[10/27/2016 1:09:57 AM] Tony: Could certainly do with some it now
[10/27/2016 1:10:03 AM] Pearl: uu wouldn't be in its current state with koko leading
[10/27/2016 1:10:05 AM] Tony: some of*
[10/27/2016 1:10:16 AM] Pearl: he hates the "check broken with broken mindset" and just kicks everything out
[10/27/2016 1:10:22 AM] Pearl: plus
[10/27/2016 1:10:27 AM] Pearl: he shares the same opinion as me re: entei
[10/27/2016 1:10:52 AM] Pearl: i actually don't get what's so hard to understand about entei being unhealthy
[10/27/2016 1:10:57 AM] Pearl: it's not even flat out broken nor am i trying to picture it as such
[10/27/2016 1:11:01 AM] Pearl: it's just that
[10/27/2016 1:11:03 AM] Pearl: you see entei
[10/27/2016 1:11:08 AM] Pearl: and then you see every single other fire mon in the tier
[10/27/2016 1:11:16 AM] Pearl: the only one that could possibly compete would be infernape
[10/27/2016 1:11:24 AM] Pearl: but i'll get into it later if u let me keep on going
[10/27/2016 1:11:25 AM] Pearl: so like
[10/27/2016 1:11:36 AM] Pearl: entei has the perfect stats for the role it needs to perform
[10/27/2016 1:11:46 AM] Pearl: passable bulk to get free switch ins on sylveon/celebi/some other common pokemon
[10/27/2016 1:12:00 AM] Tony: Entei would be fun as fuck if it had only gotten Flare Blitz and not Sacred Fire
[10/27/2016 1:12:07 AM] Pearl: a speed tier that allows it to outrun every defensive pokemon it needs to and even some more offensively oriented ones (nidoqueen and mega blaster mostly)
[10/27/2016 1:12:13 AM] Pearl: and a good attack stat
[10/27/2016 1:12:18 AM] Pearl: yeah sacred fire is what pushes it over the edge
[10/27/2016 1:12:20 AM] Pearl: cause like
[10/27/2016 1:12:23 AM] Pearl: people tell me shit like
[10/27/2016 1:12:30 AM] Pearl: "lol entei is ok because it exists to punish passive players"
[10/27/2016 1:12:33 AM] Pearl: ok so heres the deal
[10/27/2016 1:12:36 AM] Tony: Ugh
[10/27/2016 1:12:39 AM] Tony: I hate that
[10/27/2016 1:12:42 AM] Pearl: i'd be ok with entei existing as an option to punish said players
[10/27/2016 1:12:43 AM] Pearl: but like
[10/27/2016 1:12:47 AM] Pearl: u gotta keep 2 things in mind
[10/27/2016 1:13:49 AM] Pearl: a. it also restricts teambuilding like no other pokemon in the tier is able to because the typical fire-type pokemon checks are either useless against entei or are blanket checks to other physically offensive pokemon so you can just pair entei with any pokemon of choice for free wins (like for example entei + mega beedrill, entei + lucario, entei + conkeldurr)
[10/27/2016 1:15:18 AM] Pearl: b. entei isn't useless against offense. actually, it eats most offensive teams alive and dodmen is crazy if he says his offensive teams have no issues with entei because extremespeed is fantastic at picking off mega shark/tornadus/other speedy pokemon he commonly resorts to and it also has opportunities to fire off sacred fires on doublade, slower hazard setters if you're using those (like custap forry, which isn't good but is an option, nidoqueen, mamoswine etc)
[10/27/2016 1:15:29 AM] Pearl: my main concern is like
[10/27/2016 1:15:42 AM] Pearl: the lack of consistent checks to entei in comparison to other fire-types
[10/27/2016 1:16:05 AM] Tony: Something like Rhyperior for example
[10/27/2016 1:16:05 AM] Pearl: if entei wasn't in the tier u could actually get away with running shit like slowking or jellicent as soft checks to darmanitan/ape/whatever other fire mons people would be running
[10/27/2016 1:16:09 AM] Pearl: but burns are so punishing
[10/27/2016 1:16:14 AM] Pearl: no shut up entei isn't an answer
[10/27/2016 1:16:16 AM] Pearl: not entei.
[10/27/2016 1:16:17 AM] Pearl: rhyperior.
[10/27/2016 1:16:21 AM] Pearl: when i was laddering
[10/27/2016 1:16:26 AM] Pearl: with some rhyperior voltturn team
[10/27/2016 1:16:28 AM] Pearl: this entei
[10/27/2016 1:16:33 AM] Pearl: 1v1'd my rhyperior from full
[10/27/2016 1:16:33 AM] Pearl: by
[10/27/2016 1:16:39 AM] Pearl: using sf on the first switch in
[10/27/2016 1:16:41 AM] Pearl: switching out
[10/27/2016 1:16:42 AM] Pearl: coming in again
[10/27/2016 1:16:45 AM] Pearl: using flare blitz twice
[10/27/2016 1:16:47 AM] Pearl: that + burn damage
[10/27/2016 1:16:51 AM] Pearl: str8 up killed my rhyperior
[10/27/2016 1:16:56 AM] Tony: That's what I meant though my bad for the wording
[10/27/2016 1:16:59 AM] Tony: It would be a check
[10/27/2016 1:17:05 AM] Tony: If SF didn't burn it
[10/27/2016 1:17:20 AM] Tony: But now you can't
[10/27/2016 1:17:27 AM] Tony: Consider something like it
[10/27/2016 1:17:31 AM] Pearl: sf burn chance is ridiculous and it makes entei ridiculous
[10/27/2016 1:17:34 AM] Pearl: like
[10/27/2016 1:17:39 AM] Pearl: just check my games vs vinc for uu open
[10/27/2016 1:17:45 AM] Pearl: i was completely powerless game 3
[10/27/2016 1:17:57 AM] Pearl: even tho i could've won under any other circumstance vs any other fire-type pokemon
[10/27/2016 1:17:59 AM] Pearl: but vinc just
[10/27/2016 1:18:01 AM] Pearl: goes entei
[10/27/2016 1:18:05 AM] Pearl: hits sacred fire on mola
[10/27/2016 1:18:07 AM] Pearl: mola is burned
[10/27/2016 1:18:24 AM] Pearl: i also happen to need mola to pivot into scarf hydra / check mega beedrill because aggron is easy to wear down and i'll need to pass wishes
[10/27/2016 1:18:43 AM] Pearl: can't do shit with mola burned because all he needs to do is rotate between entei/bee/empoleon
[10/27/2016 1:18:53 AM] Pearl: empoleon removes hazards and can afford to tank hits if he mispredicts
[10/27/2016 1:18:57 AM] Pearl: entei does his stuff
[10/27/2016 1:19:05 AM] Pearl: and then bee u-turn into his other stuff just puts me on a timer
[10/27/2016 1:19:08 AM] Pearl: imagine if it was like
[10/27/2016 1:19:10 AM] Pearl: darmanitan or ape
[10/27/2016 1:19:22 AM] Pearl: not having mola burned would give me such a bigger breathing room it'd be crazy
[10/27/2016 1:19:29 AM] Pearl: even assuming sr stayed up like they did that game
[10/27/2016 1:19:42 AM] Tony: Right yeah
[10/27/2016 1:19:47 AM] Pearl: switching into sr + fire-type mon u-turn is easy
[10/27/2016 1:20:00 AM] Pearl: and i know this is a biased example assuming the kind of shit i run
[10/27/2016 1:20:14 AM] Pearl: but it's also a good example because it shows how entei limits both in game options and teambuilding
[10/27/2016 1:20:26 AM] Pearl: because entei answers are limited to suicune and suicune and suicune
[10/27/2016 1:20:36 AM] Pearl: and i don't like how people are ok with running suicune on every team
[10/27/2016 1:20:40 AM] Pearl: ok i guess pert counts to an extent
[10/27/2016 1:20:47 AM] Pearl: (assuming reg pert here)
[10/27/2016 1:20:49 AM] Pearl: because like
[10/27/2016 1:20:59 AM] Pearl: pert is often used on bo teams that only need it as a 1 or 2 time switch in
[10/27/2016 1:21:19 AM] Pearl: resttalk mpert sets fall on the same category as suicune
[10/27/2016 1:21:27 AM] Pearl: because they're forced into resting which can translate into a massive momentum drain
[10/27/2016 1:21:45 AM] Tony: Brought that vs. you in case of Pearl Entei too
[10/27/2016 1:21:54 AM] Pearl: also like i was gonna say
[10/27/2016 1:22:09 AM] Pearl: ape can be similar to entei because np ape sets are excellent at breaking down teams that resort to regular fire-type checks
[10/27/2016 1:22:15 AM] Pearl: but the key differences are the following:
[10/27/2016 1:22:20 AM] Pearl: it requires a set up turn
[10/27/2016 1:22:25 AM] Pearl: it's a lot frailer
[10/27/2016 1:22:51 AM] Pearl: its match up vs offense is a lot worse because vacuum wave is a shitty priority move that's resisted by like 60% of offense's most common mons
[10/27/2016 1:22:58 AM] Pearl: and im counting lucario as a resist cause u just espeed its ass
[10/27/2016 1:23:09 AM] Pearl: u know the drill
[10/27/2016 1:23:41 AM] Tony: Focus Blast variants rely on shaky accuracy
[10/27/2016 1:23:48 AM] Pearl: exactly
[10/27/2016 1:23:49 AM] Tony: While Sacred Fire is clickable as fuck
[10/27/2016 1:23:54 AM] Pearl: and they also forfeit the match up vs offense entirely
[10/27/2016 1:24:00 AM] Pearl: cause u just get outsped by most cleaners