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  1. [19:06] * greenback (4d003741@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.77.0.55.65) has left #earthcoin
  2. [19:07] <cryptozark> They said they will be on in about 10 minutes
  3. [19:07] * steveomb (4d003741@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.77.0.55.65) has joined #earthcoin
  4. [19:07] <Xanather> cool
  5. [19:07] <dkwholesales> Great, I hope we can move forward after this and we stop getting the where is the devs etc...
  6. [19:07] <Xanather> ill be asking the main question everyone wants to know xD
  7. [19:07] <KevinBiomech> Well, this is the first time I've used IRC in this century :D Hopefully it's better than it used to be. Howdy peeps!
  8. [19:07] <dkwholesales> Hi there!
  9. [19:07] <dkwholesales> Does it bring back memories?
  10. [19:08] <Xanather> lol
  11. [19:08] <cryptozark> Hi Biomech!
  12. [19:08] <cryptozark> Your posts on bitcointalk and earthcointalk have been well thought out and highly appreciated
  13. [19:08] <KevinBiomech> Not good ones. The early days of the internet were problematic at best. Anybody remember mIRC?
  14. [19:08] <cryptozark> I think mIRC is still really popular
  15. [19:09] <KevinBiomech> Hello Cryptozark!
  16. [19:09] <cryptozark> but you know... not free because it's so good ;-)
  17. [19:09] <KevinBiomech> You're shittin' me. That abomination survived?
  18. [19:09] <Xanather> yep
  19. [19:09] <dkwholesales> lol
  20. [19:09] <Xanather> and you have to pay for it
  21. [19:09] * earthcoin (63e76f0b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.99.231.111.11) has joined #earthcoin
  22. [19:09] <dkwholesales> They have earned that though right? I mean you owe that to them. :)
  23. [19:09] <steveomb> !help
  24. [19:09] <cryptozark> I use hex chat on windows. Colloquy on mac
  25. [19:09] <KevinBiomech> That's frightening :P
  26. [19:09] <earthcoin> Hi gang
  27. [19:10] <KevinBiomech> Hello!
  28. [19:10] <Xanather> pay for a IRC client?
  29. [19:10] <earthcoin> Just waiting on Wes
  30. [19:10] <dkwholesales> I think after this you should sign up there just to show your support. :)
  31. [19:10] <Xanather> why?
  32. [19:10] * Ricke (541fa33d@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.84.31.163.61) has joined #earthcoin
  33. [19:10] <Ricke> Gooooooooood evening.
  34. [19:10] <Xanather> hello earthcoin
  35. [19:10] <dkwholesales> Hello!
  36. [19:10] * krome ([email protected]) has joined #earthcoin
  37. [19:10] <earthcoin> Only half the team is here just want to give it a bit to get at least one more of us here
  38. [19:11] <Xanather> but yeah hexchat is fine, not sure why people would pay for mIRC still
  39. [19:11] <earthcoin> in the meantime feel free to start prepping your Q's/hate/etc :)
  40. [19:11] <dkwholesales> lol
  41. [19:11] <Xanather> haha
  42. [19:11] <dkwholesales> I am so mad right now
  43. [19:11] <dkwholesales> I mean you basically forced me to buy this...
  44. [19:12] <Xanather> who
  45. [19:12] <dkwholesales> Everyone
  46. [19:12] <KevinBiomech> Steppin' out for a cigarette, hopefull the gang will all be here when I get back :D
  47. [19:12] * cakeonroof (4eac4d52@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.78.172.77.82) has joined #earthcoin
  48. [19:12] <Xanather> its mainly the multipools i think
  49. [19:13] <cryptozark> Just letting everyone know, I can only be on for the earlier part of the chat as I have to go into work in about 30 mins.
  50. [19:13] * vanuu (b4fd12aa@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.180.253.18.170) has joined #earthcoin
  51. [19:13] <earthcoin> Ok I'm not sure what's keeping people so let's just start
  52. [19:14] <cryptozark> But Earthcoin and Wes probably have all the answers to most people's questions
  53. [19:14] <dkwholesales> Sure, did 0rganic make it?
  54. [19:14] <vanuu> sooooooooo... what EAC want to give? are they give EAC to Crimean people or what
  55. [19:14] <moonshinekiller> How is it going whit incrypt?
  56. [19:14] <earthcoin> First - a huge thank you to everyone, I know you're pissed, worried, thinking the worst, I'm not 100% sure how to start this but there are a few things I'd like to say upfront.
  57. [19:15] <earthcoin> There is a reason we've been somewhat quiet and at the same time looking for a new main dev.
  58. [19:15] <vanuu> aha the dev MIA missing in action
  59. [19:15] <vanuu> and?
  60. [19:15] <earthcoin> We've hit turbulance unfortunately and instead of finding a compromise, mark, wes, and myself are left trying to guide this without our main dev's input anymore and he's not willing to participate with showing his holdings today.
  61. [19:16] <cryptozark> Well, now you know my name. zark-mark
  62. [19:16] <dkwholesales> I understand, can you go into more details as to what happened with the main dev?
  63. [19:16] <Xanather> dang
  64. [19:17] <vanuu> the dev kidnapped or what, but thats not quite important, whats ur next plan
  65. [19:17] <vanuu> real plan
  66. [19:17] <Xanather> have we heard of this main dev?
  67. [19:17] <dkwholesales> Things like this happen, you do not know everyone's full agenda until things are moving.
  68. [19:17] <vanuu> to replace the main Dev for new one
  69. [19:17] <earthcoin> Frankly, there is a LOT that goes into a coin, and the dev is limited with his skills and english, so as the team hustled 20-30hrs a week each, he couldn't really do much. This aggrevated me/us and we simply started making moves without him. I came back from some damage control in real life and we unfortunately had it out to the point of him simply
  70. [19:17] <earthcoin> leaving and not looking back or seeming to care.
  71. [19:17] <cryptozark> Right, and we've been trying. We've put out bounties but no responses yet
  72. [19:18] <earthcoin> So - worst case scenario - is he and his coins are gone.
  73. [19:18] <dkwholesales> I see, and he was your main developer right?
  74. [19:18] <earthcoin> Best case scenario - he's gone but his coins are not - either way I'll break down the premine now :
  75. [19:18] <earthcoin> We premined 2% = 270M - and split that down in half.
  76. [19:18] <Ricke> How do you guys communicate? Do you usually communicate through IRC? I experience that as an ineffective way of communication and so it's pretty hard to put good things out there..
  77. [19:19] <vanuu> split in half... then?
  78. [19:19] * Wesandeac (cfdb45ef@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.207.219.69.239) has joined #earthcoin
  79. [19:19] <earthcoin> We each put forth 35M for bounties and were to hold 100M for future moves and keep an undetermined amount later once it was worth enough to care.
  80. [19:20] <Xanather> i see
  81. [19:20] <earthcoin> We brought in Wes, Zark, and I still have 100M, on top of that we still have 18M in assignable bounties right now.
  82. [19:20] <Xanather> is the main developer you were talking about CryptoBoomer?
  83. [19:20] <cryptozark> I have earned 3.1 million in bounties so far
  84. [19:20] <earthcoin> I did a 'send to myself' yesterday for the first time - didn't actually know you could do that until recently. So first I did 1million to make sure it worked, it did, so I sent 99more.
  85. [19:20] <Xanather> or do we not know him? O_o
  86. [19:20] <earthcoin> Here is the address I used, and I can do another send to self right now if you guys want.
  87. [19:21] <earthcoin> http://earthchain.info/address/eeEpCaGQ2WrhnVAgVdWEqg9m4T6Yjd91LZ
  88. [19:21] <cryptozark> Right, because when people were checking the block chain, it looked like things were split into smaller and smaller amounts, but I think that's just how the wallet clients work?
  89. [19:21] <Wesandeac> My bounty wallet : http://earthchain.info/address/ecCVP67wGUtuXRcir3K7d3EYkYfag1i3c4
  90. [19:22] <cryptozark> So I had to tell @earthcoin that he needed to send all his portion of the premine funds to one address so it would be easy to verify on the blockchain
  91. [19:22] <earthcoin> So while not knowing wtf our main dev did/is doing/will do - and not being sure how to approach next steps/new wallets etc. It's been a rather shitty internal experience this last bit. I have nothing but the best intentions and have exhausted my efforts in trying to mitigate all concerns and still keep the team motivated.
  92. [19:22] <Wesandeac> It is how they work!
  93. [19:22] <earthcoin> Today I feel like walking away as a failed leader.
  94. [19:22] <Wesandeac> wasnt going explain it to them
  95. [19:22] <earthcoin> The smaller amounts were all bounties and giveaways
  96. [19:23] <cryptozark> I was bountied: http://earthchain.info/address/eaYsaKSD5R3xTyDh8BQJ7hPzMmLvDYvaZE
  97. [19:23] <cryptozark> Plus this http://earthchain.info/address/eSuqEVij4EHVS39u1RpMt8xBBPczj6tB3V
  98. [19:23] <cryptozark> and this: http://earthchain.info/address/eeswmfUM8H49yhXf1SejRoSXV9av3CRAJf
  99. [19:23] <vanuu> How about planning to give that part of giveaways to crimean people
  100. [19:23] <vanuu> and make news bout it
  101. [19:23] <dkwholesales> ....
  102. [19:23] <Wesandeac> they need arms ;)
  103. [19:23] <earthcoin> We're open to all ideas and are actually having a hard time assigning the current 18M eac
  104. [19:24] <earthcoin> sans buying arms lol
  105. [19:24] <Wesandeac> any significant amt of EAC will go towards a lead dev
  106. [19:24] <vanuu> if theres any eac store/merchandise that sell life stocks
  107. [19:24] * nivekvssn (565549ba@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.86.85.73.186) has joined #earthcoin
  108. [19:24] <vanuu> near russia lol
  109. [19:24] <cryptozark> http://earthazaar.com
  110. [19:24] <moonshinekiller> Has cryptobommer left eac???
  111. [19:24] <vanuu> they sell life stocks?
  112. [19:24] <earthcoin> This is cryptoboomer :)
  113. [19:24] <Xanather> who is/was actually the main developer though cryptoboomer right?
  114. [19:24] <earthcoin> No
  115. [19:24] <Xanather> oh right
  116. [19:25] <earthcoin> I am a designer/brander
  117. [19:25] <Wesandeac> No it was "john"
  118. [19:25] <earthcoin> This thing demands SO MUCH more than what I alone can do
  119. [19:25] <moonshinekiller> How is it going whit your trading site?
  120. [19:25] <earthcoin> I was recruited by the lead dev - who to this day has not disclosed himself to me
  121. [19:25] <earthcoin> much like having my own nakamoto
  122. [19:25] <Wesandeac> john had a falling out with us. We wanted transparency he wanted secrecy
  123. [19:25] <KevinBiomech> ok, I'm back and caught up.
  124. [19:25] <Xanather> i see
  125. [19:25] <cryptozark> We have assembled a team of people who over the last month have said they would like to help with Earthcoin in a private group on Earthcointalk a few days ago
  126. [19:26] <earthcoin> It's been our main beef since day one actually
  127. [19:26] <Ricke> How do you guys (developers team) + those helpers communicate? Do you usually communicate through IRC? I experience that as an ineffective way of communication and so it's pretty hard to put good things out there..
  128. [19:26] <KevinBiomech> Very nice to see the premine info. I do have a suggestion for the three of you. Post what you just did on earthcointalk and bitcointalk.
  129. [19:26] <vanuu> this is a coin with vision that pretty much like Red Cross
  130. [19:26] <vanuu> so u must assemble like.. organization
  131. [19:26] <Wesandeac> john had been involved with many of the top coins but seemed to have not trusted anyone. We tried to after him up but in the end he wanted Satoshis life
  132. [19:27] <KevinBiomech> and update it weekly.
  133. [19:27] <steveomb> @vanuu Earthcoin shouldn't be political. Noone knows whos is the good/bad at crimea
  134. [19:27] <dkwholesales> So how much do you think "John" is holding?
  135. [19:27] <Wesandeac> i disagree it's Red Cross that's too limited with a terrible image
  136. [19:27] <earthcoin> ^ yes
  137. [19:27] <Xanather> lol "wanted satoshis life" xD
  138. [19:27] <Wesandeac> i think john has 90M but have to assume he dumped
  139. [19:27] <cryptozark> I think organization will probably be on Earthcointalk for now on a private #teamearthcoin group
  140. [19:27] <moonshinekiller> Incrypt????
  141. [19:27] * TooLate (5597dce1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.85.151.220.225) has joined #earthcoin
  142. [19:27] <Xanather> it does make sense now
  143. [19:27] <vanuu> @steveomb : im not saying political, im saying about Help
  144. [19:27] <Wesandeac> he said he has not dumped but I have no way to prove that.
  145. [19:28] <cryptozark> I can make it public, but wanted to keep it more focused with people who could actively participate first. People who filled out the "teamearthcoin" form.
  146. [19:28] <Xanather> the 100M he had
  147. [19:28] <cakeonroof> i dont think john is holding anything at the moment. the path hes taking is very clear. develop coins and profit with the premine while their value is avarage or good enough to dump
  148. [19:28] <dkwholesales> I see so John and Earthcoin split the premine right?
  149. [19:28] <earthcoin> we are not 'trying' to be a charity org or limit ourselves just to that or tie ourselves to politics which many charity orgs do *(we've said 'no' to a few now due to this)
  150. [19:28] <Xanather> cant the blockchain be traced?
  151. [19:28] <cakeonroof> which is a good thing
  152. [19:28] <steveomb> isnt there a big risk that eac is seen as political tool then, vanuu?
  153. [19:28] <cryptozark> We can post the addresses that he had sent EAC to for bounties previously
  154. [19:28] <Xanather> cakeonroof how is that a good thing lol?
  155. [19:28] <cakeonroof> good thing is he doesnt have a coin anymore
  156. [19:28] <cakeonroof> no more dumbing
  157. [19:28] <Wesandeac> Norb and I know one another. We have nothing to hide. So maybe the weak link was john and if he dumped 100M coins and fled then great, if he is still around then that's alright too but we have to secure a lead dev now and move on
  158. [19:28] <dkwholesales> Should work.
  159. [19:28] <Xanather> oh right yes
  160. [19:28] <cryptozark> but the current team isn't experienced in doing detective work through the block chain. Maybe someone else can help?
  161. [19:28] <cakeonroof> not the thing hes doing
  162. [19:29] <vanuu> hmmm
  163. [19:29] <KevinBiomech> I'm gonna say that building merchandising is probably more important than charities at this point, as it will make the charitable side more workable.
  164. [19:29] <vanuu> then since out Theme is green
  165. [19:29] <vanuu> we can try support greenpeace
  166. [19:29] <vanuu> *our theme
  167. [19:29] <KevinBiomech> Speaking of which, is Centurion on?
  168. [19:29] <earthcoin> We actually want to get away from the charity thing, they are approaching us and we would like to get into merch/processing/commerce and biz moves
  169. [19:30] <vanuu> or like giving olf village a nice solar light tree , in the name of Earthcoin
  170. [19:30] <dkwholesales> Earthcoin you said you split the 270 with John right?
  171. [19:30] <vanuu> oh
  172. [19:30] <earthcoin> yes
  173. [19:30] <vanuu> hm a bit too late into that , i mean the move
  174. [19:30] <dkwholesales> Ok, and we are unsure what he did with his half, but most likely dumped it on the trend buying right?
  175. [19:30] <KevinBiomech> @earthcoin. I think the charity angle is actually really powerful. Just not quite ready.
  176. [19:30] <Xanather> i feel like john had to know you in some way, why else would he give you half the premine?
  177. [19:31] <vanuu> @earthcoin : if u want to move the coin into other theme.... this gonna be huge rebrand
  178. [19:31] * Wesandeac has quit (Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client)
  179. [19:31] <earthcoin> Well no he definitely did giveaway/bounty at least 30-40M, it's the remaining 100 I'm not sure about atm
  180. [19:31] <Xanather> rebranding/relaunch could be good
  181. [19:31] * Wesandeac (cfdb45ef@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.207.219.69.239) has joined #earthcoin
  182. [19:31] <dkwholesales> Ok, thank you and you have his bounty addresses right?
  183. [19:31] <steveomb> Xanather +1 thought the same
  184. [19:31] <cakeonroof> tell us more about incryptex. if it goes live and gathers a considerable amount of user base even small advertisement about eac/usd in the future could boost things up. its still in development. any ETA? or its not being developed anymore?
  185. [19:32] <earthcoin> Because I launched it with him, branded it, looked after the forum, recruited wes/zark/others/did pretty much everything he couldn't
  186. [19:32] <cryptozark> I like the charity angle as well, but people also have to realize that if the premise is used to support charities, the charities will cash out to BTC->Fiat no matter what the price and then people think it is just someone "dumping"
  187. [19:32] <Wesandeac> Incryptex is another exchange. There has been way too much misinformation
  188. [19:32] <vanuu> @earthcoin @kevinbionmech : yea right? other coin already have purpose like commerce , biz, EAC is a bit too late for that, and what people gonna say when they see our past as a 'charity' like coin moving into business?
  189. [19:32] <earthcoin> He basically put up a post on the forum asking for a brander, and I replied because I did some stuff for doge and quark
  190. [19:32] <Wesandeac> implication was made because EAC/ltc was used on the splash page and rumour grew from there
  191. [19:33] <cryptozark> EAC/USD was used ;-)
  192. [19:33] <cakeonroof> yes and norb used the term from what i remember
  193. [19:33] <Wesandeac> charitues are a nice icing on a cake but real substance for trade must be accomplished.
  194. [19:33] * instantskeleton (d1ca4b82@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.209.202.75.130) has joined #earthcoin
  195. [19:33] <earthcoin> Incryptex is Wes' baby and you guys will see it flourish in the future, right now there is a lot of redtape and regs and incryptex will not be some anon offshore gamble so we can't say much until the journey reaches certain points.
  196. [19:34] <dkwholesales> Do you have the addresses that John used for the bounty?
  197. [19:34] * KevinBiomech has quit (Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client)
  198. [19:34] <Wesandeac> http://earthchain.info/address/ecCVP67wGUtuXRcir3K7d3EYkYfag1i3c4
  199. [19:34] <Wesandeac> Thatsbthe one I have access to
  200. [19:34] <earthcoin> Yeah Zark and I tried to investigate it and couldn't really understand it - even my wallet showed zero before I did the send to self for some reason.
  201. [19:34] <Xanather> whos good at going through blockchains haha
  202. [19:35] <dkwholesales> Yeah
  203. [19:35] <Wesandeac> theres nothing to go through.
  204. [19:35] <earthcoin> Is that Johns address Wes?
  205. [19:35] <vanuu> im trying to think like you and now i also super confused about what to do @earthcoin lol
  206. [19:35] <Wesandeac> im assuming john dumped and that would be great
  207. [19:35] <Wesandeac> no that's mine sorry - bounty
  208. [19:35] <cryptozark> Charity can always be a part of Earthcoin, Just like Charity can be a part of any currency, but the currency also has to be strong and charity alone will not accomplish that.
  209. [19:35] <earthcoin> Let me go find it you guys can inspect
  210. [19:36] * moonshinekiller has quit (Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client)
  211. [19:36] * KevinBiomech (40bca44d@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.64.188.164.77) has joined #earthcoin
  212. [19:36] <dkwholesales> lol
  213. [19:36] <vanuu> @cryptozark @earthcoin : we can try business but in Green things
  214. [19:36] <vanuu> anythign future like
  215. [19:36] <Wesandeac> Charity will be a part but earth coins problem is that it is too encompassing imo
  216. [19:37] * earthcoinwhat (47016645@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.71.1.102.69) has joined #earthcoin
  217. [19:37] <steveomb> So how about setting a poll or kind of a room for voices at Earthcointalk to sum up some new ideas and put all efforts together? In a few weeks earthcoin could be relaunched with huge bounties, transparency and a new way.
  218. [19:37] * hmmph (d1076f13@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.209.7.111.19) has joined #earthcoin
  219. [19:37] <Wesandeac> forst order of business is a full time lead dev.
  220. [19:37] <steveomb> a new way which is not heading to cryptsy...
  221. [19:37] <cryptozark> We set up #teamearthcoin on earthcointalk. SteveoMB, you should have been added
  222. [19:37] <KevinBiomech> sorry guys, I got dropped.
  223. [19:37] <vanuu> not yet, untul earthcoin at least (today) got a bit of structure for new brand/relaunch
  224. [19:38] <Wesandeac> big shoes. John left us good code. We can use that!
  225. [19:38] <KevinBiomech> @ vanuu, a green focus is actually really good merchandising.
  226. [19:38] <steveomb> cryptozark yeah, thank you. But dont we need room for all others?
  227. [19:38] <Xanather> OH, john was the developer of the wallet?
  228. [19:38] <steveomb> I mean an open poll for everyone
  229. [19:38] <vanuu> i and @kevinbiomech looks like have 1 brain , k
  230. [19:38] <Wesandeac> yes john was.
  231. [19:39] <Xanather> i always wondered who made them changes
  232. [19:39] <Ricke> Alright, currently I'm in #teamearthcoin, but I'm yet unable to find the technical talk + ideas. Am I missing topics or..?
  233. [19:39] <cryptozark> I can also make TeamEarthcoin public
  234. [19:39] <earthcoinwhat> what is going on here
  235. [19:39] <cryptozark> Just didn't know if there would be too much "noise" in the conversation.
  236. [19:39] <cryptozark> Sorry. "#teamearthcoin" is not a chatroom but a forum on earthcointalk
  237. [19:40] <KevinBiomech> Well, I'm a good writer. So if y'all want things polished up, or articles written, I am available for that. While I won't turn bounties away, I'm not after them either. I like this coin and want to see it go forward.
  238. [19:40] <Wesandeac> i have a local fella interested and he has been successful in his .8 conversion rather quickly just for learning a sake so he is capable but this is at minimum 2M per month. We are open to others
  239. [19:40] <cryptozark> for people who have registered at http://getearthcoin.com/teamearthcoin.html
  240. [19:40] <cryptozark> I need to put that form on the new site. I haven't had the time yet
  241. [19:41] <earthcoin> Kevin - I think you'd be a great addition to the team
  242. [19:41] <Ricke> @cryptozark, I wasn't talking about the chatroom, but I meant the forum actually :)
  243. [19:41] <Xanather> sucks how "john" did this, when was the last time yous talked to him?
  244. [19:41] <Wesandeac> i already see progress happening here and on the boards. Premine has to be finished with its chat and a new lead dev has to be chosen
  245. [19:41] <Wesandeac> one week ago
  246. [19:41] <KevinBiomech> Hell with "john". He's gone. I don't know any good programmers anymore (twenty years ago...) but it's time to move on.
  247. [19:41] <earthcoinwhat> <--- heavily invested in EAC. i just saw the link on bitcointalk.org and joined. First thing i see is relaunch? whats going on with EAC?
  248. [19:41] <KevinBiomech> Thanks.
  249. [19:42] <earthcoin> The last chat was us getting heated about workload splits and he decided to politely yet bluntly just end communication.
  250. [19:42] <Wesandeac> i appealed to him as best I could but he would not agree to disclosing his wallet or ID and that was unacceptable to Norb and I
  251. [19:42] <Xanather> i see
  252. [19:42] <Xanather> yeah haha id be the same
  253. [19:42] <cryptozark> A couple devs from the earthcoin community have offered to help. Sprocket and Earthshit
  254. [19:42] <KevinBiomech> I also missed this "relaunch" that was mentioned, as I lost the connection for a few minutes. Before I open my big mouth, what's the story there?
  255. [19:43] <Wesandeac> we waited long enough for his disclosure and so at this point I'm assuming he dumped even though he said he did not
  256. [19:43] <vanuu> Earthshit?
  257. [19:43] <cryptozark> and it seemed like John could help guide them, but now John is just not responsive
  258. [19:43] <vanuu> not a good name lol
  259. [19:43] <cryptozark> lol. That's his earthcointalk name
  260. [19:43] <KevinBiomech> I'd suggest he use something else for development work, even though I see and like the humour.
  261. [19:43] <vanuu> -_-
  262. [19:43] <Wesandeac> So premine debate must be rectified and new lead dev are my priorities
  263. [19:44] <hmachado> wow
  264. [19:44] <KevinBiomech> Premine is fairly easy. Post up what you did here on the fora. I do have a couple of interesting ideas for the remainder though.
  265. [19:44] <hmachado> something is happening here :)
  266. [19:45] <Xanather> sucks how bitcointalk doesn't allow giveaways anymore
  267. [19:45] <KevinBiomech> Lead dev I unfortunately can't help with. Wish I could, but my coding skills are almost nonexistent.
  268. [19:45] <Xanather> was a really good way for getting people to install wallets etc...
  269. [19:45] <Wesandeac> Norb feels bad even about bringing mark and I in but I don't hold it against him. That he is here looking for solutions and transparency with his 100M speaks volumes to me
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  271. [19:46] <vanuu> @kevin i only can make Hello world come out LOL
  272. [19:46] <Ricke> In order to have more people using Earthcoin, we should implement more security in the Earthcoin wallet. What do you guys think about that?
  273. [19:46] <Xanather> im pretty good with C# coding, when it comes to C++ im not proficient enough (which is what most crypto's use : / )
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  275. [19:46] <KevinBiomech> I can do a bit more than that, but you wouldn't want to market it :) I was really good at GWbasic once upon a time.
  276. [19:46] * ThatMouse (51cdaa10@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.81.205.170.16) has joined #earthcoin
  277. [19:47] <Wesandeac> its open source of course however the pull requests need someone qualified to confirm
  278. [19:47] <steveomb> I want people to understand that profits come through adoption. I don't want to see this typical cryptsy- 20second-boom again. Thats bullshit and venom for an alt. We need merchants first, then a rising price. ... 75% of the people at bitcointalk complain about profits.
  279. [19:47] <Xanather> i don't blame them
  280. [19:48] <steveomb> i do
  281. [19:48] <Xanather> then again all alts are going down
  282. [19:48] <hmachado> neither do i
  283. [19:48] <Xanather> look at lottocoin lol
  284. [19:48] <vanuu> @steveomb : sadly miner is only mine and dump
  285. [19:48] <cryptozark> BTW, merchants are tricky too. because remember that many merchants may automatically cash out to BTC->fiat no matter what the price
  286. [19:48] <Wesandeac> I'm wondering about se
  287. [19:48] <cryptozark> we need merchants for it to be a currency
  288. [19:48] <Xanather> cryptozark true
  289. [19:48] <vanuu> @steveomb : look Auroracoin , i bet when Airdrop happen, the 31.8 AUR worth almost shit
  290. [19:48] <earthcoin> If you look at cryptsy's homepage, scroll to the market list, and sort by volume - you'll see all the coins that used to have xxx or x,xxx coins now barely break 100
  291. [19:48] <steveomb> If earthcoin claims to be a currency and not an asset, it has to act and behave like a currency.
  292. [19:49] <KevinBiomech> @steveomb Bitcointalk is entertaining but it's also a toxic waste dump. We need to be outside of there a lot more.
  293. [19:49] <cryptozark> yes, I agree.
  294. [19:49] <Wesandeac> im wondering about herding some miners and the community in general around 4B and distributing it to thousands..
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  296. [19:49] <cryptozark> I think we need to expand merchants, but also educate people so they understand why people are selling sac on exchanges no matter what the price
  297. [19:49] <cryptozark> eac*
  298. [19:49] <steveomb> what i asked myself: is there any altcoin except bitcoin which is more a currency than an asset?
  299. [19:49] <Ricke> Alright, bye folks.
  300. [19:50] <earthcoin> Merchants also populate the sell side as they want to get their fiat or btc
  301. [19:50] <steveomb> btw KevinBiomech yeah. bitcointalk is trash
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  303. [19:50] <cryptozark> We have a merchant strategy which I will post on Earthcointalk
  304. [19:50] <Wesandeac> atx was the most unique in creating buy side demand
  305. [19:50] <KevinBiomech> If the currency is moving, exchange isn't that big of a deal. If ten thousand people want it and 1000 have it, even if a lot of it goes through exchanges it still will raise the value. Also, shops like Earthazaar are a HUGE boon, even if the coins get exchanged.
  306. [19:51] <vanuu> the problem with all this currency is.. people wont care about if they all sell , the coin dead, this all mined by them, they all want $ , if in 3D world, the $ is make by government, thats why the price dont just go down and down
  307. [19:51] <cakeonroof> creating interest and marketing must be the prio. without that eac cant handle miners and merchants
  308. [19:51] <steveomb> but that doesnt make earthcoin a currency. even bitcoin is not a currency, so maybe, IF this is really a longterm-thing we need to change some things
  309. [19:51] * hugeloss (47016645@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.71.1.102.69) has joined #earthcoin
  310. [19:51] <cryptozark> But we also need people active on bitointalk to win polls for example
  311. [19:52] <KevinBiomech> @cakeonroof. Yep. All of these elements need to come together. Is 24Kilo here? He had some great ideas early on.
  312. [19:52] <Xanather> i think john's premine needs to be investiaged first, if it hasn't been dumped yet then we likely have a issue
  313. [19:52] <Wesandeac> No way to investigate it
  314. [19:52] <KevinBiomech> Oh, I'll be on bitcointalk. It's kind of nice being seen as the sane one :D Not something I'm used to.
  315. [19:53] <cryptozark> What do you think are the biggest hurdles to creating interest at the moment?
  316. [19:53] <cryptozark> EAC used to win all the polls we entered, but that is not the case anymore.
  317. [19:53] <hmachado> I think that if the diff retarget doesnt change, and if some kinda of n-factor is not implemented, EAC will be raped again if it gains any value. Asics are out there, its not like 3 months ago
  318. [19:53] <KevinBiomech> @Xanather, I would assume it's gone, write it off, and screw it. We now know where the rest is.
  319. [19:53] <Wesandeac> i know he has approximately 90M. Or at least had it at one point.
  320. [19:53] <Wesandeac> but the point is we are still here and have the rest of it!
  321. [19:53] <cryptozark> BTW, Some people were wondering if the devs were doing anything. Wes was heavily involved on the merchant side in the last couple months.
  322. [19:53] <KevinBiomech> @wes, yes, exactly.
  323. [19:53] <earthcoin> Actually, Wes, can you post the address he sent you the last bounty from?
  324. [19:54] <Xanather> i was talking about lookingat the blockchain
  325. [19:54] <Wesandeac> shit I can when I get home sorry
  326. [19:54] <cryptozark> Also, I think the android wallet was a huge part of the physical merchant plan
  327. [19:54] <vanuu> @cryptozark : want big hurdles to create an up move? well u can turn on tv or read news and thats all the target for EAc lol
  328. [19:54] <KevinBiomech> I actually think that if you guys make a post detailing what you've told us here, interest will resume. A lot of the early adopters are afraid to pick up the gauntlet because of the premine.
  329. [19:54] <Xanather> isnt that the whole point of a public ledger system? lol, im sure experienced people could find out that question easy
  330. [19:55] <earthcoin> Yeah that's one thing about this journey that's been very trying, the apps :(
  331. [19:55] <cryptozark> but that was *heavily* delayed
  332. [19:55] <cryptozark> It is pretty much ready now. latest beta posted to bitcointalk and earthcoin talk
  333. [19:55] <cryptozark> the iPhone developer vanished....
  334. [19:55] <cryptozark> kitkat007 used to be here on the irc channel too
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  336. [19:55] <cryptozark> (that dev)
  337. [19:55] <KevinBiomech> I haven't tried the android wallet yet. I will, either today or tomorrow.
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  339. [19:56] <cryptozark> There is just a small issue with chinese and he has been coding up some exclusives to our wallet since it has been delayed so long.
  340. [19:56] <cryptozark> sorry guys. I have to run (my day job beckons and need to leave the house!)
  341. [19:56] <Xanather> see ya
  342. [19:56] <earthcoin> Thanks for your input Zark
  343. [19:56] <cryptozark> But please keep it going.
  344. [19:56] <KevinBiomech> To me, from a practical standpoint, the quick transactions are a HUGE marketing point. This coin could be used at brick and mortar merchants without third parties.
  345. [19:56] <steveomb> we mustnt copy good coins like worldcoin or peercoin. they have hundreds of devs, WAY bigger communities and still dont succeed. Only the newand fresh-alts live for a few days, than die slowly. like quark... shouldnt we go a new way? I will start a discussion about that at ECT
  346. [19:57] <KevinBiomech> Thanks Zark. See you later!
  347. [19:57] <Wesandeac> Well I is all irrelevant without a lead dev
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  349. [19:57] <cryptozark> I had put a call out for devs but they are much harder to find than one would think!
  350. [19:57] <steveomb> cryptozark bye
  351. [19:57] <vanuu> @kevin yeah but transaction for what? think about the what
  352. [19:57] <cryptozark> BTW ,SteveoMB, it was you and your roadmap that got me inspired to do stuff for the Earthcoin team ;-)
  353. [19:58] <tarpo> Why did the main dev John leave the team?
  354. [19:58] <steveomb> Wesandeac I think an idea is more important than a maindev. even if you get a new dev. what will he code? incryptex?
  355. [19:58] <Wesandeac> He did not want to give Norb and I his ID
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  357. [19:58] <Xanather> apparently he disappeared lol
  358. [19:58] <steveomb> cryptozark well, ty :) glad to hear that
  359. [19:59] <Wesandeac> John and Norb had a moment of extreme diaagreement
  360. [19:59] <KevinBiomech> @vanuu. Everything. One of the big obstacles for BTC is the slow transaction time. I can't buy a beer with it, directly.
  361. [19:59] <earthcoin> Because he couldn't handle the heat when push came to shove re workload splits, debates, and anonymity among the internal team.
  362. [19:59] <Xanather> what did you use to communicate with him?
  363. [19:59] <Wesandeac> Earthcoin - yes
  364. [19:59] <Wesandeac> Skype
  365. [19:59] <tarpo> About what if I may ask?
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  367. [19:59] <Wesandeac> John wanted his name and wallet private
  368. [20:00] <Xanather> skype publicly shows IP addesses
  369. [20:00] <Wesandeac> John isn't even his name. He's Chinese.
  370. [20:00] <tarpo> and that was the only reason he quit?
  371. [20:00] <KevinBiomech> Even internally? That seems paranoid even to me. Wallet I can understand, but name?
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  373. [20:00] <steveomb> KevinBiomech They are going to use a paypal-clone for instantpayment. this andreas p... the greek, dunno his right name... was interviewed and said that bitcoin is fast enough with that
  374. [20:00] <Xanather> do you still have him added? O_o
  375. [20:01] <KevinBiomech> Yeah, I know. But it's a third party system. Not a bad thing, but EAC could do it direct. Like cash.
  376. [20:01] <Wesandeac> Yes it never say right with Norb and I. He was talented but the workloads were not shared by a long shot
  377. [20:01] <earthcoin> I'm not after his blood, and will respect him, and will not hunt him or ask anyone to, but it came to a point where zark, wes, and I are working tons of hrs while he did checkpoints on the wallet and checked in once a week.
  378. [20:02] <steveomb> Wesandeac So his premine would be obsolet if we forked the blockchain for n-scrypt? (just an idea)
  379. [20:02] <tarpo> How much of the premine does he have?
  380. [20:02] <Xanather> i know but the majority of the community would feel otherwise :P
  381. [20:02] <Wesandeac> He had 90M I am assuming he dumped and moved on.
  382. [20:02] <tarpo> ok thanks
  383. [20:02] <vanuu> @kevibio : if u want that kind of scale, well u need to contact like Redbull , Heineken
  384. [20:03] <Wesandeac> He said he didn't dump but no way to prove that
  385. [20:03] <tarpo> so how are we going to attract other crypto devs?
  386. [20:03] <Wesandeac> with 1.6B coins it's not that big of a deal as of now imo
  387. [20:03] <Xanather> true
  388. [20:04] <KevinBiomech> @vanuu, that would help from the backend. From the front, we need places like 7-11, Target, Walmart... And it's probably doable. Also local merchants.
  389. [20:04] * Ricke (541fa33d@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.84.31.163.61) has joined #earthcoin
  390. [20:04] <earthcoin> and we just didn't get along once this was out - we even talked internally about how to motivate him. Doing a new wallet was too much work to justify rewards for him, his English is poor so he couldn't contribute much re writing, and couldn't find other ways to contribute (or didn't want to, I can think of a lot for him to do but it was all negated
  391. [20:04] <earthcoin> ). I think if it was up to him, both him and I would just remain really quiet/anon and not bring in more ppl.
  392. [20:04] <steveomb> we dont need to attract others if the system, the idea gets better
  393. [20:04] <Wesandeac> I'm wondering about pooling assets that might reach 500M and spreading them out in a contest of distribution to new users? Hehe
  394. [20:04] <Ricke> t
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  396. [20:04] <vanuu> @kevinmech: we can make this EAC brand like 'official' coin for planet earth
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  398. [20:05] <pieterpost> Good evening.
  399. [20:05] <Xanather> earthcoin alright np
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  401. [20:05] <pieterpost> Are they gone already or still here?
  402. [20:05] <KevinBiomech> I'm an anarchist. The word "official" bugs me :D but yes, that's my thought. And it being so down right now is actually a bit of an advantage. Nowhere to go but up.
  403. [20:06] <KevinBiomech> @peterpost Zark has to go to work. The rest are still here.
  404. [20:06] <vanuu> you guys have facebook? why not create group, when this chat over, we can continue in fb group and eac forum of course
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  406. [20:06] <Xanather> getting a experienced C++ developer who has dealt with cryptos before will probably be difficult yes
  407. [20:06] <tarpo> so all the secondary and tertiary infrastructure is coming along, the real problem seems to be its primary service developer base
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  410. [20:06] <Wesandeac> That and proliferation.
  411. [20:07] <pieterpost> Alright. My question is: How do you guys (developers) communicate? In my opinion IRC isn't that effective with so many people.
  412. [20:07] <vanuu> @kevin err...anarc.. im following the samurai way (except for the suicide one lol) , so i dont like anarc , hate you kevin lol kidding
  413. [20:07] <Wesandeac> being low on the coin market cap sure doesn't help bring more people in
  414. [20:07] <tarpo> just going by eac bounties is not going to do it in my opinion
  415. [20:07] <KevinBiomech> @earthcoin/Wes et. al. I was thinking of a lottery for some of the premine, plastered all over the internet. Easy promo to do.
  416. [20:07] <pieterpost> !help
  417. [20:07] <tarpo> we need a broader strategy that arttracts the right people
  418. [20:07] <steveomb> KevinBiomech sry but... dozens of coins did that before
  419. [20:07] <Wesandeac> We communicate internally on Skype and assemble teams that way
  420. [20:08] <earthcoin> Kevin I think we'll get you into our skype chats if you want to take some of the premine and help out directly.
  421. [20:08] <pieterpost> Alright, that sounds good Wes.
  422. [20:08] <Wesandeac> IMO a significant portion of premine will go to funding the work efforts of a dev team.
  423. [20:08] <Wesandeac> doled out monthly is assume
  424. [20:08] <vanuu> @steveomb : like kevin said in 1 of his idea, he want the coin can buy beer directly
  425. [20:09] <vanuu> @steve: thats big biggg... thing if u try to make like that
  426. [20:09] <KevinBiomech> I'm down with that. PM me on bitcointalk. Don't have skype set up right now, but that's just do to a recent reinstall of windows. I'll have it up tomorrow.
  427. [20:09] <earthcoin> We need more leaders, this is unfortunately way too big of a task for this small team now missing their dev, and I'm not trying to be the leader I'm hoping to be among many of them as it's a lot of weight even proving this premine stuff and taking the threats I've been getting lately.
  428. [20:09] <tarpo> What are the 3most important features missing for earthcoin?
  429. [20:09] <earthcoin> leaders, leaders, a dev
  430. [20:10] <Wesandeac> distribution, app (almost done) coordination
  431. [20:10] <KevinBiomech> Adoption, real world exchange, and ecommerce sites.
  432. [20:10] <vanuu> @steve : so imagine like this EAC is like google wallet that can buy things directly in real life
  433. [20:10] <tarpo> no I mean from a technical pov
  434. [20:10] <KevinBiomech> @Vanuu yes, that's part of what I'm talking about.
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  436. [20:10] <steveomb> earthcoin i could be helpful for the german sector. My businessenglish is not good enough... i could look for coder at my university.
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  438. [20:11] <vanuu> @kevin this idea is too big , i even cant think wheres to start, if we want go that way
  439. [20:11] <earthcoin> new wallet (being worked on/done?) with new ui/tech abilities/what's outlined in our dev callout thread, the apps being officially out, and I still think a viral game ( a real game ) could be a hit for the coin if it's executed right.
  440. [20:11] * PREMINE (c676c6d2@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.198.118.198.210) has joined #earthcoin
  441. [20:11] <pieterpost> What is your opinion about securing the wallet more? Currently, with the password system only I don't think it will reach the broader public.
  442. [20:11] <Wesandeac> I think a rebranded wallet like a flag is very important but again that comes down to dev. As well some positive PR would help.
  443. [20:11] <vanuu> @earthcoin : can i bcome your 'thinker' team? :D
  444. [20:12] <KevinBiomech> @peterpost, I'm not technical enough to know, but it seems about the same as BitcoinQT, and that's not easy to break.
  445. [20:12] <PREMINE> where is teh premines
  446. [20:12] <Wesandeac> Right here.
  447. [20:12] <KevinBiomech> Yer late.
  448. [20:12] <vanuu> my 21 years old life full of future idea and no place to throw the idea
  449. [20:12] <PREMINE> how much was dumped on crypsy
  450. [20:12] <vanuu> or respected (my idea)
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  452. [20:13] <steveomb> PREMINE you are late... that has been discussed.
  453. [20:13] <earthcoin> You're a little late - hopefully someone is going to transcribe and you can review.
  454. [20:13] <PREMINE> i think the best thing the devs can do is buy all the EAC on exchanges to bring the price up
  455. [20:13] <KevinBiomech> @PREMINE. Apparently none, though possibly some from the lead dev who abandoned the game. The others posted their blockchain addys a bit ago.
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  457. [20:13] <Wesandeac> Thanks. I have $10M USD, I was thinking of using it to buy all the EAC I can?
  458. [20:14] <Xanather> PREMINE, scroll up and read it all
  459. [20:14] * hmmmmmm is now known as Guest13423
  460. [20:14] <vanuu> @kevin : 8 years ago i make a concrete like mix for wall or anythign using trash and other thing mixed into one and no one care, 3 years ago i see an India man got famous for that idea
  461. [20:14] <PREMINE> cant scroll up to what i wasnt here to see, genius
  462. [20:14] <Xanather> PREMINE, nvm, there will probably be a transcript later
  463. [20:14] <vanuu> @wes you have whaaaaaaaaaa
  464. [20:14] <KevinBiomech> @earthcoin, I have family things to deal with, but y'all have set my mind at ease and got me fired up again. PM me as I asked earlier. I'm more than willing to help in any way I can.
  465. [20:14] <Wesandeac> It was a joke
  466. [20:14] <Xanather> i realized heh, i just disabled user joining/leaving messages so couldnt tell
  467. [20:14] <Wesandeac> but I do actually command about 60M on a good day in USD
  468. [20:14] <PREMINE> wes has 10M... plot twist... on MTGOX lololol
  469. [20:14] <KevinBiomech> Good to talk to everybody. Have a great day. Gotta go in a couple minutes.
  470. [20:15] <earthcoin> Cheers kevin I'll PM you shortly.
  471. [20:15] <Wesandeac> I lost 4.3M USD on Gox.
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  473. [20:15] <earthcoin> Actually you have no idea premine, we lost a lot at gox
  474. [20:15] <Xanather> :(
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  476. [20:15] <PREMINE> why in the world would you put anything on GOX? that seems very poor judgement
  477. [20:16] <earthcoin> We'd like to turn this around for a bit - if this was your coin - what would YOU be doing right now?
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  479. [20:16] <Xanather> killing john
  480. [20:16] <Xanather> im joking haha
  481. [20:16] <PREMINE> i didnt even start bitcoin until novemebr, and even i knew to avoid gox...
  482. [20:16] <Wesandeac> Haha
  483. [20:16] <earthcoin> haha
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  485. [20:16] <vanuu> @earthcoin : im already putting trying to give idea
  486. [20:16] <pieterpost> I would be improving the security of the transactions and make it the safest altcoin out there.
  487. [20:17] <Wesandeac> John had a different perspective. Norb and I went into this a little naive. We thought we could help people in a way create something...
  488. [20:17] <Xanather> pieterpost what is there to improve in security?
  489. [20:17] <earthcoin> I think we still can, but I won't be naive to think I know how
  490. [20:17] <KevinBiomech> Mutter. I see IRC is just as (un)stable as it was in the late 90s. I will see y'all later. May have missed a few things on the last drop.
  491. [20:17] <vanuu> @wes wait wait
  492. [20:17] <tarpo> I would sharpen the earthcoin strategy of being a "human friendly cryptocoin"
  493. [20:17] <vanuu> @wes you mean the dev think to go left way and u go right way?
  494. [20:17] <PREMINE> so outside of "lets do something" do you devs have? because that's all you've posted on the forums
  495. [20:18] <Xanather> we need a new main developer
  496. [20:18] <Xanather> PREMINE
  497. [20:18] <pieterpost> Xanather. Currently, we only have the password verification for the transaction. A password is something static until you decide to change it manually. -> If someone intercepts your wallet.dat and brute-forces your password. Then you're screwed.
  498. [20:18] <pieterpost> At least, that's how I see it now.
  499. [20:19] <Wesandeac> Well thankfully we now have sourced leaders through our journey. People willing to sacrifice time to build EAC, so directing those minds and efforts is a goal
  500. [20:19] <PREMINE> directing those minds to do what exactly?
  501. [20:19] <tarpo> devs will come also, IF the concept is good and there is a significant community that wants that concept to become real
  502. [20:19] <steveomb> earthcoin. do you want to make a good asset like the 140 coins we already have or do you plan to make a real currency?
  503. [20:20] <KevinBiomech> The Real world calls. Good day, ladies and gents.
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  505. [20:20] <PREMINE> ?
  506. [20:20] <Wesandeac> Direct web design, wallet development, security, merchant adoption and still looking for a marketing team. I really underestimated marketing for sure!
  507. [20:21] <tarpo> most cryptocoins have NO real concept behind them beyond some very small / local vision
  508. [20:21] <earthcoin> I don't have an answer to that, frankly all plans in this niche have untapped results and irrational moves. I planned on never letting it hit below 100 sat and the team tried hard to make that happen including hard money.
  509. [20:22] <steveomb> but if you relaunch this and do all the stuff like worldcoin and the 120349081 clones, you wont succeed. I mean. where is the difference?
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  511. [20:22] <vanuu> yeap
  512. [20:22] <tarpo> the difference has to come from being inclusive, human friendly, etc. that will be the coin that will be used in the end
  513. [20:22] <vanuu> you have great name
  514. [20:22] <vanuu> you have great vision before
  515. [20:22] <Wesandeac> No relaunching for sure. Justo comg forward.
  516. [20:22] <steveomb> :) the name is sooooo unimportant...
  517. [20:22] <vanuu> with the name you can be the coin for planet earth
  518. [20:23] <Wesandeac> In theory but that's a huge job.
  519. [20:23] <vanuu> now think if this coin is MMM
  520. [20:23] <tarpo> yes, its name is a real strength
  521. [20:23] <vanuu> the name
  522. [20:23] <vanuu> its sucks
  523. [20:23] <vanuu> everythign is important
  524. [20:23] <Wesandeac> We need to find a merchant/marketing team that works hand in hand with e-commerce sotes
  525. [20:23] <steveomb> you need real fucking magic to win against the alts we have or against bitcoin.
  526. [20:23] <pieterpost> The name is not unimportant. I mean.. In real life. Which real investor would want to invest in poopfartshitheadcoin? (For example)
  527. [20:23] <vanuu> even the smallest detail
  528. [20:23] <earthcoin> Does anybody have any questions? I have about 15min here (may return a bit later after my meeting)
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  530. [20:24] <vanuu> @steve we need IDEA , BIG
  531. [20:24] <Wesandeac> however you have to find exclusivity to create a buy side demand for EAC. Like you "can't do this" unless you have EAC....
  532. [20:24] <vanuu> @steve and join forces with big company
  533. [20:24] <sprocket> hey all
  534. [20:24] <sprocket> late for the show here
  535. [20:25] <Wesandeac> Hey!
  536. [20:25] <vanuu> @earthcoin, wheres the official eac forum bot this? i cant find it @_@
  537. [20:25] <earthcoin> There's our potential new dev now
  538. [20:25] <sprocket> who, me?
  539. [20:25] <sprocket> :)
  540. [20:25] <tjs> Wes thats why i viral game is a cool idea to start you need eac to play.
  541. [20:25] <vanuu> @sproket errr yes? rite? lol
  542. [20:25] <Xanather> Incryptex + professional AAA exchange + EAC/USD, EAC/BTC, EAC/LTC, EAC/allotheralts = profit
  543. [20:25] <earthcoin> vanuu official forum?
  544. [20:25] <sprocket> vanuu: hah, sure, why not!
  545. [20:26] <Wesandeac> One of the big items on the agenda is finding g out new lead dev sprocket
  546. [20:26] <sprocket> ah, gotcha
  547. [20:26] <sprocket> wesandeac: i'm certainly capable of doing dev, however, i am relatively constrained by time
  548. [20:26] <vanuu> @earthcoin , the earthcointalk forum u talk about,i cant find it, earthcointeam rite?
  549. [20:26] <earthcoin> earthcointalk.org
  550. [20:26] <sprocket> so i'm not going to lead dev position, though i'm happy to be contributing dev
  551. [20:27] <earthcoin> Sprocket, perhaps you + someone else can share lead - I'd actually like to talk about what that means because we may have to fork it as far as I'm told?
  552. [20:27] <steveomb> Wesandeac im not an economist, but a geograph. And what I know is that this world doesnt need more altcoinclones but a good strategy. a new way to support people. I think its better to avoid all advertisements and think about a better way to use this well designed brand.
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  554. [20:27] <sprocket> earthcoin: sure.
  555. [20:28] <sprocket> earthcoin: i'm probably somewhat out of the loop being late to the party, but why the fork?
  556. [20:28] <earthcoin> What is involved with a fork if we upgrade to the new wallet tech?
  557. [20:28] <earthcoin> (we'll need to if we go to .8 or whatever, yes?)
  558. [20:28] <sprocket> ah, ok, new wallet stuff
  559. [20:28] <sprocket> gotcha
  560. [20:28] <tjs> We need an untapped market. Podcasting is hudge many sell merch and take donations to support their shows. Would be great to have them accept eac abf it could be promoted on their show
  561. [20:29] <sprocket> tjs: is this a brainstorm for earthcoin niche's?
  562. [20:30] <vanuu> think about join forces with big and main company , someone with the mouth of leonardo dicaprio should contact them , try to merged eac as new way of payment or something
  563. [20:30] <steveomb> to be honest. i think that all you guys want to make profit to clear your losses. that way earthcoin will die a little bit later but will die for sure
  564. [20:30] <vanuu> @sprocket : we re trying to make the new EAC (vision , way, business, how , all u can think)
  565. [20:30] <sprocket> vanuu: can i add a suggestion?
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  567. [20:31] <sprocket> dumb question
  568. [20:31] <sprocket> of course i can
  569. [20:31] <vanuu> @steveomb : I EVEN DONT HAVE EACIN MY WALLET
  570. [20:31] <Wesandeac> Sprocket you up for a big responsibility to become the lead dev for EAC?
  571. [20:31] <tarpo> question / idea: what if we reworked the whole idea of EAC addressess (one or more can be added) to an identity in the infratrstructure of the coin and then used that identity for various functions: trust, social networking, etc.?
  572. [20:32] <tarpo> that would make cryptocoins much easier to use for normal humans
  573. [20:32] <sprocket> wesandeac: i'm very hesitant - i run a farm and we're going into farming season. i'm already looking at 80hr+ weeks until fall, and i don't want to commit to something i'm not going to be able to contribute to beneficially and timely
  574. [20:32] <tjs> Yeah podcasting is taking off. Eac could maybe have a show accept an eac donation than start delling merchandise for eac aswell. Could snowball
  575. [20:33] <Wesandeac> totally hear that @sprocket
  576. [20:33] <vanuu> i dream i can make something for this human race by any mean, and by this , i can share my thought, bcause this 20 years i like talking to myself , i have vision about future hat 90% of my friends never think/care
  577. [20:33] <vanuu> how dare u think like that
  578. [20:34] <TxT_> Great to see some talk in this channel :)
  579. [20:35] <Wesandeac> theres talk ;) trying to get some action hehe
  580. [20:36] <TxT_> It always starts with a plan (talking).
  581. [20:36] <Wesandeac> yes communication has not been good even internally
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  583. [20:36] <vanuu> @stevebomb : but u know i bet 50% other people in here , that said like 'maybe u can try promotion so price can go up' or somethign like that is really the one u describe
  584. [20:36] <Wesandeac> pur dev did not agree with transparency hehe
  585. [20:36] <tarpo> I see all these machine addresses flying by and they mean nothing to people and even scare them. With real identifyers/names a lot more becomes possible imho.
  586. [20:36] <Xanather> welp is 2:30AM here should go to bed goodbye everyone
  587. [20:36] <vanuu> @stevebomb and thats not me
  588. [20:37] <Wesandeac> see you
  589. [20:37] <earthcoin> I have to get going - I hope you guys have a better understanding of why we were reluctant to communicate as much recently and you're mind is at ease seeing the premine disclosure. Thank you everyone for not ripping our heads off or sending more threats today - while I don't have the answers I did go into this with a clear conscience and will conti
  590. [20:37] <earthcoin> nue to try to do what I can/enable anyone I can do help the brand grow.
  591. [20:37] <steveomb> guys I'm out. norb, wes... dont get me wrong. I like the earthcoin idea. I understand that you are heavy guys and look for a new opportunity, but this is the wrong way. You two are trying to build a new asset for daytrading or whatever. I dont see efforts to built a real currency or something NEW. Earthcoin will be listet between 123 others but doe
  592. [20:37] <steveomb> snt make a difference.
  593. [20:38] <tjs> Thanks for the time earthcoin. Appreciated.
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  595. [20:38] <earthcoin> I won't argue that, we're trying to do whatever we can to enable the community and the coin/brand we're open minded and this cannot rest on just two or four people.
  596. [20:39] <vanuu> @earthcoin : is steveomb part of ur 'management' team?
  597. [20:39] <vanuu> i mean eac team
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  599. [20:40] <earthcoin> Not officially but he may as well be - same with centurion, the atxsilver guy, 24kilo, and I'm missing a good 20 people that are amazing brand ambassadors so in a way yes indirectly he is.
  600. [20:40] <vanuu> a meeting for new EAC can just go liek 2-3 hours, in real world, this can go like 24 hours in table
  601. [20:40] <vanuu> *cant go
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  603. [20:41] <vanuu> @earthcoin : aha ok
  604. [20:41] <earthcoin> Have a great night everyone talk to you guys again soon. :)
  605. [20:41] <tjs> Later
  606. [20:41] <vanuu> just keep it updated in all EAC forum so i can join Sir/madam
  607. [20:41] <vanuu> maybe Sir
  608. [20:41] <vanuu> lol
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  610. [20:41] <earthcoin> :) Ciao and thanks again!
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  612. [20:41] <steveomb> bye
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  615. [20:42] <vanuu> hmm..
  616. [20:42] <vanuu> party time?
  617. [20:42] <tarpo> "jetzt machen wir party"
  618. [20:42] <steveomb> als ob
  619. [20:43] <slyA> this is going to be fun
  620. [20:43] <steveomb> sly you are late
  621. [20:43] <steveomb> devs are gone for 30s
  622. [20:43] <dd> Did we miss anything good ?
  623. [20:43] <slyA> aww man.
  624. [20:43] <lolik> late?
  625. [20:43] <vanuu> you missed, all
  626. [20:43] <vanuu> lol
  627. [20:43] <steveomb> they told everyone about the premine
  628. [20:43] <lolik> :D
  629. [20:43] <vanuu> but we will do it again
  630. [20:43] <slyA> what happened?
  631. [20:43] <dd> Yeah i figured we missed it all but still :)
  632. [20:43] <tjs> Thats all folks
  633. [20:43] <steveomb> 270 was premined
  634. [20:44] <tjs> Im sure there will be a transcript
  635. [20:44] <vanuu> split in 2
  636. [20:44] <steveomb> 90 is gone because maindev john is gone
  637. [20:44] <steveomb> a chinese guy with bad englishskills
  638. [20:44] <dd> Gone to where ?
  639. [20:44] <slyA> lol 1/3rd of premine vnished?
  640. [20:44] <steveomb> just gone
  641. [20:44] <lolik> to pocket :D
  642. [20:44] <vanuu> so John is a chinese guy
  643. [20:44] <steveomb> they had a different pov
  644. [20:44] <dd> Ok, fuck john, anything else ? :)
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  646. [20:44] <steveomb> they apologized
  647. [20:45] <steveomb> they postet the addresse of the left premine
  648. [20:45] <tjs> Looking for a new main dev
  649. [20:45] <slyA> cool.
  650. [20:45] <vanuu> we are discussing the next step for EAC, relaunch maybe
  651. [20:45] <tarpo> how is the 180 split between the team?
  652. [20:45] <tarpo> 90/90?
  653. [20:45] <lolik> realunch another pump and dump?
  654. [20:45] <steveomb> if you want to participate, go into earthcointalk and ask cryptozark. then you can be a part... slyA
  655. [20:46] <slyA> I reckon it was split 3 ways
  656. [20:46] <vanuu> @lolik people that participate here before dont want pump and dump
  657. [20:46] <lolik> i know, me too
  658. [20:46] <slyA> I just mught steve.
  659. [20:46] <dd> Hodl 4 ever tbh
  660. [20:46] <steveomb> be critical as ever.
  661. [20:46] <vanuu> @lolik 1 idea is like making EAC the thing u can buy beer directly in real world like google wallet
  662. [20:46] <steveomb> :)
  663. [20:47] <dd> Well if that happends, im not holding, im buying beer for me coins :)
  664. [20:47] <lolik> direct trade would be great
  665. [20:47] <slyA> Nah Steve. I've said all I wanted to say. I told people when EAC was still 70 satoshi.
  666. [20:47] <steveomb> I mean this whole idea is worst if eac becomes like worldcoin, peercoin or nextcoin.
  667. [20:47] <tarpo> the question is still what people want EAC to stand for regardless of the broken team and premine
  668. [20:47] <steveomb> it is a big cryptocurrency, but without any meaning
  669. [20:47] <steveomb> good for daytrading bad for the people
  670. [20:47] <slyA> What EAC needs is fork. There are 2nd gen cryptos out now. EAC can't compete.
  671. [20:47] <BitCrazE> did they say whats going on with incryptex?
  672. [20:47] <vanuu> but earthcoin think this > guys I'm out. norb, wes... dont get me wrong. I like the earthcoin idea. I understand that you are heavy guys and look for a new opportunity, but this is the wrong way. You two are trying to build a new asset for daytrading or whatever. I dont see efforts to built a real currency or something NEW. Earthcoin will be listet
  673. [20:47] <vanuu> between 123 others but doe
  674. [20:47] <steveomb> i will write an article to discuss this stuff at earthcointalk.
  675. [20:47] <tarpo> name is excellent, thats a good start. The coin works ok now, thats a good start.
  676. [20:48] <dd> +1 on the name
  677. [20:48] <lolik> and the cycles and bonus days
  678. [20:48] <vanuu> he think i/other talking for business, well other maybe yes, but im not
  679. [20:48] <steveomb> vanuu. quote me u fucker :D
  680. [20:49] <vanuu> im talking like replace USD with EAC
  681. [20:49] <tarpo> ...and there are already a lot of coins out there, that is needed if we want this coin to be in the hands of normal people.
  682. [20:49] <vanuu> and @stevebomb think i just say ALL this for money
  683. [20:49] <vanuu> But... i even dont have EAC in my wallet
  684. [20:49] <steveomb> well played
  685. [20:49] <vanuu> so i pre giving my ideas
  686. [20:49] <vanuu> *pure
  687. [20:50] <tarpo> what do people think of the identity idea (instead of just an EAC address)?
  688. [20:50] <vanuu> to make this old world to future
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  690. [20:50] <vanuu> identity idea wat? explain please
  691. [20:50] <tarpo> that would make the coin really stand out in my opinion for normal people
  692. [20:51] <tarpo> "question / idea: what if we reworked the whole idea of EAC addressess (one or more can be added) to an identity in the infratrstructure of the coin and then used that identity for various functions: trust, social networking, etc.? "
  693. [20:51] <tarpo> "I see all these machine addresses flying by and they mean nothing to people and even scare them. With real identifyers/names a lot more becomes possible imho."
  694. [20:51] <steveomb> guys im out. If you want to discuss things, come to earthcointalk.
  695. [20:51] <steveomb> byebye
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  698. [20:52] <vanuu> @tarpo : please continue , copy paste that in earthcointalk.org Forum
  699. [20:52] <vanuu> all u said
  700. [20:52] <lolik> im gonna join earthcointalk
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  702. [20:52] <vanuu> everyone , continue in earthcointalk.org Forum, with tittle of... err... just search lol
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  705. [20:53] <tjs> Support earthcointalk.org and upvote on reddit
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  708. [20:54] <vanuu> https://earthcointalk.org/forums/topic/earthcoin-needs-you-to-help-it-grow/
  709. [20:55] <tarpo> I will post something later vanuu have to go for now (work work work)
  710. [20:55] <vanuu> and see https://earthcointalk.org/forums/forum/earthcoin-discussion-forums/earthcoin-discussion/
  711. [20:55] <vanuu> @tarpo ok
  712. [20:55] <vanuu> thx
  713. [20:55] <vanuu> :)
  714. [20:55] <vanuu> im off too
  715. [20:55] <vanuu> so i will leave this tooo.. ghost
  716. [20:55] <vanuu> ~
  717. [20:55] <tarpo> later all
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  741. [21:22] <dsads> im in time?
  742. [21:22] <dsads> are the devs here?
  743. [21:22] <hmmph> nope, go to earthcointalk.org
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