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  1. [16:43:58] <whs> can I ask are all countries with dictators exempted from the Congress approval rule...are are we a special case
  2. [16:44:02] <~Don_Croata> ireland = 13,41
  3. [16:44:06] <+T0413> forgot you Machi :D
  4. [16:44:10] <+T0413> next week
  5. [16:44:15] <+T0413> will be 24 billion
  6. [16:44:24] <+Machiavelli> haha :D
  7. [16:44:28] <~Don_Croata> whs: not all the countries has used congress to vote, just those who have one
  8. [16:44:39] <~Don_Croata> referendum 66% is enough
  9. [16:44:52] <whs> so yes
  10. [16:45:05] <+T0413> Chile had no referendum xD
  11. [16:45:06] <~Don_Croata> I don't think more than 2 had a congress vote
  12. [16:45:12] <+T0413> so we'd not be special
  13. [16:45:24] <~Don_Croata> T0413: it had some kind of survey votes xD
  14. [16:45:37] <Ronisu> Was Adriatica's charter not written after Dictatorship mechanics?
  15. [16:45:44] <whs> can I ask what way is the refrendum going to be run to avoid trust issues?
  16. [16:46:06] <@Sluagh> it will be run by a trusted official
  17. [16:46:11] <whs> who
  18. [16:46:14] <@Sluagh> through voting by PM
  19. [16:46:21] <@Sluagh> we have not selected an individual yet
  20. [16:46:35] <+Machiavelli> is there any opposition against adriatica? nobody said something but you talking about trust on the referandum
  21. [16:46:37] <EliteC> I think a Referendum Committtee would be better
  22. [16:46:44] <+Machiavelli> if there is no opposition its 100% anyways
  23. [16:46:54] <whs> I agree with Elite
  24. [16:46:58] <~Don_Croata> Ronisu: I wrote the charter
  25. [16:47:01] <~Don_Croata> few weeks ago
  26. [16:47:09] <Ronisu> I agree with EliteC, I was under the impression this was happening
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  28. [16:47:20] <Chewie> Kravenn o/
  29. [16:47:54] <whs> If you pick one person then that person will need to be above reproach by everyone
  30. [16:48:00] <~Don_Croata> I'll let Sluagh to organise a referendum, so whatever you guys find as a best solution
  31. [16:48:16] <~Don_Croata> I'd let people vote through comments ingame
  32. [16:48:19] <~Don_Croata> best way imo
  33. [16:48:21] <Ronisu> It would be a move of bad faith to ignore a line of the charter for an Alliance we are joining just to be expeditious, Don_Croata, even if other people have. Surely the merits of this proposal can pass the seated Congress in less than 2 days
  34. [16:48:26] <@Sluagh> i'd agree with Don_Croata
  35. [16:48:32] <whs> or use a vote on eRep forum
  36. [16:48:38] <~Don_Croata> or that yeah
  37. [16:48:46] <~Don_Croata> Ronisu it's either congress or referendum
  38. [16:48:48] <~Don_Croata> not the both
  39. [16:48:51] <+Machiavelli> is there any opposition guys?
  40. [16:48:55] <@Sluagh> Ronisu: if we don't have a congress to vote, we don't have one
  41. [16:49:03] <+Machiavelli> if there is not you talking for nothing
  42. [16:49:07] <whs> we will tomorrow
  43. [16:49:15] <Ronisu> ^
  44. [16:49:28] <Adraestia> ^
  45. [16:49:39] <~Don_Croata> lads, this is irrelevant since we'll have a referendum xD
  46. [16:50:12] <~Don_Croata> direct democracy
  47. [16:50:16] <@Sluagh> Well this government is operating without congress
  48. [16:50:31] <whs> ...and there is the "special case" :P
  49. [16:50:42] <whs> anyway just be careful who you pick
  50. [16:51:02] <whs> to run referendum
  51. [16:51:08] <Ronisu> Don_Croata It does not say that in the Charter, it says both
  52. [16:51:14] <~Don_Croata> its the most democrative process of all :)
  53. [16:51:15] <@Sluagh> all votes will be public
  54. [16:51:20] <~Don_Croata> I think it's the easiest way simply to vote in article by commenting it
  55. [16:51:22] <Ronisu> (4) The trial member should hold a referendum on joining as a member state. It should get the approval of at least 66% of the votes in order to join. (5) The trial member should also recieve support of their congress with the approval of 66% of the voting congressmens.
  56. [16:51:30] <Ronisu> Note the word Also
  57. [16:51:46] <@Sluagh> we do not operate a congress Ronisu
  58. [16:52:16] <Ronisu> We will tomorrow, are we trying to be democratic or expeditious. Will our membership be confirmed in less than 24 hours?
  59. [16:52:22] <~Don_Croata> well so far countries has been doing one of those
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  61. [16:52:31] <~Don_Croata> so we are allowed to keep it that way
  62. [16:52:36] <shyvana> hi here
  63. [16:52:46] <Chewie> Hello =)
  64. [16:52:54] <whs> Ron their HQ is fudging this and the 80% rule
  65. [16:52:57] <whs> (7) To become a full member a country should meet the following conditions:
  66. [16:52:57] <whs> Have approximatly 80% of their soldiers damage in one single MU or National movement/organisation which is called ‘National MU’
  67. [16:53:02] Machiavelli [[email protected]] has quit IRC: Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client
  68. [16:53:03] <~Don_Croata> Ronisu: what's more democratic than a referendum?
  69. [16:53:03] <~Don_Croata> I really don't think there's something else
  70. [16:53:09] <~Don_Croata> why to make things complicated when there's no need for it
  71. [16:53:23] <~Don_Croata> adriatica won't ask us to do a congress vote
  72. [16:53:27] <~Don_Croata> just referendum :)
  73. [16:53:32] <whs> as I said in my article if HQ accepts fudges noe all the better
  74. [16:53:37] <whs> now*
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  76. [16:53:46] <whs> on 80% btw
  77. [16:54:06] <@Sluagh> whs look at this weeks stats
  78. [16:54:16] <whs> they are incomplete
  79. [16:54:17] <Ronisu> We should follow the Charter to the letter for basic admission, I get we can get in without 80% as a trial member, we cannot without a Congress vote
  80. [16:54:20] <whs> last weeks
  81. [16:54:27] <~Don_Croata> well we meet more than 90% I think
  82. [16:54:28] <whs> next week we may be fine
  83. [16:54:30] <@Sluagh> yes and we are not gone into adriatica yet
  84. [16:54:33] <@Sluagh> are we
  85. [16:54:39] <@Sluagh> we are having our referendum
  86. [16:54:44] <whs> not on last weeks full stats
  87. [16:54:46] <~Don_Croata> Ronisu I don't understand?
  88. [16:54:49] <whs> but hey
  89. [16:54:57] <~Don_Croata> We are going to be accepted with only referendum vote
  90. [16:55:01] <~Don_Croata> just like all the other countries
  91. [16:55:09] <@Sluagh> you mean last weeks where you hired mercs to stop this?
  92. [16:55:09] <~Don_Croata> they won't require congress
  93. [16:55:37] <whs> Ronisu don't you understand...they are bending the rules for us
  94. [16:55:37] <@Sluagh> mercs aside for the one week, we make it
  95. [16:55:43] <~Don_Croata> come on guys ,dont point fingers and let's make this easiest way..
  96. [16:55:53] <~Don_Croata> whs: not really, the rules are one of those 2
  97. [16:55:57] <@Shytach> actually whs, from what i understand
  98. [16:56:15] <@Shytach> none of the countries who have joined bothered to follow the charter as it is written, so why should we
  99. [16:56:15] <Ronisu> Don_Croata We should follow the rules or have the alliance change them. What happens if a rule keeper becomes SG and discovers we are illegitimate, that could put the country at great risk
  100. [16:56:18] <~Don_Croata> I will fix the charter now
  101. [16:56:28] <~Don_Croata> since this isn't what it suppose to be there
  102. [16:56:42] <~Don_Croata> thank you for the notice
  103. [16:56:54] <@Sluagh> Ronisu: the game does not follow written rules - they are mere guidelines
  104. [16:57:13] <@Sluagh> alliances are founded on more and mean more than a charter
  105. [16:57:36] <Ronisu> That seems a bit suspect and shakey when a guy of an applicant country can go in and edit the rules. The Organizational Manager in me is legitimately laughing and crying right now
  106. [16:57:39] <AaronMDaniels> Yo, sorry mass message alert: http://www.erepublik.com/en/article/-wrp4congress-the-grand-return-2594137/1/20
  107. [16:57:52] AaronMDaniels [[email protected]] has been kicked from #irisharmy by Sluagh [[email protected]]: go away
  108. [16:58:20] <@Shytach> so basically, the alliance charter is like our constitution was: it's there but following it would take extra time so screw it, we'll do what we want
  109. [16:58:29] <~Don_Croata> yes
  110. [16:58:35] <~Don_Croata> that's what serious countries are doing
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  112. [16:58:55] <~Don_Croata> charter is a guideline, with many exceptions being done
  113. [16:58:55] <~Don_Croata> if the exceptions are better for something
  114. [16:58:56] <Ronisu> Seems like a legitimate enough organization, XD
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  116. [16:59:12] <@Sluagh> Ronisu: the game isn't like it was when you first played
  117. [16:59:21] <~Don_Croata> who the hell would ever want to have a congress vote to entry when you can only have a referendum which is a direct democracy?
  118. [16:59:23] <@Sluagh> its military focused, faster
  119. [16:59:28] <whs_> sorry Shy I missed what you said
  120. [16:59:32] <Ronisu> That is why you write a clause permitting exceptions, rather than scrapping the document when it becomes inconvenient
  121. [16:59:44] <@Shytach> and then have people bitch about how few people bother to vote in a referendum?
  122. [16:59:57] <@Shytach> cuz you know damn well someone would throw a fit over the low vote numbers
  123. [16:59:59] whs [[email protected]] has quit IRC: Ping timeout: 240 seconds
  124. [16:59:59] <RTK> what is the full url to get to the irish army?
  125. [17:00:01] <whs_> before that
  126. [17:00:03] whs_ [[email protected]] is now known as whs
  127. [17:00:25] <@Shytach> http://prntscr.com/awed0p @ whs
  128. [17:00:32] <@Sluagh> http://chat.mibbit.com/?channel=%23irisharmy&server=irc.rizon.net
  129. [17:00:37] <~Don_Croata> (4) The trial member should hold a referendum on joining as a member state. It should get the approval of at least 66% of the votes in order to join.
  130. [17:00:38] <~Don_Croata> (5) The trial member should recieve support of their congress with the approval of 66% of the voting congressmens if holding a referendum isn’t possible.
  131. [17:00:42] <~Don_Croata> there, made it more clear :)
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