6:43 PM - Cturix Le Jizzniggles: aaaand arguing with maarc doesnt help
6:45 PM - Cturix Le Jizzniggles: and i think i broke her.
6:45 PM - Cturix Le Jizzniggles: fuck my life
6:45 PM - Ze Überwaffle: wot
6:52 PM - Cturix Le Jizzniggles: shes telling me not to use sounds because they're buggy
6:52 PM - Cturix Le Jizzniggles: im like
6:52 PM - Cturix Le Jizzniggles: how are they buggy
6:52 PM - Cturix Le Jizzniggles: she practically repeats herself on the fact that they're buggy and i shouldnt use them
6:52 PM - Ze Überwaffle: so... maybe that's her point?
6:52 PM - Ze Überwaffle: maybe they're buggy as hell for the server
6:52 PM - Ze Überwaffle: so dont use them?
6:53 PM - Cturix Le Jizzniggles: or for everyone or whatever
6:53 PM - Cturix Le Jizzniggles: what she doesnt seem to get
6:53 PM - Cturix Le Jizzniggles: is the fact that i make pacs
6:53 PM - Cturix Le Jizzniggles: because i make sounds
6:53 PM - Cturix Le Jizzniggles: make or find
6:53 PM - Cturix Le Jizzniggles: whatever, sounds are the foundation of my pacs
6:53 PM - Ze Überwaffle: but ctur, she cant appreciate those sounds if they're buggy as hell and annoying
6:54 PM - Cturix Le Jizzniggles: i just thought of something
6:54 PM - Cturix Le Jizzniggles: it was probably blasting in everyones ears because the sounds were loading...
6:54 PM - Ze Überwaffle: pacs with sounds aren't always the best of things tho
6:54 PM - Ze Überwaffle: if it's just a few sounds then that's fine, it could make the pac even better
6:54 PM - Cturix Le Jizzniggles: its the only thing im good at
6:55 PM - Cturix Le Jizzniggles: effects and sounds..
6:55 PM - Ze Überwaffle: but if it's enough to cause a loud screech for everyone
6:55 PM - Ze Überwaffle: it's too much
6:55 PM - Cturix Le Jizzniggles: well apart from when the pac loads
6:55 PM - Cturix Le Jizzniggles: it SHOULD be fine
6:55 PM - Cturix Le Jizzniggles: but nooo
6:55 PM - Cturix Le Jizzniggles: people still complain
6:55 PM - Cturix Le Jizzniggles: and thats when i dont understand
6:55 PM - Cturix Le Jizzniggles: because their voices drown out the pac sounds pretty well
6:55 PM - Ze Überwaffle: and people won't stop complaining if your pacs annoy them, so maybe stop using sounds?
6:56 PM - Cturix Le Jizzniggles: and then i go back to the fact that i make pacs because of sounds,
6:56 PM - Ze Überwaffle: so make pacs
6:56 PM - Ze Überwaffle: withOUT sonds
6:56 PM - Ze Überwaffle: sounds*
6:56 PM - Cturix Le Jizzniggles: but it doesnt feel right...
6:56 PM - Cturix Le Jizzniggles: having no sounds
6:57 PM - Cturix Le Jizzniggles: especially when its like
6:57 PM - Cturix Le Jizzniggles: the only thing that makes my pacs shine
6:57 PM - Ze Überwaffle: it doesn't feel right for me to not have headphones but right now that's just how it is
6:57 PM - Cturix Le Jizzniggles: the only thing that i know i can use and be like
6:57 PM - Cturix Le Jizzniggles: this is the right moment when it plays
6:57 PM - Ze Überwaffle: ctur tho, listen
6:57 PM - Ze Überwaffle: listen tho
6:57 PM - Ze Überwaffle: nobody will notice your pac's shine
6:57 PM - Ze Überwaffle: if the sounds annoy them
6:57 PM - Ze Überwaffle: if the pac annoys them
6:58 PM - Cturix Le Jizzniggles: no, i...i know..
6:58 PM - Ze Überwaffle: so using sounds
6:58 PM - Ze Überwaffle: is pointless
6:58 PM - Ze Überwaffle: :c
6:58 PM - Cturix Le Jizzniggles: fuck me..
6:58 PM - Cturix Le Jizzniggles: why do i bother making pacs in the first place then..
6:59 PM - Ze Überwaffle: just make pac without sounds
7:00 PM - Cturix Le Jizzniggles: but..
7:00 PM - Cturix Le Jizzniggles: i cant...do anything..
7:00 PM - Cturix Le Jizzniggles: well
7:00 PM - Cturix Le Jizzniggles: apart from effects, and sounds
7:00 PM - Cturix Le Jizzniggles: and what good is effects....if...
7:00 PM - Cturix Le Jizzniggles: theres no sound..
7:01 PM - Ze Überwaffle: with that logic pretty much the majority of PACs all suck
7:01 PM - Ze Überwaffle: something can be visually stunning yet silent
7:01 PM - Ze Überwaffle: that IS possible
7:01 PM - Cturix Le Jizzniggles: maybe
7:01 PM - Ze Überwaffle: it's why art exists
7:01 PM - Ze Überwaffle: it is seriously the point of art
7:01 PM - Cturix Le Jizzniggles: but that would be with physical models
7:01 PM - Ze Überwaffle: it's the point of maarc's drawings
7:01 PM - Cturix Le Jizzniggles: which is my weakpoint.
7:02 PM - Ze Überwaffle: but using sounds that annoy people as a crutch is even worse
7:02 PM - Ze Überwaffle: every artist claims to loathe what they create
7:02 PM - Ze Überwaffle: i know i do
7:02 PM - Cturix Le Jizzniggles: it doesnt with any other server, which is annother thing
7:03 PM - Cturix Le Jizzniggles: with what i create...most of the time i keep it to myself
7:03 PM - Cturix Le Jizzniggles: and shit that happens like this scenario
7:03 PM - Cturix Le Jizzniggles: is a good reason why
7:04 PM - Ze Überwaffle: so maybe you need to find what annoys people and remove it
7:05 PM - Cturix Le Jizzniggles: they're 8-bit sounds.
7:05 PM - Ze Überwaffle: dude
7:05 PM - Ze Überwaffle: do you not know
7:05 PM - Ze Überwaffle: how annoying 8 bit can be
7:05 PM - Cturix Le Jizzniggles: no
7:05 PM - Cturix Le Jizzniggles: i thought id feel good using them in a pac
7:05 PM - Cturix Le Jizzniggles: because i was able to create one
7:06 PM - Cturix Le Jizzniggles: and have it as unique as the pac i used it on.
7:06 PM - Cturix Le Jizzniggles: obviously people dont like what i do.
7:06 PM - Cturix Le Jizzniggles: none
7:06 PM - Ze Überwaffle: except for the VISUAL aspect
7:06 PM - Ze Überwaffle: i admit, i am reading the chat between you and maarc
7:06 PM - Ze Überwaffle: she says
7:06 PM - Ze Überwaffle: your pac is fine
7:06 PM - Ze Überwaffle: WITHOUT sound
7:07 PM - Cturix Le Jizzniggles: mhm
7:07 PM - Cturix Le Jizzniggles: but it just looks freaking awkward when theres a character doing some kind of charge-bolt attack
7:07 PM - Cturix Le Jizzniggles: and theres no sound to aid with it
7:07 PM - Ze Überwaffle: but ctur
7:07 PM - Ze Überwaffle: you didn't register in your mind
7:07 PM - Cturix Le Jizzniggles: its just bland
7:07 PM - Ze Überwaffle: that the pac
7:07 PM - Ze Überwaffle: looks good
7:07 PM - Ze Überwaffle: with no sound
7:08 PM - Ze Überwaffle: it isnt bland, it looks GOOD
7:08 PM - Ze Überwaffle: maybe not to you, but to others
7:08 PM - Ze Überwaffle: especially maarc
7:08 PM - Ze Überwaffle: if a cake, for example, has fucking amazing icing art drawn on it or whatever and everyone loves it
7:08 PM - Ze Überwaffle: then trying to do anything to change it would fuck it up
7:08 PM - Ze Überwaffle: you wouldnt wanna eat it, because it was perfect the way it was
7:09 PM - Ze Überwaffle: that is the situation with your pacs
7:09 PM - Ze Überwaffle: they are fine with no sound
7:09 PM - Cturix Le Jizzniggles: thats why you have it with just as amazing flavour with it.
7:09 PM - Ze Überwaffle: it already HAS amazing flavour
7:09 PM - Ze Überwaffle: because its CAKE
7:09 PM - Cturix Le Jizzniggles: there are good and bad cakes, ubs
7:10 PM - Ze Überwaffle: ctur listen
7:10 PM - Cturix Le Jizzniggles: a taste that can remind people that that was the cake that looked equally amazing..
7:10 PM - Ze Überwaffle: listen to both of us
7:10 PM - Ze Überwaffle: just listen
7:10 PM - Ze Überwaffle: register this in your mind
7:10 PM - Ze Überwaffle: your pacs
7:10 PM - Ze Überwaffle: do NOT need sound
7:10 PM - Ze Überwaffle: they just don't
7:10 PM - Ze Überwaffle: sound is unecessary
7:10 PM - Ze Überwaffle: it RUINS your pacs
7:10 PM - Ze Überwaffle: they are LITERALLY BETTER
7:10 PM - Ze Überwaffle: with no sound
7:10 PM - Ze Überwaffle: so to make a good pac with your formula
7:10 PM - Ze Überwaffle: i guess just make it WITH sound, like you normally do
7:10 PM - Ze Überwaffle: then REMOVE the sound
7:11 PM - Ze Überwaffle: all the benefits of both worlds
7:11 PM - Ze Überwaffle: you feel in the zone to make a good pac
7:11 PM - Ze Überwaffle: and it doesnt rape everyones ears
7:12 PM - Ze Überwaffle: who cares HOW the sounds are buggy
7:12 PM - Ze Überwaffle: the fact that they ARE
7:12 PM - Ze Überwaffle: means they are buggy
7:12 PM - Ze Überwaffle: and you should not use them
7:13 PM - Cturix Le Jizzniggles: so in other words
7:13 PM - Cturix Le Jizzniggles: for the last what
7:13 PM - Cturix Le Jizzniggles: year and a half
7:13 PM - Cturix Le Jizzniggles: all my sounds that ive made with my pacs
7:13 PM - Cturix Le Jizzniggles: all 321 sounds that ive put on dropbox
7:13 PM - Ze Überwaffle: yes
7:13 PM - Ze Überwaffle: just yes
7:13 PM - Cturix Le Jizzniggles: altered and fixed to loop and play
7:14 PM - Cturix Le Jizzniggles: have been a fucking waste of time and effort.
7:14 PM - Ze Überwaffle: yes
7:14 PM - Ze Überwaffle: its clear people dont like them
7:14 PM - Ze Überwaffle: so why use them
7:14 PM - Ze Überwaffle: and before you get too upset
7:14 PM - Ze Überwaffle: ive wasted a lot of time too
7:14 PM - Ze Überwaffle: you have no idea how many posings ive scrapped
7:14 PM - Ze Überwaffle: the total adds up to at least 33 hours of making and planning them
7:14 PM - Ze Überwaffle: a waste of effort
7:15 PM - Cturix Le Jizzniggles: you can fix those posings though cant you.
7:15 PM - Ze Überwaffle: no
7:15 PM - Ze Überwaffle: because at their core, they are wrong
7:15 PM - Ze Überwaffle: i dont know HOW to make them good
7:15 PM - Cturix Le Jizzniggles: with new ones, i mean.
7:15 PM - Ze Überwaffle: nope.avi
7:15 PM - Cturix Le Jizzniggles: different ones,
7:15 PM - Ze Überwaffle: if something comes out as visually unappealing
7:15 PM - Ze Überwaffle: there is nothing i can do
7:16 PM - Ze Überwaffle: if i try to fix it, it would probably just look like a cake that has been taped together
7:16 PM - Ze Überwaffle: probably made with good intentions, but something went wrong
7:16 PM - Ze Überwaffle: theres no avoiding it
7:16 PM - Cturix Le Jizzniggles: no, but you have your good posings too, dont you.
7:16 PM - Ze Überwaffle: those are the ones that werent scrapped
7:16 PM - Ze Überwaffle: because well
7:16 PM - Cturix Le Jizzniggles: you can dispose of the bad ones and keep the good
7:16 PM - Ze Überwaffle: you can see them
7:16 PM - Cturix Le Jizzniggles: it doesnt seem i have that kind of option with my sounds
7:17 PM - Cturix Le Jizzniggles: if no one likes them
7:17 PM - Cturix Le Jizzniggles: every single one of them must be removed
7:17 PM - Ze Überwaffle: ctur, if i had NO good posings, if my talent in ragdoll posing was absolute SHIT
7:17 PM - Ze Überwaffle: i would not try to make posings
7:17 PM - Cturix Le Jizzniggles: yes
7:17 PM - Ze Überwaffle: you should not try to make sounds
7:17 PM - Cturix Le Jizzniggles: ...
7:17 PM - Ze Überwaffle: maarc tried to make a posing once
7:17 PM - Ze Überwaffle: it was shit, so
7:17 PM - Ze Überwaffle: she didnt upload it
7:17 PM - Ze Überwaffle: it got scrapped
7:18 PM - Ze Überwaffle: that is the only posing i know of that she tried to make
7:18 PM - Cturix Le Jizzniggles: stop
7:18 PM - Cturix Le Jizzniggles: just..
7:18 PM - Cturix Le Jizzniggles: just stop... talking for a moment..
7:18 PM - Cturix Le Jizzniggles: Ze Überwaffle: you should not try to make sounds
7:19 PM - Ze Überwaffle: do you want me to say that again? its the point that i've been trying to make since we started this debate
7:19 PM - Ze Überwaffle: srs
7:19 PM - Cturix Le Jizzniggles: imagine me saying
7:19 PM - Cturix Le Jizzniggles: you should not try to pose shit
7:19 PM - Ze Überwaffle: what do you think "make pacs without sound" meant
7:19 PM - Cturix Le Jizzniggles: i probably took it a little more expancive than just pac.
7:20 PM - Ze Überwaffle: well pac is all i meant
7:20 PM - Ze Überwaffle: dont make sounds for pac
7:20 PM - Ze Überwaffle: ez
7:20 PM - Ze Überwaffle: dont make PACS with sound
7:20 PM - Ze Überwaffle: ez-pz
7:21 PM - Cturix Le Jizzniggles: its simple to say that sure,
7:21 PM - Ze Überwaffle: an your about to tell me you wasted effort?
7:21 PM - Ze Überwaffle: i already said i know that feel
7:21 PM - Cturix Le Jizzniggles: no
7:21 PM - Ze Überwaffle: i wouldnt have said it if i didnt know how it would feel
7:21 PM - Cturix Le Jizzniggles: im not
7:21 PM - Cturix Le Jizzniggles: im trying to think of refferences in my pac
7:22 PM - Cturix Le Jizzniggles: *click* noice - michael rosen
7:22 PM - Cturix Le Jizzniggles: bOrf - garfielf
7:22 PM - Ze Überwaffle: cool
7:22 PM - Ze Überwaffle: what does this prove tho
7:22 PM - Cturix Le Jizzniggles: thomas th-
7:22 PM - Cturix Le Jizzniggles: it proves that the sounds i implement have kinda a huge importance to my pacs
7:22 PM - Cturix Le Jizzniggles: especially the ones with refferences
7:23 PM - Ze Überwaffle: back to the cake analogy, a cake with VISUAL references would be fine, maybe your stomach could have a laugh as it dissolved it in to nothingness
7:23 PM - Ze Überwaffle: but if you put speakers in a cake, youve fucked up
7:23 PM - Cturix Le Jizzniggles: im scared that i laughed to that..
7:24 PM - Ze Überwaffle: :>
7:24 PM - Cturix Le Jizzniggles: *exhales slowly faintly smiling..*
7:24 PM - Ze Überwaffle: so do you understand now?
7:24 PM - Ze Überwaffle: dont use sounds in pac
7:25 PM - Cturix Le Jizzniggles: mm..
7:25 PM - Cturix Le Jizzniggles: i might go and
7:26 PM - Cturix Le Jizzniggles: probably sob hh
7:26 PM - Cturix Le Jizzniggles: not to say i havent been doing that already..