Re: Charley cheating

Re: Charley's defense (http://pastebin.com/0nEKbThz)

== [email protected] or PM Underwood77 ==

I'm going to analyse Charley's defence by going through her pastebin and picking out the flaws/inconsistencies. I am unaware if her pastebin is an official defence since every accused cheater has 24 hours to respond, but if it is *not* an official defence, nor is this. I consider that a fair system.

You've looked at 4 games out of at least 30 you've been accused of. 13% of your games which are obviously subjective is inexcusable by any unbiased perspective.

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"So you are saying because I play ranked games with friends that i am cheating? If you look back at ranked games in the past (which im sure mods can do a lot easier than I can) in which I did play with friends I have lost, yet over time you learn how certain people scumtell and towntell."

I've shown you at least 30 games where there's suspicion that you've been cheating. It is not a crime to play ranked (competitive, specifically) with friends unless you're meta abusing (which isn't strictly moderated, at all) or simply cheating. It doesn't matter if you've lost when playing with friends, because other people are also suspected; you are merely considered a ring-leader in this situation. Plus, when people called you out and started accusing you of cheating in games; your win rate plummeted, which is highly coincidental.

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If you've learnt how certain people tell in games - why do you continue to play with them? Over 90% of your games had at least one 'friend' there, so were you playing with them for meta? There's instances you've killed arianna n1 when she is a PR but also kept her alive as a PR for her to townread you - why? You've also denied using meta the entire round, but you've just contradicted yourself twice.

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"https://epicmafia.com/game/2904642/review -for this game yes we did use the ml on someone that didnt know that was going on because either way he was bad for town. As i explained in the game if he is town he will be bad in lylo, if he was mafia then fair enough. Also kenso said something in the game which made it quite obvious who mafia was on day1. "

On day 2, you have 5 people alive. Charley, Savirinio, arianna and magicfan are all town. Lyttontea is mafia. Arianna randomly says she fos's lytton without elaborating and Charley immediately says "well im using the ml on lytton" - This is an evident sheep of a vote especially when arianna was the one who had the original fos and didn't expand on it. Magicfan was clear BP, so to Charley she had the option of voting between her two friends or a noob and she chose the noob. It's fine to use a ML to eradicate liabilities or people who'd be bad at lylo, but the fact you instantly sheeped arianna, didn't consider anything else (like your meta buddies being scum) makes it suspicious. I like how arianna comes out with these bold; mostly accurate reads but can never explain them; it's an emerging pattern in your games, Charley.

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"https://epicmafia.com/game/2904606/review - Yes i misshammered on uprizzle because i scumread him? I was wrong this proves nothing and we didnt win because of me at all, As for arianna orcing on me you will have to ask her. I orc her because tbh she doesnt towntell well."

This game is merely subjective. You may not have been cheating with Uprizzle and this game was most likely after being accused of cheating. There's also the straight possibility you didn't know who mafia was, since imsooosmartical and bassmakespaste haven't played much with you. Despite the fact that this game had five people you knew in game. Arianna orcing you doesn't matter at all, but she probably wanted you to be clear, again irrelevant if you didn't know mafia. You ask for self votes near enough immediately and say "I'm going to hammer wrong" - The entire first day has arianna talking to herself in the graveyard saying "it was uprizzle tbh" and "fos uprizzle or smarti" which ironically was the hammer Charley chose. That's a really bad game to use when defending yourself, Charley.


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"https://epicmafia.com/game/2897179/review - "if this is town just lynch styx" .. yes because it was auto and it happens a lot mafia nk'ing in this set up to frame someone else that was common sense. "

Yeah, you're right in this case. Charley's starting to redeem herself. Just Kidding.

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"https://epicmafia.com/game/2897204/review - Chupps was hammered this game because he cc'd drunk and i had guilty on him so yes that is why i hammered on him. Who wouldn't?"

Just because he was a drunk claim and he was guilty doesn't give you the authority to lynch him. You ask who wouldn't lynch him in that situation, and then you realize there's a framer in the setup.. or we can go with your version of events and think you're 100% in a 50/50 consistently.

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"Underwood77 mentioned "sigmund" was in my game to look for cheating, yet I didn't know any of this was going on until now. Also He mentioned he has said something to me before then i started playing alone? No he hadn't said anything to me before I have never heard nor seen him on epic mafia until now. Also I started playing alone yes because despite what you seem to think not all of my ranked games are played with friends."

I've never mentioned Sigmund looking for you cheating. He, like others have accused you of cheating. After the accusations, you started solo playing and losing games wrecking your win streaks. You've played like what, 88% of your games with the same people? And of those 12% you play solo, you tend to lose heavily; so you're relying on meta and you're most likely rolesharing at maximum.

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"Yes me and arianna townread each other a lot so what, yes we know each others scum tells and yes arianna does sheep my reads a lot. Which probably shouldn't happen. But a number of people have said even they know when arianna is mafia or town. She has a very obvious scumtell which you can see within the games. As for her sheeping me and townreading me you will have to ask her because i've never actually noticed it until now. As for "graveyard vision" how do you suppose this happens when I now log of skype to play ranked games? I didn't in the past I'll admit that but i started doing it due to being distracted on it (with people that arent in the game) For the people referenced I have 1 on Skype and that yes is Arianna and Volt But as it says here ( http://puu.sh/8fUYC.png ) I told my friend Volt on Skype i was going offline because i was playing ranked. So I don't see how you can think i have gy vision any other way? Because when in fact I do not."

You know, you've said nothing productive here apart from admitting to basically relying on meta throughout your entire games, if arianna keeps sheeping your reads - why on earth are you still playing with her? You've never noticed arianna sheeping you? She's probably one of the worst players on the site, you not realizing she follows your reads is a blatant lie. You can appear offline on skype, you can also delete people on skype and photoshop skype logs, so that sort of defence depends on perspective. You've had GY vision numerous times, but also allowed yourself and others to meta abuse, if not externally.

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"As for all the other games mentioned yes okay I'll admit if knowing your friends scumtells/towntells from playing with them a lot is considered cheating then fine, but there has been no hard cheating not once have I been in a ranked game and told my friend within the game my role nor do I use my alt "charleigh" to throw for volt."

If you knew it was cheating (which it pretty much isn't unless hardcore meta abuse which you're still doing) why did you continue to play with the same people? You've done nothing to prove you're innocent of the charges; going into games and lobby chats and saying "let's cheat", even as a joke doesn't help. You've played with Volt, three times on Charleigh. All those games he's won. You stopped playing on it, only games were with Volt; so that's another, blatant lie. At minimum you've meta abused hard, and you've most likely roleshared at least 3 or 4 times.


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"Yes its easy to go through games and come up with things that seem like cheating/meta abuse, I am sure you can do it in anyones games. When in fact its me,arianna and sav playing together because we do actually enjoying playing together. So if you consider playing with your friends for fun and knowing their towntells etc cheating then ok. Ban me."

It's subjective. There's been over 30 games where you've acted sucpiously, I've explained this in the previous pastebin very carefully, your defence lies on "I wouldn't do that". You're seriously in denial until you start explaining the other 87% of games you've somehow missed; or even the majority - but until then you've pretty much obviously cheated.

>P.S. Playing with the same people over and over again; when you have established meta is not fun.<