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  1. 6:54
  2. Cheeseness
  3. I'm just getting set up for streaming. Should be ready to go pretty soon
  4. 6:54
  5. OTMJohn
  6. nice
  7. 6:55
  8. Permafry_42
  9. i end up getting 5-6 hours of sleep each day, and then at some point crash during the evening
  10. 6:55
  11. Cheeseness
  12. Syd: Did you end up playing more?
  13. 6:55
  14. FhqwhSGDQ [Mibbit@hide-32D22149.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] entered the room.
  15. 6:55
  16. OTMJohn
  17. Cheeseness: is this how I address people by name in this thing?
  18. 6:55
  19. OTMJohn
  20. (ah, it is)
  21. 6:56
  22. Syd
  23. Not yet, ended up being a bit busy earlier today, which was when I intended to play more of it.
  24. 6:56
  25. FhqwhSGDQ
  26. stopped watching SGDQ for this
  27. 6:56
  28. Syd
  29. Hey FhqwhSGDQ
  30. 6:56
  31. Cheeseness
  32. Hey FhqwhSGDQ
  33. 6:56
  34. Syd
  35. Do both at the same time, multitask!
  36. 6:56
  37. Cheeseness
  38. Oops, yeah, OTM_Danielle
  39. 6:56
  40. FhqwhSGDQ
  41. my connection will not hold up for that
  42. 6:57
  43. medacris [Mibbit@hide-24F82FF0.nycmny.fios.verizon.net] entered the room.
  44. 6:57
  45. Cheeseness
  46. Hey medacris
  47. 6:57
  48. FhqwhSGDQ
  49. have enough troubles with only one stream
  50. 6:57
  51. Permafry_42
  52. gotta love sgdq. a lot of amazing people playing amazing games is always fun to watch
  53. 6:57
  54. FhqwhSGDQ is now known as Fhqwhgod
  55. 6:57
  56. medacris
  57. Hey, Cheese. Sorry for being away for awhile.
  58. 6:57
  59. OTMJohn
  60. sgdq?
  61. 6:57
  62. Cheeseness
  63. It's cool ^_^
  64. 6:57
  65. medacris
  66. I didn't get to watch SGDQ.
  67. 6:57
  68. Permafry_42
  69. summer games done quick
  70. 6:57
  71. Fhqwhgod
  72. Summer Games Done Quick
  73. 6:57
  74. Syd
  75. That one game they did, Metal Wolf Chaos I think it was called? That was one of the most ridiculous things I've ever seen, heh.
  76. 6:57
  77. OTMJohn
  78. ahh
  79. 6:57
  80. Permafry_42
  81. the metroid speedruns are my favourites
  82. 6:58
  83. Fhqwhgod
  84. I am the president of the United States of America
  85. 6:58
  86. Syd
  87. SGDQ is a speedrunning thing for charity, they're raising money for Doctors Without Borders.
  88. 6:58
  89. medacris
  90. I wish Metal Wolf Chaos had been ported to the US.
  91. 6:58
  92. Fhqwhgod
  93. and they are on their last day
  94. 6:58
  95. OTMJohn
  96. oh nice!
  97. 6:58
  98. Cheeseness
  99. OTMJohn: I was going to ask a couple of days ago, but forgot. Are you interested in stickying the Game Club thread in the Steam forums?
  100. 6:58
  101. Fhqwhgod
  102. right now they are running Half-Life 2
  103. 6:58
  104. OTMJohn
  105. Doctors Without Borders is a nice charity man
  106. Oh, good idea
  107. i'll go stick it now
  108. 6:59
  109. GameClubFan_792362 [Mibbit@hide-3E661BAC.hsd1.wv.comcast.net] entered the room.
  110. 6:59
  111. GameClubFan_792362 left the room (quit: Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client).
  112. 6:59
  113. Cheeseness
  114. Cheers ^_^
  115. Alrighty, pushing the stream live
  116. 7:00
  117. Syd
  118. Twitch needs to put The Fall in their games database. I had tried to set it as the game being played but it's just not there.
  119. 7:00
  120. Cheeseness
  121. No title card today (apologies for that ^_^ )
  122. I know, right
  123. 7:00
  124. OTM_Danielle
  125. I contacted Twitch to get it added
  126. 7:00
  127. Cheeseness
  128. And Hitbox
  129. 7:00
  130. OTM_Danielle
  131. Just awaiting them to get it done
  132. 7:00
  133. Cheeseness
  134. I was going to suggest that after the stream
  135. Ah, sweet
  136. Danielle is always on the ball
  137. 7:01
  138. OTM_Danielle
  139. I have my fingers in many pies
  140. 7:01
  141. Cheeseness
  142. Tell me when you guys can see the stream
  143. 7:01
  144. OTMJohn
  145. good lord, now I have to try to figure out how to stick this thing
  146. 7:01
  147. Cheeseness
  148. Ha ha
  149. 7:02
  150. OTMJohn
  151. Done!
  152. 7:02
  153. medacris left the room (quit: Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client).
  154. 7:02
  155. Cheeseness
  156. Oh whoops. I've got the wrong stream key in there >_<
  157. Two secs
  158. 7:02
  159. OTMJohn
  160. Now I just have to remember to unpin it
  161. 7:02
  162. medacris [Mibbit@hide-24F82FF0.nycmny.fios.verizon.net] entered the room.
  163. 7:02
  164. medacris
  165. I can't see the stream yet
  166. 7:02
  167. Syd
  168. Cheeseness is fixing it
  169. 7:02
  170. OTMJohn
  171. Neitehr can I!
  172. 7:02
  173. Syd
  174. He had the wrong stream key set.
  175. 7:03
  176. OTMJohn
  177. oh lawl
  178. I think I will get a beer. Don't tell anyone.
  179. 7:03
  180. Cheeseness
  181. Alrighty, let's try that again
  182. 7:03
  183. Permafry_42
  184. k its on
  185. 7:03
  186. Syd
  187. It's live
  188. 7:04
  189. Cheeseness
  190. No title card today
  191. 7:04
  192. yama_
  193. Aww.
  194. 7:04
  195. Cheeseness
  196. Hope I said your name right, OTM_Danielle
  197. 7:04
  198. OTMJohn
  199. nice, we're connected
  200. 7:04
  201. yama_
  202. That's the only reason for why I come here; To hear Cheeseness' voice.
  203. 7:04
  204. Cheeseness
  205. heh
  206. 7:04
  207. OTMJohn
  208. hmm we're actually not getting audio over here
  209. 7:04
  210. Permafry_42
  211. btw i like the tittlescreen
  212. yeah looks like audio isn't on
  213. 7:05
  214. Syd
  215. I'm not getting audio either
  216. 7:05
  217. medacris
  218. Odd, I get no audio either
  219. 7:05
  220. Cheeseness
  221. Alrighty, let me fix the audio. I see what's happening
  222. 7:05
  223. OTMJohn
  224. I can't hear Cheese's beautiful vocalizations
  225. 7:05
  226. liorean
  227. Hmm. This stream is missing a quality control for some reason, usually Twitch has one of those! And no audio
  228. 7:05
  229. Syd
  230. You need to be a partner with Twitch to get quality options if you're under something like 50 viewers
  231. 7:05
  232. Cheeseness
  233. Yeah
  234. 7:05
  235. Syd
  236. Once you get to around that number, the options kick in
  237. 7:05
  238. Cheeseness
  239. Should have audio now
  240. Let me know if we don't
  241. 7:06
  242. Syd
  243. Yep, there's audio
  244. 7:06
  245. Permafry_42
  246. k its working
  247. 7:06
  248. OTM_Danielle
  249. Roger that
  250. 7:06
  251. OTMJohn
  252. yeah we're good
  253. 7:06
  254. Permafry_42
  255. nice sound design
  256. 7:06
  257. OTMJohn
  258. Thanks! my audio guy is fantastic
  259. 7:06
  260. yama_
  261. Cheese!
  262. 7:06
  263. Cheeseness
  264. \o/
  265. Enjoy!
  266. 7:06
  267. OTMJohn
  268. Hi!
  269. 7:07
  270. OTM_Danielle
  271. Howdy!
  272. I do all things social, marketing and help keep John fed so he can make the game.
  273. 7:07
  274. OTMJohn
  275. What a friendly guy. you'd have no idea he's running on 4 hours of sleep
  276. 7:07
  277. Cheeseness
  278. Ha ha, he prerecorded it before he went to bed
  279. 7:07
  280. Permafry_42
  281. the subtle glitches in the text are great too
  282. 7:07
  283. OTMJohn
  284. OH! lol
  285. brilliant
  286. 7:08
  287. kisak
  288. that's some interesting glyph corruption, was it supposed to do that?
  289. 7:08
  290. Cheeseness
  291. Yeah, I remember when they were added in - I thought they were fantastic but wanted to check that they weren't actually glitches
  292. 7:08
  293. Syd
  294. We had encountered an odd bug last night while Cheeseness was testing his streaming setup. The combat bot outside of the repurposing facility activated but then just stood there, so the combat music was stuck.
  295. 7:08
  296. Fhqwhgod
  297. Spiderman!
  298. 7:08
  299. OTMJohn
  300. Interesting.
  301. 7:08
  302. Cheeseness
  303. I'm playing an older build though
  304. 7:08
  305. OTMJohn
  306. yeah there's still a few bugs related to the combat music
  307. OH! really
  308. 7:08
  309. Sven_Q45 [Mibbit@hide-4DA91BCD.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] entered the room.
  310. 7:09
  311. Syd
  312. Hey Sven_Q45
  313. 7:09
  314. Cheeseness
  315. Yeah - new mouse stuff doesn't play nicely with streaming for me
  316. 7:09
  317. Sven_Q45
  318. hi
  319. 7:09
  320. OTMJohn
  321. (and yes, the visual glitchy stuff should be intentional)
  322. Hey Sven
  323. 7:09
  324. liorean
  325. I get about one frame every other second... but audio seems smooth and fine
  326. 7:09
  327. OTMJohn
  328. so this is the old mouse system we're looking at eh
  329. 7:09
  330. medacris
  331. I really like this so far.
  332. 7:10
  333. Sven_Q45
  334. Anyone remember the question about a gone home retai? This week I preordered it.
  335. 7:10
  336. Permafry_42
  337. i like the addition of little fireflies and small lighting effects
  338. 7:10
  339. OTMJohn
  340. Gone home retail?
  341. cheers!
  342. 7:10
  343. Sven_Q45
  344. Yes.
  345. 7:10
  346. OTMJohn
  347. I wanted to do all sorts of little plans snapping at you, etc, but we just ran out of time
  348. **Plants
  349. 7:11
  350. Permafry_42
  351. ah sweet did they including anything special in it like the super meat boy retail version?
  352. 7:11
  353. Schmuppinger [Mibbit@hide-BEAFE251.unity-media.net] entered the room.
  354. 7:11
  355. Cheeseness
  356. Hey Schmuppinger
  357. 7:12
  358. OTMJohn
  359. Hey Cheese, do we get to hear your glorious voice in this one, or do you stay silent
  360. 7:12
  361. Schmuppinger
  362. hi Cheeseness :>
  363. 7:12
  364. Schmuppinger
  365. and all the others, of course
  366. 7:12
  367. OTMJohn
  368. Hey man!
  369. 7:12
  370. Syd
  371. We usually do these things longplay-style, without voice over.
  372. 7:12
  373. Cheeseness
  374. I love the glimpses we get of the shadowy character in the background
  375. 7:13
  376. OTMJohn
  377. cheers.
  378. 7:13
  379. Cheeseness
  380. Yeah, if we don't have voice over, then everybody gets equal voice in chat
  381. 7:13
  382. Permafry_42
  383. the idea is that we do most of the chatting in a chat box while we watch the gameplay
  384. 7:13
  385. Sven_Q45
  386. Permafry _42 http://www.adventurecorner.de/news/5212/gone-home-collectors-edition-erscheint-naechste-woche
  387. 7:13
  388. OTMJohn
  389. we actually had a different character here originally (Cheese, you probably remember) but when we went through and cleaned upa the writing, it made a bit more sense to have one main "badguy" through all of this
  390. 7:13
  391. Cheeseness
  392. I do!
  393. 7:13
  394. Permafry_42
  395. that way all of us get to talk together
  396. 7:13
  397. Babar left the room (quit: Quit: ).
  398. 7:14
  399. Cheeseness
  400. I might end up doing a stream and talking over the top about stuff that I personally like/dislike at some stage in the future though
  401. 7:14
  402. yama_
  403. Is this game made in 2D or 3D? Looks 2D to me but Kentucky Route Zero first fooled me into think it was 2D, too...
  404. 7:14
  405. Cheeseness
  406. This sequence is great
  407. 7:14
  408. OTMJohn
  409. 3d!
  410. 7:14
  411. yama_
  412. Ohh.
  413. 7:14
  414. OTMJohn
  415. I want to do more stuff with that ascii screen effect in the next game
  416. never got to play with it much
  417. 7:15
  418. Cheeseness
  419. I still feel like that crane movement is too fast to feel weighty
  420. 7:15
  421. Permafry_42
  422. that gone home collector's edition looks fantastic. I hope it comes to canada as well
  423. 7:15
  424. OTMJohn
  425. yeah, the game is 3d, but rendered with a camera with a very small field of view. most of the environment is 2d cards and such
  426. 7:15
  427. OTM_Danielle
  428. I've seen it called 2.5D places
  429. But that may just be game critics being fancy
  430. 7:15
  431. Mimness [Mibbit@hide-BDC870AD.lns20.hba1.internode.on.net] entered the room.
  432. 7:15
  433. OTMJohn
  434. (yeah that crane does haul ass)
  435. 7:15
  436. yama_
  437. Haha. I see.
  438. 7:15
  439. Cheeseness
  440. Hey Mimness
  441. 7:15
  442. OTMJohn
  443. Hey Mim!
  444. 7:15
  445. yama_
  446. Good morning, Mimness.
  447. 7:15
  448. Permafry_42
  449. i like the idea of a sidescrolling p&c. what made you come up with the idea?
  450. 7:16
  451. Mimness
  452. Morning everyone! ^w^
  453. 7:16
  454. Permafry_42
  455. morning mimi
  456. 7:16
  457. OTMJohn
  458. ah, I'm just a nerd and like those two genres. I really loved Metroid, but I always wanted a bit more interactivity.
  459. 7:16
  460. Cheeseness
  461. Which aspects did you find most interesting from Metroid?
  462. 7:17
  463. Sven_Q45
  464. Permafry_42 I don´t think so. But ater you can buy it on Ebay I think.
  465. 7:17
  466. Sven_Q45 left the room (quit: Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client).
  467. 7:17
  468. OTMJohn
  469. the emotional feeling of exploration, actually. not a lot of other stuff comes through, I think.
  470. 7:17
  471. Sven_Q45 [Mibbit@hide-4DA91BCD.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] entered the room.
  472. 7:17
  473. Syd
  474. It's interesting to play from the perspective of an AI that has to follow its own version of the laws of robotics.
  475. 7:17
  476. Cheeseness
  477. Totally. The plot is super compelling
  478. 7:17
  479. OTMJohn
  480. Syd, are you into sci-fi?
  481. 7:17
  482. Sven_Q45
  483. oops.
  484. 7:17
  485. Syd
  486. Yeah, I like sci-fi.
  487. 7:18
  488. Permafry_42
  489. i have a us postal address, so i might have to use that to get it. Assuming I can afford the collector's edition, of course
  490. 7:18
  491. Sven_Q45
  492. Wel
  493. 20 Euros.
  494. 7:18
  495. OTMJohn
  496. for Gone Home collector's edition?
  497. 7:18
  498. Permafry_42
  499. i like the way the ai don't have any emotion in their voice even when their character shows signs of emotion in the choice of words
  500. othjohn yep
  501. *otmjohn
  502. 7:19
  503. OTMJohn
  504. Yeah, I'm really glad I had a guy to help direct the voice acting there
  505. I think it would have been better to have no voice than bad voice
  506. 7:20
  507. OTM_Danielle
  508. Hiring Caleb Allard was a real strike of genius.
  509. 7:20
  510. Mimness
  511. Whoops, Cheese forgot the blood
  512. 7:20
  513. OTMJohn
  514. Oh no. worst backtracking problem in the game by far
  515. if you forget the GD blood
  516. 7:20
  517. Cheeseness
  518. Actually, it's good, I think. If you couldn't do that, you'd spend a lot of time not exploring
  519. 7:21
  520. OTMJohn
  521. hmm perhaps
  522. 7:21
  523. Cheeseness
  524. But for speedruns or walkthroughs, sure
  525. 7:21
  526. Permafry_42
  527. backtracking kinda makes metroidvanias what they are imo
  528. 7:21
  529. OTMJohn
  530. people totally ripped into The Cave for that issue
  531. 7:21
  532. Syd
  533. Some people get really grumpy about backtracking though.
  534. 7:21
  535. OTM_Danielle
  536. It's a pain when you feel like it's for no purpose
  537. 7:21
  538. OTMJohn
  539. yeah
  540. 7:22
  541. OTM_Danielle
  542. But I like having a chance to see more of the environment if there is something changing
  543. 7:22
  544. Cheeseness
  545. ;_;
  546. 7:22
  547. OTMJohn
  548. what do you all think about this recent subject of how games are being dumbled down here and there
  549. dumbed*** dumbledore has nothing to do with it
  550. 7:22
  551. Cheeseness
  552. That's recent?
  553. 7:22
  554. kisak
  555. NNOOOOO MURDERER
  556. 7:22
  557. Permafry_42
  558. I think there's a right way and a wrong way to simplify
  559. 7:22
  560. Mimness
  561. The bit here where is says press left mouse to fire should probably say hold left mouse to fire
  562. 7:22
  563. Syd
  564. It was interesting to talk to Ron about The Cave back when we did that game. I think his reasoning was that he felt that backtracking was a normal part of adventure games, though I could be misremembering.
  565. 7:23
  566. GameClubFan_829693 [Mibbit@BA1B1B3F.1BF67A5E.5B8D265E.IP] entered the room.
  567. 7:23
  568. OTM_Danielle
  569. Vegans hate this section
  570. 7:23
  571. kisak
  572. PITA will have a field day
  573. 7:23
  574. Cheeseness
  575. PETA^
  576. 7:23
  577. OTM_Danielle
  578. but they can be a pita
  579. 7:23
  580. liorean
  581. Backtracking feels, to me, like it's really good as a mechanic only in the cases that you can be pretty much certain that it's not in vain as a player. I hate when I have to try backtrack for hours before I finally figure out that the quest is bugged in some games.
  582. 7:23
  583. kisak
  584. pain in the ..
  585. 7:23
  586. Cheeseness
  587. Aww
  588. People who look out for animals are awesome
  589. 7:23
  590. GameClubFan_829693 left the room (quit: Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client).
  591. 7:23
  592. OTMJohn
  593. thanks Mimness, it should say that
  594. 7:24
  595. GameClubFan_100391 [Mibbit@BA1B1B3F.1BF67A5E.5B8D265E.IP] entered the room.
  596. 7:24
  597. Sven_Q45
  598. Pita bread.
  599. 7:24
  600. Permafry_42
  601. if you simplify for the sake of making the game have less challenge, it doesn't work. but if you simplify the game so that what makes is challenging is more immediate to understand, then it can benefit the game
  602. 7:24
  603. Mimness
  604.  
  605. 7:24
  606. OTM_Danielle
  607. If you guys want to hear more from Cam Jarvis (our sound designer), you can following him on twitter here: https://twitter.com/SingularSound
  608. 7:24
  609. OTMJohn
  610. hmm yeah perhaps so
  611. 7:24
  612. Permafry_42
  613. i like the choice of adding a lazer pointer to the gun
  614. 7:24
  615. Cheeseness
  616. Too much direction undermines exploration
  617. 7:24
  618. OTMJohn
  619. permafry, i think that's right
  620. getting clear what your challenge is is probably key
  621. yeah, if exploration is one of your goals
  622. 7:25
  623. Cheeseness
  624. It was with this game though, right?
  625. 7:25
  626. OTMJohn
  627. yyeeaup
  628. 7:25
  629. Cheeseness
  630. ^_^
  631. 7:26
  632. Mimness
  633. I don't mind backtracking if it makes sense, say, if later on I realise I need something I passed earlier. So long as I understand the necessity it's okay. In The Cave though, if you want to play with all the characters you have to play 4 times, which means if you backtrack you could end up doing some parts 8 or more times...
  634. 7:26
  635. liorean
  636. Yay, frames are back to, if not normal, at least not-entirely-unwatchable level for me now
  637. 7:26
  638. OTMJohn
  639. I tried to muck with the tutorials and such to get rid of some of the challenges that I didn't think had much to do with the core gameplay, but other than that..
  640. 7:26
  641. Cheeseness
  642. I think that The Cave's backtracking would have been less painful if there had've been more content to explore
  643. 7:27
  644. GameClubFan_100391 left the room (quit: Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client).
  645. 7:27
  646. Syd
  647. For me, the part in The Cave that felt like it had too much backtracking was the mineshaft area, I didn't mind the rest too much.
  648. 7:27
  649. Permafry_42
  650. did i mention yet that i love the ascii ui design of the menus?
  651. 7:27
  652. OTMJohn
  653. yeah, I'm not a huge fan of the mineshaft area, but for the most part, I didn't mind The Cave's backtracking
  654. 7:27
  655. Cheeseness
  656. Yeah, sorry liorean. The combination of my system and my internet connection make some parts of this game a bit low frame rate for streaming
  657. 7:27
  658. OTMJohn
  659. Thanks Permafry_42! I apprecieate it
  660. 7:28
  661. Cheeseness
  662. I think the mineshaft area could've been made more enjoyable with a couple more points of interest though
  663. 7:28
  664. yama_
  665. The framerate is okay here.
  666. 7:28
  667. Syd
  668. The reason there was no title card for this session is because Cheeseness switched to a different streaming method to improve framerate.
  669. 7:28
  670. OTMJohn
  671. I love that gui they have on the computers on the original Alien flick
  672. 7:28
  673. Syd
  674. It would have been way choppier if he used his normal streaming software.
  675. 7:28
  676. OTMJohn
  677. interesting
  678. 7:29
  679. Cheeseness
  680. Oh hey, I avoided that cover problem we had last night, Syd
  681. 7:29
  682. liorean
  683. I've heard Australia hasn't got the best set of internet options...
  684. 7:29
  685. Mimness
  686. Shooting the poor little flimsy skinny robots...
  687. 7:29
  688. OTMJohn
  689. nice shot.
  690. 7:29
  691. Cheeseness
  692. Cheers
  693. 7:29
  694. OTMJohn
  695. you've played this game before I see
  696. 7:29
  697. Cheeseness
  698.  
  699. 7:29
  700. OTMJohn
  701. once or twice
  702. 7:29
  703. OTM_Danielle
  704. I'm not sure if Cheeseness or I could claim most playthroughs for the non-developer
  705. 7:30
  706. OTM_Danielle
  707. What I mean to say is, I am not sure who is winning
  708. 7:30
  709. Mimness
  710. Haha
  711. 7:30
  712. Cheeseness
  713. Ha ha, I'm over 30 now
  714. 7:30
  715. OTMJohn
  716. wow
  717. 7:30
  718. Cheeseness
  719. "Your honesty is our integrity" - is that a reference to something?
  720. 7:30
  721. Syd
  722. Looks like Cheeseness has 34.3 hours logged on Steam.
  723. 7:30
  724. OTM_Danielle
  725. Snap. Well, I think I'm beat.
  726. 7:30
  727. Cheeseness
  728. Plus another 20 hours before steam I reckon
  729. 7:31
  730. OTMJohn
  731. I don't believe so - Caleb just thought it sounded like a bullshit corporate line
  732. 7:31
  733. OTM_Danielle
  734. "Your honesty is our integrity" - very appartchnik like.
  735. 1984 and all that
  736. 7:31
  737. OTMJohn
  738. unfortunately he's off working right now or he could comment himself
  739. 7:31
  740. Cheeseness
  741. I have to say, I'm pretty envious of Caleb. He had a great premise to play around with, and I love the way he pulled it together
  742. OTM_Danielle: Yeah
  743. 7:31
  744. Syd
  745. Sounds like a line that tries to put liability on anyone but themselves.
  746. 7:31
  747. liorean
  748. Steam play times aren't entirely accurate. I have 15h for a game I have only started once and had to quit using the task manager because no inputs worked...
  749. 7:32
  750. OTM_Danielle
  751. "Political language... is designed to make lies sound truthful and murder respectable, and to give an appearance of solidity to pure wind" - orwell
  752. 7:32
  753. Cheeseness
  754. It was great to watch the tone of the game evolve during development as the writing got fleshed out
  755. 7:32
  756. OTMJohn
  757. cheers. yeah
  758. yeah a lot of the ideas were there but they weren't quite coming through
  759. 7:32
  760. Mimness
  761. After all the "AI" talk, I sort of found the way this guy talks kind of refreshing.
  762. 7:32
  763. OTMJohn
  764. man.. getting help. super important.
  765. 7:32
  766. Cheeseness
  767. liorean: For this game at least, it's pretty accurate for me (I've also spent time finding/reproducing issues identified by the community)
  768. 7:32
  769. OTM_Danielle
  770. Caleb aced the interview... our 2012 D&D campaign. I admit, it took me longer than I'd like to share to suggest John collaborate with him
  771. 7:33
  772. medacris
  773. He has a Cecil Baldwin-kind of enthusiasm.
  774. 7:33
  775. Cheeseness
  776. Ha ha
  777. Did "Morley" come from anywhere?
  778. 7:33
  779. OTMJohn
  780. Yeah Cheese here as been fantastic
  781. 7:33
  782. OTMJohn
  783. Good question. I never asked him
  784. Josephs did for sure
  785. but not Morley, I think
  786. 7:34
  787. Mimness
  788. What's Josephs a reference to?
  789. 7:34
  790. OTMJohn
  791. we're just both interested in christian iconography
  792. hense all the crosses
  793. I thought it was pertinent to the themes surrounding protocol and institution, etc
  794. We love the idea of putting that in without being all heavy-handed with it
  795. 7:35
  796. Cheeseness
  797. Yeah, they're a good touch
  798. 7:35
  799. OTMJohn
  800. cheers. the original version was a looott more heavy handed and somewhat tacky
  801. 7:35
  802. Cheeseness
  803. Is the Administrator's face a distorted version of somebody you know?
  804. 7:35
  805. OTMJohn
  806. actually, for the most part, it's a kickstarter backer!
  807. hehe but I haven't told him
  808. 7:35
  809. Cheeseness
  810.  
  811. 7:36
  812. Permafry_42
  813. lol
  814. 7:36
  815. OTMJohn
  816. he's one of the guy's who's face is in the video
  817. 7:36
  818. Mimness
  819. Ha!
  820. 7:36
  821. Cheeseness
  822. Ahh
  823. 7:36
  824. OTM_Danielle
  825. There are a few more Kickstarter backers faces further on too.
  826. 7:37
  827. OTMJohn
  828. the Droid's skins are Kickstarter backers as well..
  829. 7:37
  830. Syd
  831. That's the droid that got stuck and caused the combat music to keep playing during the test stream, but looks like he's behaving this time.
  832. 7:37
  833. OTMJohn
  834. whew.
  835. 7:37
  836. Mimness
  837. Interesting gender role stuff happening here - the female combat droid has to "follow the rules" by pretending to be domestic
  838. 7:37
  839. Cheeseness
  840. Isn't the first one that we see the one that was on the Kickstarter page to begin with?
  841. 7:37
  842. OTMJohn
  843. yeah the combat music not turning off is a bug that I'm having a hell of a time reproducing enough to find wtf is going on
  844. 7:37
  845. Cheeseness
  846. I'll try to avoid this time
  847. 7:37
  848. OTMJohn
  849. nope! that original one went in the trash!
  850. 7:37
  851. Cheeseness
  852. It's to do with pressing cloak late, I think
  853. 7:38
  854. OTMJohn
  855. interesting!
  856. 7:38
  857. Cheeseness
  858. I've been able to reproduce it. We can fiddle with it later in the week if you want
  859. 7:38
  860. medacris
  861. I noticed that too, Mim.
  862. 7:38
  863. OTMJohn
  864. Mimness - cheers! we're really interested in poking at some of that stuff
  865. 7:38
  866. Cheeseness
  867. Atmosphere!
  868. 7:39
  869. Mimness
  870. Yay! I'm really interested in games that like poking some of that stuff :3
  871. 7:39
  872. OTMJohn
  873. it seemed more appropriate that ARID be female
  874. 7:39
  875. medacris
  876. It's something I like to see more. Always love a good female protag.
  877. 7:39
  878. OTMJohn
  879. One of the things I'm thinking of is giving the player a choice to give her a more phisical female form, if they'd like, liker on
  880. 7:39
  881. OTM_Danielle
  882. It's nice to have a female protagonist who is powerful for something other than her breast size
  883. Lara Croft, I'm looking at you
  884. 7:39
  885. Cheeseness
  886. She inhabits her pilot's avatar though
  887. 7:40
  888. OTMJohn
  889. yeah! hehe
  890. I think it'll work as she begins to gain her own identity
  891. 7:40
  892. Cheeseness
  893. So in some ways her physical form is ambiguous at most, I think
  894. Yeah - once she's gained her own sense of self, that will carry better (I'm really looking forward to that stuff)
  895. 7:41
  896. OTMJohn
  897. Cheers, me too
  898. I'm excited to see if we can find some interesting stuff to do with choice as well
  899. maayybbeee even do something in the whole transgender theme?
  900. like total choice of who you are or something??
  901. 7:41
  902. Mimness
  903. Yeah I think it would be interesting to let people choose, but I also like that the shape of her body has very little bearing at this point
  904. 7:41
  905. OTMJohn
  906. yeah agreed
  907. I think it's more restrictive at this point
  908. 7:41
  909. Cheeseness
  910. I love that players come up against the same hurdles here with regards to moving past the restrictions of her programming as Arid is
  911. 7:42
  912. OTMJohn
  913. because she's basically stuck in this hyper-masculine suit
  914. 7:42
  915. Permafry_42
  916. I'm still a fan of the bmo view of gender
  917. 7:42
  918. OTMJohn
  919. Cheers Cheese. you think that comes accross?
  920. 7:42
  921. OTMJohn
  922. whats that, Permafry?
  923. 7:42
  924. liorean
  925. BMO?
  926. 7:42
  927. Cheeseness
  928. I'm not certain whether people get that on their first playthrough, but I totally do!
  929. 7:42
  930. OTMJohn
  931. haha well that's a step in the right direction
  932. 7:42
  933. Permafry_42
  934. as in bmo from adventure time. Bmo doesn't have a gender to begin with even though bmo's voice actor is female
  935. 7:43
  936. OTMJohn
  937. ahh interesting
  938. 7:43
  939. liorean
  940. Never seen adventure time
  941. In fact, until last AF, I had never heard of it
  942. 7:43
  943. Mimness
  944. It's not that hyper-masculine, in my opinion. I mean, Starcraft seems to feature some hypermasculine, stupidly enormous suits...
  945. 7:43
  946. Permafry_42
  947. it's a pretty good kids show. Not as good as Avatar the last airbender, but still a good show
  948. 7:44
  949. OTMJohn
  950. huh that's interesting Mim
  951. Airbender is fucking amazing
  952. honestly one of the best stories re: character development I've seen
  953. 7:44
  954. Mimness
  955. John, can you tell us anything about the picture in the background?
  956. 7:44
  957. Permafry_42
  958. did you watch korra last night? otmjohn?
  959. 7:45
  960. Cheeseness
  961. I'd like to think that upon reflection, players will appreciate that you have to manoeuvre Arid to circumvent her restrictions
  962. 7:45
  963. OTMJohn
  964. I haven't watched any Korra yet! only the first season
  965. 7:45
  966. liorean
  967. Blizzard has a very strong male power fantasy - female sexuality fantasy focus for all their games, though World of WarCraft actually has had that influence reduced as it aged. But the rest of the games have it for sure
  968. 7:45
  969. OTMJohn
  970. hahaha Cheese is pointint the picture out
  971. 7:45
  972. Cheeseness
  973. Cheese always points the picture out
  974. 7:45
  975. OTMJohn
  976. well why does he think of it then!?
  977. 7:46
  978. Mimness
  979. liorean: Oh yeah.
  980. 7:46
  981. OTMJohn
  982. (i'm very curious to see if you know what it is!)
  983. 7:46
  984. Cheeseness
  985. Is it a Terminator?
  986. 7:46
  987. OTMJohn
  988. good guess
  989. http://sphere.fredrikmeyer.net/wp-content/uploads/6a00d83451ccbc69e2010536198df6970c-400wi.jpg
  990. 7:46
  991. Cheeseness
  992. Oh, nice
  993. I don't think I'd seen that cover
  994. 7:47
  995. Permafry_42
  996. I definitely liked avatar more than korra, but season 3 is definetely becoming more avatar like. Still it's miles better than the majority of kid-focused shows
  997. 7:47
  998. OTMJohn
  999. neither had i!
  1000. 7:47
  1001. Cheeseness
  1002. You always have to try shooting the baby
  1003. 7:47
  1004. OTMJohn
  1005. Yeah Permafry, that's probably true. I have so much respect for good writing
  1006. 7:47
  1007. OTM_Danielle
  1008. Although, Reboot was a pretty brilliant kids show
  1009. 7:47
  1010. OTMJohn
  1011. (yeah, we might make shooting that baby an achievement)
  1012. 7:47
  1013. liorean
  1014. I loved Reboot in my teens
  1015. 7:48
  1016. Cheeseness
  1017. Ha ha
  1018. 7:48
  1019. OTM_Danielle
  1020. Perhaps it didn't make it out of Canada, but I found it really thoughful as a young'un
  1021. Nothing close to Avatar, but good all the same
  1022. 7:48
  1023. Syd
  1024. Reboot aired in the US, I remember watching it.
  1025. 7:48
  1026. Permafry_42
  1027. recently i've been watching jacob two two as well. another great canadian kids show that the rest of the world never saw
  1028. 7:48
  1029. OTMJohn
  1030. I remember watching Beast Wars a lot (or "Beasties" in Canada, because they couldn't use the word "wars")
  1031. 7:48
  1032. Permafry_42
  1033. i haven't seen reboot though
  1034. 7:48
  1035. liorean
  1036. In fact, I really missed reboot when it ended and they failed to get season 5 funded by any of the approached networks
  1037. 7:48
  1038. OTMJohn
  1039. Jacob two two was a great series of books
  1040. ah, shows getting canceled is the worst
  1041. BTW_ if you guys haven't watched "Hannibal".... fuck
  1042. so good.
  1043. 7:49
  1044. Mimness
  1045. Yes. Yes you should totally make shooting the baby an achievement. You could call it "Maternal"
  1046. 7:49
  1047. OTM_Danielle
  1048. The art direction alone is worth watching
  1049. 7:49
  1050. medacris
  1051. Isn't Reboot coming back?
  1052. 7:49
  1053. OTMJohn
  1054. I heard a rumour of that
  1055. hahah that's a great idea Mimness
  1056. 7:50
  1057. Permafry_42
  1058. Stickin' Around is amazing too from an animation point of view
  1059. 7:50
  1060. OTM_Danielle
  1061. Mimness thats how some of our friends with littles feel sometimes
  1062. 7:50
  1063. liorean
  1064. Not only did they fail to get reboot season 5 going, but they failed multiple times to get the planned full length films funded as well
  1065. 7:50
  1066. OTMJohn
  1067. "Great instincts" as a hint maybe?
  1068. 7:50
  1069. Cheeseness
  1070. I didn't notice until yesterday that the coin has a sparkle on it. When did that go in?
  1071. 7:50
  1072. medacris
  1073. I understand the feeling, but I don't know if I would have shot the baby.
  1074. 7:50
  1075. OTMJohn
  1076. should have been in since V1
  1077. 7:51
  1078. Mimness
  1079. OTM_Danielle: Haha! Yeeeeeeah.
  1080. 7:51
  1081. Cheeseness
  1082. Littles are the best
  1083. 7:51
  1084. liorean
  1085. Medacris: We've heard that news about a half dozen times now. I'll believe it when I see the reruns of it in the TV listings...
  1086. 7:51
  1087. medacris
  1088. @liorean: I know, I know...
  1089. 7:51
  1090. OTMJohn
  1091. I need some other ideas for achievements actually..
  1092. 7:51
  1093. OTM_Danielle
  1094. Medacris - I'm only being inflammatory. Our friends with a 4 month old leave us with her and 2 cans of guiness when we babysit
  1095. 7:52
  1096. Cheeseness
  1097. I might have some ideas
  1098. 7:52
  1099. Mimness
  1100. The closer we get to them the more we get treated like them. Great line.
  1101. 7:52
  1102. Permafry_42
  1103. so that would mean reboot... *puts on sunglasses* is getting a reboot *YEEEEEEEAH!*
  1104. 7:52
  1105. OTMJohn
  1106. you know they're always welcome!
  1107. thanks!
  1108. 7:52
  1109. Cheeseness
  1110. I'll bring them up during the week
  1111. 7:52
  1112. OTMJohn
  1113. hahha Permafry
  1114. that'd make a good patch
  1115. maybe 5-10 more achievements + some commentary
  1116. 7:52
  1117. Cheeseness
  1118. I like the insinuation here that the Administrator thinks that Arid might be malfunctioning
  1119. 7:53
  1120. OTMJohn
  1121. haha yeah. this went through a few iterations. Caleb made it nice
  1122. 7:53
  1123. medacris
  1124. @OTM_Danielle: It's okay. I don't blame you.
  1125. 7:53
  1126. OTMJohn
  1127. I like that he tiptoes around her ego
  1128. 7:53
  1129. Cheeseness
  1130. I think commentary could be really interest
  1131. ing
  1132. 7:53
  1133. Permafry_42
  1134. i love the subtle coolness to his speech like "totally"
  1135. 7:53
  1136. OTMJohn
  1137. We could have you talking about all the linux bugs
  1138. 7:54
  1139. Cheeseness
  1140. I like that it's dated coolness though
  1141. He still feels a little out of touch
  1142. 7:54
  1143. OTM_Danielle
  1144. 1983 coolness
  1145. 7:54
  1146. OTMJohn
  1147. The actor that played that mainframe ai is super tallented
  1148. (they all were really)
  1149. 7:54
  1150. Cheeseness
  1151. OTM_Danielle: Exactly!
  1152. 7:54
  1153. liorean
  1154. I don't like games that place normal game progression events as achievements. I'm of the mind that all achievements should be things that you have to go out of your way in the regular gameplay to achieve - either that, or they should be skill based.
  1155. 7:54
  1156. Mimness
  1157. 1983 is the best kind of coolness
  1158. 7:54
  1159. OTMJohn
  1160. hehe he used to be even more out of date actually.
  1161. 7:54
  1162. Permafry_42
  1163. yeah i like the idea of achievements as easter eggs
  1164. 7:55
  1165. medacris
  1166. Mm.
  1167. 7:55
  1168. Permafry_42
  1169. but not as either pointless tasks or progression reminders
  1170. 7:55
  1171. medacris
  1172. I'll have to check this out if it's on Mac.
  1173. 7:55
  1174. OTMJohn
  1175. liorean - it's a good point. we thought we should have a few to give a little feedback that you're progressing and let people know that there ARE acheivements
  1176. 7:55
  1177. Cheeseness
  1178. The door to the lab could do with an interaction marker like the diagnostics door downstairs did
  1179. 7:55
  1180. Permafry_42
  1181. medacris its on humblestore and steam
  1182. 7:55
  1183. OTMJohn
  1184. medacris - it is!
  1185. 7:55
  1186. Syd
  1187. Achievements that are actual achievements are nice, really clever ones can be motivational
  1188. 7:55
  1189. OTMJohn
  1190. Cheese - which?
  1191. 7:55
  1192. Cheeseness
  1193. Yum
  1194. 7:56
  1195. OTMJohn
  1196. Speaking of which, I still have to patch the Military Machine achievement. forgot about that one
  1197. apparently we've got an achievement in the game that's next to impossible
  1198. 7:56
  1199. medacris
  1200. @Permafry_42 @OTMJohn: Awesome. Onto the wishlist it goes.
  1201. 7:56
  1202. OTM_Danielle
  1203. 2 more days left in the Steam sale...
  1204. 7:56
  1205. OTMJohn
  1206. Oh, our sales are picking up slightly btw
  1207. maybe because of Giant Bomb?
  1208. 7:57
  1209. Mimness
  1210. I have no problem feeding that child a head.
  1211. 7:57
  1212. Permafry_42
  1213. btw do you guys know when you'll be able to have the humblestore version of the game go on sale? I would rather have the humble version since some day i think linux os will become the norm
  1214. 7:57
  1215. Cheeseness
  1216. OTMJohn: The upstairs door next to the tag reader could do with an interaction point to help people recognise that that's an area to look out for later
  1217. 7:57
  1218. kisak
  1219. hey dad! what's for dinner? Robot: Meat
  1220. 7:57
  1221. Cheeseness
  1222. Permafry_42: It's on Steam for Linux as well
  1223. 7:57
  1224. Syd
  1225. "Nom nom nom!"
  1226. 7:57
  1227. medacris
  1228. "Num num num!"
  1229. 7:57
  1230. Fhqwhgod left the room (quit: Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client).
  1231. 7:57
  1232. Mimness
  1233. Yummy nutritious face meat.
  1234. 7:57
  1235. OTM_Danielle
  1236. My favourite
  1237. 7:57
  1238. OTMJohn
  1239. Cheesseness: Good idea
  1240. 7:58
  1241. Permafry_42
  1242. ah. didn't know that
  1243. 7:58
  1244. medacris
  1245. And Giant Bomb is fantastic, especially with indie games.
  1246. 7:58
  1247. Cheeseness
  1248. But Humble's accountless DRM free stuff is better IMO
  1249. 7:58
  1250. Permafry_42
  1251. still drm free is always preferable
  1252. 7:58
  1253. Permafry_42
  1254. cheeseness agreed
  1255. 7:58
  1256. OTMJohn
  1257. Not 100% sure when a Humble Store Sale will happen, but it will happen!
  1258. 7:58
  1259. Mimness
  1260. I love the num num num! That cracked me up. I hope this whole area was supposed to be darkly humorous, and I'm not just a psychopath... O_o
  1261. 7:58
  1262. yama_
  1263. Looks interesting enough. I'll buy the game later when the Steam sale is over.
  1264. 7:58
  1265. OTM_Danielle
  1266. John and I often check each other to make sure we're not psychopaths
  1267. 7:58
  1268. Cheeseness
  1269. You are just a psychopath
  1270. 7:58
  1271. OTM_Danielle
  1272. Dark humour is allowed
  1273. 7:58
  1274. OTMJohn
  1275. hahaha yeah Mimness, it was
  1276. 7:59
  1277. Permafry_42
  1278. awesome. I'll be sure to get the game and play it then. I'd get it now but as a university student i'm pretty much always broke
  1279. 7:59
  1280. psymin
  1281. I'm really enjoying this game, thanks for suggesting it
  1282. 7:59
  1283. OTMJohn
  1284. ah, being broke
  1285. 7:59
  1286. Cheeseness
  1287.  
  1288. 7:59
  1289. liorean
  1290. I usually have a preference of GOG DRM Free > Humble Bundle DRM free > Steam > Origin/UPlay/etc.
  1291. 7:59
  1292. Mimness
  1293. OTM_Danielle: Sounds like you guys have a good set up. Provided you don't both turn at the same time.
  1294. 7:59
  1295. medacris
  1296. The psychopathic moments are funny, though.
  1297. 7:59
  1298. Cheeseness
  1299. When GOG launches Linux support, they'll probably become my preference as well
  1300. Take first, read later
  1301. 8:00
  1302. OTMJohn
  1303. GOG turned me down by the way
  1304. (I'm not bitter though)
  1305. 8:00
  1306. medacris
  1307. I usually opt for Steam, but GOG has been great so far
  1308. 8:00
  1309. Cheeseness
  1310. Aww, really?
  1311. 8:00
  1312. OTMJohn
  1313. hehehe maybe again in the future if I can provbe I have some sales
  1314. 8:00
  1315. liorean
  1316. Did GOG motivate their refusal?
  1317. 8:00
  1318. OTMJohn
  1319. motivate?
  1320. 8:01
  1321. liorean
  1322. Did they give a reason why they refused, or just say that you were?
  1323. 8:01
  1324. Mimness
  1325. The community could harrass, ahem, I mean request The Fall on GOG by starting a request thread?
  1326. 8:01
  1327. Cheeseness
  1328. I *really* *really* want to use the severed hand to push the elevator and console buttons
  1329. 8:01
  1330. OTMJohn
  1331. hahaha
  1332. 8:01
  1333. OTM_Danielle
  1334. Mimness - Go forth!
  1335. 8:01
  1336. Mimness
  1337. He does. He talks about it all the time.
  1338. 8:01
  1339. Cheeseness
  1340. Yeah, their feature/game request and voting system helps I think
  1341. 8:02
  1342. OTMJohn
  1343. liorean - worried that it wouldn't appeal to their core audience
  1344. 8:02
  1345. Syd
  1346. GOG turned down Dominique Pamplemousse because they thought it wouldn't be a good fit for GOG.
  1347. 8:02
  1348. OTMJohn
  1349. Dominique Pamplemousse?
  1350. 8:02
  1351. Mimness
  1352. Cheese is sad that it doesn't say that the speaker is sticking out of the kid's bum anymore.
  1353. 8:03
  1354. medacris
  1355. Oh, btw, what were the inspirations for the game? Asimov? Star Trek? Alien?
  1356. 8:03
  1357. Cheeseness
  1358. All of the above, I suspect D
  1359.  
  1360. 8:03
  1361. OTMJohn
  1362. yup!
  1363. 8:03
  1364. Syd
  1365. OTMJohn: It was an adventure game that was Kickstarted, focuses a lot on gender issues from what I've heard.
  1366. 8:03
  1367. OTMJohn
  1368. Alien was the biggest visual influence
  1369. interesting Syd, I'll have to take a look
  1370. actually
  1371. the guys over at Alien: Isolation made an interesting video about the GUI elements in their game
  1372. 8:04
  1373. Permafry_42
  1374. the fog reminds me of limbo a little
  1375. 8:04
  1376. OTMJohn
  1377. i was amazed to see it because they share my inspiration almost exactly
  1378. yeah Limbo, sorry - in terms of the environments, was a huge inspiration
  1379. 8:04
  1380. Syd
  1381. The Alien game coming up looks pretty promising. It's nice to see something that's a bit more Alien than Aliens.
  1382. 8:05
  1383. Cheeseness
  1384. When you were on SteamLUG Cast, you mentioned that the Asimov/laws of robotics aspect turned out to get more attention than you expected. What do you think of audiences influencing creativity in game development?
  1385. Because you picked up on that and ran with it right?
  1386. 8:05
  1387. OTMJohn
  1388. yeah totally
  1389. and I'm totally down with that stuff
  1390. actually, I think that part of The Fall's problem is that it's not as immediately readable in the storefront as say, a first person shooter
  1391. people who like it offer up ways of interpereting what it is-- that kind of stuff has been helpful to me. actually, we were thinking of going further away from the "rules" thing, but we stayed there because it's something that people know, like, and can understand
  1392. 8:06
  1393. Permafry_42
  1394. oh yeah are you looking forwards to inside from playdead?
  1395. 8:07
  1396. Cheeseness
  1397. It's tricky to pitch. Talking about Metroid implies more platforming/action than there is, and talking about Monkey Island implies a different style of interaction (though fans of both might appreciate the game without those expectations)
  1398. 8:07
  1399. OTMJohn
  1400. I'm totaly interested in what playdead does ^_^
  1401. 8:07
  1402. Cheeseness
  1403. Ah, I'm not being fast enough here. Did you end up making this longer, John?
  1404. 8:07
  1405. OTMJohn
  1406. yeah agreed, Cheeseiness
  1407. 8:07
  1408. Permafry_42
  1409. yeah same. I like the orwellian feel of it
  1410. 8:07
  1411. medacris
  1412. LIMBO is one of the most recently visually arresting indie games, and it works well for a space game like this, so well done.
  1413. 8:07
  1414. Cheeseness
  1415. If you don't skip dialogue, it becomes pretty tight
  1416. 8:07
  1417. OTMJohn
  1418. making what longer?
  1419. 8:08
  1420. Mimness
  1421. OTMJohn: I feel like the "rules" gave it a solid start. It is a good, familiar launching point.
  1422. 8:08
  1423. Cheeseness
  1424. The baby timeout
  1425. 8:08
  1426. yama_
  1427. Just looked at the Steam page for The Fall and wondering if all three parts were funded with Kickstarter or if you're hoping the game will sell well enough to fund the remaining parts.
  1428. 8:08
  1429. Schmuppinger left the room (quit: Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client).
  1430. 8:08
  1431. medacris
  1432. I do think you can see Metroid and Monkey Island influence in here, though it's very much its own thing.
  1433. 8:08
  1434. Mimness
  1435. Yay! The baby!
  1436. 8:08
  1437. OTMJohn
  1438. thanks medacris! Mimness - cheers , I think so too
  1439. 8:08
  1440. Cheeseness
  1441. I might finish up the stream there
  1442. 8:08
  1443. OTMJohn
  1444. oH!! hmm... I think I added 5 seconds
  1445. 8:08
  1446. Cheeseness
  1447. But by all means continue chatting
  1448. 8:08
  1449. kisak
  1450. baby is the weakest link, goodbye
  1451. 8:09
  1452. OTMJohn
  1453. yama_ we were hoping that yes, but it looks like we'll be okay to make the other ones
  1454. I made a safe enough gamble and it seems that we'll be just okay.
  1455. 8:09
  1456. yama_
  1457. That's cool.
  1458. 8:09
  1459. OTM_Danielle
  1460. Kickstarter is a brilliant way to test if the market wants what you think they will like
  1461. 8:09
  1462. Mimness
  1463. Yay! More Fall!
  1464. 8:09
  1465. OTMJohn
  1466. ah! what happened? you quit out?
  1467. 8:09
  1468. medacris
  1469. @OTMJohn: No problem! Thanks to you and @OTMDanielle for making such an awesome game.
  1470. 8:09
  1471. Permafry_42
  1472. i love subtle creepiness in a game world; it always makes it feel more engaging
  1473. 8:10
  1474. Cheeseness
  1475. Yeah, the eerie atmosphere is awesome
  1476. 8:10
  1477. OTMJohn
  1478. oh! first session cheers
  1479. 8:10
  1480. Permafry_42
  1481. thanks to everyone coming and to cheese for streaming
  1482. 8:10
  1483. OTMJohn
  1484. ah fun times
  1485. 8:10
  1486. Syd
  1487. I gotta head out, thanks for joining us John and Danielle!
  1488. 8:10
  1489. yama_
  1490. Red Thread Games just the other day decided to make Dreamfall Chapters be released in chapters and people are as upset about it as they were with DF splitting DFA into two parts and Revolution making BS5 a two-parter as well. >.>
  1491. 8:10
  1492. Cheeseness
  1493. I always feel hampered when I'm streaming - it's hard to balance attention between the game and chat
  1494. 8:10
  1495. OTMJohn
  1496. Ah cheers Syd, this was a lot of fun
  1497. 8:10
  1498. liorean
  1499. Thanks guys, and thanks for the stream!
  1500. 8:11
  1501. OTM_Danielle
  1502. Ciao Syd!
  1503. 8:11
  1504. Syd left the room (quit: Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client).
  1505. 8:11
  1506. OTMJohn
  1507. yeah I'll bet
  1508. 8:11yama_ *pat pat* Cheeseness
  1509. 8:11
  1510. yama_
  1511. You did well. ^^
  1512. 8:11
  1513. Cheeseness
  1514. For anybody who's interested, I wrote a review which covers my experiences with The Fall starting with being fascinated by the Kickstarter pitch and going through to ending up getting a small credit on the game http://steamcommunity.com/id/cheeseness/recommended/290770/
  1515. 8:11
  1516. medacris
  1517. Thanks all, I gotta go for a sec
  1518. 8:11
  1519. Cheeseness
  1520. Aww, thanks yama_
  1521. Cheers medacris
  1522. 8:12
  1523. OTMJohn
  1524. yeah hehe it's the most helpful review
  1525. 8:12
  1526. Cheeseness
  1527. I've been told that it's a good review a couple of times, but it feels more like a story to me ^_^
  1528. 8:12
  1529. OTMJohn
  1530. hahah i suppose yes
  1531. 8:12
  1532. Permafry_42
  1533. If there's any words that describes cheese best, its "most helpful"
  1534. 8:12
  1535. yama_
  1536. Thanks for the link, Cheeseness. I'll read it in a bit.
  1537. 8:13
  1538. OTMJohn
  1539. hahah it's true
  1540. 8:13
  1541. Cheeseness
  1542. OTMJohn: Do you feel that future installments will be easier to develop following the work that's been done on this first game?
  1543. 8:13
  1544. OTM_Danielle
  1545. And if you lovely folks want to keep up with us, we're on twitter at https://twitter.com/overthemoongms and facebook at https://www.facebook.com/OverTheMoonGames
  1546. 8:13
  1547. Cheeseness
  1548. Aww
  1549. 8:13
  1550. OTMJohn
  1551. I think absolutely they'll be easier
  1552. yeah I think we're going to have some fun
  1553. I've got a few crazy ideas
  1554. 8:13
  1555. Cheeseness
  1556. It's pretty exciting
  1557. 8:13
  1558. OTMJohn
  1559. but we should be able to focus on art and gameplay this time around, without having to wory so much about scripting a whole pile of back end
  1560. 8:14
  1561. Cheeseness
  1562. Right
  1563. 8:14
  1564. yama_
  1565. Has the overarching story been finished or is that still a work in progress?
  1566. 8:14
  1567. Cheeseness
  1568. Are there any aspects of the game/mechanics that you feel you'd like to continue to refine?
  1569. 8:14
  1570. OTMJohn
  1571. the general story has been laid out in terms of the character progression but there's a lot of wiggle room. I hope ep2 will top ep1 in terms of creativity
  1572. yes! the combat
  1573. 8:14
  1574. Permafry_42
  1575. oh yeah what engine does the fall run on?
  1576. 8:14
  1577. OTMJohn
  1578. the combat is a bit meh
  1579. Unity
  1580. 8:14
  1581. Cheeseness
  1582. Also of interest, I've interviewed John on SteamLUG Cast a couple of times. The archive of the most recent one isn't up (should be here soon), but his first appearance from last year can be found here https://steamlug.org/cast/s01e10
  1583. 8:14
  1584. OTMJohn
  1585. I'm even tempted to hire a designer for the combat
  1586. 8:15
  1587. Permafry_42
  1588. ah makes sense. unity is great for games like this
  1589. 8:15
  1590. OTMJohn
  1591. yeah that's always a good time
  1592. Unity is fantastic, I recomend it to anyone
  1593. 8:15
  1594. Cheeseness
  1595. Ha ha, actually combat was involved with what I mentioned before the stream. Glad to hear it's something that you feel still has potential to go farther
  1596. 8:15
  1597. OTMJohn
  1598. yeah absolutely
  1599. 8:15
  1600. Permafry_42
  1601. Apparently after learning a java variant called processing, sfu teaches the rest of the undergrad courses with unity
  1602. 8:16
  1603. psymin
  1604. I told administrator I'm not up with being domestic, am I boned now?
  1605. 8:16
  1606. OTMJohn
  1607. it's a tricky thing in general.. Combat is something that's basically there just to break up monotony and make the game feel tense a bit
  1608. 8:16
  1609. Cheeseness
  1610. psymin: Nah, you can't dead end yourself in this game aside from dying (that I know of)
  1611. 8:16
  1612. OTMJohn
  1613. psymin nope! you actually have to purposely fail that conversation a few times to pass the puzzle
  1614. i hate dead ending in adventure games
  1615. 8:16
  1616. psymin
  1617. ahh, whew
  1618. 8:17
  1619. Cheeseness
  1620. psymin: In fact, that part you're on is where I started talking about the restrictions placed on the player mirroring the restrictions that Arid has
  1621. In an adventure game context, you'd think that "boned" would be a good thing. I can't think of a single time where I've come across a bone that wasn't useful
  1622. 8:17
  1623. OTMJohn
  1624. oh, the conversational stuff, right
  1625. I'd like to play with that in ep. 2 as well...
  1626. 8:18
  1627. yama_
  1628. Like using bones to push buttons?
  1629. 8:18
  1630. Cheeseness
  1631. Monkey Island 2's jail scene springs to mind
  1632. 8:18
  1633. OTMJohn
  1634. haha sorry no, mirroring player challenges with the character's challenges
  1635. 8:18
  1636. yama_
  1637.  
  1638. 8:18
  1639. Cheeseness
  1640. I'm interested to see what Arid ends up valuing in part 2 - what an individual values says a lot about who they are. At this point, Arid values nothing but the safety of her pilot
  1641. 8:19
  1642. OTMJohn
  1643. yeah
  1644. yeah we've got a few options
  1645. gotta construct somethingggg
  1646. 8:19
  1647. Cheeseness
  1648. If Arid is in part 2 (ooooh, was that a spoiler? Or misdirection? \o/)
  1649. 8:19
  1650. yama_
  1651. Was there any indication of the pilot's gender in the game so far? (Sorry, I'm bad at paying attention sometimes.)
  1652. 8:20
  1653. Cheeseness
  1654. I need to get the strings off you at some point, John
  1655. 8:20
  1656. OTMJohn
  1657. Strings?
  1658. 8:20
  1659. Cheeseness
  1660. I keep wanting to say there's not, but I'm not 100% certain
  1661. 8:20
  1662. OTMJohn
  1663. yeah I thinkkk we mentioned that the gender is male, but I'm not sure
  1664. now that you mention it...
  1665. 8:20
  1666. Cheeseness
  1667. If there is, it's only once
  1668. 8:20
  1669. OTMJohn
  1670. yeah
  1671. 8:21
  1672. OTM_Danielle
  1673. The pilot is mentioned as a he.
  1674. 8:21
  1675. yama_
  1676. Ah-ha.
  1677. 8:21
  1678. Cheeseness
  1679. And I keep forgetting to look when I'm testing
  1680. 8:21
  1681. OTM_Danielle
  1682. I think so.
  1683. but I've seen the game through so many times, it's hard to remember
  1684. 8:21
  1685. OTMJohn
  1686. yeah
  1687. 8:21
  1688. OTM_Danielle
  1689. definitely later he is mentioned as 'Josephs'
  1690. 8:21
  1691. Mimness
  1692. I always just assumed Josephs was a masculine name. Which is stupid, really.
  1693. 8:21
  1694. Cheeseness
  1695. Well, it's the character's last name, I assume
  1696. 8:21
  1697. OTMJohn
  1698. yeah it's the last name
  1699. but we did have the intention that he's male
  1700. if it's not written in stone in ep1 it could change???? but probably not
  1701. 8:22
  1702. yama_
  1703. Okies.
  1704. 8:22
  1705. Cheeseness
  1706. If it's ambiguous in the work, that's kinda cool
  1707. We'll have to look out for it during the next session
  1708. 8:22
  1709. OTMJohn
  1710. haha yeah
  1711. 8:22
  1712. yama_
  1713. I'll probably not be able to make it to the next session. *sad*
  1714. 8:22
  1715. OTMJohn
  1716.  
  1717. 8:23
  1718. Mimness
  1719. It was probably a combination of things that just made me assume her pilot was male - Josephs making me think of the male name Joseph, the masculine suit, etc
  1720. 8:23
  1721. Cheeseness
  1722. Aww, yama_
  1723. 8:23
  1724. OTMJohn
  1725. right yeah
  1726. 8:23
  1727. yama_
  1728. I'll just have to play the game myself and read the chat lot at a later date.
  1729. 8:23
  1730. OTMJohn
  1731. and the other ARID has a female pilot
  1732. 8:23
  1733. Mimness
  1734. yama_: Yes yes! Play the game!
  1735. 8:23
  1736. yama_
  1737. lot = log
  1738. 8:24
  1739. medacris
  1740. Awh, yama, do you want us to keep you up to date with what happens?
  1741. 8:24
  1742. Mimness
  1743. OTMJohn: Really? Does the sad dude whose power core she nicks have a female pilot?
  1744. 8:24
  1745. yama_
  1746. medacris, naw, but thanks for asking.
  1747. 8:24
  1748. OTMJohn
  1749. yeah!
  1750. 8:25
  1751. Mimness
  1752. How did I miss that! My mind is blown. I'm doing a PhD in gender studies at the moment. I should quit.
  1753. 8:25
  1754. medacris
  1755. And aw, The Fall doesn't have a TVTropes page yet. Just one on the band, TV show, and film of the same name. Gotta make a page for that and Crypt of The Necrodancer.
  1756. 8:25
  1757. Cheeseness
  1758. The other suit doesn't mention that its pilot was female does it?
  1759. 8:25
  1760. medacris
  1761. Nah, s'okay, Mim. And yeah, but briefly, Cheese.
  1762. 8:25
  1763. OTMJohn
  1764. haha you flatter us Mimness
  1765. TVTropes? i'll have to look into it
  1766. yeah it does!
  1767. 8:26
  1768. Cheeseness
  1769. Ah, OK
  1770. 8:26
  1771. OTMJohn
  1772. my pilot has been unresponsive gor 10 hours (or what ever) -- she is dead
  1773. 8:26
  1774. Cheeseness
  1775. Note to self: pay more attnetion
  1776. And speel more bettr
  1777. 8:26
  1778. liorean
  1779. TV Tropes, destroyer of lives... or at least, eater of time
  1780. 8:26
  1781. OTMJohn
  1782. haha
  1783. 8:26
  1784. Cheeseness
  1785. Yeah, now that you mention it
  1786. 8:26
  1787. OTMJohn
  1788. Mimness - we tried to do some interesting stuff with gender actually, but we weren't sure how it was going to be recieved
  1789. 8:26
  1790. Mimness
  1791. Ohhhhhhhh yeah. I was paying more attention to the somewhat flippant way he says that line. Very unemotional compared to how passionate ARID is about her pilot.
  1792. 8:27
  1793. yama_
  1794. Wasn't it like 25 minutes or something? Made me feel sad hearing it that it had happened such a short while ago.
  1795. 8:27
  1796. Cheeseness
  1797. Yeah
  1798. 8:27
  1799. medacris
  1800. TVTropes is great for introducing people to new shows, movies, games, etc.
  1801. 8:27
  1802. Mimness
  1803. OTMJohn: Well it was well received in this house ^_^
  1804. 8:27
  1805. medacris
  1806. Mim, I think it was cool that they were written as contrasts.
  1807. 8:27
  1808. kisak
  1809. OTMJohn: unresponsive for 10 hours, and has been flailed about constantly for the last 9 hours, no chance of neck / spine / internal bleeding, right?
  1810. 8:27
  1811. liorean
  1812. Yes, but it's also a great way to lose 3-4 hours you really didn't intend to
  1813. 8:27
  1814. medacris
  1815. @liorean: True.
  1816. 8:28
  1817. Permafry_42
  1818. i like TVTropes because without it homestuck probably wouldn't exist, or would be a very different webcomic
  1819. 8:28
  1820. OTMJohn
  1821. hahah kisak, interesting point
  1822. maybe
  1823. 8:28
  1824. psymin
  1825. is administrator Cyril?
  1826. 8:29
  1827. Mimness
  1828. I agree medacris, I agree. It made me feel that ARID was unique.
  1829. 8:29
  1830. Cheeseness
  1831. Does someone usually continue to bleed after 10 hours?
  1832. 8:29
  1833. liorean
  1834. I like TVTropes because I don't think any resource like it ever existed in offline format
  1835. 8:29
  1836. Cheeseness
  1837. I suppose that would depend on how recently it was strung up on the cross maybe?
  1838. 8:29
  1839. OTMJohn
  1840. yeah, I don't think it's 10 hours
  1841. it might evben be in the minutes
  1842. we chatted about that when we wrote the line
  1843. but now I don't remember
  1844. 8:30
  1845. kisak
  1846. the timeframe of the other combat system implied that the timeframe was minimal
  1847. less than an hour maybe?
  1848. 8:31
  1849. OTMJohn
  1850. it might ebven be 20 minutes
  1851. 8:32
  1852. yama_
  1853. "the human inside this suit is dead."
  1854. 8:32
  1855. OTMJohn
  1856. ya'll have a request for episode 2, by any chance?
  1857. 8:32
  1858. yama_
  1859. "I do not know why she was attacked"
  1860. 8:32
  1861. Mimness
  1862. Go yama_!
  1863. 8:32
  1864. OTMJohn
  1865. ^_^
  1866. 8:32
  1867. yama_
  1868. "no vital signs detected for twenty-three minutes"
  1869. 8:32
  1870. OTMJohn
  1871. ah! there ya go
  1872. good find
  1873. 8:32
  1874. kisak
  1875. oh hi Mimness
  1876. 8:33
  1877. yama_
  1878. She's referred to as she and her three times.
  1879. 8:33
  1880. Mimness
  1881. hi kisak
  1882. 8:33Cheeseness pats yama
  1883. 8:33
  1884. OTMJohn
  1885. pats
  1886. 8:33
  1887. OTMJohn
  1888. pat Cheeseness
  1889. 8:33
  1890. OTMJohn
  1891. ... hmm nope.
  1892. 8:34yama_ pat OTMJohn
  1893. 8:34yama_ pat OTMJohn
  1894. 8:34Mimness pats Mimness
  1895. 8:34
  1896. OTM_Danielle
  1897. Beginning of a TV Tropes page here: http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/VideoGame/TheFall
  1898. 8:34
  1899. OTMJohn
  1900. ahhhh
  1901. 8:34
  1902. Mimness
  1903. Go me.
  1904. 8:34OTMJohn pats yama_
  1905. 8:34
  1906. OTMJohn
  1907. Thanks Danni! She's my social media saviour
  1908. 8:34
  1909. liorean
  1910. Bleh, missing cards 3, 4 for steam turn ins,. and I don't think there's enough time for me to vote enough times to get two more cards
  1911. 8:34Cheeseness pats Danielle
  1912. 8:34
  1913. medacris
  1914. @OTM_Danielle: Thank you!
  1915. @liorean: I feel you, I'm still missing 3-4 cards
  1916. 8:35
  1917. Cheeseness
  1918. That TVTropes page is using the old game blurb
  1919. 8:35
  1920. liorean
  1921. Actually I'm amazed that I haven't gotten any doubles so far
  1922. 8:36
  1923. OTMJohn
  1924. it's using caleb's blurb i think
  1925. 8:36
  1926. liorean
  1927. I got triples of two during hte winter sale!
  1928. 8:36
  1929. OTMJohn
  1930. let me check
  1931. 8:36
  1932. Cheeseness
  1933. Speaking of cards, it might be worth investigating getting cards for The Fall. It's super cheap and I hate it, but it can help get a bit of visibility
  1934. 8:36
  1935. yama_
  1936. I've managed to not buy anything in the Steam sale so far. \o/
  1937. A little tempted to get Cinder, though.
  1938. 8:36
  1939. Cheeseness
  1940. I bought XCOM
  1941. 8:36
  1942. liorean
  1943. I have bought some things in the steam sale. But most of the cards I got through voting, not buying
  1944. 8:36
  1945. OTMJohn
  1946. oh yeah, Steam cards, for sure
  1947. I should look into that
  1948. 8:37
  1949. Permafry_42
  1950. Thanks again for joining us OTMJohn and OTM_Danielle. Will either of you be going to fullindie next month?
  1951. 8:37
  1952. OTMJohn
  1953. maybe as part of the patch
  1954. 8:37
  1955. yama_
  1956. *Cinders
  1957. 8:37
  1958. Cheeseness
  1959.  
  1960. 8:37
  1961. OTMJohn
  1962. we don't have plans but we should go to full indie, soooooooo i'll say yes
  1963. depending on when it is
  1964. maybe we'll do a card/achievements/commentary patch, update humble, and do a sale on both platforms.
  1965. 8:38
  1966. OTM_Danielle
  1967. Likely yes.
  1968. 8:38
  1969. Permafry_42
  1970. Alrighty well I'll definitely try to go next month too so if i do I'll be sure to say hi. I'll be wearing a blue homestuck hoodie
  1971. 8:38
  1972. OTMJohn
  1973. I'll be wearing an awesome male balding pattern and a beard
  1974. hehe
  1975. we'll get a drink for sure if I'm there!
  1976. 8:39
  1977. Permafry_42
  1978. Even though I'm 19 I still don't drink yet, but I'm always up for a good chat
  1979. 8:39
  1980. OTM_Danielle
  1981. We'll be there, as long as we're in town!
  1982. 8:39
  1983. psymin
  1984. alright, I'm googlin how to deal with this one
  1985. 8:40
  1986. OTMJohn
  1987. oh haha fair enough
  1988. 8:40
  1989. Cheeseness
  1990. Where are you up to, psymin?
  1991. 8:40
  1992. OTM_Danielle
  1993. Ciao for now DFAdventurers!
  1994. 8:40
  1995. OTM_Danielle left the room (quit: Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client).
  1996. 8:40
  1997. psymin
  1998. thx OTM
  1999. 8:40
  2000. Cheeseness
  2001. Thanks heaps for joining us Danielle
  2002. 8:40
  2003. yama_
  2004. Thanks for comin--
  2005. 8:40
  2006. Cheeseness
  2007. Ha ha ha
  2008. 8:40
  2009. Permafry_42
  2010. cya next week guys
  2011. 8:40
  2012. OTMJohn
  2013. c ya!
  2014. good times
  2015. 8:41
  2016. psymin
  2017. Cheeseness: trying to get past the administrator and into the med facility
  2018. 8:41
  2019. yama_
  2020. Thanks for joining us, OTMJohn.
  2021. 8:41
  2022. medacris
  2023. Thank you both, seeya next week!
  2024. 8:41
  2025. Permafry_42 left the room (quit: Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client).
  2026. 8:41
  2027. OTMJohn
  2028. Cheers!
  2029. alright well I suppose I"ll take my leave as well
  2030. you guys are aswesome
  2031. 8:42
  2032. Mimness
  2033. I may wander off too. Thanks so much Cheeseness and OTMJohn ^w^
  2034. 8:42
  2035. OTMJohn
  2036. I'll be back soon
  2037. 8:42
  2038. Cheeseness
  2039. Thanks heaps for coming, John
  2040. 8:42
  2041. RUBICN64 [Android@778054CE:DBF3806A:5B8A8EA9:IP] entered the room.
  2042. 8:42
  2043. OTMJohn
  2044. it's my pleasure!
  2045. peace out!
  2046. 8:42
  2047. Cheeseness
  2048. Here's the thread - would love to see some thoughts on the game from people http://www.doublefine.com/forums/viewthread/14333/
  2049. Cheers!
  2050. 8:42
  2051. Mimness left the room (quit: Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client).
  2052. 8:42
  2053. OTMJohn
  2054. Thanks for doing this guys! and Thanks Cheese for handling the Stream!
  2055. 8:43
  2056. OTMJohn left the room (quit: Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client).
  2057. 8:43
  2058. Cheeseness
  2059. psymin: Have you repaired the diagnostics console?
  2060. 8:43
  2061. psymin
  2062. Cheeseness: nope
  2063. 8:43
  2064. Cheeseness
  2065. Have you tried hiding from the security bot?
  2066. 8:44
  2067. psymin
  2068. yep
  2069. I've shot the wire
  2070. 8:44
  2071. Cheeseness
  2072. use the wire (that should repair the diagnostics console)
  2073. 8:44
  2074. psymin
  2075. got it
  2076. live wire
  2077. 8:45
  2078. medacris
  2079. I'm filling in the tropes page right now. Would "Action Girl" work for ARID?
  2080. 8:46
  2081. Cheeseness
  2082. That's a good question, medacris
  2083. 8:46
  2084. liorean
  2085. Now I'll wander off an play magicite, see you guys!
  2086. 8:46
  2087. Cheeseness
  2088. Thanks for coming, liorean!
  2089. I'll wrap up the chat log now, I think
  2090. Thanks everybody ^_^
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