English Any% Theory Timing (in progress...)

Any%: English vs. JP

I will assume text = 23 and lz = -6.6, this is safe for a lower bound on the time save for english:

Text = +23
lz = -6.6
recoil flip to Mikau = D
SoDT PCS = -.85
Phase 1 & 2 of gyorg = -4.16
lullaby skip = B (B is roughly -3)	(We will only account for lullaby skip with gim, meaning chu hovers instead of ledge grab)
ice recoil = -4.33?
Save time to extra bomb in snowhead = -1
light arrow deathwarp = +3

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eng loses about 6s + 2.72s (because no mikau walking cs skip) = 8.72s

however, if eng does sodt mikau walking cs skip, it saves 14.57s
to do this, it needs to sodt to day 2 in swamp which loses 12.5s
however, we have the option for witch in woods which saves X time, X = ???


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23 - 6.6 - .85 - 3 + 3 + A + B -1 + D = 14.55 - 4.16 + B + D (disregard this for now)
14.55 - 4.16 - 1.33 + D = 9.06 + D = time diff not accounting for gim or lullaby skip (eng loses 9.06 + D w/o lullaby)

if B = -3, english loses ~6s w/o gim

*** Conclusion:

english with gim = 9.06 + (-15.04) = -5.98

gim route (optimally) saves roughly 12s

jk we lose a ton of time (maybe ~10s) because no duped bottle to catch st fairy in, so no garo deathwarp

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if gim (and lullaby skip):

No raising woodfall temple early = 21.84 - 3 - 23.23 = -4.39
	wf cs = +21.84
	skipping 2 deku mask transitions = -3
	skipping song of soaring = -23.23 								(ennopp 1:21, he equipped bombs on pause to skip cs; fast)



No SoDT storage after hidden owl = -5.65
swamp gossips = -1.5 (extra chu for fast hover off of root)
mikau walking cs = -11.85

bremen skip = -28.23 												(sausage)
bremen dupe skip = -9.94 											(ennopp 1:21)
deku flower to wf temple = -3.5										(sausage)
deku flower to ff = +1.9 											(includes equipping deku on pause menu, sausage)
deku flower in first room of wf temple = -1.8						(compared against sausage's video, sausage)

save time to more chus in snowhead AND lullaby skip = E
E = -8 (lullaby skip) - .7 (chest hover) = -8.7

gim = ??? <= 60 (55 is prob upper bound as well)

60 - 4.39 - 5.65 - 1.5 - 11.85 - 28.23 - 9.94 - 3.5 + 1.9 - 1.8 + E = -4.96 + E

gim - 64.96 + E = 58.62 - 64.96 - 8.7 = -15.04

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gim

1:04.56 inc oca equip ??? kinda bad

59.35 (no equip) (not perfect, sample)
equip oca = 2.15

no gim = 2.88

gim = 59.35 + 2.15 - 2.88 = 58.62

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ice recoil:

melt ice = 18.2
fast recoil = 13.87

ice recoil = 18.2 - 13.87 = 4.33

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gim only:
lullaby skip w/ chu hover saves 8s for english (sample/sausage, jp does ledge climb with hess strat)

faster snowhead chest hover saves .7s
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Gyorg (Stun -> first hit, multiply by 2):

Eng: 2.14				(sample)
JP: 4.22				(sample)

(2.14-4.22)*2 = -4.16


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Mikau Walking CS Skip ENG/JP Comparison

7.77 + 27.71 - 3.10 = 32.38, zora walking cs is 35.1 (ennopp 1:37), 1.73 to roll to him and pull ocarina

35.1 - 32.38 = 2.72 saved from timestop cs skip on JP (ennopp 1:21)
Eng sodt = 18.7 (Grunz), got 18.75 from jimmie so this should be accurate for rta as well
35 - 1.73 - 18.7 = 14.57

14.57 - 2.72 = 11.85, this means English saves 11.85s to doing SoDT Mikau Walking CS Skip compared to JP timestop method

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SoDT PCS

Pirate cutscene = 1:05.07 = 65.07 (trev 2:47)
turtle hover (enter cs as zora) = 14.96 - 1.1 = 13.86 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TfjtynHx0zg)
~19.1 (sodt is 18.7, I guess .4 to set it up) for SoDT + gain control
normal cutscene w/ pirate cutscene cleared = 11.2 (ennopp 5:13:31)

no sodt pcs = human -> zora -> human -> bk skip
sodt pcs = human -> zora -> human -> zora -> human -> bk skip = 2 extra mask transitions = 3s

SoDT PCS Route = 12.5 + 13.86*2 + 11.2 + 19.1 + 3 + X = 73.52 + X
normal route = 13.86 + 65.07 = 78.93

78.93 - 73.52 = 5.41, need X < 5.41

X = 4.56

5.41 - 4.56 = .85s saved to SoDT PCS, probably not worth it



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JP saves X time to text (on the order of 20-25s?)

English saves Y time to loading zones (on the order or 6-10s?)

English saves Z time to doing ice recoil in snowhead (roughly 3s?)

English saves W time on lullaby skip (???)

English Saves G time on Phase 2 of Gyorg (???)

light arrow fast deathwarp (3s if we use chu, 5s if we use bomb)

sodt pcs should save 20s on the segment, but lose 12.5s to zora hall sodt and lose time to no clock town recoils, need 8 chu hidden owl or some equivalent way of saving a chu. Can save maybe 6-7s overall

Based on some older timings when egg dupe was found, bremen mask before hidden owl is roughly 8.84s slower than bremen mask after hidden owl, meaning English should store SoDT at hidden owl and Day Reset when entering bomb shop? How much time does day reset waste? if less than 15 - 8.84 = 6.16  (because sodt mikau walking cs skip saves 15s).... Does SoDT PCS still save time with turtle hover?


20 lzs up to ocarina, 16 up to sonata, 11 up to turtle hover, 3 up to odolwa (not counting stairs?), 8 up to goht, 7 up to twinmold, 1 up to moon. 20 + 16 + 11 + 3 + 8 + 7 + 1 = 66, good lower bound

66*.1 = 6.6		(Lower Bound)
66*.18 = 11.88	(Upper Bound)
66*.13 = 8.58	(Guess)

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optimize this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hb6bBQaqRHw

new idea for english:

gim should waste under 1 min if optimized.... say gim = 60 for now

sodt mikau walking cs skip saves 15s
sodt in zora hall loses 12.5s
sodt PCS saves 20s

15 + 20 - 12.5 = 22.5 net save from both sodt cs skips

deku route can save 20 - 12.5 = 7.5s from sodt pcs, so 22.5 - 7.5 = 15s saved in gim route to sodt cs skips

60 - 15 = 45 which is about same speed as deku dupe






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Majora's Mask Any% English Route Theory

edit: gim is too slow for now


Comparison:

English saves about 45s skipping bremen/deku dupe (30s to bremen, 10s to not duping bremen, 5s to using deku flowers)

JP saves X time to text (on the order of 20-25s?)

English saves Y time to loading zones (on the order or 6-10s?)

English saves Z time to doing ice recoil in snowhead

English saves W time on lullaby skip

How much time does timestop mikau walking cs skip save on JP (assuming you're already catching bugs for something)
English saves about 15s to SoDT Mikau Walking cs skip, so subtract from this the amount of time that timestop cs skip saves


NWBN:

	JP:
Drop last egg, pull ocarina for nwbn = ???

	English:
Drop last egg, exit lab, gim with deku nut, bugs for gim value, turn human (zora can't clip) void oob + gim ocarina, enter lab, turn zora, pull ocarina for nwbn = ???