[quote=Perish]i really don't see why itg would make this claim as scum since he's essentially CC'ing you and in forum maf making a 1 for 1 trade is really not worth it as scum. which I assume itg understands. only decent explanation, though it's a bit of a stretch, is scum has a n0 rolecop/scout and itg is trying to wreck a PR.[/quote][quote=Perish][quote=Stragger][quote=Transcend]If itg retracts his claim there's a very high chance strag is mafia. [/quote]where are you getting these? i need you to stop playing this like it's ruby mafia because i'm going to get genuinely annoyed . back up your statements with a thought process or something.[/quote]I mean I had an inkling of it too. Thinking about the possibility of a retract suggests you're anticipating it, which a scum who knows that was TvT would do.[/quote][quote=Perish]Actually, you clearly just made something up that's not true at all. I literally said a couple pages ago I don't have reads and now you're pushing me "for having reads." You blatantly made up a reason on the fly.[/quote][quote=Perish]"Forced" is a word reserved for inarticulate dunces like yourself. Nothing about anything I said was forced. I was giving tepid observations and putting forth plausible conclusions from those events as they happen because that's how I play. That's how I've always played.

The only thing "forced" here is you trying to force a reason for a vote, and it's entirely obvious you did so because you can't actually explain in the slightest and it's blatantly false.[/quote][quote=Perish][quote=Sincerely]I'd also like to hear why Perish, specifically, flipped off of Transcend.[/quote]My vote on him was somewhat reactionary. And while I do maintain that my logic for scumreading him was and is sound, he has towntold elsewhere. That in mind, soda is easily an abysmal enough player to make those horrid moves I pointed out as town.[/quote][quote=Perish]What more do you need? You voted someone who has only made posts in the very beginning of the game; a stage in which reading into people's behavior is notoriously futile. What's more, your justification is "liability due to ISP".

That's a classic scum method of pushing a d1 lynch. It's easy, it doesn't require any close reading, you're not likely to get a bad reaction from the person you push purely by nature of them being AFK. It's like, the best possible push for anyone who is purely trying to survive and save their own partners d1 as well. The only flaw is it's prone to getting you called out if you're not subtle about it, like what I'm doing right now.[/quote][quote=Perish]Reasons scum will resort to pushing on the ISP d1:
- No direct backlash.
- Easy, built-in justification.
- Don't have to read a bunch of lines in an effort to force an explanation.
- When they do flip town, the flip generally gives town little nothing to work off in the following days.

Reasons town will resort to pushing on the ISP d1:
- They're hopelessly lost and would rather throw darts than attempt to actually form reads and lynch who they believe is scum.[/quote][quote=Perish]A classic Sincerely post. Decent logic. Heavy observation bringing her to the cusp of overthinking. Overt mindset staging lines.

Sincerely is town again, boys.[/quote][quote=Perish]Transcend has given lots of mixed signals and I think if you're talking about lynching people who don't offer the town much (ie the votes on Stove) Transcend is actually a really good option. It's a liability lynch in a way but unlike a lynch on say, Stove, his flip actually gives us a good deal of information going forward. There's a lot of interactions to read with him.[/quote][quote=Perish]When I'm scum I usually try to pocket a few people really early. This game you didn't have any tells well into d1 so I pressured you and you started towntelling.[quote=Tucker]I'm well aware of the method I've just never seen it deployed successfully because well, chances are the people who put thought into their articulation does so as either alignment an vice versa.

Just read Transcend again and I may've given him too much credit; still not sure about that one. What do you mean by 'mixed signals'?[/quote]I mean I've thought he was scum at times and thought he was town at others. I called him out and started really turning on the heat way starting back on page 23 onward. I really felt like I had caught him out in a bad move and when I pushed him more he reacted bad. But then after taking a few steps back I saw some towny posts from him and, like I explained at the time, I ended up giving him a pass since he's bad enough to make the move he made which I called him out originally for as town.

Even so his reads make little to no sense, he's being largely anti-town/uncooperative, and as d1 lynches go I think he's a good one.[/quote][quote=Perish][quote=Sincerely]FWIW, I don't actually scumread Perish anymore based on some shallow logic -- which I'm giving a pass because it's only D1. I just want to know why Claire is obvious scum, seeing as I currently have her "'"'"'marked'"'"'" as town.[/quote]Last game she participated heavily d1 and was getting incredibly frustrated at people not taking the game as serious as she would of liked.

This game she's acted like one of the people she was complaining about last game. And then she has the audacity to claim she's played the same game she has in the past.[/quote][quote=Perish][quote=ClaireRedfield]So your saying if your town read self voting saying there not pr you would just vote them? Alright
Edit: That same logic can be said about soda and you also[/quote][quote=ClaireRedfield]If you are going to come up with a fake scum read on me please  make it good [/quote]Your posts (see: the posts I just quoted) are bad. Your attitude is bad. You claim to be tunneling SirSlick and then try to flip onto the first person to call them out heavily. There's no genuine thought process with your reads. You're either desperate, panicky town or you're scum. You react to someone who appeared to make a read based on one post [i]by making a bad read based on one post[/i].[/quote][quote=Perish]with 2.5 hours to go, is voting to avoid being lynched so egregious??????? :o[/quote][quote=Perish][quote=antikrist][quote=Gerry][quote=antikrist][b]Unvotes[/b]

[b]Votes: Perish[/b][/quote]x plain[/quote]Mafia usually pulls the "but why don't you fos me anymore~"[/quote]I never said that, I'm confused why you voted the person you have repeatedly campaigned against being lynched and more notable voted on the BW your #1 scumread started[/quote][quote=Perish]i just thought the Claire vote made zero sense from anti's perspective. they have every reason not to lynch Claire and yet they just caved with little to no resistance. i get the whole "i just want to lynch SOMEONE" thought process but not even half a page ago they were still resisting. it read fake as hell and i thought they should have to defend themselves for it. i wasn't letting it pass by unnoticed. perhaps had they actually outted some goddamn logic when they made their vote i wouldn't have to assume the worst in order to get some explanations out of you people!![/quote]