→ nefario (~nefario@92.40.253.82.threembb.co.uk) joined
<pigeons> hey nefario
<nefario> I heard someones having some issues
<nefario> yo
<nefario> ok so lets have the questions and I'll answer as best as I can
<mcorlett> nefario: Identify yourself.
<nefario> I am nefario
<mircea_popescu> yea, that. after which  : have you talked to a lawyer or are you just winging it ?
<mcorlett> Prove it.
<nefario> someone email doctor.nefario@gmail.com a number
<pigeons> i emailed nefario to let him know how people are feeling and thought he would want to communicate
<mircea_popescu> dude, ident with gribble
<nefario> another time, it's been ages since I've used gribble
<mircea_popescu> sigh,
<pigeons> i asked him to come and he did
<nefario> we'll I've not been on here for ages
<nefario> months
<mircea_popescu> guy has the cheek to ask for people's first born kid
<mircea_popescu> can't be arsed to id wirth gribble.
<mircea_popescu> do you think you're god or something ?
<pigeons> this is sort of the root: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=68039.0
<mircea_popescu> ;;tell nefario [guide]
<mircea_popescu> get with the program.
<nefario> I can talk and explain, or I can spend the time ID'ing with gribble
<mircea_popescu> spend the time.
<nefario> reading thread, give me a min
<pigeons> i think smickles was suprised that his account was frozen because he didn't see that in the TOS which he read first and he is trying to run a stand-up venture
<smickles> that and
<pigeons> its sort of a lot of money to list and to think it might be gone can make one worry
<nefario> 1331317997
<smickles> some of the info you asked for doesn't exist
<nefario> ok smickles
<nefario> I assume that it's your glbse account n asset right?
<smickles> bty, Howdy nefario
<nefario> hey
<smickles> yes
<nefario> ok so, firstly allow me to explain why I locked
<smickles> nefario: i am idented w/ gribble, and my gpg identity is the same on glbse and here
<nefario> so
<nefario> the thread that caused me to lock the asset and account
<nefario> https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=67697
<nefario> An asset dealing with MPOE that was not created by MPOE
<draco49> wtf... smickles isn't even mentioned in that thread
<nefario> yes
<nefario> I contacted MPOE-PR about this
<nefario> said this asset had nothing to do with them
<nefario> alarm bells started ringing as a result
<mircea_popescu> you contacted my pr girl to ask for her facebook,
<mircea_popescu> don't be an asshat.
<mircea_popescu> i know she's cute and all, but seriously now.
<nefario> whoa
<nefario> hold your horses there
<nefario> I have a facebook account for GLBSE
<nefario> to allow facebook to be one method of verifying users ids
<mircea_popescu> she was pretty pissed i'll tell you that much.
<mircea_popescu> i wassn't going to mention it in public, but... myea.
<pigeons> smickles is holding MPOE "stockish things", independently from MPOe, with MPOE's knowledge, as a way to allow them to be traded on glbse
<smickles> " I had emailed the creator a day or two ago about ID verification but have not received a reply." from that thread, you must have used an email other than the one in the asset contract
<nefario> probably
<nefario> http://pastie.org/3558978
<nefario> here is what I've been contacting asset creators with
<nefario> to verify their identity
<mircea_popescu> do we actually know this guy = glbse.nefario or are we mostly being trolled here ?
<draco49> You don't have any right to private personal documents.
<pigeons> mircea_popescu: I vouch for nefario being nefario from glbse
<mircea_popescu> a good.
<mcorlett> mircea_popescu: The number I sent to the email listed on the GLBSE page was posted: <nefario> 1331317997
<pigeons> i understand the emotions but i don't think the intent is there, so i thought this could get straightened out
<mircea_popescu> so to get back to the point here : nefario, you're asking for things which, given that you live within the eu, put you at considerable risk.
<mircea_popescu> do you understand this ?
<draco49> I will also need you're home phone number, your mobile number, your home address.
<draco49> Some information about your professional life (where you currently work etc.)
<nefario> I'm familiar with dataprotection legislation
<mircea_popescu> if you ever divulge such info, intentionally or not, you will be liable, the fines are stiff, there can be prison, you need to register as a processor etc ?
<nefario> yeah
<mircea_popescu> if you say so.
<mircea_popescu> from what my lawyer saw (casually glancing over your site) you'd be in breach.
<draco49> Why would you need personal information about his life and where he works?
<nefario> draco49: have you used GLBSE before?
<helo> all part of the master plan, mircea_popescu
<nefario> are you aware of its history?
<nefario> it was a free for all, almost no rules or regulations
<draco49> Yes I know the history... I know it was a scam pit before you took over.
<smickles> i put my home address in the signed asset contract
<pigeons> nefario started it, he did not take over
<nefario> pigeons: yes
<nefario> I've been running it since the begining
<draco49> But what you're asking for goes way above and beyond reasonable. nefario
<nefario> not really
<nefario> also it's not mandatory
<draco49> It
<nefario> we're moving towards GLBSE2.0
<draco49> It's only mandatory for smickles ?
<nefario> no
<pigeons> nefario: there are many people here who trust that we can get a hold of smickles should a need arise
<nefario> did you not look at the link?
<nefario> at the time I learned of this asset
<nefario> I looked fraudulent
<draco49> Yes I read it... it's completely unreasonable.
<nefario> to prevent a scam I froze the asset
<nefario> and account
<nefario> look, all Im trying to do is protect users
<nefario> prevent them from being ripped off
<draco49> Are the the sole arbiter of the fate of the assets on GLBSE?
<pigeons> does smickles now meet your requirements?
<Cusipzzz> prevent people from being ripped off on glbse? a bit too late, lol
<nefario> we'll he's got a reputation right?
<draco49> I can understand and respect that, but the way you are trying to go about it is ass-backwards.
<smickles> um, am i missing somethng, nefario you posted a link to a forum thread and said that it was what prompted you to suspect me of fraud, I see nothing there which would indicate that
<pigeons> ;;getrating smickles
<gribble> User smickles, created on Wed Jan  4 18:2012. Cumulative rating 38, from 28 total ratings. Received ratings: 28 positive, 0 negative. Sent ratings: 32 positive, 0 negative. Details: http://bitcoin-otc.com/viewratingdetail.php?nick=smickles  Currently authenticated from hostmask smickles!~smickles@96.44.148.140
<pigeons> and mircea_popescu, what are your thoughts about smickles glbse asset?
<mircea_popescu> well, specifically pigeons ?
<mircea_popescu> i don't see a problem with the guy's plan as he described it,
<mircea_popescu> anyone is entitled to own the stock and use it as they see fit, making an eft/dr whatever included.
<smickles> nefario: i'd also like to know why you think the asset contract I wrote looked fradulent
<nefario> give me a minute
<mircea_popescu> i personally wouldn't use glbse, but if other people want to take that risk it's entirely their soup.
<draco49> lol after all this, I'll keep my BTC and use it elsewhere
<smickles> :(
<smickles> draco49: you know what this means
<nefario> mircea_popescu: I'd like an appology
<nefario> from you
<pigeons> it looks to me like nefario had a genuine misunderstand about the asset with good intentions and smickles genuinely and rightly feels a little slighted or offended by that
<nefario> insinuating that I'm hitting on your assistant
<smickles> if i submit to nefario's request and get the account unfrozen, I still lose b/c the asset is now worth significantly less
<mircea_popescu> you can like any apology whatsoever. were you or were you not all chummy with that skepsidyne guy ?
<nefario> smickles: no need
<nefario> I didn't know you were part of a reputation network
<mircea_popescu> d'oh.
<nefario> I just came across an asset I didn't know and in the context seemed suspicious
<mircea_popescu> so you just decided to axe it ?
<mircea_popescu> that sounds a mite irresponsible.
<nefario> bear in mind that I'm pressed for time
<mircea_popescu> dude
<nefario> freeze it
<mircea_popescu> did you charge this guy $100 for your time ?
<nefario> nothings lost
<draco49> Given that you run a Bitcoin trading platform, you might wanna take the time to pop in to the bitcoin trading channel from time to time to keep up with things...
<mircea_popescu> how much time dfoes 100 dollars buy ?
<smickles> nefario: the assets bylaws link provided a link to the thread on bitcointalk where I announced -gpg signed- that I am smickes on -otc
<nefario> mircea_popescu: whats your problem
<pigeons> nefario wasn't aware of this discussion so he was a little blindided when i asked him to come in here
<smickles> nefario: you seem to have not looked into my asset very well
<pigeons> *blindsided
<nefario> smickles: I hadn't
<mircea_popescu> he seems to be blindsided with dazzling frequency.
<smickles> and yet you claimed it looked fradulent?
<nefario> mircea_popescu: whats your problem, since I've arrived you've been nothing but badmouthing me
<mircea_popescu> nefario : you stepped on toes. make it right. that is all.
<smickles> :(
<draco49> nefario, your knee-jerk reaction to what you personally suspected was a fraud risk has damaged smickles and mircea_popescu
<nefario> I contacted mircea_popescu PR person about this asset
<nefario> said it had nothing to do with them
<smickles> nefario: so, they do have nothing to do with it
<smickles> other than it's the underlying asset which the fund intends to buy
<nefario> smickles: whats your public ID?
<smickles> on glbse?
<smickles> sec
<nefario> for GBLSE
<nefario> ja
<nefario> smickles: do you have an OTC rating?
<draco49> lol
<mcorlett> ;;getrating smickles
<gribble> User smickles, created on Wed Jan  4 18:2012. Cumulative rating 38, from 28 total ratings. Received ratings: 28 positive, 0 negative. Sent ratings: 32 positive, 0 negative. Details: http://bitcoin-otc.com/viewratingdetail.php?nick=smickles  Currently authenticated from hostmask smickles!~smickles@96.44.148.140
<smickles> ident
<smickles> ;;ident
<gribble> You are identified as user smickles, with GPG key id EA62D7CEB2450C3F, and key fingerprint 96ACCA7C3B09EC61B0A6D7F9EA62D7CEB2450C3F.
<nefario> right, I'll also need to incorporate OTC ratings into GLBSE
<smickles> nefario: i think i pm'd you what you asked fro
<smickles> *for
<mircea_popescu> <nefario> right, I'll also need to incorporate OTC ratings into GLBSE << a good ideea.
<smickles> it's kinda sad tho, you've devalued the asset
<mcorlett> nefario: Rating database is available at http://bitcoin-otc.com/otc/. I have some experience in working with the data; let me know if you need any help. nanotube is also very helpful.
<mircea_popescu> nanotube is indeed helpful. there's also jsons available
<nefario> thanks mcorlett
occulta was voiced (+v) by gribble
<smickles> oh, btw
<smickles> ;;view 7096
<gribble> #7096 Tue Mar  6 21:2012 smickles SELL 1.0 Depositary Receipt @ 0.1 BTC (I can do any amount (positive integer). This DR represents the underlying asset MPOE.ETF on GLBSE. I will act as a holding agent for anyone who doesn't want to use GLBSE to purchase shares of the fund. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=67535.0)
• smickles thought it's a good time to advertise that
<mircea_popescu> that said, the general goal of making it difficult for scam assets being listed is worthy. the implementation could be improved.
<smickles> lol
<draco49> Yes, ending world hunger is a noble goal as well, but the best solution is not to kill everyone
<smickles> that DR could now be more valuable than the listing on GLBSE
<kakobrekla> also by taging someone safe or better, failing to tag someone as high risk, kind of moves a part of the responsibility on GLBSE
<nefario> smickles: account activated
<mcorlett> Group hug!
<nefario> all should be working now
<mircea_popescu> and for the record : i've had the girl send me the actual pm's exchanged
<smickles> nefario: thank you for your understanding
<nefario> no problem