Ren Tanaka (trav) pages: Hey

You paged Ren Tanaka with 'Hi'

Ren Tanaka (trav) pages: response has been slow and petals was ill so I have nothing to report as far as 'new rp plans' go BUT

Ren Tanaka (trav) pages: someone has suggested I just fill time with random social stuff. How interested would you be in that.
page A little, I suppose.

You paged Ren Tanaka with 'A little, I suppose.'

Ren Tanaka (trav) pages: let me try and find this thing someone said to me

Ren Tanaka (trav) pages: 'Talk some more. Be a normal participant in things. Stop trying push your mythos hard into it.'

Ren Tanaka (trav) pages: like I don't know... how does a statement like that work in practice

You paged Ren Tanaka with 'Well, right now, it really seems like all Ren does is make pithy comments, drop vague hints about his history, get clingy to young people and go on adventures. There's... not a lot to him as a person.'

Ren Tanaka (trav) pages: Yeah, so people have said. How do I change this?

You paged Ren Tanaka with 'Give him interests, things that can actually come up in an RPable fashion. Not just comments about stuff he already did, because there's not a lot of meat there for other people to clamp on to. Keep the rambling monologues - internal and external to cutscenes, they don't give other participants anything to, especially when Ren refuses to admit to his heritage which means any questions about them will get brushed off.'

Ren Tanaka (trav) pages: So you mean like... just talk on the radio more?

You paged Ren Tanaka with 'That's an aspect of it.'

You paged Ren Tanaka with 'Another thing is... well, I'll be honest. The fact that he only seems to really go out of his way to interact with younger characters might come off as a little creepy.'

Ren Tanaka (trav) pages: But he doesn't?

Ren Tanaka (trav) pages: Ren's got friends like Ainsley and Kyle and Faruja as well

You paged Ren Tanaka with 'But the two themes you interact with most are Cardcaptor Sakura and Persona.'

Ren Tanaka (trav) pages: Well I'm dropping out of the Persona theme so I guess that solves that

You paged Ren Tanaka with 'Mmhm. And that leads to another thing. You're kind of... pushy about inserting yourself into stuff. Things like showing up in scenes for a single pose to make smartass comments, making Tomoeda your home without Sakura's permission... at the very least, it's impolite.'

Ren Tanaka (trav) pages: I was talking to August yesterday and it feels like I've been throwing myself up against this theme trying to make something of it and it's ultimately just been self-destructive in an absolutely awful way which has lowered peoples' opinions of me and been constantly mired down by RL interference. Plus Ren hasn't had an essential connection to it since Hoshi dropped, and I feel like the tone of the RP you guys want to do is just not something I get along well with

Ren Tanaka (trav) pages: Tomoyo, I don't talk very much with Sakura because her player has had a very hard time of it RL for most of this year. I usually only go to her with good news and even when I've tried to offer her RP before it's gone very badly. I do my best to not do anything that will upset her and do my best to try and make doing things on MCM, hell even /talking back to me/ needs to be worthwhile for her.

You paged Ren Tanaka with 'I'm gonna stop because you're clearly not in a state to hear this.'

Ren Tanaka (trav) pages: No, this has been building up for several days now and it's not going to go away. In fact I've been pretty sure for about six or nine months that there's been more than a small degree of some sort of problems you've had with me and had just never been saying

Ren Tanaka (trav) pages: So go on.

You paged Ren Tanaka with 'Not without some degree of moderation to prevent hurt feelings'

Ren Tanaka (trav) pages: Well, I +griped myself three days ago because I had started to realize that it was pretty likely that two thirds of the people I thought were some of my friends who really enjoyed RPing with me were just politely holding back about thirty gallons of acid, so I'm trying my best to prise out of staff how many months I've been doing nothing but fucking up for myself. So hopefully I can get some sort of confirmation from them about how long I've been comprehensively destroying my reputation and my most enjoyable character.


You paged Ren Tanaka with 'Griping yourself is just gonna make Staff scratch their heads and have no idea what to do man.'

You paged Ren Tanaka with 'If you really want the air cleared about this, you might have more success asking on +7 like Volund did. No gurantees though.'

You paged Ren Tanaka with 'When people are around, that is.'

Ren Tanaka (trav) pages: Why? Shouldn't staff know every one of the complaints I'm supposed to be getting if everything is shit?

You paged Ren Tanaka with '+gripe is for other people.'

Ren Tanaka (trav) pages: But it's exactly the same. You're telling me that I've been doing hundreds of things wrong for months and that I've been fundamentally mistaken about practically everyhting I've been enjoying for most of this character's new lifespan, and there are probably a dozen different people who have just been keeping quiet and let me blither along to the point of complete self-destruction, so why can't I just tell staff 'ok look I've become aware of the fact that I'm a shitlord and everyone actually hates me so can you just explain what all of these complaints that've been under the surface for months is?

You paged Ren Tanaka with 'Bro okay you're making a lot of assumptions.'

You paged Ren Tanaka with 'First of all, you're asuming that people have been +griping you. I certainly haven't.'

You paged Ren Tanaka with 'Second of all, even if Staff HAD been getting gripes, they're certainly not going to tell you about them, they're private.'

You paged Ren Tanaka with 'Just chill out, go do something else for a while and ask /nicely/ and /without exaggeration/ if you've been portraying yourself and Ren in a poor light.'

You paged Ren Tanaka with 'To be clear, on +7, when people are around.'

Ren Tanaka (trav) pages: Yes but that doesn't make any sense. If I've been getting tons of gripes- and I mean there are clearly an apex amount of problems you have with me that you've been keeping quiet about since, I'm going to assume, very near the absolute beginning of when I started to RP with you- if I don't know about them, then things continue on, with me blindly blithering forward in the delusion that I'm doing nothing wrong and that I'm creating genuinely enjoyable RP for my friends, whereas in truth I'm just flailing around in shit making the public opinion of me consistently fall to pieces. If I had known any of these problems /as they happened/, most of the previous year could have been completely different. Instead it's just worked itself into this awful situation. So why wouldn't just going to staff 'just throw me a bone' work?

You paged Ren Tanaka with 'Because it's against the rules, and doing it would create a precedent. Look, you're getting all worked up and it makes it hard to talk to you. GO cool off, Ren Tanaka (trav) pages: Hey

You paged Ren Tanaka with 'Hi'

Ren Tanaka (trav) pages: response has been slow and petals was ill so I have nothing to report as far as 'new rp plans' go BUT

Ren Tanaka (trav) pages: someone has suggested I just fill time with random social stuff. How interested would you be in that.
page A little, I suppose.

You paged Ren Tanaka with 'A little, I suppose.'

Ren Tanaka (trav) pages: let me try and find this thing someone said to me

Ren Tanaka (trav) pages: 'Talk some more. Be a normal participant in things. Stop trying push your mythos hard into it.'

Ren Tanaka (trav) pages: like I don't know... how does a statement like that work in practice

You paged Ren Tanaka with 'Well, right now, it really seems like all Ren does is make pithy comments, drop vague hints about his history, get clingy to young people and go on adventures. There's... not a lot to him as a person.'

Ren Tanaka (trav) pages: Yeah, so people have said. How do I change this?

You paged Ren Tanaka with 'Give him interests, things that can actually come up in an RPable fashion. Not just comments about stuff he already did, because there's not a lot of meat there for other people to clamp on to. Keep the rambling monologues - internal and external to cutscenes, they don't give other participants anything to, especially when Ren refuses to admit to his heritage which means any questions about them will get brushed off.'

Ren Tanaka (trav) pages: So you mean like... just talk on the radio more?

You paged Ren Tanaka with 'That's an aspect of it.'

You paged Ren Tanaka with 'Another thing is... well, I'll be honest. The fact that he only seems to really go out of his way to interact with younger characters might come off as a little creepy.'

Ren Tanaka (trav) pages: But he doesn't?

Ren Tanaka (trav) pages: Ren's got friends like Ainsley and Kyle and Faruja as well

You paged Ren Tanaka with 'But the two themes you interact with most are Cardcaptor Sakura and Persona.'

Ren Tanaka (trav) pages: Well I'm dropping out of the Persona theme so I guess that solves that

You paged Ren Tanaka with 'Mmhm. And that leads to another thing. You're kind of... pushy about inserting yourself into stuff. Things like showing up in scenes for a single pose to make smartass comments, making Tomoeda your home without Sakura's permission... at the very least, it's impolite.'

Ren Tanaka (trav) pages: I was talking to August yesterday and it feels like I've been throwing myself up against this theme trying to make something of it and it's ultimately just been self-destructive in an absolutely awful way which has lowered peoples' opinions of me and been constantly mired down by RL interference. Plus Ren hasn't had an essential connection to it since Hoshi dropped, and I feel like the tone of the RP you guys want to do is just not something I get along well with

Ren Tanaka (trav) pages: Tomoyo, I don't talk very much with Sakura because her player has had a very hard time of it RL for most of this year. I usually only go to her with good news and even when I've tried to offer her RP before it's gone very badly. I do my best to not do anything that will upset her and do my best to try and make doing things on MCM, hell even /talking back to me/ needs to be worthwhile for her.

You paged Ren Tanaka with 'I'm gonna stop because you're clearly not in a state to hear this.'

Ren Tanaka (trav) pages: No, this has been building up for several days now and it's not going to go away. In fact I've been pretty sure for about six or nine months that there's been more than a small degree of some sort of problems you've had with me and had just never been saying

Ren Tanaka (trav) pages: So go on.

You paged Ren Tanaka with 'Not without some degree of moderation to prevent hurt feelings'

Ren Tanaka (trav) pages: Well, I +griped myself three days ago because I had started to realize that it was pretty likely that two thirds of the people I thought were some of my friends who really enjoyed RPing with me were just politely holding back about thirty gallons of acid, so I'm trying my best to prise out of staff how many months I've been doing nothing but fucking up for myself. So hopefully I can get some sort of confirmation from them about how long I've been comprehensively destroying my reputation and my most enjoyable character.


You paged Ren Tanaka with 'Griping yourself is just gonna make Staff scratch their heads and have no idea what to do man.'

You paged Ren Tanaka with 'If you really want the air cleared about this, you might have more success asking on +7 like Volund did. No gurantees though.'

You paged Ren Tanaka with 'When people are around, that is.'

Ren Tanaka (trav) pages: Why? Shouldn't staff know every one of the complaints I'm supposed to be getting if everything is shit?

You paged Ren Tanaka with '+gripe is for other people.'

Ren Tanaka (trav) pages: But it's exactly the same. You're telling me that I've been doing hundreds of things wrong for months and that I've been fundamentally mistaken about practically everyhting I've been enjoying for most of this character's new lifespan, and there are probably a dozen different people who have just been keeping quiet and let me blither along to the point of complete self-destruction, so why can't I just tell staff 'ok look I've become aware of the fact that I'm a shitlord and everyone actually hates me so can you just explain what all of these complaints that've been under the surface for months is?

You paged Ren Tanaka with 'Bro okay you're making a lot of assumptions.'

You paged Ren Tanaka with 'First of all, you're asuming that people have been +griping you. I certainly haven't.'

You paged Ren Tanaka with 'Second of all, even if Staff HAD been getting gripes, they're certainly not going to tell you about them, they're private.'

You paged Ren Tanaka with 'Just chill out, go do something else for a while and ask /nicely/ and /without exaggeration/ if you've been portraying yourself and Ren in a poor light.'

You paged Ren Tanaka with 'To be clear, on +7, when people are around.'

Ren Tanaka (trav) pages: Yes but that doesn't make any sense. If I've been getting tons of gripes- and I mean there are clearly an apex amount of problems you have with me that you've been keeping quiet about since, I'm going to assume, very near the absolute beginning of when I started to RP with you- if I don't know about them, then things continue on, with me blindly blithering forward in the delusion that I'm doing nothing wrong and that I'm creating genuinely enjoyable RP for my friends, whereas in truth I'm just flailing around in shit making the public opinion of me consistently fall to pieces. If I had known any of these problems /as they happened/, most of the previous year could have been completely different. Instead it's just worked itself into this awful situation. So why wouldn't just going to staff 'just throw me a bone' work?

You paged Ren Tanaka with 'Because it's against the rules, and doing it would create a precedent. Look, you're getting all worked up and it makes it hard to talk to you. GO cool off, please.'please.'