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- [12:29:42] +Luck O the Irish: i like kay's changes tho
- [12:29:45] #Eternally: same
- [12:29:56] +Aggron: i agree with that as well
- [12:30:02] +Aggron: im not feeling the lix tbh
- [12:30:07] +Luck O the Irish: it's gonna be rough fighting normal spam but eh
- [12:30:17] #Eternally: ~workshop remove SF Steelix
- [12:30:17] @BB-8-NU: SF Steelix removed
- [12:30:26] #Eternally: ~workshop add Sash Pinsir
- [12:30:26] @BB-8-NU: Sash Pinsir added
- [12:30:34] +Luck O the Irish: we do have a rotom check right
- [12:30:43] %kay: not really n
- [12:30:56] #Eternally: archeops is pretty annoying too
- [12:30:59] %kay: it'll need more adjustments
- [12:31:02] @lucianvega: Im really sorry
- [12:31:05] %kay: but I like this direction
- [12:31:10] #Eternally: np, welcome back lucianavegan
- [12:31:11] @lucianvega: My internet is terrible past hour
- [12:31:15] %kay: wb
- [12:31:24] @lucianvega: I couldn't help at all because its constantly dying
- [12:31:26] +Luck O the Irish: camerupt over pinsir would help quite a bit
- [12:31:29] #Eternally: ~add (pig)
- [12:31:29] @BB-8-NU: add is not a valid command
- [12:31:30] @lucianvega: Tnx guys
- [12:31:35] #Eternally: ~workshop add (pig)
- [12:31:35] @BB-8-NU: (pig) added
- [12:31:35] %kay: (pig)
- [12:31:44] #Eternally: ~workshop add kabutops
- [12:31:44] @BB-8-NU: kabutops added
- [12:31:46] #Eternally: ~workshop team
- [12:31:46] @BB-8-NU: Guts Swellow / Poliwrath / Offensive Garbodor / Sash Pinsir / (pig) / kabutops
- [12:31:47] pilobacon: >(pig)
- [12:31:51] #Eternally: this is what we have so afr
- [12:31:51] @lucianvega: Can someone show pokemon we havr rn?
- [12:31:51] @lucianvega: Oh
- [12:31:52] #Eternally: *far
- [12:31:52] +Luck O the Irish: pig has signal beam to help with malamar still
- [12:32:11] @lucianvega: Eternally whats this sash pinsir...
- [12:32:22] #Eternally: rocks
- [12:32:26] +Aggron: im assuming mold rocks
- [12:32:28] +Aggron: eq
- [12:32:29] @lucianvega: Ik but
- [12:32:32] +Aggron: x scissor
- [12:32:33] %kay: threats: archeops, rotom, haunter
- [12:32:37] pilobacon: mold rocks are great
- [12:32:37] %kay: anything else I'm missing
- [12:32:37] @lucianvega: You need to check a Lot
- [12:32:39] @lucianvega: For last slot
- [12:32:40] %kay: that gives us issues
- [12:32:43] @lucianvega: So id say scrap pinsir
- [12:32:48] @lucianvega: Right away
- [12:32:54] pilobacon: kanga is pretty scary
- [12:33:01] #Eternally: Piloswine > pinsir?
- [12:33:02] +Aggron: rotom is a major problem
- [12:33:11] %kay: piloswine is cute
- [12:33:13] #Eternally: checks archeops + ice resist
- [12:33:15] +Luck O the Irish: either camel or pilo > pinsir
- [12:33:18] @lucianvega: Ill try to reconnect on my Pc
- [12:33:31] @lucianvega: I also noticed lack of electrix immunity
- [12:33:40] +Aggron: lanturn
- [12:33:45] +Luck O the Irish: camel is a lot better against rotom but pilo takes on all the other problems better
- [12:33:52] +Aggron: lanturn gives us a slow volt for swellow
- [12:34:04] +Luck O the Irish: what do we put lanturn over
- [12:34:18] +Aggron: also handles the fire weakness
- [12:34:24] +Luck O the Irish: like if we put lanturn over anything
- [12:34:34] @lucianvega: Definitely not over Wrath
- [12:34:42] +Luck O the Irish: we have to change a bunch of other things
- [12:34:47] @lucianvega: Wrath is a great partner overall for swellow
- [12:34:51] +Aggron: i say we take it a step back
- [12:34:54] +Aggron: keep tops
- [12:34:59] @lucianvega: Nah
- [12:35:00] +Aggron: but drp pinsir and pig
- [12:35:20] #Eternally: ~workshop remove Sash pinsir
- [12:35:20] @lucianvega: Kabutops fit only with yama/mag cores on offense imo
- [12:35:20] @BB-8-NU: Sash pinsir is not in the team
- [12:35:31] #Eternally: ~workshop remove Sash Pinsir
- [12:35:31] @BB-8-NU: Sash Pinsir removed
- [12:35:34] @lucianvega: Sash pinsir is like
- [12:35:45] @lucianvega: Rly not that good at any archetype
- [12:35:50] #Eternally: ~workshop remove (pig)
- [12:35:50] @BB-8-NU: (pig) removed
- [12:35:52] #Eternally: ~workshop team
- [12:35:52] @BB-8-NU: Guts Swellow / Poliwrath / Offensive Garbodor / kabutops
- [12:35:55] +Luck O the Irish: not true but
- [12:36:06] +Luck O the Irish: its not great on this team i agree with that
- [12:36:09] pilobacon: I still think claydol provides a lot to this team even if it struggles to deal with cm psychics
- [12:36:10] +Aggron: now
- [12:36:17] @lucianvega: nah pilobacon
- [12:36:26] +Aggron: we absolutely need to focus on a rotom answer
- [12:36:33] @lucianvega: only niche claydol has over other spinners is checking Don and we already have answer to that for offense
- [12:36:33] +Aggron: especially since the team is for swellow
- [12:36:34] pilobacon: perhaps skunk?
- [12:36:44] +Aggron: im thinking a pursuer as well yes
- [12:36:44] @lucianvega: n
- [12:36:51] +Luck O the Irish: camel anyone?
- [12:36:52] +Aggron: since swellow can lure rotom and uturn to it
- [12:36:59] +Aggron: camel works too
- [12:37:00] +Luck O the Irish: camel is like
- [12:37:02] +Aggron: since he has rocks
- [12:37:06] +Luck O the Irish: the hardest rotom counter in the tier
- [12:37:22] +Luck O the Irish: also gives us rocks and an alright fire switchin
- [12:37:23] #Eternally: camel gives us a solid fire check too
- [12:37:29] +Aggron: true
- [12:37:46] +Aggron: yeah camel covers rocks electric and fire
- [12:37:46] #Eternally: I'd prob get rid of kabu if we use camel tho, since it stacks a lot of weaknesses with camel + wrath
- [12:37:48] @lucianvega: finally back on PC
- [12:37:58] @lucianvega: can you show pokemon we got atm?
- [12:38:02] @lucianvega: whats the command
- [12:38:09] #Eternally: ~workshop add SR Camerupt
- [12:38:09] @BB-8-NU: SR Camerupt added
- [12:38:12] #Eternally: ~workshop team
- [12:38:12] @BB-8-NU: Guts Swellow / Poliwrath / Offensive Garbodor / kabutops / SR Camerupt
- [12:38:21] @lucianvega: phone is pretty bad for building lol
- [12:38:23] +Aggron: now scarf mesprit handles every other problem we have
- [12:38:33] @lucianvega: no
- [12:38:37] @lucianvega: we definitely need psychic check
- [12:38:41] @lucianvega: we need to get rid of kabutops
- [12:38:43] +Aggron: mesprit
- [12:38:45] #Eternally: yeah
- [12:38:48] +Aggron: is the psych check
- [12:38:49] +Luck O the Irish: we're still pretty khan week
- [12:38:49] @lucianvega: mesprit isnt a psychic check
- [12:38:50] @lucianvega: lol
- [12:38:51] +Aggron: and ground
- [12:38:55] @lucianvega: its a setup fodder for psychics
- [12:38:58] @lucianvega: like musharna
- [12:39:12] +Aggron: oh mush is the exception
- [12:39:17] +Aggron: true
- [12:39:22] #Eternally: Scarf Mesp is kinda meh against psychics tbh
- [12:39:26] #Eternally: we need a sturdier check
- [12:39:42] pilobacon: I'd be all for skunk
- [12:39:42] #Eternally: or else mush/the rare cm mesprit just win
- [12:40:00] +Aggron: skuntank sounds much more needed now
- [12:40:13] +Aggron: gives us two rotom answers
- [12:40:18] +Aggron: and handles theses psychics
- [12:40:26] +Aggron: we really should opt for a pursuit user though
- [12:40:34] +Aggron: these*
- [12:40:37] @lucianvega: hazard control for swelow is pretty important
- [12:40:42] +Aggron: no defog
- [12:40:44] @lucianvega: its forced a lot
- [12:40:49] @lucianvega: not defog for sure, but spinner
- [12:40:53] pilobacon: only issue I see with skunk is that we'll have 4 ground weaknesses and only one immunity who struggles with edgequake
- [12:40:55] @lucianvega: defog+spikes is prety bad
- [12:40:56] %kay: ~workshop team
- [12:40:56] @BB-8-NU: Guts Swellow / Poliwrath / Offensive Garbodor / kabutops / SR Camerupt
- [12:41:02] %kay: hm
- [12:41:08] @lucianvega: !ds rapid spin,nu,all
- Claydol, Hitmonchan, Kabutops, Sandslash, Smeargle
- [12:41:11] @lucianvega: !ds rapid spin,pu,all
- Armaldo, Avalugg, Cryogonal, Delibird, Spinda, Torkoal
- [12:41:11] #Eternally: ~workshop remove kabutops
- [12:41:11] @BB-8-NU: kabutops removed
- [12:41:12] @lucianvega: hm
- [12:41:17] +Aggron: drop tops for claydol
- [12:41:21] %kay: we still need a normal resist
- [12:41:26] +Aggron: right
- [12:41:30] +Aggron: damn
- [12:41:31] @lucianvega: i need to analyse the weaknesses
- [12:41:33] #Eternally: ~workshop add chilan berry delibird
- [12:41:33] @BB-8-NU: chilan berry delibird added
- [12:41:36] @lucianvega: ,,,
- [12:41:38] %kay: perfect
- [12:41:38] +Aggron: lol
- [12:41:41] %kay: lets test
- [12:41:44] #Eternally: ~workshop remove chilan berry delibird
- [12:41:44] @BB-8-NU: chilan berry delibird removed
- [12:41:45] #Eternally: lol
- [12:41:46] @lucianvega: id even say
- [12:41:53] @lucianvega: mesprit for rocker over rupt
- [12:42:02] +Aggron: no
- [12:42:03] @lucianvega: ground check,fighting check u turn user
- [12:42:03] #Eternally: we're really weak to rotom tho
- [12:42:04] %kay: dude I legit ran chilan berry sceptile back when it was here
- [12:42:05] @lucianvega: yes
- [12:42:06] %kay: to lure swellow
- [12:42:06] @lucianvega: i know
- [12:42:06] +Luck O the Irish: then we're back to rotom problem
- [12:42:08] +Aggron: we need the rotom answer
- [12:42:10] @lucianvega: but its pretty easy to fix that
- [12:42:13] @lucianvega: at the end
- [12:42:15] pilobacon: chillan berry inner focus
- [12:42:21] #Eternally: Chilan Berry makes everything better kay, y/y
- [12:42:23] pilobacon: with weird fighting type coverage
- [12:42:25] +Aggron: if we add tank and drop rupt that works
- [12:42:37] +Aggron: but we need rupt until then
- [12:42:40] #Eternally: yeah
- [12:42:53] @lucianvega: lol just
- [12:43:08] %kay: are there any spinners/ defoggers that beat rotom
- [12:43:13] @lucianvega: torkoal only
- [12:43:14] +Aggron: tank
- [12:43:16] @lucianvega: i was building earlier
- [12:43:18] #Eternally: torkoal
- [12:43:20] @lucianvega: and torkoal is only one
- [12:43:20] #Eternally: ,,,,
- [12:43:22] %kay: mehh
- [12:43:24] @lucianvega: skuntank with defog does but
- [12:43:27] +Aggron: but were not defogging unless we drop spikes
- [12:43:28] @lucianvega: defog spikes is pretty bad
- [12:43:32] @lucianvega: ye
- [12:43:41] pilobacon: skunk beats rotom but I don't think defog synergizes well with spikes
- [12:43:54] #Eternally: Cryogonal does ok against rotom too
- [12:43:58] @lucianvega: it does
- [12:44:00] +Aggron: not really
- [12:44:04] @lucianvega: it does ok-ish
- [12:44:05] +Aggron: hell just volt switch
- [12:44:07] #Eternally: ok ish
- [12:44:10] @lucianvega: lol
- [12:44:13] @lucianvega: its not a check to rotom but
- [12:44:15] +Aggron: or cripple us with tricj
- [12:44:16] @lucianvega: ;/
- [12:44:19] +Aggron: trick
- [12:44:46] %kay: ~workshop team
- [12:44:46] @BB-8-NU: Guts Swellow / Poliwrath / Offensive Garbodor / SR Camerupt
- [12:44:47] #Eternally: unless we go gastro > wrath and hitmonchan as a spinner
- [12:44:47] +Aggron: we really should add bulky tank
- [12:44:47] %kay: okay
- [12:44:50] %kay: here's my idea
- [12:44:58] %kay: drop garb for offensive colbur spin claydol
- [12:45:00] @lucianvega: that looks like old workshop team then Eternally
- [12:45:00] %kay: ad di na fire type
- [12:45:15] %kay: we'll have a fighting and psychic resist
- [12:45:20] %kay: and enough wiggle room to beat rotom
- [12:45:26] %kay: between the ground + fire type
- [12:45:31] +Aggron: eh
- [12:45:32] @lucianvega: i have a pretty similar archetype team
- [12:45:35] +Aggron: thats shaky
- [12:45:37] @lucianvega: with evire swellow wrath
- [12:45:41] @lucianvega: rhydon mesprit defog skuntank
- [12:45:50] +Aggron: i want to opt for pursuit
- [12:45:51] #Eternally: we dont really need garb
- [12:45:59] @lucianvega: garbodor is cool mon but
- [12:46:02] +Aggron: because psychics are a problem
- [12:46:04] +Aggron: as is rotom
- [12:46:08] %kay: the only thing we need garb for is a fighting resist
- [12:46:15] #Eternally: and since its offensive
- [12:46:16] %kay: but it leaves up open to stuff we can't beat rn with it on
- [12:46:18] #Eternally: it isnt a great one
- [12:46:20] +Aggron: im cool for dropping garb
- [12:46:21] #Eternally: yeah
- [12:46:26] +Aggron: and making tank defog pursuit
- [12:46:27] #Eternally: ~workshop remove Offensive Garbodor
- [12:46:27] @BB-8-NU: Offensive Garbodor removed
- [12:46:39] %kay: so we need:
- [12:46:40] @lucianvega: lol rip
- [12:46:41] @lucianvega: lets
- [12:46:44] #Eternally: ~workshop team
- [12:46:44] @BB-8-NU: Guts Swellow / Poliwrath / SR Camerupt
- [12:46:51] @lucianvega: remove camerupt too
- [12:46:55] @lucianvega: xd
- [12:46:57] %kay: fighting resist, normal resist, psychic resist, removal
- [12:47:19] #Eternally: remove camel too?
- [12:47:22] +Aggron: not yet
- [12:47:33] %kay: maybe later down the line but it's not needed to drop yet
- [12:47:38] #Eternally: mmk
- [12:47:55] %kay: I still like claydol here
- [12:47:56] %kay: oo
- [12:47:56] +Aggron: tank covers psychic and removal
- [12:48:00] +Aggron: while trapping rotom
- [12:48:02] %kay: oh and we need a grass resist
- [12:48:09] +Aggron: and grass resist lol
- [12:48:10] %kay: yeah skunk works
- [12:48:14] +Aggron: like tank is too perfect
- [12:48:17] @lucianvega: skuntank garbodor swellow?
- [12:48:18] %kay: the problem is like
- [12:48:21] %kay: defog physical skunk
- [12:48:21] @lucianvega: ooops
- [12:48:23] %kay: (puke)
- [12:48:24] @lucianvega: i mean ,i typod
- [12:48:33] #Eternally: Yeah...
- [12:48:35] @lucianvega: yea defog is pretty bad especially with swellow as core ol
- [12:48:40] @lucianvega: they attract rock types to much
- [12:48:43] @lucianvega: and poliwrath is pressured a lot
- [12:48:50] +Aggron: then add another
- [12:48:54] +Aggron: we still have 3 slots
- [12:49:00] @lucianvega: just like
- [12:49:01] #Eternally: Gastro > Wrath imo and then we can run Chan
- [12:49:04] %kay: we have a rupt
- [12:49:08] %kay: we don't need pursuit for rotom
- [12:49:09] +Aggron: but rotom is too important we need that removal
- [12:49:10] @lucianvega: gastro fits for balance more
- [12:49:12] %kay: we can go special defog
- [12:49:14] #Eternally: true
- [12:49:22] @lucianvega: special defog skuntank is great set
- [12:49:36] @lucianvega: my fav defoger, psychic check,knock off switchin,grass check
- [12:49:41] +Aggron: but what about psychics
- [12:49:50] @lucianvega: pairs well with swellow Wrath
- [12:49:53] +Aggron: cm mush beats tha
- [12:49:55] #Eternally: Acid Spray
- [12:49:59] %kay: that or taunt
- [12:49:59] +Aggron: and jynx beats that
- [12:50:05] @lucianvega: ye,acid spray is great on skuntnk
- [12:50:10] @lucianvega: pretty underrated
- [12:50:16] #Eternally: yeah lucianvega
- [12:50:17] %kay: jynx is its own issue
- [12:50:23] @lucianvega: yea jynx looks pretty annoying
- [12:50:24] %kay: but special skunk fits everything else
- [12:50:28] #Eternally: jynx is just broken and we should ban it
- [12:50:31] @lucianvega: lol
- [12:50:44] +Aggron: eh that an issue for later lol
- [12:50:46] @erisia: jan bynx
- [12:50:49] #Eternally: ok so special skunk then
- [12:50:52] #Eternally: jan byn
- [12:50:54] %kay: you guys fine to add special acid spray skunk?
- [12:50:55] #Eternally: *bynx
- [12:50:56] +Aggron: but while its here i definitely think pursuit is needed
- [12:51:05] @lucianvega: i definitely vote for acid spray skuntank
- [12:51:36] @lucianvega: breaks audino,forces switches,deals easily with cm mush/xatu
- [12:51:49] @lucianvega: weakens steelixes with fblast
- [12:52:12] pilobacon: acid spray skunk sounds like a fun concept
- [12:52:14] pilobacon: I'm for it
- [12:52:23] @lucianvega: i need to post the set on forums
- [12:52:25] #Eternally: ok lets go with acid spray skunk for now
- [12:52:32] #Eternally: and we can always change it later
- [12:52:40] #Eternally: ~workshop add Special Skunk
- [12:52:40] @BB-8-NU: Special Skunk added
- [12:52:44] @lucianvega: is anyone in teambuilder?
- [12:52:49] #Eternally: y i am
- [12:52:49] +Aggron: yes
- [12:52:51] @lucianvega: ok
- [12:53:01] %kay: ~workshop team
- [12:53:01] @BB-8-NU: Guts Swellow / Poliwrath / SR Camerupt / Special Skunk
- [12:53:02] +Aggron: we have a ground problem now
- [12:53:08] @lucianvega: also
- [12:53:13] @lucianvega: with those 3 id say remove camerupt
- [12:53:17] +Aggron: true
- [12:53:20] #Eternally: we could prob remove camel
- [12:53:28] %kay: we need something for rotom then
- [12:53:30] +Aggron: but then get right back to rotom
- [12:53:31] @lucianvega: ye
- [12:53:32] @lucianvega: i mean
- [12:53:42] %kay: [12:46] %kay: fighting resist, normal resist, psychic resist, removal, ground resist
- [12:53:43] @lucianvega: skuntank is ghost check but still we definitely need a voltblock
- [12:53:51] +Aggron: lanturn
- [12:54:01] %kay: lanturn doesn't help with everything else
- [12:54:03] +Aggron: also provides a slow volt switch for swllow
- [12:54:11] +Aggron: ah true
- [12:54:12] +Aggron: hmm
- [12:54:21] %kay: fighting resist is needed, normal resist is needed, ground resist is really handy
- [12:54:26] @lucianvega: mesprit
- [12:54:30] @lucianvega: but then again
- [12:54:31] #Eternally: Kasib Golurk
- [12:54:32] %kay: if anything we need to look at the normal and fighting resist the most
- [12:54:48] +Aggron: i say keep rupt for now
- [12:54:54] %kay: yeah rupt is fine
- [12:54:54] @lucianvega: eh
- [12:54:59] @lucianvega: idk how to feel about rupt
- [12:55:18] +Aggron: if were not running pursuit it absolutely shuts down rotom
- [12:55:18] @lucianvega: actually i think it can be pretty cool as secondary fire check
- [12:55:25] +Aggron: and handles fire yeah
- [12:55:36] @lucianvega: ive never used it before tho,thats why im kinda sceptical
- [12:55:41] #Eternally: fair enough
- [12:55:43] %kay: first time for everything
- [12:55:43] %kay: !
- [12:55:46] #Eternally: !
- [12:55:46] @lucianvega: yea lol
- [12:55:58] @lucianvega: now we definitely need a ground check
- [12:56:04] %kay: okay so now we need to buckle down on the fighting and normal reist and be careful of grounds
- [12:56:16] pilobacon: well, we could go for gourgeist, it can take normal and fighting hits, even from scrappy users like kang
- [12:56:18] @lucianvega: also ice check would be fine
- [12:56:20] +Aggron: mismagius sound sinteresting
- [12:56:23] +Aggron: but kanga
- [12:56:23] %kay: I'm in favor of running mes as a fighting resist that doesn't add a ground weakness
- [12:56:25] @lucianvega: na gourgeist doesnt fit at all tbh
- [12:56:35] @lucianvega: on this archetype
- [12:56:43] @lucianvega: its just a momentum sack
- [12:56:48] @lucianvega: same kay
- [12:56:59] @lucianvega: also malamar check
- [12:57:09] %kay: ~team workshop
- [12:57:15] +Aggron: mesprit covers ground and fighting
- [12:57:15] #Eternally: ~team workshop
- [12:57:16] @lucianvega: or a
- [12:57:20] %kay: ~workshop team
- [12:57:20] @BB-8-NU: Guts Swellow / Poliwrath / SR Camerupt / Special Skunk
- [12:57:27] %kay: yeah I guess mala does give issues
- [12:57:30] %kay: yeah mes fits nicely
- [12:57:34] %kay: what do you guys think
- [12:57:38] @lucianvega: well
- [12:57:43] #Eternally: ~workshop add Mesprit
- [12:57:43] @BB-8-NU: Mesprit added
- [12:57:45] @lucianvega: ill check once more
- [12:57:49] @lucianvega: if theres anything worth over mesprit
- [12:57:51] pilobacon: I like the sound of mes but we'll still be weak to mala
- [12:57:54] @lucianvega: nah
- [12:57:59] +Aggron: sig
- [12:57:59] +Aggron: beam
- [12:58:01] @lucianvega: offensive pressure is enough
- [12:58:03] %kay: colbur mes is one of the best answers to it
- [12:58:03] %kay: :)
- [12:58:04] @lucianvega: to deal with it
- [12:58:05] #Eternally: between u-turn swelllow and signal beam mesp
- [12:58:06] @lucianvega: yep
- [12:58:19] %kay: cool now we jsut need to look at this normal resist issue
- [12:58:24] +Aggron: yup
- [12:58:33] %kay: anyone have any ideas? I don't think we want a steel/ rock type
- [12:58:37] %kay: because of the ground weakness
- [12:58:42] +Aggron: klinklang is a thought
- [12:58:47] %kay: ground weakness
- [12:59:08] +Aggron: rhydon obviously comes to mind
- [12:59:10] %kay: we either need to run something bulky enough to not care
- [12:59:16] #Eternally: Pilo
- [12:59:18] %kay: or something like ferro who has the typing
- [12:59:18] @lucianvega: rip internet
- [12:59:26] %kay: eh we have rupt already
- [12:59:31] %kay: and I don't wanna use no SR rupt/ pilo
- [12:59:33] @lucianvega: not only that but also a scyther check
- [12:59:41] %kay: and pilo is the teams dedicated normal resist
- [12:59:43] %kay: is sketchy
- [12:59:47] #Eternally: mm
- [12:59:51] @lucianvega: lol
- [13:00:10] #Eternally: ~workshop team
- [13:00:10] @BB-8-NU: Guts Swellow / Poliwrath / SR Camerupt / Special Skunk / Mesprit
- [13:00:12] +Aggron: steelix is another
- [13:00:22] %kay: honestly what if we went rest talk 2 atks Sp.D rupt
- [13:00:26] %kay: and added in like
- [13:00:36] @lucianvega: for mesprit id opt for
- [13:00:39] %kay: miltank or something with rocks + normal resist
- [13:00:39] pilobacon: ferro is a possible normal resist
- [13:00:44] @lucianvega: u turn psyshock signal beam healing wish
- [13:00:44] pilobacon: it can set up rocks as well
- [13:00:48] %kay: ferro doesn't fit this team
- [13:00:54] %kay: but it's an option I guess
- [13:00:58] +Aggron: ferro slows us down
- [13:01:04] +Aggron: and were running defog
- [13:01:14] %kay: we woudln't use spikes ferro
- [13:01:21] +Aggron: lucianvegas set sounds perfect
- [13:01:24] %kay: we'd swap rupt to 2 atks rest talk Sp.D
- [13:01:27] %kay: and then run rocks ferro
- [13:01:32] %kay: if we were to run ti
- [13:02:01] +Aggron: i still think ferro doesnt fit
- [13:02:13] %kay: it doesn't but we don't have a ton of options here
- [13:02:16] +Aggron: its an off team
- [13:02:29] @lucianvega: klinklang offers a ice check,flying resist
- [13:02:34] +Aggron: double dance rhydon in the last slot
- [13:02:36] @lucianvega: jynx check XD
- [13:02:43] #Eternally: Klinklang is a rly bad normal resist though
- [13:02:44] %kay: !learn jynx, focus blast
- In Gen 6, Jynx can learn Focus Blast from:
- anywhere (all moves are level-up/tutor/TM/HM in gen 6)
- [13:02:45] +Aggron: or some normal check that cann boost like klinklang
- [13:02:52] %kay: yeah klink is sketchy
- [13:02:54] #Eternally: Curse Miltank
- [13:02:57] #Eternally: I guess lol
- [13:03:03] #Eternally: or just miltank in general
- [13:03:07] +Aggron: shell smash carracosta
- [13:03:10] %kay: yeah I suggested miltank
- [13:03:19] %kay: eh I guess carra is an option to
- [13:03:19] @lucianvega: well
- [13:03:22] %kay: bulk + solid rock
- [13:03:25] %kay: idk about SS tho
- [13:03:32] @lucianvega: miltank isnt really a good normal check if its spdef
- [13:03:42] #Eternally: we'd run physdef sap sipper
- [13:03:45] @lucianvega: ,
- [13:04:01] @lucianvega: shuca RP aggron
- [13:04:13] +Aggron: nah
- [13:04:16] %kay: aggron is the teams dedicated normal resist?
- [13:04:18] #Eternally: shuca aggron is a one time normal check
- [13:04:21] @lucianvega: yes
- [13:04:22] @lucianvega: xd
- [13:04:23] #Eternally: and its still shaky at that
- [13:04:41] +Aggron: rhydon is the guy imo
- [13:04:49] +Aggron: and since camel has rocks
- [13:04:50] %kay: okay so the way I see it
- [13:04:53] +Aggron: he can double dance
- [13:04:53] %kay: we have 3 options:
- [13:05:10] %kay: rhydon, carra, miltank. We can also swap rupt to rest talk 2 atks and run rocks on any of the sets
- [13:05:21] @lucianvega: im going for costa
- [13:05:29] +Aggron: costa sounds good
- [13:05:30] @lucianvega: since water weakness with rupt is very annoying
- [13:05:40] @lucianvega: or like
- [13:05:45] @lucianvega: is there any pure rock type?
- [13:05:48] +Aggron: regi
- [13:05:53] @lucianvega: lol
- [13:05:59] @lucianvega: that just reminded me of
- [13:06:05] %kay: ~workshop team
- [13:06:05] @BB-8-NU: Guts Swellow / Poliwrath / SR Camerupt / Special Skunk / Mesprit
- [13:06:07] @lucianvega: every person running WP RP regirock
- [13:06:11] +Aggron: lol
- [13:06:13] @lucianvega: on lower ladder
- [13:06:25] %kay: we should be shucca on skunk
- [13:06:27] %kay: btw
- [13:06:30] @lucianvega: its ok
- [13:06:31] #Eternally: ye
- [13:06:33] +Aggron: i agree
- [13:06:42] +Aggron: shuca or lum
- [13:06:43] %kay: I think we can live with a ground weak normal resist tbh
- [13:06:47] %kay: 2 thing immune to ground
- [13:06:49] %kay: shucca on skunk
- [13:06:51] #Eternally: yeah
- [13:06:55] pilobacon: pure rocks in the tier gigalith, regi, rampardos and sudowoodo, ofc we wouldn't use rampardos as the normal resist
- [13:06:56] @lucianvega: i find black sludge a lot better since we have mesprit for ground imunity and poliwrath for DD don check
- [13:07:06] @lucianvega: and it gives it longevity vs fat archetypes
- [13:07:10] @lucianvega: as we dont have bulky boosters
- [13:07:13] @lucianvega: yet
- [13:07:22] %kay: I think it depends on our normal resist
- [13:07:25] @lucianvega: yes
- [13:07:29] %kay: if we pick a ground weak normal resist
- [13:07:31] %kay: we need shucca
- [13:07:32] +Aggron: costa is sounding appealing
- [13:07:37] %kay: if we pick something like miltank or ferro
- [13:07:40] %kay: black sludge works
- [13:07:41] @lucianvega: is there pure rock type from PU?
- [13:07:47] +Aggron: but it removes momenum if were not going SS
- [13:07:54] +Aggron: sudowoodo lol
- [13:07:54] %kay: !ds rock type, NU|PU
- Golem, Rhydon, Omastar, Kabutops, Sudowoodo, Magcargo, Corsola, Aggron, Lunatone, Solrock, and 13 more. Redo the search with 'all' as a search parameter to show all results.
- [13:08:00] #Eternally: Gigalith, but theres no reason to use it over Regirock
- [13:08:06] @lucianvega: lol true
- [13:08:10] @lucianvega: gigalith is pretty bad here
- [13:08:11] %kay: !data solrock
- PU Solrock RockPsychic LevitateHP
- 70 Atk
- 95 Def
- 85 SpA
- 55 SpD
- 65 Spe
- 70 BST
- 440
- [13:08:14] %kay: call me you're god.
- [13:08:17] @lucianvega: scyther weakness tho
- [13:08:18] #Eternally: solrock is actually kinda cool
- [13:08:26] %kay: ground immune normal resist
- [13:08:28] +Aggron: solrock is ass
- [13:08:29] @lucianvega: iron tail tauros too
- [13:08:30] #Eternally: but yeah scyther is annoying
- [13:08:36] %kay: xd
- [13:08:41] #Eternally: !dt babiri berry
- Babiri Berry Halves damage taken from a supereffective Steel-type attack. Single use.
- Gen: 4 | Fling Base Power: 10 | Fling Effect: Activates the Berry's effect on the target. | Natural Gift Type: Steel | Natural Gift Base Power: 80
- [13:08:43] @lucianvega: ,,
- [13:08:46] %kay: LOL
- [13:09:03] +Aggron: oo
- [13:09:04] %kay: hm but no really, I think if we put a shucca on skunk we'll be fine for any good dedicated normal resist
- [13:09:07] +Aggron: cradily fellas
- [13:09:11] +Aggron: we overlooked that
- [13:09:15] %kay: !data cradily
- NU Cradily RockGrass Suction CupsStorm DrainHP
- 86 Atk
- 81 Def
- 97 SpA
- 81 SpD
- 107 Spe
- 43 BST
- 495
- [13:09:16] @lucianvega: or like
- [13:09:17] %kay: hm
- [13:09:19] @lucianvega: shuca barbaracle
- [13:09:29] @lucianvega: na that gets too weakened
- [13:09:30] %kay: barb sucks as a teams only normal resit
- [13:09:31] +Aggron: cradily can take an iron tail
- [13:09:33] @lucianvega: yep
- [13:09:38] %kay: cradily looks cute
- [13:09:41] +Aggron: has recover
- [13:09:43] %kay: we can call it dentri
- [13:09:47] +Aggron: drops rocks off of camel
- [13:09:50] @lucianvega: lets go with costa
- [13:09:50] #Eternally: rip dentri
- [13:09:59] %kay: oh dang brb
- [13:10:00] +Aggron: but yeah costa is still the other option
- [13:10:00] @lucianvega: cradily would just ruin offensive momentum
- [13:10:03] #Eternally: kk
- [13:10:07] %kay: uhh finish the team w/o me
- [13:10:08] @lucianvega: between mesprit swellow
- [13:10:08] +Aggron: matter of fact
- [13:10:10] %kay: just keep in mind:
- [13:10:18] %kay: non ground weak rocker = sludge on skunk
- [13:10:23] %kay: anything else = shucca
- [13:10:23] %kay: bye
- [13:10:24] %kay: !
- [13:10:24] +Aggron: ive noticed that gastro literally walls our entire team
- [13:10:26] #Eternally: cya
- [13:10:41] +Aggron: so put toxic on costa
- [13:10:45] +Aggron: as a gastro lure
- [13:10:49] +Aggron: or SS
- [13:10:52] +Aggron: hp grass
- [13:10:56] @lucianvega: we are forced
- [13:10:59] @lucianvega: to go costa/DD don
- [13:11:02] @lucianvega: theres no other
- [13:11:12] +Aggron: im thinking costa for toxic
- [13:11:18] +Aggron: because gastro is an issue
- [13:11:20] @lucianvega: smash costa
- [13:11:29] @lucianvega: hmm youre right gastro is so annoying lol
- [13:11:32] @lucianvega: so far
- [13:11:35] +Aggron: smash costa with hp grass works too
- [13:11:38] @lucianvega: we can always go for
- [13:11:41] @lucianvega: hp grass on Wrath
- [13:11:44] @lucianvega: since it 2 koes gastro
- [13:11:46] #Eternally: or grass knot mesprit
- [13:11:47] +Aggron: ah yes
- [13:11:53] @lucianvega: indeed user: Eternally
- [13:11:59] @lucianvega: over HW tho
- [13:12:00] +Aggron: so scald fblast wave and grass
- [13:12:06] @lucianvega: yes
- [13:12:12] +Aggron: cool that works
- [13:12:26] pilobacon: knot mesprit can ohko lix and aggron iirc
- [13:12:35] @lucianvega: and seeing that DD don gives us x4 weakness
- [13:12:39] #Eternally: 2HKO's Lix after rocks
- [13:12:45] #Eternally: if its modest max sptak
- [13:12:46] @lucianvega: i mean double x4 weaknes
- [13:12:51] @lucianvega: or lets just
- [13:12:54] @lucianvega: swap mesprit for
- [13:12:57] @lucianvega: rocks
- [13:12:59] @lucianvega: add magmortar
- [13:13:01] @lucianvega: and DD rhydon for last
- [13:13:04] @lucianvega: all problems solved
- [13:13:08] #Eternally: get rid of camerupt for mortar?
- [13:13:11] @lucianvega: yes
- [13:13:11] +Aggron: no
- [13:13:12] @lucianvega: rocks mesprit
- [13:13:15] +Aggron: major ground issue
- [13:13:18] @lucianvega: uh
- [13:13:19] @lucianvega: how
- [13:13:23] @lucianvega: poliwrath and mesprit are enough
- [13:13:31] +Aggron: you said drop mes?
- [13:13:33] @lucianvega: camerupt is weak to ground too
- [13:13:34] @lucianvega: nono
- [13:13:37] @lucianvega: i didnt say drop mes lol
- [13:13:46] @lucianvega: i kinda also fixed the ice weakness too
- [13:13:51] @lucianvega: and magmortar checks rotom great as well
- [13:14:07] +Aggron: oh i misread swap mes
- [13:14:12] @lucianvega: or!!
- [13:14:15] @lucianvega: watch this
- Aggron was promoted to Room Moderator by Eternally.
- [13:14:39] #Eternally: grats
- [13:14:45] @Aggron: thanks
- [13:14:48] @lucianvega: we can also run timid magmortar as in last workshop cuz
- [13:15:03] #Eternally: [03:14] @lucianvega: we can also run timid magmortar
- [13:15:04] #Eternally: ,
- [13:15:05] @lucianvega: it gives surprize kills and we have another fire check
- [13:15:05] pilobacon: I'd say rocks 3 attacks mes with knot to deal with gastro lix and aggron
- [13:15:10] @lucianvega: also
- [13:15:14] pilobacon: + signal to ko mala
- [13:15:16] @lucianvega: magmortar lures gastro with hp grass
- [13:15:17] @Aggron: we need beam though
- [13:15:24] @Aggron: and healing wish adds a lot
- [13:15:35] @lucianvega: rocks u turn psyshock signal beam
- [13:15:36] @Aggron: i agree with the grass mortar though
- [13:15:44] @lucianvega: and then DD rhydon for last
- [13:15:44] @Aggron: we also need him for vivi
- [13:15:47] @lucianvega: yes
- [13:15:52] @lucianvega: vivillon is rly annoying
- [13:16:01] #Eternally: true lucianvega
- [13:16:04] @Aggron: i agree with those changes to an extent
- [13:16:30] #Eternally: ~workshop
- [13:16:30] @BB-8-NU: Unrecognized command: nothing
- [13:16:30] @Aggron: im very visual though so could we make those changes and go from there
- [13:16:47] #Eternally: ~workshop team
- [13:16:47] @BB-8-NU: Guts Swellow / Poliwrath / SR Camerupt / Special Skunk / Mesprit
- [13:16:54] #Eternally: ~remove SR Camerupt
- [13:17:00] #Eternally: ~workshop remove SR Camerupt
- [13:17:00] @BB-8-NU: SR Camerupt removed
- [13:17:11] #Eternally: ~workshop add Magmortar
- [13:17:11] @BB-8-NU: Magmortar added
- [13:17:11] pilobacon: I think running mag is a really good idea
- [13:17:12] @lucianvega: so core of poliwrath magmortar suntank will pressure rockers a lot
- [13:17:20] #Eternally: ~workshop add DD Rhydon
- [13:17:20] @BB-8-NU: DD Rhydon added
- [13:17:21] @Aggron: true
- [13:17:40] @Aggron: and whats the set on mes now
- [13:17:44] @Aggron: sr grass
- [13:17:44] @lucianvega: i tested timid magmortar and it doesnt mis on any 2 koes vs a bit frailer things
- [13:17:49] @lucianvega: rocks psyshock u turn signal bean
- [13:17:53] @Aggron: ah
- [13:17:59] @Aggron: and hp grass mortar got it
- [13:18:04] @lucianvega: oh wait
- [13:18:18] #Eternally: Archeops 6-0s us btw
- [13:18:24] @lucianvega: yes brb second
- [13:18:27] @Aggron: lol
- [13:18:33] @lucianvega: it doesnt 6 0es ???
- [13:18:38] @lucianvega: we have Don and fat mesprit lol
- [13:18:40] @Aggron: rhydon handles right
- [13:18:44] @lucianvega: yea
- [13:18:45] #Eternally: earthpower is a 2hko
- [13:18:49] @lucianvega: no
- [13:18:49] @Aggron: and vacuum wave on poli
- [13:18:52] @lucianvega: it does like 40
- [13:18:54] @lucianvega: max
- [13:18:56] #Eternally: ????
- [13:18:59] #Eternally: DD Don
- [13:19:01] @lucianvega: yes
- [13:19:03] @lucianvega: its still fat af
- [13:19:05] @Aggron: someone calc
- [13:19:06] @lucianvega: and have massive hp
- [13:19:12] @lucianvega: and considering archeops isnt invested in spat
- [13:19:13] @lucianvega: it wont do much
- [13:19:15] pilobacon: I can calc
- [13:19:16] #Eternally: 4 SpA Archeops Earth Power vs. 0 HP / 4 SpD Eviolite Rhydon: 178-210 (50.7 - 59.8%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
- Pokémon Showdown! damage calculator. (Courtesy of Honko)
- - Damage Calculator
- [13:19:20] #Eternally: 2hko
- [13:19:21] pilobacon: nvm
- [13:19:24] @lucianvega: nvm
- [13:19:25] @lucianvega: wtf
- [13:19:29] @Aggron: shit
- [13:19:32] @lucianvega: we will need to play around it
- [13:19:37] @Aggron: yup
- [13:19:45] @Aggron: poli can put it into defeatist after rocks
- [13:19:50] @Aggron: pwait a second
- [13:19:54] @lucianvega: oh also
- [13:19:55] @Aggron: we have shuca tank
- [13:19:56] #Eternally: and swellow can revenge it with some prior damage
- [13:20:00] @lucianvega: ye
- [13:20:01] #Eternally: and shuca skuntank
- [13:20:02] #Eternally: yeah ok
- [13:20:04] @lucianvega: lets just go with shuca
- [13:20:05] @Aggron: tank should be able to kill
- [13:20:05] @lucianvega: on skuntank
- [13:20:06] @lucianvega: XD
- [13:20:07] #Eternally: should be ok
- [13:20:10] #Eternally: xD
- [13:20:12] @lucianvega: ,,
- [13:20:17] @Aggron: alright im making the team
- [13:20:19] @lucianvega: imo lets make 2 versions of team
- [13:20:19] #Eternally: magmortar ev spread?
- [13:20:21] @Aggron: post evs
- [13:20:25] @Aggron: and ill bin it
- [13:20:25] @lucianvega: il make it quickly
- [13:20:28] @lucianvega: as im in builder already
- [13:20:38] #Eternally: standard guts swellow
- [13:20:50] #Eternally: 96 HP / 252 Sptak / 160 Speed Modest wrath
- [13:20:59] @lucianvega: item on poliwrath tho?
- [13:21:00] #Eternally: need the other spraeds
- [13:21:02] #Eternally: *spreads
- [13:21:03] #Eternally: lefties
- [13:21:06] @lucianvega: noo
- [13:21:07] @lucianvega: ?.?
- [13:21:11] @lucianvega: we need power on offense
- [13:21:15] @lucianvega: lets go with LO
- [13:21:19] #Eternally: its our only samurott check
- [13:21:21] @lucianvega: it is
- [13:21:25] @lucianvega: ans still good with LO
- [13:21:35] pilobacon: so just to be sure mag timid, correct?
- [13:21:39] @Aggron: evs on tank?
- [13:21:48] @Aggron: and mes
- [13:21:57] @lucianvega: also
- [13:22:01] @lucianvega: we dont need ice beam on wrath
- [13:22:05] @lucianvega: so either EQ or hp grass
- [13:22:07] @lucianvega: ?
- [13:22:21] @Aggron: hp grass
- [13:22:23] @lucianvega: i think hp grass is cool since it hits gastro,rott,lanturn
- [13:22:32] @lucianvega: without missing focus blast
- [13:22:41] @Aggron: set on mortar?
- [13:22:47] @Aggron: fblast or thrower?
- [13:22:49] @lucianvega: fblast tbolt hp grass EQ
- [13:22:50] pilobacon: yeah, hp grass hits a lot of stuff that likes to come in on poli like gastro and lanturn
- [13:23:01] @Aggron: hasty nature or still timid?
- [13:23:05] @lucianvega: timid
- [13:23:09] @lucianvega: we need better jynx answer
- [13:23:37] @Aggron: evs on tank
- [13:23:40] pilobacon: yeah, hasty takes a hefty chunk from psyshock
- [13:23:48] #Eternally: ok its 3:23 am and im tired af
- [13:23:54] #Eternally: so ill let you guys finish up
- [13:24:02] #Eternally: and you can post it when ur done lucianvega
- [13:24:09] @lucianvega: anyways
- [13:24:12] @lucianvega: im done with pbin
- [13:24:14] @lucianvega: lets compare
- [13:24:14] #Eternally: gl
- [13:24:45] @lucianvega: Aggron let me know when you finish pbin
- [13:24:47] pilobacon: I've had the team finished for some while
- [13:24:53] @Aggron: k
- [13:25:01] pilobacon: since I build it as we dicuss
- [13:25:10] @lucianvega: http://pastebin.com/tNi0gb1t
- [13:25:15] @lucianvega: k this is mine
- [13:25:57] @Aggron: http://hastebin.com/givujoliya.md
- [13:25:59] pilobacon: http://pastebin.com/q3jgGYuZ
- [13:26:14] @lucianvega: lmaooo dude
- [13:26:19] @lucianvega: we literally have movesets in same order
- [13:26:24] @Aggron: lol
- [13:26:28] @lucianvega: check my pbin lool
- [13:26:31] @Aggron: i preger your tank spread
- [13:26:33] @Aggron: prefer
- [13:27:00] @Aggron: oh woops
- [13:27:02] @lucianvega: ye i always use the 248 for rocks
- [13:27:04] @Aggron: my mes is wrong
- [13:27:20] pilobacon: oh lol yeah
- [13:27:21] @lucianvega: are you up for making a second version of team?
- [13:27:26] @lucianvega: since we are doing this a lot recently
- [13:27:26] pilobacon: we all have the mag set in the same order
- [13:27:40] @lucianvega: ye
- [13:27:53] @lucianvega: skuntank spread also outspeeds abomasnow which is pretty annoying
- [13:28:04] pilobacon: wait, when did aggron become mod and how long has he been mod?
- [13:28:09] @lucianvega: lol
- [13:28:15] @Aggron: its just in this room lol
- [13:28:21] pilobacon: ik
- [13:28:36] @lucianvega: ao
- [13:28:38] @lucianvega: so*
- [13:28:40] @lucianvega: up for second version?
- [13:28:41] pilobacon: I was asking when you became mod in this room
- [13:28:57] pilobacon: also contemplating whether I'm just blind
- [13:29:09] @Aggron: got promoted earlier
- [13:29:18] @Aggron: also lets test first
- [13:29:24] @Aggron: but im gonna go eat lunch
- [13:29:35] @Aggron: ill catch you guys in about an hour
- [13:29:37] @lucianvega: we can finish it pretty quickly tho
- [13:29:39] @lucianvega: kk
- [13:29:42] pilobacon: just realized I forgot to give swellow evs
- [13:29:50] @lucianvega: rip
- [13:29:54] pilobacon: okay
- [13:29:57] pilobacon: all better now
- [13:30:36] pilobacon: I had a pretty big breakfast not too long ago and plenty of time on my hands
- [13:30:50] @lucianvega: anyways im gonna get a game
- [13:31:25] Swellowrath: join
- [13:36:02] %kay: ~workshop team
- [13:36:02] @BB-8-NU: Guts Swellow / Poliwrath / Special Skunk / Mesprit / Magmortar / DD Rhydon
- [13:36:25] %kay: erisia do you have the pb?
- [13:36:33] @erisia: n
- [13:36:37] @erisia: I've been elsewhere
- [13:36:43] %kay: mk
- [13:36:55] @erisia: it's further up in the chat i think
- [13:38:22] +Earth: @lucianvega: http://pastebin.com/tNi0gb1t
- [13:38:26] +Earth: kay
- [13:38:33] @lucianvega: anyways
- [13:38:35] %kay: thnx
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