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@SolarAquarion
hi NeoReactionary
NeoReactionary
hi
@SolarAquarion
DarkEnlightenment and Co?
NeoReactionary
yes
@SolarAquarion
NeoReactionary, what inspired you in search of the praise of the monarchy of old?
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NeoReactionary
I'd say it is out of a rejection of cultural marxism and realizing that it stems from the enlightenment
z411
lol cultural marxism
@SolarAquarion
z411, aka words that I don't understand but sounds edgy
NeoReactionary, what do you think about the Congo Free State?
z411
it has the marxism word in it so marxism = commies = stalin = BAD
@SolarAquarion
z411, Cultural Marxist = Thinking about society = SJW
or something
z411
truly the definition of buzzwords
NeoReactionary
cultural marxism = SJW = destroying western civilization
@SolarAquarion
LOL
z411
killing whiiiiiites
@SolarAquarion
z411, arguing on the internet about how blacks are not animals and we should be friends with them is literally killing whites
z411
despicable
NeoReactionary
well arguing on the internet about how blacks are not animals and we should be friends with them is a lost cause really
@SolarAquarion
NeoReactionary, have you ever heard of Gramsci, Habermas, Adorno, or Horkheimer
NeoReactionary
yes
@SolarAquarion
NeoReactionary, so trying to think about the faults of culture is wrong?
NeoReactionary
not really
even NRX criticizes today's culture
@SolarAquarion
NeoReactionary, being critical about the nature of politics is literally killing the white race?
and society?
NeoReactionary
pushing marxists thought through culture is killing western civilization
@SolarAquarion
NeoReactionary, what do you think about the Congo Free State?
NeoReactionary
not very relevant since it lasted for a few years 100 years ago
@SolarAquarion
NeoReactionary, did Leopold do something wrong?
did his highness do something wrong?
NeoReactionary
not too familiar with it sorry
@SolarAquarion
NeoReactionary, this http://www.donotlink.com/framed?603987
NeoReactionary
seems like the problem is black nationalists and a multi racial society
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LocutusOfBorges
oh fuck why
Neoreactionaries make me want to drive a spike through my skull.
NeoReactionary
why?
i mean i feel the same way for the Marxist SJWs
LocutusOfBorges
My reasons should be obvious
ergh
Roll on the revolution. First against the wall, and all that.
NeoReactionary
i think a race war is more likely than a communist revolution
LocutusOfBorges
You'll see the error of your ways when you finally find a woman willing to touch you without paying her first.
NeoReactionary
lolwut?
LocutusOfBorges
I've never encountered a Dark Enlightenment wingnut not crippled by virginity-related anxiety.
It's a peculiar, and quite telling trend.
NeoReactionary
thats not even saying anything
z411
it is
NeoReactionary
just shit posting about things you don't like
z411
it's saying it's related to insecurity
which is true
but let's not delve into personal stuff i guess
LocutusOfBorges
Ech
Neoreactionary ideology just disgusts me on enough levels to strip away any inclination toward politeness, I suppose
It's just so viscerally repulsive.
z411
reactionaries aren't different from SJWs
LocutusOfBorges
Nazis without the balls to come out and say it.
Bullshit.
@SolarAquarion
z411, reactionaries are worse than SJW's
LocutusOfBorges
The SJW label, whatever you might want to think of it, doesn't imply Hitleresque levels of racism, antediluvian views on gender, and straight-up anti-democracy.
z411
but they have a fixation on the same kind of irrelevant shit
i'm talking about armchair activists specifically
they're the opposite side of the same coin
NeoReactionary
but racism, antediluvian views on gender, and straight-up anti-democracy. are a lot better than SJW
LocutusOfBorges
fml
@SolarAquarion
KEK
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LocutusOfBorges
"I don't think women should be treated like objects" === LITERALLY AUSCHWITZ FOR BLACKS WOULD BE A GOOD IDEA.
z411
see, the same fixation for identity politics
LocutusOfBorges
or, rather
z411
doesn't help
LocutusOfBorges
>
"SJW" is a ridiculous label.
z411
well it used to be a synonym with armchair activist
LocutusOfBorges
It's grown from a satirical way of describing armchair activism to
well
literally anything that involves progressive thought at all.
z411
not even progressive
LocutusOfBorges
Point
Non-bastard.
That's closer.
NeoReactionary
NeoReaction is against everything "
"progressive"
LocutusOfBorges
"Oh, you think rape is a bad thing? SJW! probably jewish, too."
NeoReactionary
strawman where
z411
oh so you think jews shouldn't be gassed
fucking SJW
@SolarAquarion
z411, anyone that thinks women should have rights and complete control of their lifes are SJW's
NeoReactionary
everywhere*
strawmen
@SolarAquarion
NeoReactionary, but you exist thanks to strawmen
LocutusOfBorges
*Neoreaction is a bunch of socially awkward academic minnows jerking themselves raw at the spectre of people treating them like shit for being racists.
z411
muh strawmun
LocutusOfBorges
Did I say awkward?
I meant "utterly inept in every way".
NeoReactionary
>come to leftypol to talk about politics
all they do is strawman and whine
why
z411
"strawman", "SJWs", "cultural marxism"
LocutusOfBorges
If a Nazi wandered into #israel, how do you think folks'd react?
z411
truly the kings of buzzwords
LocutusOfBorges
Mate, go fuck yourself.
NeoReactionary
why can't the left have a normal conversation without them committing come logical fallacy or shitposting off an opposing opinion?
LocutusOfBorges
Or, better yet- go into a library and read some books. Not blogs.
@SolarAquarion
NeoReactionary, because you aren't normal
z411
you aren't rational either
no matter how much you try to look like it
LocutusOfBorges
Printing, powdering and snorting the latest Nick Land screed isn't a substitute for actually knowing what the fuck you're talking about.
NeoReactionary
i could literally just say the same about marxists
@SolarAquarion
NeoReactionary, but at least Marxists read books
LocutusOfBorges
Say what you will about Marxism- at the very least, it's an extremely valuable, insightful analytical tool.
NeoReactionary
same for the Neo Reaction
@SolarAquarion
LocutusOfBorges, unlike NeoReactionary which are average redditor bait
LocutusOfBorges
The sort of sub-Buckleyite drivel that passes for Neoreactionary analysis is anything but
It offers absolutely no original, useful insights.
Its adherents overlap so fucking heavily with the butt of Conspiracy Theory jokes with good reason
@SolarAquarion
LocutusOfBorges, it's a creation of internet and right lolbertarianism who want power
NeoReactionary
actually it does
it points out the flaws in leftists double think
exposes cultural marism
@SolarAquarion
NeoReactionary, lol. Bunch of Twenty year olds think they can expose "flaws in leftist double think"
NeoReactionary
etc
i mean i am the only providing anything more than insults and fallacies here
@SolarAquarion
How about get a masters in philosophy before you try it
from a good university
NeoReactionary
muh credentialism
z411
NeoReactionary, please tell us about the leftist double think
@SolarAquarion
NeoReactionary, but credentials showed that you hit the book and not just posting on the internet
z411
let me remind you that the left is very broad
and it's not composed of evil commies like you seem to believe
@SolarAquarion
LocutusOfBorges, ayy lmao
LocutusOfBorges
Neoreaction is a shallow set of warped interpretations strung together by ersatz wannabe Philosopher-Kings tailor-made to appeal to people with profoundly shallow understandings of the topics concerned, but who are predisposed to feel attracted to something that suggests that they've "cracked" some grand conspiracy to destroy everything that's right and good in the world.
z411
you might find contradictions in different philosophies inside the left because there are too many
LocutusOfBorges
It's the same kind of snake oil fundamentalism that leads people to join up with crackpot evangelical cults.
NeoReactionary
I don't see Stalin as an Evil Commie
the evil commies are more like the white liberals at OWS
LocutusOfBorges
It completely falls apart under any serious academic scrutiny. The response from the dorks is, inevitably, to stick their fingers in their ears and mumble some twisted bollocks about the jewish reptili- sorry, the "Cathedral" acting to keep them down.
NeoReactionary
so more insults in place of any real arguments?
@SolarAquarion
LocutusOfBorges, inb4 >muh credentials
LocutusOfBorges
I can't stand Occupy, but I'd take an eternity of bearded, sub-Tumblr hippie communism over the repugnant eugenics your cult espouses.
z411
NeoReactionary, both stalinists and liberals are a very small bunch in the left, and you could say liberals aren't very leftist in the first place
LocutusOfBorges
NeoReactionary, Reality has a well-known Liberal bias.
@SolarAquarion
NeoReactionary, there can't be a serious argument with a NeoReactionary who's knowledge is based on bullshit Silicon valley entrepreneurs who want power
NeoReactionary
so do you have any statics on who makes up how much of the left? I'd imagine stalinists aren't very population but liberals, SJWs, are a pretty big part of the left
z411
they're the loudest
nazis are the loudest but i don't believe they are a big part of the right
@SolarAquarion
NeoReactionary, there's no horse shoe of politics
LocutusOfBorges
What are you even classing as "Liberals"? Even the American understanding of the term is practically meaningless.
z411
it depends on where you live
@SolarAquarion
LocutusOfBorges, i have a cute kitten next to me
z411
in my country liberals are considered right-wing
LocutusOfBorges
SolarAquarion, I have a delightful F/SN:UBW playthrough sitting neglected because of this. It's heartbreaking.
In the UK, Liberals are wishy-washy centrists veering slightly to the left. It's an unfair categorisation, but it's where British Social Liberalism more or less ends up as an ideology/movement.
z411
in chile liberals are center-right
and in most of south america
LocutusOfBorges
Doesn't surprise me.
It's the same in most of Europe, too.
NeoReactionary
in america liberals are far left
and this is a .com site
not .co.uk
@SolarAquarion
LocutusOfBorges, kittens make me happy
LocutusOfBorges
British Liberalism's taken a peculiar path - it's turned into a broad church that leans left, but actually acts as though it's centre-right half the time.
@SolarAquarion
>in America liberals are far left
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NeoReactionary
yeah they are
@SolarAquarion
They're centrists
LocutusOfBorges
SolarAquarion, Rabbits are where it's at. I've got our pet rabbit snoring under my bed. Adorable.
holy fuck
*American* Liberals are "far left"?
In Britain, we'd call Obama a raving Libertarian nutter.
z411
the political spectrum is relative, american politics are so right-wing that liberals, considered centrist to center-right everywhere, are considered radical leftists in america
LocutusOfBorges
Bernie Sanders is a tepid centre-lefter for us.
@SolarAquarion
NeoReactionary, you must live in America?
NeoReactionary
well its more right wing than europe
z411
but that's just public image
NeoReactionary
no singapore
z411
and it leads to confusion
@SolarAquarion
well, it makes more sense
LocutusOfBorges, a guy that lives in the most regulated society likes NeoReactionary
LocutusOfBorges
A Singaporean neoreactionary? What an oddity.
idk- North Korea's quite the perfect neoreactionary society, from a certain perspective.
Absolute adherence to traditions, strong social bonds, women in their place, racial homogenity, quasi-feudal levels of "organic" institutional growth/corruption
@SolarAquarion
LocutusOfBorges, a guy that 7
LocutusOfBorges
Sets my ovaries aflame at the thought. Oh, what a perfect life it must be over there.
NeoReactionary
Juche is pretty progressive
LocutusOfBorges
eh
@SolarAquarion
lol
LocutusOfBorges
in that it literally doesn't exist in any substantial form, and only serves as a propaganda facade over a modern dictatorship.
yep
See
This is the problem with internet neoreactionaries
Being so forged in the fires of imageboard and blog-level debate, they revert to type at the faintest provocation- trolls.
eck, roll on the SJW-led firing squads.
I'm going to get more vodka.
NeoReactionary
^ thats nothing more than whining about an opposing opinion
anyways
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Juche#.22Socialism_of_Our_Style.22
@SolarAquarion
>Juche
>Socialism
kek
LocutusOfBorges
Juche doesn't exist in any substantive sense.
@SolarAquarion
it's stalinesque God worship
LocutusOfBorges
Except the Glorious Leader's literally a god.
Borne to heaven on the wings of a thousand storks, or whatever.
NeoReactionary
"Despite being accused of not being communist or Marxist, North Korea is still formally committed to developing socialism, believing the transition from the capitalist mode of production to the socialist mode of production being inevitable"
@SolarAquarion
lol
NeoReactionary
thats reality
@SolarAquarion
that's bait for the socialists of the world
or the Communists
no the communists
LocutusOfBorges
Just for the useful idiots, really.
NeoReactionary
thats not an argument, you're just rejecting NK because you don't like it. So they don't count for some reason
LocutusOfBorges
headdesk
NeoReactionary
yet they are actively working towards socialism
LocutusOfBorges
I'm out. The guy's not got a fucking clue what he's talking about.
@SolarAquarion
LocutusOfBorges, wait
LocutusOfBorges
How much do you even know about North Korea?
Have you ever even picked up a book on North Korea in your life?
NeoReactionary
^ then replies with insults and more lack of arguments
yes
LocutusOfBorges
Do you know how that society is structured?
You evidently didn't fucking read it.
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