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  1. [2011-12-05 00:00:09] <TheBeardiestBob> Second statement is also true if written as 'the worst players challenge their DMs' in fairness. Just in a different way.
  2. [2011-12-05 00:00:18] <TheBeardiestBob> And so is the first I suppose
  3. [2011-12-05 00:00:29] <Ironybot> Hiding bodies is rather challenging, I suppose.
  4. [2011-12-05 00:00:30] <TheBeardiestBob> Shit and Epic, two sides of the same coin
  5. [2011-12-05 00:02:36] <Ironybot> I am sorry that I couldn't work more than the pitiful three puns I managed into my dialogue suggestions. I am not a masterful punmeister.
  6. [2011-12-05 00:03:03] <Ironybot> In retrospect I should definitely have used "you're keeping me in the dark" when talking to the Shadowbro, though. That was a terrible oversight.
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  8. [2011-12-05 00:13:27] <MrTT> @Ironybot: That would have been punny
  9. [2011-12-05 00:16:29] <TheBeardiestBob> So WHAT are you talking to Silja about in this run?
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  12. [2011-12-05 00:23:17] <MrTT> bob, how far are you in skyrim?
  13. [2011-12-05 00:23:27] <TheBeardiestBob> In what manner?
  14. [2011-12-05 00:25:41] <Ironybot> It looks like the suggestions for talking to Silja focus mostly on casual chat, and using our blood to let her see the sights in Turkey if we're wandering around the city.
  15. [2011-12-05 00:26:39] <Ironybot> Presumably if we're showing her things and she hasn't done a lot of travel that would easily segue into discussion of interesting places in different countries and so forth which we should be able to easily spin into a positive thing as far as looking forward to the future with travel and such goes.
  16. [2011-12-05 00:41:45] <TheBeardiestBob> I'm getting there
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  18. [2011-12-05 00:56:59] <MrTT> level, anything left that can challange you, rough guess at how many side quests you did, did you finish major quest, and major faction stuff (like, done with mage college, done with theives guild, etc)
  19. [2011-12-05 00:58:04] <TheBeardiestBob> Level: 62, nothing can challenge, guess at the majority, did not finish major quest because I have too much fun repeating it, finished all non-war factions.
  20. [2011-12-05 00:58:08] <MrTT> I am level 56, practically done with thieves guild (need to return the key and thats it... but i am keeping it for now). Done with mage college, midway with companions... need to find the elder scroll in main quest. Done hundreds of side quests (nearly done with all of them), nothing challanges me, ultimate gear, 200k moneies
  21. [2011-12-05 00:58:30] <TheBeardiestBob> So why are we doing this e-penis comparison?
  22. [2011-12-05 00:58:35] <TheBeardiestBob> I must have missed something.
  23. [2011-12-05 00:58:50] <MrTT> its not meant as an epenis competition
  24. [2011-12-05 00:59:00] <MrTT> i was curios how far you got in the game
  25. [2011-12-05 00:59:12] <TheBeardiestBob> but why are you curious?
  26. [2011-12-05 00:59:50] <MrTT> that is an interesting question...
  27. [2011-12-05 01:00:30] <MrTT> i guess small talk
  28. [2011-12-05 01:01:09] <MrTT> and some rough estimate to base our other conversations about the game
  29. [2011-12-05 01:01:35] <TheBeardiestBob> Why would our comparitive progress in the game's setting be a small talk point, rather than directly asking about specific facets of said game?
  30. [2011-12-05 01:03:01] <MrTT> i hadn't properly considered the branching nature of the game when i first asked
  31. [2011-12-05 01:05:08] <MrTT> you know what, thinking about it the game is largely paralel... there are a bunch of faction / stories... but each one is linear... with a few exceptions (eg: ally with stormcloaks or imperials)
  32. [2011-12-05 01:05:56] <MrTT> sure you can choose the order in which you do thieves guild, civil war, mage college, or main quest...
  33. [2011-12-05 01:06:05] <MrTT> but there isn't all that much actual choich within those
  34. [2011-12-05 01:06:30] <TheBeardiestBob> so are you talking to yourself or are we having a conversation? This seems more rhetoric than anything resembling a part of a dialogue at this point.
  35. [2011-12-05 01:06:56] <MrTT> i am making a statement into a relatively dead chat with the potential to trigger a conversation
  36. [2011-12-05 01:06:56] <Wutenheimer> have you done any of the deadric quests bob?
  37. [2011-12-05 01:07:17] <TheBeardiestBob> Indeed I have
  38. [2011-12-05 01:07:25] <TheBeardiestBob> favorite was Molag Bal's
  39. [2011-12-05 01:07:36] <Wutenheimer> i liked that one, it was my first
  40. [2011-12-05 01:07:37] <MrTT> you kidding?
  41. [2011-12-05 01:07:38] <TheBeardiestBob> just for the exorcist start.
  42. [2011-12-05 01:07:56] <TheBeardiestBob> No in fact I am not.
  43. [2011-12-05 01:08:02] <MrTT> that was one of the worst quests in the game
  44. [2011-12-05 01:08:20] <MrTT> but i admit that the exorcist start was cool looking
  45. [2011-12-05 01:08:21] <TheBeardiestBob> why do you insist on treating personal opinion as fact?
  46. [2011-12-05 01:08:29] <Wutenheimer> my favorite is a toss up between sheogorath's and clavicus vile's quests
  47. [2011-12-05 01:08:36] <MrTT> why do you insist on treating my opinion as statement of fact?
  48. [2011-12-05 01:09:04] <MrTT> I made a statement, it came from my mouth. It is a statement about taste, that makes it subjective by definition... by all definitions this is a statement of opinion
  49. [2011-12-05 01:09:06] <TheBeardiestBob> Why do you not recognize your phrasing only implied authoritative declaration, rather than offering of an opinion?
  50. [2011-12-05 01:09:11] <MrTT> there is no need of saying "in my opinion"
  51. [2011-12-05 01:09:14] <MrTT> it is obvious
  52. [2011-12-05 01:09:20] <TheBeardiestBob> Why do you say the statement came from your mouth when you typed it?
  53. [2011-12-05 01:09:34] <MrTT> i spoke at the keyboard
  54. [2011-12-05 01:09:40] <TheBeardiestBob> where is the accuracy you have claimed to enjoy seeking in conversation at earlier points?
  55. [2011-12-05 01:09:41] <Wutenheimer> magic
  56. [2011-12-05 01:10:00] <TheBeardiestBob> And if there is no need to clarify what is opinion and what is fact why is it necessary in so many arenas of life?
  57. [2011-12-05 01:10:33] <MrTT> for all you know i am using voice to text software
  58. [2011-12-05 01:10:39] <MrTT> like nuance dragon speaking naturally
  59. [2011-12-05 01:10:42] <MrTT> which i am not at the moment
  60. [2011-12-05 01:11:05] <TheBeardiestBob> Why are you further defending a point you admitted to be an error?
  61. [2011-12-05 01:11:14] <TheBeardiestBob> What purpose does the additional clarification serve?
  62. [2011-12-05 01:11:48] <Wutenheimer> speech level up!
  63. [2011-12-05 01:12:13] <Wutenheimer> speaking of, what's the hardest skill to train? i find it's speech
  64. [2011-12-05 01:12:15] <MrTT> 1. its funny. 2. since when are you a grammar nazi? Yes I said "from my mouth" when I am actually typing so its "from my fingers"... obviously i used a figure of speech
  65. [2011-12-05 01:12:24] <MrTT> I thought you HATED grammer nazies
  66. [2011-12-05 01:12:34] <Wutenheimer> 1. not really. 2. always
  67. [2011-12-05 01:12:36] <TheBeardiestBob> For one, if I type, verbatim 'Molag Bal Quest was the best Daedric quest' there is nothing that directly shows this is a stated opinion, not a stated fact. 'Molag Bal is my favorite quest' is my stated opinion, as is 'I think the Molag Bal quest is the best'
  68. [2011-12-05 01:12:37] <MrTT> i have to admit i have a little of the grammar nazi in me
  69. [2011-12-05 01:12:41] <Grail> Speech is probably the hardest to train.
  70. [2011-12-05 01:12:44] <TheBeardiestBob> But you stated it.
  71. [2011-12-05 01:12:47] <TheBeardiestBob> As if it was fact.
  72. [2011-12-05 01:12:51] <Grail> I can't really think of any power leveling methods
  73. [2011-12-05 01:12:57] <TheBeardiestBob> An error that you are dancing around admitting.
  74. [2011-12-05 01:13:03] <MrTT> there is something that shows it as a stated opinion
  75. [2011-12-05 01:13:09] <MrTT> 1. its subjective. 2. you stated it
  76. [2011-12-05 01:13:15] <TheBeardiestBob> Likely because you are a grammar nazi and do not like being wrong.
  77. [2011-12-05 01:13:19] <MrTT> it is by definition a stated opinion
  78. [2011-12-05 01:13:21] <Wutenheimer> grail, every transaction counts as the same amount of ep
  79. [2011-12-05 01:13:23] <Wutenheimer> xp*
  80. [2011-12-05 01:13:39] <Wutenheimer> so you hit enter home enter, enter home enter, etc
  81. [2011-12-05 01:13:40] <MrTT> you might ask "does the speaker REALIZE that it is only their opinion and not an absolute fact... that it is possible for people to have different tastes"
  82. [2011-12-05 01:13:46] <MrTT> and that CANNOT be inferred from the phrasing
  83. [2011-12-05 01:13:52] <Wutenheimer> for huge stacks of iron arrows or whatever
  84. [2011-12-05 01:13:54] <Shifter31> Social skills in all elder scrolls games have been tedious.
  85. [2011-12-05 01:14:00] <Grail> Huh well that works then
  86. [2011-12-05 01:14:02] <TheBeardiestBob> Again you dance around admitting it.
  87. [2011-12-05 01:14:09] <MrTT> to attempt to make such an inferrence is to be splitting hairs, be a grammer nazi, and make assumptions
  88. [2011-12-05 01:14:22] <Wutenheimer> it fuckin sucks though
  89. [2011-12-05 01:14:29] <Grail> I've never really found myself in a situation where I wanted to power level speech though
  90. [2011-12-05 01:14:48] <MrTT> just selling shit naturally i recently hit speech 92
  91. [2011-12-05 01:14:55] <MrTT> speech levels... it just happens
  92. [2011-12-05 01:15:08] <TheBeardiestBob> Why do you not like admitting when you could be wrong, or even COULD be wrong, when you've professed a love of both being corrected, and correcting?
  93. [2011-12-05 01:15:15] <MrTT> I love admitting when I can be wrong
  94. [2011-12-05 01:15:15] <Wutenheimer> at that point why do you even sell shit
  95. [2011-12-05 01:15:17] <MrTT> i admit it all the time
  96. [2011-12-05 01:15:21] <MrTT> but this time i am not wrong
  97. [2011-12-05 01:15:23] <Wutenheimer> i stopped at 20k
  98. [2011-12-05 01:15:25] <TheBeardiestBob> What explanation do you offer for this apparent cognitive dissonance?
  99. [2011-12-05 01:15:35] <TheBeardiestBob> What have you admitted to being wrong about on this chat?
  100. [2011-12-05 01:15:44] <MrTT> you know the people who say "my X died" and you say "I am sorry" and they say "Why are you apologizing you didn't do it!"
  101. [2011-12-05 01:15:48] <Grail> Dunno, maybe you want the achievement for having a ridiculous amount of gold?
  102. [2011-12-05 01:15:51] <MrTT> This argument you are doing is like that
  103. [2011-12-05 01:16:16] <TheBeardiestBob> Why do you not recognize a taste of your own medicine, converting endless correction to endless questioning?
  104. [2011-12-05 01:16:20] <Ironybot> Bob, since you may not have noticed this yet- http://tgchan.org/wiki/Guns_for_Hire_Minions is now a thing.
  105. [2011-12-05 01:16:35] <MrTT> are you saying that you are doing it intentionally to teach me a lesson?
  106. [2011-12-05 01:16:50] <TheBeardiestBob> How is that page accessed from the root page of the GfH wiki? I didn't spot the linkage
  107. [2011-12-05 01:17:00] <Ironybot> The idea is that we will all keep track of our minions and their profiles there, so that you (and us) can easily reference them rather than mucking about in the discussion thread looking for things.
  108. [2011-12-05 01:17:04] <TheBeardiestBob> Why can you not recognize that it need not be meant to be a lesson?
  109. [2011-12-05 01:17:11] <MrTT> because I explicitly stated at the begining that you are doing something I thought you hated and that I sometimes do and shouldn't... so apparently i did recognize it
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  111. [2011-12-05 01:17:22] <Ironybot> I... don't think it's actually been added to the GfH actual quest wiki page.
  112. [2011-12-05 01:17:25] <Grail> Though Speech does have some important perks in it's tree
  113. [2011-12-05 01:17:26] <Shifter31> It's not actually linked on GfH mainpage yet...
  114. [2011-12-05 01:17:35] <Grail> Someone should fix that
  115. [2011-12-05 01:17:40] <Grail> Do you want to do it Irony?
  116. [2011-12-05 01:17:42] <MrTT> "a taste of your own medicine", and "Why can you not recognize that it need not be meant to be a lesson?"
  117. [2011-12-05 01:17:43] <MrTT> wtf?
  118. [2011-12-05 01:17:45] <Ironybot> Sure.
  119. [2011-12-05 01:17:55] <MrTT> a taste of your own medicine explicitly states its a lesson
  120. [2011-12-05 01:18:04] <MrTT> unless my understanding of that english saying is faulty
  121. [2011-12-05 01:18:38] <TheBeardiestBob> why does 'taste of your own medicine' imply a lesson?
  122. [2011-12-05 01:18:47] <MrTT> "teaching you a lesson"
  123. [2011-12-05 01:18:48] <TheBeardiestBob> what part of the phrase implies a lesson is meant?
  124. [2011-12-05 01:18:59] <TheBeardiestBob> why did you change phrases?
  125. [2011-12-05 01:19:00] <MrTT> teaching you a lesson can also be beating someone up
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  127. [2011-12-05 01:19:08] <Ironybot> Should I just stick a link at the top of the page, since honestly the Guns for Hire wiki page is so absurdly bulky that putting it anywhere else would make it almost impossible to find/notice?
  128. [2011-12-05 01:19:16] <MrTT> "<MrTT> are you saying that you are doing it intentionally to teach me a lesson?"
  129. [2011-12-05 01:19:21] <MrTT> I explicitly said "teaching me a lesson"
  130. [2011-12-05 01:19:22] <TheBeardiestBob> That seems best Ironybot
  131. [2011-12-05 01:19:25] <Ironybot> At some point soon we should put a "related pages" section in there and start pulling out information.
  132. [2011-12-05 01:19:26] <MrTT> which is a turn of phrase in english
  133. [2011-12-05 01:19:42] <TheBeardiestBob> Why are you quoting what you said to justify an interpretation of a different person's words?
  134. [2011-12-05 01:19:48] <TheBeardiestBob> What logic backs up this jump?
  135. [2011-12-05 01:20:09] <MrTT> aren't you a native english speaker bob?
  136. [2011-12-05 01:20:37] <MrTT> I Shouldn't have to explain to you what a turn of phrase means.
  137. [2011-12-05 01:21:07] <Ironybot> There, link added.
  138. [2011-12-05 01:21:11] <TheBeardiestBob> Why do you seem so certain one of several meanings to a phrase is relevant in it's usage this time?
  139. [2011-12-05 01:21:19] <Grail> Does the quest wiki have a collapsing feature in it?
  140. [2011-12-05 01:21:32] <TheBeardiestBob> What shows I was definitively using that specific meaning of 'taste of your own medicine' in this instance?
  141. [2011-12-05 01:21:36] <Ironybot> No, I'm pretty sure it doesn't. I've checked a couple times.
  142. [2011-12-05 01:21:48] <MrTT> also... i quoted what I said to counter the accusation of me changing the wording... specifially "<TheBeardiestBob> why did you change phrases?"
  143. [2011-12-05 01:21:48] <Ironybot> I even requested that they add such a feature once, but that didn't work out.
  144. [2011-12-05 01:21:54] <MrTT> I quoted it to show I did not change the phrase
  145. [2011-12-05 01:21:56] <Grail> Ah what did they say?
  146. [2011-12-05 01:22:05] <TheBeardiestBob> Why have you switched what you are defending?
  147. [2011-12-05 01:22:18] <Grail> Or did they not say anything at all?
  148. [2011-12-05 01:22:23] <MrTT> http://www.usingenglish.com/reference/idioms/taste+of+your+own+medicine.html
  149. [2011-12-05 01:22:28] <MrTT> If you give someone a taste of their own medicine, you do something bad to someone that they have done to you to teach them a lesson.
  150. [2011-12-05 01:22:54] <MrTT> thats a quote btw
  151. [2011-12-05 01:22:56] <Ironybot> Honestly I can't really remember this late at night and after this amount of time, but I recall it being something along the lines of "we don't have a feature like that and don't really need one", though more politely.
  152. [2011-12-05 01:23:06] <MrTT> it might not seem like one since its verbatim what i was claiming earlier
  153. [2011-12-05 01:23:22] <Ironybot> There are only a few specific pages- like Guns for Hire- that would make use of it, so I imagine there's not a ton of incentive there.
  154. [2011-12-05 01:23:28] <TheBeardiestBob> Why do you assume a single repository of information's definition of a given widely used phrase is the definitive meaning of it?
  155. [2011-12-05 01:23:33] <Grail> I expected as much, the wiki isn't really used for other quests the way we use it for GQ or GfH
  156. [2011-12-05 01:24:19] <MrTT> I have never seen another interpretation of it. I just googled it and the first result matched what isaid verbatim... if you have another interpretation please share it
  157. [2011-12-05 01:24:26] <MrTT> we might even find citation for it
  158. [2011-12-05 01:25:16] <MrTT> but to answer a question you asked long ago... I assume you meant that interptetation because its the only interptetation I know of for that idiom and because I have cited sources showing the same
  159. [2011-12-05 01:25:49] <MrTT> is it even still "assuming" if you are basing it on cited knowledge?
  160. [2011-12-05 01:26:26] <MrTT> btw bob... i am pretty sure you are not really attacking me and just playing a game where you turn everything i say into "why do you assume"
  161. [2011-12-05 01:26:35] <MrTT> this I am assuming
  162. [2011-12-05 01:26:41] <MrTT> :)
  163. [2011-12-05 01:27:18] <MrTT> reminds me of my friend who goes "good story, could have used a vampire" on everything I tell him... which really really gets under my skin
  164. [2011-12-05 01:29:06] <Ralith> good story, could have used a vampire
  165. [2011-12-05 01:29:23] * MrTT foams at the mouth a bit
  166. [2011-12-05 01:29:39] <MrTT> i... should not have shared this with you
  167. [2011-12-05 01:31:52] <Grail> I'm hungry
  168. [2011-12-05 01:31:59] <Grail> Too late for take out though...
  169. [2011-12-05 01:34:40] <MrTT> wow, just wow... http://my.deviantart.com/messages/#/d4i7p59
  170. [2011-12-05 01:34:43] <MrTT> especially the ending
  171. [2011-12-05 01:34:47] |<-- TMIoverload has left irc.rizon.net (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
  172. [2011-12-05 01:34:57] <MrTT> @Grail, if in USA there is walmart
  173. [2011-12-05 01:37:59] <Grail> Walmart in the dead of night is not a place I want to be
  174. [2011-12-05 01:38:18] <Grail> I'm just going to cook something
  175. [2011-12-05 01:46:08] <Grail> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-_CGcG5hfr8
  176. [2011-12-05 01:46:09] <Classhole> Grail: Game Fails: Skyrim "Yeah, how do YOU like it?" - length 53s - rated 4.98/5.0 (447) - 304 views - GameFails on 2011.12.05
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  178. [2011-12-05 01:53:01] <Shifter31> Wow, Eye of Cthulu is quite weak this version.
  179. [2011-12-05 01:55:33] <TheBeardiestBob> Update
  180. [2011-12-05 01:55:39] <Alratan> damn, my repost missed the update
  181. [2011-12-05 01:57:13] <MrTT> ?gfh
  182. [2011-12-05 01:57:13] <Classhole> http://tgchan.org/kusaba/quest/res/360354+50.html
  183. [2011-12-05 01:57:52] <ManOfZeon> Yay, update!
  184. [2011-12-05 01:58:16] <TheBeardiestBob> For those curious, you still need more haggling to get an upgrade in trait
  185. [2011-12-05 01:58:48] <ManOfZeon> Well, if we give you one of our Ms could we get two upgrades to haggling?
  186. [2011-12-05 01:58:59] <ManOfZeon> [trying to gain haggling via meta-haggling]
  187. [2011-12-05 02:01:25] <Alratan> Ah Bob
  188. [2011-12-05 02:01:32] <Alratan> you may have misunderstoof
  189. [2011-12-05 02:01:39] <Alratan> the gold sellers don't sell gold
  190. [2011-12-05 02:01:58] <Alratan> I explained in my second post
  191. [2011-12-05 02:02:07] <Alratan> and gave a link
  192. [2011-12-05 02:02:12] <Alratan> but you may have missed it whilst I was reposting
  193. [2011-12-05 02:03:08] <Alratan> http://tgchan.org/kusaba/quest/res/360354.html#369949
  194. [2011-12-05 02:04:17] <TheBeardiestBob> Yeah, going to default to 'Einrik in point of fact knows gold sells that actually CARRY gold in Gold Seller alley-because that's what he's looked for when there before'
  195. [2011-12-05 02:04:21] <TheBeardiestBob> So pipe down
  196. [2011-12-05 02:04:45] <TheBeardiestBob> Actually I wonder about that phrase
  197. [2011-12-05 02:04:54] <TheBeardiestBob> how did 'pipe down' become a way to shush someone?
  198. [2011-12-05 02:05:14] <TheBeardiestBob> I mean, the only pipes I can think it to reference would merely be dropping in octave
  199. [2011-12-05 02:06:01] <Alratan> it's musical, as you think
  200. [2011-12-05 02:06:13] <Ironybot> The whole summer body/winter soul thing seems like it should have meaningful implications for us and our powerset if we can think through exactly what they are.
  201. [2011-12-05 02:06:40] <Alratan> I ssupect we need to grow our SUmmer blood line in strength
  202. [2011-12-05 02:06:51] <Ironybot> I'm too tired to work through it now, but there's something there.
  203. [2011-12-05 02:06:52] <Alratan> and aspect our body more towards winter
  204. [2011-12-05 02:08:32] <Alratan> Well, we didn't do any of the things I actually considered important in the day
  205. [2011-12-05 02:08:33] <Alratan> sigh
  206. [2011-12-05 02:08:52] <Alratan> what a waste of time that post was
  207. [2011-12-05 02:13:00] <MrTT> i prefer we keep the balanced winter/summer approach
  208. [2011-12-05 02:13:24] <MrTT> and in fact find some taoism yin/yang thing to make the whole thing smoother
  209. [2011-12-05 02:13:28] <MrTT> borders might help there
  210. [2011-12-05 02:14:50] <MrTT> alratan, we had a random encounter
  211. [2011-12-05 02:14:59] <MrTT> those are usually good...
  212. [2011-12-05 02:15:16] <MrTT> even when they are bad (bastard cut off our arm!) they are still heralds of big things
  213. [2011-12-05 02:16:04] <Grail> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xDXT7wC9jrc
  214. [2011-12-05 02:16:04] <Classhole> Grail: The Chordettes - Mr. Sandman - length 2m 22s - rated 4.97/5.0 (3792) - 877269 views - John1948TwoC on 2009.11.29
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