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  1. [22.05.2011 18:06:04] Peter M: shushei, lamia, max, cyanide, fine with 7:30 gmt for the alienware match tomorrow?
  2. [22.05.2011 18:08:29] Lauri Happonen: yes
  3. [22.05.2011 18:10:27] Peter M: thats one hour before the go4lol monthly final btw
  4. [22.05.2011 18:57:43] Peter M: i d like to get an answer from everybody tonight
  5. [22.05.2011 19:04:10] lamiazealot: yes
  6. [22.05.2011 19:04:15] lamiazealot: works
  7. [22.05.2011 20:33:40] Maciej Ratuszniak: sure
  8. [22.05.2011 22:55:33] Peter M: LLL asked to play against them on tuesday for some practicing
  9. [16:24:52] Peter M: greetings folks
  10. [16:42:19] Peter M: hmmm
  11. [16:42:32] Peter M: the day I pardon someone in tribunal yet has to come :<
  12. [16:42:43] Harry Wiggett: hey Peter
  13. [16:43:17] Peter M: hey harry
  14. [16:43:57] Harry Wiggett: ready to own tonight? :)
  15. [16:45:37] Peter M: for sure
  16. [17:18:24] Maciej Ratuszniak: yo guys
  17. [17:18:32] Maciej Ratuszniak: anyone can gimme link with good tournament realm client ? :D
  18. [17:18:46] bram de winter: yes
  19. [17:18:46] bram de winter: I can
  20. [17:20:25] bram de winter: http://l3cdn.riotgames.com/tournament/Rumble/RumbleBuild.zip
  21. [18:03:55] Danijel Remus: is Lamia
  22. [18:03:57] Danijel Remus: gonna be here
  23. [18:04:01] Danijel Remus: tonight at some point?
  24. [18:05:42] lamiazealot: yes
  25. [18:05:46] lamiazealot: sure why?
  26. [18:06:24] Danijel Remus: cuz we all need to talk
  27. [18:06:40] Danijel Remus: re Dreamhack
  28. [18:06:41] Harry Wiggett: guys, all here?
  29. [18:06:44] bram de winter: yes
  30. [18:06:53] Maciej Ratuszniak: mhm
  31. [18:07:15] Danijel Remus: Enrique is here he msged me a few minutes ago
  32. [18:07:25] Danijel Remus: Peter/max here?
  33. [18:07:31] bram de winter: I don't know
  34. [18:07:33] bram de winter: mmm
  35. [18:07:40] bram de winter: mellisan aka peter should be here
  36. [18:08:19] Enrique "xPeke" Iglesias: yes
  37. [18:08:56] Peter M: ye
  38. [18:08:58] Peter M: i m back
  39. [18:09:03] Peter M: was eatin
  40. [18:09:05] bram de winter: wb
  41. [18:09:13] Harry Wiggett: is that everyone?
  42. [18:09:19] max.: re
  43. [18:09:25] Lauri Happonen: Max is coming in a sec.
  44. [18:09:34] Lauri Happonen: oh
  45. [18:09:34] Lauri Happonen: k
  46. [18:09:51] Lauri Happonen: Everyone is here
  47. [18:10:35] Danijel Remus: okay so lately there have been some problems obviously as I hear from Harry
  48. [18:10:41] Danijel Remus: so thats why we are here now to discuss those
  49. [18:10:50] Danijel Remus: and make some decisions re Dreamhack
  50. [18:11:15] Enrique "xPeke" Iglesias: ok
  51. [18:11:19] Tim "WetDreaM" Buysse: we do this writing?
  52. [18:11:23] Danijel Remus: yes
  53. [18:11:55] Harry Wiggett: Seeing as only 5 can play, who do u all think sould be the 5?
  54. [18:12:05] lamiazealot: cyanide shushei lamia xpeke failer
  55. [18:12:10] Maciej Ratuszniak: +1
  56. [18:12:15] bram de winter: agreed
  57. [18:12:20] Enrique "xPeke" Iglesias: y
  58. [18:12:21] Lauri Happonen: yes
  59. [18:12:23] Peter M: -1
  60. [18:12:29] Peter M: me instead of failer
  61. [18:12:30] Tim "WetDreaM" Buysse: -2
  62. [18:12:34] lamiazealot: mellisan wetdream is lying to you all the time
  63. [18:12:38] lamiazealot: i hope u dont blieve everything
  64. [18:12:42] Danijel Remus: stop it
  65. [18:12:53] Danijel Remus: at first its not small thing
  66. [18:12:55] Danijel Remus: accusing someone to be a liar
  67. [18:13:10] Danijel Remus: when u guys joined
  68. [18:13:35] Danijel Remus: you really looked like as awesome group of friends and seems that u are having quite of downtime
  69. [18:14:14] Enrique "xPeke" Iglesias: we still have a good group of people the only problem now is one person
  70. [18:14:31] Peter M: who?
  71. [18:14:35] Enrique "xPeke" Iglesias: wetdream
  72. [18:14:37] Enrique "xPeke" Iglesias: wanting to make a new team
  73. [18:14:37] lamiazealot: +1
  74. [18:14:39] Enrique "xPeke" Iglesias: fro dreamhack
  75. [18:14:40] Enrique "xPeke" Iglesias: and faking us all over
  76. [18:14:58] Maciej Ratuszniak: idd you dont know it but at some point i was on edge of "leaving " team cuz of wetdream aswell
  77. [18:15:26] Danijel Remus: what do you mean when u say make a new team
  78. [18:15:28] Danijel Remus: for DH?
  79. [18:15:31] Enrique "xPeke" Iglesias: yes
  80. [18:15:32] Enrique "xPeke" Iglesias: he threated
  81. [18:15:33] lamiazealot: yes he wants to
  82. [18:15:35] Enrique "xPeke" Iglesias: contacting riot
  83. [18:15:38] Enrique "xPeke" Iglesias: and try to make a new team
  84. [18:15:39] Enrique "xPeke" Iglesias: kicking us all
  85. [18:15:41] lamiazealot: threatened#*
  86. [18:15:58] lamiazealot: there were more threats
  87. [18:16:11] Danijel Remus: you guys signed contract
  88. [18:16:16] Danijel Remus: with us right?
  89. [18:16:22] Peter M: sure
  90. [18:16:24] Enrique "xPeke" Iglesias: yes
  91. [18:16:32] Maciej Ratuszniak: ye
  92. [18:16:34] Danijel Remus: that means no player can leave or make new team
  93. [18:16:40] Danijel Remus: without my approval
  94. [18:16:46] lamiazealot: we didnt want anyone to make a new team
  95. [18:16:51] lamiazealot: one person wanted to make a new team
  96. [18:16:57] Danijel Remus: it's legal bond between organization and player/s
  97. [18:16:59] Enrique "xPeke" Iglesias: thats why we came to you
  98. [18:17:00] Enrique "xPeke" Iglesias: yesterday
  99. [18:17:00] lamiazealot: thats why the rest of the team wants to stay
  100. [18:17:24] Danijel Remus: this also kind of shows my point about having more than 5 players for 5v5 game
  101. [18:17:34] Danijel Remus: u had fair points why that can be good
  102. [18:17:39] Danijel Remus: but now it also shows why it can be very bad
  103. [18:17:42] Danijel Remus: for the whole team
  104. [18:17:46] Lauri Happonen: True
  105. [18:17:59] Danijel Remus: therefore we obviously have to make some cuts
  106. [18:18:09] Danijel Remus: so we dont get into situation like this again
  107. [18:18:19] Danijel Remus: as it damages both organization and players
  108. [18:18:28] Danijel Remus: it leads to bad spirit and affects in game performance
  109. [18:18:34] Danijel Remus: and can make all of us look bad in public
  110. [18:18:37] Danijel Remus: and nobody wants it right?
  111. [18:18:44] Enrique "xPeke" Iglesias: nope
  112. [18:18:46] Enrique "xPeke" Iglesias: right
  113. [18:18:47] bram de winter: ofc no one wants that
  114. [18:19:02] Harry Wiggett: hence the ESL encounter, was all over the internet
  115. [18:19:12] max.: indeed
  116. [18:19:13] max.: qq
  117. [18:19:35] Danijel Remus: yes exactly
  118. [18:19:54] Danijel Remus: since DH is upon us
  119. [18:20:02] Danijel Remus: and we need to focus on the qualifiers more than anything
  120. [18:20:08] Danijel Remus: to qualify for that big event
  121. [18:20:25] Danijel Remus: where (with LoL team) FnaticMSI should have 25 people
  122. [18:20:27] Danijel Remus: which is a lot
  123. [18:21:19] Danijel Remus: and it's good for organization but with all teams/players minded to respresent our organization in the best light
  124. [18:21:26] Danijel Remus: and to aim high, for highest places in every tournament
  125. [18:21:38] Danijel Remus: last thing we need is riot among the players
  126. [18:21:51] Danijel Remus: before I move to a point which came after things said above
  127. [18:22:01] Danijel Remus: does anyone wants to say/ask smth about what I said?
  128. [18:22:30] Enrique "xPeke" Iglesias: yes thats what we always wanted
  129. [18:22:35] Enrique "xPeke" Iglesias: aim for this kind of big events
  130. [18:22:38] Enrique "xPeke" Iglesias: and go win them
  131. [18:23:14] Harry Wiggett: thats what we want aswell
  132. [18:23:25] Danijel Remus: right so
  133. [18:24:26] Danijel Remus: we currently have 7 contracted players, which was more than we ever had for 5v5 game, but we wanted to try it and give it a go
  134. [18:24:54] Danijel Remus: you will all admit most of the problems were caused by having too big lineup, therefore we cant contract more players
  135. [18:24:56] Danijel Remus: in this case Bram
  136. [18:26:04] Danijel Remus: the problem with you and DH is that we cant have you for DH as you are not contracted, it is too close and we have a lot of things to take care of as 20 other players will go to compete in different games
  137. [18:26:47] Danijel Remus: what we discussed recently is the following lineup which initially signed for us from the first moment
  138. [18:27:00] Danijel Remus: people that are part of Fnatic since the moment we announced LoL team
  139. [18:27:07] Danijel Remus: cyanide, xpeke, mellisan, lamiazealot, shushei
  140. [18:27:16] Peter M: sounds good
  141. [18:27:38] max.: yea
  142. [18:27:43] Danijel Remus: Riot said u can't rotate and that 5 ppl will play
  143. [18:27:45] Danijel Remus: this is proposal
  144. [18:27:49] Danijel Remus: cyanide, xpeke, mellisan, lamiazealot, shushei
  145. [18:27:59] Enrique "xPeke" Iglesias: u wont make a new contract for bram ?
  146. [18:28:07] Danijel Remus: no, that wont be possible
  147. [18:28:12] Tim "WetDreaM" Buysse: failer can have mine
  148. [18:28:13] Danijel Remus: I am sorry but it's not possible
  149. [18:28:16] Maciej Ratuszniak: like you could sign it at dreamhack
  150. [18:28:22] Danijel Remus: no
  151. [18:28:29] Enrique "xPeke" Iglesias: but we want to go with bram
  152. [18:28:39] Maciej Ratuszniak: +1
  153. [18:28:46] max.: i dont get this
  154. [18:28:48] max.: i honestly
  155. [18:28:49] max.: dont
  156. [18:28:49] Danijel Remus: what is the problem with the lineup up there
  157. [18:28:51] Danijel Remus: cyanide, xpeke, mellisan, lamiazealot, shushei
  158. [18:29:04] Enrique "xPeke" Iglesias: that we want cyanide, xpeke, bram, lamiazealot, shushei
  159. [18:29:10] Enrique "xPeke" Iglesias: i honetly think we have more chances
  160. [18:29:10] Enrique "xPeke" Iglesias: like that
  161. [18:29:20] Tim "WetDreaM" Buysse: what do you think will happen after dreamhack
  162. [18:29:24] Enrique "xPeke" Iglesias: that we
  163. [18:29:25] Tim "WetDreaM" Buysse: they drop mellisan and me
  164. [18:29:25] Enrique "xPeke" Iglesias: only will be 5 guys
  165. [18:29:27] Enrique "xPeke" Iglesias: the 5 i said
  166. [18:29:28] Enrique "xPeke" Iglesias: yes
  167. [18:29:29] Tim "WetDreaM" Buysse: and continue somewhere else
  168. [18:29:32] max.: and me
  169. [18:29:33] max.: ^
  170. [18:29:36] Tim "WetDreaM" Buysse: and max :)
  171. [18:29:41] Enrique "xPeke" Iglesias: hm
  172. [18:29:43] Peter M: well
  173. [18:29:44] Enrique "xPeke" Iglesias: we dont want to drop max at all
  174. [18:29:50] Peter M: one simple question from me
  175. [18:29:56] Peter M: whats wrong with me?
  176. [18:30:02] Danijel Remus: I wanted to ask the same
  177. [18:30:07] Peter M: seems i did sth bad to all of you
  178. [18:30:17] lamiazealot: we dont know anythign about you you have been distanced from us the last 2 days and were just basically talking with wetdream
  179. [18:30:21] Lauri Happonen: I dont think there is anything wrong with you
  180. [18:30:29] Peter M: well
  181. [18:30:31] Peter M: lamia
  182. [18:30:36] Peter M: thats not about me
  183. [18:30:41] Peter M: thats because well
  184. [18:30:42] Tim "WetDreaM" Buysse: failer just convinced you all to take him
  185. [18:30:47] Tim "WetDreaM" Buysse: he even talked to fnatic behind my back
  186. [18:31:02] Tim "WetDreaM" Buysse: i can tell you lamia, cyanide voted mellisan first
  187. [18:31:03] Peter M: everyone but wetdream and me and max are just doing all the talking and arrangements somewhere else
  188. [18:31:06] Tim "WetDreaM" Buysse: untill failer talked to them
  189. [18:31:09] Tim "WetDreaM" Buysse: shushei didnt care
  190. [18:31:15] Tim "WetDreaM" Buysse: only peke said failer
  191. [18:31:15] Harry Wiggett: it seems the team is split into two
  192. [18:31:21] Harry Wiggett: right
  193. [18:31:27] Tim "WetDreaM" Buysse: not really a new team is formed
  194. [18:31:39] Tim "WetDreaM" Buysse: and they will continue with or without fnatic
  195. [18:31:42] Maciej Ratuszniak: well i said i;m more for failer but i dont care that much cuz i dont play duo lane
  196. [18:31:43] Tim "WetDreaM" Buysse: after dreamhack
  197. [18:31:47] Danijel Remus: they cant continue
  198. [18:31:52] Danijel Remus: nobody can continue
  199. [18:31:54] Danijel Remus: WITHOUT FNATIC
  200. [18:31:57] Danijel Remus: until contract expires
  201. [18:32:02] Danijel Remus: or we mutually agree
  202. [18:32:04] Tim "WetDreaM" Buysse: you know as good as me
  203. [18:32:07] Tim "WetDreaM" Buysse: if you force players to stay
  204. [18:32:07] Danijel Remus: seems like
  205. [18:32:12] Tim "WetDreaM" Buysse: its bad for both
  206. [18:32:14] Danijel Remus: not all people around understand things
  207. [18:32:24] Danijel Remus: you guys singed legal contracts
  208. [18:32:30] Lauri Happonen: Im aware
  209. [18:32:32] Danijel Remus: in simple words
  210. [18:32:33] Enrique "xPeke" Iglesias: yes
  211. [18:32:35] Danijel Remus: u cant leave when u want
  212. [18:32:35] Enrique "xPeke" Iglesias: we know that
  213. [18:32:36] lamiazealot: we know
  214. [18:32:36] Maciej Ratuszniak: we know
  215. [18:32:37] Enrique "xPeke" Iglesias: we want as fnatic
  216. [18:32:38] Enrique "xPeke" Iglesias: those 5
  217. [18:32:39] Enrique "xPeke" Iglesias: to dreamhack
  218. [18:32:56] Maciej Ratuszniak: and those 5 as fnatic after dreamhack aswell
  219. [18:34:19] Danijel Remus: Bram is not an option for DH that's 100%
  220. [18:34:24] Danijel Remus: cyanide, xpeke, mellisan, lamiazealot, shushei
  221. [18:34:25] Enrique "xPeke" Iglesias: why ?
  222. [18:34:44] Danijel Remus: because we cant arrange new contract, all the gear and everything for DHS
  223. [18:34:47] Enrique "xPeke" Iglesias: no
  224. [18:34:49] Enrique "xPeke" Iglesias: he doesnt want
  225. [18:34:49] Enrique "xPeke" Iglesias: gear
  226. [18:34:53] Enrique "xPeke" Iglesias: he doesnt want anything
  227. [18:34:54] Enrique "xPeke" Iglesias: he just want
  228. [18:34:55] Enrique "xPeke" Iglesias: to be able to play
  229. [18:35:01] Danijel Remus: he cant play with any other gear
  230. [18:35:05] Harry Wiggett: if he plays for fnatic, he has the gear for DHS...
  231. [18:35:09] Danijel Remus: than SS gear we provide
  232. [18:35:11] Enrique "xPeke" Iglesias: he has steelseries
  233. [18:35:11] Enrique "xPeke" Iglesias: stuff
  234. [18:35:12] Harry Wiggett: thats what sponsors are for
  235. [18:35:12] Enrique "xPeke" Iglesias: he can say
  236. [18:35:14] Enrique "xPeke" Iglesias: it has been given
  237. [18:35:15] Enrique "xPeke" Iglesias: from fnatic
  238. [18:35:22] Enrique "xPeke" Iglesias: he has full SS gear
  239. [18:35:23] Enrique "xPeke" Iglesias: from himself
  240. [18:35:27] Enrique "xPeke" Iglesias: he can say its form fnatic
  241. [18:35:37] Maciej Ratuszniak: bram got all steelsereies gear
  242. [18:35:37] Harry Wiggett: we dont act like that here...
  243. [18:35:40] Enrique "xPeke" Iglesias: ..
  244. [18:35:42] Maciej Ratuszniak: by himself
  245. [18:35:47] Enrique "xPeke" Iglesias: so u dont want you team to be happy either?
  246. [18:35:57] Danijel Remus: u and maceij
  247. [18:35:59] Danijel Remus: do not make a team
  248. [18:36:03] Enrique "xPeke" Iglesias: no
  249. [18:36:04] Enrique "xPeke" Iglesias: bram
  250. [18:36:04] Enrique "xPeke" Iglesias: lamia
  251. [18:36:05] Enrique "xPeke" Iglesias: cyanide
  252. [18:36:06] Danijel Remus: so lets see
  253. [18:36:07] Enrique "xPeke" Iglesias: 5 guys
  254. [18:36:08] lamiazealot: i agree
  255. [18:36:08] Enrique "xPeke" Iglesias: makes a team
  256. [18:36:09] lamiazealot: we are 5
  257. [18:36:11] lamiazealot: 5 guys
  258. [18:36:12] Danijel Remus: with other people
  259. [18:36:12] Maciej Ratuszniak: I;m Shushei
  260. [18:36:14] Maciej Ratuszniak: btw
  261. [18:36:17] Maciej Ratuszniak: if you dont know Daniel
  262. [18:36:17] Danijel Remus: I know who you are
  263. [18:36:18] Maciej Ratuszniak: ;p
  264. [18:36:48] lamiazealot: cyanide failer peke shushei and bram have talked about everything we agree on all those points
  265. [18:36:53] max.: so u dont want you team to be happy either?
  266. [18:36:59] max.: reallly peke?
  267. [18:37:01] max.: wow-.-
  268. [18:37:13] max.: i dont get
  269. [18:37:19] max.: how you can be so openly offensive
  270. [18:37:21] max.: towards mellisan
  271. [18:37:23] max.: i really dont
  272. [18:37:23] Harry Wiggett: u are not considering everyones opinion
  273. [18:37:28] max.: i am
  274. [18:37:30] max.: i really am
  275. [18:37:34] Harry Wiggett: i dont mean u
  276. [18:37:41] Harry Wiggett: im talking to Peke mainly
  277. [18:37:42] max.: but i dont get this desperate drama about letting an old mate play
  278. [18:37:45] Harry Wiggett: of course we want the team to be happy
  279. [18:37:46] max.: like it was a torture
  280. [18:37:51] Harry Wiggett: we want the players who are part of Fnatic to be happy
  281. [18:38:12] Peter M: I still feel like I ve done sth bad to everyone
  282. [18:38:18] Peter M: or did I miss anything?
  283. [18:38:31] Peter M: that everyone doesn t want me after all I ve done for the team
  284. [18:38:39] lamiazealot: We dont know where you stand
  285. [18:38:51] Tim "WetDreaM" Buysse: they are scared you support me mellisan
  286. [18:38:53] Tim "WetDreaM" Buysse: thats all
  287. [18:39:08] Peter M: ah ok
  288. [18:39:12] Danijel Remus: why would anyone be scared etc when
  289. [18:39:13] Danijel Remus: Tim himself
  290. [18:39:17] Danijel Remus: also proposed the linuep
  291. [18:39:18] Danijel Remus: I said before
  292. [18:39:23] Danijel Remus: and he didnt include himself
  293. [18:39:24] lamiazealot: yeah...
  294. [18:39:26] Danijel Remus: so others can go
  295. [18:39:30] Danijel Remus: ?
  296. [18:39:37] Maciej Ratuszniak: the main point i;m for failer more than melisan is that someone here said "i leave team if you dont vote for me to dh"
  297. [18:39:46] Tim "WetDreaM" Buysse: but this doesnt stand anymore as i know the team will drop me anyway now
  298. [18:39:50] Maciej Ratuszniak: it rlly offended me
  299. [18:39:52] Maciej Ratuszniak: Melisan
  300. [18:39:58] Peter M: i never said that.
  301. [18:40:04] Tim "WetDreaM" Buysse: shushei
  302. [18:40:05] Tim "WetDreaM" Buysse: you real
  303. [18:40:14] Tim "WetDreaM" Buysse: peke doesnt hurt you?
  304. [18:40:17] Maciej Ratuszniak: well wetdream said you said it
  305. [18:40:21] Tim "WetDreaM" Buysse: peke said he will leave aswell
  306. [18:40:24] Tim "WetDreaM" Buysse: if he doesnt play
  307. [18:40:31] Tim "WetDreaM" Buysse: hell he will even leave after dreamhack
  308. [18:40:33] Tim "WetDreaM" Buysse: to wizards
  309. [18:40:36] Enrique "xPeke" Iglesias: yes
  310. [18:40:38] Enrique "xPeke" Iglesias: sure ^^
  311. [18:40:41] lamiazealot: ^^ thats just..
  312. [18:40:47] bram de winter: correct words : it would never be the same and I will consider on leaving.
  313. [18:40:48] Peter M: well shushei, wetdream can say alot
  314. [18:40:52] Peter M: but i didn t say it
  315. [18:40:53] Tim "WetDreaM" Buysse: peke is it a lie
  316. [18:40:55] Tim "WetDreaM" Buysse: that you said
  317. [18:40:58] Maciej Ratuszniak: but peke didnt say it openly he would "after" not being chosen thats the difrence (though he wouldnt be able to :D )
  318. [18:40:58] Tim "WetDreaM" Buysse: if you are not select
  319. [18:41:01] Enrique "xPeke" Iglesias: if i didnt go to dreamhack
  320. [18:41:01] bram de winter: that's what mellisan said to wetdream and wetdream to us
  321. [18:41:01] Tim "WetDreaM" Buysse: sleezcted
  322. [18:41:02] Enrique "xPeke" Iglesias: i would leave
  323. [18:41:03] Enrique "xPeke" Iglesias: but thats not the case
  324. [18:41:08] Tim "WetDreaM" Buysse: so
  325. [18:41:14] Tim "WetDreaM" Buysse: shushei is offended by mellisan
  326. [18:41:16] Tim "WetDreaM" Buysse: cause he said that
  327. [18:41:19] Tim "WetDreaM" Buysse: but not by you
  328. [18:41:21] Tim "WetDreaM" Buysse: makes perfect snese
  329. [18:41:23] Tim "WetDreaM" Buysse: sense
  330. [18:41:29] Enrique "xPeke" Iglesias: yes
  331. [18:41:40] Lauri Happonen: I have chatlogs in skype of me speaking with Tim about him wanting to kick us all and going into DH with new people, Daniel.
  332. [18:41:47] Danijel Remus: makes no sense at all tbh
  333. [18:41:51] lamiazealot: yepthats all that matters
  334. [18:41:51] lamiazealot: tothe rest
  335. [18:41:55] Danijel Remus: anyways listen
  336. [18:42:02] Danijel Remus: even if he did that or didnt do
  337. [18:42:04] Danijel Remus: I wont go into it
  338. [18:42:08] Danijel Remus: what he said to me
  339. [18:42:11] Danijel Remus: like some time ago
  340. [18:42:20] Danijel Remus: when all these talks about DH lineup started
  341. [18:42:23] Danijel Remus: and if 6 players could go
  342. [18:42:58] Danijel Remus: he even back then said he would stay out of your way if only 5 can play because he doesnt want to spoil it for you guys who expected to go
  343. [18:43:14] Tim "WetDreaM" Buysse: that was when this was still a team
  344. [18:43:16] Harry Wiggett: yes i can vouch on that
  345. [18:43:25] Tim "WetDreaM" Buysse: and i had a guaranteed spot in the team after that
  346. [18:43:48] Tim "WetDreaM" Buysse: i dont see why i should still support this
  347. [18:43:55] Tim "WetDreaM" Buysse: if i know they just want to get rid of me
  348. [18:43:58] lamiazealot: So he said that and then he wants to kick us all because we voted for the 5 best and he wasnt included? that doesnt make it worth him saying it in the first place
  349. [18:45:49] Danijel Remus: need 5 mins sorry
  350. [18:45:52] Danijel Remus: I'll be back in 5 max
  351. [18:45:54] Danijel Remus: smth popped up
  352. [18:46:19] Harry Wiggett: We understand that not everyone is gonna get their way with this situation
  353. [18:46:23] Harry Wiggett: because thats simply impossible
  354. [18:46:31] Harry Wiggett: thats why this is so hard to fix
  355. [18:46:56] Tim "WetDreaM" Buysse: i already told you how to fix this the best for you, the team and me
  356. [18:56:15] Danijel Remus: sorry re
  357. [18:56:26] Danijel Remus: do you think Mellisan is skillwise not fitting well
  358. [18:56:31] Danijel Remus: into the team I proposed?
  359. [18:56:54] max.: if you ask me
  360. [18:56:56] max.: as a carry player
  361. [18:56:59] Danijel Remus: obviously nobody mentioned he was not skilled enough but always brought up this stupid dramma
  362. [18:57:04] max.: who often lanes with both bram and mellisan
  363. [18:57:10] Danijel Remus: as a reason why you prefer bram over mellisan
  364. [18:57:30] max.: i can ensure you that the difference is minor
  365. [18:57:34] max.: if existing at all
  366. [18:57:50] Tim "WetDreaM" Buysse: reason is because failer is a backtalking rat
  367. [18:57:58] Tim "WetDreaM" Buysse: who went to everyone in private
  368. [18:57:58] lamiazealot: ^^ yes wetdream its okay
  369. [18:58:01] Tim "WetDreaM" Buysse: and selled him as a whore
  370. [18:58:03] lamiazealot: no there is no problem skillwise
  371. [18:58:05] Tim "WetDreaM" Buysse: for his dreamhack spot
  372. [18:58:09] Danijel Remus: hey lets not insult each other please
  373. [18:58:17] Maciej Ratuszniak: and if there is no difrence in skill then the guy you fell better with is better
  374. [18:58:38] Maciej Ratuszniak: both of them got pros and cons
  375. [18:58:45] Maciej Ratuszniak: and Daniel
  376. [18:58:52] Maciej Ratuszniak: we are used to being insulted by wetdream
  377. [18:58:52] Maciej Ratuszniak: no worries
  378. [18:59:00] Maciej Ratuszniak: at least i am ^^
  379. [18:59:25] Tim "WetDreaM" Buysse: if it was for me you wouldnt even have been in this team shushei
  380. [18:59:29] Tim "WetDreaM" Buysse: after you begged me to join
  381. [18:59:35] Tim "WetDreaM" Buysse: told me afterwards you were not gonne join
  382. [18:59:38] Tim "WetDreaM" Buysse: because aaa won
  383. [18:59:42] Tim "WetDreaM" Buysse: and then again came back
  384. [18:59:46] Maciej Ratuszniak: but i am in team
  385. [18:59:48] Tim "WetDreaM" Buysse: i told my team it was up to them
  386. [18:59:48] lamiazealot: If it wasnt for shushei to carry you it would be another way around, that doesnt matter now
  387. [18:59:56] Tim "WetDreaM" Buysse: because i wouldnt have taken you
  388. [19:00:07] Tim "WetDreaM" Buysse: lamia
  389. [19:00:09] Tim "WetDreaM" Buysse: you also forgot
  390. [19:00:13] Tim "WetDreaM" Buysse: who brought you here
  391. [19:00:20] Harry Wiggett: guys, do u really thinks this helps sort this out?
  392. [19:00:22] Maciej Ratuszniak: if it wasnt for peke calming me everytime you raged me when i talked "back" to you i wouldnt be in team either
  393. [19:00:23] Harry Wiggett: its just making it worse
  394. [19:00:32] Tim "WetDreaM" Buysse: nope
  395. [19:00:32] Tim "WetDreaM" Buysse: not at all
  396. [19:00:36] Tim "WetDreaM" Buysse: cause you cant listen
  397. [19:00:44] Tim "WetDreaM" Buysse: look how happy you are
  398. [19:00:48] Tim "WetDreaM" Buysse: everytime you buy a ward
  399. [19:00:51] max.: well
  400. [19:00:57] max.: if you mind listening
  401. [19:00:59] max.: i think
  402. [19:01:05] max.: we all got our issues
  403. [19:01:09] max.: in terms of character
  404. [19:01:20] max.: shushei really tends to ignore advices
  405. [19:01:21] max.: thats a fact
  406. [19:01:24] max.: wetdream rages a lot too
  407. [19:01:26] max.: thats true
  408. [19:01:37] max.: but i dont know
  409. [19:01:45] max.: until a while ago we were able to coop with our differences
  410. [19:01:48] max.: and made a great team
  411. [19:01:52] max.: that was fully competetive
  412. [19:01:58] Harry Wiggett: when did this stop?
  413. [19:02:03] Harry Wiggett: what dio u think brought it on
  414. [19:02:08] max.: and we really enjoyed playing together
  415. [19:02:14] Lauri Happonen: It stopped when Wetdream threatened to kick people
  416. [19:02:16] max.: and i know that you didnt dislike each other aswell
  417. [19:02:22] max.: wetdream+ shushei
  418. [19:02:29] max.: but for some reason
  419. [19:02:31] max.: at some point
  420. [19:02:41] Harry Wiggett: what happened when Bram started playing?
  421. [19:02:43] max.: we started to move the competetive part of our team
  422. [19:02:48] max.: to interpersonal differences
  423. [19:02:49] Harry Wiggett: too many people wanting to play then it got out of hand?
  424. [19:03:01] max.: feels like were in a furious battle for spots in the team
  425. [19:03:05] max.: and thats disgusting
  426. [19:03:10] Harry Wiggett: yepe
  427. [19:03:12] max.: and yes
  428. [19:03:15] Harry Wiggett: because 8 people in 5v5 game
  429. [19:03:17] max.: i think that we are too many in the team
  430. [19:03:22] lamiazealot: Never did get out of hand until wetdream threatened all and raged when we did our vote on who should go and he wasnt in it because the team felt more comfortable without him
  431. [19:03:22] Harry Wiggett: is just asking for this kind of situation
  432. [19:03:28] Maciej Ratuszniak: I think its also more about holding back and then it went boom
  433. [19:03:32] max.: and maybe im the one whos the leftover
  434. [19:03:34] max.: but i doubt it
  435. [19:03:40] max.: because i never argued
  436. [19:03:44] max.: about me not being in a setup
  437. [19:03:53] max.: even though i was disappointed really often
  438. [19:04:04] max.: because i always wanted to prevent a situation like this to occur
  439. [19:04:15] Maciej Ratuszniak: like you can ask peke or lamia how many times i was telling them that i dont rlly like to play with wetdream and stuff and why i didnt talk to wetdream ? cuz i was scared of being kicked out of gr8 team. (not cuz i like to backtalk like wetdream would say )
  440. [19:04:19] lamiazealot: We told it to him in good conscience and nicely because he said before that he would do what the team decides but he actually couldnt take it
  441. [19:04:41] Harry Wiggett: obviously people have said things wrong
  442. [19:04:44] Harry Wiggett: and made mistakes
  443. [19:04:47] Peter M: uhm guys
  444. [19:04:50] max.: regardless
  445. [19:04:54] Harry Wiggett: but going behind eachothers back to us and eachother
  446. [19:04:56] max.: what led to mellisan not being in the team anymore?
  447. [19:04:58] Peter M: i think we are kinda getting a little off the track
  448. [19:05:01] max.: after having put SO much effort?
  449. [19:05:05] Harry Wiggett: is just not on, and shows no sign fo a co-operative team
  450. [19:05:06] max.: into this team
  451. [19:05:18] Tim "WetDreaM" Buysse: people forget that how it goes max
  452. [19:05:28] Tim "WetDreaM" Buysse: people forget who made them what they are
  453. [19:05:37] max.: i believe that if what you say is true
  454. [19:05:37] Danijel Remus: I want everyone on the team to act normally and not like Peter is someone
  455. [19:05:38] max.: cyanide
  456. [19:05:39] Danijel Remus: they dont know
  457. [19:05:43] max.: thats an awful mistake tim did
  458. [19:05:46] max.: and i bet hes regretting it
  459. [19:05:47] Danijel Remus: and judge him by "side he has taken to support Tim
  460. [19:05:53] max.: and he failed as a leader in that situation there
  461. [19:05:57] Danijel Remus: I mean that kind of stuff is not really acceptable
  462. [19:06:04] Lauri Happonen: I feel Mellisan is in the team I dont think he is worse than failer, I like him as much as person
  463. [19:06:11] max.: but im also sure that 2 months ago
  464. [19:06:15] Peter M: well danjiel
  465. [19:06:18] max.: noone had taken this so badly
  466. [19:06:24] max.: and people would have tried to talk to him
  467. [19:06:28] Peter M: i didn t reall pick any side yet
  468. [19:06:30] max.: instead of inofficially kicking him
  469. [19:06:38] Peter M: people are just laying randoms words into my mouth
  470. [19:06:39] max.: because there were times where we were actually interested
  471. [19:06:43] max.: in keeping our team together
  472. [19:06:44] Danijel Remus: thats also another point, like people thinking of that side picking and stuff
  473. [19:06:46] Tim "WetDreaM" Buysse: well events like dreamhack always brake up teams and make new teams this is no different for other teams or other games
  474. [19:06:50] Danijel Remus: nobody can prove anything
  475. [19:06:57] Danijel Remus: and it all sounds like kid talks and games
  476. [19:07:01] bram de winter: so you say
  477. [19:07:01] Danijel Remus: we are mature people
  478. [19:07:13] bram de winter: what you told to wetdream , and wetdream told to us is a lie?
  479. [19:07:23] Danijel Remus: I dont want team to pretend that Peter is all of a sudden
  480. [19:07:26] Danijel Remus: unknown person
  481. [19:07:30] Peter M: well
  482. [19:07:34] Danijel Remus: and for no reason unwanted
  483. [19:07:38] Danijel Remus: when u played with him for how long
  484. [19:07:50] Danijel Remus: and all of a sudden u cant play with him anymore
  485. [19:08:03] Tim "WetDreaM" Buysse: i dont want mellisan taking my side, especially not if the team hates him for that
  486. [19:08:03] Peter M: would be better if i knew what you are talking about exactly bram
  487. [19:08:19] bram de winter: so basicly , when wetdream told us. when they would not pick you for dreamhack you would feel unconfterable and prolly want to leave the team is a lie?
  488. [19:08:35] Tim "WetDreaM" Buysse: bram
  489. [19:08:38] Tim "WetDreaM" Buysse: peke said the same
  490. [19:08:42] bram de winter: so what
  491. [19:08:43] Enrique "xPeke" Iglesias: this may sound cocky
  492. [19:08:44] Enrique "xPeke" Iglesias: but if u dont pick me
  493. [19:08:46] Enrique "xPeke" Iglesias: is like not picking
  494. [19:08:46] Enrique "xPeke" Iglesias: lamia
  495. [19:08:47] bram de winter: that's totaly out of the picture
  496. [19:08:48] Enrique "xPeke" Iglesias: or shushei
  497. [19:08:50] Enrique "xPeke" Iglesias: ...
  498. [19:08:52] Tim "WetDreaM" Buysse: and you openly in front of everyone judged mellisan and how much better you were
  499. [19:08:55] bram de winter: that's like a little child saying
  500. [19:08:56] Tim "WetDreaM" Buysse: then him
  501. [19:08:58] Tim "WetDreaM" Buysse: and you should go
  502. [19:08:58] lamiazealot: Well i think because you wrote that you want the team to be happy and atm the majority felt more happy this way they wrote they would prefere bram and asked if its possible. There is no problem with mellisans skill or anything hes an excpetional player just as bram and we like him, it's just that the rest of the team has talked together yesterday and today and we didnt hear of mellisan
  503. [19:09:00] bram de winter: OH BECAUSE THE OTHER GUY DID IT TO ITS NORMAL?
  504. [19:09:15] Lauri Happonen: Exactly lamia
  505. [19:09:19] Tim "WetDreaM" Buysse: your only goal is dreamhack and i can understand you, and i also know you do anything to get a spot there
  506. [19:09:38] Danijel Remus: so Mellisan is here now I mean maybe he wanst available yesterday or smth
  507. [19:09:40] Danijel Remus: ?
  508. [19:09:43] Danijel Remus: wasnt*
  509. [19:09:55] Peter M: i was
  510. [19:09:57] bram de winter: no , he was talking with wetdream all the time. he has been here all the time.
  511. [19:10:05] Peter M: i was?
  512. [19:10:07] bram de winter: and that's not a lie
  513. [19:10:08] Peter M: didn t know that
  514. [19:10:14] bram de winter: every time I sended a single message to you
  515. [19:10:18] bram de winter: you answered instantly
  516. [19:10:25] Tim "WetDreaM" Buysse: he wasnt talking with me all the time
  517. [19:10:26] Tim "WetDreaM" Buysse: wtf
  518. [19:10:29] Tim "WetDreaM" Buysse: noone talked with me
  519. [19:10:32] max.: then why didnt you ask him to come mumble?
  520. [19:10:32] max.: Oo
  521. [19:10:34] max.: wtf
  522. [19:10:36] max.: lol
  523. [19:10:37] Maciej Ratuszniak: i wasnt here on comparison but peke lamia and failer knows how i fell cuz we often speak together which for me is not the case with melisan
  524. [19:10:39] bram de winter: hey I don't know
  525. [19:10:42] Tim "WetDreaM" Buysse: if i wanted a response i had to start a convo myself
  526. [19:10:48] Peter M: i was on mumble 75% of the time, i was in lol, I was on skype
  527. [19:10:56] Peter M: only lamia talked with me yesterday
  528. [19:11:11] lamiazealot: its just that everyone came to each other and asked hey can i talk to you and mellisan just didnt come and ask us hey guys whats up like basically that
  529. [19:11:16] Maciej Ratuszniak: uh i missed cyanide :D
  530. [19:11:17] lamiazealot: thats what i just felt to be strange
  531. [19:11:43] lamiazealot: like coming from oneself
  532. [19:11:43] Peter M: when was that ?
  533. [19:11:47] lamiazealot: all day long
  534. [19:12:00] Peter M: wierd, noone asked me
  535. [19:12:04] lamiazealot: yes
  536. [19:12:06] lamiazealot: but
  537. [19:12:09] lamiazealot: everyone asked each other
  538. [19:12:21] lamiazealot: and came on to peke or me and asked if we can talk
  539. [19:12:35] lamiazealot: everyone who was interested we thought to talk things out
  540. [19:12:44] Peter M: we
  541. [19:12:50] Danijel Remus: okay, misscommuniacation and stuff
  542. [19:12:54] Danijel Remus: so fix things today
  543. [19:12:55] lamiazealot: yes danjiel
  544. [19:12:57] Danijel Remus: thats why we are here
  545. [19:12:59] lamiazealot: danijel
  546. [19:13:05] Peter M: well you mean failer, you, cyanide, peke and shushei i guess?
  547. [19:13:46] Maciej Ratuszniak: (yesterday i was still tipsy from weeding :D but i came to say hi and make my point then i went to bed fast :P )
  548. [19:14:20] bram de winter: danjiel you keep saying you want to make this team happy?
  549. [19:14:25] bram de winter: right?
  550. [19:14:36] Danijel Remus: no
  551. [19:14:43] Danijel Remus: ofc I want team happy
  552. [19:14:44] bram de winter: what are you doing at this moment than?
  553. [19:14:46] Danijel Remus: but there are many things
  554. [19:14:48] Danijel Remus: that are defining
  555. [19:14:48] Peter M: btw guys, alienware match in 15 min, get your clients rdy plz
  556. [19:14:50] Danijel Remus: that happynes
  557. [19:14:54] Danijel Remus: for company and a team
  558. [19:14:59] bram de winter: ok
  559. [19:14:59] lamiazealot: we are in the arena program
  560. [19:15:00] lamiazealot: ^^
  561. [19:15:02] bram de winter: people keep saying the same to you
  562. [19:15:05] bram de winter: over and over again
  563. [19:15:06] lamiazealot: i got a match open or do u wanna crete?
  564. [19:15:18] Danijel Remus: I dont need
  565. [19:15:21] Danijel Remus: anyone to put me in sense
  566. [19:15:29] bram de winter: ok
  567. [19:15:29] Danijel Remus: and explain what people are talking about but thanks
  568. [19:15:31] Danijel Remus: for a hint
  569. [19:15:36] Danijel Remus: the policy
  570. [19:15:42] bram de winter: I Don't want to offend you
  571. [19:15:42] bram de winter: in any way
  572. [19:15:59] bram de winter: I just wonder what the result has to be :S
  573. [19:16:34] Danijel Remus: of our company is that all players that are FNATIC are contracted and have to be contracted to represent our name, sponsors, wear our clothes
  574. lamiazealot
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