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<Kus> cassidyjames, i dont think that it solves anything i have
<Kus> asked
<cassidyjames> Kus: What're you trying to do?
<Kus> where should the "--pkg gstreamer-0.10" part be placed in the CMakelists.txt?
<cassidyjames> Kus: Oh.
<Kus> compile something with gstreamer
<cassidyjames> Kus: Uh, no clue. :-/
<Kus> maybe tomorrow
<Kus> bye all
<samtate> ah fuck this email stuff
<samtate> I'll fix it tomorrow
<samtate> Bye everyone
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<andydam> Hi, I'm trying to boot Elementary OS off a live cd.
<andydam> And I'm getting a black screen after the boot menu.
<andydam> How can I get it to work?
<andydam> My graphics card is a 4870X2.
<andydam> Anyone?
<andydam> Anyone here?
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<timorei> sortof
<timorei> but honestly, I don't know how to help - sry. I only know nvidia-pain
<ampharos> next time buy intel and a gaming console
<andydam> :|
<ampharos> i got sick of that graphics card crap before i installed any linux
<ampharos> intel just works and offers pretty decent OGL performance
<ampharos> enough for TUX RACER
<andydam> not enough for crysis
<ampharos> an xbox is ;)
<andydam> :\
<ampharos> i just bought and xbox and only played older PC games
<ampharos> besides, they just port console games nowadays anyways
<andydam> i guess
<andydam> so i guess im screwed?
<andydam> elementary does work fine on my mac though
<andydam> which also has an ati card
<ampharos> ask around in #ubuntu
<ampharos> elementary is basically 10.10 with sp,e updates applied anyways
<andydam> alright
<ampharos> if ubuntu 10.10 doesn't work elementary likely won;t
<ampharos> so try natty and immediately install the luna preview
<andydam> how do i set the resolution in the live cd boot menu
<ampharos> try safe mode
<andydam> safe mode?
<ampharos> it will at least give you vesa with low res
<andydam> what are the parameters for it?
<ampharos> if vesa doesn't work your hardware's fucked up
<andydam> theres no option on the live cd boot menu
<ampharos> it should be in the boot menu
<andydam> im trying to boot off of the live cd
<ampharos> yes
<ampharos> it should be a menu you can access in the CD
<andydam> alright ill go see
<ampharos> mash space before you see the elementary bootsplash
<ampharos> or whatever
<ampharos> safemode should be there
<andydam> alright
<ampharos> and when you install as well
<andydam> i cant even get to the bootsplash
<ampharos> i gtg
<andydam> :|
<andydam> alright tanks
<andydam> *thanks
<ampharos> well just mash space!
<andydam> are you still here ampharos?
<andydam> :|
<andydam> theres no safe mode
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<andydam> ahah!
<andydam> nomodeset did the trick
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<pspeter3> What text editor do the elementary devs code in?
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<eos-site-user1> some days ago i re-install ubuntu natty on my laptop but when i tried to install patheon-session i have a problem of dependencies broken i think its caused by a packaged named pantheon-wallpaper how can i fixed where i got this package?
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<magn3ts> Is Marlin still being developed? And in the same light, is the column browsing in Marlin being developed?
<traskers> Marlin is still being developed (though I'm not one of the developers, heh).
<magn3ts> thank god.
<magn3ts> not that you're not a dev :P but that it's still being worked on.
<magn3ts> I was having nightmares of still using nautilus 5 years from now.
<magn3ts> but the column browsing is seriously broken for whoever is developing it :P they're probably aware of that though.
<DanRabbit> magn3ts: what breakage are you experiencing?
<magn3ts> The context menu doesn't work on any column but the first.
<magn3ts> Mouse releases weren't registering.
<magn3ts> I can't shift/ctrl/+- select multiple files.
<DanRabbit> oh yea I can confirm
<magn3ts> at least in whatever version is in the ppa at the moment, I'm not building it right now
<DanRabbit> magn3ts: have you checked to make sure there were bug reports for those issues?
<traskers> Whenever I load slingshot (just by clicking Apps) I don't see any of my applications?
<magn3ts> tbh, no. I didn't know marlin was to a point they're taking bug repots
<DanRabbit> magn3ts: https://bugs.launchpad.net/marlin
<magn3ts> I hate filing bug reports :[
<magn3ts> But I shall...
<magn3ts> well one of them is already there.
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<andydam> Can someone help me with networking?
<andydam> I can't get my wifi card to show up in network connections.
<andydam> I installed the drivers, and I can scan for wifi networks with iwlist.
<andydam> I have a Linksys AE1000.
<davidboy> andydam: Does it work for you in ubuntu?
<andydam> No idea.
<davidboy> andydam: Ah, ok
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<ammonkey> hello magn3ts yes column view is not achived.
<ammonkey> achieved*
<magn3ts> ok, well I went ahead and filed a bug report against the context menu and someone else did for the multi select.
<magn3ts> I love the column browsing. About the only good thing from Finder and a huge step up over having multiple nautilus windows strewn about.
<curtism> hello
<curtism> what would be the best way for me try out the latest elementary stuff?
<davidboy> curtism: Someone is working on a new app to let people try out all the elementary apps easily
<curtism> well, until then?
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<ammonkey> curtism: hello, we have a devlopment ppa with unstable stuff here: https://launchpad.net/~elementaryart/+archive/elementary-dev
<curtism> thanks
<curtism> now, to remember how APT works
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<Akterbat> Hello all
<ammonkey> hello
<davidboy> curtism: sudo add-apt-ppa ppa:elementaryart/elementary-dev
<curtism> ammonkey: what's the best base for this? jupiter, or an ubuntu 11.04 install, or anything else?
<ammonkey> curtism: oneiric
<andydam> Can you help me out with my wifi problem?
<Akterbat> First of all I wanted to say thanks to the devs for starting and continuing to support this project. I really think this distro is destined to reshape the face of Linux on the desktop.
<curtism> ammonkey: oh my, link to latest ISO?
<andydam> I can't get it to show in Network Connections.
<Akterbat> Let me start by saying that I actually pre-ordered the Jupiter disc back in... January(?). Is there any word on when (or if) those will be shipping?
<ammonkey> curtism: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily/current/
<curtism> ammonkey: thanks
<ammonkey> Akterbat: hello, the official release is still "when it's ready". But it would probably be arround oneiric. We ll see, it's too soon for now to really give u a date.
<curtism> ammonkey: is there a meta-package that gets me the whole elementary "DE"?
<ammonkey> elementary-desktop or pantheon
<curtism> awesome
<Akterbat> So does that mean you'll be skipping Jupiter and just sending out Luna discs?
<andydam> :|
<ammonkey> Akterbat: that s the idea
<andydam> I can't get my wifi adapter to show up in the Network Connections.
<ammonkey> Akterbat: The people who ordered Jupiter cd already received a mail from us.
<Akterbat> Email or actual mail?
<andydam> I installed drivers, and iwlist works.
<andydam> :(
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<andydam> ammonkey: Can you help me out?
<ammonkey> Akterbat: email
<ammonkey> andydam: i am really not a wifi specialist sorry ;)
<seandavis> What's the recommended setup for elementary dev?
<traskers> Anyone else have a blank slingshot? Whenever I click Apps my slingshot pops up and my windows minimise and all, but the application icons don't show up?
<ammonkey> oneiric archlinux.. whatever run gtk3 and gnome3 libraries.
<Akterbat> Heh. Can't find the email, only a PayPal receipt. Oh well.
<seandavis> alrighty.  thanks
<ammonkey> traskers: distribution?
<curtism> yeah uh, NONE of the AUR packages for elementary projects work
<traskers> ammonkey, playing with Luna :P
<curtism> that's why i'm settings up a oneiric VM
<traskers> ammonkey, 0.0.1~pre-0~48~natty1 is the version of slingshot-launcher
<ammonkey> traskers: sudo ln -s /etc/xdg/menus/gnome-applications.menu /etc/xdg/menus/applications.menu
<traskers> File exists.
<ammonkey> strange then
<ammonkey> maybe u should wait a few second the first launch is not really instant :s (we need to fix that)
<Akterbat> So clarify the optimum setup for testing luna: bzr branch lp:elementaryos, use oneiric daily iso, ./build.sh?
<traskers> I have waited and it never shows up. It used to show up after a second or two :P
<traskers> ammonkey, looking further into it, I don't actually have /etc/xdg/menus/gnome-applications.menu o.O
<ammonkey> Akterbat: indeed, build your iso or ubuntu oneiric + our ppa is good too for testing until official realeases.
<Akterbat> Which PPA is it? You've got at least a handful.
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<ammonkey> traskers: u mean the link "/etc/xdg/menus/applications.menu" point to a missing file?
<traskers> ammonkey, yes, there is no gnome-applications.menu in /etc/xdg/menus :\
<ammonkey> Akterbat:  ppa:elementaryart/elementary-dev
<ammonkey> traskers: sudo apt-get install gnome-menus
<Akterbat> ammonkey, thanks
<traskers> ammonkey, is already the newest version.
<ammonkey> it should provide the good file then :D
<traskers> I do have an lxde-applications.menu that I simply copied to gnome-applications.menu and everything seems to work now?
<Akterbat> ammonkey, Slingshot doesn't work without compisiting, right?
<Akterbat> I've been having troubles with oneiric and compositing in virtualbox
<ammonkey> yes slingshot need a menu file gnome-applications.menu unity-place-applications.menu whatever, whatever menu u can build with alacarte.
<ammonkey> Akterbat: don't know, must be ugly without composition, if u don't have compositor u probably use other menu applications like cardapio.
<ammonkey> (wingpanel should launch cardapio if slinshot is not installed and cardapio is)
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<Akterbat|Away> thanks again for the help ammonkey
<andydam> :|
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<hcabaguio> I'm bored
<hcabaguio> you know what I'm gonna do?
<hcabaguio> I'm gonna start using the cloud more extensibly
<hcabaguio> so
<Kreative`> hcabaguio, noo, don't let it grab you
<Kreative`> the cloud is a lie, the cloud is a lie.
<cassidyjames> the cloud = the Internet
<cassidyjames> The cloud is just a buzzword for the Internet.
<cassidyjames> :)
<Kreative`> Well, "the cloud" is still intimidating
<Kreative`> :L
<hcabaguio> so
<hcabaguio> what "cloud" services do you guys use?
<Kreative`> hcabaguio, Ubuntu One at the most, and some Google apps.
<seandavis> I used to be exclusively Dropbox.  Now I've switched over to Ubuntu One
<seandavis> have any of you attempted to build granite?
<cassidyjames> hcabaguio: I use Internet-based services like Google Docs, Ubuntu One, Picasa...
<cassidyjames> hcabaguio: Google Music..
<cassidyjames> uh...
<cassidyjames> seandavis: Not super lately, but I have in the past.
<cassidyjames> hcabaguio: YouTube...
<seandavis> maybe you know a quick solution to this?
<cassidyjames> hcabaguio: Grooveshark
<Kreative`> cassidyjames, I have little files on the internet besides emails, I just feel "paranoid" about something happening and stuff dissapearing.
<Kreative`> I guess you can say I'm "self-reliable", just having my stuff on my own storage devices makes me feel more comfortable.
<cassidyjames> Kreative`: The beauty of syncing with the Internet-based services is that you can have it in both places. ;)
<cassidyjames> seandavis: shoot
<seandavis> ** (valac:15551): CRITICAL **: vala_data_type_get_value_owned: assertion 'self != NULL' failed
<Kreative`> Well of course, but having stuff on a small 500 GB hdd that I always have feels better imo ^^
<cassidyjames> seandavis: probably have to upgrade vala?
<cassidyjames> seandavis: are you using the unstable upstream ppa?
<seandavis> running oneiric and using the elementary-dev ppa, trying to build granite and maya
<cassidyjames> seandavis: I think you have to add the unstable upstream ppa.
<cassidyjames> seandavis: But I've not used it on Oneiric, so I'm not sure.
<cassidyjames> seandavis: I've only ever used Natty as a base.
<seandavis> unstable upstream for elementary or vala?
<cassidyjames> seandavis: elementary.
<seandavis> k
<cassidyjames> !google site:launchpad.net elementaryart unstable upstream | seandavis
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<Akterbat> So I downloaded the nightly ISO, bzr branched it, ran sudo ./build.sh and it says "/home/anybody/elementaryos/temp/remaster-iso/casper/filesystem.squashfs: No such file or directory"
<Akterbat> full log: http://pastebin.com/0BmTishx
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<Akterbat> the DanRabbit?
<Daniel_> Hey does anybody know how to fix the gdm black screen thingy
<Akterbat> guess not
<Akterbat> I retract my statement.
<Akterbat> :)
<DanRabbit> I'm on my phone :p
<Akterbat> Well then I don't know if /you/ can help me, but:
<Akterbat> So I downloaded the nightly ISO, bzr branched it, ran sudo ./build.sh and it says "/home/anybody/elementaryos/temp/remaster-iso/casper/filesystem.squashfs: No such file or directory"
<Akterbat> full log: http://pastebin.com/0BmTishx
<Akterbat> I also tried to just install oneiric then use the elementaryart/elementary-dev ppa but it's completely broken
<Akterbat> for me anyway.
<DanRabbit> No I have no idea how that works sorry
<seandavis> cassidyjames: Just a heads up.  Got it running.  Thanks!
<Akterbat> DanRabbit: so who does the actual technical stuff?
<Akterbat> btw I just wanted to say thanks for starting this project... it has the potential to really revolutionize the way people view Linux as a desktop OS.
<DanRabbit> Akterbat: As far as ebuild goes that's mainly shnatsel
<Akterbat> I see. Well thanks for you help anyway!
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<Akterbat> Yes! I see we now have drag toolbar to move windows!
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<eos-site-user0> hi, some brazilian here?
<Akterbat> wb
<Akterbat> I see toolbars now drag the window. (finally!)
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<Akterbat> DanRabbit: are you planning to implement a modal dialog effect like oneiric is?
<DanRabbit> Akterbat: IIRC, that's being implemented in Compiz so then yes we'll inherit it
<Akterbat> DanRabbit: I'm curious, why are you switching to your own Control Center when GNOME 3 already has a pretty decent one?
<DanRabbit> Akterbat: mainly because GNOME 3's control center is going to disallow third party panes in the future. So if it's not an official part of gnome, it can't go there
<Akterbat> DanRabbit: I see.
<DanRabbit> But also because we don't just leave things that are "good enough" if it can be done better we should do it better.
<Akterbat> A good philosophy.
<Akterbat> Is there a launchpad page for elementary-terminal?
<DanRabbit> Switchboard's design is something I think that distributors (especially OEM's) can really get into.
<DanRabbit> lp:pantheon-terminal
<Akterbat> Thanks
<Akterbat> Also, I was on elementaryos.org last night and I read about Contractor... wow.
<Akterbat> It's just a great, simple idea.
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<btkostner> DanRabbit: has there been any work on slingshot like your mockup?
<DanRabbit> btkostner: not that I'm aware of
<btkostner> :(
<Akterbat> DanRabbit: Are we still planning on implementing GoboHide and/or AppImages
<Akterbat> ?
<DanRabbit> Akterbat: There was some interest in playing with GoboHide but no work has been done. AFAIK none of the blocking issues with AppImages were ever solved either
<Akterbat> DanRabbit: Unfortunately both those things are way over my head otherwise I'd love to help out. :)
<Akterbat> I can't really code quite yet but I have a decent technical knowledge, perhaps I could help plan out how it could work?
<btkostner> good bye world
<Akterbat> btkostner: bye!
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<samtate> hey
<samtate> join #android
<samtate> oh dear :P I forgot the /
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<nicekiwi> Are the posts on the Journal page of the website ordered by anything like dates? any change they could appear somewhere? :)
<samtate> nicekiwi: Huh?
<samtate> Is the double posting happening for anyone else btw?
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<Kus> !logs
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<nicekiwi> samtate: theres no indication on the journal posts as to which ones are recent, some new ones sometimes appare to be below old ones..
<samtate> https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-3xzQq082Q9s/Th1sbbqEZPI/AAAAAAAAFYY/dAfhFMNxpOc/lightdm-unity-greeter.png Urgh
<samtate> nicekiwi: That is true, perhaps we could add a date somewhere. At the moment though, you can tell by how far down they are in the list :P
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<nicekiwi> #greeter ewwww!!
<samtate> The elementary one looks so much nicer
<nicekiwi> samtate: would be nice :P
<samtate> We just need to get it made
<nicekiwi> samtate: ha ha ha :D hello Lua <3
<samtate> :P
<samtate> There are so many elementary mockups floating around that need to be made :/
<samtate> hell, I'd make them if I knew how :P
<nicekiwi> same
<samtate> YES!
<samtate> InkScape works again"
<nicekiwi> :D
<Kus> sagarchalise, nice
<Kus> i mean samtate
<nicekiwi> although if HTML/CSS/JavaScript can be used anywhere im keen to play!! =D
<samtate> nicekiwi: haha same :P
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<kheeper> shnatsel: hey ho are you?
<kheeper> shnatsel: *how
<nicekiwi> *suddenly decides to learn Vala* :P
<Kus> nicekiwi, Vala is not hard - it's like C#
<Kus> for me the hardest part is all the GTK library use.
<nicekiwi> *looks sheepish* i odnt know C# :P only PHP and aforementioned web languages
<nicekiwi> dosent look VERY hard though
<kheeper> nicekiwi: PHP, JavaScript, Java, Perl, Python all that is use for web developmnet and after while you will see all programming languages work same way no matter if it's desktop programming language, library programming language, C#, C++ and others
<nicekiwi> yup
<Kus> kheeper, yeah but there are languages like Prolog.
<kheeper> I don't say ing I know all that stuff but I have a friend what know 11programming language and he sad this
<nicekiwi> so many languages, so little time :P
<kheeper> I tried one programming one thing in 6 programming languge and sad some of then was harder because it's wasn't the right choice but at the bottom it is almost same
<kheeper> nicekiwi: lern one good! then you lern other and you see the other will be easy
<Kus>  functional programming languages and logic programming languages are quite different
<kheeper> I start PHP as any other web developerm after 5years I start learn others
<kheeper> I'm going to work see you guys
<nicekiwi> bye :)
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<Kus> nicekiwi, Vala is similar to Javascript too.
<nicekiwi> :)
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<samtate> back
<samtate> hi
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<gotwig> vish: hey
<gotwig> ilmenite: hey
<ilmenite> gotwig, found a bug in postler
<ilmenite> doesnt compile
<ilmenite> version 0.1.1
<gotwig> ilmenite: report
<gotwig> ilmenite: log?
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<ilmenite> <ilmenite> build for postler failed
<ilmenite> <ilmenite> someone please make the code compile right
<ilmenite> <ilmenite> its postler 0.1.1
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<ilmenite> <ilmenite> this the build log
<ilmenite> <ilmenite> http://paste.pocoo.org/show/437065/
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<ilmenite> gotwig, ^^ saw the log?
<gotwig> ilmenite: wait
<gotwig> ilmenite: I am working on Luna right now
<gotwig> :P
<ilmenite> please fix this bug, cant get any version, also tried 0.1.0
<ilmenite> failed
<ilmenite> same issue
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<gotwig> elementary Software center, rofl
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<ilmenite> lol
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<gotwig> when we use the tweaks from me, you are not able to install software in the software center
<gotwig> I think
<gotwig> but its elementary style
<gotwig> hm, have to test more
<gotwig> you can uninstall apps
<gotwig> maybe its becouse some repos are deactivated at the live cd
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<samtate> http://samtate.deviantart.com/art/Ergo-elementary-ToDo-app-v1-221424243
<samtate> And its finally done
<gotwig> mockup, right :P?
<samtate> gotwig: Yeah :P
<gotwig> ask a dev, to do it ! :D
<gotwig> in vala, of course :)
<gotwig> hm, but I dont know
<gotwig> theres maya, right
<gotwig> in maya you can add tasks, or not?
<samtate> gotwig: Me and Kus are supposed to be doing it
<samtate> Infact, Kus got something pretty awesome already
<gotwig> whats with maya, than?
<Kus> not rly
<samtate> http://i.imgur.com/HraZi.png (based on the old design)
<Kus> gotwig, does maya have ToDo's?
<gotwig> Kus: no, but you can add dates, etc.
<gotwig> infos, to dates
<samtate> And 1_1 http://samtate.deviantart.com/art/Ergo-elementary-ToDo-app-v1-1-221427675
<gotwig> samtate: its a nice interface
<gotwig> samtate: all in one window
<samtate> gotwig: Thanks :D
<Kus> how about tags?
<samtate> Kus: People didnt seem to like tags much
<gotwig> samtate: how about syncing :D ?
<gotwig> samtate: I want tags :D
<samtate> gotwig: Its going through EDS to Ubuntu One eventually
<gotwig> samtate: when there are a million notes :P ?
<gotwig> Ubuntu one, :P
<gotwig> dont like it
<samtate> nah I know
<Kus> hmm, i would like to tag my todo's for work-school-hobby[1]-hobby[2] ....
<samtate> I dont like it either
<samtate> ok, ill do another mockup xD
<gotwig> the data is not decrypted
<samtate> INKSCAPE - YOU'RE NEEDED
<gotwig> I mean the data is not encrypted
<gotwig> all the data is somewhere
<samtate> first off I need a shower - its boiling here
<samtate> brb guys
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<gotwig> example: I got that file: http://ubuntuone.com/p/1487/
<samtate> We have to use it for now
<gotwig> you can change it to http://ubuntuone.com/p/1486/ , just one number , and you get to any other file
<samtate> We dont have the resources to make ecloud now
<samtate> lol ecloud
<gotwig> you can see files, from people, that dont want it
<gotwig> any files
<gotwig> just change the numbers
<gotwig> like a baby
<samtate> Wow this is awesome
<gotwig> http://ubuntuone.com/p/1486/, here is a song
<samtate> Stealing peoplez filez
<gotwig> I know, I am awesome xD
<gotwig> all is not decrypted
<gotwig> we have to index that
<gotwig> and call it
<gotwig> OneRush.com
<gotwig> :D
<gotwig> and than you can search trough all the files from people
<gotwig> on dropbox, etc. its not that easy!
<samtate> x
<samtate> xD8
<samtate> Dammit
<gotwig> its not secure
<gotwig> IMHO
<gotwig> downloading that song now, I like it :D
<samtate> Yep, but we need to use it for now :/
<gotwig> every day, another song, at the same url :D
<samtate> There are no alternatives
<gotwig> samtate: why? whats with dropbox
<samtate> :O piracy mr gotwig
<gotwig> or alternatives
<gotwig> there are a few
<gotwig> piracy?
<gotwig> why is that piracy?
<samtate> Downloading a song :p
<gotwig> -..- I found it!
<samtate> xD
<gotwig> like a baby
<gotwig> :D
<samtate> I found that song on Limewire, its not piracy honest!
<samtate> </sarcasm>
<gotwig> isnt limewire death?
<gotwig> :D
<samtate> yeah it is
<gotwig> funny
<gotwig> maybe this url is from a man, that uses ubuntu one with its mobile phone
<samtate> I believe we'd have trouble using any other service than U1
<gotwig> for streaming music
<gotwig> whats with google calendar
<gotwig> or sth like that
<gotwig> like maya
<samtate> maya is using eds too
<gotwig> eds?
<samtate> evolution data server
<gotwig> I tought it will support google calendar..?
<samtate> as in Maya will use evolution data server to back up to U1
<samtate> I assume you can backup to gCal too
<samtate> I just downloaded 3 whole tango albums from U1 xD
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<Kus> D:
<gotwig> hearing black eyed peas over ubuntu one
<gotwig> lol
<gotwig> samtate: how :D
<gotwig> samtate: changing URL?
<samtate> yep :P
<gotwig> funny, right?
<gotwig> I found yesterday a presentation, in german my motherlanguage, from someone, that will be hold today xD
<gotwig> the date was (13.07.2011, german format)
<samtate> 13th of July?
<samtate> British format too :P
<samtate> omg I hate the Ubuntu One control panel
<samtate> we need eCloud
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<ilmenite> gotwig, any word on the build log i uploaded?
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<samtate> Kus: gotwig: I made a few changes to the mockups
<samtate> Now they support tags
<samtate> http://samtate.deviantart.com/art/Ergo-elementary-ToDo-app-v1-1-221427675
<gotwig> samtate: wanna see
<samtate> http://samtate.deviantart.com/art/Ergo-elementary-ToDo-app-v1-221424243?q=gallery%3Asamtate&qo=1
<samtate> do you like the changes?
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<dardevelin> Hi everyone
<samtate> dardevelin: Hi :)
<gotwig> dardevelin: hey, do you have any issues?
<gotwig> samtate: I dont like them :D
<Local_Hero> samtate: lookin' good
<samtate> gotwig: Why not?
<gotwig> samtate: would be cool, if the search could be included, into the add bar
<gotwig> so both is together
<gotwig> becouse I liked the one before more
<samtate> yeah but it didnt have tags ;)
<gotwig> with just writing into the bar
<Kus> samtate, then i would like to sort by tags.
<gotwig> I like the one before more
<gotwig> :P
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<gotwig> now there is unused space
<samtate> hmm, I may expand the searchbar then
<Kus> yeah
<samtate> It would be rather weird having a search/add bar
<gotwig> no
<gotwig> lol
<gotwig> :P
<Kus> shnatsel, is there a granite build i can just install?
<Kus> shnatsel, not compile?
<gotwig> ok I go now testing Luna
<gotwig> see ya
<gotwig> live usb
<shnatsel> Kus: yes there is
<shnatsel> Kus: ppa:elementaryart/unstable-upstream
<Kus> W: Failed to fetch http://ppa.launchpad.net/elementaryart/ppa/ubuntu/dists/natty/main/source/Sources  404  Not Found
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<AFD> hi guys
<AFD> any reason I'd be able to install apps from the software center but not via apt-get in eOS on a LiveUSB?
<shnatsel> Kus: yyeah, elementaryart/ppa is abandoned
<shnatsel> AFD: hmm, probably no, I'm not aware of any]
<shnatsel> AFD: try aptdaemon CLI bindings
<shnatsel> AFD: aptdcon
<shnatsel> AFD: it's CLI interface to the backend of Software Center
<AFD> it's coming up with some options
<AFD> but I can't install aptitude using it
<samtate> !logs
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<AFD> shnatsel managed to install aptitude using aptdcon thanks ;)
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<shnatsel> AFD: that probably means that it's a bug in apt-get
<samtate> lunaaaa
<samtate> Lol it doesnt work for me
<samtate> brb
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<novabyte> samtate: hey
<samtate> novabyte: Hi :)
<samtate> novabyte: Hows it going?
<novabyte> samtate: how's ergo going? changed the world of To do apps yet ;)
<novabyte> samtate: I'm good, mixing thesis work and elementary-dev at the momeny
<novabyte> *moment
<novabyte> samtate: elementary-dev seems to be winning much more often than it should...
<samtate> nah, Kus has done some great work on it and got something running http://i.imgur.com/sd18H.png, but it wont compile for me
<samtate> Also I made some more mockups, see deviantart
<novabyte> samtate: I'll check it out
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<novabyte> samtate: I like this mockup a lot http://samtate.deviantart.com/gallery/#/d3ntw1f
<samtate> novabyte: I think I'm extending the search bar to the whole width though
<dardevelin> samtate: what about storing the with in a variable and then make in the settings panel an option so user can set the with they want ?
<samtate> dardevelin: Hmm seems a good idea
<dardevelin> :D
<novabyte> samtate: you might as well use the whole width of the toolbar
<novabyte> seems like a good idea
<samtate> Need to make a switchboard plug too eventually :P
<samtate> and an icon :/
<dardevelin> I'm learning C and i would like to be able to make GUI's any tips where should i start researching ?
<novabyte> dardevelin: for elementary dev, or generally ?
<dardevelin> generally
<dardevelin> i think i need to know the basics 1st so i can then help on elementary dev
<novabyte> dardevelin: on windows or linux ?
<dardevelin> linux ( screw proprietary OS's
<dardevelin> )
<dardevelin> lmao
<novabyte> dardevelin: lol, ok then don't learn C, go and learn Vala :)
<dardevelin> well vala is C with classes
<novabyte> dardevelin: GTK toolkit + a high level language
<dardevelin> ok, got it i need to learn GTK toolkit
<samtate> I get this when running ergo :/ http://paste.ubuntu.com/643316/
<novabyte> dardevelin: have you tried writing GTK code in C... long and tedious
<dardevelin> lmao
<dardevelin> not didn't tried anything with gtk yet
<dardevelin> i ust to be a windows user and at that time wen i started was around visual basic
<dardevelin> and so visual studio always took care of the GUI
<samtate> yeah same :P
<dardevelin> i have some knowledge on php and so web is easy
<dardevelin> css and html
<dardevelin> who can't handle that ?
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<dardevelin> but when i started with C
<dardevelin> i'm still on terminal fase
<samtate> novabyte: Any ideas on the error?
<dardevelin> so i was wondering what should i learn
<dardevelin> hi satrionics
<novabyte> dardevelin: what DE do you use at the moment ? KDE, Gnome, Elementary ...etc ?
<dardevelin> novabyte: gnome, Elementary i have it on my external HD
<novabyte> dardevelin: then def go with GTK3 to learn for the UI toolkit
<novabyte> samtate: I'll have a look at it now
<samtate> novabyte: Thanks :D
<dardevelin> novabyte: Ok will do that. Is it too different from GTK2 ? just to know in terms ( might need to make backwards compatibility )
<dardevelin> novabyte: if you guys were bases on debian would be great ( but ubuntu ) :/
<dardevelin> *based
<novabyte> dardevelin: don't worry too much about backwards compatibility... everything that's GTK is moving to GTK3 and most distros are keeping the GTK2 library available on the system anyway.
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<novabyte> dardevelin: you get a more modern (arguably) API with GTK3
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<novabyte> samtate: can you send me the source for ergo so I can try and build it ?
<Kus> lpL:ergo
<Kus> lpL\:ergo
<Kus> lp:ergo
<novabyte> samtate: if its not ready for general distribution yet then can you run: ldd on the ergo exe
<novabyte> Kus: thx.
<Kus> novabyte, :D missclick
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<Gusions> kus
<Gusions> Kus ping
<Kus> Gusions, pong
<Gusions> hey, i'm trying to try ergo
<Gusions> but i have 3 errors
<AFD> is ergo likely to ship with Luna?
<Kus> AFD, i think - no
<Kus> Gusions, pastebin the erro
<Gusions> sure
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<AFD> kus is development on it going well? the launchpad looks empty
<Gusions> http://pastebin.com/itXAakVK
<Kus> AFD, it's 2 days old
<AFD> haha
<AFD> kus so it's nearly done, right?! ;)
<novabyte> samtate: I can't seem to build the latest version of granite... let alone build ergo with the granite library...
<samtate> novabyte: its in ppa now
<Kus> AFD, have you the latest granite?
<AFD> kus sorry - I'm a bit of n00b round here... what's granite?
<AFD> kus a framework?
<novabyte> samtate: I'm an archlinux user ;)
<AFD> this? https://code.launchpad.net/~elementaryart/granite/granite
<samtate> novabyte: Oh :P
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<samtate> novabyte: Where did you get it from?
<novabyte> lp:granite
<samtate> novabyte: Huh. What's the error
<novabyte> samtate: http://mysticpaste.com/private/k8zmcJJNIV
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<Kus> novabyte, the same error i had
<AFD> Kus so granite is for building apps designed to run in eOS?
<Kus> update you valac
<samtate> novabyte: No idea :P. You got the latest vala?
<Kus> granite is a framework
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<Gusions> Kus you know my errors?
<Kus> Gusions, have you the latest granite?
<novabyte> Kus: damn I didn't want to move to the 0.13.+ release yet
<Kus> Gusions, cause it says something about AppMenu and that is a granite error.
<AFD> I might play with it - I fancy trying my hand at some developing... can I install an instance of Postler or Dexter etc in Granite while keeping a stable (seperate) system and then try writing stuff for those apps that I want to see happen?
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<Kus> AFD, granite has new witdgets and services you can use to build your app
<AFD> Kus but can I alter apps such as Dexter in it... say I want to write in an ability to sync with Google contacts for instance.
<Gusions> mmm not
<Gusions> i will compile the last?
<Kus> AFD, dont understand
<AFD> if I want to develop code for Dexter
<AFD> and I run eOS as my primary OS
<AFD> how do I keep a stable version of Dexter
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<AFD> while developing for a seperate instance where it's ok for things to go wrong...
<AFD> in Granite?
<Kus> no
<novabyte> AFD: use a chroot
<Kus> Granite is more like a library
<Kus> what novabyt... said
<AFD> ok... I'll look in to it - thanks :D
<Kus> you can make one with glimpse
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<AFD> Kus just heard about glimpse the other day, sounds awesome
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<AFD> the devs in eOS keep blowing my tiny mind
<novabyte> AFD: if shnatsel is around he might be able to give you some advice
<AFD> novabyte that's who keeps blowing my..... mind ;)
<novabyte> AFD: lol, im just an enthusiast I'm not even a dev yet
<shnatsel> wassup?
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<AFD> hi shnatsel
<shnatsel> hi AFD
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<shnatsel|busy> AFD: ok I'm still here for you
<shnatsel|busy> will get busy in 5 min actually, now I just lag
<ampharos> I'd buy AMD CPUs if the motherboards had Intel graphics chipsets
<AFD> shnatsel oh - I don't know who I spoke to but someone asked about translation and I offered to double check some English grammar
<AFD> if you still want me to just send / publish it and I'll get on it
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<shnatsel|busy> AFD: I'll need your skills later :) I don't remember who asked to check the grammar either
<shnatsel|busy> oh my!
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<g0twig> hey back
<g0twig> shnatsel|busy: hey
<g0twig> gnome-settings-daemon gives me segfault lol
<AFD> I can't translate (not bi-lingual) but I can over see stuff - 1st language is English
<samtate> I can do some of the German :P
<samtate> But we have many native germans anyway xD
<AFD> I was born in Germany! :D but Ich kan nich spechken Deutsch
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<Gusions> ok i'm here
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<g0twig> AFD: schämen Sie sich
<g0twig> :D
<g0twig> gnome-settings-deamon seems not to work under oneiric
<samtate> *Ich kann nicht Deutsch sprechen ;)
<g0twig> oh man
<samtate> g0twig: ?
<AFD> samtate das ist richte
<shnatsel|busy> g0twig: yes it segfaults
<AFD> I also get wat little German I know confused with my limited Danish.... it doesn't help
<shnatsel|busy> g0twig: that's the bug
<g0twig> so it does not work
<shnatsel|busy> g0twig: it's upstream but
<shnatsel|busy> g0twig: it's upstream bug
<g0twig> we can fix it, if we now switch to dconf
<samtate> Ich habe seit 3 Jahre Deutsch gelernt
<shnatsel|busy> g0twig: we have switched to dconf
<g0twig> samtate: :P
<g0twig> shnatsel|busy: hm, so why does it not work?
<shnatsel|busy> g0twig: read more about what gnome-settings-daemon does
<g0twig> not Out of the box
<g0twig> so we can do thing
<g0twig> ?
<g0twig> "nothin" :P
<novabyte> samtate: can you run `ldd ergo` and send me the output
<shnatsel|busy> g0twig: wait till it's fixed upstream
<samtate> novabyte: Sure
<samtate> Damn docky crashed :P
<ampharos> I'm curious is elementary got rid of the xserver-xorg-video-videoloca graphics card driver needs for this graphics card I was planning to buy
<ampharos> http://i.imgur.com/YOEe9.jpg
<shnatsel|busy> ampharos: you can check it
<samtate> novabyte: http://paste.ubuntu.com/643342/
<shnatsel|busy> ampharos: you can always boot in text mode and install it
<ampharos> you don't get it
<ampharos> the joke
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<g0twig> xD
<g0twig> I get it
<ampharos> it's got an ATI Rage 128, Nvidia Riva TNT2, S3 Savage, 3dfx Voodoo 3, and Matrox G400 set up for SLI on a single VLB slot
<g0twig> nice card
<shnatsel|busy> ampharos: I remember some of those cards
<shnatsel|busy> ampharos: though I've never used them
<g0twig> midori is so fast
<g0twig> :D
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<g0twig> I am to young for these things
<g0twig> In my generation, DDR 1 was modern :D
<shnatsel|busy> g0twig: have you ever played Unreal?
<g0twig> shnatsel|busy: boy, I have the collection !
<g0twig> :D
<ampharos> in mine sdram was in it's twilight years
<shnatsel|busy> g0twig: unreal was written for Voodoo 2
<shnatsel|busy> the first one
<g0twig> duno much about voodo
<ampharos> I have an old ATI Rage Pro in one of my PCs
<g0twig> shnatsel|busy: so we cant do anything about that elementary theme not loading bug?
<novabyte> samtate: do you have appmenu-gtk installed ?
<ampharos> surpsringly fast for old games despite the small VRAM handicap of 8 MB
<g0twig> becouse I am now at live usb
<g0twig> so I can restart my machine
<g0twig> so I can get nice nvidia graphics
<g0twig> :)
<shnatsel|busy> g0twig: read the wikipedia article about 3dfx, it's a good thing to know
<shnatsel|busy> g0twig: I don't like workarounds for upstream bugs
<samtate> novabyte: Yes
<g0twig> shnatsel|busy: +1
<shnatsel|busy> g0twig: and I won't merge them in the main branch
<g0twig> I like the sound theme from gnome3, even if its so macish!
<g0twig> lol
<shnatsel|busy> g0twig: they'll fix it sooner or later
<g0twig> when I press + or - for higher, less sound, it sounds so macish
<g0twig> I mean like in mac
<g0twig> But I like that
<samtate> g0twig: can we download it for ubuntu?
<g0twig> samtate: the sound theme?
<samtate> yeah
<g0twig> samtate: why not :) I think so
<g0twig> I have it here
<g0twig> I can upload it, like I said, I am at live usb
<samtate> ok
<g0twig> But I think + and - sounds do not work
<samtate> brb
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<novabyte> samtate: soz I meant appmenu-gtk3 ?
<g0twig> when you make a screenshot with gnome 3 you hear a photocamera xD
<g0twig> lolz
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<AFD> I've got to go guys. Good chatting as always - Auf Weidersein! :D
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<g0twig> Wiedersehen
<g0twig> jaja
<g0twig> lolz
<g0twig> so, who wants the sound theme?
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<g0twig> no one
<g0twig> :D
<g0twig> kay
<g0twig> than I reboot
<g0twig> IMHO gnome 3 is the future
<g0twig> its so nice
<g0twig> even if network-manager applet is written in python, lol
<samtate> back
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<samtate> g0twig: I doo
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<samtate> novabyte: How do you install that?
<g0twig> samtate: kay, so where should I upload it
<g0twig> samtate: or just send me your email over PM in IRC
<ampharos> http://windowstabletpc.blogspot.com/2011/07/gigabyte-s1080-windows-7-tablet.html
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<ampharos> if a few more things and tweaks
<ampharos> this would be bitching with a linux distro
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<novabyte> samtate: not a ubuntu user ;) ... in Oneiric http://packages.ubuntu.com/oneiric/appmenu-gtk3
<samtate> novabyte: I'm on natty
<samtate> Googling it now
<novabyte> samtate: that may not be the problem... I can only tell a little I can't try it out.
<Kus> !logs
<samtate> novabyte: Yeah well I dont think that is a problem, since Kus got Ergo to work on Natty
<Kus> samtate, a natty chroot
<samtate> Kus: Is oneric your main OS?
<Kus> samtate, no it's Maveric
<samtate> ah ok
<LocalHero> does anyone in here use elementary (jupiter) as their main os, or do you just use parts of it?
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<samtate> LocalHero: I think most people are on Natty with Pantheon
<LocalHero> samtate: that's what I need to do, then.  I love Jupiter, but I really want to try Pantheon
<Kus> LocalHero, i broke mine and had no time to reinstall jupiter
<g0twig> samtate: I am so far: http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/13/lolzdf.png/
<LocalHero> Kus, do you prefer Jupiter over Natty?
<samtate> Luna?
<g0twig> thats elementary Luna
<Kus> LocalHero, never had Natty
<g0twig> prealpha
<g0twig> what ever
<g0twig> no Droid-Sans fonts I think
<samtate> g0twig: Doesnt work for me :P
<g0twig> becouse of this gnome-service shit
<LocalHero> Kus, oh, sorry... misunderstood
<g0twig> samtate: what does not work for you?
<samtate> g0twig: Luna
<g0twig> when you tried?
<g0twig> every day something changes
<g0twig> becouse of that I liked the daily builds
<g0twig> brb, rebooting
<samtate> g0twig: A few weeks ago
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<Al_1> hi guys, I'm trying plank, is there a way to move it to the left of the screen?
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<samtate> Al_1: I'm not aware of one
<samtate> Al_1: Its probably a better idea to use docky due to the development status of Plank
<Al_1> I know, I'm trying it in a VM
<Al_1> the tiny memory footprint is a huge advantage, though
<samtate> Al_1: Yeah, but even to move an icon you have to edit config files
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<Al_1> yeah, I don't really like the lack of a "settings" gui
<samtate> Al_1: It will have one eventually
<Al_1> I read somewhere that the devs aren't planning on creating one
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<Al_1> anyway, I'm used to editing config files, so it's not a deal breaker... the deal breaker is being able to move it :)
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<samtate> Al_1: It wont have a seperate settings manager I dont think, but you will be able to edit it through switchboard
<samtate> And I assume in the future you will be able to move it
<Kus> samtate, just installed ergo into Glimpse
<Al_1> ok, so atm I cannot move it in any way... well I guess I will wait :) thanks anyway, samtate
<samtate> Kus: ooh
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<Kus> and it works for me
<samtate> Al_1: no problem
<samtate> Kus: OK i guess my system is messed up
<samtate> Even though its barely 2 days old :P
<samtate> installing glimpse now
<Kus> samtate, maybe mine is just super awesome :D
<samtate> How does glimpse work?
<samtate> Is it downloading the WHOLE iso now?
<Kus> samtate, yeah if u didn't have a daily build then yes
<samtate> ok ill let it finish
<Kus> later it will just update with the new parts.
<Kus> it's kinda a chroot
<samtate> ok
<samtate> 25 mins to go
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<samtate> i cant decide if I like autohide or not on docky
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<Kus> samtate, how about intelhide?
<dardevelin> well people should know that the dock exists so for that matter, intelhide sounds better
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<dardevelin> however majority ends up changing to auto hide, since its really just cluttering the view and went they need it its there anyways
<dardevelin> by default intelhide sounds better but if its personal use, autohide definitely does the job much better
<davidboy> Personally, I always prefer intelihide
<samtate> I put it on autohide, since I dont like the massive space it leaves at the bottom on no hide
<dardevelin> davidboy: if you think about, its not hidden when your not using in full screen apps. so you end up being with it hidden 90% of time. for that matter rather see a good wallpaper ( but hey that's me of-course )
<davidboy> dardevelin: Good point
<samtate> Sometimes I plug a secondary monitor in just to have a nice wallpaper to stare at while I am waiting for something :P
<davidboy> hehe
<ampharos> * ampharos is away: Mkaysi is an arrogant douche who hates AFKers
<ampharos> this is my quit message
<samtate> since I use a laptop as my main computer, I can only have one external monitor
<ampharos> the bugger constantly messages me to turn it off ;)
<ampharos> before it was just "busy"
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<samtate> (Well I could have a VGA and a HDMI, but im not spending money on a HDMI monitor :P)
<ampharos> samtate try this http://i.imgur.com/YOEe9.jpg
<samtate> ampharos: Lol
<ampharos> BitchinFast! 3D
<samtate> :P
<samtate> but i bought this monitor about a year ago for £89. Not bad for a HD 20", but it only has VGA
<samtate> Then they updated this exact model to have DVI-D for only £95, but im too poor for another xD
<samtate> brb
<Akterbat> samtate: why not just get a VGA to HDMI or DVI adapter?
<Akterbat> They're super cheap from Monoprice, but I'm not sure if they ship to UK
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<samtate> hi
<samtate> Just done some ikeahacking :P
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<samtate> DanRabbit: You didnt like the old mockups for Ergo. What about the new ones? http://goo.gl/ofofd and http://goo.gl/z2k1U
<samtate> !logs
<dardevelin> does any of you guys know any good ( free software mind map ) ?
<dardevelin> if not free software at least open source
<dardevelin> for gnu+linux
<DanRabbit> samtate: that's interesting: http://samtate.deviantart.com/#/d3knnaq
<Akterbat> FreeMind is pretty good
<samtate> DanRabbit: Not many people liked the sidebar idea
<shnatsel|busy> IMHO it looks far too complicated with the sidebar
<DanRabbit> I could see trading that sidebar for a folderbar like http://samtate.deviantart.com/art/Ergo-elementary-ToDo-app-v1-221424243?q=gallery%3Asamtate&qo=1
<DanRabbit> but I dunno I still feel like it isn't to the point where it's like "damn hell yes"
<shnatsel|busy> I still prefer the first one with a large entry bar on top and horisontal list without folderbar
<samtate> now everyone prefers a different version :P
<dardevelin> Akterbat: thanks for the tip, i'll try that one :D
<Akterbat> Shnatsel, I tried using your eBuild on the latest oneiric nightly and it failed completely.
<Akterbat> full log: http://pastebin.com/0BmTishx
<samtate> BTW, does Glimpse normally take over 5 -10 mins Transforming Ubuntu into elementaryOS
<Kus> samtate, yeah it was a bit long
<samtate> Kus: ah goos
<samtate> good*
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<Kus> anyone had success in building egro?
<chawsum> DanRabbit, what happened to the progressbar todo app idea? I really like that idea
<DanRabbit> um I dunno, it just never happened
<samtate> chawsum: What do you mean?
<chawsum> there was talk about mocking up a very project-centered task manager, where you'd create a project with a set of tasks, and you could see the percentage done of the project etc.
<samtate> ah cool
<hcabaguio> when was that discussed? :( sounds awesome
<chawsum> heh, I had an idea about making a todo app where tasks would be closed using a paint-like tool where you'd manually strike tasks
<chawsum> just to retain the awesome feeling of striking a line on a todo paper :D
<chawsum> s/retain/simulate
<hcabaguio> lol
<chawsum> I'd love to have that
<chawsum> :D
<shnatsel|busy> sounds overly complicated to me
<shnatsel|busy> not gonna work
<shnatsel|busy> I tried that on paper
<shnatsel|busy> I never set the right percentage anyways
<shnatsel|busy> I can have a list of things to do in the project
<shnatsel|busy> which usually grows quickly
<chawsum> shnatsel|busy, it should obviously calculate the percentage of tasks done automatically
<shnatsel|busy> and mark them as done
<shnatsel|busy> chawsum: tasks are not equal in complexity
<shnatsel|busy> when I do 1 point from the list I can get 50% of work done
<chawsum> shnatsel|busy, you could make it possible to set "big" or "small" tasks or something
<shnatsel|busy> chawsum: over-complicated
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<shnatsel|busy> chawsum: I tried that too
<shnatsel|busy> chawsum: I end up being to lazy to set that all
<shnatsel|busy> chawsum: It's easier to keep the progressbar in my head
<chawsum> shnatsel|busy, that's kinda the point though. seeing how far you can go with something as awfully boring as a todo app
<shnatsel|busy> chawsum: I liked the first version a lot. It was so KISS.
<shnatsel|busy> and looked awesome.
<chawsum> shnatsel|busy, you know, I'm the .txt file guy so I'd find such an app mostly useless anyway ;P
<samtate> has anyone apart from Kus managed to compile Ergo yet? :P
<shnatsel|busy> chawsum: I'm on Linux, so I don't need such ugly thing as file extensions :P
<chawsum> shnatsel|busy, I think you got my point
<shnatsel|busy> chawsum: yep :)
<chawsum> shnatsel|busy, http://todotxt.com/ is kinda cool stuff :>
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<samtate> Glimpse is still "Transforming Ubuntu into elementary OS"
<shnatsel|busy> samtate: yeah it's a long process
<shnatsel|busy> brb
<samtate> OK
<Akterbat> Glimpse?
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<Akterbat> shnatsel, you're in charge of the eBuild, right?
<shnatsel> Akterbat: right
<Akterbat> shnatsel: I tried rev. 227 of your eBuild on the nightly oneiric ISO and it falied completely.
<Akterbat> *failed
<Akterbat> full log: http://pastebin.com/0BmTishx
<Akterbat> I tried removing and re-branching it but same error.
<shnatsel> Akterbat: what's the host system?
<dardevelin> btw do you guys have any recent iso ?
<Akterbat> Ubuntu 11.04
<shnatsel> dardevelin: recent ISOs are useless due to severe compiz bugs
<dardevelin> shnatsel: hum ok
<shnatsel> Akterbat: hmm, it used to work... looks like a bug in UCK, actually
<shnatsel> Akterbat: I think you should report a bug about UCK if it returns the same error
<Akterbat> shnatsel: It worked with rev. 226 and Oneiric Alpha 2. Just the resultant ISO was broken
<Akterbat> shnatsel: So I tried the nightly as suggested.
<shnatsel> Akterbat: weird, it worked for me
<shnatsel> Akterbat: please try UCK and if it fails with the same error, file a bug about it.
<Akterbat> I'll rebranch and try again right now...
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<shnatsel> Akterbat: the bug probably has nothing to do with eBuild itself
<shnatsel> Akterbat: eBuild relies on UCK to unpack the SquashFS image
<shnatsel> Akterbat: and if it fails, it's a bug in UCK
<shnatsel> or in Ubuntu
<shnatsel> dailies are such a dailies...
<Akterbat> shnatsel: that's what I thought it might be
<Akterbat> perhaps they just changed something in the nightly by accident
<Akterbat> because it worked with Alpha 2...
<Akterbat> How would I go about submitting a patch to pantheon-terminal?
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<Akterbat> schnatsel?
<Akterbat> *shnatsel?
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<shnatsel> im back
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<samtate> omg i need 330Mb of updates to install gtk+-3.0
<shnatsel> Akterbat: are you familiar with bazaar?
<shnatsel> Akterbat: we have a writeup on that, it's not finished but you can help improving it by asking all questions that arise: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1jyVcGH7w0sADE8wYecP_NvD_is1KZN--9If3DYZHuaI/edit?hl=ru
<shnatsel> Akterbat: we have a writeup on that, it's not finished but you can help improving it by asking all questions that arise: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1jyVcGH7w0sADE8wYecP_NvD_is1KZN--9If3DYZHuaI/edit
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<Akterbat> shnatsel: I'm not familiar with Bazaar, however I'm willing to learn. Honestly I thought pantheon-terminal would be a good starting point to start learning about this kind of stuff.
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<ampharos> PPC?
<shnatsel> Akterbat: hmm, I guess it should be
<Akterbat> shnatsel: I've been following the elementary project since it was a icon/gtk theme, I've even pre-ordered the Jupiter disc. It's a project I would really like to see go far, and I would really like to help it in any way I can.
<Akterbat> ampharos: what about it?
<shnatsel> Akterbat: Maya is kind of a reference elementary app atm I think
<shnatsel> Akterbat: join #elementary-dev and ask in there
<ampharos> programming and UX wise?
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<samtate> Ergo runs now :D
<samtate> Kus is amazing
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<eos-site-user3> Okay, guys I need a bit of help here. I've added the PPAs for elementary-dev and when I tried installing them in Ubuntu 11.04 Natty Narwhal an error appeared: "Package dependencies cannot be resolved"
<eos-site-user3> I was trying to install patheon-xsession-settings to display "Pantheon" at the login
<samtate> eos-site-user3: Hmm, I dont know about that, someone else will be able to help you in a minute :)
<eos-site-user3> samtate: Alright, make it quick, though.
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<eos-site-user3> FYI guys, the error is: "The following packages have unmet dependencies:  pantheon-xsession-settings: Depends: pantheon-wallpaper but it is not going to be installed."
<samtate> eos-site-user3: Ahh, I may be able to help you
<samtate> One second
<eos-site-user3> sure
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<samtate> I believe if you add this PPA: ppa:elementaryart/unstable-upstream
<samtate> It shouldnt mess anything up, but should fix your problem
<samtate> eos-site-user3: ^^
<eos-site-user3> samtate: Okay, I'll try. Thanks.
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<codygarver> !logs
<LocalHero> !logs
<LocalHero> !help
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<gotwig> hey
<gotwig> shnatsel: hey
<gotwig> who wanted the gnome 3 sounds?
<shnatsel> gotwig: why do you ping me like this all the time?
<gotwig> shnatsel: sry
<shnatsel> ? o_O
<gotwig> only want to say hey
<gotwig> I want your attention :D
* shnatsel grabs a dictionary
* gotwig informs shnatsel that a the CCPP version of Lingo died out, years ago
<samtate> hi gotwig, I was looking for the gnome 3 sounds :)
<gotwig> cross that a :P
<gotwig> samtate: kay, I was away, sry
<samtate> no problem
<samtate> i finally got ergo to run :D
<gotwig> samtate: making driver license :P
<gotwig> samtate: link :D ?
<samtate> lp:ergo
<gotwig> so easy :P
<gotwig> have to add ergo to the german wikipedia page of elementary!
<gotwig> :D
<gotwig> couse the english one died, right?
<gotwig> what a shame
<samtate> gotwig: Its nowhere near done yet :P
<gotwig> so what works?
<samtate> Kus has done such a great job, but its not *quite* there yet ;)
<curtism> anyone capable of giving me something to start off of for a panel in vala?
<samtate> gotwig: The UI
<samtate> And not even that xD
<samtate> its 2 days old
<gotwig> I have a "playcorner" for such apps :D
<gotwig> called "Spielecke" in german. on the german wikipedia its called "spielwiese" :D
<gotwig> ergo sounds so hard
<gotwig> :P
<samtate> if you said Spielecke aloud it would sound a bit like "Playyummy" :P
<samtate> or gameyummy to be precise
<gotwig> :D
<samtate> gotwig: I also made a temp icon because I wanted something for my dock :P
<gotwig> temp icon?
<samtate> temporary
<gotwig> oh
<gotwig> jeah
<gotwig> :D
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<gotwig> you are a native english speaker, right?
<samtate> http://ge.tt/81pjMw5?c, dont judge it - i made it in literally 10sec :P
<samtate> gotwig: yeah
<gotwig> samtate: so why you dont bring elementary on wikipedia back to life :P ?
<gotwig> ^^
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<gotwig> samtate: where is the shared file?
<gotwig> I dont see anything :P
<samtate> im not even sure the "e" is aligned in the middle xD
<samtate> try now :P
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<gotwig> hhh, I have to download it
<gotwig> :P
<samtate> lol
<samtate> brb dinner
<gotwig> an e
<gotwig> rofl
<samtate> xD
<gotwig> noobs would ask "Is that for elementary?" an other hard core elementary guy would say "Indeed! You n00b!"
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<gotwig> Kus: hey
<ampharos> grumble grumble
<Kus> gotwig, sup?
<ampharos> trying to get wifi work on my cousin's laptop
<ampharos> it worked here
<ampharos> but since they brought it home, they couldn't connect
<ampharos> now it won't here
<gotwig> samtate: was that funny :D ?
<ampharos> it freees on the lock screen
<gotwig> samtate: I am not so good in such things, in the english language
<Kus> ampharos, i have a wifi problem too
<ampharos> refuses to connect using WEP 128key (only passphrase which won't work)
<ampharos> fucking atheros
<Kus> ampharos, 10.10 and older ubuntu's can't connect to the router, but jupiter can.
<ampharos> i'm using mint 11
<ampharos> on his
<gotwig> Kus: http://ge.tt/81pjMw5?c - tell me what that is
<ampharos> it tries to connect
<ampharos> it sees my network
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<ampharos> but it refuses to let me in
<gotwig> Kus: our new logo maybe ;) ?
<Kus> gotwig, it's an "e" logo :D
<Kus> gotwig, isn't it too much elementary style? and too less todo style?
<novabyte> curtism: what do you mean with "something to start of for a panel in Vala" ?
<gotwig> Kus: damn, you know it :D noobs would ask "Is that for elementary?" an other hard core elementary guy would say "Indeed! You n00b!"
<curtism> novabyte: i want to write a panel, need somewhere to start from
<curtism> currently trying to rip out the bare basics of wingpanel
<novabyte> curtism: oh i see you want to toy with writing your own panel. maybe have a look at xfce4-panel as well as wingpanel.
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<gotwig> samtate: sent
<gotwig> no topic, no content, lol
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<gotwig> samtate: you have to put these audio files into the /usr/share/sounds/ubuntu directory I think
<gotwig> pls make a backup of it first
<gotwig> or what ever
<gotwig> I am away
<gotwig> see ya
<Kus> !logs
<gotwig> samtate: could you send me a screenshot from ergo, running ?
<gotwig> samtate: or a video ;D
<gotwig> samtate: or a compiled version :D
<gotwig> samtate: 64 bit
<Kus> it's somewhere in the logs gotwig
<curtism> novabyte: yeah, i'm trying to pull relevant bits out of other panels, but it's hard to tell what parts i want :\
<gotwig> !log
<gotwig> oh, slay me
<gotwig> !logs
<Kus> gotwig, http://i.imgur.com/sd18H.png
<gotwig> rofl
<gotwig> Kus: is your eGTK outdated ?^^
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<gotwig> Hello, Simmeson, do you have an issue?
<samtate> (that logo was made in 10 seconds :P)
<samtate> Obviously I'm gonna make a much better one later
<samtate> Or Dan is
<Kus> gotwig, how do i check?
<gotwig> Kus: do you have the elementaryart/desktop ppa?
<gotwig> or what ever
<gotwig> ?
<Kus> gotwig, dunno
<gotwig> Kus: Its not important :)
<samtate> gotwig: No point in sending you a compiled version - it doesnt do anything yet anyway
<gotwig> samtate: But I have to add it to the german wikipedia page :P
<gotwig> and than I have to edit, what maya will do
<gotwig> I wrote that it will support google calendar in future
<samtate> :P no you dont - wait until its more stable lol
<gotwig> what guys said me
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<Kus> samtate, or when i does something
<gotwig> samtate: whats that? https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-3xzQq082Q9s/Th1sbbqEZPI/AAAAAAAAFYY/dAfhFMNxpOc/lightdm-unity-greeter.png
<Kus> lets all write patches for the elementary terminal
<gotwig> Kus: you mean pantheon terminal :D
<Kus> gotwig, i do
<samtate> :P
<samtate> gotwig: New ubuntu login screen
<gotwig> Kus: hm, to get rid of gnome terminal, what is k times better ?
<samtate> Looks horrible
<gotwig> samtate: but only mockup, right?
<Kus> gotwig, k times better till now.
<gotwig> samtate: technical is looks a bit good
<gotwig> Kus: transparency would be cool
<gotwig> Kus: why not simply change gnome-terminal, to look cool, add a toolbar etc. like nautilus elementary
<Kus> gotwig, don't ask me.
<kalikiana> or us xfce terminal which already has an editable toolbar
<samtate> gotwig: Thats not what elementary is about
<samtate> I assume since pantheon terminal is in Vala it uses a lot less memory
<kalikiana> samtate: I don't think there's a written rule against re-using well-working applications
<kalikiana> less than a C app?
<Kus> kalikiana, i want only the TAB auto complete thing running.
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<gotwig> kalikiana: hey
<kalikiana> Kus: isn't that the job of the shell/ interpreter?
<kalikiana> yo gotwig
<gotwig> kalikiana: are you the postler dev?
<kalikiana> gotwig: yep
<ampharos> compare to urxvt
<ampharos> NOT xterm
<ampharos> xterm is a memory hog and disk hog
<gotwig> kalikiana: than you are awesome I have to say
<gotwig> kalikiana: sry, but I had to say it :D
<gotwig> like all you guys here ^^
<samtate> yeah postler is awesome, but I can never get a working version anymore :P
<gotwig> RabbitBot is awesome, too ^^
<kalikiana> gotwig: thanks, any particular reason to say that? :-D
<gotwig> kalikiana: jeah, I found a million bugs xD
<gotwig> kalikiana: you are german, right?
<kalikiana> ja :-)
<gotwig> kalikiana: könnte ich dir ne PM schreiben, bitte?
<kalikiana> yep
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<dejongge> juhu, deutsche! :D
<gotwig> dejongge: haben Sie ein Problem :D ?
<gotwig> Unsere Experte helfen Ihnen gerne weiter :)
<gotwig> "Expterten" verdamt :D
<samtate> :P
<gotwig> klingt nach google übersetzung
<gotwig> :D
<kalikiana> haha
<kalikiana> dejongge klingt aber nach nederlandse taal
<samtate> Ich bin verwirrt :(
<kalikiana> ich meinte holländisch ;-)
<kalikiana> (auf holländisch)
<gotwig> das is ja erbärmlich
<gotwig> ich versuch eine show zu hören, über ein projekt was eine bessere welt, ohne geld, möchte, und alles ist in flash
<gotwig> die radio show
<gotwig> der chat sogar
<gotwig> wtf!
<gotwig> alles lagt
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<samtate> Halt!!
<samtate> something about without money :P
<gotwig> jeah
<gotwig> WE KILL THE LAW
<gotwig> I KILL OBAMA, REVOLUTION
<gotwig> l0l
<kalikiana> samtate: you're not german?
<Paddy_NI> Hey I love postler to bits but have opted to remove it until a later date, my question is how do I remove postler from my messaging menu indicator?
<gotwig> Zeitgeist Movement
<gotwig> Paddy_NI: just relog
<kalikiana> Paddy_NI: remove all accounts
<samtate> i attempt a show to hear, a project about a better world without mony. Id like and its all in flash
<samtate> :/
<samtate> kalikiana: British :P
<gotwig> samtate: that translation is good
<Paddy_NI> gotwig: It has been a week since I removed it
<gotwig> :D
<Paddy_NI> many logins and outs.. shutdowns and boot ups
<Paddy_NI> kalikiana: ?
<gotwig> ey diese Spinner
<gotwig> die reden von einer besseren welt und benutzen flash, hallo?
<gotwig> :/
<kalikiana> Paddy_NI: if you removed it, it should already be gone
<Paddy_NI> kalikiana: I no longer have postler installed
<Paddy_NI> nope still there
<kalikiana> and you still see it? hmm
<Paddy_NI> yeah odd huh
<kalikiana> I'd expect it to not show up, since, well, it's gone
<Paddy_NI> yeah lol
<Paddy_NI> I love postler very much now dont get me wrong
<kalikiana> though I have to say the messaging indicator is not intuitive and polished in all ways
<Paddy_NI> I know its an infant
<samtate> The talk of a better world using flash, hello?
<Paddy_NI> kalikiana: true
<Kus> shnatsel, what did you mean by folderbar
<Paddy_NI> very true
<gotwig> samtate: nono
<kalikiana> Paddy_NI: did you try stable or devel?
<gotwig> that translation is wrong
<gotwig> they talk about a better world, and use flash
<samtate> :(
<Paddy_NI> kalikiana: both.. installed stable first via ppa then had bugs and removed it and the ppa
<shnatsel> Kus: the widget that replaced the sidebar in latest Postler
<Paddy_NI> then used the dev ppa and postler build
<Paddy_NI> same again removed it and purged the ppa
<gotwig> f**k ya, Adobe!
<kalikiana> Paddy_NI: what made you decide to abandan it again?
<Paddy_NI> very  clean appart from the messaging indicator
<Paddy_NI> kalikiana: same bug :(
<kalikiana> just asking out of curiosity
<kalikiana> what bug?
<Paddy_NI> gobject something something appears instead of message subjects and none of them are clickable
<Kus> shnatsel, is it a granite widget?
<shnatsel> Kus: I think so
<samtate> im pretty sure the dev version of postler has a massive memory leak
<shnatsel> I'm pretty sure current dev version of Postler is unusable
<Paddy_NI> kalikiana: I gave it time to download my entire inbox which is modest
<gotwig> kalikiana: ./waf --update-po
<gotwig> Project not configured (run 'waf configure' first)
<gotwig> gotwig@gotwig-ubuntu:~/Spielecke/postler$ ./waf configure
<gotwig> Checking for program gcc or cc           : /usr/bin/gcc
<gotwig> Checking for program cpp                 : /usr/bin/cpp
<gotwig> Checking for program ar                  : /usr/bin/ar
<gotwig> Checking for program ranlib              : /usr/bin/ranlib
<gotwig> Checking for gcc                         : ok
<gotwig> Checking for program valac               : /usr/bin/valac
<gotwig> Checking for gobject-2.0                 : yes
<samtate> gotwig: Use pastebin :D
<gotwig> Checking for gthread-2.0                 : yes
<gotwig> Checking for program version valac >= 0.1.6 : ok 0.12.0
<gotwig> valac 0.10 or 0.14/ git is required
<gotwig> You can choose the version to use like this:
<gotwig> VALAC=valac-0.14 ./waf configure
<gotwig> VALAC=valac-0.10 ./waf configure --disable-gtk3
<gotwig> gotwig@gotwig-ubuntu:~/Spielecke/postler$
<kalikiana> gotwig: erm, better pm that kind of output :-)
<samtate> gameyummy again i see
<Kus> shnatsel, kalikiana mode button?
<shnatsel> Kus: ?
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<Kus> there is a widget named ModeButton.
<samtate> http://i.imgur.com/Ta9dG.jpg Why hello there Ergo, why are you existing?
<samtate> "Kas did some cool work on me and made me live :)"
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<gotwig> samtate: Dont call my master Kas, !
<Kus> samtate, wtf?
<samtate> Damn, typo :P
<samtate> I have no idea how I managed that xD
<Kus> gotwig, wtf?
<gotwig> Kus: what?
<Kus> gotwig, hack postler and get me the name i search for.
<gotwig> Kus: Yes, Master! Give me 1 minute, I run on 64 bit.
<davidboy> Anyone notice that the terminal and switchboard icons are slightly shorter than the others?  xD
<gotwig> INPUT:
<gotwig> INPUT:
<gotwig> I AM WAITING FOR INPUT
<samtate> davidboy: Yeah Its annoying
<gotwig> Kus: INPUT:
<Kus> gotwig, get me the mockup of the new postler
<davidboy> gotwig: Figure out why I can't set a background image for a h1 in my webapp
<davidboy> gotwig: sudo ^^
<Kus> gotwig, you are slow
<Kus> http://danrabbit.deviantart.com/art/Postler-170793979
<gotwig> Kus: SRY, MY KERNEL IS WRITTEN IN ADOBE ® FLASH ® 10
<gotwig> Kus: LOW KEYS IN LINUX ARE NOT SUPPORTED
<gotwig> kalikiana: there
<gotwig> kalikiana: ?
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<samtate> compiling postler now
<kalikiana> samtate: +1
<samtate> unfortunately it wants webkitgtk-3.0 which is 251 Mb :P
<samtate> and therefore a 8 - 12 min download
<kalikiana> samtate: you *could* use gtk2 for now
<kalikiana> if you already have that
<samtate> may aswell get gtk3
<samtate> Ill need it eventually
<kalikiana> ok, just a sugggestion if your line is too slow
<samtate> nah its fine :P
<kalikiana> I definitely recommend gtk3, it looks beautiful with egtk
<samtate> Ill just listen to music for 10 mins ;)
<samtate> im really starting to dislike using non elementary apps
<samtate> They look so bland
<gotwig> kalikiana: +1
<cassidyjames> samtate: ++
<samtate> such as the terminal and totem
<samtate> empathy is OK, but graham looks cooler :P
<cassidyjames> WHOA
<samtate> ?
* cassidyjames forgot Pantheon's Terminal had Notify-OSD stuff!
<cassidyjames> :D
<samtate> :P
<samtate> I would use it but its so freaking ugly right now
<cassidyjames> If tab-completion were fixed, I would stop screaming.
<cassidyjames> samtate: EAT THE DOGFOOD!
<cassidyjames> xD
<samtate> cassidyjames: xD i didnt make it ;)
<cassidyjames> samtate: Did you not read the article?
<cassidyjames> samtate: It's not just about your own app.
<samtate> Yeah I did
<cassidyjames> samtate: It's about the project as a whole.
<samtate> But it wont work for me anyway
<cassidyjames> samtate: Tell the dev it's ugly! File a bug about it, even.
<cassidyjames> !report pantheon-terminal
<cassidyjames> samtate: Share your feedback there, where it'll be heard. ;)
<samtate> OK I will :P
<samtate> "Design is under par"
<samtate> Thats the nicest way I could think to put it :P
<cassidyjames> kalikiana: "error: Package `webkitgtk-3.0' not found in specified Vala API directories or GObject-Introspection GIR directories" how do I fix it? :P
<cassidyjames> kalikiana: I have libwebkitgtk-3.0-dev installed.
<btkostner> put an apple next to it to make it look better
<cassidyjames> btkostner: lolwut
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<cassidyjames> !kick btkostner
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<cassidyjames> xD
<samtate> :P
<btkostner> my os x computer made a cool sound when you kicked me
<samtate> OMG
<cassidyjames> btkostner: lol
<cassidyjames> btkostner: You just *want* to be kicked again, don't you?
* btkostner runs
<samtate> rabbitbot should be growling now :(. That was my favourite feature
<cassidyjames> !kick btkostner
<samtate> xD
<cassidyjames> samtate: It was removed for false positives.
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<cassidyjames> samtate: And people got confused.
<btkostner> it is dark in here
<samtate> bug 810158 is up :P
<cassidyjames> samtate: thanks!
<samtate> !rabbitsay grr
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(='=) -< grr
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(')(')
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<samtate> YAY
<samtate> 24 secs left of gtk3 :)
<btkostner> samtate: how do you like em apples
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<samtate> btkostner: xD
<samtate> error: Package `webkitgtk-3.0' not found in specified Vala API directories or GObject-Introspection GIR directories
<samtate>  wtf
<samtate> i just installed it
<samtate> help my n00biness plz someone :P
<Kus> kalikiana, what do i need to do to get the postler folder view bar?
<dardevelin> samtate: hi, did you tried to reboot ?
<dardevelin> samtate: or maybe you need to create a symblink
<dardevelin> samtate:  not sure ( another noob here talking )
<btkostner> noob party!
<samtate> dardevelin: Im reading some pastebin logs with lallenlowe having exactly the same issue xD
<kalikiana> Kus: just get the latest devel branch
<Kus> devel of what?
<kalikiana> postler :-)
<Kus> got it
<samtate> <xapantu> lallenlowe, copy webkit-1.0.vapi in webkitgtk-3.0.vapi, it will work - omg im such a n00b. Copy what to where xD
<Kus> kalikiana, which file should i look at?
<kalikiana> Kus: not sure what you're after to be honest
<kalikiana> you want to run it? or read the soucre?
<kalikiana> *source
<Kus> kalikiana, want to copy the bar with the "inbox" "sent" etc.
<kalikiana> Kus: then you want to look at postler/postler-folders.vala
<samtate> kalikiana: please help with my n00b issue :P
<samtate> error: Package `webkitgtk-3.0' not found in specified Vala API directories or GObject-Introspection GIR directories
<Paddy_NI> does dexter work with other mail clients?
<samtate> i assume via contractor right?
<Paddy_NI> Right click contact > compose message
<kalikiana> samtate: ah, hold on, I'll upload a file for you, it's absent from the vala package
<samtate> kalikiana: OMG thanks so much :D
<kalikiana> samtate: put both http://lanedo.com/~christian/webkitgtk-3.0.deps and http://lanedo.com/~christian/webkitgtk-3.0.vapi in the postler subfolder
<cassidyjames> kalikiana: THANK YOU. xD
<kalikiana> hm?
<cassidyjames> samtate: btw check out bug 804903. So many people have come there to report it!
<kalikiana> brb
<samtate> cassidyjames: I know :) thank you kalikiana
<Kus> kalikiana, will it be one of granite widgets?
<samtate> I got another error, but this time thanks to rabbitbot I know how to fix it :D
<samtate> ../postler/postler-content.vala:440.13-440.36: error: 1 extra arguments for `GLib.TimeVal Soup.Date.to_timeval ()'
<samtate> See http://pastebin.com/FzCgRKa3
<samtate> line 600
<Kus> good night everyone
<samtate> meh it didnt work
<samtate> Good night Kus :)
<samtate> Amazing work :P
<Kus> samtate, tomorrow comes one more toolbar
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<gotwig> kalikiana: ^
<cassidyjames> samtate: Do you get "/usr/include/folks/folks.h:12:17: fatal error: gee.h: No such file or directory"? kalikiana any ideas? :P
<samtate> kalikiana: xapantu gave lallenlowe this file http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/642113/, but i dont get how to apply it
<gotwig> samtate: hes afk
<samtate> kalikiana: Sorry to keep bothering you :P
<gotwig> samtate: hes just afk
<gotwig> :
<gotwig> X
<samtate> yep i know :P
<gotwig> samtate: :P yourself
<gotwig> samtate: :-) good night
<gotwig> n1te, folks
<samtate> Night :D
<gotwig> I go now, play warsaw
<btkostner> nite
<samtate> Gute nacht ;)
<gotwig> or sth like that
<samtate> warsow FTW
<gotwig> Ich zocke jetz
<gotwig> :D
<samtate> kthxbai
<gotwig> mit mir selber, weil ich keine freunde hab
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<gotwig> lol
<samtate> lol
<gotwig> bin umgezogen, muss erstmal leute kennen lernen
<gotwig> hab schon einen gefunden aus der umgebung, der auch auf einem privaten wow server spielt
<gotwig> xD
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<samtate> To all of you non German speakers:
<samtate> "I have moved", I must first get to know people. I've already found someone who plays on a private WOW server"
<samtate> Or something like that xD
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<kalikiana> samtate: so what's the problem?
<samtate> kalikiana: Im trying to build it and I get ../postler/postler-content.vala:440.13-440.36: error: 1 extra arguments for `GLib.TimeVal Soup.Date.to_timeval ()' 22:25:04
<kalikiana> meh. I guess another binding change :-/
<samtate> kalikiana: xapantu gave lallenlowe this file http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/642113/ in the logs, but i dont know what to do with it xD
<kalikiana> samtate: download it and do 'patch -p1 < filename'
<dejongge> sorry, war afk
<dejongge> not dutch, this is just my nickname
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<lsrline> !logs
<samtate> now i get the same error as cassidyjames :P /usr/include/folks/folks.h:12:17: fatal error: gee.h: No such file or directory
<samtate> compilation terminated.
<samtate> Its just one after another
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<eos-site-user5> hi
<kalikiana> fuck, I was too slow with the power cord and it already logged me off
<eos-site-user5> there's anyone?
<eos-site-user5> ok
<samtate> hi eos-site-user5
<kalikiana> yes, eos-site-user5, we're quite active, no worries :-)
<eos-site-user5> i had an idea
<eos-site-user5> for eOS
<samtate> eos-site-user5: Shoot :)
<eos-site-user5> :D
<Sparky_nl> Haha, sucks! Always trying to use the battery to the last minute! ^^
<eos-site-user5> i've a mavbook pro (don't kill me! i'm running ubuntu with Pantheon :D)
<eos-site-user5> and one of the things
<samtate> very well :P
<eos-site-user5> i liked the most
<eos-site-user5> is that in mac os
<eos-site-user5> if there's not enought space you can press the button
<eos-site-user5> on the right
<btkostner> eos-site-user5: we don't kill people with macbook pros, DanRabbit has one
<eos-site-user5> that reduces the mai bar on the top to save a lot of space
<samtate> not enough space for what?
<btkostner> and we can't kill him
<eos-site-user5> ahah, i know XD
<eos-site-user5> for the menu
<eos-site-user5> buttons etc.
<eos-site-user5> wait, i'll try o find a video to explain
<samtate> ok :)
<eos-site-user5> i'm sorry i'm italian and i'm not brilliant!
<cassidyjames> eos-site-user5: The fullscreen thing in Lion, right?
<eos-site-user5> not
<cassidyjames> eos-site-user5: Ah.
<cassidyjames> kalikiana: samtate and I are getting
<eos-site-user5> i've snw leopard
<cassidyjames> "/usr/include/folks/folks.h:12:17: fatal error: gee.h: No such file or directory" when we compile
<cassidyjames> eos-site-user5: Hm...
<btkostner> eos-site-user5: so do I
<cassidyjames> eos-site-user5: A screenshot or video would be best methinks.
<kalikiana> cassidyjames: so you need gee-dev or so :-)
<kalikiana> let me check
<cassidyjames> kalikiana: I thought I had it. :-/
<cassidyjames> kalikiana: libgee-dev?
<kalikiana> libgee-dev
<kalikiana> yes
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<cassidyjames> kalikiana: Yeah already installed.
<samtate> same here
<kalikiana> hmm
<kalikiana> oh, hold on, idea
<cassidyjames> kalikiana: kk
<kalikiana> samtate: cassidyjames: try adding GEE to postler/wscript_build line 17
<kalikiana> the thing is, there are least two differently build libfolks versions around
<kalikiana> and the one I have has this built-in
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<samtate> kalikiana: Yep :D that worked
<samtate> Now got more errors xD
<kalikiana> grrr, ok, paste, please
<cassidyjames> kalikiana: http://paste.ubuntu.com/643561/
<samtate> OK i think its the same issue again
<samtate> Makes things easier
<kalikiana> hmmm
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<kalikiana> samtate: cassidyjames: oh, did you put a space between FOLKS and GEE in the wscript_build?
<kalikiana> if not, that would explain the error
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<samtate> im pretty sure i did
<kalikiana> ok
<samtate> yeah I did
<kalikiana> this is puzzling.
<kalikiana> maybe you want to disable folks for now :-]
<samtate> what does it do :P
<kalikiana> ./waf configure --disable-libfolks
<kalikiana> well, it would use names and avatars from your addressbook or messaging contacts
<kalikiana> but I have no idea where that error comes from
<samtate> Well it installed :)
<kalikiana> progress eventually :-P
<samtate> But now I get yet another error when trying to run it :P
<samtate> Gtk-ERROR **: GTK+ 2.x symbols detected. Using GTK+ 2.x and GTK+ 3 in the same process is not supported
<kalikiana> er
<samtate> i know :/
<cassidyjames> kalikiana: I did.
<kalikiana> cassidyjames: for now my advise is, ./waf configure --disable-libfolks
<kalikiana> I don't know where that error is coming from
<cassidyjames> kalikiana: kk
<seif> kalikiana, yo guys
<cassidyjames> seif: sup
<seif> guys feel free to assign me stuff while i am still kinda free
<cassidyjames> seif: OOH OOH I GOT ONE
<dardevelin> some help for a noob
<seif> cassidyjames, hit me
<cassidyjames> seif: bug 804903 xD
<dardevelin> does anyone knows if after installing ruby is required to set some type of security settings ?
<cassidyjames> dardevelin: no clue.
<dardevelin> i want to install redcar more specifically and that requires ruby gems
<samtate> no cassidyjames, the most important bug is bug 810158 :P
<cassidyjames> samtate: lol
<dardevelin> cassidyjames: thanks anyways
<dardevelin> anyone else?
<seif> cassidyjames, ok one it
<cassidyjames> samtate: That's the fault of the theme mostly I think.
<cassidyjames> seif: You rock. Thanks!
<seif> cassidyjames, you will have a fix this weekend 100%
<eos-site-user5> excuseme i'm back
<eos-site-user5> but i've not found any videos..
<cassidyjames> seif: Awesome, add a comment and mark it as in progress please. :)
<seif> cassidyjames, not really
<cassidyjames> seif: Hm?
<seif> cassidyjames, when is the next meeting
<samtate> eos-site-user5: Ah it doesnt matter, can you find a description on the apple website or something
<eos-site-user5> i tried...
<cassidyjames> seif: Friday.
<eos-site-user5> http://www.eweek.com/images/stories/slideshows/parallels_mac_4_0/parallelsmac05.jpg
<seif> i would like to introduce a more standard way of profiling bugs
<seif> ok cool
<seif> cassidyjames, count me in
<eos-site-user5> you can see this image
<seif> please ping me
<eos-site-user5>  and
<eos-site-user5> i can explain
<cassidyjames> seif: Will do, I'll add you to the schedule. :)
<seif> thanks
<eos-site-user5> that the button on the right if clicked will reduce and minimize all the buttons, to preserve useful space
<eos-site-user5> my idea was to
<eos-site-user5> do something similar
<eos-site-user5> into eOS
<eos-site-user5> because in ubuntu there's
<eos-site-user5> the appmenu and in unity
<eos-site-user5> the bar has also the button and the space is well used
<eos-site-user5> but in eos i think it's not so.
<cassidyjames> eos-site-user5: So the button on the right side of the titlebar collapses the toolbar?
<eos-site-user5> yes
<eos-site-user5> and in the finder
<cassidyjames> eos-site-user5: Does it hide it completely, or just make the icons smaller, or what?
<eos-site-user5> it also collapse the sidebar
<eos-site-user5> nono hides complitely
<samtate> eos-site-user5: If we implement that, all the apple fanboys will be like "OMG YOU COPIED APPLE AGAIN LOLOL"
<samtate> even though it is a great idea :P
<cassidyjames> eos-site-user5: Hm... that'd require tighter integration between the wm and GTK, plus I don't really see how it's beneficial to all users.
<eos-site-user5> thanks
<eos-site-user5> eh i know it would be not simple..
<eos-site-user5> but you rocks :D
<cassidyjames> eos-site-user5: I think it'd be better (and easier) for the app to provide similar functionality if they want.
<kalikiana> hey seif, what's up?
<kalikiana> haven't seen you in a while
<seif> kalikiana, yeah i have been very busy with things
<seif> zeitgeist memory consumption repairs etc
<eos-site-user5> i think that with plank pantheon slingshot
<samtate> what we really need is some sort of script in Luna which hides the menu in the app, and puts it into an appmenu on the titlebar or something
<eos-site-user5> eos is too similiar to mac
<shnatsel> lol
<eos-site-user5> in things that are not useful like this..
<kalikiana> seif: ah, I saw the blog post, looked nice
<samtate> eos-site-user5: Just because it has a dock doesnt make it similar to mac :P
<eos-site-user5> eheh
<samtate> the dock looks nothing like the mac one anyway
<eos-site-user5> slingshot is COPIED to launchpad of Lion...
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<eos-site-user5> copied from*
<samtate> Apple took the idea of launchpad from slingshot almost certainly yes
<shnatsel> eos-site-user5: it will be completely different in Luna
<davidboy> hehe
<samtate> since slingshot was around firsy
<seif> kalikiana, can u give me anything to fix please
<samtate> ;)
<shnatsel> eos-site-user5: the current implementation is an experiment and it's clear that it's not a good idea
<kalikiana> seif: you can look at postler's sqlite, maybe you have some ideas for improvement :-)
<eos-site-user5> r u serious? sligshot came first?
<shnatsel> eos-site-user5: it will be completely redesigned, and _maybe_ will use some of Synapse's algorithms
<kalikiana> or if you happen to feel like implementing references support...
<seif> kalikiana, yes
<seif> btw kalikiana sqlite3 now suppors FTS
<samtate> im pretty sure the mockups were first before launchpad
<seif> or better FTS
<samtate> Also, Mission Control is completly copied from Gnome 3 activities manager
<eos-site-user5> wow...
<samtate> And the App Store from the software centre.
<kalikiana> seif: atm there is only header search. suggestions for fulltext search would be useful as well
<eos-site-user5> yes i tought
<seif> yeah
<samtate> I dont mind this, its just when apple say they invented these things that pisses me off
<seif> its what i was doing all last 2 weeks
<seif> fixing leaks in fts-xapian
<eos-site-user5> that an integration of synapse and slingshot will be extremely powerful.
<kalikiana> seif: would you recommend in favour of or against xapian?
<seif> kalikiana, xpaian is BY FAR THE BEST
<cassidyjames> eos-site-user5: Well they both (will) use zeitgeist, so I think they'll be "integrated" enough. Synapse is really more for power users.
<seif> it takes some time to understand though
<eos-site-user5> ok
<Gusions> hello
<samtate> Hello Gusions
<kalikiana> seif: time is precious... especially since I see need for more work as I get features done :-/
<cassidyjames> seif: Ugh, can I redesign the xapian site for them? :P
<eos-site-user5> Ciao gus, sono diego :D
<cassidyjames> eos-site-user5: Bye!
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<davidboy> cassidyjames: You can redesign my site if you need something to do.  :D
<seif> cassidyjames, u can redesign the zeitgeist one if you are interested
<seif> :P
<cassidyjames> davidboy: Oh I have lots to do, I just think they should be better represented. :)
<eos-site-user5> thanks! you are kicking me away!
<cassidyjames> seif: Hm, perhaps.
<cassidyjames> seif: Link?
<cassidyjames> :)
<seif> zeitgeist-project.com
<cassidyjames> eos-site-user5: Oh. I probably misinterpreted something. xD
<eos-site-user5> ahah XD
<samtate> oh no, its faenza :P
<cassidyjames> eos-site-user5: Oh, you were saying hi to Gusions? :P
<davidboy> cassidyjames:  :-(
<eos-site-user5> oh yes!
<eos-site-user5> i know him
<eos-site-user5> i knew him in the IT site of eos
<cassidyjames> eos-site-user5: Ah, yes. Cool.
<cassidyjames> davidboy: lol
* cassidyjames is working on a mobile app right now, actually.
<samtate> cassidyjames: Ooh which one?
<Gusions> ohhh big Cassidy
<Gusions> understand italian :D
<cassidyjames> samtate: Not the elementary OS one yet.
<eos-site-user5> i was searching someone intrested in my idea of a social application
<eos-site-user5> ahahahha!
<samtate> cassidyjames: Yet? :P
<cassidyjames> samtate: Oops! Did I let that slip?
<cassidyjames> ;)
<eos-site-user5> it was simple! "Ciao!"
<samtate> haha time to make the elementary app ;)
<eos-site-user5> graham??
<samtate> graham ftw
<eos-site-user5> does exist?
<samtate> nope
<samtate> its a mockup
<eos-site-user5> perfect!
<eos-site-user5> i have an intresting mokup
<eos-site-user5> see here samtate: http://diesys.blogspot.com/2011/07/elementary-netsquare-mockup-eng.html
<eos-site-user5> (my blog)
<davidboy> eos-site-user5: Nice, but I don't think it should handle contacts
<samtate> Nice :)
<davidboy> just integrate with dexter for that
<eos-site-user5> for having
<samtate> i dont see much point in desktop social clients though
<samtate> Especially since Google+ has a
<eos-site-user5> every contact for each person you know
<samtate> such a great interface*
<eos-site-user5> i agree
<eos-site-user5> but if it will be welldone
<eos-site-user5> i think it would be more useful
<eos-site-user5> to have it in your desktop
<davidboy> eos-site-user5: What did you use to make your mockups?
<eos-site-user5> instead in the browser
<eos-site-user5> inkscape
<eos-site-user5> himo
<eos-site-user5> the normal user prefers to have everything under control
<eos-site-user5> in the desktop
<eos-site-user5> to have apps in the browser and in the desk
<eos-site-user5> it's confusing if u use different apps and web-apps
<samtate> BTW cassidyjames, google ruined my s@mtate.me.uk email :(
<eos-site-user5> the solution are 2
<davidboy> eos-site-user5: Hmm, I need to figure out inkscape.  Any tips?  :P
<eos-site-user5> Chrome OS
<samtate> davidboy: Download some other mockups and mess around with them
<eos-site-user5> or Everything integrated in the desk
<samtate> Thats what I fif
<samtate> did*
<eos-site-user5> inkscape is simpler than it appears to be
<eos-site-user5> it was my first moukup...
<eos-site-user5> you only have to
<eos-site-user5> pratice not a lot
<eos-site-user5> but a bit :D
<eos-site-user5> the only tip..
<eos-site-user5> it's to dare and practice!
<eos-site-user5> :P
<eos-site-user5> you will learn by urself
<curtism> anyone have some code handy for making the background of a gtk window transparent?
<curtism> (i'll take any language)
<samtate> ok bye guys. Im gonna go now :D
<samtate> See you all tomorrow for some more ergolicious action xD
<samtate> http://i.imgur.com/Ta9dG.jpg woo ergo!
<Gusions> fantastic
<Gusions> you've fixed my bug man?
<Gusions> :D
<samtate> Gusions: Probably not, but i suspect it is due to not having the right version of granite
<samtate> get the latest version from lp:granite and try again :D
<Gusions> i have the last commit
<Gusions> of granite :D
<samtate> hmm, Ill have another look then
<eos-site-user5> what is ergo?
<samtate> Gusions: Try getting lp:ergo again, it has been revised recently
<samtate> and eos-site-user5 its a ToDo list for elementary
<samtate> Made by the good Kus and I
<Gusions> mmm it's the same commit that i compiled
<samtate> huh
<eos-site-user5> ok
<eos-site-user5> why ergo as name?
<samtate> i believe it is greek for task :D
<eos-site-user5> ergo is latin..
<eos-site-user5> it means
<eos-site-user5> "then"
<eos-site-user5> "therefore"
<samtate> Yes
<samtate> But task in greek is έργο
<samtate> Which is phonetically spelt Ergo
<eos-site-user5> uh..
<samtate> anyway I need to kthxbai now
<samtate> (Thats a new verb :P to kthxbai)
<eos-site-user5> nice :D
<eos-site-user5> "cogito ergo sum" :D
<samtate> Sorry about that Gusions, but it wont compile for me either. You are better off running it under glimpse. Thats how I got it to work
<samtate> eos-site-user5: Free advertising every time someone reads anything about philosophy xD
<samtate> Byeeee
<eos-site-user5> eheh byeee!
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<prizm_> hcabaguio|gaems what gaems?
<hcabaguio|gaems> prizm_: pronographic gaems
<prizm_> graphics are like?
<hcabaguio|gaems> very good :D
<prizm_> OH FUCK YOU
<hcabaguio|gaems> xD
<prizm_> SOMEBODY USING MY NICK?
<prizm_> GHOST THAT SHIT
<hcabaguio|gaems> huh?
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<ampharos> i ghosted them and changed back
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<dardevelin> hi there
<dardevelin> from a fresh install of ElementaryOS what updates do you guys recommend?
<dardevelin> should i update  Ubuntu 11.04 'Natty Narwhal?
<btkostner> dardevelin: don't upgrade the system
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<dardevelin> btkostner, ok so and what about the updates of the update manager ?
<btkostner> you can update any programs and things, just don't upgrade your system to any new version of ubuntu
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<dardevelin> btkostner, ok. Any specific reason ?
<btkostner> it will break elementary
<dardevelin> btkostner, ok fair enough. Is there any alpha or beta, or even final packages that can be downloaded of luna ?
<btkostner> using natty, you can have our development ppa
<dardevelin> so i update and then use your ppa or i add your ppa and then update to natty ?
<dardevelin> btkostner, ^^
<btkostner> no, use natty then add the ppa and update
<dardevelin> i'll reboot brb
<btkostner> bye
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<dardevelin> back
<dardevelin> upgrading to natty now
<dardevelin> can you give me the ppa ?
<dardevelin> btkostner: or at least point me were can i get i t
<dardevelin> anyone around ?
<codygarver> daredevelin, you still here?
<codygarver> dardevelin I mean
<codygarver> dardevelin: http://pastebin.com/LhuLNsGY
<dardevelin> codygarver, yes I am
<dardevelin> codygarver, ok thank you very much :D
<codygarver> no problem dardevelin :)
<dardevelin> btw is there any goal on developing a mind mapping program ?
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<eos-site-user9> Uhh is this where I get help?
<eos-site-user9> Hellooooooo
<eos-site-user9> !help
<eos-site-user9> Erm...hello?
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<eos-site-user4> hello?
<eos-site-user4> need help
<eos-site-user4> guys
<eos-site-user4> anyone out there?
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<dardevelin> hey anyone around ?
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<dardevelin> btkostner, after installing natty and adding the ppa
<dardevelin> i've done the update
<dardevelin> and should i add all the other elementary os packages ?
<btkostner> if you want full on elementary
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<kalikiana> dardevelin: you just need the one, it should contain all the apps
<dardevelin> btw is it suppose to flash a deb window while installing things with ubuntu software center ?
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<dardevelin> pantheon-xsession-settings depends on pantheon-wallpaper ( any idea were can i get that if its already available of course )
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<dardevelin> hi there
<dardevelin> one quick question, whats the root password in jupiter ?
<dardevelin> it fails to authenticate doing su on terminal
<hcabaguio> probably empty
<hcabaguio> or idunno
<hcabaguio> try changing the password
<btkostner|dead> its empty
<btkostner|dead> http://btkostner.deviantart.com/art/half-life-224456095
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<hcabaguio> btkostner: do you know what local video sharing is called?
<btkostner> like video chat?
<hcabaguio> no, like streaming video from one computer to the other over a local network
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<btkostner> no clue
<dardevelin> hcabaguio, well the principle still the same, its still being streaming, its just in a local network
<hcabaguio> dardevelin: but this is for a video player app :P
<dardevelin> hcabaguio, your naming it or trying to find one ?
<hcabaguio> naming a feature
<dardevelin> hcabaguio, go right to the point, it stays really hard if your looking for new apps and the name has nothing to do with its functionality. So if its for streaming, put something like - LocalStream-elementary or whatever
<hcabaguio> dardevelin: um no, its a video player with a local stream feature, its not the "main" feature :P
<dardevelin> let the funky name after the dash, in that way you can always have a crazy name combined with the real descriptive name
<hcabaguio> I'm not naming the app, although it doesn't have a name yet :P
<dardevelin> hcabaguio, when you said features i assumed it was a separate package (my bad )
<dardevelin> btw upgrading from jupiter was a huge mistake. i guess i'll have to do the dev version tomorrow starting with natty and adding the ppa
<btkostner> I vote it should be named theater
<hcabaguio> woah
<hcabaguio> that's actually I really nice name
<hcabaguio> almost
<hcabaguio> just a bit more
<btkostner> cinema
<dardevelin> El-Cinema lol
<curtism> quick, someone give me a name for a panel i'm writing (not at all affiliated with elementary, just need a name)
<dardevelin> lenap
<dardevelin> lmao
<curtism> original
<btkostner> the panel
<curtism> even more original
<btkostner> =====> that panel
<curtism> is this really the elementary crowd? all of elementary's things have good names
<dardevelin> well i said lenap
<dardevelin> its reversed panel
<curtism> that doesn't make it good
<btkostner> mine is super original
<hcabaguio> what is a panel? ._.
<btkostner> anything that is always on the screen that is smaller than half of the screen and has applets on it
<curtism> hcabaguio: a bar on an edge of a screen usually containing a clock, tray, window list, etc
<hcabaguio> why are you writing one?
<hcabaguio> and that was my first guess but I thought why would you do that?
<curtism> why not?
<curtism> i am dissatisfied with existing panels
<hcabaguio> call it footpanel
<hcabaguio> and put it at the bottom
<curtism> no, it's going in the top-right
<hcabaguio> call it wi- oh right
<hcabaguio> call it floatpanel
<btkostner> call it stupidpanel
<curtism> :(
<hcabaguio> so
<btkostner> so stupid a caveman can do it
<hcabaguio> what do you think of this: http://i.imgur.com/Ce6o5.png
<btkostner> it needs a toolbar
<btkostner> and a youtube icon
<btkostner> but I like it
<btkostner> :D
<hcabaguio> lol I tried it like spiceofdesign's audrey movie player mockup
<btkostner> "Get a life: you currently don't have any videos"
<hcabaguio> that makes no sense
<btkostner> yes it does
<btkostner> it just is not true
<btkostner> but it makes sense
<btkostner> its 11:30 here
<hcabaguio> here too
<hcabaguio> I'm gonna finish this mock tomorrow
<hcabaguio> seriously
<hcabaguio> it's taking me a week to complete one mock
<btkostner> lol
<btkostner> slow
<btkostner> down
<btkostner> NOW
<hcabaguio> no
<hcabaguio> I used to create mockups like crazy xD
<hcabaguio> well nn
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<btkostner> </my life>
<Omega> it should be named
<Omega> bioscope
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<samtate> hey
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<Kus> !logs
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<g0twig> hey
<samtate> hey g0twig
<g0twig> it seems that the gnome-settings-daemon bug is solved
<g0twig> I readed on lp, I am now at livecd
<g0twig> liveusb, excuse me :)
<g0twig> samtate: do you know that you can use youtube with html5?
<g0twig> samtate: without flash
<samtate> g0twig: Yeah, but I dont like it yet
<g0twig> samtate: why
<g0twig> samtate: notfication box´s or what ever in videos dont work
<samtate> The player isnt as advanced at the moment, and it doesnt really have fullscreen
<g0twig> its good for liveusb
<samtate> yep
<g0twig> I want to write a plugin for midori
<g0twig> that uses youtube in html5, when flash is not installed
<g0twig> would be good for livecd
<g0twig> but not only livecd
<g0twig> so can people have an very OSS system
<g0twig> "a"
<samtate> it also doesnt work properly with http://www.youtube.com/cosmicpanda
<g0twig> but it does work sometimes
<g0twig> better as nothing IMHO
<g0twig> and you have nothing, when flash is not activated
<samtate> defo
<g0twig> that means ? :D
<samtate> definately
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<g0twig> when you install flash, the plugin will deactivate
<g0twig> thats the idea
<g0twig> and not only youtube
<g0twig> also vimeo as example
<g0twig> juhu gnome-settings-daemon does not get segfault!
<g0twig> :D
<samtate> Postler does for me :P
<g0twig> :P
<g0twig> thats far more important for all of us
<g0twig> :P
<samtate> ill just stick with gmail for now
<g0twig> now we can important dconf keys/ what ever
<g0twig> last time I saw midori with just 1 url bar ;)
<g0twig> search bar included
<g0twig> just becouse of our dconf hacking shit :D
<samtate> :P
<samtate> I'm trying to fix some bugs in eGTK because its not that hard apparently :P
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<Kus> samtate, check this out http://i.imgur.com/TbFTR.png
<samtate> Kus: Looking great :D
<Kus> samtate, i know :D
<samtate> I dont know if I like that more than the mockup :P
<samtate> i suppose it has to fit in
<Kus> samtate, it has no styling atm.
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<gotwig> hey
<Kus> gotwig, hey
<gotwig> Luna can boot !
<Kus> daily?
<gotwig> jeah
<gotwig> after install
<gotwig> and gnome-settings-daemon bug is fixed
<gotwig> :)
<gotwig> that means you can now use Luna
<gotwig> and install it
<gotwig> (tested with liveusb)
<samtate> BTW, anyone who has glimpse: open gedit from within oneiric, press Open and go to a folder with lots of files. The scrollbar should be blue
<samtate> doesnt it look much nicer than the elementary grey one?
<samtate> brb
<Kus> glimpse has overlayscrollbars
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<samtate> Kus: Yeah exactly
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<urbis> hi there!
<urbis> 11.04 ubuntu after sudo apt-get install Postler says E: Unable to locate package Postler
<gotwig> urbis: which ppa do you use?
<gotwig> urbis: you need to use the development ppa
<gotwig> what contains beta / not ready software
<urbis> sudo add-apt-repository ppa:postler-dev/ppa
<urbis> seems like i`m already using it
<urbis> am i right?
<gotwig> ehm
<gotwig> I mean that from elementary
<gotwig> elementary dev ppa
<gotwig> god look at that ppa
<gotwig> the last version is 16 weeks old
<gotwig> from postler-dev
<urbis> yea i see
<gotwig> elementary dev ppa contains daily build apps, from bzr
<urbis> hmm where to get them?
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<gotwig> urbis: just add the elementary development ppa
<gotwig> with add-apt-repositority ppa:****
<gotwig> on terminal
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<urbis> can you give me the full command?
<gotwig> urbis: kay, wait
<gotwig> add-apt-repository ppa:elementaryart/elementary-dev
<gotwig> use that command
<gotwig> and than sudo apt-get update, when you use software-center, it does that automaticly
<gotwig> urbis: does it work?
<urbis> for now it shows only dexter
<urbis> no postler found :<
<gotwig> urbis: try from terminal
<gotwig> sudo apt-get install postler
<urbis> sudo apt-get install Postler
<urbis> Reading package lists... Done
<urbis> Building dependency tree
<urbis> Reading state information... Done
<urbis> E: Unable to locate package Postler
<urbis> already tries
<urbis> tried*
<urbis> ohh big P
<urbis> with little p works
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<gotwig> urbis: sry :D
<gotwig> urbis: just copy:зфые
<gotwig> just copy & past russian layout , lol
<gotwig> :D
<gotwig> urbis: does it work?
<urbis> gotwig: vsjo horosho ;)
<gotwig> urbis: I am from germany xD
<urbis> ohh
<gotwig> I only talk a little russian
<gotwig> but I understand what you wrote
<gotwig> even if it wasnt kyrilic ;)
<urbis> i`m from Latvia
<gotwig> kay :)
<gotwig> my parents came from russia
<urbis> latvian is my first language, then russian and then english
<urbis> at english test in 2008. I get level C
<urbis> for now my english is so so
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<gotwig> urbis: :D
<gotwig> urbis: are you a dev, or a contributor?
<gotwig> or a user :) ?
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<Kus> gotwig, have you seen the new look of ...
<gotwig> Kus: ERGO??
<gotwig> n0
<Kus> gotwig, http://i.imgur.com/TbFTR.png
<gotwig> n1
<gotwig> where are the TAGS :D ?
<gotwig> http://dl.dropbox.com/u/877248/sourceslist.eu/wp-content/uploads/2011/06/gnomint11.png
<gotwig> GnoMint11
<gotwig> rofl
<gotwig> isnt that nice xD?
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<urbis> gotwig: user
<Kus> where would you like to see the tags?
<Kus> Yeah, Latvia is full of awesome people!
<urbis> he he
<urbis> ir ir
<gotwig> ir ir :D
<gotwig> duno where I want the tags
<gotwig> hm
<gotwig> left to the "today", etc. things?
<gotwig> Kus: ^
<Kus> gotwig, maybe next to the "today" i could make a "Tags"  and there you can choose to filter by tags
<gotwig> that I mean
<gotwig> but I like realy the idea that the add task thing is included into the app itself
<gotwig> no other windows
<gotwig> maybe, the window can be bigger
<gotwig> ?
<Kus> Hmm
<Kus> how about a add task entry in "Tags"?
<gotwig> Kus: I cant imagine that
<gotwig> :)
<gotwig> Kus: make a mockup
<Kus> me and mockup ho ho
<Kus> gotwig, no rly. lets wait for Sam
<gotwig> Kus: how you make your mockups?
<gotwig> oh you dont make mockups, right :D ?
<Kus> gotwig, not yet. :D
<Kus> gotwig, ok will try
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<TonyGorski> hi. where can i find some more details about beginner programming guide?
<Kus> TonyGorski, for what purpose?
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<samtate> Why hello there
<TonyGorski> kus, i'm interested in learning C and i'm thinking how to start, so i'm thinking if this guide would help me a bit
<samtate> !logs
<samtate> Rabbitbot is awesome :)
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<Kus> I am too lazy to search in google for a guide...
<TonyGorski> i mean i heard sth about guide from elementary team
<TonyGorski> this i can find myself :)
<urbis> hmm
<urbis> how to add imap server if it starts with pop3?
<urbis> like pop3.domain.lv
<Kus> TonyGorski, asked in the dev channel
<Kus> TonyGorski, never heard of a guide myself.
<TonyGorski> kus, i think i've read abut it in comments on e site
<samtate> yep there will be one eventually
<urbis> gotwig: wake up, you know everything here :D
<TonyGorski> samtate, how would it differ from whats already on internet?
<samtate> TonyGorski: I think it will specialise specifically in elementary apps. So Vala, granite and bzr stuff
<TonyGorski> samtate, any eta for release?
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<samtate> TonyGorski: I dont know, I'm not working on it :P. It would be really great for me too
<TonyGorski> samtate, oh. i just want to know what to learn >>before<< this, so i am not wasting time
<Kus> TonyGorski, learn GTK toolkit
<TonyGorski> samtate, bu probably some c basics would be required
<samtate> TonyGorski: Well getting to grips with any programming language will help
<TonyGorski> samtate, i ain/t completely noob though
<Kus> TonyGorski, what do you already know?
<samtate> even web based languages such as javascript and php will help you
<TonyGorski> kus, html, css, php, d basics
<TonyGorski> kus, i must check out gtk if u say so
<Kus> TonyGorski, have you writen Object Oriented things in php?
<TonyGorski> kus, no. just basics. i haven't had enough time for this and now i want to start 'for real'
<Kus> TonyGorski, there are vala tutorials
<TonyGorski> kus, but i heard gtk 3 uses css for theming, so thats not bad
<Kus> TonyGorski, http://live.gnome.org/Vala/GTKSample
<TonyGorski> kus, i'll read it.
<gotwig> urbis: I woke up :D
<gotwig> to late
<gotwig> !logs
<urbis> :D
<urbis> do you know what to do with this problem?
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<TonyGorski> kus, when i take control of basics, where should i look for some emh.. training? i mean understanding is far away from making things work
<Kus> TonyGorski, you can try some of the examples and experiment with them
<Kus> try to make an app for example
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<TonyGorski> kus, ok. i'll stick with it for now
<TonyGorski> thanks for help everybody :)
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<AFD> I'm setting up servers with a GUI desktop that people can have FreeNX access to - I'd like to use the elementaryOS "desktop" but couldn't figure out what it is... is it easy enough to install after building the server?
<AFD> I know it's simple enough to give people an ubuntu-desktop or LXDE etc... just thought it would be good to give them eOS instead
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<shnatsel> AFD: well, for Luna components you can install elementary-desktop
<AFD> it's an ubuntu server running 10.04.... Luna's only built for 11.04 right?
<shnatsel> AFD: unfortunately, Jupiter lacks such a package
<shnatsel> AFD: 10.04 is not supported at all.
<AFD> aah ok
<AFD> thanks anyway ;)
<shnatsel> AFD: You can make the desktop looks the same, however
<shnatsel> AFD: but not the apps
<AFD> when we upgrade the server's we'll look in to Luna
<AFD> sure - install Docky and ban desktop files etc...
<shnatsel> AFD: I hope you'll upgrade to 12.04 right away :)
<AFD> :|
<shnatsel> AFD: yes, lock panel
<AFD> 12.04??
<shnatsel> AFD: the LTS
<AFD> I thought they were just building 11.10?!?
<AFD> 12.04 is out??
<shnatsel> AFD: yes, they're just buiding 11.10
<shnatsel> AFD: Ubuntu releases are named Year.Month
<shnatsel> AFD: 10.04 is 2010, April
<AFD> aaah - that suddenly makes a lot more sense :D
<AFD> ok - the boss is sticking with the LTS server distros
<AFD> so no upgrade till 11.10 (?)
<AFD> which is the next LTS server?
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<AFD> is it 11.10 or 12.04?
<shnatsel> AFD: 8.04, 10.04, 12.04 etc are LTS
<AFD> thanks ;)
<shnatsel> AFD: 12.04 is LTS
<AFD> so no upgrade till April
<shnatsel> AFD: coming in less than a year
<AFD> our other servers run CentOS and we're just looking at v.6 now
<shnatsel> AFD: Pantheon should be widely tested and polished by then
<AFD> so we'll be able to run the eOS desktop on 12.04
<shnatsel> AFD: yes (unless an unpredictable disaster happens)
<AFD> looking forward to it :D
<AFD> and Luna's desktop sounds very light and fast - perfect for remote sessions
<shnatsel> AFD: yes, exactly
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<kholerabbi> diesys: what was that?
<diesys> what?
<kholerabbi> you want to come play a game of #wolfgame?
<diesys> no
<kholerabbi> Or really, that's cool. Well see you there :)
<diesys> :)
<diesys> i was thinking..
<diesys> is there any app
<diesys> like the board (gnome)
<diesys> in the elementary suite?
<Kus> diesys, no
<diesys> why?
<diesys> no one had the idea
<diesys> or it's a choise?
<Kus> you can make one..
<diesys> i'm sorry but i'm not able
<diesys> i am at the moment
<diesys> only a designer
<diesys> (not pro)
<diesys> when i'll go to univ i'll learn how to do it
<diesys> by now i can only suggest and create moks
<kholerabbi> what's board?
<diesys> the board is a dashboard by gnome
<diesys> it's on beta i suppose
<diesys> http://v.youku.com/v_show/id_XMjcxMDE3NzA0.html
<diesys> see here
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<diesys> http://www.webcoz.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/02/the-board-gnome-app-450x281.jpg
<Kus> i got the idea
<Kus> have seen that some time ago
<diesys> perfect i found the video: http://vimeo.com/13601332
<diesys> yes me too
<diesys> and at the moment
<diesys> i haven't tryed it
<diesys> but it appears something "against"
<diesys> the entire kde4 plasma
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<gotwig> he
<gotwig> y
<gotwig> the bug is fixed, shnatsel
<gotwig> installation worked
<gotwig> it can boot
<shnatsel> gotwig: w00t!
<shnatsel> gotwig: thanks for testing!
<gotwig> I have it installed on my system
<gotwig> another partation
<gotwig> I have changed a few things only
<gotwig> like LSB
<shnatsel> gotwig: omg. Compiz works?
<gotwig> the gnome-settings-daemon bug is fixed
<gotwig> hm, not realy
<gotwig> compiz is not set as default
<gotwig> it seems
<gotwig> I have not these grid things, that are in ubuntu
<shnatsel> gotwig: that's just a matter of assigning it the right profile
<gotwig> these window things
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<gotwig> by default, I dont have compz
<gotwig> compiz
<gotwig> but I must say that my graphic card can only use vesa
<gotwig> geforce gt 240
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<gotwig> so it cant use compiz
<shnatsel> gotwig: ps -A | grep compiz
<shnatsel> gotwig: ps -A | grep metacity
<gotwig> I see what happens when I install nvidia driver
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<gotwig> I am now not at elementary
<gotwig> I upgraded from liveusb, and I got no problems with gnome-settings-daemon
<gotwig> I rebuilt now
<gotwig> have to retest
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<gotwig> cassidyjames: hey
<gotwig> cassidyjames: installing Luna works now :P
<gotwig> cassidyjames: with booting, etc.
<gotwig> its not realy a problem that the username is ubuntu at the livecd IMHO, etc.
<gotwig> when I installed elementary, I saw not many ubuntu branding
<gotwig> just at tty 3 or sth like that
<gotwig> so only at terminal things
<gotwig> but, like I said, I also modified LSB things
<gotwig> shnatsel: could I PM you?
<shnatsel> gotwig: of course
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<diesys> who likes the new interface of slingshot?
<gotwig> My Mama :-)
<gotwig> german for : mother
<gotwig> diesys: what you mean with new interface?
<samtate> diesys: everyone likes it :D
<diesys> ahah
<diesys> the "popup"
<diesys> mokup
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<dardevelin> hi
<dardevelin> i didn't saw it yet
<dardevelin> can you share the link of the mokup ?
<diesys> i'm searching
<diesys> http://elementaryositdev.files.wordpress.com/2011/07/elementary_desktop_mockup_by_danrabbit-d386yvh.png
<diesys> thanks to the italian blog and Gusions
<dardevelin> download manager is great
<dardevelin> that search thing too bulky
<dardevelin> should be auto height
<dardevelin> displaying only whats there
<Gusions> yw diesys
<Gusions> :)
<diesys> :D
<dardevelin> does any of you have any sources of free ebooks on gtk3 ?
<diesys> daredevelin dimensions i think are right
<diesys> no srry
<diesys> before it's too late
<diesys> and sling will be restylished
<diesys> i have and idea
<dardevelin> or any website does not need exclusively to be an ebook
<shnatsel> dardevelin: demonoid.me?
<dardevelin> diesys, believe me its bulky
<diesys> to mix the board of gnome and the dash, what do you think??
<diesys> daredevelin it's not, let's take a look at synapse
<diesys> the same dims..
<dardevelin> shnatsel, ok i can try that. ( however i need to make sure is only legal content unfortunately my country is monitoring torrents )
<shnatsel> dardevelin: even encrypted transmission?
<dardevelin> shnatsel, they are in need of money so i kind bet that as well
<dardevelin> but i can manage someway
<dardevelin> i'll try find
<dardevelin> i mean i just asked you guys, because you had to learn and maybe got some resources
<diesys> i'm totally ignorant in this things.. é_é
<dardevelin> diesys, me too, yet i want to stop being :D thats why i'm searching info
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<shnatsel> dardevelin: I have a book with a nice kickstart on GTK2
<shnatsel> dardevelin: but that's all
<dardevelin> shnatsel, that will do
<shnatsel> dardevelin: there are cool GNOME Screencasts GTK kickstart also
<dardevelin> shnatsel, is it too different from gtk3 ?
<shnatsel> dardevelin: and there's official reference which is learner's hell
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<shnatsel> dardevelin: no idea, never coded in GTK3
<diesys> daredevelin .. saying "this things" i was say everything reguards programming! O.O
<shnatsel> dardevelin: I'd prefer the screencasts I guess
<Kus> !logs
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<dardevelin> shnatsel, well yeah screencasts sound much better
<dardevelin> compiling ffmpeg now
<shnatsel> dardevelin: they are official and legal and stuff
<dardevelin> when finish will look for all that stuff
<diesys> anyone read my idea?
<dardevelin> diesys, witch one ?
<dardevelin> about mixing the board ?
<diesys> yep
<diesys> board and sling
<diesys> when i can i'll do some mokups
<dardevelin> shnatsel, gtk is somewhat similar to xml isn't it ?
<dardevelin> shnatsel, or i'm too far ?
<shnatsel> dardevelin: no, I guess you're too far
<dardevelin> shnatsel, dam
<shnatsel> dardevelin: GTK didn't have making UIs from XML for a long time because it doesn't work well
<dardevelin> shnatsel, on guis only had exp on VB and a bit of QT using Qss witch is really similar to css
<shnatsel> dardevelin: it works, but doesn't work as well as UI creation from code
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<shnatsel> dardevelin: you need http://vimeo.com/25185245 and on
<g0twig> shnatsel: bad news
<shnatsel> g0twig: wassup?
<g0twig> shnatsel: gnome-settings-daemon has no segfault, but the whole inteface looks still ugly
<g0twig> no elementary theme set as default
<dardevelin> shnatsel, thank you very much ( just waiting for ffmpeg finish
<shnatsel> g0twig: hmmmmm....
<g0twig> shnatsel: should I make a screenshot?
<shnatsel> g0twig: I'll check, thanks
<shnatsel> g0twig: of dconf-editor showing org.gnome.desktop.inteface, please :)
<g0twig> shnatsel: and slingshot gives me segfault
<g0twig> should I make a screenshot?
<shnatsel> g0twig: sounds like the themes are not installed
<g0twig> they are installed
<shnatsel> g0twig: make a screenshot of dconf-editor showing org.gnome.desktop.inteface, please :)
<g0twig> you dont understand me I think :D
<g0twig> the theme of gnome 3 is set
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<g0twig> shnatsel: should I also show the output of gnome-settings-daemon?
<shnatsel> g0twig: if you consider it interesting - yes
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<g0twig> http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/846/screenshotat20110714154.png/
<g0twig> oh, a notification is over the output
<g0twig> should I make a new screenshot?
<ampharos> don't use imageshack
<ampharos> use imgur
<ampharos> or omploader
<g0twig> why
<ampharos> imageshack sucks
<ampharos> it isn't a direct link
<g0twig> shnatsel: you see it?
<shnatsel> use pix.toile-libre.org ;)
<ampharos> ooh, me accent's slipping!
<g0twig> shnatsel: do you see the picture
<shnatsel> fast, stable service with direct links et al
<shnatsel> g0twig: loading it right now
<g0twig> l0l
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<shnatsel> g0twig: adwaita is really so ugly?
<shnatsel> g0twig: or it's the fallback one?
<g0twig> fallback
<g0twig> lol
<g0twig> it wants adwaita, what isnt installed
<shnatsel> hmm sudo updatedb with a huge aufs mount seems to take a lot of time...
<g0twig> ?
<g0twig> so
<g0twig> say me what I should do
<g0twig> I do it. I am at live usb
<g0twig> afk for 5 mins, tell me what I should do
<g0twig> I know how to change the theme, etc. from dconf-editor
<g0twig> but I want that the changes go into eBuild
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<LocalHero> !help
<shnatsel> g0twig: I have all the necessary stuff in Glimpse, thanks :)
<g0twig> back
<g0twig> shnatsel: I mean for eBuild :/
<shnatsel> g0twig: yes, I can debug it with Glimpse
<g0twig> shnatsel: Is there any things, I should do now for you?
<g0twig> shnatsel: so no, is no, Roger, Sir. :)
<shnatsel> g0twig: software center template thingie?
<g0twig> and python-apt template?
<g0twig> I can look what I can do
<shnatsel> yeah, whatever it's called
<shnatsel> you have XP and I don't
<g0twig> there are 2 templates needed
<shnatsel> and I have stuff to package and I have to debug this also
<g0twig> I dont realy like live environments
<g0twig> :P
<g0twig> shnatsel: should I call it elementary Software Center?
<g0twig> or an other name?
<shnatsel> g0twig: call it like that for now and we'll see if we need to change anything later
<g0twig> so just Ubuntu software center?
<shnatsel> g0twig: I'm not the guy responsible for branding guidelines
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<shnatsel> g0twig: call it simply "software center"
<g0twig> like debian does
<g0twig> :P
<g0twig> will you package these things later?
<shnatsel> g0twig: which ones?
<shnatsel> g0twig: ah templates? yes of course
<g0twig> shnatsel: templates, lsb file
<shnatsel> g0twig: packaging takes 10 minutes but thinking out the architecture takes a long time
<g0twig> I know
<g0twig> :D
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<shnatsel> so I never hurry with packaging
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<g0twig> hey
<g0twig> ok, so should we change the section "Provided by Ubuntu"
<g0twig> to something other?
<g0twig> Provided by elementary xD?
<shnatsel> No, I don't think so
<shnatsel> They're provided by Ubuntu indeed
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<Gusions> hey
<davidboy> The provided by part always confused me
<davidboy> Does the user really care about who packaged an app?
<g0twig> We can change the text
<g0twig> to a neutral sentence
<shnatsel> davidboy: they don't care, so software center doesn't show the names of maintainers
<shnatsel> I think "provided by Ubuntu" will work fine in our case
<shnatsel> because, well, they're provided by Ubuntu indeed
<g0twig> isnt a ppa an apt repo, too??
<shnatsel> g0twig: found the source of the bug - I forgot to bzr add!
<g0twig> shnatsel: what?
<g0twig> shnatsel: which bug
<shnatsel> g0twig: defaults
<shnatsel> g0twig: fix uploaded to branch, will build in a few minutes
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<g0twig> shnatsel: :/
<g0twig> shnatsel: there is an option to define the repository type
<g0twig> I dont know if ppa is a type
<g0twig> deb is default
<shnatsel> don't edit it then
<g0twig> but it wants a deb archive
<g0twig> when I dont edit it, software-center will not work properly
<shnatsel> g0twig: what's wrong with deb?
<g0twig> ...
<g0twig> there is the Line BaseURI: and MatchURI
<shnatsel> g0twig: wait, does that mean that we can make "Provided by Ubuntu" and "Provided by elementary" and "Provided by elementary community" sections?
<g0twig> in Ubuntu its example
<g0twig> http://ports.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-ports/
<g0twig> we dont have sth like that
<g0twig> we have a ppa
<g0twig> shnatsel: or give me a link, that looks like that file hierarchy
<shnatsel> g0twig: don't edit this, this looks like main Ubuntu repo
<davidboy> shnatsel: That's kinda what I was really asking;  does anyone care who the app is provided by?
<shnatsel> davidboy: we can't claim that app is provided by us while Ubuntu handles all the bugs etc
<shnatsel> g0twig: about ports: we don't have that yet at all
<shnatsel> g0twig: ports are armel and powerpc
<davidboy> shnatsel: Don't tell who provides the app.  I really don't think that many people want to know
<g0twig> -..-
<g0twig> we need an archive in that structure!
<g0twig> that is what I was going to say
<g0twig> or I have to see, if ppa is a repo type
<shnatsel> davidboy: we need to distinguish legacy apps and elementary apps
<shnatsel> we have to
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<shnatsel> g0twig: are you sure you can't skip it? We have no ports repo
<davidboy> shnatsel: "Warning: this app was not designed for elementary, and might look ugly" << someone elses writing skills
<g0twig> shnatsel: wait till I am finished
<g0twig> or help me :D
<g0twig> a ppa archive is a deb archive, right?
<g0twig> I need the url, for the deb archive
<g0twig> something like that http://ports.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-ports/
<shnatsel> g0twig: we have NO ports repo
<g0twig> ITS NOT ABOUT PORTS
<g0twig> JUST THE STRUCTURE
<g0twig> :/
<g0twig> as example I give an other archive
<g0twig> archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu
<shnatsel> I don't think you should alter that really.
<g0twig> I dont want to change that
<g0twig> I want to add our ppa there as main repo
<shnatsel> g0twig: bad idea
<g0twig> why
<shnatsel> g0twig: because all software from our PPA is pre-installed
<Gusions> g2g
<shnatsel> g0twig: ubuntu repo is the largest, make it the main one and don't alter it (provided by ubuntu)
<g0twig> we can have it still
<shnatsel> g0twig: also see if it's possible to make "provided by elementary community" section
<g0twig> like LinuxMint has it
<shnatsel> g0twig: it makes no sense
<shnatsel> g0twig: if in doubt, ask DanRabbit.
<btkostner> if in doubt, ask a rabbit
<shnatsel> if in doubt, look at slackware and do the opposite.
<davidboy> If still is doubt, just ship synaptic
<g0twig> shnatsel: I love slackware
<shnatsel> g0twig: you're fired
<shnatsel> :D
<davidboy> shnatsel: Wait, he had A JOB?!?!?!?!?!?!!
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<davidboy> You were PAYING HIM???
<shnatsel> that was a joke XD
<davidboy> !11!!!11
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<shnatsel> ugh
<shnatsel> exams in June are evil
<davidboy> amen.
<shnatsel> !memo j/k | gotwig
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<g0twig> I forgot my hat :P
<shnatsel> lol
<g0twig> bye
<g0twig> :D
<shnatsel> that was a joke obviously
<g0twig> just kidding
<g0twig> I know
<g0twig> l0lz
<g0twig> gotta go soon
<g0twig> I think I´ve got it
<g0twig> test it
<g0twig> works!
<g0twig> jeah, damn
<g0twig> shnatsel: should I send you the files over mail?
<g0twig> dont have much time !
<shnatsel> g0twig: pastebin, bzr?
<g0twig> shnatsel: I just mail it you, kay?
<g0twig> the templates
<shnatsel> ok
<g0twig> and the lsb file
<timorei> uhm, does anyone know the line I need for gnome-session-properties to atomatically start the gnome password management service?
<g0twig> sent
<g0twig> I will work more on these things
<g0twig> tomorow
<g0twig> have fun
<g0twig> I go
<g0twig> making my driver license
<g0twig> :P
<g0twig> theorithical hour or whatever
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<Kus> shnatsel,
<Kus> what is gaffel?
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<Kus> Paspartout, do you know what Gaffel is?
<Paspartout> Paspartout; Of course I am the developer :D
<Paspartout> Kus: It's a zenity like app to help shnatsel building his GUI for glimpse
<Kus> Paspartout, hmm
<kalikiana> Gaffel is a big beer brand from Cologne
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<Kus> Paspartout, do i need gtk2 for gaffel?
<Paspartout> Kus: For current trunk yes... Will push a new version in some hours which is also buildable on Jupiter
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<Kus> can't i just use gtk3?
<Kus> without the gtk2?
<Paspartout> Kus: Current trunk uses gtk2 but there will be both GTK2 and GTK3 versions
<Kus> ok
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<h4k> hi guys
<h4k> any of you had  problem with the kernel update???
<timorei> wich one?
<h4k> kernel headers
<timorei> the one a few days ago with the "no keyboard input" ?
<timorei> nope - working fine here
<h4k> the problem is this
<timorei> about the only thing that currently does -.-
<h4k> the Linux entry on grub was deleted
<h4k> then I manually booted
<h4k> And then I run update-grub but it dont detect Linux, only windows
<shnatsel> wow
<shnatsel> thsis
<shnatsel> is weird
<shnatsel> I have no idea what happened
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<eos-site-user9> Hello
<eos-site-user9> shnatsel: are you the developer of elementary OS ???
<ampharos> he's one
<g0twig> rofl
<ampharos> he's the dude who rolls the stuff into packages for installation
<g0twig> I am gotwig, dude, I am the original author of eBuild ;)
<g0twig> and becouse of me Jupiter is not upgradable :X
<thomasberends> upgrades sucks.. ubuntu never pulled that off right for me.
<btkostner> </btkostner's life on irc>
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<LocalHero> g0twig, heh... I like that you broadcast that with pride
<kalikiana> eos-site-user9: „the developer“? you gotta be optimistic to think one person can pull that off alone :-D
<h4k> shnatsel : I fixed it adding a entry for Linux in grub.cfg so now I can boot.... :D
<shnatsel> h4k: congratz :)
<h4k> bb people gtg
<g0twig> LocalHero: It is like it is. :)
<g0twig> LocalHero: But without me I think, In the November would Jupiter be out ;)
<g0twig> I mean, than the project would be at Jupiter, and not at Luna
<g0twig> what ever
<LocalHero> g0twig: Hey, I wouldn't even know where to start a new distro, let alone packaging xD
<g0twig> I fix the bugs :X
<g0twig> LocalHero: we have shnatsel for the packages :D we two work hard together :P
<g0twig> but shnatsel does a lot more than I
<g0twig> he has the most karma, at the elementary project
<g0twig> I have much respect for him :P
<g0twig> I know how hard packaging is, (without recipes) I packaged the nice plymouth elementary theme for Jupiter
<LocalHero> g0twig: sweet.  I love the Jupiter theme.  I'm hoping to do a little bug fixing/reporting myself, even though I've never done it before
<g0twig> LocalHero: ALL contributions are welcome
<g0twig> even if you say, we suck :D
<g0twig> just say why :D
<curtism> wow, resources for writing a tray are sparse
<LocalHero> g0twig: I would never say that! I might say your distro is a broken piece of *, but not that! :D
<LocalHero> I kid, I kid :)
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<Kus> why can't i get granite from the ppa's?
<shnatsel> Kus: you can
<shnatsel> Kus: https://code.launchpad.net/~elementaryart/+archive/unstable-upstream
<g0twig> you are older than me :P
<shnatsel> should work
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<g0twig> shnatsel: should I also add issue and issue.net in elementary Style?
<g0twig> shnatsel: tomorow I maybe wont be online
<shnatsel> g0twig: I don't follow about issues
<g0twig> shnatsel: why?
<shnatsel> I can't understand what your'e saying
<shnatsel> rpbably becaus I ahd an exam today and now I'm a slowpoke
<g0twig> there are the files /etc/issue and /etc/issue.net
<shnatsel> aaah
<g0twig> they are in ubuntu style. I removed the words development branch
<g0twig> and changed ubuntu oneiric to elementary Luna
<g0twig> so we dont have to change the files later
<shnatsel> ah-hah... attach them somewhere and tag the bug "branding"
<g0twig> I added all the files into my bug 742038
<shnatsel> ok I'll have a look
<g0twig> I added elementary.py as a patch, I know it was a mistake
<g0twig> midori lags a bit, on liveusb
<shnatsel> no it's not a mistake
<shnatsel> should be a patch
<g0twig> its not realy a patch
<g0twig> its just a file
<shnatsel> but fixes the issue
<shnatsel> so as good as patch
<g0twig> I added the other attachments as files, that help to fix the bug
<g0twig> you added already the tag branding :P ?
<shnatsel> no
<shnatsel> well
<shnatsel> maybe earlier
<shnatsel> don't remember
<g0twig> maybe we have to change some things later
<g0twig> in elementary.info
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<g0twig> oh, no it was my mistake
<g0twig> we dont have to
<g0twig> software-sources-gtk does that
<g0twig> from ubuntu ppa
<g0twig> you can select / deselect if you want backports, proposed, etc.
<g0twig> not good is maybe that there is the URI: cdrom:\[Ubuntu.*11.10
<g0twig> but our image has an other name
<g0twig> our "cdrom"
<shnatsel> yeah, mark FIXME
<g0twig> shnatsel: the last thing we have to change is the hostname
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<eos-site-user8> back
<eos-site-user8> someone blocked me chatting
<eos-site-user8> :/
<eos-site-user8> duno
<eos-site-user8> we have to change the hostname to elementary
<eos-site-user8> now at liveusb I can see the hostname in /etc/hostname , but the file looks a bit other in chroot environment
<eos-site-user8> the man page sais its ok
<g00twig> ok, gn8
<g00twig> that was a glory day :D
<g00twig> shnatsel: nite
<shnatsel> I got sounmd working in glimpsw!!
<LocalHero> time to go home.  See you guys later!
<ampharos> hahahah
<ampharos> i have a program to blast holes in windows
<ampharos> it's hilarous
<Kus> shnatsel, yeah, nothing for maveric.
<shnatsel> Kus: hmm, what do you mean?
<Kus> shnatsel, typo, no packages for 10.10
<shnatsel> Kus: where?
<Kus> shnatsel, in the ppa
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<shnatsel> Kus: ah, Granite? Use Glimpse.
<eos-site-user1> is the latest daily image from the 22nd of june
<eos-site-user1> ?
<Kus> eos-site-user1, you can build your own image
<shnatsel> eos-site-user1: in community builds - yes.
<eos-site-user1> if I download the one from the 22nd can I update it?
<shnatsel> eos-site-user1: you can build your own image, but it has terrible bugs in Compiz and other stuff
<shnatsel> eos-site-user1: no you can't
<shnatsel> eos-site-user1: it's based on Natty while newer dailies are based on Oneiric
<shnatsel> eos-site-user1: distribution upgrade will probably kill it.
<eos-site-user1> and there are no prebuilt iso's avalable
<shnatsel> eos-site-user1: you can either build an image yourself, or use Glimpse in command-line mode to get the apps on an older system
<eos-site-user1> Where can I get info on building myself
<eos-site-user1> the ppa is notr working too well on oneric so want to test a fresh elementary iso instead
<shnatsel> eos-site-user1: run "bzr branch lp:elementaryos" and read the README file
<eos-site-user1> thanks
<eos-site-user1> cya later
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<Gusions> !logs
<shnatsel> Gusions: sound now working in Glimpse, and apps pick up their old configs from the host!
<shnatsel> Gusions: and the awesome sandboxed writing of course :P
<Gusions> hey
<Gusions> i'm seeing
<Gusions> can i have a screenshot
<Gusions> (i'm waiting the gkt2 verision) to use in my maverick
<Gusions> :D
<shnatsel> Gusions: there's no GUI yet
<shnatsel> Gusions: and I can't give you a screenshot of sound working :)
<shnatsel> Here's a really old one, but very true one:
<Gusions> yes i saw one
<Gusions> 2 days ago :(
<shnatsel> http://pix.toile-libre.org/upload/original/1309611800.png
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<Gusions> mmm the gui of
<Gusions> glimpse
<Gusions> :O
<Gusions> but ok
<Gusions> thanks
<Gusions> what is it graffel?
<Gusions> oo founded i found a screenshot about
<Gusions> a windows for glimpse made by gaffel
<shnatsel> Gaffel is a universal BASH and XML-based GUI tool
<Gusions> i know this
<Gusions> but
<Gusions> you know
<Gusions> this
<shnatsel> Very simple one for things like Glimpse, https://blueprints.launchpad.net/elementaryos/+spec/wine-wrapper
<Gusions> http://imgur.com/Dqnkv
<Gusions> !logs
<shnatsel> ah yes, "a mockup in vala" :)
<shnatsel> ooh, elementary folder icons slightly zoomed in in marlin are sooo crisp and sexy...
<shnatsel> okay, enough for today
<shnatsel> bye
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<kloplop321> btkostner: what have you done? everyone's dead
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<btkostner> :)
<btkostner> I played zombies
<btkostner> ready or not
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<btkostner> I wish to kill you
<btkostner> jk
<btkostner> maybe
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<eos-site-user5> are you supposed to be able to use a daily image of ubuntu to build a daily imagwe if elementary?
<eos-site-user5> if - of
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<noip> does elementary have it's own repositories?
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<nonamer> hi
<noip> hi
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<noip> So I was able to answer my question by finding an answer to an un-related question on the elementary os website. Currently, as I understand it, elementary os uses Ubuntu repositories.
<btkostner> yes
<noip> btkostner, so I take it that folks just add the necessary repositories to download codecs/flash/etc.
<btkostner> yep
<noip> and they work fine.
<noip> As gnome 2.x goes out of support, where will elementary go?
<btkostner> with gnome 3
<btkostner> sorry, gtk3
<btkostner> we have our own desktop environment
<noip> btkostner, oh, i didn't realize that.
<noip> btkostner, the current DE is similar to gnome 2, that's why I assumed....
<noip> Elementary is my kind of OS in so far as it take design and UX seriously. I've checked out the live cd a couple of times, but haven't had time to install it yet. I was going to tonight, but I'll have to wait until tomorrow.
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<codygarver> does anyone know if Marlin still displays left-sidebar bookmarks as selected when you navigate away from that directory in luna? Example: Pictures still highlights when you move to /etc/usr/. I'm thinking about opening a bug
<btkostner> Good nite world
<noip> 'nite
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<codygarver> ammonkey: you did some good work on marlin today, thanks for that
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<radovan> Hello. What happens if I'll upgrade to Ubuntu 11.04 in elementary?
<curtism> jesus kills a kitten
<radovan> lol
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<ammonkey> codygarver: u re welcome :)
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<Kus> shnatsel, hi
<shnatsel> hi Kus
<Kus> shnatsel, about glimpse. how do i need to run ./install-sandbox?
<shnatsel> Kus: as root
<Kus> cause i don't get the home folder in it.
<shnatsel> hmmm
<Kus> shnatsel, wrong question :D
<Kus> samtate, it was installed a few days  ago - do i need to reinstall it?
<Kus> samtate, shnatsel, wrong autocomplete ^
<shnatsel> in thery, no
<shnatsel> theory
<Kus> shnatsel, then whats wrong? i have the latest rev. it creates an empty home folder.
<shnatsel> Kus: could you paste me the output? It should say something about it.
<Kus> oh yeah there is something about a bad fs
<Kus> shnatsel, http://pastebin.com/vYbtVUns
<shnatsel> Kus: ah-hah...
<shnatsel> Kus: please paste the output of dmesg | tail
<shnatsel> I had this error too
<Kus> http://pastebin.com/dpYC44CN
<shnatsel> unsupported filesystem, /home/karlis (ecryptfs)
<shnatsel> looks like it doesn't work with encrypted home directory
<Kus> shnatsel, too bad
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<Kus> !help
<Kus> !report lp:postler | urbis
<Kus> !report postler | urbis
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<shnatsel> Do media keys work in BeatBox for anyone?
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<Skullcrasher> hi
<Skullcrasher> does anyone know which libraries are used in elementary to get http stuff?
<Skullcrasher> need this for an app that communicates with a website cms
<Skullcrasher> ok, looks like i just found it
<shnatsel> Skullcrasher: hmm, gio?
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<Skullcrasher> yep, thatts it ^^
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<Gusions> bug 811023
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<envygeeks> Gusions: can you update the ticket with GTK and Ubuntu base version?
<Gusions> hey
<Gusions> what of 100000 bugs'
<Gusions> ?*
<envygeeks> Sorry, what do you mean?
<Gusions> Gusions: can you update the ticket with GTK and Ubuntu base version?
<Gusions> what ticket?
<envygeeks> https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/811023
<Gusions> ok wll gtk+3.0 and ubuntu 11.04
<Gusions> updated
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<AFD> I know I do this a lot but.... can someone help me with my eOS please :/
<AFD> my network adapters (wired and wireless) keep failing... today my wifi wont connect to the office network and although I can connect via ethernet after 5mins or so it drops off and I have to reboot to find it again
<AFD> I think (because of some tests we are doing in the office) there might be 2 DHCP servers on the LAN... would that make any difference_
<AFD> ?
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<AFD> I'm trying to figure out if it's a hardware/driver/network issue before I throw it out of the window
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<envygeeks> Hola, I was wondering if anybody could give me a fair reason why Elementary OS leaves Ubiquity installed when on disk?
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<AFD> envygeeks I'm not sure tbh
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<AFD> please would someone help me
<envygeeks> AFD: What's your question?
<AFD> envygeeks my network adapters (wired and wireless) keep failing... today my wifi wont connect to the office network and although I can connect via ethernet after 5mins or so it drops off and I have to reboot to find it again
<envygeeks> Are you using the base Elementary install?
<AFD> envygeeks it has rendered the laptop unusable
<AFD> Iḿ using Jupiter yes
<AFD> the network issues have only really arisen today (very mild issues before now)
<envygeeks> apt-get install rsyslog gnome-system-log -> reboot and watch syslog and daemon logs if you can do that for me real quick it will help give me more insight into what is going on with your drivers
<AFD> installing now - thanks for helping :)
<AFD> ah! I can connect to the internet obviously!!
<AFD> rebooting and then installing ;)
<envygeeks> I forgot about that, sorry I'm used to working with my own system and we mirror the entire ubuntu archive
<AFD> ok installed those two... should I do anything special when rebooting_
<AFD> ?
<envygeeks> Nope, just reboot like normal, your logs will kick automatically
<AFD> great
<AFD> envygeeks ok I'm logged in... where do I find the logs
<envygeeks> system > administration > logs
<AFD> ,)
<AFD> ;)
<AFD> looking at the daemon log now
<AFD> ok the wired ethernet has already failed so there should be something in the  log about it
<AFD> device state change: 7 -> 3 (reason 39)
<Kus> RabbitBot is awesome, ... ... NOT!
<AFD> just before that was DHCPDISCOVER on eht1 to 255.255.255.255 port 67 interval 3 (and then again wit interval 8, 12, 13, 15)
<davidboy> Kus: lol
<envygeeks> That's an odd subnet
<AFD> after device state change is "deactivating device (reason: 39)
<envygeeks> What are your network manager settings?
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<AFD> it was static IP config as I think there are two DHCPs running on our office LAN... I'm trying setting it to DHCP ni case that helps
<AFD> oh and when I do "sudo /etc/init.d/networking restart" it says "ignoring unknown interface eth0=eth0"
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<envygeeks> it seems like your network manager might be getting confused normally an IP admin would never set a subnet to 255.255.255.255, you could also try deleting the network manager entries and allowing it to reset itself
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<AFD> how do I delete the settings? (setting it to DHCP didn't help)
<AFD> envygeeks also is this likely to solve just the wired connection... my wifi suddenly doesn't work either
<envygeeks> Open up network-manager (you can type that into cmd and it will open up too) and just delete the auto entries
<envygeeks> you can do the same for your wireless and it will reset that specific connection as well
<AFD> typing "network-manager" in terminal says "command not found"
<shnatsel> AFD: it's OK, it has several CLI frontends and all of them are terrible
<AFD> shnatsel lol
<probono> marlin devs, please give us a working $HOME/Desktop back (with working icons on the desktop)
<AFD> I've gone to system>preferences>network connections
<envygeeks> that works, same place
<AFD> and am deleting all the wired and wireless networks in there
<AFD> ok - all gone and now rebooting see what happens
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<shnatsel> !memo Marlin is NOT going to have that. Use Screenlets, Plasma, Nautilus or Thunar for that kind of stuff. | probono
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<AFD> ok so I can connect to the wired network but not the wifi
<AFD> and wondering how long the wired network will last before it FAILs again :S
<AFD> DHCPDISCOVER still saying 255.255.255.255
<envygeeks> AFD: Contact your IP Admin and ask them what your network settings are and try to default them by manually setting them
<AFD> I'm in my 3rd week here as the sysadmin :(
<AFD> v.small office.... it's up to me to fix
<AFD> just looking at the config on the DHCP server in /etc/dhcp3/dhcpd.conf
<envygeeks> Go to your router, your router will tell you the proper settings
<AFD> I think the DHCP server is confusing the router's wifi stuff
<AFD> I'm just going to turn the DHCP off and see if it is any better after a reboot
<AFD> envygeeks thanks for your help... sorry to bother you with this but my laptop was on the verge of facing my wrath
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<envygeeks> If you youtube it's destruction make sure you enable HTML5 video for it ;) since I don't have flash on my PC
<AFD> envygeeks I do solemly swear
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<AFD> envygeeks right - I'm going to shutdown the DHCP too (where I'm typing from) thanks again... have a good weekend :)
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<reya276> If I have something like this ATTRS{idVendor}=="0502", ATTRS{idProduct}=="3325", ENV{ID_GPHOTO2}="1", ENV{GPHOTO2_DRIVER}="proprietary", ENV{ID_MEDIA_PLAYER}="1", ENV{ID_MTP_DEVICE}="1", MODE="0664", GROUP="audio"   could I add multiple groups to the GROUP="" section
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<noip> Since elementary os uses ubuntu repositories does that mean that the issues I'm experiencing in ubuntu will follow me to elementary? 'Cause I just received some updates a couple of days ago that have really messed up my internet connectivity.
<shnatsel> noip: I'm afraid it will
<noip> A shame, because I love the UI/UX of elementary. I filed a bug report, I hope someone can fix it.
<shnatsel> noip: somebody in here has just sorted out the issues by removing all networkmanager connections
<shnatsel> noip: the netmask is still 255.255.255.255 but the net works somehow
<noip> shnatsel, that's a little above my head. Did someone just uninstall network manager?
<shnatsel> noip: you can ask the bot for !logs and lurk in there if you wish
<noip> !logs
<noip> Hmmm. doesn't seem to fit my problem.
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<noip> shnatsel, any other suggestions/
<shnatsel> look for solutions at askubuntu.com
<shnatsel> there might be some already
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<noip> shnatsel, I found someone else from 1 month ago who has a slightly similar issue. Not sure if it's the same issue or not.
<noip> shnatsel, it's very annoying because many other bugs I can live with, but I can't live with an extremely slow internet connection.
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<shnatsel> noip: hmm, what ubuntu release you're using?
<noip> 11.04
<shnatsel> noip: elementary OS "Jupiter" is based on Maverick, so you probably won't have this bug.
<noip> I hope not.
<noip> I'll go ahead and install it then.
<Kus> shnatsel, can you tell me how to make glimpse chroot to a iso?
<noip> I could see elementary becoming a huge distro.
<Kus> noip, it will!
<shnatsel> Kus: it will mean that we won't be that flexible anymore.
<shnatsel> Kus: and that one danrabbit won't be enough for all apps
<shnatsel> and someday somebody will fork us just like we forked ubuntu
<noip> Kus, yeah, I don't see how it wont. As far as I'm concerned UI, and UX are the most important element of an OS. I can deal with limitations as long as the UI and UX are great.
<noip> shnatsel, nothing wrong with forks. IMO
<shnatsel> it's all right
<shnatsel> it provides choice, etc
<shnatsel> I'd be happy to see Arch-based elementary OS variant, for example
<noip> shnatsel, as would i
<shnatsel> I'm the integrator of ubuntu-based one and I'd be happy to help any way I can
<shnatsel> to such a project
<shnatsel> but nvm
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<noip> Ok, I'm going to install Elementary. cya
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<opt1ckz> Holy hell I slept until 4pm... ahh wtf
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<kheeper> hello where I can download last iso build
<shnatsel> kheeper: you can't
<shnatsel> kheeper: you can only build one yourself
<kheeper> shnatsel: how?
<shnatsel> kheeper: I'm working on a better solution than ISO testing atm
<shnatsel> kheeper: run "bzr branch lp:elementaryos" and read the README in the folder you get
<shnatsel> kheeper: that should solve all your questions
<kheeper> ok any GNOME 3: Fewer Interruptions
<kheeper> By GNOMEDesktop
<shnatsel> kheeper: if it doesn't, ask me
<kheeper> shnatsel: ok
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<kheeper> shnatsel: it's only for testing or even for developing?
<shnatsel> kheeper: what do you mean?
<shnatsel> kheeper: we use this script ourselves to build the ISO images we dirstibute
<kheeper> ou I get it
<shnatsel> but I'm working on a better solution than ISO testing
<ammonkey> !logs
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<noip> I just installed elementary. I have an issue. My multi-touch pad mouse isn't working correctly. The right click doesn't work. Usually in Ubuntu I use a double tap as a right mouse click. Unfortunately it doesn't work, nor does just hitting my right mouse button.
<shnatsel> noip: try installing some "synaptics" packages
<shnatsel> noip: synaptics-dkms
<shnatsel> noip: for example
<shnatsel> noip: and reboot
<shnatsel> and we have two-finger scrolling by default
<noip> k, thanks
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<noip> shnatsel, what is synaptics-dkms? I put that in synaptic package manager and nothing came up.
<kheeper> shnatsel: BTW ...  Main team are joing to this project officialy
<shnatsel> noip: ok, there was some xinput dkms module too
<shnatsel> kheeper: which project?
<kheeper> shnatsel: elementary
<noip> shnatsel, xinput is Runtime configuration and test of XInput devices
<shnatsel> noip: xinput-synaptics or something like that
<shnatsel> noip: just search for synaptics
<shnatsel> noip: in the real search, not the quick one
<shnatsel> kheeper: "Main team are joing to this project officialy" - I don't follow
<noip> shnatsel, you mean: Synaptics TouchPad driver for X.Org server (development headers)?
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<shnatsel> noip: hmm, not development headers... there should be the same package without -dev
<noip> shnatsel, Synaptics TouchPad driver for X.Org server
<noip> shnatsel, It's already installed.
<shnatsel> xserver-xorg-input-synaptics
<shnatsel> hmmm
<shnatsel> noip: there was a bug about it... and a question...
<shnatsel> let me have a look
<kheeper> shnatsel: I just speaking with my best programmer what how I told you dring so much coffee and he sad "I love it" and I spoke with Daniel and we are associating to elementary team
<noip> shnatsel, it's interesting how the nice spacing between the icons in the right hand corner is ruined by the fact that my x-chat icon shows up right next to the network icon.
<shnatsel> kheeper: yay!!
<shnatsel> kheeper: that's awesome!!
<kheeper> shnatsel: Daniel sad the same :)
<noip> shnatsel, Also, the two-finger scrolling option is greyed out
<kheeper> shnatsel: that why I ask you for the ISO because he sitting right next to me and he wanna know more and see more
<shnatsel> kheeper: well, this way you can build an ISO
<shnatsel> kheeper: but to test the apps there's a better way
<shnatsel> !lp glimpse | kheeper
<shnatsel> It has no GUI yet but it works fine already
<kheeper> shnatsel: ok I give it to him he already reading something
<noip> shnatsel, the good news is that the internet connetivity issues I had in ubuntu 11.04 are gone.
<shnatsel> kheeper: however, lots of apps in Luna are not working and some apps will look completely different, e.g. Slingshot
<shnatsel> kheeper: Jupiter is a good thing to show off the stable and working stuff, but we have so much more than that for Luna!
<noip> shnatsel, any ideas on this mouse issue? deal breaker for me unfortunately, 'cause I can't right click on anything.
<noip> I'm looking forward to Luna.
<shnatsel> noip: let me see...
<kheeper> shnatsel: ok will se how get in
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<shnatsel> kheeper: for Luna builds use lp:elementaryos
<kheeper> shnatsel: ok np
<kheeper> shnatsel: I'm creating the ISO then I will try glimpse and look around
<shnatsel> kheeper: be sure to use Oneiric daily build as base
<shnatsel> noip: bug 750534
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<kheeper> shnatsel: Ou G late I already run with Natty
<shnatsel> kheeper: interrupt it, sudo rm -r the "temp" directory and start over with Oneiric daily build
<noip> I don't see that package anywhere in synaptic: "xf86-input-synaptics"
<shnatsel> kheeper: or "uck-remaster-clean-all temp" instead of rm
<shnatsel> noip: neither do I
<Gusions> hola
<shnatsel> hi Gusions
<kheeper> shnatsel: NP
<Gusions> hi shnatsel how are you?
<shnatsel> Gusions: nice, hacking Glimpse-Gaffel integration
<shnatsel> Gusions: wrote a BASH parser for .desktop entries with localization support
<shnatsel> Gusions: supporting freedesktop way of localization took 26 lines, supporting ubuntu one took just 2
<Gusions> wooo fantastic
<Gusions> :O
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<timorei> i love the #1 elementary os bug  - always makes me smile an evil smile
<noip> shnatsel, I'm sad.
<shnatsel> noip: yeah, me too :(
<Gusions> have you see novabyte?
<shnatsel> noip: try installing "xorg" package
<shnatsel> Gusions: nope
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<Gusions> avi want to talk with him
<shnatsel> noip: it's a dummy package that might pull in something useful
<shnatsel> Gusions: yeah, I know :)
<kheeper> shnatsel: 20min to download the Oneiric
<Gusions> :)
<shnatsel> kheeper: Glimpse will also need it
<shnatsel> kheeper: I haven't written a prompt to use a local one yet
<shnatsel> kheeper: to make it available to Glimpse, you'll have to put it to ~/.glimpse for now
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<noip> shnatsel, ok.
<shnatsel> Gusions: pushed the .desktop parser to lp:~shnatsel/gaffel/gaffel-based-menu
<noip> shnatsel, thanks btw. If I can make this work, i'll be stoked.
<noip> shnatsel, should I now search for another package?
<noip> shnatsel, I installed xorg
<shnatsel> noip: did it install any additional packages?
<shnatsel> noip: try rebooting now
<noip> yeah a bunch of packages
<noip> shnatsel, I'll reboot
<Gusions> yes
<Gusions> i wake up the netbook
<Gusions> just a minute
<shnatsel> Gusions: it needs gaffel compiled and installed, though
<shnatsel> Gusions: I don't have one atm :)
<Gusions> in the netbook
<shnatsel> Gusions: so this thing was never tested
<Gusions> i have all
<Gusions> :D
<shnatsel> Gusions: but should work in theory
<Gusions> i'm here for this
<Gusions> :D
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<shnatsel> Hi, pinguy!
<pinguy> hi
<shnatsel> I think this one might be interesting for you:
<shnatsel> !lp glimpse | pinguy
<shnatsel> pinguy: it already works fine, I just have to add GUI
<pinguy> so you install the distro onto a working system?
<pinguy> and that lets you view it live a VM
<pinguy> but its running natively
<shnatsel> pinguy: I don't use any virtualization at all
<pinguy> I know
<shnatsel> pinguy: basically I launch a different system around the same kernel
<shnatsel> pinguy: this thing is based on chroot
<pinguy> how do you launch it ?
<shnatsel> pinguy: but very polished chroot
<pinguy> what I mean is
<shnatsel> pinguy: download it and launch install-sandbox.sh, after that launch-app.sh
<pinguy> can you do it inside a running system
<pinguy> ah ok
<shnatsel> pinguy: yes, that's the point - you run a different environment on your main system
<shnatsel> pinguy: what's more, all the home directory is a available from the sandbox
<shnatsel> pinguy: so apps pick up their settings from stable versions etc
<pinguy> ok
<pinguy> I normally use VB
<shnatsel> pinguy: but when they write there from sandbox, all the modifications are specific for this sandbox
<pinguy> but this wil be much better
<pinguy> *will
<pinguy> have you got hold of andrew from webupd8?
<pinguy> I bet he would love to do a post on it
<shnatsel> pinguy: we're not having a press release yet :)
<shnatsel> pinguy: I just have to add GUI
<pinguy> ah ok
<shnatsel> pinguy: then we will :)
<pinguy> on the shhh :)
<shnatsel> pinguy: so, for apps inside the sandbox the files are modified and for apps outside the sandbox they're intact
<pinguy> ok
<pinguy> I have booked marked it
<envygeeks> What makes it better than our hardware hypervisors?
<shnatsel> pinguy: this opens crazy opportunities for alpha testing
<pinguy> its Friday and I am on my 4th beer :)
<pinguy> so will have a proper look at it tomorrow
<shnatsel> pinguy: hope you like it, I'd love to hear some feedback from you
<shnatsel> envygeeks: yes!
<pinguy> I will have a good dig around it
<pinguy> I will give you my honest view of
<pinguy> but from what you have said
<pinguy> this could be pretty awesome
<shnatsel> This is a rather simple thing nobody ever did before. And it opens CRAZY opportunities.
<pinguy> I think I heard about something like this for Ubuntu
<pinguy> but it never took off
<shnatsel> pinguy: tip: to run Pantheon Shell, run "cerbere" in terminal
<pinguy> but I could be wrong
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<pinguy> I am a bit shocked at how many people want a netbook edition of linux thats more like a desktop system
<pinguy> I have had a huge amount of downloads
<mrmcq2u> Should i be able to build the daily of elementary os with a daily iso of ubuntu 64bit?
<pinguy> way more then I ever thought I would have
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<shnatsel> mrmcq2u: in theory, yes
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<shnatsel> mrmcq2u: you need the host to be 64bit too
<shnatsel> mrmcq2u: and there were reports about strange bugs with squashfs image not found in latest dailies, but I can't confirm them
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<mrmcq2u> Yeah, elementaryos takes ages to load from usb image and when it does it fails to populate the menu.
<shnatsel> mrmcq2u: there's a bug in Slingshot that makes it crash when the icon theme set in dconf is not present
<pinguy> I hate dconf
<shnatsel> mrmcq2u: but nobody cares because Slingshot will be completely rewritten and redesigned anyway
<shnatsel> pinguy: I love it, it's so much better than gconf!
<pinguy> 10.10 was a bit of a nightmare because of dconf
<shnatsel> pinguy: and it's extremely fast
<shnatsel> pinguy: 10.10 has no dconf
<shnatsel> pinguy: I've checked
<pinguy> oh yes it has
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<shnatsel> pinguy: but it's not exposed to GSettings API at least
<pinguy> I had to redo a lot of my settings going for 10.04 to 10.10 because of dconf
<shnatsel> pinguy: O.o
<shnatsel> pinguy: All Jupiter settings are in gconf
<shnatsel> 100%
<shnatsel> Oneiric uses dconf finally
<shnatsel> not sure about natty
<shnatsel> pinguy: and dconf is extremely fast, the most read-optimized thing available
<shnatsel> pinguy: which is a good idea because when you have 100 reads on login and just a few writes, it makes sense
<pinguy> http://img27.imageshack.us/img27/990/preferences020.png
<pinguy> that was a life saver
<shnatsel> pinguy: hmm... that's how it works!
<shnatsel> pinguy: they made dconf a gconf backend
<shnatsel> pinguy: really good idea
<pinguy> I am telling you now many of my custom settings for 10.04 did not work in 10.10 because of dconf
<shnatsel> pinguy: thanks for the info!
<pinguy> they had to be redo for dconf
<shnatsel> pinguy: weird. How did you set them?
<shnatsel> pinguy: /usr/share/gconf/defaults workes on both Lucid and Maverick for sure
<pinguy> compiz setting that where done for GConf will not work on a system using dconf
<pinguy> I know
<shnatsel> pinguy: wait, compiz still has gconf settings backend, they're migrating it to gsettings in Oneiric
<pinguy> it took me hours redoing the work
<shnatsel> pinguy: hmm... export/import profiles and config dump didn't work?
<pinguy> never tried
<pinguy> I just re-used the old settings from 10.04 on 10.10
<pinguy> and it didn't work
<shnatsel> compiz can expot or impot its settings in CCSM, and gcontool can dump and import gconf trees
<pinguy> So had to resetup the profile
<shnatsel> wow
<shnatsel> weird
<AbrahamLinksys> shnatsel, you a domovoi of your own domain?
<pinguy> going from 10.10 to 11.04 wasn't to bad
<pinguy> just had to make a custom GDM login
<pinguy> so I could get rid of unity
<shnatsel> AbrahamLinksys: not quite
<pinguy> but all the profile settings worked fine
<pinguy> I didn't have to redo any of them
<pinguy> just re-used the old settings
<shnatsel> you migrated in maverick already, lucky you
<pinguy> shnatsel, google my name
<pinguy> I am using 11,04
<pinguy> I was the first remix of 11.04 to be released
<pinguy> weeks before Mint
<shnatsel> wow
<shnatsel> cool
<pinguy> I was also the first to release a version of 11.04 with a downgraded Compiz
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<pinguy> have a read of this
<pinguy> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-panel/+bug/767095/comments/148
<pinguy> its a pretty good read
<pinguy> I had already released my version before that was posted
<mrmcq2u> So why would there be an issue with elementaryos and dconf on a live image. Its a fresh build?
<pinguy> mrmcq2u, I can't see why there should be
<noip> shnatsel, I rebooted my laptop. Still, the right mouse button doesn't work.
<pinguy> if you are going from 10.10 to 11.04
<shnatsel> mrmcq2u: I refactored the defaults package and forgot to bzr add, that's why
<shnatsel> mrmcq2u: should be fixed since yesterday
<shnatsel> noip: ugh :(
<noip> Yeah, tell me about it.
<mrmcq2u> Well i built a fresh image using your tools and a 64bit daily of oneric.
<noip> I'm bumbed
<mrmcq2u> Oh, cool
<pinguy> have eOS got a distro builder yet?
<mrmcq2u> Thx for the tip
<shnatsel> mrmcq2u: and still no menu and no themes by default?
<mrmcq2u> Well tried last night
<shnatsel> should be fixed now
<noip> shnatsel, well, maybe when luna comes out the problem will be solved.
<shnatsel> but I've not tested tbh
<shnatsel> noip: yeah, let's hope so
<mrmcq2u> Had work in a few hours so when it didnt work i just left it till today
<shnatsel> noip: should be solved in NAtty and up actually
<noip> In Natty my mouse works fine.
<noip> But in Natty my internet connectivity is slowwww.
<shnatsel> noip: yeah, they've finished the touchpad/multitouch stack in there
<noip> It's a shame, because Natty was fine up until yesterday.
<shnatsel> noip: not for me :(
<noip> Now I'm seriously considering OpenSuse KDE.
<noip> I wonder if Linux Mint Debian Edition would have these probelms.
<shnatsel> probably not.
<shnatsel> Gusions: any news? Does the script work?
<Gusions> no it said error url
<shnatsel> ?
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<shnatsel> Gusions: what's the error?
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<Gusions> gusions@gusions-netbook:~/gaffel-based-menu$ sh read_desktop_files.sh
<Gusions> Errore nel mostrare l'URL: La posizione specificata non è supportata
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<shnatsel> Gusions: and Gaffel doesn't show up at all?
<Gusions> no :/
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<kheeper> shnatsel: what is the other option to clean the temp
<noip> shnatsel, thanks for your help. I'm definitely going to install Luna when it releases. I wish there was something I could do for the elementary project. I'm not a developer.
<shnatsel> kheeper: sudo uck-remaster-clean-all temp
<shnatsel> noip: you can!
<shnatsel> noip: report bugs, for example
<shnatsel> noip: http://elementaryos.org/get-involved
<pinguy> I am still using remastersys to build the distro
<pinguy> tried a few programs
<pinguy> but end up all ways going back to that
<shnatsel> pinguy: we've discussed it already I think... and you know that I prefer UCK :)
<noip> shnatsel, What I'm experience isn't a bug. It's just a lack of support for a particular synaptic touch pad.
<pinguy> I just like the fact it makes a copy of the working system you worked on
<shnatsel> noip: it's a bug because Ubuntu Maverick supported it (right?) and Jupiter doesn't
<pinguy> so you know if the system you are using is working
<pinguy> then the backup/distro will too
<shnatsel> pinguy: but it makes SRUs much more difficult and leaves the system in pretty unmaintainable state
<pinguy> because at the end of the day that is what remastersys does
<shnatsel> pinguy: custom configs or files get overwrited on package upgrades etc
<pinguy> makes a backup of your system
<envygeeks> it depends, it could have been a deprecation and finally a removal.  You can't support legacy hardware forever.
<noip> shnatsel, I haven't run ubuntu maverick on this laptop. Only Natty. Works fine in Natty.
<pinguy> shnatsel, you do know about 90% of the remixes out there use remastersys-
<envygeeks> noip: port the source package to a ppa for jupiter (10.04) using https://launchpad.net
<shnatsel> pinguy: we have Jupiter built pretty much the "remastersys way" and it's almost unmaintainable, we can't push fixes for bugs
<pinguy> ???
<pinguy> really
<shnatsel> pinguy: I know it and sincerely hate it
<pinguy> that really doesn't make much seance
<shnatsel> pinguy: it did not use remastersys, it used an in-house implementation of OS remaster, but the outcome is pretty much the same
<pinguy> bodhi push out E17 updates all the time
<pinguy> and I was the one that showed them how to build the distro
<pinguy> they even push kernel updates
<shnatsel> pinguy: yes, they still can push updates to packages of course
<pinguy> I have had a public release since 10.04
<pinguy> I am now on 11.04
<pinguy> and had no problems with updates
<pinguy> or pushing fixes
<pinguy> I don't have my own repo
<noip> envygeeks, sorry, that's a bit out of my league. Wouldn't mind trying it, if I knew how though. The problem I'm having is with my synaptic touch pad right mouse button and mult-touch not working.
<pinguy> but I put packages in one that is used
<AbrahamLinksys> elementary OS
<AbrahamLinksys> Origin: Canada
<shnatsel> custom configs or files get overwritten unless you dpkg --divert them
<AbrahamLinksys> aw shit
<AbrahamLinksys> dan moved to canada
<shnatsel> AbrahamLinksys: not California anymore?
<pinguy> shnatsel, thats going to be the same problem anyway you make the distro
<shnatsel> pinguy: hmm, yes, indeed
<envygeeks> noip: you'll probably never get native multi-touch in Jupiter because most of the multi-touch in 11.04 is designed into the system, not into the synaptics driver, there has to be package support for it not just driver support.
<pinguy> but with remastersys at least you can lock some packages you don't want updated
<shnatsel> pinguy: what annoyed me so much about remastesys back in Karmic?...
<pinguy> what?
<shnatsel> I don't remember
<pinguy> lol
<shnatsel> Well, in Karmic it didn't make bootable images at all
<shnatsel> but in Lucid?
<shnatsel> I tried it in Lucid too
<envygeeks> The fact that it's an archaic way to build your own image?
<shnatsel> envygeeks: yes, including that
<pinguy> its worked for me for years
<pinguy> http://ericlinux.blogspot.com/2007/12/ubuntu-pcb-edition.html
<envygeeks> have any of ya'll got that Kernel update pushed to you yet?
<pinguy> http://www.ubuntips.com.ar/2007/12/10/ubuntu-pcb-edition/
<pinguy> My first version was "ubuntu PCB edition"
<pinguy> But after I released that
<pinguy> I did in house testing
<pinguy> and improving the distro on friends and family
<shnatsel> Aww, GIMPshop ^^
<pinguy> for a couple of years
<noip> envygeeks, what do you mean by "package" support? Do you mean that every package in 11.04 has to support multi-touch in order for it to work?
<pinguy> then re-released it as Pinguy OS
<pinguy> PCB means Pinguy Custom Build
<envygeeks> noip: no I mean unity has most of the multi-touch support and adds a lot of the multi-touch support into other applications that don't natively have it, yes the driver brings it but Unity "makes it happen"
<shnatsel> pinguy: I've been planning to do the same but I ran out of complains in Maverick
<kheeper> shnatsel: I tried all I know http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/645078/
<kheeper> shnatsel: any ide why
<shnatsel> kheeper: only a reboot can save you now
<envygeeks> noip: that's actually one of the problems we had with our 11.04 installs on our network, I refused to auth an upgrade to 11.04 and forced a custom ElementaryOS build because 11.04 relies on multi-touch libs that we don't want on our systems
<shnatsel> kheeper: I forgot that the uck thing should be run BEFORE rm
<kheeper> shnatsel: not happy at all but what ever
<kheeper> shnatsel: :) see you soon
<noip> envygeeks, The trouble I'm having is that tapping with two fingers doesn't work as a right mouse click (like in 11.04/Pinguy/Mint/etc), and my right mouse click doesn't work, and under the mouse configuration the option for two finger scrolling is greyed out.
<pinguy> shnatsel, http://www.geekconnection.org/remastersys/info.html
<envygeeks> noip: have you configured the touchpad using your preferences panel?
<pinguy> have another look at remastersys
<pinguy> that is a full how to
<pinguy> it even show you how to use wubi
<noip> envygeeks, in Natty an update caused my internet to run really slow in all browsers. Just happened yesterday, and I can't live with it. It takes 15 seconds to pull up web pages in Ubuntu now.
<noip> envygeeks, Yeah, that's what my last post was about. The configuration options wont allow me to choose two-finger scrolling. But that's just one of the problems. The other is that I can't get a right mouse click with my touchpad.
<pinguy> http://img146.imageshack.us/img146/5649/workspace1037.png
<pinguy> I do kinda know what I am talking about
<shnatsel> hmm, more hits than debian is kinda impressive
<envygeeks> !synaptictouchpad > noip
<envygeeks> blah no bot?
<envygeeks> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SynapticsTouchpad
<envygeeks> try that
<noip> envygeeks, do you happen to know if OpenSuse supports multitouch. (I'm afraid to run any ubuntu based distros because of the internet issue. I guess it was an update  that caused the problem.)
<shnatsel> noip: UTouch is developed in Canonical
<envygeeks> noip: no I do not, I am far from an RPM fan as I've been working with Debian since almost it's inception
<shnatsel> noip: not sure how fully OpenSuse does support those
<pinguy> Sorry I missed that
<pinguy> http://forum.pinguyos.com/Thread-enable-multitouch-support-for-clickpad-on-pinguy-os-10-10--448
<pinguy> that will fix MultiTouch
<pinguy> http://bigbrovar.aoizora.org/index.php/2011/01/12/enable-multitouch-support-for-clickpad-on-ubuntu-10-10/
<pinguy> direct link
<mrmcq2u> Whats the launchpad address for the build script again?
<shnatsel> mrmcq2u: lp:elementaryos
<pinguy> who made the bot?
<pinguy> its pretty awesome
<pinguy> I have one
<pinguy> but it wasn't made
<shnatsel> pinguy: it's Marin_M
<pinguy> by use
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<shnatsel> pinguy: the code it at lp:rabbitbot
<noip> envygeeks, your link to that ubuntu page sent me to a bug report which sent me to a sypatic package that doesn't exist. synaptics-dkms
<kheeper> shnatsel: I'm back
<shnatsel> kheeper: any luck with dir removal after the reboot?
<pinguy> thanks shnatsel
<envygeeks> noip: that link should have given you information on configuration, a bug that existed 2 years ago should not have regressed now, if it has you need to report that in the bug
<shnatsel> noip: synaptics-dkms package is attached in that bug report
<kheeper> just log in to system I'm not removing the temp to make sure nothing stay there and then I will try again
<kheeper> *now
<pinguy> noip, http://bigbrovar.aoizora.org/index.php/2011/01/12/enable-multitouch-support-for-clickpad-on-ubuntu-10-10/
<pinguy> try that
<pinguy> I have had many reports of that working
<kheeper> shnatsel: I have 1:15 AM
<noip> envygeeks, no offense but I've already told you twice that I've tried to configure it and the options I need aren't available.
<shnatsel> kheeper: I have 03:15 AM
<pinguy> noip, http://bigbrovar.aoizora.org/index.php/2011/01/12/enable-multitouch-support-for-clickpad-on-ubuntu-10-10/
<pinguy> try that
<kheeper> shnatsel: also no bad
<mrmcq2u> Snd that build script should definatly work with oneric and not hust natty right?
<kheeper> shnatsel: thank's god I don't go to work
<shnatsel> noip: solution, MUST work: install this package and reboot: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/308191/+attachment/1765202/+files/synaptics-dkms_1.1.0_all.deb
<pinguy> http://bigbrovar.aoizora.org/index.php/2011/01/12/enable-multitouch-support-for-clickpad-on-ubuntu-10-10/
<pinguy> That link works
<shnatsel> mrmcq2u: yes, I'm pretty sure I migrated everything to Oneiric
<shnatsel> well, most of stuff at least
<envygeeks> I guess there was a regression, has anybody even reported that regression?
<noip> shnatsel, thanks.
<noip> pinguy, thanks
<pinguy> no problem
<shnatsel> noip: np, that's actually pinguy's fix prettified
<mrmcq2u> Well just did a bzr pull lp:elementoryos and it said there were no revisions to pull
<noip> shnatsel, Yeah, I noticed
<shnatsel> mrmcq2u: elementAryos
<shnatsel> mrmcq2u: lp:elementaryos
<noip> shnatsel, I guess I have to restart.
<shnatsel> noip: ok
<pinguy> logout might do it
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<pinguy> but better off rebooting
<pinguy> oh to late
<shnatsel> pinguy: in theory, dkms is picked up right away
<shnatsel> dkms modules
<shnatsel> AFAIK
<pinguy> I am only going by my users
<mrmcq2u> Yup thats what i typed on ny pc, using irc on android atm.
<pinguy> many of they had this problem
<pinguy> this was posted as a fix
<pinguy> and sorted all of them out
<shnatsel> pinguy: at this rate you're gonna have a good portion of desktop market soon :)
<kheeper> shnatsel: well lets see how it's go now
<pinguy> I had my 1 year Pinguy OS b-day on the 10th
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<pinguy> not bad going for a distro that is just a year old
<pinguy> noip, working?
<noip> pinguy, yes!!!
<pinguy> awesome :)
<noip> shnatsel, thanks. envygeeks, Thanks!
<shnatsel> pinguy: looks like you're gonna get a special thanks that's a long type and a b-day cake :)
<pinguy> :)
<AbrahamLinksys> http://i.imgur.com/fAKzm.jpg
<pinguy> I still can't get over you haven't got a forum
<pinguy> I have gotten so many fixes posted there
<pinguy> its unreal
<pinguy> its got to the stage now where users look after users
<noip> pinguy, I assume you're not "The" pinguy.
<kheeper> shnatsel: dam it still the same
<pinguy> and I am learning things from them now
<shnatsel> kheeper: wow
<pinguy> noip, I am "The" Pinguy
<shnatsel> kheeper: move the scripts to some other folder and don't take the temp with you :)
<kheeper> shnatsel: give me minute I will try something
<noip> Right on. Love your distro too. Great job.
<kheeper> shnatsel: already tried that
<shnatsel> and?
<kheeper> shnatsel: same
<shnatsel> wtf
<kheeper> shnatsel: tell me about it anyway I will try some thing
<shnatsel> I knew those legacy scripts are hackish, but that always worked for me...
<shnatsel> kheeper: sudo rm -r temp
<noip> So, one more question. How can I prohibit open progams from showing up in the panel. I like how they show up in the dock, but not the panel.
<shnatsel> kheeper: sudo uck-remaster-clean temp
<AbrahamLinksys> too specific
<shnatsel> kheeper: sudo umount /dir/with/issues
<pinguy> have a read though of this http://www.geekconnection.org/remastersys/info.html
<shnatsel> kheeper: reboot + sudo rm -r fixed that for me when I had it
<pinguy> I know its for remastersys but it doesn't matter
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<kheeper> shnatsel: lets see
<pinguy> What are you guys tryign to do?
<pinguy> make a distro based on 11.04?
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<pinguy> if you are
<pinguy> I would forget about it
<pinguy> its to old now
<pinguy> you should be working on 11.10
<pinguy> unless you plan to stay a version behind all the time
<pinguy> I am just being honest here
<pinguy> people won't use a 6 month old distro if something that they are after is already out
<kheeper> shnatsel: hm I may have better idea
<pinguy> you are building apps to run on 11.10
<shnatsel> pinguy: we're using 11.10 as base
<pinguy> why not do the distro as well
<pinguy> ahh ok
<pinguy> sorry
<pinguy> I thought you was building onto 11.04
<noip> So, one more question. How can I prohibit open progams from showing up in the panel. I like how they show up in the dock, but not the panel.
<shnatsel> pinguy: we dropped Natty almost a month ago
<pinguy> shnatsel, ok
<shnatsel> kheeper: reboot + sudo rm -r fixed that for me
<shnatsel> kheeper: no, it was the UCK thing...
<shnatsel> not rm
<pinguy> noip, do they also show in the panel? I have only used it in VB but I can't remember programs showing in the panel
<shnatsel> grr
<pinguy> if they are
<pinguy> just delete it from the panel
<shnatsel> in Jupiter they should not
<pinguy> right click on it and remove
<shnatsel> Panel is locked down in Jupiter
<pinguy> oh forgot
<shnatsel> to unlock it, you'll have to flip a key in gconf
<pinguy> install ubuntu tweak
<noip> x-chat is showing up in the panel right now. It's annoying and looks ugly. ;-)
<pinguy> using that it is dead easy to unlock the panel
<noip> Pinguy - x-chat is showing up in the panel right now. It's annoying and looks ugly. ;-)
<shnatsel> noip: ah, you mean THAT
<shnatsel> http://elementaryos.org/docs/user-guide/customizing/panel
<shnatsel> noip: unlock the panel and remove it from the panel
<noip> Thanks!
<pinguy> I wish I had you lot of documentation
<pinguy> That is something I am really missing
<pinguy> *for
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<pinguy> cheers :)
<pinguy> how many people work on eOS nowadays?
<pinguy> I still only have one
<pinguy> me
<shnatsel> pinguy: http://elementaryos.org/team + contributors
<pinguy> Well its only me that works on the distro
<pinguy> I don't do the apps
<kheeper> shnatsel: can be problem crypted home?
<shnatsel> kheeper: yes
<pinguy> not as large as I tought
<pinguy> *thought
<kheeper> shnatsel: :)
<pinguy> kheeper, yes
<pinguy> because once you do it
<kheeper> shnatsel: I know it
<pinguy> its hard to use it on a different install
<shnatsel> kheeper: crypted home can have unpredictable consequences
<pinguy> I only crypted USBs
<shnatsel> kheeper: it's know to not work with AuFS
<noip> Ahhh...what a great system. Now I just have to install all of my favorite packages. If I was smart I would make a script to do it.
<pinguy> just incase I loose them
<pinguy> noip, what are you missing?
<kheeper> I know I had problem with apache so I tried something and see it's the problem
<AbrahamLinksys> BFS as new elementary filesystem!
<AbrahamLinksys> why did they kill the BeOS
<AbrahamLinksys> bastards >:(
<pinguy> noip, install Y PPA Manager
<shnatsel> AbrahamLinksys: because it's proprietary
<pinguy> that will find you repos for the apps you want
<pinguy> AbrahamLinksys, BFS is a kernel
<pinguy> not a file system
<shnatsel> kheeper: you can make a new user with non crypted home
<kheeper> shnatsel: my harddisk have a hard time :D
<kheeper> shnatsel: I create a dir in non-crypted pattion
<kheeper> shnatsel: should be ok now
<noip> pinguy, I can't find that package in Ubuntu software center or synaptic.
<pinguy> AbrahamLinksys, http://forum.pinguyos.com/Thread-the-200-line-linux-kernel-patch-that-does-wonders--190?pid=2758#pid2758
<shnatsel> kheeper: fine!
<shnatsel> kheeper: it's a pity that AuFS mount of home folder won't work for you in Glimpse
<pinguy> noip, https://launchpad.net/y-ppa-manager
<pinguy> noip,
<pinguy> sudo add-apt-repository ppa:webupd8team/y-ppa-manager
<pinguy> sudo apt-get update
<pinguy> sudo apt-get install y-ppa-manager
<shnatsel> It's almost 4AM in here
<shnatsel> I'll go try to get some sleep
<pinguy> 1am here
<kheeper> shnatsel: well I have 6 pattions so one of then gonna be for eOS
<shnatsel> kheeper: are you sure you want to install an alpha?
<shnatsel> kheeper: glimpse might be a better solution
<kheeper> shnatsel: no I mean for builind iso
<kheeper> abd also for glimpse
<shnatsel> ah, I see :)
<kheeper> shnatsel: I just talking about space
<shnatsel> kheeper: I have 1Tb hard disk now, so I don't care about space anymore :)
<shnatsel> I have 200+ Gb trash
<pinguy> I have a 32GB SSD
<kheeper> some of the parttion I have crypted bacuse of work and some other stuff
<pinguy> that has my OS on
<noip> pinguy, thanks. appreciate it.
<shnatsel> now, rly gtg
<shnatsel> kheeper: good luck
<pinguy> ok
<pinguy> noip, its a pretty good app
<noip> pinguy - hey that's a cool app. thanks
<noip> ha
<pinguy> I found CoverGloobus that is still being worked on
<pinguy> using that app
<pinguy> really don't know why it got stopped being worked on
<pinguy> CoverGloobus is awesome
<pinguy> noip, if you want to unlock the desktop
<pinguy> you can use ubuntu tweak
<noip> pinguy, I don't really want to.
<pinguy> ok
<noip> I like as much negative/empty space as I can get
<pinguy> that was my biggest gripe with eOS
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<noip> lol
<pinguy> I hated it locked you out
<pinguy> I still to this day unsure why they did it
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<pinguy> noip, if you ever need help you can ask at the Pinguy OS forum
<pinguy> it doesn't matter you are running eOS
<pinguy> at there core they are the same
<pinguy> and we get many users ask for help that don't run the system
<pinguy> the support on there is pretty good
<pinguy> I few of the mods there job is to give support for windows
<pinguy> so they can help with all sorts of problems
<pinguy> I even have the head of HP for Australia helping out
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<noip> I was actually running pinguy a while back, and I had to change for some reason. I don't remember why. Or maybe I just decided to try vanilla ubuntu for some reason. I remember pinguy came a with a lot of great apps. I actually don't like gnome 2.x much. I'm a fan of the unity look and UX. It's simplified. I like simple.
<kheeper> I don't get it still doesn't work
<pinguy> Pinguy OS is linux on training wheels
<pinguy> Once people get to know Linux
<pinguy> most of them leave
<mrmcq2u> There is always openbfs, or you could extend the limit for extended attributes in btrfs and add an index.
<pinguy> and I don't really mind
<curtism> i like to think the same happens with ubuntu
<pinguy> Pinguy OS is heavy
<curtism> but unfortunately it doesn't
<pinguy> but that because I have to try and make everyone happy
<noip> pinguy, sure. but it's also just for people who want to get stuff done and done want to have to tinker a whole bunch with their machine.
<envygeeks> if you want to be a man run Debian experimental straight from queue
<curtism> nuu
<curtism> run Arch
<curtism> only way to be a man
<pinguy> most of my mods now dob't use Pinguy OS
<pinguy> *don't
<envygeeks> You only want to run Arch if you want to be a pissed off man >.<
<curtism> envygeeks: i'm not pissed off...
<pinguy> I am pretty sure in 5 years my distro will be obsolete
<pinguy> hopefully by then
<pinguy> I will have something else in the works
<pinguy> Pinguy OS is just a show case of what linux can do
<pinguy> or if you will
<envygeeks> The way GNOME is pushing things it seems like Linux might finally have unity somewhere I don't know though, it seems like GNOME is certainly trying to dumb down the GUI and make Linux easier
<pinguy> a finger up to the people that say you can do somethig on linux
<envygeeks> KDE did a good job of that kinda but there were still some quirks IMO, like a really really really really really really ugly GUI (IMO)
<curtism> yeah they need a new theme
<curtism> oxygen makes me barf
<curtism> someone needs to port elementary to qt
<pinguy> qt is the way to go
<pinguy> fully cross platform
<envygeeks> Yeah I played with QT a bit a couple of weeks ago and found I liked it much better than GTK
<pinguy> gtk3 is shaping up nice though
<pinguy> its almost as good as html5
<pinguy> so for doing web apps
<pinguy> it could be pretty good
<envygeeks> I haven't played much with GTK3 yet, I should check it out
<curtism> problem is that GTK3 doesn't have all the bindings GTK2 has yet
<curtism> i refuse to code GTK in C
<pinguy> I am pretty sure in time it will
<curtism> i'm waiting on ruby bindings
<pinguy> it is still new
<pinguy> never touched ruby
<pinguy> heard lots of good things
<curtism> ruby has the best GTK2 bindings imo
<pinguy> but I have never used it
<curtism> out of all the languages i've used GTK in, ruby was the least painful
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<pinguy> I still am limited in what I can do
<envygeeks> I don't know much about Ruby either but I always thought the python bindings were pretty simple
<pinguy> python is what I know well
<curtism> yeah i had used pygtk quite a bit before i started using ruby
<curtism> they are close
<pinguy> I am a developer. So php css and things like that I know well
<mrmcq2u> Is python still slower than javascript.
<curtism> lol
<envygeeks> You must not use ubuntu much mrmcq2u? :P
<pinguy> python is the first program language I have got into for computers
<curtism> my first was VB.NET. I am very ashamed
<pinguy> at some point I want to get into vala
<envygeeks> But that said, if you think Python is bad, you should have played with Ruby a few years ago, I remember hearing stories about ruby taking (in exaggerated internet terms) days to process an application
<mrmcq2u> Pypy was making some headway las time i checked but it was still playing catchup in terms of speed.
<pinguy> mrmcq2u, most of the apps in Ubuntu are Python
<pinguy> thats why I got into it
<curtism> i'd still use ruby even if it did take a day <3
<mrmcq2u> Vala has been on my todo list but i want to finish reading a book on d first.
<pinguy> plus it was a bit like php
<curtism> mrmcq2u: D is used less than vala is :\
<envygeeks> Most of my development is in Python, our daemons, our server monitors, our external applications that control internal applications.  We've never had a speed issue.
<mrmcq2u> I know but it is a beatiful language
<envygeeks> We did up until almost recently have some memory issues with our web applications but there is a lot of headway in that department, but Ruby had the same problem and they're making headway there too
<pinguy> just to try and understand
<mrmcq2u> C++ done right
<pinguy> vala is a like c++?
<pinguy> so you can build net apps ect.?
<curtism> mrmcq2u: last i heard it had a pretty much non-existent community, and it's kind of fragmented iirc
<envygeeks> isn't elementary's midori built on Vala?
<pinguy> I know eOS is all over vala
<envygeeks> Yeah that's what I though, they were huge Vala fans
<pinguy> but I am just getting into programing myself
<curtism> learn ASM!
<pinguy> got Python down :)
<mrmcq2u> People call it fragmented because there is a choice of a community maintained unofficial standard library, i just call it choice :-)
<pinguy> so thinking what I should do now
<pinguy> I would need something with good docs
<curtism> pinguy: learn C
<pinguy> *documentation
<mrmcq2u> Same people would proba ly say its fragmented because its multiparadigm.
<pinguy> curtism, really?
<pinguy> isn't that mainly for windows apps
<curtism> pinguy: lot's of things are written in C, and learning a lower level language helps a lot
<curtism> C is for everything
<envygeeks> pinguy: if you use Python to build GUI applications it's good to also learn C and C++ imo too because sometimes you'll want something lower than Python
<curtism> the linux kernel is mostly C
<mrmcq2u> Midori is not vala based
<pinguy> ah OK
<curtism> most apps are C [citation needed]
<pinguy> I can put together a distro no problem
<pinguy> but apps I am still lerning
<pinguy> *learning
<pinguy> ok I will give C ago
<curtism> also, doesn't python have some kind of C FFI?
<mrmcq2u> There was a vala based webkit browser announced on planet.gnome recently.
<curtism> wasn't midori around way before elementary?
<envygeeks> http://docs.python.org/c-api/
<pinguy> this is where I learnt most of my programming
<pinguy> http://www.khanacademy.org/#computer-science
<pinguy> http://ocw.mit.edu/courses/electrical-engineering-and-computer-science/
<pinguy> really good sites
<pinguy> the MIT site has class videos
<pinguy> and test papers
<mrmcq2u> Yup midori has been around for ages
<envygeeks> pinguy: most of the "dive into" books are free online so you could use those too
<curtism> so are midori guys founding members of elementary, or was midori sort of "adopted" by elementary, or what?
<btkostner> curtism: DanRabbit helped with the developing of midori
<btkostner> and now the lead midori developer is helping with elementary
<btkostner> he is the one who made postler
<mrmcq2u> Hmmm. Got luna installing when i used an i386 image of oneric
<mrmcq2u> Installer looks more compact and responsive in comparison to ubuntu which is weird as its the same installer.
<mrmcq2u> :-)
<btkostner> mrmcq2u: are you able to boot into it after install?
<mrmcq2u> Well its nearly finished installing now so i will soon see.
<mrmcq2u> So i should be able to use update manager?
<pinguy> how many people are working on the distro?
<pinguy> not apps
<pinguy> just putting it all together?
<pinguy> I can help
<pinguy> but I really only know Remastersys
<pinguy> so nor sure how much help I could give
<mrmcq2u> Oh goodie, greeter seemed to have crashed
<pinguy> *not
<mrmcq2u> Clicking on username on first boot sends me to ubuntu background
<pinguy> I am also really good at promoting and finding funding :)
<pinguy> http://img684.imageshack.us/img684/7608/workspace1021.png
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<mrmcq2u> Was able to login as guest with strange artifacts.
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<curtism> pinguy: i'm accepting donations
<pinguy> curtism, what do you do/make ?
<pinguy> depending on what it is
<pinguy> I can teach you how to make money
<curtism> ha
<curtism> i don't do anything useful, yet :P
<pinguy> lol
<pinguy> then no
<pinguy> I can't help
<pinguy> :P
<pinguy> out of all the ways yo can make a bit of cash eOS did get up mu noise
<pinguy> charging people for a pre-order for a distro that needed testing
<pinguy> I still can't get over that didn't bit you in the ass
<pinguy> whos great idea was it to do that?
<pinguy> and if I understand right
<pinguy> people still haven't got there discs
<pinguy> talk about kicking yourself in the balls
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<curtism> they didn't have to pay
<pinguy> yes they did for shipping
<curtism> so if they aren't happy, it's their own fault
<pinguy> $10
<mrmcq2u> Is compiz and nm norked on the latest build
<curtism> they did not have to give elementary any money
<pinguy> and I don't know what you was using to charge that
<curtism> elementary is a free product
<mrmcq2u> Norked - borked
<pinguy> http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2011/01/elementary-os-jupiter-now-available-to-pre-order/
<pinguy> "Pre-orders can be placed on the elementary project website and cost $10 US. This sum will be used to cover the printing and shipping costs of the CD�s."
<pinguy> I did do a post about it
<curtism> don't quite a few distros offer CDs?
<pinguy> its on that page
<pinguy> http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2011/01/elementary-os-jupiter-now-available-to-pre-order/#comment-128506402
<pinguy> and I am still reading comments to this day of people that never got their CD
<curtism> well your first bit about them making their own DE, they're doing
<curtism> pinguy: your bit about CD size...
<pinguy> yes
<curtism> i hate downloading over a GB of distro, which takes a long time on my slow internet
<curtism> installing it
<curtism> and then never using half of it
<pinguy> but you would rather download 700MB of apps and wait for them to install?
<pinguy> who doesn't use java and codecs
<curtism> the first time i saw/heard about pinguy os, i thought "man, this looks like the most bloated distro in existence"
<curtism> pinguy: honestly, yes, because then i have control over what i'm downloading
<pinguy> but the apps are modular
<curtism> "And why have you gone for Abiword? It maybe light but is missing so much, you really should of used LibreOffice."
<pinguy> they take up no resources
<curtism> i really don't like your attitude there
<pinguy> you are stuck in windows thinking
<noip> I prefer larger distros on DVD. I like having lots of packages already installed.
<curtism> pinguy: lawlno
<curtism> it has nothing to do with resources
<curtism> it has to do with wasting time and bandwidth on things i won't use
<curtism> pinguy: your whole attitude in your comment makes me sick
<pinguy> so download the https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/MinimalCD
<curtism> pinguy: you basically said "you guys did it wrong, i did it right, <LINKS TO PINGUY OS BECAUSE IT'S BETTAR>
<noip> I think most distros should have a CD with a few "application" packages, and a DVD with a bunch of great application packages ready to go.
<curtism> pinguy: or in my case, arch netinstall
<noip> What's with the argument? Agree to disagree.
<pinguy> its an old comment
<pinguy> I still feel the same
<pinguy> as many other people do
<curtism> noip: i never lose an argument!
<pinguy> but its your views
<noip> lol
<mrmcq2u> Abiword is so much bettrr than libreoffice.
<pinguy> same as its mine
<curtism> mrmcq2u++
<pinguy> have any of you lot worked in a office?
<noip> mrmcq2u :: I've never used abiword extensively.  I'm going to see how far along I can get without it before I download libre office.
<mrmcq2u> If i want to spend a minute or two editing a cv i dont want to wait a minute or two to start the text editor.
<pinguy> Abiword is useless for many tasks
<curtism> pinguy: such as?
<noip> mrmcq2u, lol. Libre doesn't take that long to start up.
<pinguy> http://crunchbanglinux.org/forums/topic/12951/libreoffice-vs-openoffice-vs-abiword
<pinguy> haven't even read it
<noip> curtism, can you make headers and footers in abiword?
<curtism> ....yes
<pinguy> but I tried doing a CV in AbiWord and couldn't get the layout right
<pinguy> and this was just updating a CV
<pinguy> tables was sh*t in AbiWord
<noip> curtism,  can you insert columns in abiword?
<mrmcq2u> Try pressing the any key :-)
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<curtism> noip: in a table, or on the page?
<pinguy> For office use AbiWord is useless
<pinguy> I tried it on may office users
<pinguy> none of them could do half the tasks they wanted to
<noip> curtism, it looks like you can only apply a column format to a whole page and not part of a page.
<pinguy> they said it was like the free word you get with XP
<curtism> pinguy: you've just repeated yourself without providing any examples
<pinguy> "wordpad"
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<pinguy> curtism, http://crunchbanglinux.org/forums/topic/12951/libreoffice-vs-openoffice-vs-abiword
<noip> curtism, the reason i ask is because i a have a project that requires that i create columns in some places on pages. Not the whole page, just part of the page.
<curtism> pinguy: you didn't even read that thread, you said
<curtism> pinguy: linking to a random thread on a forum is not providing examples
<pinguy> I just read 3 posts
<curtism> frankly, it makes you look like a fool
<pinguy> and pretty much what I have been told gets talked about
<curtism> it makes you look like you don't actually have any examples, and hate abiword for unjustified reasons
<pinguy> as noip said
<pinguy> tables
<mrmcq2u> I think there should be a simple guodleline for selecting apps, if it has a splashscreen ignore it.
<curtism> noip: you can use tables for that, i think
<pinguy> curtism, I go by feedback from windows users
<curtism> mrmcq2u++
<pinguy> if all of them
<pinguy> and I mean all of them
<curtism> pinguy: well
<noip> mrmcq2u, lol
<curtism> feedback from windows users
<curtism> there's the problem, right there!
<pinguy> really?
<noip> curtism, I think I can. As long as the table borders are invisible.
<pinguy> most users are windows users
<pinguy> if I can't give them something as good or better
<curtism> pinguy: see now, this is the problem i have with your distro
<curtism> you target windows users
<pinguy> why should they switch
<curtism> which imo, is the wrong target audience
<pinguy> I target all OSs
<pinguy> if they do something better then my system
<curtism> also, i'd say AbiWord is at least functionally equivalent to Word 2003
<pinguy> I try to improve on that
<noip> curtism, the difficulty is that in MS Word, and in Libre and Open Office I can highlight a paragraph and immediately turn it into columns. Cannot do that with tables. Tables you have to cut and paste the content back in to the tables. Not a deal breaker for most people, but for me I have a 150 books to edit and I sort of need to go fast.
<curtism> pinguy: you still havn't given me any concrete examples of where abiword falls short compared to MS Word or Libre/Open Office Writer
<noip> I don't have a dog in this fight, but I don't think AbiWord is anywhere near word 2003. No offense to AbiWord. I actually really like AbiWord.
<mrmcq2u> Never trusted any of them to actually render cv's correctly on microsoft offoce anyways. Open Office always failed in terms of layout.
<pinguy> curtism, are you a AbiWord dev?
<pinguy> because I have already told you tables
<mrmcq2u> Think elementary needs to start from scratch with gtk3 and webkit.
<curtism> it can do tables fine?
<pinguy> I can not update my CV in AbiWord
<pinguy> it just doesn't work
<pinguy> but it does in OOo or LibreOffice
<curtism> maybe your CV is the problem then?
<pinguy> probably a simple thing
<curtism> i'm assuming you are importing it from another word processor
<noip> Curtism - There are a lot of little hidden options in 2003 that you have to search for, or get trained on, before you notice them. (Which is also unfortunate.)
<pinguy> but if I can not do a simple task like that in AbiWord but I can in LibreOffice
<pinguy> why should I use AbiWord?
<curtism> what task specifically?
<curtism> what can abiword not do that prevents you from editing your CV?
<curtism> also, i can give you the same reasons elementary chose abiword
<pinguy> TABLES
<pinguy> how many more times
<curtism> it's native GTK, it is a lot lighter than openoffice
<curtism> pinguy: IT CAN DO TABLES. HOW MANY MORE TIMES
<pinguy> ok then its tables are broken
<pinguy> because I can use LibreOffice and OOo to edit it
<pinguy> but not AbiWord
<curtism> pinguy: http://programble.co.cc/ss/2011-07-15-212648_910x630_scrot.png
<pinguy> hold on I will install AbiWord
<pinguy> and show you my CV
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<pinguy> it don't work
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<pinguy> dam it
<mrmcq2u> Pinguy have you checked ehether ur cv looks correct in ms office once xou create it in open/libreoffice rather than assuming that its worked.
<pinguy> I updated my CV to pdf
<pinguy> hold on
<pinguy> let me find the word dock
<noip> curtism, I'm trying to use tables right now in Abiword, and they're definitely screwed up.
<curtism> right, so you're importing from another processor, which could possibly be messing up the tables
<pinguy> but OOo don't have this problem
<pinguy> that is waht I used to export it as a pdf
<curtism> OOo is also a non-native clunker
<pinguy> so I won't have that problem anymore
<curtism> which happens to be why elementary chose abiword
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<noip> curtism, never mind, they just work differently than I'm used to.
<noip> curtism, took me a minute to figure it out. Not as many options as libre office, but still workable for most projects I would imagine.
<pinguy> curtism, is that the same reason you don't use FF or Chromium ?
<pinguy> but a shi**y browser that crashes all the time
<pinguy> because it works with the theme
<curtism> i use chromium, and have both libreoffice and abiword installed
<curtism> i also have midori
<noip> I love chromium
<curtism> midori seemed stable to me when i used it..
<pinguy> not for me
<noip> But when I want to visit a site fast I'll open midori.
<curtism> i also really like it as a browser and would use it full time if it didn't lack plugins
<danopia> i agree with noip
<davidboy> OMG
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<noip> wow. what happened?
<pinguy> noip, do you have a google+ account?
<pinguy> if not do you want one
<noip> pinguy, hell yeah.
<noip> Why, you want it?
<mrmcq2u> Pinguy exporting to pdf is not the right way of doing things and is certainly not a point in its favour. Exporting to most microsoft formats from open/libreoffice was such a nightmare for me during college. Libreoffice inherited thr bloated, defective by design, ugly ass inneficiant office suite which has completely failed to capture a significiant market share although it has had the same oppertunity as mozilla witg firefox.
<pinguy> noip, I need a email
<pinguy> you can PM it
<noip> Yeah.
<pinguy> or post it here
<pinguy> its up to you
<noip> my real name: adamsaverian@gmail.com
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<noip> Oh great, he's got spambots?!
<noip> ;-)
<mrmcq2u> I think openoffice was damaging to desktop linux.
<pinguy> sent
<noip> mrmcq2u, really?
<noip> mrmcq2u, that's strechting it a little.
<pinguy> anyone else want one?
<curtism> already has, thanks
<noip> mrmcq2u, For many people open office is their first step into open source. I used it, with many others, in small company (40 people) and rarely heard complaints.
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<btkostner> pinguy: w00t, who knew being in #elementary had perks like invites to google+
<Paddy_NI> Hey can anyone tell me what is wrong with Postler http://img225.imageshack.us/img225/6444/inboxpostler001.png
<Paddy_NI> There are invites to google+ here?
<btkostner> :)
<noip> pinguy I'm already on google+ btw
<noip> I don't need an invite
<Paddy_NI> Nice.. are they all gone?
<pinguy> just found that out :)
<curtism> lol
<curtism> noip: nice troll attempt?
<mrmcq2u> I was pushing it for large deployments on several occasions in the past but always let tge users decide which office suite they find most functional and they chose ms office.
<noip> mrmcq2u, without a doubt the most functional is still MS Office.
<curtism> ms office looks nicer
<btkostner> noip: I added you to my elementary circle
<Paddy_NI> it looks like a fisherprice toy
<noip> mrmcq2u, I won't dispute that. But I effin' hate microsoft.
<curtism> i love how OOo manages to look ugly and out of place on every platform
<btkostner> DOWN WITH MICROSOFT
<btkostner> who wants to burn them with me?
<curtism> btkostner: funny you should say that right after talking about G+
<curtism> unless there was not reference to big brother intended
<btkostner> ?
<mrmcq2u> Its not just that it looks nicer, its easier for users to find functions.
<Paddy_NI> So are there any google+ invites available, and does anyone have any idea what is up with postler from that screenshot?
<noip> btkostner, cool. If I'll add you to my circles. Linux, Open Source, etc. I need some more Linux folks in Google+
<btkostner> Paddy_NI: whats your email
<noip> curtism, I'll give you that. Open Office and even Libre Office are uglier than hell.
<Paddy_NI> btkostner: Did you get the pm
<btkostner> noip I am up to 21 people in linux circle
<btkostner> Paddy_NI: yep
<Paddy_NI> cool :)
<btkostner> Paddy_NI: sent
<pinguy> I keep getting people add me that I have no clue who they are
<Paddy_NI> btkostner: Cheers mate nice one :)
<noip> btkostner - I wish there was a way to see who was in other people's circles. That's the only way I can think of to find out who's worth following.
<btkostner> pinguy: add them to the creepy people circle
<pinguy> lol
<noip> pinguy, at least you don't have to follow them back.
<btkostner> I added Dan
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<curtism> i like how G+ is a nice mix of twitter and facebook when it comes to adding people
<btkostner> 29 people in my circles
<btkostner> 21 of them are in linux circle
<mrmcq2u> Higher productivity, hence why i think openoffice had been a failure. You never hear,people praise it. The most they are willing to say is that there are no complaints. They should have aimed to be the best but it couldnt get one thing right, not looks, not accesability, not speed etc
<curtism> Paddy_NI: looks like DBUS is broke
<btkostner> curtism: so true
<curtism> mrmcq2u: the splash screen is nice!
<pinguy> noip, I have added you twice
<noip> pinguy, cool, I'm worth it.
<pinguy> thats because my first account was a fu** up
<noip> Linux Gamecast is hanging out on Google+ right now. I would join them, but they're a bit crazy.
<pinguy> I didn't release I was still logged into it
<pinguy> My main one has a whole profile
<btkostner> my gwibber looks better than yours
<btkostner> its new
<btkostner> it might not work
<noip> I had a couple of people follow me on Google+. I assume that both of them are from this conversation. I'll just throw you in Linux and Open Source
<Paddy_NI> curtism: I wonder what I can do to fix that.. I love postler and really starting to miss it
<btkostner> but it looks awesome
<pinguy> I have the new one too :)
<pinguy> gtk3
<btkostner> pinguy: it looks so much better
<Paddy_NI> btkostner: I have invites to diaspora if you are interested?
<curtism> is gwibber still slow as piss?
<btkostner> but mine does not work
<Paddy_NI> curtism: yeah its decoding the human genome
<pinguy> I haven't really seen a huge difference
<btkostner> Paddy_NI: no thanks
<curtism> Paddy_NI: try restarting dbus? (i have no idea how to do this)
<Paddy_NI> cool
<pinguy> but it is less resource heavy
<curtism> am i the only one who finds egtk2 looks a lot better than egtk3?
<noip> Have you all seen the new gwibber?
<pinguy> no post on wall on google+ ?
<curtism> or perhaps i'm not using the right one...
<noip> I'm sure you have.
<noip> Pinguy no
<pinguy> http://img89.imageshack.us/img89/6941/socialbroadcastmessages.png
<noip> pinguy, just send a post out and attach a persons name to it.
<pinguy> the new gwibber looks more or less the same
<btkostner> pinguy: the new gtk3 one does not look like that, it is better
<pinguy> that is using the gtk3
<curtism> is the lp:egtk repo still the right thing to be using?
<pinguy> it is the new one
<btkostner> http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2011/07/gwibber-revamped-ubuntu-11-10/
<btkostner> pinguy ^
<pinguy> http://img801.imageshack.us/img801/6941/socialbroadcastmessages.png
<pinguy> there you go
<pinguy> it is the new one
<btkostner> pinguy: I am using one newer
<noip> btkostner, lol
<noip> The new gwibber looks tight.
<Paddy_NI> btkostner: Has any of the cool features in google wave found there way into google+?
<btkostner> Paddy_NI: not that I know of
<btkostner> I like hangout, it is awesome
<Paddy_NI> oh
<Paddy_NI> I must have a look
<pinguy> hangout is so good
<pinguy> I did it with 6 people
<pinguy> it works so well
<curtism> gwibber needs G+, then i'll use it
<pinguy> pretty glad I had that foresight
<pinguy> I pre-installed all the google plugins for firefox
<btkostner> pinguy: http://imagebin.org/163311
<pinguy> have you got a PPA?
<pinguy> 11.04
<btkostner> only for 11.10
<noip> btkostner, looks good. Is that Luna?
<noip> btkostner, Will Luna be based on 11.04?
<btkostner> no, daily build has bugs that keep it from booting
<btkostner> nope
<btkostner> 11.10
<pinguy> awesome
<pinguy> So you have started work on it then?
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<btkostner> pinguy: not me
<pinguy> I don't bother until ubuntu hit beta 2
<btkostner> I test
<noip> btkostner, OH, yeah, I wasn't paying attention.
<pinguy> then I go balls deep
<pinguy> :)
<btkostner> :\
<pinguy> and spend pretty much every waking hour working on it
<curtism> nice, gwibber crashes
<pinguy> last distro I did 34 hours straight
<mrmcq2u> So i should have used natty then?
<btkostner> website is done being moderated
<btkostner> time for games
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<btkostner> :O
<btkostner> I am chatting with rabbitbot in #elementary-art
<noip> I didn't realize that libre office isn't in the ubuntu software center
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<noip> Is that just for y-ppa-manage package?
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