid,
  1495. they feed on young stoner’s and medical patients with no cannabis knowledge. Since
  1496. Dutch seed companies control the media and information, they feel that cannabis
  1497. consumers will buy whatever they tell them to buy!
  1498.  
  1499. When old school ran the cannabis scene, you paid $30-50 an ounce for super Columbian
  1500. gold and red, $60-75 an ounce for high altitude seedless Mexican sativa, $100 an
  1501. ounce for the best Thai, $150 for Hawaiian so strong you thought you were on acid.!
  1502. Now you pay $35 for one seed of Jack Herer, which is Mexican genetics. Ed Rosenthal
  1503. sold our pot culture to the Dutch Monopoly, and now the Dutch seed companies are
  1504. selling it back to us at $20 a seed!
  1505.  
  1506. By 2009, several old school pioneers whose books debunked all the myth and out right
  1507. lying surrounding David Watson/Dr Frankenbeanstein. Dutch cannabis industry should
  1508. thank Ronald Reagan by naming a sewer canal after him! Reagan shut us down,
  1509. imprisoned for years, stripped of their wealth and left with nothing to defend
  1510. themselves. In fact The Black Tuna gang leaders still in prison nearly 30 years,
  1511. Brian Daniels the Thai Stick King recently released after 27 years. Howard Marks who
  1512. no doubt sold a lot of cannabis, was a spoke in the Daniels wheel! They used the US
  1513. Air force, Navy, and the Coast Guard to shut down the entire Caribbean, Gulf of
  1514. Mexico, the Eastern and Western seaboard, to finally shut us down, but before we were
  1515. shut down we had a baby, and that baby was called Home Grown American, from the seeds
  1516. we brought back from Asia!
  1517.  
  1518. Watson’s claim that he was the breeder of California Orange debunked by Jerry
  1519. Beisler’s book, The Bandit of Kabul. In the book Jerry shows his creation California
  1520. Orange, and some of the earliest photos of outdoor grows known circa 1973-74, Jerry
  1521. ran one of the earliest documented seed banks in California!
  1522. Without Ronald Reagan the Dutch cannabis industry would have never happened, the pot
  1523. scene is an American phenomenon that spread around the globe!
  1524. It is just a matter of time before one of the medical states legalizes and taxes and
  1525. regulates cannabis. In fact there is a bill being presented in California that would
  1526. do just that! It would tax cannabis $50 an ounce! The Billions in revenue that would
  1527. generate would cause other medical states to follow, remember folks we are in a
  1528. depression! California legalization is the Dutch Cannabis industry’s worst nightmare.
  1529. Once the coffee shops open in San Francisco, that will be the death of the Dutch
  1530. ripoff scene. American seed banks will be able to operate openly on the world stage!
  1531. Organic land race American seed unpolluted by Dutch genetics will take over the
  1532. market world wide!
  1533.  
  1534. The original strains are still available and wild cannabis still flourishes.
  1535. American growers are going back to the original heirloom medical strains and creating
  1536. there own hybrids. Most of the original American strains have been bred and re-bred,
  1537. engineered and re-engineered by the Dutch seed companies, that at this point are
  1538. useless to the breeder.
  1539.  
  1540. Monsanto terminator technology is being applied to our beloved Cannabis by Dr.
  1541. Frankenbeanstein at Hortapharm in Holland. Let me explain exactly what this means and
  1542. use cotton as example!
  1543.  
  1544. In the cotton example, the goal is to develop a variety of cotton that will grow
  1545. normal until the crop is almost mature. Then, and only then, a toxin will be produced
  1546. in the (seed) embryos, specifically killing the entire next generation of seeds. The
  1547. system has three components: 1. A gene for a toxin that will kill the seed late in
  1548. development, but that will not kill any other part of the plant. 2. A method for
  1549. allowing a plant breeder to grow several generations of cotton plants, already
  1550. genetically-engineered to contain the seed-specific toxin gene, without any seeds
  1551. dying. This is required to produce enough seeds to sell for farmers’ to plant. 3. A
  1552. method for activating the engineered seed- specific toxin gene after the farmer
  1553. plants the seeds, so that the farmer’s second generation will be killed.. These three
  1554. tasks are accomplished by engineering a series of genes, which are all transferred
  1555. permanently to the plant, so that they are passed on via the normal reproduction of
  1556. the plant.
  1557.  
  1558. Dr Frankenbeanstein threatened Skunk magazine to have all Dutch advertizing
  1559. cancelled, which amount to 60% of their revenue, after printing part one of this
  1560. article! This is the complete article. Skunk, High Times, Cannabis Culture, Weed-
  1561. World in reality are trade pamphlets, that support the continuing rip off of our
  1562. cannabis community by Hortapharm/GW Pharm/DEA, and the Dutch Cannabis Industry.
  1563. The one beacon of truth telling is Treating yourself magazine in our community. My
  1564. only claim to fame being that I have always been a general in Lord Shiva’s Ganja
  1565. Army. Bom Shiva Bom Shankar Joe Pietri
  1566.  
  1567. King of Nepal
  1568.  
  1569.  
  1570. ^Joe is also a strain stealing snitch who admits in his book to helping the DEA but the fact remains, there is an abundance of evidence that Sam is a DEA snitch and is actively working to both control, and ruin the cannabis gene pool with terminator technology.
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